easter-eggs

[dull marsh]

• 1 2 3 / A B C : Monty Python sued ABC

• Little interesting thing: Crossed swords symbol ⚔ U+2694 = 9876 in decimal, 9876 + 0123 = 9999 🤔 (probably nothing)

But overall it all looks like this scene itself is at the center, as we've had other clues for it with "Alice in Wonderland" and "Terry Gilliam"

The "crossed sword" part is interesting as it's not the first time it comes up...

[dusk siren]

You'd have to give me the history, context, and correct wording, but IIRC, Rob said something about the whole hunt starting with crossed swords or something to that effect.
In that case, even 9876 in decimal is interesting, if it were interpreted as the start of a countdown.
Who knows what else Rob could be imagining but your idea of adding in that way is pretty cool.
More generally, 9876543210 + 0123456789 = 9999999999 (yeah, prob nothing, but interesting)

Also, something appealling about starting with "crossed swords" ⚔ and counting down to an objective (the "cross mark" ❌) , where the "X" could start the cycle again

[dull marsh]

But so far I can't see the connection between that Black knight scene and "1 2 3" 🤔

In terms of words he says "none shall pass", perhaps it's those 3 words?

[dusk siren]

I refuse to look at the AI blurbs, so I haven't yet located the source of the quote

Would be awfully great if it were from the Holy Grail

Still nothing definitive, but if you believe the poster, this is more to go on:

"And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths, and carp and anchovies, and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit-bats and large chu.."

"Skip a bit, Brother..."

"And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."

"What, the curtains???"

[dull marsh]

Hmm yeah counting to three, 1, 2, 3 🤔

And if I remember correctly this is also related to the killer rabbit

[surreal sinew]

do we gotta cross 2 swords in game?

[dusk siren]

Yeah... it seems that you remember correctly. You are indeed good at that. 🙂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM9Bynjh2Lk

A bit anti-climactic after these Monty Python ideas, but to finish with Qara Oasis (led to from Gheris Oasis, "hydra Q", and "Kara"):
Qara Oasis wikipedia article is pretty short

• Pop. 363 as of 2006
• Featured in the 1957 novel Ice Cold in Alex by Christopher Landon and a 1958 film adaptation of the same name
• "Alex" in this instance refers to Alexandria, Egypt

[dusk siren]

For sake of completeness, the Cross Mark symbol ❌ is U+274C = 10060 in decimal.
Perhaps most notable for having 3 0's?

[surreal sinew]

guys time to hunt https://youtube.com/shorts/p__Z1sfjzqk?si=vGYNlgLGT2o7RXDW

actually prolly ltm teaser

or smth

[dull marsh]

There is a 3-headed knight in this movie? 😭

[dull marsh]

might just a be a reference to Love Death Robot

[dull marsh]

And this is scene 10 of the movie 🙂

[surreal sinew]

what is that

[dull marsh]

google my friend 😄

[gloomy anvil]

Speaking of the Black Knight scene, "lost legacy" > "lost leg" > the knight loses both.

I think it was rcade that mentioned something similar after Rob commented "hilarious name" in regards to the lost legacy map.

or RHB

[dull marsh]

Loses both arms and legs hehe

They're just a stump at the end

[dusk siren]

Yeah, I don't know if there is a long "stump" history on here, but a few thoughts/questions:

• Someone recently said they still suspected that the big EE on Kyoto (perhaps even a golden nama tama) would be in a stump given all the "Disk 22" stumps (i.e., "easter egg not found" stumps?)
• The stone that can be sledgehammered to reveal the golden nama tama in the cathedral ruins on monaco kind of like a stump
• Now you point out that "Lost Legacy" maps could be "lost leg" clues, pointing at stumps.
• So far we've had exactly two "Lost Legacy" maps, which could correspond to exactly two legs?
• The Masterplan Map for Las Vegas winds its way through a casino past banks and banks of slot machines, which have arms (I also got fixated on the golden flamingos on Las Vegas, and they have two conspicuous legs, but appear as if they don't have arms, but that's my issue I have to work through 🙁 )
  Anyway, it's very provocative, your idea about stumps.

I've been more focused on Kalydon the island off of Crete and not the Boar Hunt, but lately I've noticed a few potential "hunter" connections, to the point of it possibly being a bona fide central motif or theme (would be extremely apt for an EE hunt).
Someone recently said they had gone back to the "Hamlet = Ophelia = Five Truths" clue, so I started playing around the names of the people responsible for the 5 famous theatrical philosophies that inspired the scenes in the National Theatre’s Five Truths production: Constantin Stanislavski; Jerzy Grotowski; Peter Brook; Bertolt Brecht; and Antonin Artaud.
Bertolt provided a few leads, but one that stood out was Berchtold and his female equivalent Perchta who are identified as leaders of the "Wild Hunt" in the Germanic tradition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Hunt

[dull marsh]

Yeah I know most people looked at Kalydon little island, but i think the historic place which is related to the Calydonian hunt is much more interesting overall

[dusk siren]

It's motivated reasoning, and dangerous, but if I deliberately try to cross-reference the names from the "Five Truths" clue to "hunts" or "hunters," obviously things turn up.
Risks cluttering the feed but the Arch of Constantine (via Konstantin Stanislavski) feels just promising enough that I'll post this image featuring "the aftermath of a lion hunt." It has letters and Roman numerals above it, which is maybe why I can't resist.

[dusk siren]

Best (only?) thing I've come up with regarding the little island is the sunken city of Olous (or Olus).
The little island, along with Elounda and Crete, does seem to go along with the Aegean clue a bit better, imho.
I sort of half hope, half dread that Kalydon is a Rob clue which points, along with other clues, in two different directions.

[dusk siren]

Wait a second... Is it interesting that a slot machine has exactly 1 arm??
In the Eastwood, there are banks of slot machines, especically "Vintage Velvet" slot machines. Those include a number of black Vintage Velvet slot machines.
Is it worth exploring which banks of slot machines have an odd number of arms (i.e., assuming each machine has one arm, banks with an odd number of slot machines)??
I even wonder if there is a machine that happens to have no arms.

At one point, I thought the black Vintage Velvet slot machines were another Elvis clue (maybe an RHB clue, too xDDD).

Elvis has a couple of "arms" song titles (and I haven't even looked into song lyrics or his filmography)

"Loving Arms"... "Crazy Arms"...

Just another curiosity... Elvis's film Flaming Star (1960)
Rendered as FLAMING*, you could get FLAMINGO

"Loving Arms" lyric:
"I can almost feel your lovin' arms again" ----> theme of lost arms.

Elvis recorded "Crazy Arms" as a member of the Million Dollar Quartet, along with Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins, and Johnny Cash.

Louis Armstrong recorded a version of "Crazy Arms" on his album Country & Western. Clint Eastwood known for his Westerns.

I think that's enough Las Vegas + arms associations for now

Okay, one final, but pretty wild coincidence, if I do say so myself:
MASTERPLAN (from the name of the in-game cosmetics map of the Eastwood Hotel) is an anagram of ARM + PLANETS (or ARMS + PLANET)

"MARKUP" a bit like a cryptic crossword clue to anagram the other word?

In Roman mythology, Mars was the god of war ---> god of arms??
ARMS is an anagram for MARS.
Among the planets, Mars is the "Arms Planet"??

[dusk siren]

* really sorry if these are old ideas

[dull marsh]

Hmm, yeah I don't know about these tbh

I think we need to try to keep it simple, in every level the answer was somewhat in front of us and we just need to make it click

[dusk siren]

I thought you might like the arms idea at least xDDDD

[dull marsh]

Of course there will be some crazy connections which are correct, but based on Rob's silence for so long, we probably have EVERYTHING and more lmao

[dusk siren]

Here's a simple one that I think a lot more could be made of.
Rob seemed annoyed that we couldn't see 4 letters on the Las Vegas map.
What about this: GLAMO__RA__ <-----> __AR__GON

• Ra the Egyptian sun god
• Zaraby is Egyptian
• Confirmation that the casinos and their colors are about the 3 dawns (the rising Sun)
• The sun rises in the __East__wood

The problem is seeing too many possible connections at once, and no Rob feedback to keep this grounded

[dull marsh]

Zaraby and Eastwood part make sense, Argon being connected to Ra I could see (Argon symbol is Ar) but it's a bit of a stretch, the Glamora part nah

[dusk siren]

They are the same two letters reflected...
I guess I don't understand what represents a helpful direction.
This is mainly about the 4 letters clue that Rob seemed to think should be easy to notice.
Can't get much simpler than two letters reflected across the street from each other.
But I'll take the hint, for now.

[surreal sinew]

glamora reminds me of the gamora in fallout new vegas

but new vegas prolly ripped it from irl maybe idk or rob took it from that im just throwing thoughts out there

[dusk siren]

I will say, one thing it took me a long time to appreciate despite many people on here trying to explain it to me, is that helpful clues tend to be ones that together all point to one single idea.
The reason I got a bit excited about Ra (Sun god) for the Las Vegas map is that Las Vegas already had lots of other Sun clues, it seemed to me:

• Trying to make the "3 dawns" connection that Rob himself was pushing us on and suggested we were so close on
• Elvis, the King of Rock and Roll, and Sun records
• The fact that there was such a person as the Sun King in history
• The rising Sun that is embossed on the balcony in the theater facing the stage
  Maybe not enough to go on... I know passwords in the past had many more things pointing to them.
  Also, the Las Vegas map surely has competiting candidates if you wanted to pick one big idea to associate with it.
  But just positing that Las Vegas map = Sun could be a candidate for such a big idea.
  That is all. 🙂

[fading vigil]

A small drip: lewis machine gun has casino skin

Also that skin was mentioned by Rob, that it has some interaction with…?

[dull marsh]

I mean, I could see something like that but here it's missing that "ah yes, of course" feeling to it imo 🤔

[dusk siren]

As you so rightly point out, throw enough random associations at the wall, and like spaghetti, some stick

[dull marsh]

But it do be great to have a new look at all those old things, we probably missed so many hints 😭

[dusk siren]

I could try to add a few more:

• Las Vegas ---> The Vegas ---> The stars (both Vega and the Sun being stars, obviously).
• Glamora, Argon, and the Lapis Grandstand signs featuring conspicuous stars
• I previously floated ideas about the "3 dawns" possibly leading to the 4-letter word ATOM and the parallel between the early electron model and a solar system
• There is a large, raised circle in the center of the map, like you would imagine the Sun at the center of the solar system
• The partial sphere from the Argon casino sign can be positioned on top of the center circle like a Sun.
• Glam rock/Bowie/Starman reference in the battle pass ---> GLAMORA ---> GLAM O RA ---> GLAM ROCK STAR/GOD
• GLAM GREASE body paint, "For contestants who like rock 'n' roll and play with a lot of soul." ---> SOUL ---> SOL ---> Sun
• GLAMORA + ARGON ---> RA + ARGON ---> SOLAR MAN of the ATOM (Gold Key comics character)
  But again, I cannot refute your logic. It is irrefutable. 🙂

Sorry, I was asking about these circles.
That I'm guessing they've long since been figured out or rejected.

