💣┇weapons-gadgets

[thorny basin]

current light is painful anyway. Just play Medium if you shoot good/support player or play Heavy if you want to have a chance to make mistakes and survive more

[compact linden]

found a fix for the aps xp issue - just get 3 goo gun heavies

[manic narwhal]

Medium is a team player, while light is a flanker

[worn flicker]

Sadface for FCAR right now. Was fine the way it was.

[manic narwhal]

No

[soft shale]

I've reached close to 30K assist score in powershift once, and thought it was already crazy. Now this is on a whole other level ahah.

[soft shale]

No it wasn't. Too good in all situations with too little downsides.

[upper quail]

MOREEEE

[trail raven]

get gud bruh

[torn mantle]

At actually deals more damage / mag (550 compared to 500), just shoot 3 extra bullets and its the same dmg. Imo its better since you can get more headshots this way

[restive plover]

Times to kill comparable to light weapons on a medium is not fine.

[normal ice]

Raising the cashbox up a floor is a use I haven't considered -- thank you! Also didn't realize the cube could be destroyed. I agree it would be less niche if it was indestructible

[worn flicker]

@soft shale @torn mantle @restive plover First. Weapons don't have to have downsides. FCAR was the Mario of weapons. Not the best, but not the worst, just all around. Less of a learning curve. The problem with the 3 exra bullets is now I have to relearn the cadence for what seems to be no good reason. TTK was not comparable to light weapons by half a second. Anyone have a link to the Weapon stats spreadsheets for 2.6.0? Any fans made one of those yet?

[fleet brook]

Grenade launcher isn't that annoying and just hit your shots

[restive plover]

not the best
Lol
Lmao, even.

[worn flicker]

YOu think it was the best?

[fleet brook]

@worn flicker

Wait that's 2.5.0 my bad

[restive plover]

#medium-meetup message

[night stratus]

That’s what I‘m saying

[onyx nova]

P90 skin for m11?
Anyone?

(or just a p90 would be awesome)

[past apex]

ppsh would be better

[onyx nova]

Feel like that'd be a medium weapon though

[past apex]

true

[soft shale]

"Just hit your shots" says the GL user who bunny hops around enemies with a weapon that requires close to zero aiming skill.

It's not GOOD, but it's definitely annoying.

[fleet brook]

I don't use the GL

Also yeah hit your shots and get better at aiming

[boreal laurel]

Nah I’ll just stick with riot shield and flamethrower 😎

[soft shale]

I never said you did. But that's typically something they could say.

Also where did I say that I couldn't hit GL users ? Oh right, nowhere. So keep your "get better at aiming" to yourself. That's not the point. GL litteraly shreds Lights in two shots with zero effort as it can be constantly spammed. Find that fair ? Then I wonder why so many people are complaining about the RPG.

[fleet brook]

Here you said you can't hit shots with rifles here

Chill out

[soft shale]

I was impersonating a GL user.

I often saw Mediums switch from rifles to GL when they get steamrolled. It's a no brainer for people who can't aim.

Doesn't mean that they get that many more kills in the end. But they can be terribly annoying. And vaporize Lights with ease.

IMO there's no way to really solve the issue except by making it less spammable. Or have the grenades detonate after a bounce like the Heavy GL.

[sly estuary]

i think they made the right choice to nerf the stun gun cuz it seemed kinda redundant doing the same thing as glitch

but they should probably decrease the cooldown for it signifcantly

[fickle radish]

its already low af

[elder cloud]

new light specialization that hacks enemies internet and makes them disconnect. what do you guys think??!??

or better yet makw glitch grenades actually glitch enemies and gives them extreme lag and rubberbanding

[soft shale]

lol constant rollbacks for 8 seconds

the horror

[vital jacinth]

lowk imagine a v9s skin, but it dosent have the suppressor, and you can call it "virtual extension"

[restive plover]

Make it one of those integrally suppressed type 64s

[long finch]

That would be sick

[trim spire]

pressure makes diamonds... and i love pressure

whats up brother

[rapid ledge]

What is the best gadget for medium?

[hasty pivot]

Frags,jump pad,aps,ziplines(defib should always be a must jump pad too so you can get out of a fight or get to higher places/put on the side of the wall next to stairs so ppl can't follow)
So rlly depends do you want more movement and the ability to rotate fast deny projectiles to hold an area or extra damage/get ppl in places you can't shoot

[warped quest]

healing beem

[rapid ledge]

Healing been

Healing beans

[open pagoda]

What's everyone opinion on APS Turret having no changes in the Patch Notes?

[restive plover]

Outside of power shift it's perfectly fine.

[soft shale]

It's a very useful gadget that any team should at least have in reserve. Being immobile, fragile and having a narrow radius, it's far from being broken/OP and the only ones who will ever really complain are people who main grenade launchers.

[restive plover]

Cl-40 players when they have to actually think about where they shoot: 😭

[hallow leaf]

that gun shouldnt be as rewarding as it as with as little skill it requires

[tired rapids]

yeah because they can still break aps if the hit the edge of the radius

[sour jewel]

Dagger is absolutely unusable, the backstab hitbox is inconsistent and with the changes to footstep audio you really can't sneak up on people other than the most oblivious bots.

It was definitely fun when it worked but for the most part it just feels terrible.

[fleet brook]

I swear no game can get a back stab weapon right

Ever since tf2 back stab mechanics have been jank

[teal dagger]

HOW CL40 GOT 110 IN A SHOOT

[restive plover]

A direct hit.

[teal dagger]

i mean it is too much

light have no way to fight with a cl40

it dont even need to aim

[lunar crater]

Does any have updated dps charts here

[teal dagger]

just 2 click and an easy kill is got

[restive plover]

That's the fault of the massive splash damage. 82 max splash and a direct only does 28 more.

It should do big damage on directs, but the proportions should be changed around.

[fresh quarry]

If the devs are gonna do what they’ve done with the fcar then I think it should be even more viable at range to actually make it useful

[teal dagger]

yes a direct is hard but now its todally a noob gun

[restive plover]

But then the aps might actually be a real counter and you have to take that into consideration.

[teal dagger]

just for light cl40 is op

[mellow lodge]

there has been no change in the ranged ttk of the gun

[teal dagger]

i think now fcar is still better than ak

[restive plover]

A little easier maybe but not better anymore.

[teal dagger]

its ez to contol and ttk is a little bit faster

just for me famas is fun but fcar is better

[fresh quarry]

Idk I feel like the fcar has a really boring ttk now and its made me rather just play heavy and use Lewis gun

[desert nest]

lewis

[teal dagger]

fcar is fair now

but fair is not fun(

[mellow lodge]

lewis has always been a problem though

[teal dagger]

lewis is hard to contol fcar should be hard to contol and got a fast ttk

[mellow lodge]

recoil as a restriction is always cringe though

[fresh quarry]

Mediums weapons are all only for support now tho except the shotgun

[teal dagger]

HOW fcar is still good

[idle sky]

yah. medium still has some pretty good guns

[teal dagger]

look quickcash it always be 8med and 2light or heavy

[mellow lodge]

damn you lucky if those are your games

i'm normally the only light in quick cash

[fresh quarry]

It’s good but just plays boring and forces you to be less aggressive I think

[idle sky]

I can see that

[fresh quarry]

The 20 mag made it cool

[teal dagger]

yes the hole game is being boring

[mellow lodge]

i think heavy rpg needs a nerf and then meta might change

or make the new weapons op as shit and all the bad weapons better

honestly i just want the devs to go schizo with the patch notes

[idle sky]

light and heavy seem to be the only classes that can rly play aggressively. Medium is kinda more on the lines of holding the fort, even though there rarely is a fort to hold

quickcash does make more use of medium, but you could still just use heavy and get the defensive and offensive side

[mellow lodge]

like do some wild shit and make a poll on if people like it or not

[idle sky]

it's not medium is bad. it's just that there is almost always a better option if ur playing for wins or kd

[mellow lodge]

fcar nerf was too much, heavy is too oppressive

[mellow lodge]

are you playing the same game as us?

[idle sky]

I'm on the discord, so I think so

[mellow lodge]

meta no matter the gamode is some form of HHM MMH MMM

[idle sky]

Just speaking from personal experience. Would u rather use the fcar, or the lewis gun? Heavy gives more defensive options than medium, whilst being better at offense. And light is just an asshole. Medium has good weapons, but in terms of gadgets, it isn't really that worth it. Especially because other classes have weapons that are just as good, if not better

Maybe I've just been playing in the wrong servers tho

[fresh quarry]

Yup

[mellow lodge]

ok did i just read you say medium doesn't have worthwhile gadgets?

[fresh quarry]

Fcar would challenge Lewis gun at mid range if u hit ur shots now not so much

[mellow lodge]

fcar ranged ttk didn't change

[idle sky]

I didn't say they weren't worthwhile. There are just better options of ur going for kd or wins

[mellow lodge]

then why wdoes the meta involve so much medium? wanna know why? defib & healbeam

[fresh quarry]

Ya that’s basically all ur used for

[idle sky]

I currently am obsessed with medium cos of the shotgun and turret. It's still good. Just not as good as some others

[mellow lodge]

light is the most useless class if you going for wins

and if you going for kd it's still the most useless

[idle sky]

And the mass majority of players I see are lights and heavys

[mellow lodge]

lmao no

wait we talking casual?

[fresh quarry]

To be fair I think light is more useful now than medium if ur not playing shotgun

[mellow lodge]

LMAO FUCK NO 😂

[fresh quarry]

Ye if u want kills

[mellow lodge]

oh than yeah sure

[fresh quarry]

Obv every team needs a medium

[mellow lodge]

i assume wins because normally people want wins

[fresh quarry]

But ur just only support rlly

[mellow lodge]

thats mainly because kills don't mean shit in this game unless it's a squad wipe

[idle sky]

oh, idc about wins. I just have fun shooting things

[mellow lodge]

oh

[sharp arch]

Lmao

[potent ledge]

Tbh I meme around 70% of the time😂

[idle sky]

playing the only way we know how

[wise briar]

I dont really understand the falloff damage multiplier for the Fcar. Does the damage gets lesser if you're hitting someone far away or is it the other way around?

[tired rapids]

ofc lesser. logically that makes sense

[wise briar]

Alright just wanted to make sure

Been hearing people calling it nerf, thats what confuses me

[tired rapids]

its because damage per bullet went down but mag size went up

[potent ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-finals-hop-on-the-finals-the-finals-game-gif-6820914501215585161

[wise briar]

Idk if the AK is better since the ammo count and damage is higher

[tired rapids]

oh wait really akm now has higher damage per bullet now ?

[wise briar]

Not really, it remained the same as before

[tired rapids]

ah ok. well I meant like in comparison to the fcar

[wise briar]

Yeah i cant really tell if its better or the same lol

[tired rapids]

ok looked at stats but fcar is just barely better than akm in terms of damage per bullet

[wise briar]

Can the Fcar kill a Heavy full clip like the Ak tho?

[tired rapids]

yeah both can

but you do have to land more shots

[wise briar]

But i have to get most of the headshots right?

