💣┇weapons-gadgets

[tawny onyx]

@kindred arrow I don’t dislike the character though? I have no issue with how the character is designed or it’s abilities. It just does too much of everything aside from mobility.

[weary moss]

May i ask why you think heavy is op. Because if its just rpg again, you have ways to counter it

[timid heart]

Yea but as the time goes on, and more people get access to ranked people will realize how unfun it is to play against a Heavy with auto shotty and rpg so they have to balance it

[warm lion]

and honestly
if you get hit by an RPG
why shouldn't you just fucking die on the spot

they should just RPG to make it realistic

and make every gun one shot headshot duh

[kindred arrow]

for the most part autoshotgun is much worse of a problem than the rpg but people dont complain about it because a ttk of 0.3 seconds feels better than a ttk of 0 seconds

[vestal glen]

same thing could be said about a sniper bullet to the head or a shotgun blast point blank

[stable igloo]

I mean, in that case just make every weapon realistic. any headshot should just KO you

[kindred arrow]

guess what both of those guns do to lights

[vestal glen]

yea, lights

[tawny onyx]

@number15burgerkingfootlettuce terrible mentality. I could argue make the arguement with that ideology and say if I’m invisible why can people hear me?

[warm lion]

because it isn't invisibility
it's called cloak

[timid heart]

Yea honestly why they don't create a extra mode for you Heavy mains is beyond me

[slender aspen]

Being invisible doesn't stop you from making sound. >.>

[kindred arrow]

the channel for salting about heavy is #light-build-main , this is #💣┇weapons-gadgets , i think you're lost

[warm lion]

and invisibility renders you imperceptible through sight, not sound

[tawny onyx]

Im not arguing that it actually should. Im saying that your ideology is “if xyz, then you shouldn’t interact with the game.” Under that same pretense I’m proposing a nonsensical argument about cloak.

[warm lion]

not that cloak is supposed to do either

[tawny onyx]

Would u think OBT stun gun was balanced if it was a projectile?

[weary moss]

Light can easily take down a heavy in less than a second if played correctly. Having a gadget that can potentially 1 shot a light and have a long cool down is not the end of the world.

[warm lion]

i mean that makes it realistic so yes

[kindred arrow]

lettuce how does this guy not recognize that you're trolling him you're making it so obvious

[tawny onyx]

@warm lion Ah yea realism. Taking a sniper shot to the head and still walking is pretty realistic too

[timid heart]

Spotted another heavy main

[slender aspen]

Yeah, some people need to play some TF2 and see that this game is pretty tame compared.
I mean lighter classes in TF2 can get 1 shot pretty hard by many things in Tf2. People complaining about a single rpg.

[warm lion]

i'm taking the free discord server xp where i can 😂

[weary moss]

I did mix of both heavy and dagger light

[timid heart]

But let me guess, more heavy right?

[weary moss]

It was easy to kill heavy's with dagger especially with evasive dash

[timid heart]

Just say you don't want heavies rpg to get nerfed

[weary moss]

Why should it be. When light has so many options to counter it

[warm lion]

let's see you try to consistently one shot lights with RPG medium player

it isn't as brain dead as the shotgun

[timid heart]

Yes give medium a RPG too

[warm lion]

now this will give me a reason to play medium

[timid heart]

why not give every clas a RPG, it's way more balanced this way, no?

[warm lion]

so true so real

[timid heart]

And call it The RPG Finals

[warm lion]

🙏

[tawny onyx]

true replace every gun with rpg

[noble lichen]

The sledge hammer can one tap lights and has no direct cool down. People aren’t mad about that

[misty rampart]

u seem like a sweet person i wish i could play a game with u seems so knowledgeable

[timid heart]

Yes no need to balance every other weapon when you can just replace everything with RPG's

[weary moss]

They used to be

[warm lion]

too bad i'm pretty busy with college and we're different regions

[rare storm]

make a nuke gadget with 0 cooldown that explodes the entire map and kills everyone

give it to every class

[misty rampart]

yeah no issue just think your great 🙂

[timid heart]

Now that's a very unique idea, no other game did something like that they should implement it

[tawny onyx]

@noble lichen terrible comparison. As a primary weapon if forces you into permanent melee range which can be easily spaced in most cases, whereas rpg is an ability that fulfills a primary weapons job by providing high damage and decent range

[warm lion]

terrible comparison cause sledge is straight ass

[weary moss]

Thats if the rpg was direct or under the enemy

[timid heart]

Yea you are right, but makes no sense to argue with logic these guys are biased as hell

[tawny onyx]

It’s actually a bit repulsive @timid heart

[warm lion]

go to #👂┇game-feedback for actual arguments smh

[timid heart]

This channel is for talking about game balance read the description

[weary moss]

Again, many ways to counter rpg. You just have to find them

[timid heart]

Yes, but can't wait for the nerfs 🙂

[warm lion]

can't wait for auto shotty to remain unchanged

that weapon has been straight stupid

[grim mulch]

Lol

[celest blade]

Auto shotty is still very strong.

[noble lichen]

The same point can be made that you are tied to long a cooldown can easily be spaced with building and map objects. As to not be direct impacted

[warm lion]

but because devs never nerfed it after 3 playtests, surely it's balanced right

it's just like RPG fr

[tawny onyx]

@noble lichen ? That’s assuming the heavy just throws out the rpg every time and not just when it’s a garauntee free damage

[weary moss]

They did nerf it. They made it so you can die more easily to it. Unless it always hit you for 324 health

[grim mulch]

Love it

[tawny onyx]

@noble lichen am I meant to afk until I see that cooldown used?

[noble lichen]

That how you rpg complainers put it. “The rpg replaces you primary weapon”

[weary moss]

I hit the enemy with a rocket, it deals damage and doesn't kill. Its now on cooldown

This happens alot especially when using sledge

[tawny onyx]

@noble lichen no the issue is that it CAN be as lethal or more lethal than the primary. @weary moss I have an idea for you. Save your rpg for when you see a light and evaporate them :)

[weary moss]

I do, doesn't always kill

[timid heart]

I bring out my RPG in a fight , i win

[weary moss]

I have stun gun, heavy cant use rpg. Or glitch grenade

[shadow minnow]

9

[golden adder]

RPG is OP and doesn’t deserve to do as much damage as it does.

I’ll be the first to admit that there’s a ton about the heavy that could be nerfed and it would still be a great pick. Especially over light.

[tawny onyx]

Dang. You make the low skilled ability look skilled? Thanks for proving my point about the heavy player base.

[noble lichen]

Lethality is the nature of explosives though.

[timid heart]

These guys think because it doesn't kill a medium in one shit it's not broken lmao

[warm lion]

imagine thinking explosives shouldn't do high damage

[weary moss]

Because it doesn't? It does 180

[tawny onyx]

@noble lichen lethality is the nature of getting shot in the head by a sniper rifle…

[timid heart]

Just stop lmao

[tawny onyx]

@weary moss omg reading comprehension

[stable igloo]

I think you misread that

[warm lion]

he did indeed

[weary moss]

I have trouble with comprehenssion, this is correct

[noble lichen]

Lethality Doesn’t directly correspond to killing
Lethal means dangerous and a sniper shot to the head in this game IS dangerous to any class

[warm lion]

comprehension *

[paper island]

RPG's fine, spending it to kill 1 light on a huge cooldown is a big investment which can usually have better uses, they should just add a small priming time/necessitate ADS with it so you can't panic switch flick RPG at your feet

[stable igloo]

maybe they have trouble with compression too, we dunno them that well

[weary moss]

Gotta love auto correct

[timid heart]

No worries, even if it doesn't kill a medium in a fight you just hit a med with a rpg shot and finish him off there is no way to counter that

[weary moss]

Riot shield

[tawny onyx]

@paper island no shot you just saying “using my cooldown to remove one shot a light is a big investment, and there are better uses…” u remove a person from the game?

[timid heart]

Ok you are just trolling

[weary moss]

Riot shield blocks rpg

[noble lichen]

This is good, better than reducing it’s damage

[warm lion]

god bless this shitty weapon

it bring me untold joy using it

[tawny onyx]

@paper island id be down for prep time too! My suggesting was scale it for demolition and nerf the damage while lowering cooldown (increase impact on structures)

[paper island]

where I come to this is just like... it's day 2, we can try and work out new strats and counterplay before taking huge swings at balance changes, we're still discovering new strats and team comps

[tawny onyx]

In its current state as a free “oopsies let me wipe this light out or chunk this medium instantly” it’s not balanced. Good to see theres a single heavy main that recognizes that.

@paper island it’s been an issue since beta…

[weary moss]

Well when a light can delete a heavy in less than a second and has gadget counters. Id say so

[tawny onyx]

@weary moss LOL. Less than a second huh?

[weary moss]

I have killed heavies faster with dagger

[timid lintel]

Any LFP groups for solo players like me? :9

[warm lion]

go to an LFG channel 💀

[timid heart]

I think he switched up light and heavy

[west sequoia]

GL on top

[timid lintel]

i cant find it

[warm lion]

#lfg-na-casual #lfg-eu-casual

[dreamy herald]

id:browse

[weary moss]

And now since quick melee does 40. You can do it in less

[timid lintel]

yeah thanks community ❤️

[tawny onyx]

@weary moss u mean with the weapon that has to be used behind them, followed up with a left click, and point blank…

[weary moss]

You haven't seen my clips from last beta

[warm lion]

i mean you still have to be pretty accurate with RPG to actually one shot

[noble lichen]

^

[timid heart]

i mean you still had to be pretty accurate with the stun gun to actually stun someone

[warm lion]

see
same thing

[weary moss]

And again. Quick melee is now 40. So you can heavy attack and follow it up with with quick melee. You delete heavies

[timid heart]

see
same thing

[warm lion]

🤝

[tawny onyx]

@weary moss I really dont need to lol. Out of curiosity in beta did you pair it with the cloaking device that’s now been nerfed ?? 0.0

[warm lion]

it's always been able to do that though

[weary moss]

Evasive dash

[warm lion]

killing with a quick melee follow up that is

[weary moss]

I thought it was 20 in last beta

Guess no images in here

[stable igloo]

iirc. 25 on light, 40 on med, 50 on heavy

[tawny onyx]

@weary moss regardless of how you stage it, killing that quickly as light requires significantly more thought and prep than rpg :/

[weary moss]

Not really

I can just tase them and they cant use it

[tawny onyx]

Well tazer isn’t healthy for the game either

[weary moss]

I can just glitch grenade

[warm lion]

yeah you know what
fuck light
they can disable literally every gadget and ability with glitch

[tawny onyx]

Medium has glitch traps btw ^

[weary moss]

Or use goo. Or use my body so they can hit themselves

[warm lion]

yeah but they're less convenient

[tawny onyx]

USE MY BODY SO THEY HIT THEMSELVES.