Just seemed like they seemed that their orientation and number could be a bit like satellites around the large circle in the center of the map.

I didn't get pictures of all of them, there were several more down a few of the streets.

[hard current]

My guess was always that we need one person in each circle to be emoting at the same time

Like street performers on real Vegas streets

[dusk siren]

Ahhhh... that's really good!

[hard current]

This!

But… iirc there’s like 11 circles and no way are we gathering enough people for that

[dusk siren]

Just noticed that the gaps in the circles at 90 degree intervals are the kind that would be formed by a "❌" symbol

[hard current]

Maybe back in the days when we had a ton of people ee hunting but realistically I think we’re down to like 10 people consistently

[dusk siren]

Yeah, I counted 11... my overly optimistic thought was just that the number could coincide with the planets and a few significant moons, but had no idea that they had an IRL correspondence! Glad I asked, at least.

[hard current]

Yep!

[dull marsh]

Iirc there are 10 of those circles, made a ton of theories until someone pointed out they actually exist IRL and I died a little 😂

Might be 11 tho, was a long time ago

[dusk siren]

No, coulda been 10... I didn't make a huge effort to count knowing I had to consult with you guys anyway 🙂

[dull marsh]

Ok imma go eep now, hope the 9 passwords are solved when I wake up!! 🙏

[dusk siren]

lolllllllllllll

sleep well, though

[fading vigil]

Doable, if RHB will help us:)
Also, until 13+players needed - it is doable:)

[dusk siren]

Not sure I've figured out the "Lewis" or "Lewis gun" connection, but I looked at the skin again and the description was kinda cool (it doesn't seem helpful, unfortunately, but cool, anyway, imo).

• Name: Mini Roulette
• The shape is a little circle or "O"??
• Description: "It's time to introduce your opponents to some cold numbers."
• Water freezes at 0 degrees celsius; roulette wheels feature green "0" and "00" numbers (together "000")
• An amusing irony in that 'roulette' already means 'little wheel', now miniaturized even further

Was looking at this old charm from the Las Vegas battle pass.
Suddenly it made me think of your idea! What about...

The "Wheel of Fortune" (Stadium)

Was this already what you were thinking when you had this idea??? Cuz it kinda fits

One frustrating thing is potentially finding old hints that no longer add any information since other hints have already led to what they were pointing to.
Possible example from the S1 battle pass ---> 3 dawns + 9 planets

No way I'm gonna figure out how you guys got to "3 dawns," but I don't recall it having anything to do with this spray (not that this spray definitively points to "3 dawns," but the larger point stands about old hints and clues being superseded)

[dusk siren]

Holtow Sun Insurance was only revealed in S3, IIRC, but this image of this headwear from the Holtow level of the Las Vegas battle pass already had most of the ingredients for a Sun connection (a star, sunglasses, white hot fire in the background). HOLTOW -> HOT LOW -> Sun dead?? I know. Probably just lore if it's anything.

[turbid tinsel]

so rob saying every level can be solved from the first image, is that referencing the first official image released, or the first image for each level?

always pondered that

[dusk siren]

Me, too. I guess I was waiting for someone actually intelligent to ask. Thx

[turbid tinsel]

im not that intelligent, i got rob to eye something one time and dont think it actually lead to anything relevant

[dusk siren]

so we're basically the same... lol

[turbid tinsel]

mine was ETA Cassiopeia. lol

[dusk siren]

If everything relevant leads to the next relevant thing, ETA Cassiopeia just hasn't had its moment yet. 🙂

[dusk siren]

fwiw... "raar" is Dutch for "strange, odd, weird, unusual"... 'Ra' is the 10th letter of the Arabic alphabet (U+0631)... more of that kinda thing... same for "arra"... Space: 1999 reference...

[lyric vale]

hellooooo fellow easter egg hunters! :D

so after solving the Nozomi mysteries, has there been anything new popped up?

[dusk siren]

In addition to radium being notoriously radioactive, here's an interesting connection between 88 Ra (radium) and 18 Ar (Argon):
"Radium has been used in electron tubes (i.e., vacuum tubes) ... to ionize the fill gas, typically a noble gas like neon or argon. This ionization ensures reliable and consistent operation by providing a steady current when a high voltage is applied, enhancing the device's performance and stability."

Vacuum tubes "became a key component of electronic circuits for the first half of the twentieth century... crucial to the development of radio, television, radar, sound recording, sound reproduction, long-distance telephone networks, and analog and early digital computers."

Western Electric was known for manufacturing such** Radium-Argon vacuum tubes**.
Coincidentally, the Glamo__ra__ and __Ar__gon side of the Las Vegas map is opposite that of the Zaraby and Eastwood side, such that there is nominally a "west" vs "east" dichotomy.
Western Electric was a subsidiary of AT&T, which was the telephony company that led the Bell System, was a system of Bell telecommunication companies.

Honestly, I feel better about all the things pointing to the Sun on the map than this one thing that might point to a "Bell", but perhaps some more bell connections turn up at some point.

Apparently, vacuum tubes are still sought after for their hi-fi mystique in audio equipment, and have even experienced a renaissance since the 1990s. People talk about "tube sound". Many musicians, especially electric guitar, electric bass, and keyboard players are said to prefer the sound of tube instrument amplifiers or preamplifiers.
This would fit with the music theme throughout the Las Vegas map and battle pass. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tube_sound

[dusk siren]

Slot machines are nicknamed "One-Armed Bandits"
Terry Gilliam also did Time Bandits (1981)
There is also the 'multi-armed bandit problem' in probability and machine learning that would be perfect for describing how to find a slot machine-related EE (but not without a lot more clues, I wager)
Applications of the multi-armed bandit problem include adaptive routing (AR), which attempts to minimize delays in a network,

[dusk siren]

Wow... that's really good. IMHO, I'm glad you promoted it from "The Rabbit Hole" thread

I still think the idea that at least one of the Level 3 passwords would be "the geocache one" has a reasonable probability.
Something about Perrott-Perot-Garriott felt a little too good.

The black bucket as the black knight helmet is much better than the non-bucket-shaped one I found Garriott wearing
I think I posted the shape of the can of beans in reference to the helmet, but again, your idea of the black bucket is even better

[unkempt dune]

The numerical values from the coordinates from the first geocache do seem to somewhat match up with the L3 one:

Level 3 I Want To Coordinates:
N XX° XX 0002 XX W XXX° XX 0002 XXX
First Geocache Coordinates:
N 45° 17.460 W 122° 24.800

[dusk siren]

What do you mean... it looks perfect!

U+0002 is 'START OF TEXT' in unicode

Might sugges that the "46" and "800" parts of the coordinates can be interpreted as "text" somehow

Also makes me think that the "home sweet home" carved wood AKM skin with the "W" and "N" hidden in the carved mountains has a very reasonable chance of pointing to that geocache all along.

The little house carved in the skin is south of tall mountain peaks, much like the location of the first geocache in Beavercreek, OR which seems to be located in the foothills of the Cascade Mountains in the Pacific Northwest of the United States.

"0046" in unicode is "F"...

[vagrant mauve]

This geocache idea definitely has a lot of merit

The idea of 1, 2, 3... Comes to mind. I mean 1 could have been a clue for "the first" this whole time. Also lots of clues pointing towards "the first" like the first numbers, letters, word, etc. It's not a leap in logic to look at "the first" of something

Also "vault hunter" "x mark the spot" etc, all of these ideas do kind of call to geocaching

[dusk siren]

"0800" in unicode...

U+0046 + U+0800 = "F" + "Alaf" = "F" + "ox" = Fox

I think it has a very decent chance of pointing to Fox (or of Fox pointing to "F" and "Alaf"; see also "Aleph")

• The theme of the skin is "searching for the vault"
• I was wondering if what I initially assumed was a carved "heart" was actually a carved "Fox"

[halcyon moth]

have you found the easter egg on https://www.reachthefinals.com/major25

[dusk siren]

If the idea is having a few clues to point to "Aleph" rather than a few clues to point to "Fox", it is interesting that "Aleph" would lead to "A", since we're still trying to find "A B C" connections, as far as I know. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleph

[dusk siren]

I'm convinced... other people?

Atsuhiro's idea suggests that we might convert our 5 pairs of coordinates from the landing page into degrees + decimal minutes, and use the decimal part of the minutes as unicode symbols for text.

If the "XX" in the first hidden N coordinate in the black knight nama tama image is specific to the original geocache coordinates, you might instead get U+210 = Ȑ to go with the ʐ , but it certainly seems better to take the clue literarlly and not add arbitrary qualifiers.

There would also be the question of rounding. For instance 0.2178 -> 0.22 to the nearest hundredth, which would imply U+0022 = "** " " rather than U+0021 = " ! **"

The ʐ is apparently the "LATIN SMALL LETTER Z WITH RETROFLEX HOOK", which is a "voiced retroflex sibilant", and seems to be pronounced "zha". https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ʐ

Lol... feeling less promising as far as generalizing goes. Maybe someone needs to check my work.

I guess the "Syriac Sublinear Colon" has some potential with respect to dot-dash codes like Morse code.

I'm going to try rounding since the precision I was using was arbitrary (?)

Will delete the old posts if they turn out incorrect, but for now probably good to highlight the potential ambiguity.

[dusk siren]

🤷

Note that if all of the coordinates are meant to be N and W coordinates, it seems like we'd have to negate the second coordinate if we want to see if correlating these unicode symbols to the corresponding mapped location means anything.