[tired rapids]

nah you can get away with all body I believe now since bigger mag size

previously if you missed like one or two bullets no kill

[wise briar]

Nice. That does sound better

[idle raptor]

E

[high storm]

I would love to change the expressions for intro and outro separately.
I know it's more code, more time, but I like the idea of different ones 🙂

[foggy snow]

With the FCAR, it takes 16 body shots to kill a Heavy before reloading, meaning that you'd need at least 64% accuracy at close-to-mid-range

not too hard on such a large target

[eager hollow]

healbeam fcar defib mine and jump pad best loadout change my mind

[mellow lodge]

no there very much is a best loadout thats why games have a meta

[wise briar]

Please do explain further

[mellow lodge]

wdym?

well medium for example, it's best gun is fcar or model, best spec is heal beam, and best gadgets are defib, jump pad and zip/other

invis/dash, xp, gateway, vanish, glitch probably

no

[wise briar]

😑

why do i even bother

[mellow lodge]

there are guns that are objectively better than others

good luck winning a fight when 2 mediums are both healing a heavy

[torn mantle]

Grenades?

[mellow lodge]

they are mediums, one will have aps if they are 3 stacking

[torn mantle]

Fair enough

[mellow lodge]

i like aps when it isn't used by a team just bunkering in a corner 😭

[torn mantle]

True

[sleek pond]

just separate them and there is alot of ways to do that by using goo , demat , breach nades . ofc this is hard to do when you are solo against a probably coordinated team .

[torn mantle]

I think you should be able to hold the alt attack on throwing knives the same way you do for sword.

[mellow lodge]

should be able to hold dagger as well

[torn mantle]

Yeah

[high storm]

Agreed. Let us hold the attack for all melee weapons!

[copper sinew]

Honestly dagger feels so sluggish to use both the left click and right click, they could do with getting rolled out faster, maybe with more frames after the hit registers if they wanted to keep the same overall length of the attack, but I think they both could just be overall faster.

Same with knives right click, but with how much practice you need with them for how little reward they actually provide I could see another buff to them, maybe more velocity, so they are easier to hit with and they go further.

[high storm]

I still love throwing knives and when I don't have tasks to do I usually play.
I find that up close they seem ok, but once they are thrown for distance their effectiveness drops off. Like even a pistol you can pop pretty much across the map. But knives fizzle and spiral out 😕

[buoyant spade]

We appreciate feedback but let's keep it in the relevant channel please! #👂┇game-feedback or directly to the team https://id.embark.games/support

[mellow lodge]

any word on the glitch grenade bug? 🥺

[buoyant spade]

nothing to share But we have reports to investigate!

[mellow lodge]

😭 thanks for responding at least

i feel like whenever i see patch notes light is worse due to a bug 😢

[high storm]

We just gotta work harder to keep being that thorn in everyone's side every match haha

[tacit zinc]

Ok sorry thx

[manic narwhal]

Anybody got the head clogger skin from the tape time set for the ak? I wanna see gameplay before I buy it or not. Same with the techno honeycomb and the catacomb party skins.

[zinc kiln]

What do you think is better? lewis gun or sa1216 - i have way more experience with the lewis but I'm leaning more towards the shotgun

[manic narwhal]

Th shotgun is high burst damage but the Lewis has more sustained damage + range. I say that if you're playing on a more open map like Vegas or sys$horizon then use the Lewis, but if you're on more claustrophobic maps like skyway or Monaco then use the sa1216

[zinc kiln]

Ok, will try both in a few ranked games and see how it goes

[mellow lodge]

you solo or with team mates?

[zinc kiln]

Solo but I just cooked In that first round

Super fun to use and makes me use my rpg more

Curent loadout is charge & slam, sa1216, rpg and explosive mine

[half kernel]

Make AKM great again

[copper sinew]

bruh it is like the best medium gun right now, at least for me

[little fern]

HAMMER

🔨🔨🔨🔨🔨🔨

🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠

[sand monolith]

What bug

[mellow lodge]

the glitchs will just not break shield like 50% of the time

[sand monolith]

Weird I haven’t had that happen once this patch

I believe u obv but idk maybe I’m lucky or something

[mellow lodge]

happened like 5 times in a row for me

[sand monolith]

time to play light all day gg

[sand monolith]

Weapon balance suggestions

FAMAS: buff range (10m min and max) Reasoning: this gun needs something to stand out from the other rifles but its long range playstyle isn’t distinct enough. A raw DPS or ttk buff would turn this into the FCAR 2.0 so this buff is the best option to make it more distinct in it’s strengths

REVOLVER: buff range (10m min and max) Reasoning: why does this drop off at 18m 😭

MODEL 1887: increase the dispersion of the 4 pellets in the middle of the shot slightly so that the shotgun is less effective against light at range

Lh1: nerf fire rate by 50%. Buff damage from 49 to 50. Lower min damage fall off to 50m and max to 80m. Reasoning: this gun will literally kill the game if light ever becomes just as viable as the other classes. Nerf this preemptively or else you will see the worst meta since nukes.

Xp-54, 5% fire rate nerf. Reasoning: the XP is a generalist weapon that also happens to be just as good as the other light weapons in their respective niches. Those weapons aren’t even bad either, the XP is just too strong. A slight adjustment like this would help the other weapons stand out as being more worth it. The Lewis gun and rpg nerfs at the end of this giant suggestion will more than make up for these necessary light nerfs

93R: give it a drum mag, if damage stats are going to be significantly worse, allow it to sustain that lower damage for much longer. 60 round mag.

Lewis gun: buff range (+10m min and max) nerf fire rate by 20%. Reasoning: there is no reason why the long range alternative to the m60 should beat both the M60 and the SA1216 at close range, these changes will encourage users to play to the strengths of the weapon and give it a weakness close up

RPG: nerf damage to 80, remove aoe fall off, reduce cooldown by 20s. This would encourage using it for team splash damage instead of being a “fuck you” button for lights. The cooldown buff would also make it less punishing to use for destruction

[copper sinew]

didn't you post that in the game feedback already?

[sand monolith]

Yes once there for devs, once here to start conversation and hear other players feedback

[copper sinew]

fair enough

[sand monolith]

Cause 30m slow mode is awful

[copper sinew]

I like the idea of making the lewis gun the longer range weapon, kinda do to it and m60 what they did with fcar and akm

[sand monolith]

Yeah it’s kind of insane how the Lewis gun has longer range than the m60 while also killing faster up close. Idk what their reasoning was

[copper sinew]

I do think that RPG is used so much at this point that the only real way (and also pretty sensible way to keep it as iconic) to change it is moving it to be a specialization rather than a gadget. After that just nerf it's damage to like 100, give it 2 charges, nerf the reload time a bit so it is not worth using both of them while fighting the same person and drop the damage scaling with the distance from the explosion, maybe decrease the cooldown to like 30s per charge instead of 45s

[sand monolith]

I wouldn’t mind seeing it as a specialization tbh

If they didn’t already sell skins for it I would have just liked to see it completely removed and replaced by the MGL in the gadget slot

[restive plover]

Oh wait, nevermind.

[copper sinew]

I do think we overall need some more gadgets for all contestants to increase the variety in loadouts, but there is only so much you could do without it getting pretty crazy or running out of ideas, and especially if the RPG got moved to the spec slot, heavy would need a new gadget and the other two classes would need new specs to keep things balanced.

I would also like to see some healing options for other classes and maybe an overall nerf to the healing beam to not induce a healing overload in the game while also taking off some pressure from the medium as the sole healing class right now.

It might impact the class identities negatively tho, but I think creating a more balanced spread of healing would outweight the negaives of that.

[sand monolith]

I think the main issue with gadget variety right now is that medium and heavy have 2 gadgets that are absolute must picks

With light you can actually just use a ton of stuff and it feels great. Medium and heavy basically just have 1 gadget slot

If u don’t bring dome shield, rpg, defib, or jump pad into ranked then you just lose

[copper sinew]

eh, one jump pad per team is enough and my friend often brings one, which I almost never use anyway. Usually end up not running it and managing on just parkour alone. Basically only swap it in from reserve on suspended structures, up, down, left, right and sometimes on seul just coz it is seul.

Dome Shield feels kinda weak after all the health nerfs (and the glitch buff recently) and I wouldn't call it a must have, but having either it or barricade does feel really good.

RPG and Defib are somewhat problematic with the frequency they are used, but I think Defib specifically isn't overtuned the problem is just teams that ran 3 of them, which could be phased out by giving players something like an internal cooldown of how often they can be revived with it or just buffing other gadgets/bringing in new interesting ones.

[sand monolith]

Defib is honestly fine now that medium has the lowest DPS of the 3 classes

Honestly medium just doesn’t have that much. So yeah I’d agree with that more gadgets would help

[vague monolith]

I feel like the RPG is always going to be a must pick no matter what you do to it, because it's instant and works at a range. If you run out of ammo on your primary, you're not going to finish them off with a grenade in as many scenarios as the rpg. C4 can also destroy terrain, but it's not instant and the range is significantly worse. The gadget is just extremely versatile. I'd argue it's not really a problem since it's fun to use and dynamic

[copper sinew]

yeah that is why moving it to a spec would be ideal, because it would force you to pick between that and other really good abilities like mesh shield and charge'n'slam

[vague monolith]

I don't really know what problem is being addressed by doing that

[sand monolith]

It wouldn’t be a must pick if it took a more important slot

Plenty of people would take mesh and charge over rpg

[vague monolith]

If anything you would have to BUFF the rpg to make it worth giving up any of the specializations which would make it more annoying than it was when it could one shot lights

[copper sinew]

you can buff things in different ways

[naive flume]

I wish the v9s had a bit better range, I feel like anything over 8 meters does half damage

[vague monolith]

If you reduce the cool down it would be annoyingly easy to spam, if you upped the damage it would be an annoying one shot tool, if you increased the AoE it would be fairly mindless to use ect.

[copper sinew]

2 chanrges, ez

[naive flume]

There's no real reason to use it because the mp5 is just better in terms of range and it has incredibly easy recoil, that and the lh-1 is kinda crazy, sometimes

[vague monolith]

2 charges would make it insane, you could consistently wipe most team comps, and it would make the APS a must pick instead of just a good pick. I understand you don't mean two shots in one, but the reason for the cool down is so you can't just clear an entire area with one reload. That would be stronger than when nukes were relevant

[naive flume]

I think the RPG should be removed but at the same time I have absolutely no idea what should take it's place because I'm dumb

[copper sinew]

even if it had 2 charges you would probably get killed before you reload the thing and if not, they could just increase the relaod time and it having 2 charges would allow devs to adjust the damage to like 100 and it wouldn't feel as bad as if it had only 1 charge and got nerfed.

[vague monolith]

I think the best part of the RPG is the destruction, I would be okay with two charges and a severe damage reduction, even zero damage, but I don't think it should ever go on the specialization slot

[eager hollow]

its so sad that the 2 mines cant destroy buildings anymore

[opaque summit]

KATANA SKIN EVENT

MAKE THE ANIMATIONS ON THE SKIN DIFFERENT SO LIKE YOU DO Vertical slash with a dash for the secondary fire and you can do a longer one for the heavy as skin for the hammer as heavy’s secondary fire is a vertical slam

Plus you gave us a sharingan with the master circuit

[covert ether]

Can we get 2 charges for the data reshaper please🙏😁

[copper sinew]

So when do we get a skin for M11 that is called sub-machine gun and it is just a sub sandwitch?

[river galleon]

I want a sticky grenade launcher like TF2 in the finals that would be sick

[quick gate]

I think a revive grenade would be cool. Maybe for the light or heavy class. So instead of your teammate spawning however far away, you just throw the grenade down and respawns them instantly.

