💣┇weapons-gadgets

[dull creek]

What job you work then nood

[obsidian gust]

i mean not really i’m just putting a lot of thought behind a discord argument ab how u suck at fighting lights

[obsidian gust]

i’m a tile guy how ab u?

[dull creek]

Birthday yea we all get those our expectations are too high when we’re younger so yea

[umbral drum]

personal insults... showing immaturity

[warped quiver]

come on let's move on, no need for this

[umbral drum]

as a concrete laborer you got soft hands boy

[dull creek]

I do granite work with my pops

[restive plover]

No I don’t expect anything it was bad because I was recovering from a spinal fusion surgery and I couldn’t walk lmao I wanted to be with my family eating yk

[obsidian gust]

stfu 😂😂 you concrete guys are a different breed

[dull creek]

Simon says, mind your own business

[umbral drum]

lmao once mud shows up its game time baby

[dull creek]

LMAOO

[umbral drum]

last time i heard that one i fell of my dinosaurs

[obsidian gust]

they don’t get it

[dull creek]

That’s crazy cs last time I check I didn’t ask 🤷🏽‍♂️

[restive plover]

I do lawn care and power washing with my two brothers 👍

[umbral drum]

get what?

[dull creek]

Granite and concrete are two totally different things but pop off

[obsidian gust]

hell yea bro it’s cool to see us young fellas in trades

[dull creek]

I do everything I’m Mexican I learn myself lmao, I’ve fixed toilets, cars, etc

[umbral drum]

yes they are completely different fields of work and different amount of physical labor lmao

[restive plover]

Not gonna stay long though, joining my dad’s shipping business soon. Needs help as he’s getting old

[dull creek]

Really? I would’ve never guessed

[umbral drum]

if ur aruging about who is more immature then you just say this dumb shit just stfu

[dull creek]

Yea that sucks

[restive plover]

Fr

[dull creek]

lol you mad?

[umbral drum]

nah its a public discord server im allowed to talk and i could care less about what other people think its discord you can never win an arguement

[dull creek]

Also did you respond to me? You could’ve just kept quite no? But you wanted to get in that could be a sign of immaturity 🤷🏽‍♂️

I am to lmaoo

[umbral drum]

for adding in lmao?

like i said public discord but you @dull creek you have a great day sweetheart!

[dull creek]

Leaving already? Okay bye bye and yea Ik it’s public always pointing out the obvious

[restive plover]

But you Seb, you *

[dull creek]

LMAOOO I LOVE THIS GUY

[restive plover]

Have a good day

[dull creek]

you have a good day too Simon be safe

[umbral drum]

like i said its discord you can never win an argument so there is no point in arguing stupid

hope ur well!

[dull creek]

But yet you’re still here

[restive plover]

in arguing, stupid.*
I* hope you’re * well. *

[umbral drum]

point out the obvious

[dull creek]

EL O EL

[restive plover]

Day o dayyyy o daylights coming and me wanna go home

[dull creek]

You’re saying you’re leaving, you’re still here. You’re saying arguing is pointless, still responding.

Von is getting worse, my house is gonna float away

[restive plover]

Lmao noooo

[dull creek]

1 step is fully under, about to be fully under too, I have two left to go

It’s kinda peaceful tho

[restive plover]

Damn that’s a bad flood, make sure water doesn’t get in the house. Personally i use towels and put them on the door creases to block water.

[restive plover]

Mhmmm my favorite days are cloudy warm breezy days Ykwim wby?

[dull creek]

Rain kinda stopped tho so I should be good

[restive plover]

Hopefully

[dull creek]

I like cold so today is so nice to me, cloudy, cool, so nice

Let’s go fishing

[obsidian gust]

“mature”

[restive plover]

Yea, use to get those a lot. I moved down to Alabama but I use to live in Oho

[dull creek]

You’re responding still

[restive plover]

Ohio* sorry

[dull creek]

I moved on, hop off my shrimp lil bro

[restive plover]

You from Texas seb?

[dull creek]

Yeah

Born in cali but lived in Texas all my life

[restive plover]

Oh I was born in Ohio and lived there for most of my life until we moved to Alabama, love the heat down here

[unreal crescent]

we

[restive plover]

White bread is better 😑

[dull creek]

White bread diffs

Water going down it stopped raining finally lmao

[unreal crescent]

😦

well white bread is better but yeah

it was already taken so i did whole grain bread

[dull creek]

I still eat whole grain here and there dw you’re still liked but not loved

[restive plover]

Lmao all jokes man, love the name

Bruh frog what are you typing😭

[unreal crescent]

._.

[restive plover]

Casting a spell or some shit

[dull creek]

Ribbit ribbit croack croack

[unreal crescent]

valid

[restive plover]

Bro

BRO

😭 Frog there’s no way

[dull creek]

You’re making him nervous and shy

[restive plover]

😪 he’s scaring me with this message bruh

[runic mauve]

lmao sorry! I tryna type up a gadget idea

I'll write it up not in chat lol

[dull creek]

good gadget idea” add a hidden Tesla”

[restive plover]

Must be a great idea then if your writing allat, would love to hear it

[runic mauve]

stun gun but its a minigun

[warped quiver]

nahh you're fine, we should rather take the other convo to #🥚┇off-topic

[restive plover]

Yes.

[runic mauve]

(jk)

[restive plover]

Lmao

[runic mauve]

no thats ok, I was distracting yall, I'll post it when I gathered my thoughts

[restive plover]

Alr, @dull creek you enjoying paradise pd or nah?

[dull creek]

I’m outside in the rain chilling rn lmao

[restive plover]

Lol, sounds nice

[dull creek]

But yea it was good, finna watch it when I’m in lala land yanno

I live next to a park and that shit flooded too lmao

[restive plover]

Damn, one time this park flooded so bad me and my dad fished in it and we caught smth lmao

[dull creek]

Lmaoo that’s crazy

[restive plover]

Fr

[dull creek]

Did y’all eat it or nah

[restive plover]

Nah let it go

this is supposed to be about weapons and gadgets, not the outside

[dull creek]

I use gadgets in the real world does that count?

[runic mauve]

ooooh~ ur in trooouble!!!

[dull creek]

It’s all vons fault ban him

[restive plover]

I was about to drop some fishing wisdom 😭

[restive plover]

Nuh uh

[dull creek]

Lmao alright well ima head out anyways got some things to do around the house especially now that the rain is gone

Cya 👋

[restive plover]

Alright later @dull creek have a good day 👍

HEUHEUHEUHEUHEUHEUHE

you dudes are wholesome, but do take it to #🥚┇off-topic next time pls

[restive plover]

You got it chief 🙌

ty, my dude ❤️

[rough carbon]

Flaregun as a main weapon for the light? Or a gadget?

Pros for main weapon, ranged fire suppression from afar, maybe rip off tf2 and do more damage to those already on fire

Cons being lit on fire as well as stunned back to back now a possibility

[runic mauve]

I kinda like it as a gadget instead

[rough carbon]

It's a counter against cloaks

Pros as gadget, flare sword build is possible

The game needs powder kegs that are super sensitive to fire

[runic mauve]

could also pull another tf2 and apply a very shot slow effect, or very slight knockback, since flares are pretty big themselves. It would also set it apart from pyro granade a bit, and not just be a worse version of it

[rough carbon]

It doesn't need to seize your aim like the stun

[runic mauve]

u thinking it would do anything if u miss?

[runic mauve]

oh yeah def not, also not 'glitch' u ehter

[rough carbon]

Like ricochet?

There isn't anything in the game that does that yet

[runic mauve]

yeah or more like a bullet, if u hit someone theyre set on fire, but if u miss it doesnt do anythging

or would it be an explosion?

[rough carbon]

Stationary hotspot for a few seconds

Like a burning arrow

[runic mauve]

it could be like a mini explosion barrel, it it hasnt suffert enough 'damage' it bounces off walls and spirals wherever. A direct hit would make it explode instantly. And it explodes after it traveled a certain distance

and a direct hit also stops your momentum, if we want that slow duration thing I mentioned earlier

[runic mauve]

Thoughts on a new medium gadget thats basically a combination of the tracking dart and motion sensor or sonar granade. It would stick to walls, but not people. This could also just be a tracking dart buff, but it might be too strong if every dart shot gets value. And the darts that dont hit players would have to have a shorter duration and not as frequent pulses.

Im unsure exacly what the gadget would look like, but a tought I had was that it could be some sort of crossbow or a slingshot with one ammo (?). It shoots a shot of goo that u can walk on, or a mini-goo u cant walk on, depending on how we feel about that. This goo would have a tracking device inside or on the outside of it.

If the goo thing is a good idea, shooting a player with it would trap them like normal goo, and emit one pulse before getting destoryed. The weapon would shoot a projectile like the goo gun, but only one. The pulse itself would be pretty large, larger than most other tracking gadgets but have a pretty short duration, pulsing maybe 2 or 3 times and getting destroyed after 3-5 seconds.

Every detection items was removed from medium, giving light more of an objective other than kill, which I like. But medium is a jack-of-all-trades kind of class so I'd like at least some tracking capabilities.

[restive plover]

would be a great idea

[lyric iron]

can we hotfix the stun gun like out of existence please

[runic mauve]

an interesting change that doesnt make it too weak (imo) but also keeps it in the game, cuz I live the concept of it. Just dont apply the 'glitched' effect, as in force the hit target to only use their weapon. It could interupt the person, but doesnt lock you from interacting with stuff, and the slow would still be there.

also increase the cooldown?

[tame quiver]

i got 1650 n 8gb ram , ryzen 5 amd , game will run smooth?

[runic mauve]

Im unsure, not a big tech guy, try asking in #💥┇spawn-point or #⚡┇the-finals-chat. Its usually more active and ur question would fit better there as well

[chrome hemlock]

People are hardcore sleeping on the tracking dart. All it's going to take is one youtuber talking about it and people are going to jump on it

[inland breach]

My first rank 6 when it was still on Mediums. It already fired refridgerators for darts and they buffed it anyways therefore l will abuse it until the day it gets toned down. But yes the value is insane 🙌🔥

[runic mauve]

I agree, loved it on medium, but I dont play light often so I havent used it much this season.