15.70363, -23.22150 -> Cape Verde
81.75163, -37.16174 -> Cape Morris Jessup, Peary Land, Greenland (“from Victoria Fjord in the west to Independence Fjord in the east“)
46.69812, -55.09871 -> Newfoundland (Vinland?)
27.86234, -12.98314 -> Canary Islands
72.58514, -64.02630 -> Baffin Bay, Davis Strait

[dusk siren]

Arbitrary example:

• 81.75163, -37.16174 -> Northern Greenland; DLE; " ܄ "
• DLE = Data Link Escape ("Cause a limited number of contiguously following characters to be interpreted in some different way.")
• Interpret the symbol " ܄ " in some different way???
• In Morse Code, two dots = "i" or capital "I"
• In prehistoric times, Greenland was home to several successive Palaeo-Inuit cultures, including the Independence I (II?) and Independence II (III?) cultures.
  .... Starting to think we need some consensus on this direction, though, before going further 🙁

[dull marsh]

It's reward 48 = 0 (ASCII)

[dull marsh]

Here it's the Black Knight nama image, as we're not done with the Black Knight, it was clearly not just an image for the activation phase

[gloomy anvil]

I forgot to mention this yesterday but Kepler-88 is 1,230 light-years away and has a right ascension (ra) of 19h 24m. Some hunt numbers and themes there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kepler-88

[gloomy anvil]

I actually listen to the soundtrack occasionally and never noticed that lol

Achievement is what will play in my head once I get a password

[fossil ibex]

what r yall trynna find for easter eggs

[dull marsh]

glory, fun, despair

[gloomy anvil]

Thinking about relevant groups of three

• Kepler's three laws of planetary motion: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?Title=Kepler's_laws_of_planetary_motion
• Godfrey ("God") Swinscow's **three **rules of letterboxing: https://www.atlasquest.com/about/history/
• You could say Dave Ulmer created three rules of geocaching: Take something, Leave something, Sign the logbook. He explicitly called the first two "rules" and added the third later. http://www.guysnamedkim.com/geocache/geocache_history.html

Dave Ulmer, May 6, 2000, shortly after placing the first "stash" (later called geocaches), suggests a new acronym for them.

On second thought,, maybe we should call them STS for Satellite Triangulated Stash.. hmmm

Go STS !

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.geo.satellite-nav/c/u5DGrwWea60

[gloomy anvil]

I imagine we either need to perform an operation to the level 3 page coordinates, hex, a matrix, caesar cipher, anything. Experiment until we get coordinates that line up with something relevant. Or we need to do some triangulation / trilateration, which I'm personally hopeless at.

[surreal sinew]

(wheel of fortune is a based show XD)

[surreal sinew]

what was eyed

oh i shoulda read more lol sorry for your ping

[hard current]

This is actually a really good connection..

[gloomy anvil]

Noting the use of "Go" as well. #1211002564015824906 message #easter-eggs message

[hard current]

I like this idea too

go -> ge oh -> geo

Maybe that’s why Rob said “you have seen this x for a long time”

Pointing back to level one geocache/devoncrossing

[gloomy anvil]

[dusk siren]

• Black Knight Nama Tama also has no arms or legs (probably already noted and connected to Monty Python). The point here is to notice "an egg with stumps".
• The location of the 'hear no evil' headset gold nama tama was in the cracked base of the front left tower of the Monaco Cathedral, which is like the stump of the tower and also arguably egg-shaped both within and without.
  * Hypothesis: "Duck and Cover" could mean both hiding from whatever destroyed the cathedral, also the idea that a duck that covers its egg will hatch eventually hatch it. The idea that the headset gold nama tama represents 'hear no evil' would be apt for one found in a cathedral.
• The central circle on the Las Vegas map is like a stump and the nearby Argon sign contains a hollow "egg" that can be positioned onto the stump and cracked.
  * Hypothesis: Remotely detonate a C4 placed on the "stump" within the "egg" from the location in the vault in the Eastwood as indicated with an X on the Masterplan Markup map. If this is for the 'see no evil' sunglasses gold nama tama, you will not see the detonation from inside the vault, much like people wore protective goggles when viewing early nuclear tests in Nevada.
• The Lost Legacy map that might correspond to Kyoto appears to locate the large vault at the base of the tall yellow cliff beneath the bell tower. The cliff is like a stump, especially if the tower above it is destroyed, and the bell itself is hollow and egg-shaped and can be cracked.
  * Hypothesis: If this is for the 'speak no evil' chinstrap gold nama tama, then something involving cracking the bell, such that it cannot ring, would be apt.
  I could elaborate even further on these, but I'll spare you guys.

[dusk siren]

I'm really surprised people weren't more impressed with @unkempt dune 's observation here: #easter-eggs message

It makes me despair for this whole endeavor unless we can get Rob to visit at least once.

I see lots of good even potentially great ideas, and nothing to coordinate our focus on what is actually correct or even just promising.

Honestly, I don't even know how to organize large sets of ideas, and that culminates in a Catch-22:

• If we only give one or two connections at a time, they are not compelling by themselves, and they end up ignored.
• If we try to give many more connections at a time, it looks like an insane person down a rabbit hole, and they end up ignored.

If anyone can figure out how to solve this, I'd love to know

For instance, I have probably a dozen or more Las Vegas + Atoms connections that feel very solid to me, but I'm not going to try people's patience by posting them unless there isn't at least a modicum of hope of it getting us somewhere.

[gloomy anvil]

It is a good observation, it's what I was talking about the other day - early geocaches in North America were placed around the coordinate structure N XX° XX. W XXX° XX. #easter-eggs message #easter-eggs message

[dusk siren]

Okay... but shouldn't there be a next step??
I know I seem waaaaay too ambitious with my ideas, but I wonder if some of us aren't ambitious enough.
Ludonope makes a string of amazing connections to "bells" or "stumps," but then just seems to stop, rather than at least one person trying to push that further.
You made that connection about the geocache coordinates and the clue on the landing page, which I didn't even fully comprehend at the time, but wouldn't it be logical to explore the significance of the 0002 part of the same clue and the fact that it represents the "START OF TEXT" character in Unicode or the fact that the one geocache we know is relevant in the hunt so far via the Original Can of Beans can be mapped to that format?
Sorry to rant. Honestly, I should give you guys a break from me for awhile (like last time). Maybe if I show up when the ball is already rolling, I might be able to make a useful contribution.

[fading vigil]

What if 123/abc/iwewho is all about three rules of robotics?
Iwewho tells us about robot obtain a “soul”?

[unborn pilot]

@dull marsh why do I feel like some of our unsolved puzzles maybe use this instead of normal A1Z

R is 1, RR is 10, goes up to QZ and 334

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable-star_designation

interesting that 123 could be RST, or RSR as 121 using “stars”

[eternal violet]

That's usually how these things are supposed to go. Creators of ARGs don't usually mark what's correct or try to coordinate people. They may provide additional clues (like official art) to try to steer people in certain directions, but it seems it has the opposite effect here, the space of potential answers get bigger instead of smaller.

[gloomy anvil]

I don't know what the next step there is, or if there is one. If the coordinates from I_Want_to do point at the first geocache, then that's another reason to focus on geocaching and level 1 when formulating ideas on how to solve this level. If they line up perfectly with a particularly relevant-looking geocache, then we could look at that one specifically.

If we only give one or two connections at a time, they are not compelling by themselves, and they end up ignored.
I don't think this is the case, or well I don't ignore them at least. Any connection that I think is relevant I naturally factor into my own theories and password attempts.

What we need, as Rob has suggested himself, is one place to collect all of our clues and ground ourselves in repeat connections, so as not to fall down as many rabbit holes. We already have this with Miro, but it's not completely up-to-date.

[dusk siren]

Thanks, yeah, no arguments from me on any of that.

I was just struck how the numbers of digits and directions could correspond so perfectly with that one specific set of geocache coordinates, not just geocaching, in general.

At least as far as using that specific set of geocache coordinates to obtain another clue.

I hate to repeat myself when I assume everyone already saw it, but you would get "0002 46" and "0002 800" if you map the coordinates to the format from the image.

0002 is Unicode. 46 can be Unicode. 800 can be Unicode. You get an "F" from 46. You get the symbol for an "ox" from 800. Together you get "Fox"

The wooden AKM skin that features the "home sweet home" beneath mountains with N and W carved, a "searching for a hidden cache" theme, and also a carved "Fox".

Like, if this isn't something, then I'll never recognize when something is something.

But perhaps it's enough that it's duly noted. I get that. Especialy if no one knows where to go from there, even assuming it's "correct"

[gloomy anvil]

It is good to note, it's something I'll now consider any time I think about those clues and similar connections. I only proclaim complete confidence in very few theories, but I still recognize the connections being made.

[dusk siren]

Appreciate it, dude

I guess, without Rob to give more hints, I don't know if we can be quite as conservative with our theories as people were able to be in previous levels and tiers.
How do we build confidence? Gonna be tough, especially when each person has their pet theories that they at least ascribe relatively higher confidence to.
Oh, well. Nothing everyone here isn't intensely aware of, I'm sure.
That's just my subjective impression, as well.

Just to add one final "Fox" thought... the issue is that there are already other "foxes" in the game that could be relevant for clues, but if people never follow up other people's ideas, a single person is not likely to catch them all (the kitsune for Kyoto, the Volpe boxing theme for Las Vegas, and those are apart from connections like constellations, code words, etc.).
As far as I can see, @dull marsh recently dropped banger threads about "bells" and "stumps", and I'm not sure people have given those two ideas much thought since then. To be fair, maybe people have and just didn't see any connections worth posting, but if someone like Ludonope is just left with his "bells" and his "stumps" and it turns out they are something important, can he really figure out all of the next connections entrely on his own? (Sorry, I should never doubt him, but I know I couldn't do it).
More to the point, if Ludonope were to continue adding good "bells" and "stumps" connections, is there even a threshold where the rest of us would finally take notice if we haven't taken notice thus far?

[dusk siren]

I just learned that Rob apparently made an explicit crystal detectors clue during a Twitch stream once. #1292576119849095210 message

[hasty anvil]

https://www.labxchange.org/library/items/lb:LabXchange:f61a35fb:html:1#:~:text='Explore as One' Plate,and dashes in Morse code.

There's a bunch of codes on the Perseverance Mars rover

https://www.geocaching.com/track/details.aspx?tb=TB5EFXK

And there's also a geocache on the rover that people can log

[gloomy anvil]

State Route **375 **(SR 375) in Nevada, by Las Vegas, is also known as the "Extraterrestrial Highway" due to its proximity to Area 51 and reported UFO sightings.

There is a famous geocaching trail along the highway consisting of over 1,000 caches, starting with "0001-E.T."

Connections to Las Vegas, aliens, geocaching, and 3,5,7. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_State_Route_375

375 = ETs = Extraterrestrials. (this one would be a coincidence outside Rob's control)

[dusk siren]

Was this ever suggested previously 👆

[dusk siren]

But maybe not a meaningless coincidence. Not really helpful, but going through the Las Vegas battle pass, one description, not even in the alien level, IIRC, maybe HOLTOW, was something about a skin for once being purely "cosmetic". I did note the ET in the word COSMIC. Cute, anyway.