[sand monolith]

@faint holly Please look at the design of the tank class in literally every objective/class based team shooter. If you look close enough you might understand how wrong you are

[faint holly]

Just use your brain and maybe realise a game where the tankiest class has 3 forms of damage mitigation and the best burst damage in the game doesn't need to be uncontested TTK wise in order to dominate, even with the FCAR being able to compete with the lewis ( which btw the lewis still won in a straight up fight ) the meta was insanely tilted towards HHM, now there's no reason to run anything but HHM since light is a joke and medium literally cannot compete in a straight up fight. I know you're a heavy main and you're fine with your class being OP but maybe pull your head out of your *** and realise its not healthy for the game, and that's even before we take into account the SA12 which literally beats everything close range

[fickle radish]

well, on most games highest hp class isnt also the highest dmg class

[sand monolith]

I have mained light since the first closed beta but I still play all the classes. I literally only advocated for heavy nerfs in my message but sure. I’m not arguing with someone who unironically thinks that the support class should be able to walk up to the tank class and win a 1v1

It’s actually baffling that the “lower hp should mean always higher damage” trend caught on

[fickle radish]

never said that

i said that highest hp is never the highest dmg on most games with classes

[faint holly]

Guess what medium has never been able to win a straight 1v1 against a Heavy of equal skill, it literally has never been the case. If you were ever caught in a bad fight you literally just had to pull out one of your 3 form of shields to easily pull out

[sand monolith]

And I don’t want heavy to be highest damage. It shouldn’t be

[fickle radish]

the highest dmg are the mid hp classes most of the times

[faint holly]

The TTK of the lewis gun has always beaten the FCAR

[sand monolith]

And medium is reserved for support in this game

[faint holly]

and that's without taking the rpg into account

[fickle radish]

and light classes are just glass cannons, high dmg for little time, high cooldowns, high mobility ecc. Probably this is why lights are not working well on the finals

[sand monolith]

except for… fcar beat heavy at range… like I’ve been saying…

[faint holly]

Heavy has 3 shields on top of having the biggest HP pool to easily disengage range is a non-issue

[sand monolith]

Now it doesn’t because the Lewis gun is completely overtuned and needs to be nerfed

[sand monolith]

It’s the slowest class in the game and both other classes have movement abilities to chase?

Heavy is the worst class at leaving a fight

[faint holly]

Brother before the nerf you had 1.5 seconds as a heavy to react to a fcar beaming you

[sand monolith]

Good!!

[faint holly]

if you couldn't do anything you're literally restarted

[sand monolith]

So do you think heavy should have the lowest dps

[faint holly]

nah it should have TTKs comparable to the other classes

[sand monolith]

What about range

[faint holly]

the lewis gun/fcar balance was fine the light class needed to be buffed

[sand monolith]

No god no

Light was the only class with a proper trade off when picking it. Now medium has one too

[fickle radish]

not at range, that is the case you were talking about

[sand monolith]

Classes and weapons should have trade offs and weaknesses

[faint holly]

All the light class needed was their gun to be buffed and the balanced would've been fine

[sand monolith]

No it wouldn’t the best gun on light still needs to be nerfed

[faint holly]

but we can't have that because of the quick play mains

Cap the light class is literally inting in ranked

[fickle radish]

light weapons are more than fine atm

[sand monolith]

Light is bad because of 2 things

[torn mantle]

Petition to make dagger and knives be able to hold alt attack like sword

[sand monolith]

Lewis gun and rpg make light unusable

[torn mantle]

Rpg more then lewis

[sand monolith]

Once those are nerfed light will be playable completely fine

And if the lh1 isn’t nerfed in the same patch, we will see the worst meta since nukes and recon

[torn mantle]

Tbh what annoys me a lot is that some heavy players actually just see lights as just an rpg charge

[fickle radish]

light needs a rework, even nerfing rpg light would still be useless compared to HHM or MMH comps

[sand monolith]

Yes because the rpg is terrible designed and that’s the best way to use it

[sand monolith]

HHM would be far from meta if rpg and Lewis got nerfed

[torn mantle]

Not 100% useless, Ive won a tournament as medium playing with 2 lights agaisnt MMH, but definitly at a disadvantage

[sand monolith]

RPG and Lewis hard carry heavy to be able to do all kinds of shit it just shouldn’t be able to do

[fickle radish]

man if you won once that proves anything. Atm light is worse at everything compared to medium and heavy. The only useful thing that light has is utility but cant help anyway cause of low hp

[sand monolith]

If they were nerfed, HHM would lose hard to glitch lights

LMH would likely be meta if rpg and Lewis were nerfed

[fickle radish]

unless heavy gets nerfed to the ground i dont think that lights would be viable

[sand monolith]

RPG specifically yeah

Light has tools and range to deal with everything on heavy besides rpg

The glitch buff was amazing for the matchup because you can punish the heavy for shield spamming now

[fickle radish]

glitch buff was perfect to help light, but even with a rpg nerf i still think that MMH would be better than MML or MHL

[torn mantle]

Fair

[fickle radish]

or even HHM

[sand monolith]

HHL is a gigantic sleeper comp rn already idk

[torn mantle]

Tbh rpg could straight up get removed honestly

[fickle radish]

I'm not saying that light would be still useless, it would be viable for sure, but still the worse option

[torn mantle]

I mean only gadgets that do damage are grenades which require some sort of planning as they dont explode instantly (except pyro which doesnt do as much dmg) and then theres a literal rocketlauncher

[heavy swan]

should all weapons have slower ttk or fast ttk? slower ttk tests the movement skill and tracking while fast ttk requires raw aim skill and usually more satisfying. however since the game has long respawn, i think slower ttk suits better as players would be engaging in combat longer than waiting for respawn. what are your thoughts on this?

[fickle radish]

rpg is fine if all the other heavy dmg output gets nerfed

[sand monolith]

Show ttk because it encourages teamplay

[fickle radish]

slower definetly

[sand monolith]

Which shouldn’t be the case because rpg would still be a must pick gadget

I think if we see Lewis and rpg nerfed next patch then the meta will definitely change

[fickle radish]

yes but i'm fine with it

[sand monolith]

Here’s a video from season 1 that is still accurate to this day about the topic https://youtu.be/JY7Eyhkh2yA?si=OhClNwxj05oUI15e

[fickle radish]

there are must picks also on other classes. Tbh i would add permanent gadgets for every class like defib on medium, rpg on heavy (on this case heavily nerfed) and c4 on light (or something else i dont play light that much)

i see random youtuber and impact font, i dont open the video lol

[fickle radish]

i really hope that this guy is really playing stretched cause of a potato pc

[regal wyvern]

one thing i want

scopes

[fleet brook]

Limiting heavies destruction options isn't fun nor is the way

This game was sold on destruction and now it's so mediocre compared to beta and just the first patch

[regal wyvern]

if they have some scopes for some weapons, doesnt make sense that others dont, either have all weapons with scopes or none besides sniper

lh1 with a scope 🗿

[torn mantle]

Tbh itd be fun if rpg's stricture damage was buffed

Just nerf the normal dmg

[austere kayak]

Selectable sites would be huge

[fickle radish]

no

[regal wyvern]

yes

[sand monolith]

I’m fine with the way sights work rn

[fickle radish]

never get why they added a scope on fcar. And scope on guns only means more campers on roofs doing nothing but pissing off everyone

[regal wyvern]

camping is detrimental so let them do it

[fickle radish]

i would also remove the sniper tbh or at least give it a shorter scope

[fleet brook]

It would be bad but funny

Apex style before you pickup scopes

Snipers have irons with just increased zooms

[fickle radish]

camping is useless rather than annoying as fuck, so no reason to incentive it

[regal wyvern]

camping is only viable in t attack and power shift

either this or give iron sights an update cause so many of them suck ass

[torn mantle]

Tbh shorter scope sniper is the proper thing to do rather then removong it

[fickle radish]

so why scopes on a game that has only short range fights? who would take scopes? people who wants to camp and be useless for the whole match. And adding reflex sights just to make someone happy is just a waste of time imo

[fickle radish]

yeah totally, also cause after the ton of skins that sniper got its impossible to remove it

[regal wyvern]

i didnt mean give an acog to the ak or sumn. literally just want smoother ads. like the new weapons minus the heavy shotty have the worst iron sights ever

[torn mantle]

Tbh of sniper had a shorter scope it might actually become a proper weapon for short-mid range combat and not a camping tool

[regal wyvern]

tbh i like the way the heavy shotty aims like halo sortof, idk tho kinda takes the skill out of it

like if it wasnt slug then the ads on new shotty would be op

[fickle radish]

I just think that its not worth for the devs adding something that almost changes nothing (talking about short scopes like reflex, holo ecc), it's not even such a huge quality of life thing

[fickle radish]

It would actually become useful at something instead of being the Tik tok gamer gun

[regal wyvern]

more weapon customization isnt bad, probably brings more love to the game than anything

[torn mantle]

Ikr

[fickle radish]

adding literally a couple of scopes cause you dont like iron sight cant be considered weapon customization lol

[regal wyvern]

obviously im not the one creating said scopes. if the devs feel like doing something akin to that then im all here for it, just sayin

[fleet brook]

Dematerializer is way better than c4

[regal wyvern]

can the dematerializer take down the hanging buildings?

[fleet brook]

Demat is more useful and exact

Also has more charges

[restive plover]

If you're in range to use either of those you don't need to take it down.

[regal wyvern]

c4 definitely needs more building destruction dmg

[regal wyvern]

im just asking if it can

[restive plover]

This is true. That or a shorter cool down.

Maybe both.

[regal wyvern]

nukes were fair and balanced

embed fail

[fickle radish]

depends, if you want full stealth go cloak + smoke + vanish bomb

a bit overkill tbh

[primal atlas]

Were smoke grenades ever buffed at some point?

[hearty cloak]

I feel like the pace of the game makes smokes kinda useless

[primal atlas]

could say that yea

[fickle radish]

they are kinda good for running away or to regen hp, but there are better gadgets so its not worth taking smokes

[torn mantle]

Like gas

[fleet brook]

They also stop fire

Smoke stops fire

Gas stops smoke

Fire stops gas

[fickle radish]

gas nade still decent, but sadly not as good as before. With medium i had to switch to frags after the nerf

grapple is the exact opposite of stealth, also the worse spec of the class lol

[primal atlas]

Whaaa I didnt know

[restive plover]

If mobility is your thing use dash.

[fleet brook]

Pretty decent

[torn mantle]

Rock paper gas grenade

[copper sinew]

do the smokes actually hide your health bar when you get shot at through them or is it still visable?

[fickle radish]

hide

even after being tagged

[vague monolith]

Across the board full auto weapons are overtuned imo

[copper sinew]

oh they are better than I thought, they are still kinda see-through on some graphic settings so I guess that could use some improvements and they could cover a larger area or last longer coz they just seems to come and go really fast

[vague monolith]

How do the balance changes play out this patch? I'm out of town rn and can't play

[fleet brook]

Rock paper scissors Geneva style

[fickle radish]

fine for me except a couple of things
people still complaining

[copper sinew]

rather positive I would say Fcar still seems good to use, but it doesn't feel bad if you want to use the Akm now, Barricade change was unexpected but welcomed and I can finally see invis players on my graphic settings, just like my friends on other settings

[sullen tree]

I think it's more an issue with all the other weapons being undertuned

[coarse escarp]

What is the best guns for meduim

[copper sinew]

Yeah after the fcar adjust I was just happy for the akm, but I started looking at other numbers and realized that a lot of weapon just straight up have lower dps than really anything that is being used right now.

Revy and medium shotgun are fine, because revy has head shots that are more powerful than ars' and shotgun is easier to hit with even when you do wild shit to dodge, but the grenade launchers, KS-23 an especially the throwing knives just can't compare in terms of dps so they will pretty much always loose.

[iron prism]

I think - FCAR

[sullen tree]

Well revy has actually atrocious falloff, which forces use at more close midrange. Where it really shouldn't be.