[weary moss]

Kills em

[warm lion]

yeah RPG self oneshots

isn't the only gadget where getting hit by it can be a good thing
u can waste defibs too

[dawn bronze]

Have to say Shield can be really fun if you know when to charge at people.

[weary moss]

So i can use light attack with sledge and follow it up with a quick melee instead of charging a heavy attack against lights. Good

[tawny onyx]

Light inherently has to take flanks/ off angles. Most confrontations with heavy (in range where rpg self can happen) happens more toward heavy’s team. Heavy’s team has higher chance on revive location than light’s team- who is ultimately down the player. Not to mention your argument for a form of counter play has nothing to do with the enemy’s kit-“let me rpg myself for you” implies a misplay on the heavy’s part. At any reasonable range where that is possible heavy should never be forced to RPG- that’s a misplay on the heavy’s part not a counterplay from the enemy…

[weary moss]

"form of counter play has nothing to do with the enemy's kit" if only light had a gadget that can neuter the enemies gadgets to have a higher chance at winning

[warm lion]

fr

not just gadgets too

[tawny onyx]

Yet again! Where did I say that those part’s of lights kit are balanced??? I don’t think they are healthy either!

[woeful plume]

movement feerls different from beta

[tawny onyx]

You act like I’m a diehard light who defends my class to the highest degree. There are parts of light that need to be rebalanced too as I’ve stated numerous time.

[warm lion]

nah glitch is necessary for the game

[tawny onyx]

It’s only necessary because other abilities aren’t balanced 😂

[warm lion]

you're just begging for everything to be shit then

[weary moss]

You only mentioned glitch 1 time and that was with mediums glitch mines

[warm lion]

if everything else was so bad to the point of glitch being unnecessary then that's just boring

[weary moss]

You have stated nothing

I searched you saying anything about glitch. 1 came up and it was about a different gadget

[tawny onyx]

@weary moss earlier I talked about tazer which applies that silence debuff.

[weary moss]

This was toward me talking about glitch

[tawny onyx]

🤢

[weary moss]

Primarily glitch, because taser doesn't hit multiple enemies

[pale wigeon]

Hey guys, what's best dagger or sword?

[warm lion]

sword is just easier

[pale wigeon]

I try to main throwing knives so I don't really care if it's easy or not

[warm lion]

then dagger for the potential to one shot most people

[pale wigeon]

Okay thanks

[stable igloo]

Dagger sometimes just feels like a ping check

[misty rampart]

They hurt me lol

[stable igloo]

Same, don't see it often though. Had someone stab me in the face yesterday for 320 dmg

[pale wigeon]

Is the right click in the back 50?

[warm lion]

should be an instakill to anything but heavy

[stable igloo]

Right click to back is 320

[pale wigeon]

Dash or Invisibility with dagger?

[stable igloo]

Dash for aggressive plays, invis for reliability

If you got insanely good at doing 180s with it, dash probably better for it long term

[strange glacier]

buff the knives

[pale wigeon]

Thanks

[warm lion]

you gotta learn that dagger flick bro
dash

[stable igloo]

Knives are fine, damn things do 60 damage a hit

[pale wigeon]

I'll buy dash when I'll have enough, in 3 games but for now first game I've done almost nothing

[strange glacier]

right click is garbo

[stable igloo]

Right click is for long ranged throws or peeking

[slender juniper]

Dashes are pretty much the best choice.

[strange glacier]

the timing is still bad

[slender juniper]

Grapple is nice but cooldown hinders it, Invisibility has been nerfed but still somewhat usable.

[stable igloo]

It is a bit too long yea, but it just came out so would expect some adjustments

Invis is mostly fine. The nerf mostly hinders shotgun campers

At least from what I've noticed with it anyway

[pale wigeon]

I don't now how long it takes to charge for the right click but it should be a tad quicker

[stable igloo]

It's like a full 2-3 seconds to charge right click and you can't hold it either

[warm lion]

i just wish you could hold the charge on knives

[strange glacier]

if they made it just a single charge you can hold that woudl make it so much better

[stable igloo]

Same. that would entirely fix the charge time concern for me

[slender juniper]

Good point, should we talk about the Melee weapons?

[warm lion]

i mean, have you seen my nickname

[slender juniper]

The Summoning ritual has worked.

But, most of the Melee weapons feel like a joke. Outside of the Sledge which can cause the whole building to collapse on you.

[stable igloo]

sword users would like to have a word with you

[pale wigeon]

I don't like sword users, feels "easy" mode compared to the other ones (except sledge)

[slender juniper]

Sword Users are the rarely effective.

Dagger User kill one person and then get mowed.

[warm lion]

sledge unironically makes the other melee weapons better

[slender juniper]

Swords can work with Dashes and a bit of luck.

[warm lion]

dash is the best combat ability so of course it does 💀

[stable igloo]

sword doesn't feel bad now, but in obt they were so annoying lol

[slender juniper]

So general consensus about the Dagger?

[slate quail]

I think pretty much a meme weapon, but fun with invis

[slender juniper]

[warm lion]

probably the highest skill ceiling weapon
pretty ass in the hands of most though

[slate quail]

Yeah, if you’re good with it you can dominate matches

[pale wigeon]

What are good gadets to use with melee btw, mostly throwing knives?

[slender juniper]

It's a High skill weapon with little payoff, and has to reliably hit the back of a moving player.

[stable igloo]

throwing knives isn't really a melee weapon. but smoke grenade , taser, and not sure about 4th gadget for sword/dagger/knives

[slender juniper]

Vanishing Bomb, Dash, Smoke, and maybe Flash or Gas

[warm lion]

how is instant killing little payoff 💀

[slender juniper]

Because you alert the Horde in doing so, and are in close range.

[warm lion]

that's why it's high ceiling

@jade falcon bro what are you cooking

[slender juniper]

Vanishing Bomb might actually work well with it.

[warm lion]

i love the addition of that bomb

actual unique utility besides the convenience of glitch

[slender juniper]

Sadly, it's a light exclusive.

[warm lion]

i think it should

[scarlet cedar]

Which medium wep had lowest ttk?

[slender juniper]

Sniper.

[warm lion]

that's light wep

[stable igloo]

hmmm revolver?

either revolver or shotgun, shotgun has very low fire rate though, so not sure

[warm lion]

fuck revolver bro
i am straight ass

[stable igloo]

I love revolver, but am also ass with it

[slender juniper]

Fine, 1887 or CL-40 technically would have the highest.

But, R.357 is the best

[warm lion]

nah the GL definitely aint it 💀

[stable igloo]

strictly for lights, I think CL-40 has a better TTK than 1887

[slender juniper]

1887 is the highest damage, GL 2, R.357 3, And AK and FCAR tie.

AK Theoretically has the highest TTK with the highest damage to Fire Rate Ratio. FCAR has a lower fire rate.

[slate quail]

That’s why it pretty much only works with invis

[warm lion]

it's not invis
and cloak is noisy as shit wdym

[tame plank]

the LH 1 actually kinda shreds

horrible for cqc but it does really good damage and the recoil feels a lot better than in the beta

[warm lion]

you have 2 dashes available to escape a fight

[slender juniper]

Light is possibly XP-54 for higher damage at a sligbr decrease for fire rate.

[stable igloo]

LH1 is so weird to me, I wanna like it. but I feel like any situation where I'd use it I can just get more done with sniper.

[jade falcon]

I think that the grenade launcher needs a damage increase, i played a numerus amount of games and it takes 4-5 hits for heavy, 3-4 for medium, 2-3 for light. The grenade launcher shoot slow and the grenades them self's blow up on second bounce which is fine. Its when you are fighting a m or a l it sometimes frustrating. bc you have to shoot the grenade a certain way which is a skill in itself. you also have to outplay certain player do to there movement which is not a problem. I would love for yall to try it out and see what im saying just a bit of an increase in damage to where its not op or its underperforming.

[slate quail]

I mean I’ve only seen good daggers with cloak personally

[stable igloo]

which grenade launcher? heavy's MGL32 or mediums CL-40?

[warm lion]

cloak falls off once you meet actually decent players

[tame plank]

I miss a lot with the sniper so having the higher fire rate works better for me

[jade falcon]

heavy's

[slender juniper]

Which one?

Heavy and Medium both feel weird, since it feels like it would have terrain destruction.

But are incredibly inconsistent due to the high amounts of movement.

[slate quail]

I think grappling hook could use either lower cooldown or more charges, cause both cloak and dash can be used repeatedly while grapple kinda takes a while to get back

[warm lion]

i'd be down for an extra charge

[pale wigeon]

Bro, rocket launcher is so skilled

[jade falcon]

i haven't tried the light yet i find myself play more of the heavy so we can have a fight chance.

[stable igloo]

see, I'm terrible with the sniper. but I still feel that way. I haven't gotten lh1 in this version, but I tried it in cbt2 and obt and just felt it ain't it. gotta land 3 shots in the time you land 1 sniper body shot. Probably just skill issue on my part though

[warm lion]

welcome to light class

[slender juniper]

Wait, light has a GL?

[slate quail]

Yeah I think 2 charges could make it much more viable (and more fun)

[warm lion]

no

[jade falcon]

cl4

[slender juniper]

Medium.