More to the point, I really like this geocache find of yours.
"0001-E.T."
That's really promising, imho

[dusk siren]

Yeah, I think that could really be something... I noticed Dusty gave a Sherlock Holmes clue way back in Level 1 (?) trying to point to the "devoncrossing" clue which ultimately pointed to Letterboxing (the precursor of geocaching)

By the way, guys...
ABC 123
Since I've been playing around with the "Ra - Ar" idea, I thought more about the 18s and 1s that have shown up consistently
I wonder if every password is some combination of just characters from the set {A,B,C,1,2,3}

Take Ra-Ar... 181118... ABAAAB

Now we have @hasty anvil highlighting 221BB...
221BB... BBABB

[dusk siren]

I'm also pretty persuaded of a "hunter" theme in the hunt (in significant part because it would be so apt).
Sherlock famously wore a "deerstalker" cap. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deerstalker

"Boar Hunter"... "Deer Hunter"... I still think there might be a "Bounty Hunter" (man hunter?)... They could pile up

Heaven's Gate (1980) director Michael Cimino also directed Dear Hunter (1978)
We had the Heaven's Gate LTM

[dull marsh]

We have the whole WR thing which is connected to the Killer Rabbit in Monty Python holy grail

SLIES could be a connection to Arthur that keeps counting badly 5 instead of 3 through the movie (5 LIES?)

They kill the rabbit with the Holy Hand-Grenade of Antioch

This grenade is a parody of the Sovereign Orb which is one of the British crown jewels

What if this is our Golden Egg? 🤔

Full of diamonds

Could relate to George V coronation in 1911

To William the Conqueror and King Arthur (both Kings of the Brittons)

The sceptre, derived from the Shepherd Staff (John the Baptist connection?) has the largest clear cut diamond in the world (the Star of Africa)

Edward the Confessor (r. 1042–1066) is depicted on a throne and wearing a crown while holding a sceptre in the first scene of the Bayeux Tapestry.[20] Edward died without an heir, and William the Conqueror emerged as the first Norman king of England following his victory over the English at the Battle of Hastings. Wearing a crown became an important part of William I's efforts to assert authority over his new territory and subjects

[dusk siren]

Yes! At least one of them!

Can't remember, you or maybe @gloomy anvil reminded us of some of the things Rob said back in the day.
One of them was "Who are the kings, who are the queens?"
As if specific ones were to be identified in the course of the hunt

[dusk siren]

One of the best "5 Lies" ideas I've seen, and just now for the first time, the parallel to "5 Truths"

Anyway, I like all those clues that you highlighted in your thread

[dull marsh]

What the fuck are we missing?!?!! 😂😭😭

[dusk siren]

My honest opinion: Level 3 is huge... the a priori probability that we get to the end of the line of clues you are following up on here is 1/9 (?).
Maybe more likely we get further in a different direction and that points to what is missing in this direction.
Not nice to consider, though.
You think this is what Rob meant by all the "missing" clues??? ☠️

Not at all to discourage you or anyone from trying to get to the end in this direction.
You're doing great!!! (Trying to pump you up here) 🙂

[dull marsh]

Hum

ORB = ROB? 🤔🤔

[dusk siren]

For an AiW connection (technically Through the Looking Glass), is there a "White King" and/or "Red King" in this line of kings?
Probably not the most promising direction but could be nice to know either way.

[dusk siren]

BOAR = BOR = ROB? 🤔 🤔

[dull marsh]

The whole Elvis being The King would also make sense in that context

[dusk siren]

Half joking about the boar thing, but only half

[dull marsh]

Yes 😂😂

[dusk siren]

Just for the sake of argument, since you pointed out the ORB = ROB thing...
If we could expand to {A,B,C,O,0,1,2,3}, but ORB and BOAR could be encoded that way if we were really motivated to
ORB = O18B = O1BB = OABB
BOAR = BOA18 = BOAAB

I'm also struck by the fact that A, B, and O make up blood types

[dull marsh]

Yeah I've always found that idea compelling

[dusk siren]

nothing new under the sun 🙂

[dull marsh]

The sun is at the center of it all after all

[dusk siren]

lol

[dull marsh]

In Monkey Island, we see White Rabbits plushies on skull island, and it's in the cave of King André

Power is power is power... What is a crown??

[dusk siren]

WR = 2318 = BCAB
I start to worry any clue might work for this, implying zero informational value...

01:23 = AIW = A123 = AABC (= OAIW = OA123 = OAABC)

Okay, I'll stop now

[dull marsh]

About St Edward crown

Owing to its weight, after 1689 the crown was not used to crown any monarch for over 200 years. The tradition was revived by George V in 1911 and has continued ever since.

[odd sequoia]

#1217498821563514951 message

[dusk siren]

"Eggs on Stumps"???
"Eggs with Stumps"???

Compare roses???
Compare the pin from the holy hand grenade???

[dull marsh]

St Edward crown has a velvet cap, velvet is usually made out of silk 🫠

The gold orb looks like a golden egg with a cross on top and diamond ring around it

Three crowns is a national emblem of Sweden

The Pharaohs of Egypt also wore the diadem, which was associated with solar cults

[dusk siren]

I did not know velvet is made of silk!

Because we have the Vintage Velvet slot machines in the Eastwood

More silk clues than initially realized, perhaps

[gloomy anvil]

The meaning of the coordinates

[dull marsh]

• Crown, the top or hinge of a bell
• Crown (arch), the top portion of an arch (4RCU5?)

Sun's corona 🤔

[dull marsh]

Not necessarily, just usually, couldn't find what the crown one is made of, but silk would make sense tbh

[gloomy anvil]

If we knew how to interpret the coordinates I feel like the entire rest of the level would fall into place.

---

I noted yesterday that the number of digits in each set of coordinates (14) matches the number of Xs in the I_Want_to.png coordinates (14), so you can actually slot them into place.

Tried doing so but got invalid coordinates to start with. (something like W 460°), but maybe they need rearranging. It could explain the high precision.

[dusk siren]

The geocache coordinates that Atsuhiro found for the original geocache was given in the format degrees + minutes (decimal)
My opinion is that you have to convert the given coordinate to that format and take the decimal part of the minutes to the precision given in that format (2 places in the N coordinate and 3 places in the W coordinate)
This is just my opinion, but when it led to "Fox" for the coordinates of the original geocache, I took that as dramatically increasing my posteriori probability that this was the correct approach.

This is how I tried converting the given pairs of coordinates from the landing page.
You can ignore my conclusions, but at least you can see how I converted each pair of coordinates to a format that would match that of both the original geocache coordinates and the format from the I_Want_to.png

[dusk siren]

Honestly, I'll redo it to get the correct precision at the "minutes" line before taking the decimal parts to the given precision...

Same results, though

Also, I ignored the fact that W coordinates would be negated in the straight decimal coordinates, since it seems like we just need the decimal part for the "XX" and "XXX" in the given format (i.e., the "0002 XX" and "0002 XXX" parts)

This is still a hypothesis until other people think it's right, obviously

[hard current]

Did someone post on reddit I’ve seen more activity in here today than in a while!!

[dusk siren]

I think you're right about this explaining the high precision, incidentally.
Here, I rounded to the correct precision at the "decimal minutes" step.
I also added the example of the coordinates of the first geocache in history and how I got to "Fox"... hypothetically

[dusk siren]

From @unkempt dune 👆

Question: Does this skin (a) correspond to the first ever geocache and (b) make reference to a "Fox"?

Hopefully this clears up my thinking somewhat, even if it's ultimately wrong.

[hard current]

I’m pretty sure that skin is a reference to finding a golden nama? So.. maybe somewhat connected

Lost legacy finders

[dusk siren]

If so, I think adding the "Fox" idea to all the other ideas that people have had might contribute something.
Maybe worth a shot?

I was thinking that if it's a gold nama tama on Kyoto, maybe something about the Kitsune myth could help point the way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsune

Given the Disk 22 stumps, this kind of stood out having to do with trees (circling them 3 times)

Then the idea that one of the EEs might have to do with the flamethrower or fire

[hard current]

Mmm, maybe but if you look at the rest of that bundle you get a sega genesis coin encased in some rock

[dusk siren]

Maybe there's a metaphor in there... the trees not being literal... the rock being a stump.
I guess I do find it underwhelming to think that at least two of the nama tamas would both be found in stones/rocks.
No reason they can't both be, and maybe the distinction is between stones and rocks.
Also, maybe there are also stones and/or rocks on Las Vegas somewhere...
Oh... there's "Rock" as in "Rock and Roll"...
Not crazy what you're putting down @hard current

Best stone or rock reference in the Kitsune article is this reference to the "murder stone".... 😐

[gloomy anvil]

As well as a code (GC....), every geocache also has a numerical ID.

The cache with ID 19 is the "Billy Graham" cache I mentioned the other day that matches the coordinate digits. #easter-eggs message
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=19

The cache with ID 88 is called "Pyramid Point"
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=88

The cache with ID 16 is Dave Ulmer's first "divine" cache, placed at the precise coordinates N 45.000 W 123.000.
https://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=16

Code / ID conversion tool: https://www.geocachingtoolbox.com/index.php?page=gcCodeIdConversion

[dusk siren]

There's also the "fox jewel," which I think is not bad for a potentially connection.
Though in this case you'd have to accept that "stone" refers to a jewel and not the literal rock in the bundle.

[dusk siren]

For fun, I'm gonna throw those into the spreadsheet.
If anything unambiguous shows up, I'll post it.
If nothing shows up, that might weigh against the idea.
Thx for suggesting these.

[gloomy anvil]

This particular geocache doesn't seem relevant but I do want to note the GC code / ID pair.

[dusk siren]

The game "fox-fist" provides an instance of a 3.
Some things I find interesting beyond the fact that it gives us a triple of 3 different categories:

• It is a game (we have seen at least one unambiguous clue about a game in Piet Hein's Hex)
• " Fox-fist" would directly form an association with the Volpe boxing level in the Las Vegas battle pass
• It features a "Hunter" category
  * We have seen at least one unambiguous clue about "Hunters" in the Calydonian Boar Hunt)
• It features a "Village Headman" category
  * By analogy, this could provide a category for "Kings" and "Queens", for which we have unambiguous clues and individuals
• It features a "Fox" category
  * The Ancient Greek poet Archilochus famously wrote: "A fox knows many things, but a hedgehog knows one big thing."
  * By analogy, this could provide a category for "Polymaths", for which we have many unambiguous clues and individuals
  Just in case those categories seem to become even more prominent over time.
  It could make for triples (19 letters long?) of three people, one from each category.