[viscid herald]

wahts yall thoughts on the sa1216? def needs to be slighlty buffed imo

[hidden vapor]

Tbh I feel like throwing dagger right click needs its windup speed lowered

[chrome hemlock]

this guy gets it

[pseudo owl]

Ks23 buff

👉👈

[potent temple]

What does tracking dart do that's so good?

[pseudo owl]

It's great at getting kills when paired with the riot shield

[potent temple]

Riot shield is medium and tracking dart is light. What does it do currently that's so good?

[supple oracle]

i had a few noticable teammates that took advantage of the my Tracking darts
one light would literaly LOCK-IN to any tracked enemy i hit, and he always won...

the other was when i had 2 mgl-32 heavies on my team and whoever i tracked or sonar'd they would just shoot their grenades and no matter where the enemy was they would always hit them since they know the EXACT location, that was the most funny and fun interaction i had with the tracking dart

felt like playing fetch with 2 pitbulls

i just like tracking dart since i have been using sniper lately on light, and tracking dart helps alot to tell my team where the bad guys, especially when i'm a good position (that means in the open and far) to defend and a great direct view of the cashout to defend it when needed

[opal belfry]

I have a idea for a weapon for the light contestants

[rough carbon]

Good idea we should do this one

[lean solstice]

What is the best loadout for light?

[opal belfry]

The gun is The Excutioner from Bo2

[rough carbon]

whats that, black ops?

[limber gull]

https://tenor.com/view/finals-the-finals-thefinals-reachthefinals-gif-8766622709663760017

[eager venture]

How long does the tracking dart last?

[mellow lodge]

15 seconds

[lone ibex]

wtf is tfav1012

[foggy thorn]

few hours

[mystic nimbus]

Holy crap

[supple oracle]

tracking dart my beloved

medium had too many good toys, i'm actually happy light got sonar and tracking now

light felt he dint had any gadgets that clicked with me

although heavy's motion sensor still needs some fucking love

tried pairing motion sensor with mgl-32, works for the first guy that you can shoot at the wall to hit him without needing LoS, but you destroy your own motion sensor...

so no point in doing that

[tropic kettle]

[analog crescent]

can we reduce the visual recoil on the V9S and the LH1 for the light? probably the main set back from making them a viable weapon choice

[mellow lodge]

lh1 is argueably the best light gun rn

[raven perch]

agreed

[mellow lodge]

🫡

[tranquil valley]

so how do i perform better w xp

[mellow lodge]

wdym?

[tranquil valley]

xp54

[mellow lodge]

i mean why you asking how to perform better with xp in relation to me saying lh1 best light gun?

lh1 is only better if you are hitting headshots, xp still just as good as it

which is why i say argueably the best as it's either xp or lh1 that is the best light gun

[upbeat iris]

It was buffed. They nerfed it a few updates ago. But I miss it so much 🥺

[mellow lodge]

it's still meta

[upbeat iris]

For sure but you have to have a more coordinated team now imo. Less of a solo Q weapon than it was

[mellow lodge]

it's still on heavy therefore making it still godly and a solo q weapon

it's only real weakness is another heavy ig

[viscid herald]

freezing cold take 🥶 by that logic motion sensor is op

[mellow lodge]

i'm talking weapons, the only bad heavy weapons are mgl and sledge

also even when using those weapons heavy still has mesh, dome and rpg

and even if a heavy was using motion sensor it's not gonna make the class worse in any way

[scarlet bone]

nerf flamethrowers so that they dont go through shields that heavys can put down

[restive plover]

That's one of the flamethrower's few strong points.

[mellow lodge]

yeah the other strong point is it's fucked DOT 💀 like that melts me instantly

[hexed pier]

Or removable/additional scopes and iron sights for every weapon

[kind orchid]

Need white skin for Specializations #WhiteAsRice

[restive plover]

I thought even with the dot it still had some of the lowest dps in the game.

[mellow lodge]

idk i've heard it's glitched rn so it does way more than it really should be doing

[potent temple]

Give Medium a gun that has aimbot and that can shoot through walls and doesn't need to reload

[proven horizon]

BEST COD EVER MADE

[restive plover]

cap BO2 was the best

[nova nest]

make the akm have no recoil and fcars scope

[supple oracle]

Ah, a beloved change to my MG32L, now my teammates arent going to kill me by accident anymore

and solo beggars got what they wanted, hopefully that keeps em quiet

[frank eagle]

please a impact genade would be awsome has less damage radiaus than frag but if you get hit dead on does 149 damage,

[uncut lark]

makes me think of a throwing knife or tomahawk but instead of explosion it just does dmg on impact or maybe does dmg through shields

[worn smelt]

I actually cannot believe there were no balance changes this update. is this the devs saying that they believe their game is balanced? At this point its frustrating how the game has been going on like this for months now.

[polar raven]

so basically the same damage as frag but 10x easier to hit...?

[frank eagle]

kinda but lot smaller radius like 5metres or so.

[polar raven]

5 meters is crazy

[frank eagle]

maybe more then idk

[polar raven]

how big do you think the frag radius is??

[frank eagle]

is 5m lots?

[worn smelt]

5 m diameter maybe

[knotty nimbus]

how is xp earned for aps turret?

[frank eagle]

i think when it destroys a projectile

[worn smelt]

just use it

[knotty nimbus]

yeah I am using it a lot but I’m not getting much xp for it..

[worn smelt]

every time you deploy it and whenever it destroys a projectile you get a little bit of xp. some gadgets just take longer to level up. there really isn't anything else you can do except keep using it frequently

[lavish gate]

those new weapon skins are. Not It ngl

[rough carbon]

rip barricade elevator

[viscid herald]

whic class needs a new weapon ?

[obsidian gust]

a SMG for medium would be pretty cool or some type of AR for heavy

[unreal oar]

The FAMAS should have been the SMG for the Medium class, high fire rate, accurate, lower damage but rewards tracking with ttk to compete with fcar close range, we would see way more variety from on mediums

[obsidian gust]

i mean it still can they just need to maybe buff the rate of fire or damage or maybe nerf fcar to make them equal

[steady wave]

93r r trash

[paper sentinel]

I know it’s been said already but they really need to nerf the heavy’s damage

[unreal oar]

I say buff Famas, although people complain now, we’ll see a whole new issue pop up if we start lower the Fcar ttk.
This game is already HHM full-sending in higher ranked lobbies, if medium class doesnt have a way to beat out an overly aggressive heavy player, then the sweats will just switch to 350hp+Lewis Gun and walk down on anyone without fear unless they’re also a heavy. Even though this isn’t a 1v1 game, not every situation you’ll have another person to shoot with you. We can’t make mediums lose to heavies by default, at that point balance is out the window because why not pick heavy? heavy has powerful weapons & tools plus extra health. The only thing keeping them in check is the killing power other classes can enact on them for being too careless

[cinder notch]

Anyone know if the new patch change to projectiles allows rpg to pass through teammates?

[unreal oar]

I think heavy is in a good place in terms of damage. Although their ability to to delete people with headshots can make high skilled heavies feel like an extreme barrier to make it pass.

[paper sentinel]

You say it way better than I do

[cinder notch]

So only lewis/m60 with headshots are the problem? Maybe a lower hs mult would fix that.

[unreal oar]

Well when I’m getting shot by the m60 I normally have no complaints, but sometimes the lewis gun ( because it starts so accurate) can beam you for multiple headshots and delete your health in a way that seems off for someone with 350hp. In most situations you’ll HAVE to get headshots on a heavy to kill them before they kill you, if they do the same you’ll lose everytime. Now this makes sense, I’m not too troubled by this fact— but could you imagine if we nerf FCAR damage, removing one of the heavy player’s biggest threats? You’ll get Aped like it’s Apex Legends by HHM & HHH comps

[cinder notch]

I'd honestly be okay with heavy having less accurate weapons more suited for up close anyways. Maybe lewis should just have more spread

[paper sentinel]

This would probably help a lot

[lusty ibex]

Dont nerf Lewis again, the recoil is horrible enough.

Been playing this gun since open beta and dont wanna stop playing heavy due to the 100th heavy nerf 😅

[violet cosmos]

the lewis is still the best heavy weapon by a mile

and its the 2nd best gun in the game

1st is FCAR

[worn flicker]

Adding a vote to say that Healing Beams should be team colored like Mesh and Dome Shields.

[sudden chasm]

And it has potential to be dope. Its unfortunate

[vague monolith]

Heavy's damage is fine, except on the auto weapons. Other heavy weapons are some degree of unreliable/situational so it feels fair, but the lewis gun and m60 should either be less accurate, have huge damage fall off, or do less damage overall l

To add to this, don't touch heavy until medium is in a better place. As of right now it's nice that medium isn't the only optimal choice

[whole vine]

yeah the m60 is great. 20+ kills most games with it

in a 1 on 1 gunfight with a medium tho you die unless they miss like 5 shots in a row

its always close tho

[vague monolith]

I need to run the m60 again, I put it away after I unlocked the lewis gun close to launch

[whole vine]

yeah i used to like the lewis gun a lot but ever since i started playing heavy again the m60 has been my bread and butter

The mag size too is crazy

anyone ever think that heavy has too much health?👀

[vague monolith]

In quick cash I run the new shotgun and the hammer as a backup, but it's hard to pass up the reliability of the auto guns in ranked

[waxen tartan]

for the high dmg that they do yeah

[whole vine]

like maybe just a tiny bit? as far as with the weapons we have to use against heavys

[whole vine]

Right right

[vague monolith]

I think the health is fine everything but the LMGs lol. Like you kind of need the HP on the hammer and flamethrower, but it feels unfair at midrange sometimes

[waxen tartan]

lik their abilities of shields and stuff suits them well as tanks but in most case tanks arent supposed to have most of the high dmg weapons

[unreal oar]