They should adjust that IMO. Or tweak hipfire damage and add fanning, which would be epic

[sullen tree]

Even medium GL, (though super overtuned against lights) is basically useless against medium and heavy

[coarse escarp]

They should add a more sight weapon in the game

[copper sinew]

Yeah I feel like it could have one more bullet and reverted the self damage explosive nerf and it would be in a great spot

[sullen tree]

I think it should have damage nerfed, firespeed increased, and mag size doubled.

Then it also adds in tech to use it as a mortar, which is cool

[copper sinew]

that could be good too, it does feel kinda bad to shoot with how slow it fires right now so I would welcome the firespeed increase

[sullen tree]

Ye, exactly.

Plus, it would make it much less cancerous for lights to fight

[arctic fog]

I can't tell you how many times I've walked into a building and gotten one shot by a cl-40 😔

[sullen tree]

Ye, it sucks.

You can go to the practice range and shoot it.

Full mag direct hits on heavy to kill (or 3 direct 1 point blank)

Medium is 2 direct 1 point blank.

Light is just 2 shot within the AOE, lmao.

It's genuinely awful.

[low portal]

I love me some cl-40

[digital saddle]

cl-40 broken
the devs: “Let’s fuck stun gun.” (‘wE neEd dAtA’)

[hallow leaf]

Stungun got a well needed nerf and the cl-40 also needs a nerf

[digital saddle]

but not this one.

[restive plover]

Stun did not need a nerf.

[vast kite]

Cloaking device, glitch grenade, vanishing bomb, gateway or other gadget but i prefer gateway.

M11, XP-54, or if you can manage it, V9S. If you want, double barrel shotty works too, but I'd run smoke + thermal with that.

If you want, substitute cloaking device for evasive dash and rely on vanishing bomb for your cloaks, sacrificing stealth in exchange for more survivability in fights and higher movement ability.

V9S is the semi auto one.

[copper sinew]

it did need a nerf, not because it was too powerful, but because it was not healthy for the game. They did probably go overboard with what they did to it, but it is still better

[vast kite]

M11 is, in my opinion, the best weapon Light has, LH1 is tied with M11 as long as you can aim well and deal with the irons, and XP-54 is a close contender, especially at longer ranges.

Errm I think glitch grenades need a nerf, grapple needs a nerf, evasive dash needs a nerf, their movement needs a nerf, their health needs a nerf, all of their guns need to be removed and replaced with a little pillow, and they also should be banned from stealing cashouts (because light is too powerful of course)

Devs thermal vision should make light go blind instead of giving them thermal vision fr

[digital saddle]

though I do not think stun gun needed a nerf, you could nerf it, but not like this. it is now so situational and specific that its utility is too close to nonexistent. if you can use 1 util slot for 1 stungun shot or 2 tracking darts, 2 sonar nades, 2 smokes etc. , how could you use stun gun?

[vast kite]

The snipers on the enemy team make the nerfs look justified, and the snipers on my team make it look like they need to give light a 30% damage buff in terminal attack

[vast kite]

I got stun gun'd while using a dagger build as a joke and I killed the other light. That's how bad it is now

[digital saddle]

exactly

[vast kite]

Ngl I'm trying out medium since it has an ok amount of movement and about 0.0000000000000000001% of the nerfs

I miss my evasive dash though...

That's where the 1 came from

FCAR isn't actually that bad right now, it's basically just the same as the AKM with a 40ms difference in how fast you kill on 100% headshots, but I'm using model 1887 anyways since I bought the dough wrangler skin

I don't play ranked, and it probably shows in my takes on stuff.

Casual seems more fun anyways. Everyone says ranked is just dome shield hell and healing spam anyways.

[naive flume]

dude is it just me or was the m-11 so much better in open beta

[vast kite]

I got 4 cheaters in a row in Quick Cash once and I almost quit the game afterwards, thank god I haven't seen a cheater (at least I don't think) since.

At least I think they were cheating, cause they were all heavies lasering me with the Lewis Gun and M60 from a ridiculous distance 🤷‍♂️

NA

I dunno if closet cheaters have gotten that prevalent yet, so far it looks like everyone's semi rage cheating

at least from the clips I've seen and the few games I've had with cheaters.

Model 1887 with dough wrangler gives me some sort of divine buff, try it out fr

[copper sinew]

I was playing a game today where in the second round everything seemed normal, but in the final one player on the enemy team suddenly started going sicko mode with light and LH1 and ended the game 12/0, frequently knew where we were before we started attacking them even tho we were hiding, not making a sound and basically carried the game solo, because he was able to kill two of us before we killed him.

Maybe he was just a God and we suddenly started playing really bad because of frustration but he was in like plat 2 and I have seen worse diamonds than him so it was really bizzare.

[vast kite]

Isn't a god, just a delusional dumbass that's hacking. Either that, or some youtube hotshot who made a new account and is on his "LH1 TO DIAMOND 500 SUBSCRIBER STREAM" that's been going on for 13 hours.

[smoky ruin]

Am I the only one who thinks snipers are absolutely unbalanced? Hitscan, no damage falloff, 1-hit. People just sit in their spawn across the map and snipe all match

[dire dragon]

solution: make it projectile so they have to lead it slightly at longer distances

[digital saddle]

no. lesser scope instead = draws in light players to the objective whilst the gun still being viable

[dire dragon]

average call of duty sniper

[digital saddle]

*titanfall flanker 🏁

[sullen tree]

It only 1-hits lights

[naive flume]

they gotta do something about the 93-r, it has no use at all.
xp-54 is easier to control, and the best gun in the lights arsenal pretty much.
m-11 is kinda mid, but has a slightly, barely higher ttk than the xp-54.
the v9s is, well i mean its ok, but still drastically better than this thing, seeing as it does more damage, and has 1 less bullet per mag than the 93-r
and the lh-1, in most scenarios, is a better version of the v9s

[still summit]

Heavy Gadget: Javelin
A throwable that deals massive damage on direct hit and goes through walls halving the damage if it goes through a wall or contestant
This will give heavy more utility and control over the destruction without self damage and damage output to opponents further away

[mellow lodge]

so another rpg?

[still summit]

Glitch Trap Rework Concept:
As it stands the glitch trap is a very unique piece of utility with little benefit.
A rework that allows the glitch trap to have an AOE effect similar to gas mines would allow better areal denial and have more of an impact on gameplay. To balance this however the glitch trap once activated would last for around 5 seconds or more and if shot out the effect would cease

[still summit]

Sort of, I had in mind something more like the Flaktura from Halo 5 or Orissa’s ability from overwatch

New arena carriable idea:
There is a carriable for each special effect in the game except the glitch effect. This could be extremely useful as it is very difficult counter a well coordinated setup between the turret, APS, mines and possibly shields, lights and mediums have little to no way of breaching the defenses if an APS can catch any ordinance and mines and turrets deny area/movement. A “barrel” would not be caught by the APS system and allow solo-queuers the ability to breach defenses without a heavy’s destruction.
As for the design of the “barrel” a blue battery might fit the mold

[still summit]

KS-23 Balance:
As it stands I find that the KS-23 or slug shotgun does little to no damage at longer ranges even though it is the hardest ballistic weapon to hit shots at longer ranges. In closer ranged combat it does not have the fire rate to keep up with other weapons DPS even if the player is able to land 3-5 shots before being killed in a 1V1
I feel that it would be beneficial to have a better damage fall off as it is projectile weapon or a change that will make it slightly more forgiving in close quarters as it is a shotgun. Functionally speaking it is built to be Heavy’s most versatile weapon however this is overshadowed by its lackluster performance compared to other weapons.

[fickle holly]

weapo

[strange sail]

N

You forgot a letter

[desert nest]

lewis

[cedar osprey]

Akm medium weapon is goat bro

[hardy slate]

should add gass gun
theres goo and fire

[heavy swan]

how to level up data reshaper?

[idle sky]

Reshape the data

[arctic grove]

no. lesser scope instead = draws in light players to the objective whilst the gun still being viable

[reef vector]

give m11, fcar and xp54 massive buffs

[fickle radish]

lol

[ocean mountain]

[fickle radish]

the guy farming exp

[swift cradle]

Whoever allowed specializations when being stunned was smoking lmfaooo

[polar stump]

was there a third medium specilization before demateralizer?

[fickle radish]

yep, recon sense. Luckly removed on season 2

[mellow lodge]

was wall hacks

[fickle radish]

wallhacks, literally. It worked like cloak on light, you pressed Q and you were able to se everybody through walls and through almost the entire map. The ability lasted a lot and had a pretty fast cooldown like cloak.
Then it was nerfed, range reduced, the usage time was reduced and you got a notification if a player using it spotted you

[polar stump]

ohhh right ty

[copper sinew]

yeah it went from something gamebreaking to a button that did nothing to being removed, devs did say they want to bring it back after a possible rework, but we will have to wait to see if anything comes out of that

[torn mantle]

Are we sure that demat isn't said rework?

[copper sinew]

I mean they are both wall hacks ba dum tsss but I think they said they want to rework them as they added the demat so I doubt it

[fickle radish]

Nope, they explicitly said that they want to rework recon sense after Demat was introduced

[sweet thistle]

Perhaps a syringe rifle / poison dart gun that deals poison(gas) damage

[quiet sundial]

maybe an item like a stim from cod, it would take a couple of seconds and you get an instant 100 hp or somewhere around there

[hot dragon]

gm

[fickle radish]

Maybe not pls

[last solar]

Now that the fcar got nerfed all the unused weapons like the revolver, famas, medium grenade launcher, light burst pistol and heavy grenade launcher really need a buff

[quiet sundial]

famas is fine, with me, i just wish it had a bigger mag

also another random idea, but a one shot gun, one use and can only be used again when you get revived

like a zeus gun (cs)

[last solar]

Too op

[quiet sundial]

could be like a thing in the middle of the map at a random point and whoever gets there first uses it and that's it??

[fickle radish]

On so fast paced game with respawns and revived a thing like that wouldn't impact much on the game

[west shale]

We need the old barricades back, that’s the only thing we need. Running heavy is now just pointless.

Coming from someone who primarily used the Heavy.

1 glitch grande and I am a slow walking target

[fickle radish]

If you needed the head glitch to get kills maybe you should change the way you play

[west shale]

They are messing up the game. It used to be fun. But with all the 100 nerves it’s becoming trash.

[violet cosmos]

heavy is the most broken brainless garbage since the beta, you just win all close range fights through having more health than the enemy

[west shale]

Maybe you guys should change the way you play

[fickle radish]

Cause its kinda the only thing that got removed with the barricade buff

Man abusing a glitch to get kills how it's supposed to be good and fair?

[west shale]

My point is they made the barricade useless

Like literally useless

[violet cosmos]

they did not

[fickle radish]

Barricade is supposed to block, not to allow heavy to shoot easily everybody while exposing only 1/10 of his hitbox

[violet cosmos]

use the goo gun and you get to head glitch again, stupid

[west shale]

Bro I’m gonna go your mother

Goo all over her, stupid

[violet cosmos]

lmao

[west shale]

Toxicity in this chat. Maybe this game should just die

[violet cosmos]

millions must perish

[fickle radish]

Lol you are the one insulting, we just commented chill

[west shale]

Reading is difficult for you I see roborbio

No I was talking about Yoda mom

[fickle radish]

I just commented chill*

[west shale]

Yeaaa right.

[fickle radish]

Can't get why people gets so mad over a game and also over a gadget that was changed a bit lol

[west shale]

Have you been playing this game tho?