[severe creek]

https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC462JC_the-famous-88

theres also "the famous 88" geocache which would also lineup with the sts-88

its located in Balearic Islands, Spain

[gloomy anvil]

oh yeah I wanted to check that but don't have geocaching.com premium

[severe creek]

me neither 🥲

[dusk siren]

There is also the expression "Box the Fox"
The name comes from the old Irish slang "to box the fox", meaning to steal apples
This is for anyone interested in the various unambiguous clues and ambiguous potential clues about apples
I think the association between apples, knowledge, Adam, and the "first man" are all interesting.

[surreal sinew]

crazy that theres a premium version

capitalism att its finest

[dusk siren]

One thing that strikes me about the "Billy Graham" cache is how close it is to the original cache.
Anyway, you can see that the Unicode symbols that get spit out leave lots of room for interpretation (ACK + ظ = BACK? ظ = "be"? ACK + ḏ̣ā = ACTOR?)
In this case, you'd have to buy that:
(a) "Fox" for the original geocache supports generalizing the formula and
(b) that the "Billy Graham" cache is indeed a clue in the hunt (feels like it might be to me, anyway)

[severe creek]

with it needing premium tho, rob wouldnt paywall us, so your thoughts with the GC->ID could be the right line of thought, since we can see that without it

[surreal sinew]

yeah good point it would paywall

[dusk siren]

Regarding Pyramid Point, it appears to have been stolen and been "locked" for the time being?
Don't know if we could find the original coordinates for it.

[gloomy anvil]

Just going by the large variation in Unicode characters on the spreadsheet, I doubt it's a conversion Rob had in mind. Usually if I try converting to ASCII / Unicode and see a bunch of random characters from entirely different languages I just move on.

[hard current]

Lost Legacy Finder

Sega Genesis -> Landstalker

The left side, reminds me of the sticker itself -> mountains -> house at the base -> pines/trees

But what this could mean regarding the hidden Nama.. I’m not sure at the moment

[dusk siren]

The only reason I even considered it was this theory I put together in which letters from other languages seemed to give something interesting.
I don't think anyone took the theory particularly seriously, and I'm not sure I gave them enough reason to.
Furthermore, you have to accept Aleph = "ox" to make "Fox" work and if you don't like the "Fox" idea then another strike against.
Aleph was pretty nice though as the prototype for the letter "A". #easter-eggs message

[gloomy anvil]

It was apparently gone fairly quickly and not found by anyone, haven't found coords

[dusk siren]

It also kind of appeals to me because basically all of them seem interpretable (e.g., using a dot-dash code like Morse, using the letters in an acronym, treating the Latinized name of the symbol as Roman numerals).
Basically, I'm just saying that they don't strike me as wildly unintelligible and uninterpretable.

[dusk siren]

I'll give you this... Just like we've all discovered in the course of this hunt, the potential false positives are infinite, especially once you go looking for them.
Here is "ACK-900", which could in theory connect "Billy Graham" to both CANON and AC (i.e., alternating current).
Not complete nonsense but probably also completely false.

The adapter predates when Rob would have constructed the hunt, as that's always an instant disqualifier

[gloomy anvil]

In a way that might come across as contradictory I will now mention Unicode hieroglyphics.

"The name for a pyramid in Egyptian is mr, written with the symbol 𓉴 (O24 in Gardiner's sign list)."

A23 depicts a King. A23 = 123?

[dusk siren]

Now we're talking!!!! 🙂

I think these exotic Unicode characters would make for great clues in a hunt like this, but they might not be Rob's clues. 🙂

Just don't look up "Alexander Graham Bell" and "alternating current" together... rabbit hole time for sure
Or "Pachelbel's Canon"

[dusk siren]

This feels surprisingly solid given the other clues you mentioned. He's a treasure hunter, at least.
Nigel seeking King Nole's treasure.
"In Gamul Date 312, Nigel, a treasure hunter who is 88 years old"... lol. And not the only amusing coincidences.

"Nigel saves Arthur, the Duke's general, and is given the key to the Greenmaze (bamboo forest?), where the Sunstone (gold nama tama?) can be found, the gem that powers Ryuma's lighthouse (one of the nearby towers?)."

Definitely worth the read in my opinion, especially with Kyoto in mind. Thx for the find. 🙂

[hard current]

Maybe? Feels a little stretchy

I thought maybe there would be a game mechanic that could lead us to WHAT to do for the Nama

Or at least location… our best guess is Kyoto but the mountains don’t match

[dusk siren]

The mountains were the reason I thought the skin could also be for the original geocache, as they didn't match Kyoto but they almost perfectly match the geocache:
The location of the geocache was in the foothills of the Cascade Mountains in the Pacific Northwest in the U.S.
The little house would be the geocache.
But I think a double connection to a Nama Tama on Kyoto makes sense too. Basically been my assumption for awhile, anyway.

Raid... it's a 19... checkmate

[dusk siren]

yeah, at best it could hint at the location of the treasure, but no help with the mechanic it seems to me

[hard current]

Well, we based it on the golden Nama because of the X but also it’s named similar to “Lost Legacy” that we found on Monaco

[dusk siren]

Oh.... yeah, but I finally came to consider the possibility that the AKM skin and the Lost Legacy map weren't as tightly coupled as I first assumed.
They can still be related without the one literally a continuation of the other.
That's my current feeling, anyway

[hard current]

Lost Legacy —> lost legacy finder

Maybe…

[dusk siren]

what is "lost legacy finder" in lower case?

I might not know that connection

[gloomy anvil]

Legacy Finder is the name of the map in the exhibition grade AKM bundle that we think depicts the location of a golden namatama on Kyoto.

[hard current]

It’s the name of the bundle that has the sticker and skin and charm

[dusk siren]

of course... thank you and sorry

I knew there was a particularly compelling reason I had always associated the two, just couldn't remember

[hard current]

No worries:))

I wonder if the darker shapes in the mountain snow could mean anything

[dusk siren]

If the carved "Fox" to the far right on the Legacy Finder skin corresponds to the far right location of the vault on the Lost Legacy map, that could be a plausible reason to look into the Kitsune myth for clues about how to unlock the "vault" that contains the gold nama tama.
That's assuming you think "Fox" is at least as likely as "heart" for that carved shape in the AKM skin.

[hard current]

A litttttle intoxicated rn so not sure my brain is fully functioning

[dusk siren]

Or working better

[hard current]

Well.. my first thought is there has to be a clue for what map it is

Can’t do much until we’re certain what map it lies on imo

[dusk siren]

Didn't these cosmetics come out it Season 3? That with the mountains... I'm not sure what the alternatives are.

[hard current]

Is there a … dog statue on any of the maps

[hard current]

Yes

[dusk siren]

There are the Komainu statues. Komainu are Lion-Dogs.
I'm extremely intrigued. What's your dog statue idea? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komainu

I guess foxes are canidae... it's just that "lion-dogs" look nothing like foxes 🥲 , but it's a small something

[hard current]

Just thinking outside the box with this

The darker shapes

Rob would give us SOMETHING to tell us what map it’s on

The Monaco one seems easy in retrospect, the giant duck pointed to duck and over on Monaco

[dusk siren]

Wow... that's good!!!
Okay, for the sake of argument, I'd argue this could be a fox, with pointy ears just showing up on the other side of the darker lines of the mountain, and a large bushy tail down the other side of the dark line of the mountain.

There are kitsune in the Kyoto battle pass... or at least a Season 3 bundle??

Is that enough of a fox <-> Kyoto association??

Not just a Kitsune... a GOLDEN Kitsune??

Also, I recall thinking about this kitsune mask when I was hung up on the apparent correspondence between the golden nama tamas and "See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil".
The chinstrap on the Samurai Nama Tama was the best clue I could see for "Speak No Evil".
This Golden Kitsune mask has a painted on mouth. The mouth does not open.

Foxes are notorious egg predators https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_predation

There's this fairy tale, "The Two Rats, the Fox, and the Egg", which seems more obscure than it feels like it should be.
The fairy tale that precedes it is "The Monkey and the Cat," if that has any significance, as well.

The author https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_de_La_Fontaine

[severe creek]

legacy finder flavor text speaks on "digging deeper" perhaps nama will be within a fox hole

[dusk siren]

I thought about chicken coops... wondering if it's in one of the cellars... especially the one closest to the cliff... ugh xDDD

Just gonna post the ones that seem connected (sorry in advance)

Connections: wood-carved weapon skin

Piercing arrows = piercing I's = piercing eyes?? Question: do foxes have "piercing eyes"?

Connections: I associated this description with the myth of the Kitsune circling trees 3 times at one point

Connections: Fox Animation Studios produced the movie Titan A.E. (2000); the Robo Crest sticker is "fox"-shaped

Connections: Foxes known to have keen eyesight

Maybe better stuff in the bundles that were released during Season 3

[hard current]

So currently unsolved ideas for this level:

Big WR
golden namas
Coordinates
Many unsolved clues in images

[severe creek]

considering rob said l3 is all about the golden namas, i feel like we have so many concrete clues with them, they should be the "simpler" of things to solve

[hard current]

Yeah that’s what I thought too:/ I’ve poured over the heist map and the lost legacy finder so much

Tried so much in Vegas lol

[severe creek]

kyoto for me ive stared at legacy finder for an incredible amount of time.

i think it could be possible that a cash box could be insertable somewhere other than a cash out station, but theres still perimeters that would need to be met for that to occur

[hard current]

Probably

[dusk siren]

If all about them... possible one or more are close to the last... i.e. the whole level is learning stuff that finally explains all 3 nama tamas

not to be a debbie downer about it

[severe creek]

not being a downer, all possibilities are on the table at this point

iirc, rob has been surprised we havent found them yet though

[dusk siren]

Rob talks like anything and everything is solvable from where we start, so im not really discouraged as far as "things we can't get yet"

Connections: Ken Smith's poem "Fox Running" closes with the words "a wise man holds out", alluding to lines from the Old English poem The Wanderer.

Connections: A 'sakura' and 'kitsune' connection via the Japanese manga Hyper Police, from Dragon Comics, in which the Sakura character is a "foxgirl"

[dusk siren]

Re-upping this 👆 one time only.
Steal apples = steal eggs?
"Box the Fox" = Cashbox and the Fox? Fox gets the cashbox from in the vault? Fox needs to be "boxed" (go in a box)?
Originates from the Volpe boxing level in the Las Vegas battle pass

More bundles that are potentially relevant to hints to Kyoto Gold Nama Tama mechanics or locations:

• "Firefox" is a nickname for the red panda

"Peak out from the bamboo grove and pounce on your opponents"
Pounce down from up above on the cliffside to down below to find the Nama Tama "vault"?