This specifically, this is why the fcar feels needed. When two heavies run down on you, the fcar is the only gun you have the chance of burning one down with— in time to get away hopefully or at least trade. Ak would take a lot of headshots, which a good player won’t let you do easily

[whole vine]

yeah. i think they were think of heavy players being big oafs not able to hit their shots as much and so needing a huge mag but i play heavy and get an insane combat score everytime. if damage was lower id still be able to shred some health so my team could finish

[waxen tartan]

i like theyre health and the weapons like the hammer and the new shotguns... it matches the playsyle of a thank. I rlly think that the lmgs are just inapropriate for this class because it transform them from tank to one of the main fighters

[unreal oar]

I dont want to see nerfs, I want to see more weapons honestly, but for now some tuning to AKM & Famas, the need to have more of a purpose when most of the game is close range firefights

[whole vine]

it also seems like as a light, even going against one heavy you never know whats going to happen. unless you have a stun gun and an m11 haha

[vague monolith]

Maybe they should make the LMGs highly inaccurate unless you're standing completely still? Like it's good at holding a position, but it's borderline useless if you aren't set up

[unreal oar]

Maybe heavy’s auto weapons should kill at the speed of AKM more than the FCAR, but keep damage over distance since they’re LMGs

[whole vine]

facts, but its hard to think about sometimes cause like, if you make certain weapons more viable to kill heavys, what are we gonna be able to do to lights yk

[unreal oar]

No, recoil nerfs feel awful. Honestly

[waxen tartan]

yes and even when u stun, if they have lmgs they can still kill you before you can

[whole vine]

i can see that

[vague monolith]

Yeah it's weird because the LMGs currently feel good to use, they're just too good in every situation

Like you MIGHT miss your shots on a melee light, but only if you're straight up panicking

[waxen tartan]

thats an awesome idea

[whole vine]

yeah some of the best guns + the highest health in the game, how could you not win most gunfights

[unreal oar]

Akm doesnt need more damage, but they NEED to get rid of that initial recoil jump. We all know the akm is more accurate in general, but those first few shots are what determine a fight, when FCAR gets his initial beam off & your trying to dodge and shoot, a good player will wrap u up nice & quick

Just let akm be accurate ol reliable & PLEASE give it back some range damage, let it beat the fcar reliably at mid (within reason). Let FCAR be mainly for close range and only poke at mid

[whole vine]

facts. what do we think about a whole new weapon thats specifically more effective against heavies but not as effective agianst med/light? just a quick thought

[vague monolith]

That's creeping into rock paper scissors territory which generally doesn't feel good in shooters

[whole vine]

true

[unreal oar]

For which class medium? The only way that would make sense is to have some with a very fast fire rate but loww damage. The trick is heavy has a huge hit box so tracking & beaming him will be super easy— give it a competitive ttk. (Lights and medium have smaller hitboxes so dipping and dodging will drop the ttk of the weapon severely

[whole vine]

i can see that

[vague monolith]

Would a high spread gun with low recoil accomplish that? It makes hitting a bigger hit box easier without explicitly being for that

[unreal oar]

The Famas should have been that , but for some reason they decided to make it a burst weapon— & now because the Community complained so much about getting beamed from rooftops, the devs are cautious about making the Famas a heavy hitter

[austere sinew]

Just want to say WOMP WOMP dunno why just felt like it so deal with it haha

[vague monolith]

Famas is good and bad at what the FCAR should have been good and bad at

[austere sinew]

I agree but am not really a big fan off the famas I rather use the ak coz the recoil is a lot smoother than the fcar in my opinion

[rough carbon]

How's the hipfire on the famas and m93r

[unreal oar]

Well yes, because you have to keep things within reason. Do we want a situation where guns are doing different damage numbers based on your character?? Maybe way down the line after the game has an absurd weapon list where they need to overhaul….. but for now i don’t think so. High ROF weapon with LOW damage per bullet, means you’re rewarded for tracking hard over an extended period— which will be hard to do on smaller targets that are dipping and dodging, giving you an indirect nerf against said targets

[whole vine]

but when the gunfight starts you may be able to get a good beam on the head maybe

[rough carbon]

I think you should be able to boogie board the riot shield when sliding

[whole vine]

youre right tho. weapon list may be too small for that rn

[unreal oar]

So an initial recoil similar to akm should be placed on this gun & give a real accurate initial recoil to akm

[whole vine]

im all for that

[unreal oar]

Hopefully a dev sees

[whole vine]

but honestly a lot of times it seems as long as you outplay a heavy you should be good

[rough carbon]

How about a passive gadget that allows walljumps

[whole vine]

but in a lot of situations if youre a med or light and you happen to waltz into a room with a heavy you just get swallowed hahah

[whole vine]

oooo that sounds cool

for which class?

[rough carbon]

Trading a gadget spot for more mobility sounds nice

[rough carbon]

Probably light, maybe mediums and heavies can have a longer slide

[vague monolith]

Wall jumps would be awesome on light

[whole vine]

what about wall RUN👀

can still jump. just giving it a lil more

[unreal oar]

Yea, heavy v heavy is a skill/gear battle. Most enjoyable 1v1s next to the Cloaked Light 1v1 (no thermal)

[whole vine]

big facts

[whole vine]

i meant med/light btw lol

my bad

[unreal oar]

Oh, yea lights have the chance to maybe run, but medium definitely have the chance to kill that straight up fight ( only if you have the FCAR). It’s in the heaviest favor but he can be punished hard for being to cocky & not playing their shield/charge/goo properly

[whole vine]

right cause against a medium in that type of situation, as long as i drop my dome sheild and weave in and out of it, the medium cant do shit

but wihtout doing that a lot of times ill die with like a two bullet difference

[unreal oar]

Yo! The amount of times I’ve dropped a heavy near death, chased them around the corner thinking I have time to make it inside the dome shield—- only to get de-leted 😂 edit: it’s a good strategy

[wheat kindle]

Make heavy a team thing, i keep dying by solo heavys

[whole vine]

Fr. i feel like a super soldier as a heavy. Charge,M60,RPG,Dome,Barricade

To be honest tho i think a flashbang makes a huge difference in a fight. Light/Med both have it

[vague monolith]

Every time I run flashbangs I wish I had smoke instead

I'm silver so it could just be a skill issue lmao

[unreal oar]

They already are the best team centered class, the thing is really good players can push movement and aim with such a powerful class that it can feel overwhelming. I think we just need another medium gun that can comfortably compete with a heavy

[unreal oar]

You can play heavy as a super medium basically & medium as a super light with Demat. Thing about heavy is once the skill difference is close , you feel that hitbox your lugging around and how easily people can line it up for a whole clip

[whole vine]

Thats facts

[golden yacht]

I had an interesting idea for some gadget interactions. When floating in the zero gravity, I think if a player throws a goo grenade at you, you should get launched out of the zero gravity zone. Or any object hitting you like a chair or something. Grenades could work too but you’d take damage. The goo gun could be very good at this. Allowing you to help your teammates move in and out of it easier. Maybe if you got hit from below, you launch up. This could give a buff to goo grenade and goo gun and zero grav all at once

Like the goo hits you and you take its momentum and the goo stops. Almost like a cue ball hitting another pool ball

[meager prism]

So basically anything wich is thrown at you just pushes you out of the range of the anti-gravity grenade?

anyway, I'm still not happy, that the MGL32's projectile doesn't explode on impact such as the Cl-40. And the low Gravity game event screws it up even more, making it incredibly hard to hit enemies wich are close.

[amber cloak]

MGl32 is already really bad close range

[meager prism]

Thats why they should make the projectile hit on impact, not after a few bounces.

explode*

[carmine rock]

The Riod shield needs a buff..

2 great suggestions:
Able to crouch while blocking.

And able to be immune to flashbangs while being in cover.

[meager prism]

Nah, just nerf sword instead.

[restive plover]

fr sword just ignores mesh shield

[candid prairie]

Sword is more of a skilled players thing I'm more irritated by always being outgunned by the FCAR

[meager prism]

nah sword users got Skill Issues

don't take it wrong, it's not hard to hold M2 and just chop down the enemy's head after 2 swings.

[alpine nimbus]

I feel like I'm playing duck hunt with the solid slug on heavy, blasting light out of the sky, id drop my wallet for a skin

[candid prairie]

Yeah not wrong at all but that's most of the weapons in the game between a sword player using evasive dash or the invisibility and dagger one shotting you in the back I'm just tired of turning a corner and getting melted 40 meters out from a team of mediums running FCAR heal guns aps turrets and turrets is what I seem to always come across the most if they don't have a heavy with the Lewis gun dome and mesh shield lights aren't ever really an issue depending on the game mode

[alpine nimbus]

At least the sword introduces creativity which is the best one can offer for me

[candid prairie]

Yes, I am terrible with it lol so I stay away pretty much anything melee unless I run heavy sniping has been fun lately

[meager prism]

yeah ngl Fcar still isn't ballanced yet. They're complaining about the 20 round mag wich is already too much to kill a full health heavy.

[alpine nimbus]

I can't play anything but melee and anything unorthodox, I just can't stay with basic guns for too long, I love the gadgets and quirky weapons

[meager prism]

have you tried the Sledgehammer goo gun combo?

[alpine nimbus]

Yes it's funny

[bright crypt]

We need some gimmicky but good weapons, the new heavy shotgun did a good job with that

[meager prism]

I tell ya, when I goo enemies up in the air, I just feel sorry for them. one player actually gave up on coming after me, because I glued him to the air too many times.

Also, new heavy weapon reload animations and inspect animations when?

[bright crypt]

I swear medium has 90% of these

[alpine nimbus]

I want a melee weapon that has a long charge up but great reward, maybe one shorting a medium or somethin

I guess the dagger kinda does that

[meager prism]

we got sledgehammer?

[alpine nimbus]

Sledge only one shot lights

[meager prism]

but a chainsaw wouldn't be bad or a minigun, right?