[tame plank]

thats for medium

[jade falcon]

medium

[crystal folio]

yea that would be sick

[stable igloo]

2 charges for spiderman mode

[misty rampart]

What’s that lol

[stable igloo]

just grappling around everywhere and able to take angles on buildings because you'd have an extra charge. so you can drop without falling to your death

[misty rampart]

Oh impressive

[slate quail]

Real

[fleet thunder]

Give me the stun gun turn radius reduction back I wanna make all these new players cry

[fallow crater]

God no that was just a pain current state is so much better

[rich kelp]

I just think light overall sucks right now

[warm lion]

it can suck for all i care
glitch having ass

[stable igloo]

you mean the amazing grenade that no light ever uses and then complains about how they can't deal with a heavy dome shield?

[warm lion]

yeah class "sucks" cause people are bad

[fleet thunder]

Honestly I switched from heavy to light because I feel like cause everyone is slower now the lights move speed difference is just way to much for heavy’s and even mediums to Handle

[warm lion]

move speed nerf isn't real

[fleet thunder]

Idk movement feels like as rn for everyone dose it not

[junior reef]

it did until I realised my FOV was low, then it felt normal again after I changed it

[fleet thunder]

Mines at 100

[stable igloo]

Nobody reads patch notes nor the announcements notifying people the cause of the movement speed nerf being just a change in default FoV

[warm lion]

go higher

[fleet thunder]

Nah I shit you not tho bonking don’t feel right no more idk what it is but something happened

[slate quail]

Yeah light is reasonably balanced it just has a huge skill curve. I do think the first SMG could use a small buff tho

[hexed pasture]

What would use say the best weapon for light class in

[stable igloo]

V9s, x-54, sniper if you're good with it

Overall though I think v9s still seems to be the general consensus

[restive plover]

where to see my name?

[coarse canyon]

Opinions on the vanishing bomb?

Seen it used a couple times defo bamboozled me but unsure if its worth the points

[fleet thunder]

Haven’t seen anyone who uses it

[hexed pasture]

I like the bomb with the grapple hook @coarse canyon

[stable igloo]

I like it, works on teammates too. Nothing like an invis heavy dunking you with a hammer

[hexed pasture]

Ahahaha

[coarse canyon]

I didn't even think of the dunk potential

Gonna have to be an investment

[cold ridge]

why cant I use the grenade launcher I just bought

[stable igloo]

Gotta be sure to equip it in the constant loadout. Can't do it mid-gane otherwise.

[misty rampart]

i played a game of light and i retract i dont like the sniper LOL fell weird to me

[stone bronze]

its diff, but funny

[misty rampart]

i am sure i got a hs and not 1 shot kill 😦

[odd fox]

I can't enter onile in the game is there a problem

[stone bronze]

donno bro

[raven pulsar]

gas or pyro nades?

[vapid inlet]

why the fuck can light go invisible shoot go invisible again with no cooldown dogshit ass specialisation

[analog pasture]

Yeah it's stupid

[maiden epoch]

Please change to goo gun back to the beta version

[boreal spruce]

Melee needs a serious buff

[odd fox]

I can't enter onile in the game is there a problem

[lapis estuary]

no pls x.x i get hit by melee as a light and take almost a third of my health

[rare storm]

can we get the auto aim on sledgehammer removable as a setting

[stable igloo]

Situational/preference. Gas is higher damage. But is removed with fire and doesn't stay on the person after they leave. Fire does less damage, but has a 20+ damage dot effect just for touching it. However it's put out by smoke

[rare storm]

it's so annoying, especially when trying to break walls and there's someone behind/above/whatever

[dreamy plank]

Is it possible to reduce the sight without scatter or set only the dot?

[raven pulsar]

i m looking for the best to stop cashouts

[stable igloo]

Gas then

[raven pulsar]

thanks dude

[stable igloo]

fire will last longer and scares people, but gas will actually kill them if they try to steal it.

[raven pulsar]

gotcha

[jovial jewel]

Who have ttk weapons exile file ?

[opal pine]

Is the scar better now?

[stable igloo]

Better? Yes, still worse than akm? Yes

[misty rampart]

maybe its meh thing but akm has too much recoil and no acc

[stable igloo]

It's accuracy feels the same to me, fcar just has a scope to make it easier to aim. I do prefer fcar though, the difference is small though that decent aim can make up for it.

[misty rampart]

true only issue is mag size 😦 lol

[stable igloo]

Mmhm

[misty rampart]

i fell like the fcar gets empty way too fast lol

[slate quail]

Depends, the FCAR apparently has a better ttk

[main sable]

feel like stun gun and glitch nade sort of ruin pvp

[stable igloo]

Someone said the fire rate on akm balanced out the ttk. But iirc fcar takes 2 less bullets to kill

[slate quail]

Light becomes kinda useless without them

[main sable]

pvp so stale without abilities

[minor bough]

used to use dmr in the beta hella and loved it because the fire rate was so good. they buffed the dmg it does but now it shoots slower and i literally cant use it anymore

[slate quail]

Even with the lower fire rate I’m pretty sure it kills faster. We can’t really know for certain yet, but multiple people tested it and found that

[slate quail]

That’s the downside of relying on your abilities for combat lol

[main sable]

isnt that what seperates the game from other run of the mill fps? using abiltiies?

[slate quail]

Theres more than just that. Either way, that’s kinda just what util does. Flash grenades aren’t fun, sonar grenades aren’t fun

[main sable]

yeah but they dont take away from one of the main aspects of the game

[slate quail]

Grenades aren’t fun to get hit with lol, you just gotta work around it

[slate quail]

I’d consider being able to see to be one of the main aspects of the game but that’s just me

[main sable]

i dont think u understand and thats ok; u can see in every game. what seperates this game is using abilities and having something that takes that away is sort of dumb

[slate quail]

Although I’m not sure why medium doesn’t have glitch grenades, they’re supposed to be the util class, it seems like it’d make sense for them

[wanton mortar]

i believe that the akm should have a slight dps boost to match other guns throughout the classes

[low moon]

NERF EVERYTHING

THE RIOT THE GRENADE LAUNCHER EVERYTHING

THE INVISIABLE GADGET

[subtle charm]

isnt that the point of it tho? to counter a counter? and ive used abilities like cloak and charge to be able to reposition myself in a better spot while flashed so ik its doable to be able to get out of it if ur quick

[stable igloo]

it'd be silly not to have something capable of temporarily disabling abilities. if it didn't exist you could just run a bunch of heavies and be fine because you can't deal with their shields reliably otherwise.

[stray lotus]

You need to be careful about making abilities too strong, because then you'll just run into the issue that Overwatch has, where if you happen to run into a 1v1 situation with your counter, you're basically dead. That shouldn't be how it is because you'd just be amplifying a problem that already exists (lack of teamwork). Everyone should be well equipped to have a balanced playing field in most 1v1 situations. You also need to keep trap gadgets down to a minimum or you run into the problem Siege had where 1) it's virtually impossible for newcommers, and 2) you decrease the quality of life for the majority of players.

Because of destruction and movement, this game is a chess match. You don't need to insert a dozen new abilities or gadgets to further complicate the playing field. The playing field is already enormously rich with possibility. I would lean into that by keeping everything else relatively vanilla. Let's not power creep this game in its first year.

[cunning wren]

The XP-54 in this game is cracked as fuck

If they nerf that shit imma be so sad

[wary galleon]

its cracked against everything except heavy

[misty rampart]

heavy cracks under pressure? lol

[main sable]

??? shields are not that good in an environment where literally everything is destructible? how much have you played

[main sable]

it doesn’t “counter” anything it literally takes away every option the other person has, there’s no “counter” to that

[tidal bear]

bro i think they meant the "shields" not the barricades. Like the dome and the mesh shield ability. and they're right, where you would have to physically push into their space they have set up. kinda stupid to do that lmao

[solemn nexus]

how do i counter gas grenades? i literally die at least 60% of my deaths to someone gassing me to death

[tidal bear]

there's and hear me out, team play don't all stand in one area and have a team8 back you up. im not 100% sure on this but, you could also place down mines and and stuff to back into so you go atleast 1 for 1

[cunning wren]

Okay true lol

[stable igloo]

those are what I meant yes. they move with the stage, the player, and the cashout. they're player controlled and not environment. glitch grenades is the only good way to deal with them other than recklessly pushing into a team of heavies with semi-auto shotguns and flamethrowers.

[tidal bear]

fire kills it and smoke kills fire

[stable igloo]

been playing plenty since cbt2 ty

[solemn nexus]

can i throw a fire on myself without dying? lol

[stable igloo]

no, you'll cook yourself.

[tidal bear]

no lol, just throw it into the area before hand so it puts out the gas

if there are mines just shoot them first then do it

[stable igloo]

just needs to touch some of the gas too. can toss it to a corner you won't go through and ignite it from there.

[solemn nexus]

do weapons have spread on top of the scope/sight animation?

sometimes it feels like if im midair, my sight is 100% on something (in test range) and my bullet flies randomly away

[fickle holly]

is it just me or is heavy's shotgun a little weird times? i'm using it close range but some shots just feel like they dont hit or they opponent takes little damage. am i doing something wrong?

[stable igloo]

theres definitely something going on with spread while mid-air/going into scope. had a very interesting kill yesterday that I do not agree with and I couldn't even say it was ping because of how off it was.

[somber tide]

thats the most braindead take ive ever read. so brainless

[stable igloo]

pretty sure that person is trolling or has only ever played old school CoD or battlefield.

[main sable]

it literally ruins the whole point of the game

[main sable]

we were talking about 1v1 situations

[tidal bear]

have you've ever played ow or valo? do you think sombra and kayo ruin those games?

[tidal bear]

there's your problem lol, you should never be in a 1v1

[main sable]

revenant on release? sombra was op on release?

[main sable]

if ur playing light it’s ur job to get into skirmishes from time to time

[small widget]

i 1v1 as a light all the time, I feel pretty confident on winning most of my 1v1s against any class

[solemn nexus]

what gun?

[small widget]

double barrel

[solemn nexus]

lol

[tidal bear]

sombra was really bad on realease lmaoooo, they had to buff her and rework her to hell to make her good, hell they just reworked her again so she would be viable. I cannot comment of rev since i did not play apex when he was realesed. however i haven't seen much of him before or after his rework.

[tidal bear]

would you say the glitch grenade is broken then? does that determine the 1v1?