• SLY SWAY is implicitly a Kitsune bundle with references to shapeshifting
• "FOX TOT" is missing an "R"... does TOT look like an egg or Nama Tama in a box? Vault? Kyoto Cellar?

TOT... 🤔

I'm guessing we don't have a wiki that kept up with bundles in this nice format beyond Season 2.
Next time I'm in the game, I'll try to do an exhaustive search for potential Kyoto-Kitsune connections so at least the search won't have to be done again.

[dusk siren]

A pretty solid "fox" <-> "bell" connection
Compare the idea to the Volpe boxing level in the Las Vegas battle pass
"Foxgloves" is another name for digitalis plants
"Dead Man's Bells" is another name for "Foxgloves" (also "Witch's Gloves" <- is there a Witch cosmetic that matches this idea?)

I'm still working on the "foxhole" and "bell tower" angle for a potential "Lost Legacy Finders" gold Nama Tama on Kyoto, if anyone has any other ideas before I go into the game next and goof around in that area of the map.

Foxgloves and Dead Man's Bells are very toxic plants that contain cardiac glycosides ("heartbreakers"??), particularly a toxin called digoxin
Digoxin = dig + oxin??
Toxin -> digoxin ----> "T" -> "dig"??
TOT ---> dig(O)dig... dig around an egg? Dig around a hidden nama tama?
As @severe creek noted, the Legacy Finder description mentions "digging deeper"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digitalis

Not essential, but digitalis, deriving from digits or fingers, is potentially connected to the tally marks and archer's glove items
The Legacy Finder AKM skin features such tally marks. Fingers also scratch, claw or dig. A hand has 5 digits. etc. etc.

Just because... the SLY SWAY bundle... SLYS WAY... S LYS WAY... 5 LIES WAY? the "way to 5 Lies"? Maybe, I've simply lost my way. 🥹

[dusk siren]

Btw, this was the cornerstone I was talking about that matched the carved "fox" symbol.
At the time, I assumed it was merely a "heart" symbol (and it might still be both).
The weird thing is that the last time I went specifically to hunt Kyoto was my first time in S9 and the stone was no longer there....... To draw attention by its absence? ..... On the other hand, I think lots of stones may have been removed around the foundations of all the buildings on the map, so maybe it was just an optimization thing (or both).

That was the cornerstone of the corner-most Villa building, with the "fox" shape pointing toward the Cliffside and the bell tower.
EDIT: This was a very rare cornerstone on the map at the time of this screenshot. In fact, I only ever found this one, but someone did say there was one other in a different corner of the map.

Compare the cornerstone to the carved "fox" on the Legacy Finders skin

Someone (sorry I don't know who to give credit to, @crisp eagle ??) also drew attention to this official art.

The vault may just be a standard vault, but it also clearly matches the one on the Lost Legacy map.

Back to the Legacy Finders skin, the question at the time was whether that house out in the pond was the little house in the skin.

In that case, by combining the skin with the Lost Legacy map, maybe the dashed trail in the map that comes in from the torn part of the map originated at that nearby little house that is in the background of the official cashout and vault art posted above.

At least at one point there were a few yellow colored stone paths in the pond. One of which went from the house in the pond toward the villa with the "fox"-shaped cornerstone.

Perhaps a kind of "yellow brick road" leading to the gold(en Nama Tama)?

Going down in the cellar of the Villa building could be like going down a "foxhole", and once there, perhaps we just need to "dig deeper". Maybe we need some other stuff (Kitsune stuff?), like fire, but it definitely feels like just digging in the dirt in the celler could be at least part of the trigger.

I still think there's a chance the bell in the bell tower is something to do with the EE:

• the bell is "egg"-shaped and hollow
• when broken and unable to ring, the bell could correspond to a "speak no evil" aspect of the Samurai chin-strapped gold Nama Tama

If the bell is involved, the best case scenario would seem to be merely having to break the bell before activating the EE (the "hear no evil" component?)

Next best case would be having to destroy the entire bell tower, including the bell, down to its stone foundation (its "stump"??) before activating the EE.

The worst case scenario, imho, is that clues like "foxgloves" = "dead man's bells" implies we have to get the bell into the Villa foundation before the EE can be activated, and I have no idea if the bell can be launched with an angled bounce pad all the way to that far cellar without first breaking.

Just so as not to narrow the search too far, before I remembered the old ideas I just posted above, I was thinking the most likely "foxhole" would be under the building closest to the cliffside. This might at least narrow the search down to two buildings and two cellars, though.

Looking at the Lost Legacy map one more time, it does seem like the little door is specifically square-shaped.
This really feels like it would match one of the little openings down to one of the cellars, as much as that previously seemed "too simple".
The vault in the map is at the base of a "mountain", as well, like those two potential buildings are at the base of the steep "cliffside".

To the extent it is nice if a Kyoto EE would involve features unique to the Kyoto map and features from the season it was released, you do have the following when you combine all these ideas so far:

• The little house in the middle of the water which may be implicit as the start of the trail (water was new)
• A cellar of one of the buildings near the cliffside which might be the destination of the trail (cellars were new)
• The spear (possibly suitable for digging)
• The recurve bow (possibly suitable for piercing)
• The dual swords (possibly suitable for scratching or slashing)

There are also the 5 "cutting sticks" which were unique to the Kyoto map.
These would have to be transported way across the map.
Some considerations:

• The 5 cutting sticks could correspond to the groups of 5 tally marks on the Legacy Finders AKM skin
• Tally marks are scratched, carved, or dug out
• There's an entire Kyoto battle pass level devoted to wood-carving
• Foxglove and dead man's bells are names for the digitalis plant, which derives its name from digits or fingers
• A hand and a glove has 5 fingers (thought not an archer's glove??)

This is probably overload, so I'm not really expecting others to get on board.
Until other people think the ideas line up, I understand the only way to prove it is to actually find a gold Kyoto nama tama this way or not. 🙂 ❤️

[gloomy anvil]

why do I feel like the Black Knight conspiracy is actually just us during this hunt

what did Rob mean by this

[gloomy anvil]

The ISS geocache being hidden in a locker (#218) reminds me of the safe / locker room in Las Vegas that our map leads to

Just noting somewhere we've seen 218 before

It was also the red RGB value of this gif #easter-eggs message

[dusk siren]

218 satisfies the {A,B,C,1,2,3,O,0} condition, fwiw
218 = BAB

Revised Kyoto Golden Nama Tama hypothesis:

• The bell can be ignored (the bell is already lacking a “clapper” and can’t be rung and can't “speak”)
• The scratches and tally marks on the Legacy Finders AKM skin are significant (5 scratches per group)
• The EE might be triggered using the primary and secondary attacks of the dual blades
  • Dual blades probably best matches the attire of the gold Samurai Nama Tama
  • Dual blades might also best match the slashes used to make tally marks
  • There are the 5 cutting sticks on the map which might be a related clue
  • The dual blades idea would be further supported if the combination of primary and secondary attacks from the dual blades can be used to make exactly 5 slashes or scratches
• There is one other cosmetic that is interesting, which is the Archer’s Glove, in the context of foxgloves, scratches, digging, and tally marks. It talks about “hand-drawn arrows,” which could be an oblique reference to hand-drawn tally marks. It is also a glove that fully covers only two fingers, perhaps echoing the dual blades as two fox claws.
• Conclusion: Going for the simplest concept first, I’m thinking of going around in the two cellars closest to the bell tower next to the cliffside and making 5 slashes with the dual blades (potentially in a specific combination of primary and secondary attacks) in different spots. This would correspond to the themes of "digging deeper" and of the Legacy Finders AKM skin, which has a ton of groups of 5 slashes, each representing failed attempts to find the “vault”, made until an attempt presumably succeeds.

[dusk siren]

👆

[dusk siren]

Best idea 👆 I've heard related to the Masterplan Markup map and the cage-vault-safe-locker room in a long, long time!

@low escarp Oh, yeah! I didn't even consider the crossed swords angle.... I don't know... Not sure it leads to a Gold Nama Tama, but I personally think these clues themselves make a very pretty pattern when all brought together.

[severe creek]

quite fittingly enough, i had also come to believe golden nama was in the same area roughly as you with different evidence

[low escarp]

oh i just put ⚔️ for dual blades hehe

[dusk siren]

I know... but the "crossed swords" idea... the connection to "X marks the spot"... It would be a nice touch, anyway.

[dusk siren]

Would love to hear additional evidence and ideas
When I first started focusing on that area, it was a lot more on vibes alone
I feel like I'm seeing more clues to support it now (real or imagined)

---

My only defense for this one is that time Rob said, “Nothing in the game is random".
A “hunters and seekers” theme for an EE hunt??
OSPUZE = monsters -> monster hunters
ENGIMO = dragons -> dragon hunters
Volpe = foxes -> fox hunters
DISSUN = power -> power seekers
ALFA ACTA = knowledge -> knowledge hunters (via Adam/Atom)
HOLTOW = gods -> god hunters (CEO Rutile -> Titanium -> titans vs. gods)
Iseul-T = woman (and queen?) seekers
VAIIYA = man (and king?) hunters
TRENTILA = tigers -> tiger hunters

CNS = love and beauty seekers (O)

Would make 1-9 and 0 exactly
Anagram of the first letters of the sponsors' names: VIVO DEATH
Okay, surely some of the things in the game are random.

[severe creek]

#1289459770063065088 message

i posted about it in this thread. but i think our starting point could be the guest house. from there, using the mountains to guide me, the general area that would make sense would be that area somewhere below the bell tower since its the closest to the eastern most mountain

[dusk siren]

Oh, wow, I never saw this 👆 laid out so clearly before... nice

I also never saw this 👆 laid out so clearly before... that really connects the Legacy Finders and Lost Legacy clues in the strongest way possible.
Literally locates the little house on the dashed trail on the Lost Legacy map
I have definitely been feeling like old clues are matching up with some potential new clues the last couple days.
Again, hope it's not just my imagination.

[severe creek]

and using the Stump EE, i figured those were the two most unique trees/stumps we have in Kyoto, which is what made me conclude on the guest house as the potential house depicted

[dusk siren]

Dang... you even worked in some tree stumps?! 😄

"Tis but a scratch" ... @dull marsh 🤔

[severe creek]

when i first got interested in the hunt, i skimmed through a lot of the EE threads and those two clicked together for me.

the map edge appearing damp also lines up with traversing through water, which the pond is also down there

[dusk siren]

I'm gonna just have to go in the game and try to find the dang thing, aren't I?
Talk is cheap, right?