[alpine nimbus]

Chainsaw would be sick, even if it was just a skin, or maybe you latch onto people and start a animation depending on the build ( heavy to light) and changes based on health, but can still be killed out of it

[meager prism]

Imagine the Terror in the light players eyes. Just a big chunky dude with a mask Running at them for revenge against the sword. With a bloody chainsaw in their hands.

[supple oracle]

thats called a flamethrower

cant throw hands against those

[meager prism]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-nuh-uh-scout-tf2-gif-12750436057634665505

[bright crypt]

I still want to see one class literally throwing hands, brass knucles or boxing gloves

[meager prism]

new skin for sledgehammer, bare fists?

[alpine nimbus]

Fr I wanna play heavy from tf2

[restive plover]

new skin: a glass bottle for sledge

[vague monolith]

Chainsaw would be cool flavor wise, but functionally it wouldn't be different from the sledge in a meaningful way

[bright crypt]

Nah imagine a medium with these, he needs an alternate melee weapon, the same with heavy

[meager prism]

Scottish Cyclops real?

[alpine nimbus]

We need a tf2 colab now I will be depressed until then

[restive plover]

yep

[meager prism]

well, we got the Heavy but not the skin : (

[supple oracle]

i would like a pump action shotgun for heavy that aint no slugs...

and a non-double barrel shotgun for light

[alpine nimbus]

Day one of asking for a tf2 collaboration

[meager prism]

Valve would go on a sueing spree if Embark did a reference

[bright crypt]

Tf2 used to do a lot of collabs back in the day, sadly the game was abandoned by valve

[meager prism]

now that I really think about it. Shouldn't embark give each class a new melee weapon, except lights (considering they already have 2)?

[bright crypt]

Could yall imagine the heavy with a BAR?

The thing could have a cool gimmick, that weapon had 2 fire modes, full auto and fuller auto

[vague monolith]

Spear on medium could be cool. M1 is a long range poke, M2 is a faster charge than charge n slam, but can't break walls

[alpine nimbus]

Wasn't soldier a collar with quake

[meager prism]

Not a bar, how about a Fricking STOP sign?

[bright crypt]

Is time to stop!

[vague monolith]

I'm struggling to think of an alt melee on heavy, sledge kind of does everything you would want

[meager prism]

Do Embark even check these chats? I mean surely they listen to the community but only on steam if I'm not mistaken.

[bright crypt]

Everything but having a Quick attack rate

[vague monolith]

M2 plus v is fairly quick

[meager prism]

Tho the stun gun is a HUGE counter against sledge wich isn't fair.

[vague monolith]

Yeah getting stunned sucks for melee

[bright crypt]

Is a counter to almost anything tbf

[meager prism]

Petition to Delete Stun Gun. Sign here:

[restive plover]

I sign

[vague monolith]

The only thing I want deleted is the APS, it's so uninvolved to use and play against

[bright crypt]

Im surprised it hasn't been nerfed yet (ik they nerfed the range by 2 meters but that feel like a Hole in a net)

[meager prism]

even if it would last only 1 second it's still OP.

[vague monolith]

Stun is borderline useless against a lot of light and medium guns, but fucks heavies pretty hard

[bright crypt]

The problem with that would be that every grenade launcher would lost its only hard counter

[vague monolith]

Being on the high ground is pretty good against grenades

[bright crypt]

And mediums if the light actually knows what its doing and gets far from him

[meager prism]

yeah the CL-40 is already strong enugh, without the APS it would just shred

[vague monolith]

Idk man it's really lame not being able to use half of the gear in the game because somebody brought an APS

[meager prism]

look, noone can name an FPS game with different guns wich is ballanced.

[vague monolith]

Probably shouldn't eat goo grenades, smoke grenades, portals, flashbangs, pyro grenades, and most carriables for a long time with like 15 charges

[bright crypt]

I usually just shoot the thing or throw a explosive barrel at it

[vague monolith]

It's not broken or anything it's just really lame

[meager prism]

Well it's also annoying, that The goo gun's projectile also gets devoured by it. wich is just lame, since I'm trying to get near the enemy without them escaping.

[vague monolith]

It's just a fuck you don't be creative button

[bright crypt]

But honestly is the only reliable counter to nade spam

But the thing is a bit unreliable on where it draws the line from what is a projectile and what isn't, goo is a projectile but a giant barrel not?

[tranquil valley]

nah, you can only have 3 gadgets and these teammates not even using them, what are they gonna do with more options? same thing, to forget about it

[meager prism]

Is it just me, or grenades actually feel op now? each time I eat a grenade I am 1 shot by it.

[tranquil valley]

specially if it’s light players

[bright crypt]

Also the fact that it destroy projectiles behind walls

[vague monolith]

Through walls pisses me off to no end

[analog crescent]

mp5 is easily the best, no true reason to use anything else in a competitive setting. LH1 does have good damage but it is beat out in nearly everything else by the mp5. visibility while shooting is one these setbacks that i would like to see a change in, in order to balance the weapons available for more variable playstyles

[bright crypt]

I think a good nerf would be giving it an actual fire rate, like half second window could allow some grenades to impact

[meager prism]

You know what we need? New weapons wich we get between Season updates, not aferwards. it's lame to wait + 80 days just to get 3 weapons. But I get the point, that they also require time to even think of new ideas, and make it happen.

[bright crypt]

They could plan 6 and release 3 on launch and 3 mid season, the thing is it could lead to some poor testing and we could end with either useless weapons or weapons able to melt a heavy 2 times faster than a Fcar

Also it could lead to an oversaturation of weapons just like what happened to modern cod, hundreds of weapons and almost every single one feels the same

[meager prism]

Well I'm still pissed, that lights have 2 melee weapons, while Medium and Heavy only got 1.

[rocky loom]

Guys what do we think about heavy getting a ball and chain

[bright crypt]

The problem would be making something different, all 4 melee weapons have something unique, but im 100% down for a chainsaw

[rocky loom]

I think chainsaw would be cool but what niche would it fill

Ball and chain could be a little longer range than sledge or maybe have aoe

I think a scorpion grab harpoon would be cool too

[bright crypt]

Fits heavy well, could have a long range for melee standars, maybe a really slow weapon but with a hit that would make a light just straight uo avoid CQB

[meager prism]

Well, here are a few ideas I've gathered from this chat

[bright crypt]

I would love ti see heavy going full berserker with his hands, just make it a fast attack speed and maybe add a hook that makes heavy move fowar to close the distance, or make the hook push enemies

[meager prism]

Ngl Nunchucks are a good idea aswell

[bright crypt]

The problem would be making a heavy attack for it

[rough carbon]

If spear provides some sorta charge that might be fun

[bright crypt]

Fix bayonets!!!!!

[rough carbon]

Trench map when

[meager prism]

actually, how about a fricking Shovel?

[bright crypt]

They gonna add a spoon skin to the sledge hammer

And what is a spoon but a smaller shovel

[meager prism]

Are they tho?

[rocky loom]

I saw a leak somewhere that seemed credible but I forgot where

Re: spoon skin

[bright crypt]

You havent seen the posible real leak? Is one of these skins that the community wanted for a long time

[meager prism]

Embark be like: Get your fresh Spoon skin for Sledgehammer, just only 1100 Vbucks!

[bright crypt]

If it only has a charm and a sticker it would be 800

If they add a whole spoon man set then it could be 2200

[meager prism]

btw, how can others see the Vote? it's pretty much up now.

We need it pinned, that could fix it.

[bright crypt]

I think everyone that is currently sending messages

[meager prism]

I have a feeling, that we ain't getting a new melee weapon next season.

[bright crypt]

Who knows, you can only add so many ballistic weapons until it becomes repetitive

[meager prism]

Like, it's only fair, that lights get 1 new gun, while Medium and Heavy gets a new Melee

[rocky loom]

What if heavy gets throwing bricks

[meager prism]

YOooo, let the Man Cook

[rocky loom]

Like a heavy version of throwing knives

[bright crypt]

As a gadged "pocket sand"

[meager prism]

if it was a bundle, it would also contain a sticker named 'GET BRICKED' or smt like that

[rocky loom]

Hahaha id get it just for that

[bright crypt]

Tbh I see it more as a grenade skin for some reason

[meager prism]

I HAVE AN IDEA. How about a Construction worker Bundle? it would contain a full Construction worker set since there is a game modifier 'Under Construction'.

[bright crypt]

Unless they play with the fact that heavy is the class that can throw stuff further, like imagine getting sniped by a brick

[meager prism]

I'd be pissed ngl.

[bright crypt]

I would laugh if it does enough damage to 1 shot a light with a headshot

[meager prism]

That would Teach them a lesson.

[bright crypt]

Oh you taze me? *makes a fist size dent on his skull *

[meager prism]

Oh, that's a skull fracture for sure! -Scout tf2

[manic yarrow]

Buff stun gun

[bright crypt]

Make it have a 50% chance of tazing the user (for a day as a joke)

[meager prism]

80% to die of heart-attack for user.

[manic yarrow]

Tbh they should let the defibs do stun damage, it would cut back on the amount of revives you see from mediums and allow for a different playstyle

[bright crypt]

Also the disrespect

[meager prism]

With the new Defib skin, it'd be like: 'Yo hold this for a second' 'whops'

[bright crypt]

If being killed by one could make someone rage quit imagine if it also could stun

[manic yarrow]

They gotta act like the Helldivers devs "We made it so the defibs could stun opponents with their one use. Why? Because its hilarious obviously."

[meager prism]

well, I mean you can kill an enemy with the Defib, but it doesn't deal that much damage.

We need a 'Shadow Wizzard Money Gang' bundle.

[manic yarrow]

KS 23 could have a magic wand/staff skin it doesnt have ADS so it would make sense

[meager prism]

Nukes as new gadget, maybe?

Right, I'll go get some darn rest. otherwise I'll be dead tomorrow. Peace out

[manic yarrow]

They just got to allow non arena carriables to be nukes like trash bags and chairs

[supple oracle]

Yes

[runic mauve]

has anyone else noticed throwing knives require waaay more exp compared to other weapons

20k exp for yellow and 24k exp for blue

other weapons and gadgets have a set 9k exp for both

[rough carbon]

Add flare gun as a soft counter to cloaks

[warm mulch]

Like is it possible to do a slingshot movement tech with the jump pad and either a zip line or grapple hook?. Like I find my self really slow in gunfights and being able to move at breakneck speeds as a medium to piss off a light would be the highlight of my day honestly.