[stable igloo]

I mean, in a 1v1 you'd just be better off using taser over glitch grenade I'd imagine.

[brave heath]

the should add 18x scope it would be so balanced!

[fresh cargo]

Does anyone know if you can like farm levels of items (for example: throwing and picking up c4's over and over or just throwing items whenever they are ready)
Also is there some kind of list that shows how each item is leveled up?

[abstract ridge]

Imagine if throwing knives were like COD knives

[fresh cargo]

god inf cod knives

[main sable]

literally impossible to win a 1v1 if u get stunned cloak + stun is one of the most broken combos in the game

[fresh cargo]

like stun gun?

[small widget]

yea stun is the counter to me 100%

[main sable]

yes bro it’s so annoying to play agaisnt

[abstract ridge]

What about when you get deagle headshot?

[small widget]

my 1v1's are generally won by movement. i use evasive dash

[main sable]

exactly even regular light movement is enough skill gap to win 1v1s but using stun eliminates it completely

[fresh cargo]

At least its not as good as the beta versions, they changed it once every beta taking away first not being able to shoot then something else then slow sense

[small widget]

especially since I only use double barrel. So if i'm stunned and they aren't close enogh to me (they usually aren't because V95 and MP5) there is nothing I can do

[fresh cargo]

they need to bring back the less sense for stun since just slowing is kinda trash for a light, all it takes is for the stunned person turning around and shredding you

[main sable]

sense is still too slow if ur going against someone w good aim time it takes to turn u get fried before u can do anything

[sage osprey]

Just a random complaint 💀 but why is nobody talkin about how broken the barrier shield is like why this mf gotta be indestructible 💀 then they hit you with the beep pop shotgun 😭😭

[small widget]

my other pretty hard counter is auto shotty. It's is extremely hard for me to 1v1 a heavy with the auto shotty

[fresh cargo]

yeah heavy is broken rn, with a 1 tap auto shotgun, both the shields and more + with having the highest health pool in the game its just a pain

[main sable]

1v1 heavy not even worth most of the time i deal like 230-245 in 1 clip and can’t kill they only need to deal 160 to kill me

[small widget]

and RPG

[fresh cargo]

the good thing is most heavy's are braindead but if you go up against one that isn't its just painful

[small widget]

As long as i don't see them holding the shotgun or an RPG i will generally go in and break their ankles, but if either of those weapons come out, i'm pretty fricked lol

[fresh cargo]

(rpg ptsd -_-)

[fresh cargo]

same lmao

[fickle radish]

the most pain are heavyes using rpg just for no reason

[tall briar]

Shouldn’t the class with the lowest health have the strongest guns?

[sage osprey]

Thank god im not alone idgaf about buffin light or anything 😭😭😭 JUST NERF THE FAT MAN

[fresh cargo]

exactly

[main sable]

i don’t think lights r meant to be glass cannons

[small widget]

there is a point where that would cause a shift in inbalance. The amount of movement lights have would be devastating if they had access to the strongest weapons in the game

[tall briar]

Hmm true

But still the health pool of light is non existent

[fickle radish]

not really, but definetly heavy shotgun need a bit of a nerf

[fresh cargo]

but instead they nerf the hell out of the light and do almost nothing for heavy's
also I have to say WHY THE HELL DID THEY NERF DAGGER BRO, sword is already much better then dagger and they nerfed dagger? -_-

also does anyone wanna queue? I'm tired of having self sabatoging re's on my team every single time

[small widget]

ima be in a 3 man for awhile but i can add you and if a slot opens up we can grind

[fresh cargo]

k thanks

[glacial agate]

What is the best lmg for heavy?

[fickle radish]

lewis

[hasty wagon]

Stun gun should get a buff the stun is actually really powerful as when you are hit by it your turning and movement is limited by a ton to the point there's really no counter even with high sense

[fickle radish]

a nerf then?

[hasty wagon]

Yeah that's what I meant sorry

[glacial agate]

This is the nerfed version 😆

[fickle radish]

i would reduce a bit the lengt of the stun imo

[hasty wagon]

I think the only way you can really survive a stun gun is if they stunned you while you are actively looking at the person who stunned you

Otherwise you better hope your teammates are near to help fight back

[glacial agate]

They removed sensitivity reduction, you should be able to move ur mouse now

[hasty wagon]

I play on a controller since I play on Xbox series x

[glacial agate]

Well or move your stick or whatever 😅

[hasty wagon]

Ahh did it get fixed recently I assume then? I just know it destroyed me two days ago haha. I didn't play yesterday cause I slept in all day since I had to work a long shift and I stayed up the night before playing finals all day

[glacial agate]

Idk i read it in patch notes yesterday night

U cant walk or run or use abilities but u should be able to aim freely

[stable igloo]

yea. you can turn normally while stunned now. The rest is the same as old stun now. Also you can only hip fire.

[versed estuary]

What is that second tower (I'm not talking about the special ability) for in medium?

[hasty wagon]

That makes sense why they would make it only hip fire I'll keep that in mind when I play tonight after work thanks!!

[hasty wagon]

Second tower?

[stable igloo]

they mean turret. APS turret I think its called. It stops projectiles (not bullets) from entering its area. so it'll delete rpg rockets, grenades, and things alike.

[versed estuary]

The APS Turret. I played with it but I didn't understand what it was for

[weak karma]

NERF THAT DAMN AUTO SHOTGUN

[hasty wagon]

The one that acts like a trophy system from cod?

Pretty much takes care of enemy nades and stuff

[tardy stratus]

So that’s what it does, I kept getting mad whenever it didn’t shoot down bullets

[stable igloo]

its pretty funny when someone is shooting at it with a grenade launcher. It sounds like R2D2 going off.

[fossil folio]

Does APS turrent work against RPGs and grenade launchers?

[hasty wagon]

Lol yeah it's there to protect you from getting naded to death. Or if you are me I tend to use both gas and explosive mines on my opponents

[versed estuary]

Oh, great. Thanks @hasty wagon @stable igloo

[stable igloo]

APS does this stuff

[hasty wagon]

I'm not sure honestly

Ahhh thanks eve

[stable igloo]

its pretty useful if placed right

[hasty wagon]

Wait would it stop me from throwing a chair or random mop bucket at them xD

[stable igloo]

I don't think so? I suppose I haven't tested that lol

[hasty wagon]

Totally not because I like to throw random asf objects at people lol and I'm a pretty accurate throw lmao

[stable igloo]

I killed someone with an explosive mine and a flower pot early by throwing it across a room. so.. random objects are dangerous.

[hasty wagon]

Lol I had a heavy low and threw the mop bucket right at his face killing them

[stable igloo]

beautiful. Guess you could say you mopped the floor with them

[hasty wagon]

Lmfao

[stable sphinx]

Jesus remove the sniper from the game entirely. Like seriously. Never once have I seen an L contribute anything of worth using it

[brisk snow]

can anyone explain me (i prefer in spanish) how this turret works? (in spanish is "SPA TURRET") (image of the turret: https://imgur.com/a/tchjEpQ )

[alpine steeple]

iirc it denies throwable gadgets from triggering

[proper kraken]

anyone know where to find the bamboo weapon i just bought the panda bundle

[topaz fable]

.

should be in there

[marsh heron]

the bamboo is for the sledgehammer afaik

[brisk snow]

º0º wtf?! i though it make invulnerable to the bullets (but not 100%, maybe 50%)

[blissful crag]

a giant aoe (rpg) shouldnt be more than 125 dmg been sayin this for every beta its crazy it still exists

[glacial agate]

yeah 125 is ok, should not one shot lights

[small widget]

agreeeed

even at 125 dmg it'll be absolutely devastating for us

[unique maple]

Meh everyone I encountered misses the rpg shot for some reason but they should make it to at least 100

[small widget]

yea it should, just not friggin 180. Also i still think the V9 has too much damn ammo lol

[slate cedar]

can your own gadgets hurt you, etc grenades and such

[glacial agate]

yes

[unique maple]

Give the fcar (scar) weapon have more bullets cause 20 per msg ain’t enough

[stable igloo]

fcar would be better if it had like, even 5 more bullets. probably comparable to akm, if not slightly better at that amount.

[slate cedar]

best short range weapon light body type that isnt a pistol?

[stable igloo]

hmm.. you specify short range, which has me leaning towards m11(x-54 prob just better overall now though) and sword. shotgun also exists, but that one is weird.

[opal valve]

WTF is wrong with the pistol

used to be so good now its trash

[stable igloo]

it was deemed overpowered and was nerfed. but not as much as it sounds. its ranged was reduced and its clip was reduced by 4. theres a recoil change as well I believe, but didn't feel much dif when I tried it.

[opal valve]

damage feels so underpowered

mag dump a medium and he turns around and mows you down with his ak quicker than you can say wtf

[unique maple]

People who rush u as a light and they just run straight will ofc be out powered

[solemn geyser]

are weapons only available by the character you select?

[wooden forum]

Use double barrel

[merry dagger]

the damage didn't change, only the recoil pattern. learn to aim

[tall raft]

buff throwing knives

[half fulcrum]

please embark

[tall raft]

i really feel like im throwing playing cards

[opal valve]

i think its the damage at range

[halcyon creek]

I would suggest training with them more, a friend of mine gets 15+ kills a game with them, they are absolutely fine.

[merry dagger]

oh yeah there's been damage falloff added. but if you're trying to use medium/long range, you have the LH1 and the Sniper rifle

[stable sphinx]

PFFFFFT skill issue

[half fulcrum]

throwing knives are ok but they lack 1v1 capability and right click is almost useless unless you catch someone off guard or luck out

[halcyon creek]

M2 + headshot easy kill

[tall raft]

the issue is not that throwing knives are unplayable, the issue is you can achieve the same if not better with every other weapon in the kit

[opal valve]

but then they are useless inside buildings

[inland ermine]

The sniper in the right hands is such a wild weapon if used well

[opal valve]

i think the ak and the fcar is just the best all rounder now

[inland ermine]

Its a very difficult weapon to balance tho, you cant just make it a 1 shot

[half fulcrum]

honestly if they wont change how right click works it should be a 1 shot against mediums otherwise they are ok

[jade mural]

light pistol still no changes after all the betas crazy

[inland ermine]

That would be broken as shit?