Bet you the guy sniping with 3 kills at the end of the game

[fickle radish]

Yep, and I can get kills and win with an heavy even without the head glitched barricade

Lol, you are really mad uh? What happened? you got killed by a light as an heavy and now you think that the world hates you?

[west shale]

I’m not mad. Got a 8kd. I’m just observing and seeing that if this trend keeps going this game will die.

1200 matches btw

So I know what’s up

[fickle radish]

And you are still complaining about a barricade being 30% bigger. After 1200 matches you really think that the whole heavy balance relies on the barricade? Really?

[west shale]

Bro again, reading ain’t it for you roborbio. I can already tell you are like 13 years old

[fickle radish]

Literally you

You said that without the old barricade heavy is pointless

[violet cosmos]

bait used to be believable

[fickle radish]

I hope so

[fleet brook]

The akm is on par / better than the fcar?

[violet cosmos]

I dunno if this is a hot take or not because I see enough people say it unironically idk anymore

I don't agree with them, but I certainly see that said more often than heavy being unironically bad...

So I guess you win lol

[fast crater]

😭

[fleet sun]

i like new baricade

i like goo grenade

[sand monolith]

New barricade is amazing the only issue is that it sucks at placing

[violet cosmos]

yeah they can suck to get down sometimes

[fleet sun]

i like the new mechanic of it

[violet cosmos]

especially since it synergizes with goo gun now beyond with goovment (which was removed iirc)

[native niche]

Is goo gun underrated? I rarely ever see it used since mesh shield is so useful

[copper sinew]

It gives so much possibilities, but it somewhat overlaps with charge'n'slam in its playstyle with close range weapons and mesh shield is just so powerful in a lot of scenarios. So it might not be underrated, but simply outperformed.

[plucky herald]

agreed

[rain geyser]

I swear I fumble around for 5-10s trying to place them on the platform

[fleet brook]

Feels clunky and slow to use imo

[native niche]

Goo gun or mesh shield?

[fleet brook]

Goo gun

[silk vector]

Il faut que the finals mette des couteaux se serai super cool genre comme arme supe

[fickle radish]

🥖

[alpine trail]

they just nerfed sledgehammer bro wth

can't slide while charging attack 💀

[void iron]

rip sledge tech

[candid rain]

Rip Dagger tech while we're at it... The Akiba Step is useless now, why nerf the only thing that made the dagger worthwhile, I don't get it

[ocean wolf]

bruh how u can control the recoil of lewis gun like if u gonna spray all the bullets i m just now practicing the recoil controll of the gun and it feels so hard to remember whole recoil cuz there is so much bullets ':D

[azure terrace]

Add bow and arros and crossbows

[red dove]

They should make light a viable class

[violet cosmos]

Apparently it's impossible

[shy swan]

What you guys think to put a pistol for heavy like Desert-Eagle or .500?

[polar stratus]

Yo! I was browsing but dont see anything related.. Does the Model 1887 have any bugs as of late? Same games it feels outright amazing and in others it feels like a prop gun.

[copper sinew]

Funnily enough, even tho light has been nerfed this patch I have a feeling there is a more and more lights in ranked with every day that passes

[vale carbon]

i haven't heard of anything bug related to it, it can be interesting to use because the shotguns really do have a different range than most games, they also don't deal any bonus headshot damage i believe... so landing more of the shot package becomes what you're aiming for instead (it's easy to graze people and only do partial damage i think is why it sometimes feels weaker)

[regal wyvern]

medium feels the most consistent this patch. Although light with the uzi is a close second

[polar stratus]

The range on shotguns is wild! ha, a shot will register and show appropriate damage at range but close up it does not feel as consistent. I will need to pay it close attention and rewatch some recordings to confirm hits. Kinda whack if there is no headshot bonus but it's whatever.

[restive plover]

It's hit registration can be inconsistent, but the tight spread also means if your cross hair is even slightly off your shot will do almost nothing. It's very feast or famine.

[vale carbon]

yeah i was gonna say, if you're close up the tighter spread almost makes it easier to miss more of the pellets and just graze them a little bit, it's definitely got a happy range area

that being said if you're close up and put the barrel right on your target and land all the pellets chef kiss

[polar stratus]

It's a skill issue, has to be. I went into the practice arena and while ADS and non-ADS the spread was identical and that confused me.

Thanks for the input though, much appreciated. @vale carbon @restive plover

[vale carbon]

oh yeah the ADS is a little goofy, i hardly use it on 1887

actually if someone has tips to make the ADS more useful on 1887, i'd be curious to see how other people play it!

[copper sinew]

It tends to help me aim better sometimes when I take my aim off of someone and aim at them again with ads, also works with the revy for me

[vale carbon]

interesting... i see some snipers do that, where they leave ADS almost as soon as they've taken a shot, is there target acquisition on ADS in this game?

also to confirm because i've heard conflicting things, there's no aim assist? even for controller?

[copper sinew]

I think there is some small assist for controllers on both pc and console, at least when they start firing and I don't think there is target accusition, but doing the "quickscoping" does help me focus on hitting my shots

[jovial shard]

what do yall think abt adding attachments to the game? nothing big like call of duty, but just small changes like sights or something

[copper sinew]

It could be nice, but I would assume they would be mostly cosmetic or affect things like recoil and sights, weapon switch speed or ads speed at most seeing how much changing damage on the fcar from 25 to 22 changed the weapon.

On the other hand it would not be too bad if every weapon had the same or at least similar attachments

[dim onyx]

i think heavy and medium need more variety in the weapon loadout department and light needs more team oriented gadgets

[copper sinew]

I think medium is ok, when it comes to just weapons, you have 3 solid picks and 2 that are right behind them, only CL-40 and the riot shield feel kinda bad. Heavy could use some work on the weapons. It is the gadgets I mostly worry about for both of them, nothing really stand out other than the staple picks

[dim onyx]

thats fair, maybe heavy could use more defensive and or movement gadgets. meads is a bit harder imo because its the middle class. maybe have more close range viability??

[copper sinew]

I think defensive gadgets are a go to, it already is a tanking/dps class, basically playing as a kind of anchor teammates can gather 'round and feel safe coz he is going to cover them and shoot at the enemies. Mobility for him is tricky, because too much and he will loose one of his biggest weaknesses, so it should be a rather conditional thing and still slow.

A foldable ladder would be a good example. Kind of what I have seen in lethal company, which they stole from death stranding. You place a packet on the ground that start extending a ladder and after it is fully extended it falls forward. It would allow heavies to reach higher places, it would even create paths for teammates and could be used as a bridge if need be, but it would still be slow, as it should be. It could even deal like 50 damage if it hits someone in the head.

I would also like to some other healing options for other classes. Lights already do have some support/disruption option in their kit so they maybe could have something akin to mad milk from tf2. Basically a grenade that applies a debuff to enemies that heals teammates that hit them.

Or some kind of a dart that gives temp hp and heals if teammates aren't full that he could also use on himself

[dim onyx]

the lasder idea is good, but then meads zipline would be obsolete imo. i think a damage absorption ability would be sick for heavy. i think light needs more team heal options if anything maybe a deployable aoe healing thing like soldier from OW. idk its hard thinking of ideas for the game bc its like what will break the game

[copper sinew]

I think healing stuff is good to explore but it would probably need to be implemented with some nerfs to the healing beam so there isn't too much healing all of a sudden

[dim onyx]

an easy nerf to the healing beam is its tracking, if you needed to do one not that i think it needs it

[arctic fog]

I played heavy this weekend (which I never do) and I think that the class is definitely too powerful for having so much health.

[fleet brook]

That's bait

[arctic fog]

What

[spring oriole]

Whats the verdict on AK vs FCAR after the nerfs?

[arctic fog]

Fcar is definitely still good but ak is viable too.

[fresh quarry]

Fcar not having 20 bullets kills its identity

[bright lance]

Defib use should put teammates defibs on cooldown for 10 seconds. You shouldn’t be able to chain defibs and go from 1 player up to 3 in 5 seconds.

[sand monolith]

the fcar has less of an identity but it's previous identity of "objectively better than the other weapons with less ammo" was inherently unhealthy for the game

now it is a generalist middle ground weapon that can play at both akm and famas ranges but is slightly worse at both

[glad radish]

https://medal.tv/games/the-finals/clips/2bD6VoAJiDtoHM/d1337fGX8Z7T?invite=cr-MSxWTUIsNzk0OTE1NzIs

[old bramble]

How much hp does a barricade have?

[elder cloud]

xp5 vs m11

[ember wasp]

Based

[candid lily]

What new weapons will the meds and heavies get in Season 3? Getting some more would add some interest, and make those credits I earn useful again 😅

[sand monolith]

Xp wins easily because it plays from longer range while killing slower by a negligible amount

[mellow lodge]

medium will get a garbage can, and heavy will get a carboard box

[ember wasp]

I hope they just remove light at this point they’ve nerfed literally everything

[mellow lodge]

since the devs of this game don't know how to make new weapons worth using

[candid lily]

I feel like a garbage can would be more of a disguise/cloak alternative 🤔 . The balance seems to be challenging, but hopefully adding more weapons gives some new ideas/counter abilities to the other classes as well!

[fresh quarry]

Light is still strong if u ask me I think just heavy is still the most oppressive class

[mellow lodge]

the balance isn't challenging, make new weapons strong equals not stale as fuck game

like with every single change done to this game i don't see anything other than MMH, MHH, MMM

[sand monolith]

Well the issue with the S2 weapons was that the meta weapons were just so much better

Besides 93r that’s just a piece of dogshit

[candid lily]

I actually had some fun with 93r in the bunny mode, but LH1 is definitely better

[mellow lodge]

well so is the ks and famas

[mellow lodge]

every light weapon except dagger is better than 93r 😔

[sand monolith]

Famas is good now that fcar is nerfed

[mellow lodge]

it's still just not really worth picking over the akm or fcar

[arctic fog]

My cousin is actually crazy with it but I'm ass

[sand monolith]

I think it could use a 10m min and max range buff but it definitely has advantages over the other options

[candid lily]

I struggle with the famas, havent put too much time into it though as it did not feel worth it compared to the AKM/FCAR. But I am also trying to get that pretty Level 6 skin 😍 the grind is real

[mellow lodge]

what are the advantages?

[sand monolith]

Range

Which is very important to have in a heavy meta

[mellow lodge]

eh the visual recoil makes it awful to use at range

[sand monolith]

Really? I feel like it has none

[mellow lodge]

mfw lewis gun has fucked range

[sand monolith]

YEP

[arctic fog]

Fcar is still better at range

[sand monolith]

Famas has higher DPS from longer ranges

[arctic fog]

More difficult to aim

[sand monolith]

It’s so easy wdym there’s 0 recoil

[arctic fog]

I meant aim because of the sight

[sand monolith]

I mean I guess but that won’t matter in high ranks

[arctic fog]

Ig so

[mellow lodge]

i find it easier to beam people at range with both the fcar and akm than the famas

[sand monolith]

Ngl I think that’s just because burst weapons feel like shit. But from a stats perspective it is better. It could be even more better though, the gap isn’t big enough

[mellow lodge]

also the burst recoil in this game makes me miss so many shots

like i can hit the first 2 or last 2, rarely all 3 because of how weird the bursts recoil is

[arctic fog]

I'd probably use it if it got a tiny damage buff

[solar lava]

do I need to spend money to claim the battle pass fcar lv 100 skin?
or why does it say I have 8 tokens and it costs 1

[strange stream]

Very dumb question, does crouching reduce recoil?