[rough carbon]

You can b-hop with the grapple if you hook the ground

[warm mulch]

Really? I know you could do it with the jump pad but not the grapple

Honestly I was hoping it could be more like titanfall 2' movement with the way the physics worked but oh well

[rough carbon]

Bind jump to down scroll and roll it when you get some momentum, if you timed it right you can get two bounces out of it before you go back to regular speed

[warm mulch]

Nice tip

[rough carbon]

You can do the same with sword and dash, its a little less consistent but the yield for distance is better

But with grapple you can hop with any weapon

[warm mulch]

Hmm interesting

[rough carbon]

https://youtu.be/q9qEsRnmn-M?si=pBqsHDxxGqGawNNm here's a short example of the sword hop

Wish I had the grapple footage I dont

[oak coral]

Does stun gun deal any damage?

[worn stump]

no

[stiff ember]

Would be crazy if heavy got a deployable turret that teammates can hop on and use, kinda like Tachanka's old ability from R6

[tough stream]

Anyone else having trouble with the new defibrillator skin in game?

[atomic lily]

they gotta add lightsaber skin for the sword

[severe ocean]

thats dope

[versed holly]

The finals should add a bow and arrow

Like a tactical bow and arrow

[rough carbon]

crossbow for light, greatbow for med and portible ballista for heavy

[stiff ember]

Minigun for heavy

[restive plover]

what if they add like a claw gadget for heavy, similar to Roadhog's hook, where if you can land the claw on someone you can pull them towards you, I mean heavy is pretty slow and maybe a gadgets can accomodate for that

[stiff ember]

now were talking

[vague monolith]

that sounds like a cool idea, but I'm worried in practice that would be about as annoying as the stun gun

[stiff ember]

They need a repeater rifle for medium or heavy

[restive plover]

well yeah they'd probably have a little bit of a bigger cooldown so that it is not as constant

[supple oracle]

4-Bore rifle, the largest shoulder-fired rifle you can shoot

[stiff ember]

elephant rifle for heavy

[supple oracle]

Elephant is nothing compared to the 4-bore

[vague monolith]

What if it pulled terrain towards you? Like a chunk of wall or support beam down.

[supple oracle]

if we want ridiculous big guns for heavy, the 4-bore is a prime option

[stiff ember]

blunderbuss for heavy

[supple oracle]

would rather have a meaty pump action :( (NOT A SLUG)

[compact pagoda]

honestly a really good idea, would help with the heavies lack of movement and give them a chance to engage, but it would need to be at least a 15 second cooldown. it could also help with third parties and allow you a chance to pull somebody off the cashout. And to the guy below you, his point is valid. We dont really want anymore annoying skilless CC in The Finals. But if yall have ever played Roadhog, than you know that his hook is a skill shot and if you miss, tough luck. Not to mention it would have some decent travel time and a range of 20-25 meters. It would be a lot more skillfull than stun gun IMO.

[stiff ember]

what if they added a gadget kinda like the guardian from bo2

[compact pagoda]

lowk good idea aswell, give it multipurpose so players arent always targeted

[restive plover]

only thing is that the claw cannot have any aim assist, because then it'd have to decide whether to go for wall or a player when you're in rooms

[compact pagoda]

well it would have to have some sort of system like that, because going for a player all for it to hit a wall because and break it because you werent on the same ping as them would be very unfun to play. It would need some sort of ping forgiveness at the very least.

[stiff ember]

They should add a ability for lights/medium to hack other peoples gadgets (mines, aps', turrets)

[compact pagoda]

sombra all over again😭 (not a bad idea though lowk)

[stiff ember]

whats a sombra

[restive plover]

hacking does fit the game's digital themeing

[compact pagoda]

one of the worst characters in all of gaming. she basically is a permanent invis hacker assassin with a 5 second ability lock hack and a "translocator" that allows her to go back to any part of the map.

[stiff ember]

SPAS 12? Would kinda fit the aesthetic of the game, plus its pump and semi auto so its embarks discretion to make it pump or semi

[stiff ember]

yucky

[compact pagoda]

thats what i thought the slug shotgun would be. I love the idea of a spas in this game

[stiff ember]

missed opportunity

[compact pagoda]

fr, who even asked for a shotgun with travel time anyways...

[stiff ember]

lol fr, this isnt tarkov, we didnt want the ks23

[compact pagoda]

not a soul ever asked for that thing

[stiff ember]

YOO imagine an explosive crossbow? Kinda like in black ops

[restive plover]

I mean given that we have a grenade launcher I dont see why not

[stiff ember]

Plus it'll take more skill to actually hit players and stick them

[restive plover]

exactly

[compact pagoda]

you guys think the devs even look at these chats

[restive plover]

Also I love bow and arrows so like I'm definetly gonna vouch for that

[compact pagoda]

def a hanzo main lmao

[restive plover]

how did you know?

[compact pagoda]

i could just tell

[stiff ember]

although i wouldnt know how do against being healed while the explosive arrow is stuck on to them

[restive plover]

maybe it reduces heal intake a little bit

[compact pagoda]

💯

[stiff ember]

OHH YEAH, kinda like bleeding out in last of us 2

you get hit with an arrow and it takes health off in increments until you take out the arrow

[compact pagoda]

then again they cant overcomplicate the game too much, people already bitch enough as is. maybe it could work as an anti at the same time. gives the effect of not being able to be healed at all for X amount of seconds.

[stiff ember]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-low-rank-low-rank-rankism-shut-up-i-have-a-higher-rank-than-you-shut-up-gif-21516126

[compact pagoda]

would aslo help counter the hard medium meta we have rn👀

[stiff ember]

This is what i say to them ^^

[restive plover]

i mean if its and explosive arrow its gonna blow up on them after sticking for a few seconds

[compact pagoda]

so valid lmao

[flat fern]

They should make it for the heavy

[stiff ember]

But to simplify it, i think they should def make bow and arrow/crossbow a thing

[restive plover]

yes, as long as there is a bow and arrow in some capacity im using it

[stiff ember]

It would be cool if they had like bleed damage if you get hit by one, but it wouldnt stack on

[compact pagoda]

lmao imgaine just getting domed by three bows with stacking bleed, shit would be too funny

[stiff ember]

so you get hit by one, you need to pull it out, but youre hit by 2 (or more) you just need to take out the onethat initially hit you

[stiff ember]

YOO that would be hell

[restive plover]

yeah I think heavy would probably be the best class to give it to

medium can work as well, just not lights, they dont need another sniper esque

[compact pagoda]

i feel like medium would actually make the most sense, but they dont need any new weapons tbh

[stiff ember]

Oh yeah for sure, like an english long bow or crossbow

[haughty vigil]

Ya I feel like they could do like two mint cross bows

[stiff ember]

Absolutely

[restive plover]

I think also a minigun for the heavy class would make sense

[haughty vigil]

I neeeeed them to either nerf or get rid of the turrets

[restive plover]

it would definetly need a chargeup though

[stiff ember]

I mentioned it earlier but what if we got a deployable turret that you can use 😂

Like tachanka's old ability

[restive plover]

probably be a specialization

[restive plover]

and given that its one you're manually sitting in probably give it to the heavy

[stiff ember]

heavy sits on it with two med pocketting the heavy 😂

[restive plover]

ofc it would need some limitations

[supple oracle]

a minigun specialization that you can place and your team can use sounds...reasonable

[restive plover]

like rampart? sounds good to me

[supple oracle]

pairing it with the barricade will be a must have though

[compact pagoda]

just make the barracades taller than the minigun, solves that real quick

[restive plover]

baerricades are kind of short anyways

[compact pagoda]

wouldnt mind the buff either way tbh

[restive plover]

maybe a little bit taller

I also saw an idea where the minigun itself is a specialization

like an actual minigun weapon that you carry

of course you will not be able to reload it and it will have a cooldown in substitute of reloading

they also need to give it higher recoil so it's not a skilless specialization

then again if you equip it you're choosing it over specs like the mesh shield so you do have less protection when using it

[stiff ember]

Or you can shoot one thing of goo behind the barricade and prop the placed turret on that so you can shoot over the barricade

[restive plover]

i mean then again the barricades are not invincible and can be destroyed pretty easily if you shoot it enough times

[stiff ember]

yeah very true

[restive plover]

so even if you do play minigun barricade that won't last very long if they are continuosly shooting at the barricade

[stiff ember]

Would the minigun work as a cool down or have limited capacity until reload?

What if heavy got a grapple hook 😂

for movement lol

[polar raven]

heavy shouldnt have good movement

[stiff ember]

booooo

[polar raven]

all classes should have weaknesses thats like saying give light a gadget that gives it a 150hp shield

[urban mango]

Nice guys finish last

[stiff ember]

Thats why il'll treat you like trash

[urban mango]

womp womp

[stiff ember]

its not what i really want to do

but you only date bad guys, so ill give it my best try to treat you the way you want me to

[urban mango]

+1

Common W for heavy players

[stiff ember]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-low-rank-low-rank-rankism-shut-up-i-have-a-higher-rank-than-you-shut-up-gif-21516126

^^ me to lights

[supple oracle]

I LOVE LIGHTS ON MY TEAM, THEY ALWAYS DIE WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING TO HELP THE TEAM

LOVE SNIPER LIGHTS EVEN MORE, CAUSE THEY NEVER DO JACK SHIT TO HELP

[stiff ember]

^common light teammate

[long hare]

Depends on what you're going on.
if it's plat, politely to get their scrawny asses on top of the crane and lock that plat down

cashout? I agree. Sword lights are probably the sweatiest players and all they do is use a gimmick tbh.

Learning how to aim as light is like being handed the thunderbolt of Zeus and the sandals of Hermes.