[half fulcrum]

if you dont kill a light in right click wind up you deserve the one shot

[tall raft]

why not? the double barrel does

[inland ermine]

1 shot a medium?

[tall raft]

yeah

[inland ermine]

I guess i just havent experienced that yet. Ive defs been domed on light by them, but medium one shot just shouldnt be a thing in the game in general.

The only change to something like throwing knives being good would be a Headshot multiplier buff, kinda like OW Kiriko

[tall raft]

yeah headshot multiplier would be a good change

but seriously use throwing knives and then use the double barrel and tell me the throwing knives are balanced

[half fulcrum]

i think best buff for them would be faster attack speed, less wind up time for right click and no jump inaccuracy

[inland ermine]

i agree with the jump inaccuracy.

[merry dagger]

honestly being able to hold the alt fire like you used to be able to hold the dagger alt fire would help it a long way

[inland ermine]

Maybe not shove all of that out at once

[merry dagger]

or at least be able to hold it for longer

[inland ermine]

• Headshot multiplier
• Larger Alt fire Buffer for them
• In air accuracy

those 3

[half fulcrum]

really my biggest gripe is right click, it feels really usless unless you're literally playing against monkeys

[tall raft]

or at least shorter wind-up for alt fire

[inland ermine]

How long is it right now, if we know the exact numbers

[tall raft]

all i know is you can throw 4 normal knives in the same time period, so why would you even bother

[half fulcrum]

its at least 2 seconds

[inland ermine]

Oh yeah thats too long, 1.25 or 1.5 would be better lmfao

[tall raft]

i didn't even realise there was jump inaccuracy

[inland ermine]

Yeah, same as when you are moving its more innaccurate aswell

[tall raft]

WHAT WHY????????????? omg i hate these things

[half fulcrum]

i aint timed it exactly but these are the only types of kills i get with it https://streamable.com/b6coxa

[inland ermine]

Its fine right now tbh, the jumping stuff needs to be removed with knives tho

[half fulcrum]

like if this guy wasnt reloading and oblivious id be dead instantly

[tall raft]

yeah i think i've realised its just this inaccuracy stuff, im now hitting everything when im standing still

[inland ermine]

Light is also completely underpowered unless you are running stun and glitch

[tall raft]

perhaps slightly, i think it's just too squishy. rebalancing health across the classes to L 200, M 275 and H 350 i feel would help, just bring the classes a bit closer together and slightly increase average TTK

[inland ermine]

Yeah

[half fulcrum]

ok i snipped it from animation start to fire and its def 2 seconds https://i.imgur.com/o0tNif5.png

wayyyy to long

[gloomy geode]

RPG NEEDS NERFED PLS

[inland ermine]

Do you play light?

Follow up question, do you have stun gun and glitch grenades unlocked on light. And are you running them

[shrewd vortex]

revolver is peak

[pure sigil]

Bro the random inaccuracy is soo brain-dead in the light pistol

[inland ermine]

Its fine

[safe perch]

So is anyone using mediums grenade launcher?

[tall raft]

yes i think its underrated
combine with zipline and pyro mine which you can shoot with the launcher

you can easily destroy ziplines, and activate mines, best weapon to defend a cashout with

get line of sight on the cashout and no one is stealing that

[safe perch]

I've found its a great defensive weapon, really good against the lights too since the splash doesn't rely on on-hit accuracy

[mortal sequoia]

they should add non iron sites

[astral warren]

y’all seen three turrets next to each other? HESUS

[safe perch]

Bonus points, grenade launcher is pretty nifty for killing them

[rough sail]

Thoughts on fcar mag size?

[floral temple]

or glitch nade

the amount of Lights running around without the glitch grenade is crazy, its like a flashbang and a gadget deleter all in one

[safe perch]

But that's perfect, their job is to be top frag

[rough sail]

Yea that’s exactly what I’m thinking

Like 25-27 would be golden I think but I’m not a game dev and that might screw the meta up or something🤷🏼‍♂️

[inland ermine]

^

[frail nexus]

being rezzed should just reload you

coming back and having to reload immediately usually just means you die

[barren plover]

that would be op tbh

rez is already great as is

[frail nexus]

it's OP for other reasons tho, I'm not talking just paddles

[hasty wagon]

Rez is great and the defib is greater cause it saves Rez time the only difference is full Rez gives max health while defib gives like 25-30% health back

[hasty wagon]

I mean maybe if they made it not instant health gain upon resurrection but maybe a little delay like 2-3 seconds then it would be okay but I think the current state is perfectly fine cause it's a fast paced game and that's how it is to be played

[frail nexus]

Rez as a mechanic needs it's own balance, I'm referring specifically to the rezzed person maybe/maybe not having to spend their first 10 sec reloading

[copper vault]

10s reloading??😂

[frail nexus]

the person reviving has no idea and the person coming back probably doesn't remember their ammo state

i see you aren't using that nade launcher! shit's slow. point stands tho ammirite

the slowest reloading weapons further reinforce the point because they are so bursty. Being rezzed with the autoshotty full vs empty is make or break

autoshotty is meta for heavy tho

idk what game you're referring to or how it relates to the balance of this one

I mean we agree that rez is powerful. I just think it makes sense for the person reviving to know the person they're reviving isn't a bad pick

[small widget]

are we talking about defib res or normal res?

[frail nexus]

both, because you come back and have to reload if you were out of ammo when you died

[small widget]

full ammo on defib res would be op

[frail nexus]

I think that's because defib is extremely strong

[mortal basin]

they NEED to add reload stages, if you pull out the mag and swap between items the mag should be gone when you pull the gun back out to save time etc. the 1887 ESPECIALLY needs this

[frail nexus]

I don't disagree with that either, unl;ess we're talking being revived.

[mortal basin]

ejecting a shell and putting it back in 7 times to get 0 ammo is awful, such a waste of time to reload the 1887

[solar salmon]

are all sonars (recon sense, sonar grenade, motion sensors) shared to your teammates?

[frail nexus]

I think that rez should balanced as a super powerful util but under the assumption that the person being revived will always be on equal footing. Having it dependent on how much ammo you had loaded when you died is a problem imo

[last heart]

yeah

[high marten]

smokes need to be smokier brugh i thought i was getting sprayed through smoke but im actually getting gunned down

[rapid jungle]

Is it better to use the fcar over the akm?

I see that it does more damage but any input on if it is a more effective weapon?

[thorny mirage]

ak is usually better for the ammo

[high marten]

ik controller fares better with certain hard hitting no recoil guns

[small widget]

imo AK is superior. you can kill 2 mediums in a single mag. you're not gonna do that on a fcar

[slate quail]

up to you. DPS wise, FCAR is better and has less recoil, but that needs you to hit your shots

[rapid jungle]

Hmm ok interesting, ty for the input yall!

[slate quail]

In my opinion, the fewer bullets is almost made up for with the accuracy and damage boost. I do think it needs like, 4-5 more rounds tho

[rapid jungle]

Another question, does a gas grenade hurt your or your teammates or only opponents?

[slate quail]

gas hurts everyone

[rapid jungle]

Oof ok so it's a double edged sword

[slate quail]

actually wait lemme double check

[novel fox]

it definitely hurts teammates

[rapid jungle]

Ok good to know, thanks

[novel fox]

bonus: on moving platforms the gas is stationary and doesn't move with the platform, so you could pop gas on the front platform, and then the two following platforms will have to move through

[slate quail]

Yeah, fire and gas both

[rapid jungle]

Yeah i figured that out today which is very interesting for strategy

[cloud oracle]

anyone can help me with kbm

[sly lake]

Is there something that clears gas
Like the smoke clearing fire

[lofty jungle]

fire clears gas

[sly lake]

Thank you
That's huge

[lofty jungle]

gas also clears smoke

basically rock paper scissors

[sly lake]

Ohhh

[tidal mist]

lf2 m ranked sweaty pm me

[iron nexus]

Anyone knows where the linuxsupport is staying??

[coarse flicker]

I feel like The FCAR should have like 25 bullets instead of 20. The ak has 36 and the pistol for lights has 20. You're telling me the light pistol has the same amount of bullets and does more dmg? Fcar 25 bullets is still balanced imo

[slate quail]

Real

[coarse flicker]

Either a couple more bullets or a little bit more damage than ak could be a great change I think

[rugged kiln]

this *

[radiant rain]

The pistol is restricted to it's very close effective range while FCAR's range is huge, coupled with a large ads zoom factor. Balanced, imo

[coarse flicker]

The pistol is 100% still effective at almost the same range while being used. If you use them both in game you will see they're almost equal in range

[dire lake]

^^^

NEED

[fading lake]

is fcar like semi-automatic gun?

[lusty salmon]

No

[slate quail]

Unlockable medium AR based off the SCAR. It’s full auto

[main anvil]

U can try all weapon in practice

[fading lake]

alright. gonna try all of them before buy it

[peak sundial]

whats the best weapon for an agressive heavy class

[fickle radish]

i would say shotgun or lewis depending on the map and enemy teams

[peak sundial]

ok

[hollow kestrel]

remove invis for lights🗣️

[old beacon]

i would use mesh for the Q, shotgun, also take rpg and dome shield and then a third nade of your choice

[deft quiver]

haha that’s my go to

[crisp nova]

Honestly… invis is not really like… a skill ability to have.

[blazing cradle]

Remove fat ppl

[crisp nova]

Like I feel like that rage ability on tanks that allow you to run through walls takes more skill because you can use the distance of that for movement to get out of fights or if you know the exact distance to get to a certain spot with it and catch the enemy off guard but invis… it just takes no skill.

Or even engaging fights or that clutch up moment where the cashout is in a spot where u have to go through multiple environments and walls and stairs and you just need to be there at the cashout NOW. But invis… yeah let me just pop this enemy’s can’t see me I shoot when I want and be a nuisance because I use something takes absolutely no skill and can be reenabled whenever I want. If anything nerf it so that you can use it after a certain amount of time like… 8-10 seconds.

[tall raft]

lewis with dome shield

[crisp nova]

Is the Lewis better than the first LMG?