[dusk siren]

I also really liked @hard current 's call on this "dog" shape 👆 (I'm hoping "fox" shape) as long as we're really inspecting the map extra closely.

[severe creek]

i had also thought that but didnt have all your extra supporting clues so just let the thought pass. i just havent figured out what perimeters need to be met as far as loadout/map varient/etc

[dusk siren]

Would be nice to narrow the search down even more... sigh

[severe creek]

agreed 🥲 ive combed through the map and clues more times than i can count at this point

[dusk siren]

lolllllllllll

[severe creek]

i would assume that it would be a medium class required considering the akm and dual blades

[low escarp]

the 2 unique big stumps beeing the 2 trees makes sense but what bothers me about it is that on the map the trees are W/E of each other but the stumps are N/S of each other
could be that the hand drawn and torn map isnt perfect but mixing up NS and WE ...

[severe creek]

i agree with you, this has also been something that ive kept in mind with it

[low escarp]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1q0c9hu/been_to_miniature_wonderland_felt_the_urge_to/ https://www.youtube.com/shorts/p__Z1sfjzqk

[dusk siren]

Oh... and you're the wizard with the dual blades, right?

[dusk siren]

Good point, but maybe... just a matter of perspecive? Either way, I'm not sure it has to be quite so precise. Or am hoping so

[dusk siren]

Wow... well, that's interesting 🤔 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miniatur_Wunderland

A stretch but Skyway Stadium + a Bridge?? (It does have bridges)

Oops... constructed too late to make sense, probably... March 2021 - Dec. 2021

"Fox" can be an abbreviation for the code word "Foxtrot", indicating "F" (especially in the U.S.)
This is another thing I like about "Fox" for a puzzle hunt like this.
I first considered the idea while looking at "fcbytaehrcr" again.
I don't think the idea applies right here, but can post it, anwyay, in case the general concept helps in the future.
1947 ICAO radiotelegraph code / 1920 UECU / 1927 D.C. International Radiotelegraph Convention (CCIR) / 1956 ICAO final code words

• f = Fox / France / Francisco / Foxtrot / Foxtrot
• c = Charlie / Canada / Canada / Charlie
• b = Baker / Brussels / Baltimore / Bravo
• y = Yoke / Yokohama / Yokohama / Yankee
• t = Tare / Tokio / Tokio / Tango
• a = Able / Argentine / Amsterdam / Alfa
• e = Easy / Ecuador / Eddystone / Echo
• h = How / Hanover / Hanover / Hotel
• r = Roger / Rome / Rivoli / Romeo
• c = Charlie / Canada / Canada / Charlie
• r = Roger / Rome / Rivoli / Romeo
  Note: "Foxtrot" may be shortened to "Fox" at airports in the United States, and it has been reported that "Hawk" is sometimes used for "Hotel" in the Philippines.

[surreal sinew]

oh this place iv been here i think

[fallow sapphire]

this might not be anything, but i just wanted to post this here just in case. i originally thought it was a skin texture from one of the battlepass skins, but i dont have any of those yet

for context i was doing my mickey impression just before

but just ignore that

[unkempt dune]

You have a party member though

[fallow sapphire]

he does own them, but they arent on any of his active characters/skin rotations for favorite weapons

[fallow sapphire]

we were thinking it might have been one of the lava skins originally

[rotund swan]

every game i go into at least 2 people are wearing that coat

[surreal sinew]

its a bug u get the effects from teammates if they change skin while u are in ur loadout thing

@fallow sapphire

[odd sequoia]

Happy New Year hunters!

[surreal sinew]

happy new year

[dusk siren]

Happy new year guys

Also, I'm basically 100% certain that one Gold Nama Tama meaning of this sequence from the Season 5 Trailer is POPCORN and MICROWAVES
https://youtu.be/zSbUS-i0D_Q?si=PdSZceyl_kHZ3V0U&t=24

And one meaning of that is MOVIE POPCORN

[hard axle]

My account has been mistakenly banned. I am sure of that and ready to provide any evidence I can. I am an experienced player in the finals and I know the terms of use and would never dare to violate them.

[dusk siren]

Also: Much more certain that at least one of the "MW.Areas" correspond to this MICROWAVEABLE POPCORN ("MW") idea and a little more confident that each Gold Nama Tama corresponds to one of the "MW.Areas"... "Level 3 is all about the golden nama tamas"

Gonna take me a while to put all the evidence together to show you guys

That trailer sequence is good, though. From the BULGING CASHBOX that always seemed odd to me to the EXPLODING VAULT in the next scene, and the fact that I never really connected the two together. Golden popcorn kernels as golden seeds exploding... hopefully I can put the evidence together in a compelling way

Side note: I forgot how much of a banger that trailer was.

[alpine junco]

Wrong chat

[dusk siren]

One other thing that I think was intentional... the trailer suddenly rewinds like you're watching a movie on an old VHS cassette, and then you go BACK TO THE FUTURE (one or more of either I, II, or III in the trilogy???), which would be a little movie reference thrown in. EDIT: The fact that the Mayans who lived in and around where modern day Bernal is located were one of the first people to cultivate maize (corn) is another that just popped into my head... no pun intended 🙁 I'm hoping people start noticing other connections.

[dusk siren]

Might as well say that the starting point that led to all this begins all the way back in the Eastwood Hotel on Las Vegas and Clint Eastwood.
Would love other people to take a look at some things through this movie popcorn lens. Maybe some of you will feel like you notice new things as well

[fallow sapphire]

Thank you!

[unkempt dune]

probably one of the wildest coincidences, but if you do an alphanumeric shift of 123 to 19, you end up with GO

[robust junco]

THE FINALS 67 EE when? 👀

Im kidding lol

Rob wouldn't do us like that

[surreal sinew]

god i hope not

[gloomy anvil]

This year we are cutting out the noise, climbing out of the rabbit holes, and writing in those Level 3 passwords.

[white patrol]

we solve the ee when jan 23rd come

[unkempt dune]

https://tenor.com/view/ohhh-duh-why-didnt-i-think-of-that-gif-21849807

[fresh quiver]

I would hate when rob appears this date 😂

[hard current]

I think myself and @unborn pilot are out of ideas when it comes to a potential namatama on vegas

completely out...

[gloomy anvil]

I found out just a minute ago that U2's "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" was filmed on Fremont Street, which is fitting lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3-5YC_oHjE

[hard current]

none of it makes sense in my little head anymore

can I voice a concern

I genuinely fear we may never make progress again in the hunt, and it might die when the game does someday

but... I guess the hunt continues

[fresh quiver]

hm. idk

[dusk siren]

If you guys are at your wits end, I have a fairly complete theory I'm about to drop on the Masterplan Markup map and Las Vegas nama tama.
I am pretty confident it could get us between 0% and let's say 70% there.

[hard current]

anythings better than nothing

[dusk siren]

I'm trying to wrap up like a rough draft of sorts, but this was kinda wild.
I just needed to look up an image of a "one-armed bandit" (slot machine) and this popped up.
Hit "slot machine", "Sega", and "Bell"... slot machine analogy unintended

[hard current]

this is the hunt level

I imagine it's just hunting for the golden namas in game right now

[unborn pilot]

Patience. Saint Rob will bless us one day

[hard current]

https://tenor.com/view/im-going-to-die-stanley-the-office-gif-10555884

ah well.. I will let my brain rest for a while

[unborn pilot]

I didn’t say you could do that. Put that thinking cap back on

We just gotta keep trying. Figure out why the S and J. Why those 3 slot machines are missing. What those extra rectangles are. Why are there rocks at the edge of the vault room.

[gloomy anvil]

There are rocks?

[unborn pilot]

Yeah we just spent like 10 minutes elbowing them all on sandstorm. They are under the wall that goes out to the street once you break it.

Dev did something and noticed.

[gloomy anvil]

Ah well rocks anywhere related to a golden nama sound interesting. I'd like to see them at some point.

[surreal sinew]

Whatever u say me definitely not rob

[unborn pilot]

Our eyes perked up when we saw rocks.

[surreal sinew]

Cmon we can do this I believe I really do and if you don’t I can believe for all of us

[unborn pilot]

Considering how cryptic all the maps are this one is too obvious almost to go right to the vault room

[hard current]

I don’t think it’s anything, the rocks appear on the ground when you destroy other areas in Vegas casinos, around the outside walls

outside walls of any casino building, create enough rubble and it creates an indestructible debris texture on the ground

Neat, but probably not anything for the golden nama

Wasn’t there a theory surrounding the casinos and how 1 of them is dawn and the other are nights?

Or something like that

[surreal sinew]

PROGRESS ATT LAST WE MUST REJOICE ALL HAIL SAINT ROB

[unborn pilot]

Oh you think the walls breaking creates a new texture on the ground? Thats possible but there was some elevation to them. They never went away either

[surreal sinew]

(Chat I might be insane I can’t fall asleep for the last 3 hours and now it’s 2:45 am help)

[hard current]

Yeah but I tested it on argon too, destroyed some of the outer walls of argon and the same texture appeared

@unborn pilot
1 night 3 dawns
Zaraby dawn
Eastwood night
Argon night
Glamora night

Wasn’t this once eyed by rob or something?

[unborn pilot]

I think so. An order to them.

ZEGA like SEGA

[dusk siren]

Okay.... been spending a lot of time thinking about science-related topics for the SYS secret room EE ('hard science'-y stuff), and I suddenly looked at the Masterplan Markup map and thought:
"What if that's Brownian motion?"

[unborn pilot]

Or GAZE like stars

[hard current]

I’m trying to recall,, what if you have to enter/exit the other casinos first before Eastwood?

Idk I’m out of ideas for this damn Nama so throwing stuff at the wall now

[surreal sinew]

Whats the brownisn motion

[unborn pilot]

Idk. Also I go back to the idea that a heist is rarely done alone

1 Monaco can be done alone
2 Vegas (2 people)

[hard current]

We tried it together remember? Maybe a team of 4, seems stereotypical for the genre

[surreal sinew]

True

[surreal sinew]

Kyoto 3?

[unborn pilot]

3 Kyoto (full squad)

Yeah

[dusk siren]

Things kinda snowballed from there
Gonna post 3 pngs...
Have no idea if this works at all or everything is impossible to see, but at least you can see it all laid out
Very rough
Very incomplete
But I kinda want to drop something all together.