Also, what is the FAMAS better at then the FCAR? Im struggling to fit these two into a niche

[vale carbon]

tbh i think FAMAS melts faster on headshots but FCAR is overall a little easier to consistently use, just my opinion from using them both, i've definitely been able to do better with the FCAR consistently (even after the balancing) the FAMAS i occasionally feel like i really mess people up with though, idk if i'm just not good with it yet or if there's a trick to it lol

[vale carbon]

KOs the last player in a round of Terminal Attack by chasing them and punching them while my Mesh Shield is active 😇

[vale carbon]

and yes i do mean Active! try punching next time you're holding the Mesh Shield >:3

[novel sundial]

why is famas even being compared, rn akm just feeling the bets

[vale carbon]

i mean yeah, that's not what the conversation was about, AKM is fun though

[raven pewter]

be finals devs
add slug shotgun
no headshot multiplier
What were they thinking?

[dim onyx]

a crit with the new shotgun would be busted. people already hate the heavy class enough, that would just fuel it more

[pseudo swallow]

A stim gadget to top up self health and to boost resistance to damage and some slightly faster running speed for a few seconds for a light would not only help to ballance out the class from it being nurfed into the grave, but it would also allow for some extremely smart and clutch plays. Being a heavy only main, i miss lights being a threat at all now that their stun got nerfed, theyre never in ranked, and i think the versatility of a quick health and speed boost would really put them back on the pedestal of being a fun threatening 1v1 battle in the arena.

[pseudo swallow]

Embark can mess with the recharge time, how fast it heals, and all the stats and stuff but this isnt a minor suggestion, i think this gadget could genuinely remake light class by itself. They gotta add a recovery gadget like this to the light 😭

[arctic fog]

I agree. What held it up before was the cloak, but now it's incredibly easy to spot cloaked lights. A gadget or specialization like this would bring some versatility back to the class.

Also they are easily beamed into oblivion when facing literally anything so it'd be nice to survive longer in a fight.

[viral dove]

what did they change on the taser?

[pseudo swallow]

You can now ads and use all gear while tased; it only stops your movement now

[arctic fog]

Nerf was too much tbh. I only find it effective against melee users.

They shouldn't have allowed ads or specializations

[torn mantle]

Ads just maybe but specializations definitly not

Lights with dash/gapple can just run and mesh heavy can do that

[swift cradle]

Stun a heavy an watch him whip out the rpg on you lmfaooo

[digital saddle]

the "how" of this stun gun debuff is the best example yet of how nonsensical the balancing in these first two seasons has been.

[arctic fog]

Exactly. It ruins so much of the stun gun's utility. It turned a very unique gadget into a small setback.

Before you could stop heavies from shielding a team or prevent a medium from healing teammates.

Now it's just a "hee hee you move slow"

[swift cradle]

I think a stim function would be nice. But it's odd to just replace an old function that was good, because players don't like it.

Half the time if youre going to use cloak it feeld like it would be best to just use vanish bomb instead.

[arctic fog]

It'd be more interesting for the meta if next season they introduced a 4th specialization to each class.

That definitely would be more fun for players to come back to.

[swift cradle]

Ive tried stun in two different scenarios.

I stunned a player to force them to drop a vault. He just picked it back up while stunned.

Then i stunned an opponent to interrupt a cashout. It worked, but definitely doesn't last gong enough now, imo.

[arctic fog]

Btw keep in mind that they completely removed recon senses at the start of s2 so anything's possible.

[hardy dust]

Not even, I got stunned as sword (which is normally guaranteed death) but I literally just dashed at them and killed them. Heavy with hammer can charge and riot shield can raise the shield, so it's not even great against melee

Plus for its only real use of stopping cashouts now, you can just run goo nades and do the same, albeit a bit harder (but you get the versatility of goo nades)

[reef vector]

what do you think is the lowest skill weapon

[hardy dust]

Flamer

[reef vector]

fr

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

[hardy dust]

Medium grenade launcher is also kinda braindead but at least you have to aim it and have to make sure not to kill yourself

[gusty kayak]

sometimes I'm just running into the greande launcher mid so he will kill himself if I'm already low hp...

[hardy dust]

Istg every time I find one up close they panic fire and kill themselves

[native niche]

I only use AKM at the moment, famas is good for long range burst fire is often too slow for most fights

[ivory flax]

Healing beam should recieve tf2 treatment and do less healing for some time after target recieves damage. I dont mind it healing more if target is out of combat. From 50 to 30/60 sounds reasonable to me and would solve some issues meta have.

[clear crow]

fix the turrets on the platform in power surge

[novel sundial]

Hey so like fun fact. unbalance keeps players

If the game was perfectly balance then you’d have to rely on pure skill to win and that’s when everyone drops the game and it dies. If I was a game dev balance would be the last thing to come

All the “meme” players and the random dads that play the game to blow shit up with heavy or frags and gas grenades with medium all use those items because it’s fun to watch hell let loose but if everything got balanced out there would be no way to get cheesy kills and you’d have to start relying on iq, aim, and game sense which lots of the player base are severely lacking in 😭

[stray flower]

Petition to buff stun gun

[glacial oyster]

Or at least give it the dignity of recon sense and just remove it. If you’re going to kill it because it doesn’t fit in their vision for the class fine, I don’t agree but fine. Don’t pretend it’s been reworked when all comparative value and utility has been striped from it.

[grand wigeon]

Add disguise how it in TF2

[woeful agate]

how tf are you supposed to counter a flamethrower on powershift there's too much cover/shields to be able to hit them from range and if you get close you just get melted

[valid wagon]

It's actually strong now cuz before this u can just tank it and win 1v1s lol

Heavies just have too much effective hp to kill especially if they have good teammates

[torn mantle]

grenades?

[raven pewter]

Y'aint wrong but if you lower base damage to where it's slightly lower than now but will be higher if you can consistently hit headshots I think that would be balanced and reward skilled aim.

[restive plover]

If you had to hit only headshots to get decent damage you'd end up with the same situation as the revolver, only worse because the ks fires a projectile. Its base damage should just be increased to 120/125.

[digital saddle]

interesting take. thank you. depends on the demographics but this could well be the case. never thought of this.

[torn mantle]

It's funny cause your entire argument can sorta be shut with skill-based matchmaking

[sand monolith]

if you ignore all the people who left and cited balance reasons then yeah

[arctic fog]

Buff the 93r it's pretty mid as it stands now.

[novel sundial]

If it’s mid don’t use it lol

[novel sundial]

I mean that’s pretty fair point. I do see a lot of people dipping because of unbalance rather than staying

[arctic fog]

Yeah I don't but I want it better to be that way

[dim onyx]

we need input based matchmaking. something similar to halo, there's no other way to bridge the gap between mouse and key and controller

[warped quiver]

we need a battle axe or a aug

[vapid blaze]

Ya I noticed that tazer sucks against lights now, it was the biggest boon to tazers to be able to hard counter very mobile light players.

Now they just dash away when tazed and defeats the whole purpose of the tazer

[hardy dust]

Stun should still apply the glitch so it actually has a use apart from stopping steals.

[idle sky]

Do turret kills and gas mine kills count towards eliminations? I just thought about how I was getting a bunch of kills using those, but they never showed on the leaderboard

[still rampart]

im pretty sure

[hardy dust]

They do

[idle sky]

Maybe it was just a bug. Cos it wasn't terminal attack or whatever that game mode is called, but they still didn't count

[still rampart]

maybe its just that gamemode?

[gusty lotus]

Hello everyone! If anyone can answer me is it just me or is background music not in my game anymore like the interactive music and stuff which makes the game like not feel the same but maybe it’s just me??? Please reply because maybe I’m just crazy!

[idle sky]

the background music still works for me. so maybe ur volume

[frosty stream]

Hey could we get a ads for the good gun just like the ks-23. My sensitivity is obviously way lower when ads so it's difficult to hit shots with the goo gun mid fight

[restive plover]

New update tomorrow. Hoping for buffs to the FAMAS, KS-23, Throwing Knifes and Grenade launchers. Literally any of those would be a nice buff.

The meta is nice, but most weapons need buffs, not nerfs.

[mellow lodge]

the update may be today though 👀

also this meta is not nice, it fucking sucks lmao 😂

[restive plover]

How so?

[shadow onyx]

WAIT are you telling me the entire time I've been stunning people they've been able to ads 🤦‍♂️

[restive plover]

Don't give me hope man . . . .don't do it.

[mellow lodge]

update could be in 9 hours or tomorrow

most of the updates have been a wednesday

last weeks was only a thursday due to the new mode

[restive plover]

Any word on if Embark will retroactively allow you to buy single items from ALL previous bundles? Not just ones going forward?

[arctic fog]

since last week's update, yes.

[shadow onyx]

So it's basically useless now

[arctic fog]

yup

run frag instead or tracking dart

[shadow onyx]

that sucks because tazing people was way cooler

I guess tracking dart is still cool

[arctic fog]

yeah.. 😔

[ember wasp]

I hate the idea of metas it just makes games boring and repetitive I wish this game didn’t reward that way of playing games and I wish I could run whatever I wanted and only be punished but the fact that it’s stupid instead of that fact I just can compete cos the items other than the meta are useless (completely unrelated I just really find metas unrewarding and lazy)

[slim linden]

chat, do i release the damage falloff command

[short prawn]

Can any of the recon category equipments be seen by teamates??

[sand monolith]

Yeah only a few things need nerfs rn. Lewis gun, rpg and lh1

[shadow onyx]

I feel like lewis gun got nerfed and m60 is new meta

[sand monolith]

Yes

[fast cedar]

I want RPK

[short prawn]

All of them or?

[sand monolith]

M60 and SA1216 would both be equally viable. The main issue is most heavy weapons are gimmick weapons so they won’t really ever be meta

[short prawn]

Didnt they nerf that to destruction purposes

[sand monolith]

Yeah sonar made and tracking dart

[shadow onyx]

sa1216 used to be so broken i got 23-2 kd one game

[fast cedar]

Exactly

[sand monolith]

No the rpg still does 140 damage AOE. It’s best use is player damage unfortunately

The actual world if it was better used for destruction

[mellow lodge]

sa12 is still meta trent

mainly due to rpg

[sand monolith]

SA12 loses in a 1v1 to m60. now that medium doesn’t have great damage output, this matters a lot more. They would both be viable

[sand monolith]

Also yeah this needs to be fixed. SA12 is genuinely just fine until you pull out an rpg

[mellow lodge]

idgaf what anyone says both lewis and m60 are dumb af

[sand monolith]

M60 needs a small range nerf. Lewis needs to be publicly executed

[mellow lodge]

rpg needs to be publicly drawn and quartered

[fast cedar]

Nah the rpg good for long ranges engagements

[sand monolith]

That’s like, it’s worst area

[short prawn]

Is the flamethrower an issue or is it balanced

[mellow lodge]

yet still completely fucked as well

[mellow lodge]

flame is an issue because of how much it fucks with what you can see

[sand monolith]

Well, it wouldn’t be heavy if it wasn’t completely viable outside of its intended range

I don’t think heavy will be properly nerfed until s3

[short prawn]

Okay im just wondering because its been irritating asf lately

[mellow lodge]

it'll be because of the DoT damage being bs

[sand monolith]

It would be fine if the fire extinguished when the heavy dies

[mellow lodge]

like the actual flame can hit me twice, and the DoT deals 60+ damage to me

[sand monolith]

If flamethrower did a small amount less damage and had an alt fire based around defensive play it would be so cool

[mellow lodge]

heavy will not be properly nerfed full stop

[sand monolith]

Nah it definitely will. Embark genuinely does try and all their major patches have been great steps in the right direction