[tall raft]

i prefer it personally, i havent done the math though

[crisp nova]

I see, I’ll go look later.

[tall raft]

visibility is better

[crisp nova]

That’s big tbh. The first LMG’s vis is a little harder.

[small widget]

Well this got super sketchy super quick

[crisp nova]

I did the same exact thing yesterday and got a triple kill.

[small widget]

im glad that revolver didn't hit me lol

[crisp nova]

Word, revy is good.

rewarding when u land your shots

[small widget]

im so mad shadowplay is scuffed in this game for me. i had a 1v5 earlier. i'm using windows capture now and it surprisingly works better

[warm lion]

always has been

[crisp nova]

What about it is better? I haven’t compared stats yet.

[warm lion]

slightly better dps, better recoil, sights,

[crisp nova]

Word alrighty.

[hollow kestrel]

or make ppl using invis somewhat visible, like see through, not fkin harry Potter invis cloak

[warm lion]

but cloakers are somewhat visible

[stable igloo]

You can hear the cloak noise pretty well too

Invis is simply countered by awareness

[cold lantern]

anyone know, are the decoded spirit skins are guns or just skins for the existing guns

[boreal thunder]

how to remove screen tearing wituoat vsync ?

[small widget]

better monitor and use freesync/gsync

and a pc capable of utilizing the monitor to most of its potential

[tall raft]

is the frag grenade bad?

not sure what to think of it

[stable igloo]

its great in some situations. depends if you can reliably land a good throw since you can't properly cook it in this game.

[warm lion]

i mean it's decent damage that can't be countered by the other grenades directly

just kinda boring lol

[small widget]

i get quite a lot of kills with it tbh

[dawn bronze]

Has the shield a chance at being competetive?

[warm lion]

if you're talking about the heavy shields
yeah

it's been the meta since forever

[stable igloo]

I Imagine they're referring to riot shield though

[warm lion]

i'd just say no lol

[obsidian wave]

fcar has horrible recoil for range

[dawn bronze]

I will just continue to play Shield and Baton until Embark feels bad enough for me to buff it lol

[stable igloo]

I can't really think of how they would buff it in a meaningful way. In the meantime, I'll shoot your toes.

[dawn bronze]

speed boost so I can catch you

[stable igloo]

suddenly I'm curious if I can put an explosive mine on the shield.

[warm lion]

i'll just jump at you and look to my right

[dawn bronze]

Lol. Just put a C4 on it by a teammate and run into the enemy team

[dawn bronze]

Yea shield also blocks while not deployed

[stable igloo]

you laugh but that would be a good way to deal with heavies that are setup with multiple shields.

[warm lion]

i know
i always play it since cb2

[dawn bronze]

tru

[warm lion]

even funnier was the bug that lets it protect you from the front even if you weren't blocking

[dawn bronze]

Most people right now don't know what to do when encountering riot shields because not many people play with it... but your team has to have your back or you are toast.

Right now I'm playing alone, so of course it sucks. But I bet with a team built around it it could be ag reat tool to hold locaitons and chase people away

[stable igloo]

riot shield can be hard to deal with if they sneak on you, but if you see them ahead of time they can't really do much.

[warm lion]

i've been thinking of adding zips to my build so i can just rush people faster

[dawn bronze]

People don't know how to kill me even if I come straight to them lol

[stable igloo]

gotta love new players

[warm lion]

we breaking controller players' thumbs

[stable igloo]

oh god, I didn't even think about that. controller players probably struggle with riot shield huh. due to aim assist.

[obsidian wave]

just gotta get around them or grenade em

[stable igloo]

easier said than done in a tight corridor

[obsidian wave]

i play light with throw knives

[stable igloo]

I stand corrected.

[obsidian wave]

heavy or medium might struggle more tho def

[dawn bronze]

If they really want this to be a main weapon they need to remove the toes.

Attacking is already blocking you deploying the shield for a long ass time, so then I would at least like to be safe when I manage to deploy it.

[stable igloo]

don't worry, others will remove their toes for them.

[dawn bronze]

I guess people would feel it's unfair very quickly. But what else do riot shield players have? Even without the toe hitbox you can easily outpace or surround us

Also fire and explosives counter us too

[stable igloo]

honestly riot shield is certainly a weird one. out of all the melees its the one that feels the least like it should be primary.

[dawn bronze]

Gimme at least protection from one side

I just like the style of gameplay

[crisp nova]

It is…

[stable igloo]

going to take a guess and assume you misread what I said.

[dawn bronze]

That'S why I like it. It feels very different. But I guess if they buff it to something viable it's not fun to play against anymore

[crisp nova]

I see

[stable igloo]

but yea. Its a headache of an item and frankly I'm surprised they added it. You can't buff it without making it awful to play against, but same time its current state is just short of worthless.

[dawn bronze]

I just defended a point with my team and got 5 kills...

Its deffo not useless lol

[stable igloo]

was it in a building?

[last heart]

what does mouse focal length sensitivity scaling mean?

[tall raft]

does gas do more damage than fire?

[stable igloo]

Yes, but is easier to deal with

[tall raft]

basically means your sensitivity feels the same when you zoom in, most obvious with the sniper rifle
if you turn that off it wont try to compensate when you zoom in

i suggest leaving it on

[last heart]

thanks 🙏

[crisp nova]

How do I use text chat in The Finals?

[silk viper]

There is no text chat

[dawn bronze]

Shield comeback lol

[crisp nova]

How do I use text chat?

[cobalt coyote]

how do i use text chat

[lyric cove]

yo, just did a little testing and it seems on v9S it doesnt register any headshot damage after 200 ish meters. mannequins indicated succesful headshot yet no headshot multiplier, keep this in mind fellow light mains. ak registers headshot damage all the way to the end of the range

[glossy nebula]

Ayo, is it better to run fire or gas?

[tender dew]

fire

[steady chasm]

Skins for existing guns

[main cosmos]

How do text chat?

[lucid quiver]

Why isn’t there a game mode where you’re supposed to destroy stuff and you get money for how much you destroy?

[inland ermine]

I got this aswell. Or atleast have been feeling it. Try swapping to the Scoped sub. Its defs the meta gun for light

[inland ermine]

They need a teardown mod for Finals XD

[small widget]

it would be heavy only 😦

[lyric cove]

switched medium for comp, its just more viable rn, the kit is also better for team play. im kinda bummed abt the pistol tho. the dmg falloff is not such a big issue imo but no headshot multiplier after just 200m is kinda overkill imo. especially out in the open. gas mine is also automatic light delete lol

[inland ermine]

Agreed

[thick dew]

v95 NEED A BUF

[south sphinx]

I love German

[vapid inlet]

i think i hate most of the gadgets tbh lol. hate all the shields and healing beams and shit. hope they do a limited time mode that removes them for a bit lol.

[misty rampart]

did u try using pyro nade and pyro mine it can be hilarious

[vapid inlet]

oh yeah i mean those are fun i just mean i don't like the tacky stuff like the invisiblity and all the shields and that stuff.

[dawn bronze]

Creative play and dynamic is one of the pillars of this game.

[misty rampart]

yeah invi is a bit op to me vs heavy but i think the variety is so fun and makes the game different and fun

[vapid inlet]

just want to smash stuff with my hammer and blow things up it's as simple as that lol

[misty rampart]

sledge main with rpg and frag 😛

[inland bone]

yall know if they got plans to add any more weapons and gadgets?

[dawn bronze]

We got new items with Season 1 so I imagine every season brings something new.

[inland bone]

true true

[livid pendant]

this game has potential to be so big but crosshairs are awful and the guns are not great yet you should do a more tracking based game like overwatch and it would blow up

[marsh heron]

this game has a quarter million players on steam alone how would copying a dead game like OW make it "blow up"?

[cursive mulch]

its litro not bc u can see them lmao

[fleet lava]

I only have one bit of feedback and its regarding one gadget. Remove the stun from the game comepletely. It's way too strong and has no business being as readily available as it is. the final rounds of tournaments and ranked tournaments just becomes a stun off already and when more people realize this its only going to bring down the strategy and versatility of class and gadget usage that this game has to offer.

[frigid ibex]

What does more damage fire or gas?

[fleet lava]

Gas does more while your in it, but fire has the effect of also staying on your body and doing extra damage for a short time after you step out of where the grenade went off. the gas doesnt stick with you or follow you at all

[frigid ibex]

what do you think is better overall?

[whole ginkgo]

fire

[misty rampart]

i think it depends on ur game style

[undone turret]

Nahhhh

[warm lion]

go enjoy your gas when there's flamethrower 😏

[whole ginkgo]

gas is pretty much useless and too easy to avoid

[misty rampart]

if u use it has a mine it can destroy a team in a small zone like in cashout

[warm lion]

i don't even use gas or fire outside of messing with cashout stealers

[whole ginkgo]

mines are just broken, I think they were asking about normal nades

[south ridge]

Stungun still work or was it nerfed to the ground?

[fleet lava]

Gas is better for defending cash outs and such, fire is better for player damage when your also trying to shoot someone/ when you know someone isnt going to be in the same spot for too long. if someone steps into fire even for just a sec as a light or medium it does some considerable damage. both are situational

[misty rampart]

oh my bad must have missread but nades can do that too i think using them myself in situations

[warm lion]

i mean it at least disables gadget usage and abilities now

[fleet lava]

stungun is massively OP, most broken thing in the game right now, go have fun. IMO it should be removed entirely

Stungun+Silenced pistol is a free win in final round of a tourney / ranked tourney, having only one team you have to silence makes it so insanely strong

[frigid ibex]

Just in general

[brazen tiger]

can anyone tell me if the vanishing bomb is worth buying for the light build or should i just skip it and buy something else?

[inner mica]

Nope. High DPI seems to bypass the stun gun completely. I have had people 180-degree turn while stunned, more than once, and with different people in the same match. This isn't even ranked. It's just regular tournaments. I have died due to it.

If anything, they should put a cap on how quickly people can turn cause it's actually not fair in general if people can bypass a feature of the gadget depending on a personal preference/DPI switches.