[polar raven]

what does that even mean

[long hare]

aimlabs that's what I mean

[stiff ember]

lool

[supple oracle]

why sniper is a free base weapon for light is beyond me

new players can't do shit with it

[long hare]

and isn't it like the only free weapon iirc?

or am I just mentally cooked.

[supple oracle]

M11 and Sniper are base weapons for light/new players

[long hare]

yeah..

and heavy gets sledge. medium gets just the akm and errrrrrrr
Shield

Two of the classes come free with melee weapons

[restive plover]

maybe instead of a gadget they should make the claw a spec

[long hare]

that wouldn't go over so well if you think about it in technicality.
giving players the ability of not just the best possible stealth but also combine it with the high momentum build-up of grapple?..
yeah, nah. Light would be impossible to catch after a hit and run.

Sure, It'd be fun to play!
but against? Good fucking luck lmao

[restive plover]

the claw would be a spec for heavys

[long hare]

are you okay?

I'm genuinely dumbfounded at what you're saying right now.

[restive plover]

how would a claw give someone stealth

[long hare]

The claw isn't stealth, the claw is manuverability.
so from what I'm gathering pretty much here

is that you want every class to be able to grapple right.

[restive plover]

no

when did that ever come up in the convo about the claw idea

[long hare]

I'm baked okay

[restive plover]

my bad champ

[long hare]

I honestly thought you were referring to light

[restive plover]

nah that'd be fucked

[long hare]

really would be. reading up yeah.

a light being able to just tear apart walls sounds honestly horrifying.

[restive plover]

besides it wouldn't make much sense of how a 5 foot 1 can take down walls with their raw strength

[long hare]

I honestly think they're much shorter than 5'1.
but I mean it's like. A video game world. so like the parameters of strength probably wouldn't exactly be like irl unless in-lore the contestants are all given certain strength parameters

I mean if someone the size of the heavy IRL tried to I dunno.
leap and break a ceiling?
I'd expect a chunky hospital bill

[restive plover]

its not really based on real life, its just how the game presents lights, the light class are quick and can do high amounts of damage, and heavys are slow but they do more environmental damage and have more hp, giving lights an ability to break down walls easily just wouldn't make sense fundementally for this game

[supple oracle]

just had 1 match where 2 enemy teams and mine just engaged in a deathmatch, while the 4th team just got 2 cashouts for free

CAUSE THE OTHER 2 ENEMY TEAMS WOULDN'T GET OFF OUR D***

[dreamy hedge]

BUFF THE MGL32

[restive plover]

yeah I've been in games where me and my friends are sitting there with a 22k cashout and no one shows up because they're contesting the cashout being contested by everyone else

[dreamy hedge]

can we all agree that the MGL32 needs to be either buffed or removed in the next update?

[long hare]

pft

[restive plover]

I mean maybe it could use some changes to make it better

[dreamy hedge]

yea

it needs a buff

[restive plover]

at least now you can shoot the nades through teammates so that they dont body block your shots

[supple oracle]

it wasn't even 3 teams in 1 cashout, it was just bloody team deatchmatch cause the lights wouldn't fuck off

my team couldn't even do a cashbox because they were just so annoyingly persistent, does not help my mates were always dying alone instead of sticking together

[polar raven]

from what I can tell they've basically given up on balance changes

[dreamy hedge]

real shit

[supple oracle]

whats so bad about MGL32?

[polar raven]

its shit

[restive plover]

It's decent for spamming out an area and being annoying but you can't really use it to defend yourself. If someone closes the gap it's joever.

[supple oracle]

the glaring weakness that its weak when someone is in your face?, yeah, i think thats what makes it balanced

besides, sometimes you can fire at angles to detonate at close range if the map gods bless you
like shooting at a roof so the grenade bounces off to the floor and explode on that light almost hugging you

i had killed sword lights that got too cocky but i have the knoweldge of simple geometry, even if the self-damage ends up killing me and the light on the process...

better him and me dying than him killing me and surviving

[restive plover]

I mean in a game like this being weak in close quarters is really really bad given how objectives work. People get in your face a lot, especially as heavy who has no movement options besides anti grav.

[supple oracle]

Anti-grav ain't the only movement option?, Goo gun is his best movement option, creating walls to cilmb and bridges is one hell of a thing you can do with it

well, its an extra when you consider its supposed to patch up holes

i do use Charge N Slam to once in a while kill enemies that are too close to me and i have no way to have a grenade bounce off a wall to my enemy

used to use the goo gun before, but my grenades would just blow all the work i would do in a short breath...

mgl32 having its glaring weakness being almost unusable at close range is honestly fine, i don't have a problem with it

though i do wish it could detonate on proximity with an alternate fire to damage players that are too vertical and only detonate on proximity after +30 meters

Roof players in this occassion
now that is a situation i literaly can't do anything since the grenade does not detonate on impact, and the fuse timer takes gorillion years to explode

aside from the awkard angle to try and hit them

and i'm not sure what you mean by "given how objectives work", don't we sometimes camp above the cashbox to defend it?, its not like we HAVE to be in the same room as the cashbox

i do this all the time when i play sniper light, i create a LoS towards the cashbox with breach charge in order to defend it from elswhere

not foolproof though, not every cashbox can be defendable with just 1 charge of breach charge

[long hare]

imagine thinking you're gonna enjoy a round of cashout but for half the match all you see is a white screen
flashbang gamiung

[willow river]

Does it happen to anyone else that their weapons don't reload and they can't cast any skills or gadgets?

[astral dagger]

I haven't ran into that issue

Why is it that the grapple is so slept on though fr

[mellow lodge]

does almost nothing to help with combat

[astral dagger]

But I feel like the movement capability that it gives is really good

You can enter and leave engagements very quickly

[mellow lodge]

so can dash which has 3 charges and is more useful

[astral dagger]

I feel like dash doesn't have enough distance to it to make up for it

Idk i really like the grapple I feel like there isn't anything wrong with it

[mellow lodge]

grapple has a bad cooldown for what does

you have no way to survive in a fight with grapple

[astral dagger]

I am able to use it to throw off the enemy's aim

I feel like it does that at the very least

[lavish stump]

Please add bow and arrow for light! Would fit so well for them

[twin berry]

SR-84 is a melee weapon....hmmmm

[restive totem]

????

[twin berry]

on the right side...it says melee weapon

[restive totem]

Oh wtf it does.

That's crazy.. lol.

[twin berry]

long range melees to yo face

[restive totem]

lol i guess so

[restive plover]

thats the nerf to the sniper: it counts now to melee

[twin berry]

at least they register when they hit

[barren dome]

on the death screen, can we get the name of the gun along with the icon?

[onyx condor]

Does anyone know how to complete the pro circuit challenge where you “have to deal 250k structural damage using contestant equipment “?

[arctic fog]

There are so many useless gadgets in the game that need a buff, like data reshaper or motion sensor.

[austere condor]

Why dont the quick melees do 50 when hit from behind? Why does it so 30?

[mellow lodge]

quickmelee does 40 no matter what

[cunning blaze]

yesss i also need help with this

[supple oracle]

cause lights dont seem to care about vertical mobility

i am able to pickup dead teammates and grapple away without much issue even if the dead teammate is in the open, so long theres a something that i can grapple vertically, like the roof of a house, then revive my dead mate there

many times i had teammates die in the worst possible location, but the grappling hook allows me to swoop in and pick em up and be gone without worry of the enemies following me, unless it was a very persistent medium with mobility gadgets, had only 1 of em like that

also, sniper lights NOT USNG the grappling hook are such a liability

Sniper relies so much on good positioning and taking advantage of the weapons strenght, why the fuck i see sniper lights with dash and invisibility?!

[mellow lodge]

gateway

[supple oracle]

gateway does not replace grapple

and enemies can follow you through it

though if you pair gateway with grapple, you do allow your teammates to reach places much more easier, like suspended structures where all of its "ropes" have been destroyed

not really a gadget i run on sniper grapple

i have that 4th slot for breaching charge

[mellow lodge]

no the point is gateway makes grapple kinda irrelavnt for vertical movement

[supple oracle]

It does not?, gateway cooldown is very long, compared to grapple, grapple is much shorter

and gateway has distance limit

[mellow lodge]

you aren't going to need it that often and dash can cover most of the need to travel between rofftops

[supple oracle]

if you feel like you dont need it thats fine, but for a sniper light grapple is your best friend for reaching high places and getting around to the next advantage point

gateway just recovers too slow

besides, i already have tracking dart & sonar grenade & breach charge

[mellow lodge]

you get up high once and can use dash to get to the rest of the places though and dash allows close combat if required

[supple oracle]

i aint using sniper for close combat though...

and what if you fall off to the ground and want to get back up again?, gateway cooldown is too long

[mellow lodge]

if you are falling to the ground that quickly get better

[supple oracle]

actually, better leave grapple slept, the less lights using it, the less lights pursuing me when i grapple away

[mellow lodge]

grapple isn't slept, it's just shit with the other options existing

[supple oracle]

if you have no argument you dont need to say anything

you have your preferences i have mine, but to say gateway invalidates grapple is nonsensical, its all about having the right tool for what you need

and in my sniper light its very much required

if you wanna talk about shit gadgets or weapons, then just look at poor old Knife...

[sand idol]

Gateway is too limited, its best use is for carrying cashout to station the fastest while the box is loading

[mellow lodge]

knife is shit because of the game not working correctly

[sand idol]

Thats what actually carried us heavy in a ranked tourney that we ultimately won

[supple oracle]

uh, you mean grapple or gateway?

my friggin connection keeps cutting off

[sand idol]

gateway, i throw one in the air and it doesnt exactly reach the roof where I want to land

[supple oracle]

ah okay, sorry, was just confused for a bit

[mellow lodge]

depends on the roof but most of the time jumping fixes that problem

[supple oracle]

you mean jumping as you get in the gateway or trying to climb the edge?

[mellow lodge]

i mean jumping before throwing it

[reef sage]

Hey guys, what do I exactly need to do to complete "Deal 250000 structural damage using contestant equipment or loadouts" contract? Tried using charge, sledgie and rpg destroying shit up but it didn't go up. Am I doing something wrong?