I think they are slow because they don’t want to change the game too much in 1 patch because of how bad it would feel for casuals

[mellow lodge]

ok i'll admit embark is doing great steps towards balancing the game for medium and heavy

[sand monolith]

Once medium and heavy are balanced I think light will be fine

[mellow lodge]

at this point they might as well just remove light from the game

[mellow lodge]

not with the nerfs they have done to it

[sand monolith]

RPG and Lewis are honestly the main things holding light back. All of its usefulness is just destroyed by that

[mellow lodge]

and all of it's usefulness is kinda gone now with these recent patches

[sand monolith]

The last patch buffed light in ranked imo

[mellow lodge]

there is genuinely no reason to pick light over a medium or heavy if you are trying to win

[mellow lodge]

no
just no

[sand monolith]

It really did

[mellow lodge]

[sand monolith]

Invis was never best for ranked it was a crutch. Stun was a nerf for ranked but it’s also not needed for killing mediums now that fcar is nerfed. Glitch buff is actually huge. Fcar nerf is a huge buff for light cause you can actually kill mediums now. And the removal of a knockout round is HUGE for light

I’m having more success with light in ranked than ever after 2.6

[mellow lodge]

ok now because of the patch glitch doesn't break shield 50% of the time due to a bug, stun and invis were crutches because it's the only way to make light useful

like stun stopped you from getting rpg by a heavy, now it does not

[sand monolith]

Yeah if the glitch nade doesn’t have LOS of the dome shield core it won’t work

[mellow lodge]

thats dumb as fuck

[sand monolith]

Yeah the stun nerf is definitely a nerf for ranked and it sucks. But because lh1 is so op, you can play height so easily and avoid rpg (most of the time)

[mellow lodge]

so now lh1 is the crutch for light

[sand monolith]

But I absolutely agree rpg needs a gigantic nerf it’s easily the bigger balance issue in the game

[sand monolith]

Yeah it’s so overtuned. Once you get used to the awful visual recoil it’s so funny

[mellow lodge]

but still there is no reason to pick light over the other 2 options, that proves light is useless

[sand monolith]

I have a feeling they will nerf rpg and Lewis and not nerf the lh1 in the same patch and it will become the worst meta ever

[sand monolith]

I think LMH and HHL both have valid uses

[mellow lodge]

did, not anymore

let's just hope this patch actually does something

[sand monolith]

(It won’t)

I don’t expect anything from the weekly updates anymore

[mellow lodge]

i find it funny that rob wants another dagger skin but they don't care about dagger not working anymore

[mellow lodge]

the only thing i except is light to get worse

[restive plover]

Gadget ideas

Heavy:
Anti tank weapon
perks: it can shoot through wall and heavy barriers but can only pass through 1 wall or barrier
Cons: it is very slow as a priary weapon and only does medium amounts of damage

Medium:
Fire extiguisher
perks: allows for quick smoke effect or puting on fire teamates out along with allowing to put out on fire goo walls that have been placed down
Cons: the extinguisher has a 30 ammo capacity per round after use it goes onto cooldown for 1 minute

Light:
Airstrike
Perks: allows the light class to go over to wherrever they want look at a position within a certain range of themselves and send a 5 rocket airstrike
Cons: 3 minute cool down

[sand monolith]

I think they are trying very hard to not have light extremely op in quickplay

Which is very hard to do while making it good in competitive

[mellow lodge]

it's not even op in quickplay it's just annoying

like idk how tf they nerf stun gun but not the more annoying shit in the game

[sand monolith]

(RPG)

[mellow lodge]

man fuck rpg, turret is the real annoyance in this game

[sand monolith]

Turret got a lot less obnoxious after I started using smoke barrels against it

[mellow lodge]

still the most awful thing to ever fight in qp

[sand monolith]

This is true

[mellow lodge]

like MHH is less awful to fight than turret

[sand monolith]

Turret is lame because it is passive value

A lot of mediums utility is passive which is really lame

[mellow lodge]

it's just awful to fight when you are a light, turrets tracking is actually fuckin mental, especially with how much range it has

[short prawn]

Dont lights got the EMP

Glitch grenade*

[mellow lodge]

aps

now whats the solution

[sand monolith]

Aps should still have the projectile explode

[royal pier]

Steal a concept from Siege. Have it only block 3-5 projectiles before it has to go on a cooldown.

[mellow lodge]

wouldn't fix the problem, as you can just pick it up and place it back down again

[royal pier]

It would give the MGL32 a little something more.

[royal pier]

Don't let it work like that.

[mellow lodge]

devs aren't that smart though 😔

[royal pier]

If you pick it up, have it go on CD for however long was left.

Or pause the cooldown

It would still be strong, but give lesser used weapons like the MGL32 a solid role.

[restive plover]

Is the meta still MMM or is that left in the stone age

[royal pier]

HHM is more common.

[vestal arrow]

Quickly made chart of how screwed Heavy is by the APS turret
(Mainly MGL Heavy)

[arctic fog]

Considering the heavy's power, I wouldn't say this is unfair.

[frosty kestrel]

True would love that lack of rpg

Also you know just ignore the aps, your not throwing your done shield at them are you

[sullen tree]

it wouldn't even be that OP in quickplay.

light should be one of those 200+ hour sweat classes who emerge from comp once in a blue moon to terrify noobs then disappears.

y'know? Especially with weapons like dagger

[restive plover]

Give heavy a m4 with a drum mag for season 3

[fading crater]

Welp, meta lays strongly on coordinated and strong teamplay with very good fire power and fortification. Some dont quite understand that light's purpouse is to ruin enemy line by decoordination. Imagine trench warfare. Light should be that one thing that ruins fortification, enabling your team to strike. But thats just my shower thoughts

Played dagger yesterday, coudnt land backstab by standing behind enemy the whole time... Hitbox feels sooo unplayable now. Does anyone know if it was a planned change or just a temporary bug/issue?

[mellow lodge]

none of us know, as the devs don't respond to anything lmao

[sullen tree]

ye, it just sucks that it kinda can't do that as well as a heavy, lmao

[foggy snow]

Patiently awaiting 2.7.0 so that I can update my weapon master sheet before sleeping

[sullen tree]

yea, they accidentally nerfed it last patch, we hope.

[sullen tree]

I just hope it makes dagger playable again

[foggy snow]

yeah dagger's been getting slapped around lately 🥲

my biggest gripe with 2.6.0 is... well...

they gutted Light and Medium's only good tools for fragging out

and did nothing about Heavy

lo and behold, MHH teams terrorize ranked without any real counter

the glitch nade buff would be cool if the thing wasn't bugged on dome shields

[sullen tree]

yea, lol

I just wish they'd stop being scared of high level skill expression with the weapons

they all feel super artifically limited in what they can do, except for the automatic weapons which feel skilless but overbearing in comparison

[foggy snow]

they gotta do something about the fact that Medium's guns all kill slower than Heavy's guns

which relegates him into more of a heal-kitten than before

[sullen tree]

true, and light just kinda doesn't exist

[foggy snow]

since he can't effectively play around cashouts with so little firepower

[sullen tree]

they should buff the firerate of medium shotgun, maybe (and increase the spread?)

[foggy snow]

nvm, sleeping now

[mellow lodge]

😔

[foggy snow]

if 2.7.0 arrives, I probably won't be awake until 7-8 hours later to update the spreadsheet

if there are any weapon changes at all

[tight notch]

I think we will just get shop update and that's it, since last patch was a big one

[fickle radish]

devs told us when it was going to relase a little patch last time. I think that this one is probably going to have a little game balance changes. Hope they change the stun allowing it to silence specializations

[copper sinew]

Man that is sad. I was skeptical on thinking that, since I thought adding charges to aps and making it require line of sight was enough, but they should only make aps target actual grenades (and probably the rpg still, maybe mines but I dunno, just feels wierd) and not all the utility things like grav cube and dome shield

[foggy snow]

nvm, was awake, but it looks like nothing changed

another week of heavy terrorizing ranked

[mellow lodge]

nothing will change anymore, we had the mid season patch

[foggy snow]

which was pathetic, balance-wise

[fickle radish]

patch is not today, is always tomorrow

[mellow lodge]

are you blind?

[fickle radish]

lol steam literally updated rn with the patch

I was playing until half an hour ago and nothing. Wasnt the patch coming always on thursday?

[copper sinew]

It was still a balance patch and it hit one of the most annoying things in the game and also did some things to stun guns, cloak and barricades.

It is usually not wise to make big changes in the middle of the season both because they might shake up the meta in ranked too much and because they make starts of new seasons less special.

Not gonna lie I was hoping for buffs/reverts to weapons that have been affected by melee hit reg or more bug fixes, but I understand why they don't want to poke the balance bear with the stick of changes after they have just woken it up like a week ago.

[foggy snow]

shaking up the meta "too much" is welcome at this point, because it's been largely the same since Open Beta.

[copper sinew]

They tried with season 2 as it added new weapons and gadgets, but they where undertuned compared to what was already in game.

Still I would expect bigger changes to come at the start of season 3 and if they don't happen then that is the point I would start to worry. Will probably still play the game tho as I enjoy it plenty as it is already

[fickle radish]

this, season 3 is the last chance

[rain geyser]

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[restive plover]

We should be allowed to carry two weapons in this game, otherwise weapons like hammer ,riot shield and mgl32 are not playable.

[fickle radish]

lol

[restive plover]

Weapons have strengths and weaknesses, but some weapons have much more weaknesses than others, thats why we need two weapon to make up for their respective shortcomings, so you don't have to to be upset fighting fcar with a mgl32, there will be much more fun to play with two weapons.
If it improves gameplay experience, then we should have this feature.

[shrewd axle]

get good tbh

[high storm]

I would like to see other types of mines. You almost have to stand on the mines to set them off. Let's get some claymores up in this.

Uh suh dude

[valid fulcrum]

Capture the flag with a flag that you can throw like a spear? Im just saying imagine the race you have to do with the flag

[shrewd axle]

light only mode

[valid fulcrum]

It would go crazy

[high storm]

Haha stickers and charms for beating people to death with the flag!

[valid fulcrum]

Literally so you can throw the spear and get a kill if they catch you short

[frozen canopy]

I see they buffed the Famas Is it viable to run now?

[valid fulcrum]

They could put sponers onto the flag itself

[high storm]

Not right this minute it's not haha

[valid fulcrum]

Sponsors

[frozen canopy]

lmao

[fleet brook]

The issue with stun gun wasn't that it was op

But that it could do a bunch

And was annoying

It had alot of on demand utility and was objectively a better option then glitch grenades

It was the finals equivalent to getting Sombra hacked

Especially because it was ran with invis

[novel sundial]

“It’s not op but here are the reason why it was op” 😭

[fleet brook]

It wasn't OP just annoying as shit

[novel sundial]

It was a guaranteed death if the user could aim even slightly. That’s op.

[fleet brook]

Using Sombra as an example again she never saw OWL but she was considered annoying and a play style that pissed people off

[mellow lodge]

no

[novel sundial]

The only way to survive is with something like a shotgun that has decent hipfiring (which still has lower dps than an xp)

[mellow lodge]

everyone that says stun was a guaranteed kill never stunned an fcar user or heavy

[fleet brook]

It was however on demand silence

Which I think should be relegated to the glitch items

[mellow lodge]

man fuck that i wanna not get rpg'd and charge and slammed

[fleet brook]

Glitch grenades exist

Or ya know sniper light

LH1 light light has ranged options in his kit

[mellow lodge]

glitch grenade that bounces? and lasts only 5 sec?