[small widget]

i would definitely not say it's the most op thing in the game, but i will say i will shed no tears if it got removed. It's definitely an anti-fun gadget

[spare cargo]

Thoughts on making the streaks that follow behind the throwing knives more visible? Its really hard to see where they are going/landing the longer the range u throw them at which makes it extremely hard to adjust ur aim and calculate drop when u can barely see where they go/end up

idk if theres a suggestion channel anywhere

[lyric cove]

Are we playing the same game gas is metaaaa

[spare cargo]

love running into a building and there being 4 gas clouds on each side of the room 🥰 nothing better than dying to air as a light with 150 hp

[merry dagger]

Keep pyro grenades available in your loadout, fire clears goo and gas

[spare cargo]

not enough fire grenades to deal with all the gas thats everywhere, but i get u, does clearing gas with fire leave fire there or remove both?

[merry dagger]

You know I’m actually not sure, gimme a second to check in the range

Pretty sure it just clears the gas

[granite marsh]

SWAP AROUND 'RECON SENSES' and 'CLOAKING DEVICE'

[warm lion]

but why

that doesn't help light hit and run directly

[small widget]

i can't imagine a single light in the entire game would trade cloak for recon

[spare cargo]

Also please let me hold and release the right click on the throwing knife, the left click can be spam, but the right click is so slow and awkward to time it would make much more sense to hold right click and release when ready to throw it

[warm lion]

god bless

[spare cargo]

?

[warm lion]

i agree

[spare cargo]

oh okay gotcha, yeah it just feels odd to not be able to hold it

[still cobalt]

C4 is insane

[warm lion]

it just feels wrong to not be able to do it

[small widget]

so is breach charge

[spare cargo]

exactly cus if u misstime that slow ass right click u are just stuck there not being able to throw for like a solid second or something

[small widget]

definitely my favorite gadget along with glitch nades

[spare cargo]

that and increasing the visibility of the streak they leave through the air when thrown it is so hard to see where the fuck they are going at longer ranges

[pure sigil]

bro how is it op ? it doesnt even stun now lmao , now its a ability to stop people from looting the cash

[spare cargo]

it was op, i dont see how it can still be after they removed the sensitivty debuff it gave

[small widget]

as a light main who hasn't touched a nother class for even a single match since full release, i would be ecstatic if they removed stun gun lol

[keen wagon]

what is the best weapon rn? for light and medium

[brazen tiger]

for light, either M11 or XP 54 and for medium, CL 40

[small widget]

k but, SH1900

[spare cargo]

all med weapons are p good overall i dont think one trumps the others. revolver is obv hardest but still good, same with the shotgun

[still cobalt]

yes

[small widget]

are you also an enjoyer of making IEDs with it? lol

[still cobalt]

haha yes

[vast aspen]

Is the sniper on light any good?

[dry stream]

Good for niche holds if you have high ground

[small widget]

i will abuse this forever

[dry stream]

but bubble exists, so hard pass

[small saffron]

I love doing this

[dry stream]

you did the tracer boop there lmao

[small saffron]

Also cloutan I love your pfp

[brazen tiger]

ok now i kinda wanna try the sh1900, kinda shit that i need to grind VR again

[dry stream]

anyone find a good strat for the vanish bomb yet?

[wicked shadow]

is there a faster way to gain VR than to just win? does ranked give more? battle pass?

[small widget]

that was me whiffing btw, you can two tap mediums if you hit all pellets, and one shot lights if you barrel stuff them

[dry stream]

seems gimmicky but strong with good coordination, could get your team some optimal positioning

[granite marsh]

the point is the cloak mains are now playing bigger hitbox charactersss while recon would work as a good alternative for people who wanna stay small hitbox mains

[small saffron]

It might be good with the taser or getting out but I’m not sure. Or if you coordinate it, it could be used for a team surprise attack

[marsh heron]

I had a light teammate who was using it to stealth himself in conjunction with the dash specialization to completely bamboozle people during combat

[brazen tiger]

battle pass is cosmetic only and haven't tried ranked, but you need to do really really well in a quick play match, otherwise you aren't getting much

[wicked shadow]

i often get killed faster while cloaked, standing still

[small widget]

cloak only makes sense for the light though, they have 150 hp

[dry stream]

can you vanish a teammate cashing out or reviving and they stay invis?

[brazen tiger]

thankfully i can always land shots so seems like a perfect weapon to use

[small widget]

it's by far my favorite weapon, besides my first match to get the vr to unlock it, it's literally the only weapon i've usedon full release lol

[wicked shadow]

sawed off shotgun is really the scout from TF2 🙂

[brazen tiger]

cool, thanks for the recommendation, now i gotta grind 1600 VR for the gun and stun gun as heavy and then ill finally stop playing as heavy and play other builds

[small widget]

stun is mid, glitch is where its at

[warm lion]

but stun has glitch

[small widget]

it doesn't stop turrets and mines and domes tho, and it's not like you need help killing someone using the double barrel

i'm being a bit harsh, i just really don't like the stun gun, but i do think glitch is the better utility

[brazen tiger]

imo, i just wanna get the stun so i can get free kills easily and get a high k/d but i could get the glitch grenade right after unlocking the two

[small widget]

i gave up on my kd lol, i just run around like a madman

[hardy fable]

bring back old stun gun was best counter to heavys as a light much harder to kill heavys now

[small widget]

it is what it is at this point, we're just here for the style points now

[small widget]

please don't do that lol. beta stun gun was absolutely overpowered

[hardy fable]

yes but it was a good counter to tanks

[wicked shadow]

i just unlocked Stun Gun, it still seems to do enough to secure kills
1 thing it helps a lot with is when they are reviving and your TTK is "just" not enough to kill them and suddenly you are facing 2

[brazen tiger]

it's funny how you gave up on your k/d but yet you still got a near perfect 1.4-5 k/d

[small widget]

double barrel puts in work man, i do die a lot tho

and that is 99.99% double barrel, only my first match was with the M11

[granite marsh]

idk why a lil hp difference would would stop cloak making sense I think it would work fine

[small widget]

haven't touched medium or heavy yet and i'm probably not going to

[granite marsh]

L

[warped night]

Pro tip. If you need to cash put but enemies are around. The goo grenade and create a wall between you and them so you can be safer

[brazen tiger]

you should try heavy, but besides using CL-40 on medium, it's pretty much a shit build

[small widget]

idk if i can, the speeeeed lol i need it!

i played them in the betas a decent bit, and then discovered this loadout after getting spanked by some dude named The Rizzler, and i never looked back. Evasive Dash and Double Barrel was my calling

[granite marsh]

SWAP AROUND 'RECON SENSES' and 'CLOAKING DEVICE'

[small widget]

noooo

[granite marsh]

YEEEEEEEEEEEE

[fickle radish]

i'm the only one thinking that speed on ladders should be increased by a little bit? Like you are fast af on everything an then you climb a ladder and you became slow af

[brazen tiger]

i don't really mind the speed on ladders, i only use it if it's the quickest option but i would prefer to use other stuff like the stairs or the grappling hook if i get the choice to

[radiant rain]

I guess the devs want to encourage players to look for alternative routes. Like elevators are also extremely slow but kind of convenient.

[fickle radish]

yeah i think the same actually. I mean, i never use ladders

[warped night]

I was able to use the elevator and close the doors while cashing out to win it. Didn’t realize I could until I saw the prompt on the buttons

[strong wolf]

nerf c4 barrels

[granite marsh]

SWAP AROUND 'RECON SENSES' and 'CLOAKING DEVICE'

[small widget]

[small widget]

it's not happening dude lol

[solid ginkgo]

anyone found a way to make the dagger work?
the sword seems just better in any way, given how close you have to get
the backstab seems to be very slow too

[brazen tiger]

yeah dagger is one of the most useless weapons and only useful for tricks

[solid ginkgo]

tricks? do you mean like montage plays, just to look cool?

[brazen tiger]

yeah?

[solid ginkgo]

sadge, I had hoped I just missed something with it, so it's just bad :/

[brazen tiger]

pretty much dont use daggers and use another weapon like the m11 or xp or sh1900

[civic turret]

battlepass worth it?

[small widget]

if you like the cosmetics and want to get 400ish multibucks, and if yo uplan on maxing out the battlepass yea

[hollow kestrel]

id say yes, only if you completed it tho, id buy it in the end

[brazen tiger]

yeah, pretty much if you buy 1150 coins for the battlepass and keep maxing it out then you pretty much have infinite battle passes

[small widget]

btw buy the starter pack, it's the same price as the battle pass, and it gives you the 1150 multibucks back and then you can buy battlepass with that

so you basically get the battlepass and a few extra cosmetics

[civic turret]

Ty guys ❤️

[solar perch]

Made it to the finals

[granite marsh]

WE'LL DO IT ANYWAY

[wicked shadow]

i honestly don't care much about skins, emotes and all that so i'm a lousy customer to the F2P games. That said, i'm probably going to buy "something" because this game is so amazing and i really want to support the devs.
That said if i could get VR's faster i wouldn't mind that either, i like playing around with different weapons/loadouts and now i'm unlocking stuff i'm not entirely happy with, just to try it

[upper fulcrum]

i hate mines

[misty rampart]

Everyone does lol

[thick dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFs-AF2cucQ

[granite marsh]

I accident put all my money for christmas into skins before even playing one game

[jovial matrix]

1500 to be exact if you finish you make more than you spend

[subtle charm]

i feel like the mac for light should be buffed

cant see a reason running it when the mp5 is a better option

[hardy surge]

Auwch 72 losses

[near nest]

nerf shields pls

[rich quartz]

glitch grenades

[fading field]

What? U sure?

[crisp shadow]

I really like how the throwing knives have a reskin of playing cards

[near nest]

how about removing glitch and nerfing shields

[worldly sedge]

can frag nades clear gas?

[blazing cradle]

Increase scar mag please, 20 bullets is not enough at all

[cursive wharf]

I’ve only played a few games but the fact that the first like 6-8 shots on the AK has WILD recoil then is has absolutely 0 after that bothers me. Anyone know if that’s on purpose or if it was just messed up on launch?

[fossil willow]

27 or 35 seem right

[blazing cradle]

Exactly!