[rough carbon]

I don't think this is working correctly I've tried the same methods

[reef sage]

Huh, had the same thoughts for the moment. Hope they notice it and make a quick fix

If I remember correctly, the regular version of this contract sounds like this: "Deal <num> of structural damage to the arena"

Might be the problem with the description which is causing it

[boreal ice]

maybe it means deal 25000 structural damage to other contestants? as in like crush a team by blowing up a house

[supple oracle]

@compact path you can turn off crossplay in game options

unless Console players dont have that option, which i dont know

[umbral drum]

is it viable for ranked to run something off meta like revolver or would i be better off only using like fcar or ak?

[compact path]

If you turn off cross-platform it hits Playstation too, PC are the problem children

[supple oracle]

Ah, i see what you mean

you mean turn off matchmaking with pc players, but still matchmake between xbox and playstation

yeah, i agree with that

[compact path]

Honestly it's vile, if I see a light sniper who isn't trash it's just sus, and every time I see a medium popping off with an fcar they're either tweaking their settings on a high end system or just bought some cheap cheats from China and go wild

Like at this point when I'm not coordinating with the boys I don't play cross-platform just because it's too much of a gamble. I can't imagine how it is in ranked. It feels like all my matches have been worse ever since the change

[supple oracle]

OH HELL NO

I JUST SAW THE CHALLENGE FOR USING MARKSMAN RIFLE AND PISTOLS

great, more useless sniper lights on my team...cant wait to get back home and just play with these useless dogs

[reef sage]

Ruble doesn't do any damage so I don't think so

[supple oracle]

@shell sonnet i dont remember throwing knifes being affected by APS...no, this has to be a joke, i dont want to believe APS destroys throwing knifes

[shell sonnet]

Ive been told it does
Never used em so it may be false but why should it be

[mellow lodge]

they don't get affected

[shell sonnet]

How sure are you?

[mellow lodge]

i'm a tk main, finch is a tk main, gressil has been using them recently, i'm 100% sure, i also play powershify a lot so aps central

i can destroy aps with tk so aps doesn't affect them

[shell sonnet]

Changed it

Still kinda sucks for the other 2 though

[mellow lodge]

eh cl kinda deserves it for how brainrot easy it is

[shell sonnet]

Not entirely wrong tbf

[shell sonnet]

Is it ok though for both the weapon and its counter to be that easy?

Would be unfair to require skill to combat a "no skill" weapon

But at best both would require some form of skill

[mellow lodge]

i saw someone have a cool idea of aps having a certain amount of shots then reloads

idk i'd hate cl 40 less if i wasn't a light main

[vague monolith]

APS needs an overhaul for sure, at the minimum it shouldn't work through walls

[mellow lodge]

well almost everything in this game works through walls

[supple oracle]

GAS "COUGH COUGH" GAS!

screw gas through walls

[timid sandal]

I remember the gas mask you could equip in Hardline to negate that lol good times

[shell sonnet]

Someone also suggested something like overheat

Throwing grenades is slow
Both cl-40 and mgl32 fire fast

So if 2 shots hit the aps in about the time it takes either to fire 2 shots it overheats and stops working for a while

Could also introdice a skilled counter for teams, by throwing 2 nades into it at once

[rough carbon]

That game introduced me to run the jewels, good music, good maps

[supple oracle]

never was able to play that game in brazil cause we also had a company called hardline that went to court because of the name, fucking despise that company

[timid sandal]

Got a lot of people into Death Grips for sure

[shell sonnet]

Advantages would be that it still destroys an infinite amount of projectiles

With no fancy ammo mechanic

[timid sandal]

They even had fire masks to stop fire damage which didn’t make sense but who cares

Also make glitch grenades explode on impact not on delay

[supple oracle]

SMOKES TOO PLEASE

smokes cloud suck, you need 2 for the job of 1

[timid sandal]

I need it to detonate now that’s why I threw it

[shell sonnet]

Thing is

Specilizations and gadgets are often a big part of team fights
If it instantly hit on impact it could lead to very unsatisfying losses

This way you can at least try to run

(No reason against it for smokes though)

[mellow lodge]

smokes has way too long of a cooldown its 45 second per smoke

[timid sandal]

At least shave off a bit of the delay, plenty can just run from it

[crude loom]

Heavy’s need more mobility, so I think the rpg’s damage should be nerfed a bit, make heavies resist the damage, and make it recharge faster. Then just add rocket jumping

[supple oracle]

Is goo gun not enough mobility for you?!

[crude loom]

Goovement is hard

[supple oracle]

"goovement", im using that now

[crude loom]

And I’m to lazy to learn it

[upbeat steppe]

I think recon senses should be added back but with a nerf

[supple oracle]

No

[mellow lodge]

no

[upbeat steppe]

And how are people gonna get the career/level up rewards for stuff that gets removed

I was so closed to getting the charm but then it went

[supple oracle]

file a complaint to embark

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, same about even stuff
Is that ever coming back?

[upbeat steppe]

And does that mean the charm for lv5 is gonna be one of the rarest items

[crude loom]

Maybe heavies should get a big jump like King Kong with charge and slam

[timid sandal]

The salty part of me wants snipers to be nerfed, too many times you just have Lights in the back playing whack a mole whole I’m getting beat up on the payload

But it’s also great to snipe turrets and trophy systems

[supple oracle]

i know that feeling

atleast im that sniper light that ACTUALLY PLAYS BY THE OBJECTIVE AND HELPS THE TEAM

[upbeat steppe]

Lights with a sniper in power shift are one of the most annoying things in the game

[crude loom]

The chosen one

[timid sandal]

Like bro you missed 5 shots in a row just pick an smg and help me on the point

You’re not Him

[supple oracle]

worse is when that sniper light uses anything but grapple hook, so he cant acess the highest advantage point in an instant or just an advantage point without taking too long

like, its suspended structures and YOURE NOT going into the CRANE?

[timid sandal]

Then you have snipers that actually hit and aim at good targets on the point like those damn trophy systems, those I can respect. PTFO just like in the battlefield days

[supple oracle]

@upbeat steppe can't react in #👂┇game-feedback channel

but a pirate ship would actually be fuckin awsome

[boreal ice]

anyone else think that mediums should get the sniper?

[upbeat steppe]

Thanks

[supple oracle]

NO

[boreal ice]

bro..

[upbeat steppe]

No

[supple oracle]

Keep it to 1 sniper, i dont need more snipers in this game

[boreal ice]

I mean give it to mediums and take it from lights

[timid sandal]

No, but what about the M4 tho? I feel like it’s too much for light, or maybe I just suck with it

[boreal ice]

feels weird on a light class and id love mediums to have a long range option

[upbeat steppe]

I think they need to change the sniper completely and make it a heavy sniper like gun so it can do decent amounts of damage

3 shots btw

[supple oracle]

no, does not make sense

Lights have the best on-demand mobility (Grapple being the best for sniper) NOT COUNTING INVIS

okay, i might be exagerating on the "Best" mobility options

[boreal ice]

agreed

sniper feels so unsatisfying, i wish headshots were insta kills but i guess a heavy sniper obviously isnt good for light class

[timid sandal]

Also the small health bar gets rid of em fast last thing I want is a medium healt guy running around just fine

[supple oracle]

May i present you the 4-Bore rifle

[upbeat steppe]

Image collab skins not as much as fortnite as I feel like fortnite has lost its brand but a few iconic collabs but nothing too out there maybe just iconic movies / games

Imagine*

[timid sandal]

I think the random wackiness of the outfits is neat enough

[boreal ice]

tetris collab?

[upbeat steppe]

That would be cool

Tron would fit the theme of this season perfectly

[boreal ice]

imagine if instead of meteor strikes it was tetris blocks

[boreal ice]

fuck yeah

[supple oracle]

i hate how i need to be level 8 to show embeds..i have a perfect gif to show the power of the 4-Bore

[boreal ice]

true, the finals has its own aesthetic as well that should be preserved

[upbeat steppe]

Galactica / pacman are sort of cameo in that one event

[boreal ice]

space invaders too

[boreal ice]

whats that

[supple oracle]

its not gonna show, so you have to click on it

https://tenor.com/view/gun-4-bore-big-gun-gif-2287384251865604126

[timid sandal]

What about a sight in heavy’s lmgs that aren’t just iron sights?

[icy sparrow]

2 bore,double barrel

[supple oracle]

also a good option

[boreal ice]

cant load it cos my signals trash lol. what kinda gun is it?

[supple oracle]

hmm...i can tell you its bullet is bigger than the 50.cal

its the closest thing you can have to "Shoulder fired artillery"

[boreal ice]

double barrel shotty?

[supple oracle]

nah, its a rifle

[boreal ice]

heavy could do with one

[mellow lodge]

the finals is game set in a vr world, we should just get one

[supple oracle]

if you'r signal gets better, try searching on youtube "Kentucky ballistic" 4-Bore breakdown if you want the short version

otherwise, dude has done so many videos on the 4-Bore vs zombified torso, body armor AND torso, bulletproof glass and such

[boreal ice]

sure

you guys play heavy by any chance? cant stand playing it

[supple oracle]

i only like to play heavy with MGL32, the other guns dont really fit me

[timid sandal]

I play it when we’re getting stomped on the payload and need shields

I’m more of a medium cuz I like to switch from heals and damage

[versed holly]

`they should add a tactical bow and arrow for the medium class

[boreal ice]

fair. melee options are fun for me too.

[boreal ice]

with red dot

[timid sandal]

Kudos on them for making the sword a Calvary saber, not only are sabers slept on but we have enough Katanas in media

[supple oracle]

i wish i could use heavy melee without feeling helpless, but that would require a team that actually helps you in firefights...

[boreal ice]

real

I swear melee is so weak in general though, especially in medium class

[supple oracle]

That reminds me, frag grenades on melee is (in my opinion) a requirement

[boreal ice]

what about crossbow

[timid sandal]

I wish the game would let you just toss one grenade and bring you back to your gun, instead of prepping the next one. You know what I mean?