[novel sundial]

I’ve only played fcar and Lewis heavy and despite my efforts I’ve never been able to kill alight when demobilized for 5 seconds

[fleet brook]

Evasive dash

[novel sundial]

Ik ttk in this game is like wayyyy longer than most games like cod but when you have xp it’s no dif

[mellow lodge]

stun shouldn't have been nerfed it should've just been removed

[novel sundial]

Can’t use anything dawg 😭 when you got stunned before the fix you were powerless

[fleet brook]

You know your argument is

"I should have annoying and unfun shit to play against because this other person does"

[mellow lodge]

yes that is a pretty fucking reasonable arguement

[fleet brook]

Is arena destruction tied to raw damage

[fleet brook]

No it isn't just take away the other person's unfun shit so everyone can have fun

Rather than a game of who can cheese the hardest

[mellow lodge]

but that would require the devs actually nerfing heavy, thats not possible

[fleet brook]

Why leave unfun shit in your game

[mellow lodge]

idk asks the devs

[fleet brook]

It just leads to a very large rift in the community

Invis + stun gun reminded me of Sombra

If I wanted to play a basic bitch shooter I'd play cod not the finals or overwatch

And the longer the devs left Sombra in that game the more and more her and her players became hated over the span of OW1

[fickle radish]

i wanted a nerf, but only silencing gadgets + being able to aim while stunned is good as a nerf. Silencing also specs make it totally useless against everybody but mediums

[sand monolith]

There was already a problem with invis lights ruining quickplay

And stungun

Light should definitely be getting its strengths from things that aren’t inherently obnoxious to go against anyways

[nimble pilot]

Not sure if this area is just to ask for adjustments and stuff but I come with a weapon idea,

I want a frying pan, a nice and hard, smooth cast iron frying pan, especially one that makes a loud “PANG!” on headshot or headsmack? I don’t care which kit they give it too, although it’s probably too heavy to hold for a light so medium or heavy would be better. Anyways yeah I want a frying pan

[north junco]

this is where i come for my daily dose of bad takes

[nimble pilot]

Say that after the satisfying smack of a frying pan 🤣, imagine the clips people could make

[fleet brook]

Someone gets it

[nimble pilot]

I read this and all I see is Master Oogway

[vestal arrow]

I would agree with that but when it comes to taking an entire weapon and making it useless with 1 simple gadget it needs to be fixed

Aps for all other heavy guns are more balanced because you can shoot it down, the Sledge and Flamethrower so require you to be in melee range but you're expected to be there anyways

For MGL you can only go melee punch it which means as an MGL heavy you have to walk into your worst range (Close to Medium) and hit something 3 times without dying somehow just to be able to likely self explode when you can finally shoot

Now it likely seems like a low rank issue as in higher ranks where team play actually exists your other teammates could just shoot it down, but in gold and lower your lucky if anyone even joins comms much less has a mic

[high storm]

I just thought about adding a random favourite mode to the skins for weapons.
I know it's like apex but I like a couple of the throwing star skins and would love for it to cycle through them 🙂

[vestal arrow]

This 100%

Also I want to be able to save outfits as they add more and more cosmetics

I may or may not be addicted to transmog and other cosmetic set making stuff in other games

[surreal spoke]

i was wondering if a healing gun is possible because its annoying from a teammate blocking my shots

[molten geyser]

what about rpg then? Stun gun wasnt op lmao

[torn mantle]

Petition to be able to hold the alt attack on throwing knives

[restive plover]

Lights when hipfire:

[violet tree]

Any reason why people seem to be complaining a lot about the LH1. It honestly doesn't seem as good as the xp and its twice as hard to use. To top it off light is by far the weakest class... it doesnt make much sense

[vestal arrow]

RPG is too strong I think it needs direct hit damage added but overall area damage decreased meaning you either focus on bursting a target down or doing area damage

But so was Stun it had no real counterplay

[vague monolith]

I think we should bleach the game of any and all personality. The only thing that should ever be good is assault rifles like every single other video game made since 2007.

[vestal arrow]

And semi auto pistols

[vague monolith]

Bring back nukes after the first nef I miss having a reason to throw chairs.

[vestal arrow]

Make MGL great (for once)

Make it do 2x the damage and have 3x the area and also have 20 shots

And let me fly

[vague monolith]

Or make chairs do more more damage then they don't want to lay someone out with a folding chair

[molten geyser]

i killed enough lights that stunned me, im just amazed by the devs their heavy love... it has been the best class since launch and they still buff a lot/nerf things that actually doesnt matter that much like the health of dome shield. its still to strong overall

[shut bane]

can we please nerf the flamethrower? the range is insane, blinds you and just sprays everyone in front of you with mad dps

[vague monolith]

Let me grapple arena carriables

[shut bane]

even having or at least make it burn teammates too

[vestal arrow]

If your running Lewis you could do it but none of the other heavy weapons could consistently kill in stun, I agree stun got nerfed too much but it needed something

[restive plover]

The time to kill is comparable to the xp while massively outranging it and everything else. Main thing holding it back is awful visual recoil and light getting deleted by RPG(but that won't be here forever) It also totally invalidates the v9s since it does the same thing but better, and is perfectly fine to use for cqb.

[vestal arrow]

KS fired too slow and relies on movement to not die when in normal combat, SA is too punishing if you miss shots and as long as the light was far enough back you can't even hit them, M60 can do it but is much harder since you are better at close range hip fire, MGL has about as high of a chance of killing yourself as killing the light, and Sledge is pretty evident as long as they arent in melee range

I think the flamethrower can do it as long as they stay within range of you

[molten geyser]

and honestly the dev that thought to make a dome shield 1 way sided needs to be fired

[vestal arrow]

Huh

[molten geyser]

make it like apex gibby shield, way more balanced

instead of that the enemy or the team itself can shoot through it

[molten geyser]

i consistently killed a light that stunned me as a light or medium, they make the game noob friendly which is killing the game

[vestal arrow]

As a light or medium sure

But like I said heavy has little counterplay to it

[feral nebula]

So I have been trying to make the MGL32 ( Heavy Grenade launcher ) work now for a while but it seems very underwhelming. I think it needs a buff to damage and/or make it explode on impact to players. I think explosion on impact like Mediums GL would be cool but maybe a bit too much.
Its way to niche and as soon you get into close quarter combat ( which you will always in this game) you are pretty useless.

My suggestion to buff the weapon would be:

• quicken the reload time
• explosion on player impact
• increase damage

thoughts? :)

[molten geyser]

?? you have an lmg my man just spray him down xD

[restive plover]

It's fine as it is.

[molten geyser]

???? nah brosky what use does a stungun have now?

[vestal arrow]

It just needs impact but a lower AOE on impact

[restive plover]

Talking about the dome shield.

I agree that stun gun is pretty useless now, allowing ads while stunned would have been more than enough.

[vestal arrow]

Are you blind I legit stated above that the Lewis is the only gun consistently able (other than maybe flamethrower) to kill in old stun

[vestal arrow]

Climbed from S4 to G4 so far and aiming higher, all using the MGL

Proud to be a main of a gun that's useful in few situations

[molten geyser]

are you stupid tho?

[vestal arrow]

M60 is the only other LMG, at the range a stun gun could be used from it had a much slower TTK than most of the lights kit

Everything else struggled to kill a light through stun

If the light was within melee range yes you could usually kill them with most of the kit, but your kinda dumb to be a light in melee range using stun gun

[feral nebula]

Although that would be cool the ability to spam grenades around the corner is a nice and strong niche. But I would still take that change anytime. But I think damage is really low you need 4 grenades to kill a medium with close explosions. Together with that long reload time I think that needs a buff too 🤔

[gritty raft]

hi , im new to the game and i play light with sniper any gadgets which u reccomend

[vestal arrow]

I agree with that but consider that your taking 4 grenades to kill 3 mediums potentially within close range, by making it do more damage on impact and allowing it to impact the skill of the weapon increases meaning the goal is either direct hits or bouncing around corners to do splash damage

The skill cap becomes much higher as your lower rank players may still try and just spam but a more skilled player would focus on hitting specific enemies with direct hits or using it to blow up mines or blow up enemies behind walls and cover

[feral nebula]

Ah I thought you mean impact explosion everytime. I agree. Player impact and wall bounce would be cool

[vestal arrow]

Let the CL be a stronger direct hit area weapon where the MGL has more play options but requires more skilled play to execute

[feral nebula]

Agree.

[feral nebula]

what ability do you play with? I tried shield but it didnt work out so well. I am on Charge now which hhelps with close range encounters

[vestal arrow]

Charge is really your best option, it offers the ability to open walls and floors for shooting holes and also let's you defend yourself in close range or run from fights to get to your ideal range

Goo is honestly alright too except it requires team play and people to help you in close range which in solo queue is a laughable idea at best, so in 3 stacks or higher ranks I can see goo being useful to setup trap rooms and trap players to bounce into

[feral nebula]

Yep think so too, ty :)

[valid fulcrum]

Can someone ask about a capture the flag where you can use the flag as a spear the mods keep removing my comment!!

[fleet sun]

no

[vestal arrow]

Probably because your spamming it

[valid fulcrum]

Had no one waa replying

[daring moth]

Need someone from EMBARK to reply,

will the Model 1887 Dough Wrangler Skin be available to buy in season 3? as it was also available in season 1/2

@latent monolith

[heady plaza]

Does anyone have the stats for the AR's since this last patch? like whats the base damage ak compared to fcar etc

[gritty raft]

nope sorry :c

[ember finch]

there should be a video on youtube, "FCAR IS COMPLETELY USELESS NOW. | AKM Better? The Finals 2.6.0 Update" it compares the TTK

idk if i can post a link or not

[neon haven]

#💣┇weapons-gadgets message

[gritty raft]

best gadgets?

[ember finch]

for light I would consider the Gateway to be the best

[gritty raft]

why?

[ember finch]

for example if your team started the cashout just place a gateway on a high ground a bit far, where you are able to shoot the cashout

and you can place the second one as an escape route and still be able to damage enemies

[gritty raft]

oh never knew that

whats like the best weapons for light?

[ember finch]

xm1 i think accourding to TTK

[toxic marsh]

Throwing knife 😹

[ember finch]

dagger lol

[toxic marsh]

Whatever weapon fits your playstyle honestly.

[ember finch]

I saw a reddit post where someone suggested they should combine dagger and throwing knife, that sounds like a good idea

[gritty raft]

XD

[ember finch]

but it might be too broken

[gritty raft]

i play sniper and im aggresive with it

but i miss alot of shots at close range :C

[toxic marsh]

I've had great dagger games even though folks call it garbage. I main throwing knife bc they're fun

[full pecan]

i love me some throwing scissors

[toxic marsh]

That would suck honestly. The throwing knives are in a good spot as they are.

[gritty raft]

😄

[toxic marsh]

If they got rid of one of my throw options I'd be sad af

[ember finch]

they feel too inconsistent to me, i might give them another try though

[toxic marsh]

Treat em like a melee weapon and you'll do better. Stay just outside of actual melee range. Strong attack for opener and counter-sniping.

[ember finch]

wdym counter-sniping

do you use dash or cloak with them?

[toxic marsh]

They don't have a range limit, so if snipers are camping cranes you can drop em pretty easily when you learn the arc.

Dash 100%

Strong attack headshot is 180 damage if both knives land

[ember finch]

damn, gotta give them another try

[gritty raft]

i use dash tbh

[toxic marsh]

Dash because on Mediums open with strong to the head, then close the gap with a light attack into quick attack.

[gritty raft]

plus dodging