[fossil willow]

🤝

[blazing cradle]

🤝

[clever pilot]

When will the game journalists realize there is no one “best loadout” for the finals

[wanton mortar]

akm dps increase so heavies cant just rush a medium down without being punished

[clever pilot]

Nope. Heavy health decrease instead

300 would make it much more balanced

[wanton mortar]

shotgun and granade launcher deal with heavies well enough but the assault rifles have a difficult time even when hitting consistent headshots

[stable igloo]

if you're hitting a heavy with consistent headshots assault rifle does fine, its body shots when it doesn't. Also other factors that like "how close are they?" need to be accounted for. you shouldn't win a close up fight vs a heavy with anything but headshots with a shotgun.

[wanton mortar]

yeah but when they are rushing, even from a medium range they cover so much distance and can two tap with sledge

[stable igloo]

if they can close the distance with a sledgehammer than you already fucked up massively with positioning. NOBODY should come out of that safely lol

[arctic ridge]

whats the best light specialization i thought it was cloak but people are telling me its easy to track

[wanton mortar]

yeah but they can go through walls effectively

[stable igloo]

cloak/dash. dash would prob be better long term. cloak a lot of people are bad at noticing.

[stable igloo]

thats what good awareness and sonars are for

[karmic hazel]

have shotguns became less reliable? i dont know it feels like its diffirent

[cerulean ridge]

What’s better pyro bomb or gas gernade

[zealous furnace]

Should the silenced pistol be nerfed?

[twin crest]

gas grenade

[stable igloo]

preference/situational, honestly this gets asked enough that it should be in an FAQ. lol
fire= less damage than gas, removed by smoke (only light has smoke grenade), leaves a DoT after people leave it.
gas=higher damage, removed by fire (everyone has pyro, heavy has flamethrower), no DoT effect. much higher likelihood of killing people dumb enough to stay in it

[wanton mortar]

i understand that game sense has a large part in the effectiveness of everything, however the time to kill on so many other weapons are so short (e.g. grenade launcher on medium, sniper on light, most melee weapons) especially compared to medium's assault weapons. honestly maybe just lowering the time to kill on the other weapons to a comparable level would be a better solution, however that would take a lot more effort and tweaking, with a large margin of error compared to just boosting the dps on the akm slightly.

[stable igloo]

I don't really feel this to be honest. sniper and melee both have a major caveat to account for the low TTK. grenade launcher's caveat is its low destructive power and risk to the user. If you're up right in the face of a grenade launcher they're much more likely to kill themselves before they kill you. melee is ofc, melee range and people can complain about sniper all they want. Its the same case in any FPS, it takes a lot of skill to use properly, bodyshots just aren't enough to kill people unless you position poorly. AKM/FCAR have the benefit of being functional in any situation. semi-long ranged, medium ranged, short ranged at the cost of a slower TTK.

[candid fox]

Every teamate I've seen using sniper doesn't get a single kill with it

[stable igloo]

thats more or less what I mean aqua lol, its got the lowest TTK of any weapon, but that doesn't matter if people can't use it.

[obsidian wave]

Sniper is good just wish it had higher damage. Feels like a long-range shotgun with a scope

[wanton mortar]

i understand this sentiment and i agree mostly, however the situations in, for instance cash out, are so close quartered and encounter focused, where the bank is inside a room with ~3 entrances and the mines and turret are guarding each one. really in this frequent situation the most effective weapons would be reduced to the close ranged shotgun/flamethrower/melee variety. I agree that the sniper is quite situational, and in my proposed hypothetical it would be sub optimal, but the other options for light such as the M11 and V95 just shred at closer ranges- even with the ammo nerf with the pistol. Not to mention the SH1900 sawed off.

[brazen tiger]

i mean it's op but you need to have perfect aim to get kills easily

[sturdy zenith]

w

[obsidian wave]

Any of the light weapons shred at close range. They’re a close range expert, which is why they also have low enough Hp you can 1 tap with so many things

Exception would be sniper and SAR ofc

[sand geyser]

Medium guide (coming from a pro):
Gadets:

1. Defibrilator (it's a must have
2. Movement item (jump pad/zipline)
3. A meta gadets of your choice (prefferably APS turret or gas mine)
   Weapons:
   AKM is an obvious pick
   Other weapons require different playstyles:
   shotgun/riot shield - up close and personal
   nade launcher - good for area control but bad for consistent frags
   revolver - slightly better than AKM ifyou can hit your shots
   FCAR - worse version of AKM, better for range

[obsidian wave]

I used fcar cause it has a sight. Hate iron sight weapons

Wonder if they’ll ever allow us to change optics for the guns. Ie iron sights on a sniper, red dot on akm etc

[sand geyser]

I doubt it

[stable igloo]

Think they said something along the lines of wanting to avoid weapon mods to prevent metas

[warm lion]

i mean having a consistent model makes it easier for skins to look better
take a look at the cardboard sniper

[stable igloo]

Otherwise everyone would run the same setups and situational would go out the window

[obsidian wave]

I mean yeah don’t go cod style mods but, optics are mostly visual

Only main difference would be like no scope on a sniper, or long scope on an AR like akm. Everything else just visual

And on the topic of skins, have limited ones at that so it’s easy to incorporate them into skins. Not 30 difference optics like cod lol

[warm lion]

soda can v9s is just iconic

[stable igloo]

Stick sword is the only melee weapon worth using

[obsidian wave]

Lmfao. I like the playing cards skin for the throwing knives

[pure sigil]

glitch should break shields

[stable igloo]

They do

[glass quartz]

maybe the pistol or m11 should have a lil point scope... would change everything

[unreal oar]

should i spend my vrs on vanishing bomb?

[glass quartz]

nope dont do it, its making you invisble not the player and its kinda useless, for ME

[unreal oar]

what about stun gun?

[brazen tiger]

100% worth it if you want fast kills and a high k/d

[glass quartz]

stun gun can be powerful

[unreal oar]

nice thats what ill do, im good with obj score but i have issues securing kills. thanks fellas

[glass quartz]

alw again

[brazen tiger]

np, i'd also recommend using sh1900 with the stun gun, pretty much a god if you have both combined

[unreal oar]

ill try it out, gotta save up some more vrs lol. also is there any news on beta cosmetics, i didnt get mine carried over

[brazen tiger]

nobody got their beta cosmetics carried over

we are all back to square one yet again like the alpha to beta

[glass quartz]

what is kinda sad xd i had a so sexy costume

[unreal oar]

ikr, so what was the point of halloween event

[stable igloo]

I do feel like we're missing perma rewards from cbt though, which is weird

[brazen tiger]

idk, probs a limited time thing for the beta but all the cosmetics most likely will come back next halloween

[unreal oar]

:((

[obsidian wave]

I just want my suit skin again lol

[stable igloo]

Spinny chair

[unreal oar]

im banking that its just an error and they will replace them

[brazen tiger]

that's because we are, nothing got transported over lol

[obsidian wave]

Well except #1169229124028616774 if those didn’t carry over contact support

[stable igloo]

Things from obt we're transferred

[obsidian wave]

Everything else, store skins etc was just beta only and not transferred. They weren’t gonna give us 10k coins worth of stuff for free lol

[stable igloo]

Will need to look through that then, definitely missing battle pass rewards from cbt2

(Ones tagged permanent)

[unreal oar]

we beta tested for them they could throw us a lil sum sum

[brazen tiger]

kinda sucks that none of the rewards from the open beta battlepass transported over, i spent time getting to the max level, same with the alpha/demo for the finals before the beta

[stable igloo]

They did through

[thin canopy]

hi

[brazen tiger]

i haven't gotten anything though lmao

[glass quartz]

@brazen tiger yeah me too and i wonder where the bunny head is it was so nice

[brazen tiger]

i just came back to the game with nothing on me

[glass quartz]

yh i was so sad and shocked abt that cuz i had so nice stuff

[unreal oar]

same :((

[stable igloo]

pretty sure this was from OBT

[brazen tiger]

if i remember i think that was a shop skin which anything from the shop wasn't transferred

[stable igloo]

this one I know for sure was in the OBT battle pass.

[glass quartz]

yh also for the m11 is a skin from beta there but thats not the same with our skins and stuff yk xd

how do u send screenshots in here? i cant send pics

[brazen tiger]

yeah, checked through my skins and havent received a single thing from the open beta

[stable igloo]

to support it is then

[brazen tiger]

think it's because you need to rank up in the server

[stable igloo]

Also, going off the cbt2 rewards vids, I actually did get my cbt2 stuff. but I swear there was some cowboy stuff tagged as permanent there.

[glass quartz]

ah okey

[unreal oar]

hopefully its a bug that they will fix, im sure they have a lot of other more critical things to work on rn tho

[glass quartz]

yh and they have to do the shop i mean they have to create more skins for charakter and weapons cuz the shop is for 2 days the same

[brazen tiger]

tbh, don't really care about the alpha/open beta stuff, i mean it does bug me that i didn't get it but I got the season 1 battle pass for the game and i just mainly care for the gameplay and future for the game (unlike a certain zombie "MMO" extraction shooter that came out on the same day as the finals......)

[glass quartz]

they got some work to do yeah and not less xd but i think they will get it soon and maybe it wasnt a bug maybe they will come back just u have to buy knew or some games do it it like u have to play some quests for the items yk? maybe the will do the same idk

[stable igloo]

I agree with this mostly. I didn't care about the rewards outside of the cowboy outfit from cbt2. but thats mostly due to an in-joke with friends lol

[misty rampart]

share with the class

[stable igloo]

Got a friend from texas that goes yee-haw a lot, so anytime we play with them we always do cowboy outfits

[misty rampart]

niceeeeeeeeeeee

[obsidian wave]

I’ve beta tested a lot of games. Never do I get anything really that carried over minus maybe a skin or something, except they never are decent looking skins just happy to play the game before it released tbh

[prime cliff]

anyone know if the smoke canisters put out gas like it does fire?

tryna figure out how to stop the gas lmao

[prime acorn]

the gas doesnt stop, the gas is coming the gas is coming the gas is coming the gas is coming

also the riot shield blocks damage from the front right?

[prime cliff]

riot shield is ass

[stable igloo]

fire burns gas