[deft coral]

It would be cool to see a gas mask gadget worked into the game

[supple oracle]

Eh, unless it worked against fire too, it would still be too situational

[deft coral]

i guess

[rocky cairn]

bring up the revolver

[supple oracle]

@stiff eagle you did not just said to remove the mesh shield specialization just because dome shield exists...

[deft coral]

maybe it could be a hazard suit that would lessen fire damage

[supple oracle]

dome shield does not even last for 3 seconds under fire

[deft coral]

and block out gas

[stiff eagle]

which can be fixed, they overnerfed it

i prefer a stronger dome shield over mesh spam

[supple oracle]

what is wrong with mesh anyways?

[stiff eagle]

its way too strong

[supple oracle]

its a specialization?, of course it has to be strong

[deft coral]

i dont like how mesh people can just run up to you and blast you from behind the shield

[stiff eagle]

??? have you looked at the other classes

[crude loom]

Have you ever thought of going behind the shield

[deft coral]

well you can just run up in front of it an kill them

[supple oracle]

how many heavies where they pull up the mesh shield and slowly backaway with a sliver of health, only to be rushed and die by a melee attack

[stiff eagle]

yeah try going behind the shield if 2 heavies spam it while 3 mediums place their aps and defend near attackers in power shift

[supple oracle]

well i dont play power shift, but that does not sound a reasonable reason to REMOVE mesh shield, but rework APS because it will EAT THE GLITCH GRENADES

[stiff eagle]

atm heavies are just overpowered, unbalanced, and the reason why people leave the game

[crude loom]

Grapples really good, so is invis and dash is pretty great too, demat is literally wallhacks, heal beam is great. Turret is a good special. Charge and slam is a good one too, and the goo gun has goovment along with its normal utility. So why can mesh shield be hoot to?

[stiff eagle]

heavies are tanks and do as much if not more damage than mediums, heavies have 3 defensive items, one of them the mesh shield. which recharges fast and tanks even more

whenever i wanna warm wins i just play heavy cause i just win with it anytime

[crude loom]

I fail to see how charge and slam is defensive but on

[supple oracle]

i dont see the problem, a heavy that choose to be a fortress needs to be punished for doing so?, if he has all 3 defensive tools, then he also has almost to none offensive tools

[stiff eagle]

barricade and dome?

[crude loom]

Oh I thought you were talking about specials

[supple oracle]

goo gun is also defensive, but its also a VERY GOOD tool

but of course, fire conpletely nullifie your hard work :(

[crude loom]

😦

[stiff eagle]

googun is a great temporary stun

shoot it at enemy and then flame it

[supple oracle]

honestly i hate goo can act as a pseudo stun gun, that shit needs to be gone from being a thing

just make goo guns goo bounce off players

[stiff eagle]

well, i hate that heavy is abusable given its much stronger in every aspect compared to other classes

[crude loom]

It is annoying tbh, especially when you throw a goo nade and get stuck

[supple oracle]

i hope youre not ignoring the F-CAR

[stiff eagle]

the fcar is a silly attempt to balance heavies, which sucks

[crude loom]

No, not in movement, not in healing capacity

[stiff eagle]

you can even exploit the fcar by setting zoom sens higher to remove recoil

[crude loom]

Yeah so why aren’t mediums op in your mind?

[stiff eagle]

and cloak should have an activation timer cause its being spammed too much

[supple oracle]

THE FCAR IS A HEAVY COUNTER NOW?!, WHAT ARE THESE MENTAL GYMNASTICS

[stiff eagle]

the fcar is the only weapon that can be used for medium vs heavy

[vague monolith]

My hot take is this is the one game the bruiser archetype isn't objectively hot shit and that makes me come back to the game

[crude loom]

No

[supple oracle]

its NOT?!, your hate towards heavy is clearly making you biased!

[stiff eagle]

cause mediums arent good, they have enough limitations, its kust the fcar thats a bit too accurate for its damage output

[stiff eagle]

im a heavy player

[supple oracle]

I cant trust what this guy says anymore

[crude loom]

Mediums are objectively the best class right now, with the defib, fscar, heal beam etc

[stiff eagle]

mediums were op when recon was a thing. and yeah defib is strong. but heal got nerfed so hard its not that good anymore

[crude loom]

Recon was not that good, and it was replaced with something by better

[boreal ice]

I was gone for like ten minutes, what is going on lmao

[supple oracle]

Recon was literally cheats as a mechanic, and had no counter whatsoever, good ridance

[stiff eagle]

also, lewis is literally an akm but buffed. its recoil can be easily dealt with aswell. why again does a tank do as much damage as medium? its busted

[supple oracle]

i do agree on lewis damage

[stiff eagle]

lewis is the easy way to achieve 20-30 kills in short time

especially if you use barricade

[supple oracle]

eveything else youre saying is over the top and ill refrain from saying anything until further notice

[stiff eagle]

good, agree to disagree

i got many people agreeing with my pov.

also if you havent played powershift that much, please do, like for a day or two

[supple oracle]

i dont play powershift because of the shitty things i hear from it, snipers and jumping CL-40 mediums

[stiff eagle]

the snipers are noise but not the main issue

[supple oracle]

i dont want to get unecessarely angry playing that, thank you very much

[boreal ice]

because the tank doesnt get instakilled by another medium or light

[stiff eagle]

its the aps + heavy barricade + dome shield + mesh shield spam on the platfoem

[boreal ice]

powershifts great

[obsidian gust]

@stiff eagle what rank are you

[obsidian gust]

the model is amazing

[supple oracle]

@edgy shard NO, DONT BRING THAT ANTI-CHEAT AND DONT EVER SPEAK OF IT AGAIN

[edgy shard]

we need something, too many cheater in this game

[supple oracle]

THAT ANTI-CHEAT IS NOT IT

use whatever other garbage anti-cheat but THAT one is a line you dont fuckin cross

[vague monolith]

Heavy isn't a "tank'' heavy is heavy. By this logic the medium should be only support and light should be the only class that has good dps

Don't bring your overwatchisms into this game roles don't need to be stiff

[rough carbon]

What about a special type of launcher that you fill with canisters, maybe up to six to ten stored away and be dished out at will rapid fire or tap out one by one

Used by heavy or medium

Imagine just popping a red canister cache and scooping them all up with the reload key

Seems cheap but situational

[restive plover]

Imagine, if you will, a 125 player damage ks23.

[young aurora]

Will I still be able to receive the challenger circuit completion reward? I can’t see the reward anymore only the pro circuit

[supple oracle]

what does bringin the ks damage by 5 will do

[restive plover]

What?

That's bringing it up by 25.

[supple oracle]

oh right, i forgot its damage was nerfed to 100

[restive plover]

Clown emoji.

[desert stone]

"Nama Tama's Strongest Soldier"

[restive plover]

Indeed that is my name.

[desert stone]

I'd hide

[restive plover]

Okay?

[cloud oar]

Whats the best weapon for heavy this season?

[abstract orchid]

Arguably, the Lewis gun still.

[potent flame]

Skill issue fr

[supple oracle]

what movement are you talking about in the #👂┇game-feedback ?

heavy has goo gun as his supreme movement option, and arguably zero-field as a "movement"

[potent flame]

I was saying heavy doesn’t have much movement but that his health makes up for that. Plus I’d rather take heavy shield over anything else (obviously game mode changes that) but in something like bank it id rather be a light or medium anyway so

[supple oracle]

fair enough

[rough carbon]

How will tiny people feel represented

[wooden steeple]

My dream

[wide pike]

As a person who plays light I could agree with people who chose the removal votes

[muted knot]

How will we be able to see with no lights?

[desert stone]

Rely on hearing

[abstract orchid]

Thermal vi- oh…light would be gone…that wouldn’t help

[gray portal]

Whats best combo for healer medium?

[plain wasp]

Fcar cl40 or akm, Defib pyro/gas/goo nade and zip line or jump pad

[gray portal]

What about APM?

[wooden steeple]

Why does it seem that the balance gets less attention every patch? I just really want to see people running different guns for once I am begging for more balance

[deft coral]

Same

I’ve only seen 3 or 4 different weapons used per class

[wooden steeple]

Just want to use a weapon and feel like I’m not gonna get out dps 3 - 1

Its fcar xp-45 and for heavy it goes either way Lewis or m60 and both are pretty mid

[plain wasp]

Aps turret could also be used in place of zipline or jump pad

[wooden steeple]

I’m worried they are gonna make a power vacuum

[gray portal]

and what would be like most op class right now? I feel lights can destroy all!

[deft coral]

Yes

[deft coral]

I feel like if a light flanks it will kill everyone

[restive plover]

Lights only win fights if they get the element of surprise. Heavy is the easiest to play, but I think medium is currently the best.

[gray portal]

YES THIS!

[plain wasp]

When a light flanks that also leaves their team open to a quick death because there are only two of them

[gray portal]

yeah but medium lacks guns, u can play like 3 guns or ur just not meta

[gray portal]

so would u say Heavy Med Med would be best combo?

[restive plover]

Yes but the scar is currently the best weapon in the game. 1887 is no slouch either.

But the others could use some love, I agree.

[plain wasp]

I really enjoy playing light, and I think it's the most fun class, but if you don't know what you're doing it can really hurt your team

[gray portal]

i just want a 2 hit magnum xD

[plain wasp]

Stun gun should probably be removed also because you know, getting a free kill isn't very fair at all

[gray portal]

well im unlucky with stun guns, i always stun people with either fire blaster, or they just turn nicely and kill me xD

[restive plover]

Stun is fine where it is.

[gray portal]

im bad light btw.... xD

[deft coral]

Stun them when they are turned around and they can’t turn to hit you

Then just Lamar them

[restive plover]

Yes you can? You turn just fine while stunned.

[plain wasp]

It's somewhat balanced, but It has got to be the most annoying thing ever to play against

[gray portal]

idk they are just amazing at seeing me invis

[deft coral]

They upped the iniv shimmer