[dusk siren]

Brownian motion is when a particle kinda bounces around and jiggles all over... originally observed about a grain of pollen under a microscope

[hard current]

Interesting, but it all hinges on an assumption of potentially brownian motion? Rob is thorough… but I’m not sure the golden Nama is quite so deep

As always I could be wrong

[unborn pilot]

Idk. But I’m trying to think of what might need to be done as two people on Vegas even.

[dusk siren]

doesn't all hinge on that...
that's what the 100 other clues are for

[unborn pilot]

Also fear and loathing in Vegas

Is a duo

[hard current]

Yeah… I don’t know, all I know is that I know nothing!

Rob, I hope you are enjoying watching 😎😂

[dusk siren]

I mean... I'm not going to respond to every single person
Anyone can feel free to look through it for themselves
Anyone is definitely going to have to spend time connecting the dots for themselves
If anyone wants the upshot, goo and fire are likely two of the key ingredients.

Anyway, I spent a big chunk of today on it, so I'd rather people either actually give it a close look or not comment on it at all. 🙂 ❤️

[surreal sinew]

But what does microwaved popcorn lead to

[unborn pilot]

I read everything posted. Especially if it’s easy to read. I don’t always have something to comment

[dusk siren]

It's a theme...

When you heat a popcorn kernel it pops into a goo-shaped blob....

That's the upshot

[unborn pilot]

Surprised you didn’t mention the corn outfit

There was more popcorn stuff too if I recall.

[dusk siren]

Lolllll....
I said before I posted that it is incomplete, rough draft, etc.
I say in each of the pngs that I'm not even including all the clues I think I've seen and I'm sure there are many others that I don't know but other people do.
Spent... let's say hours... lots I'm sure I forgot to mention or didn't even realize could be included (and that's aside from the typos

[dusk siren]

This is what I'm saying.... more and more stuff started connecting

Things that should connect

Like the "Steal the Spotlight" LTM

[unborn pilot]

Idk when this was added but now we have two codes in same format

[dusk siren]

The sad irony is that if it's even remotely right... that's only the beginning really.

[unborn pilot]

H 5942617857 VRI
H 3874864791 VRI

[dusk siren]

Anyway, if I'm satisfied about anything, it's that I finally have at least one hypothesis for the Masterplan Markup map that I don't think was completely arbitrary

Gnight all ❤️

For anyone who just wants ideas to try out for an EE mechanic, I thought the combination of "microwaved popcorn" and the "Steal the Spotlight" loadout might be the best place to start.
Microwavable popcorn involves:

• Heat (pyro nade, pyro mine)?
• Pressure (charge ‘n’ slam)?
• Kernels (C4)?
• Puffed-up Popcorn (goo grenade)?
  Note: the loadout doesn't feature a goo gun, but the Las Vegas battle pass features two(!!) goo gun skins when I'm not sure it needed to.

I'm not saying those items in the loadout are definitely in the mechanic, just that each one could potentially correspond to those 4 ingredients.

I should put my money where my mouth is, right?... $50 worth of multibucks if I'm right?
($100 would be too embarrassing if I'm wrong 😂 )

Takers? 🙂

[unborn pilot]

Not sure what Rob was looking around at the ground on Vegas. Only this reflection popped out.

[gloomy anvil]

I recognize where these connections are coming from, but I think many are stretches, and I think it's fairly unlikely that Rob would've made this center around microwavable popcorn.

We have to be wary of setting out a target destination for a theory beforehand and then finding connections to bridge the gap, because it will always be possible to do so, no matter what the theory is.

I don't recall exactly when popcorn came up so for all I know this isn't like that, and I'm not trying to discredit any one theory, but I still want to mention it. Occam's Razor yaknow, it always gets us.

[dusk siren]

Welp... don't know what to say
Someone could take my bet, get ahold of Rob (I don't care how), settle it one way or another, and win my $50 worth of multibucks
Maybe that would be too easy
Sorry to be glib, but Rob said he had over 3,000 clues on his Miro board
What exactly are people imagining these clues to be if not stuff like this? (Sincere question)
Also, I didn't start with a target destination, obviously. I was led to it.
Yes, starting from Brownian motion. If you say, "Brownian motion"? Doesn't sound like something Rob would do, then yeah, read no further.
Anyway, framing it as leading to a "destination" was entirely for presentation purposes.
Anyway, I do appreciate your honest reply and sincere take.
But it's funny that people are like, "We're out of ideas," and then you give them 100 ideas that are reasonably well connected and they say, within 5 seconds, "No those can't be right."
Meanwhile, rcade is reminding me, oh, yeah, there's that bizarre corn outfit
I don't know... guess I have to just smile and get on with things. 🙂 ❤️

As I kinda hinted at the other day, if you dribble out clues you don't get anywhere either.
If I say, hey, guys... we have SILK... what about CORN SILK?
Then people say "yeah, maybe..." and go on their merry way
I guess, add me to the list of people voicing concern and feeling discouraged. 🙂

Corn silk literally has to do with eggs... 🤣 🤣 🤣
Can't make this stuff up

Oh, and the "0" and "00" on the roulette wheel...
That's not "000" like I thought at first
That's "0" -> "00"...
Like the cell division in the S5 trailer

Like the corn embryo becoming a new corn plant

it's a work in progress is what it is

[white patrol]

Tom, I think what you see is only things on the surface. So many rabbit holes you dug, I am sure some of them would be helpful, I read through some of things you posted and I genuinely think there might be a connection. I might have given you a reaction, or I might forget about it.
but

"reasonably well connected and they say, within 5 seconds, "No those can't be right."
This is not true; people might find your stuff interesting, but they probably didn't say anything/know what to make out of it (to make a comment), to me it is the case, and I hope many others are like this as well
Though people might not agree with what you say now, doesn't mean they don't agree with anything/all things you've said :3
"reasonably well connected" is quite subjective since that's just how mind works, we are guessing stuff, not reasoning, you might think connecting to the "egg" is enough; others might think it has to connect back to a clue related to egg, etc etc.

What I'm trying to say is, don't feel discouraged! People might disagree at some point; vice versa, people might agree at some point as well. Maybe they just don't show them directly, and
you have to count in the differences between "connections in your head" vs "the connections you wrote down" things can be drastically different between what's in your mind vs what you write down

A friendly advice for healthy EE hunting: Don't expect literally anything, at all (confirmation from rob, nods from other hunters, etc etc)

[gloomy anvil]

I see what you mean, and of course I can't say that anybody is wrong or right on anything, only Rob can. I can only speak from my own experience.

During T3, many of us came to assume that the solution was hiding behind a yet-undiscovered string of "final" connections that we just hadn't found yet. We (myself certainly) spent a looot of time on new theories (with connections we felt confident in) when we should've spent more time turning what we already had into password attempts. The more clues Rob gave, the harder it was to not branch off like this.

That said, there have been moments that surprised me. When RHB presented the lore connections to NYC, the gilded age, robber barrons etc, I was doubtful. It seemed unlikely, but I was wrong. You are certainly right not to underestimate Rob in that regard.

Going back to the EE hunt though, the L3 activation comes to mind as another example of something we made quite complex that was actually somewhat straightforward. Find the EEs, turn their locations into words, add the words together. It was Occam's Razor again.

But again, I don't know what's right or wrong any more than anyone else. We are all just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks because that's all we can do, and it's tougher than ever right now without Rob here to engage and guide us.

[hard current]

I always operate under the assumption the simplest, most straightforward, and most boring answer is usually the right one, that's why when we got stuck on ovoaurum I felt like I was going insane

but not everyone else does! and that's ok 🙂

[white patrol]

for example this:
(Just trying to add in my perspective, Tom, :3 and maybe this can help you see why some people, or me personally, didn't engage with this conclusion.)
"yeah, maybe corn silk.. did rob ever mentioned corn related clues? I don't remember."
and that was it (yes sorry I'm bit simple minded, but if there's more than 2 clue indicator pointing directly to someone's theory, I would genuinely help digging)

[hard current]

the reason i didn't pursue corn silk is because imo we would've had some sort of clue in the L3 images that pertained to corn then

[eternal violet]

Never forget T3 theories about pulsar stars and the birth of the universe when the password was basically spelt out in bold in the patch notes 2 months ago that everyone knew about.

[hard current]

also why I personally keep my connection generally more reserved, we had people convinced religion and adam and even and the bible held huge clues

the truth is, you can find connections to ANYTHING anywhere.. we're only separated by 6 degrees to any one other person

[white patrol]

exactly

[hard current]

so, that being said, I generally try to make connections on cold hard numbers and facts

like how we got geocache

clues pointing to geo location, satellites, etc

clues pointing to the birthplace of geocaching (not called that, then)

geo location -> compasses/maps -> geocaching

[white patrol]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_rabbit_hole

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/921907529196371998.webp?size=48

[hard current]

this exactly.. sometimes when I'm trying to find connections I realize I'm way too deep and cut it off right then and there

imo, a good connection usually has multiple other connections as well

geolocation -> geocaching
compasses/maps -> geocaching -> also used for geolocation
original can of beans -> geocaching

all are directly or indirectly related to geocache

so when I look for connections, I'm looking for multiple cold hard facts/math/decoding/science/historical significance to try and piece it together:)

@dusk siren your ability to connect is amazing, for me, I generally rely on a bit of a different approach, so a lot of the info you present is very overwhelming to my brain and as such, I stay quiet 🙂

not that it's not good, I just can't handle it 🥹

[gloomy anvil]

Yeah, I liked the neutron star merger, Urania's Mirror, and "anser" theories personally. It was easy to think "it can't really be 'golden egg' because we'd have solved the tier ages ago", and that's how it took 126 days.

[grizzled hatch]

Does anyone have any breakthroughs on the rose easter egg beyond just the red generator and the floating roses behind the light in the crate

[severe creek]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1203859365610922036

enjoy the madness

[dusk siren]

"Steal the Spotlight" LTM
SOLO BANK-IT
SOL O BANK-IT
SUN EGG BANK-IT
Sunglasses Nama Tama Bank-It
It's a work in progress...

Double letter item names like the roulette zeros
"0" -> "00"
"D" -> "DD" (DIAMONDS DIAMONDS)
Like cell division (watch the S5 Trailer)
It's a work in progress...

[hard current]

Floating roses…?

[grizzled hatch]

Thank you

[alpine junco]

Sun Egg Yolk

[surreal sinew]

per person right

[surreal sinew]

walks down to embark hq

[surreal sinew]

@dusk siren i do think the same its just i dont know what to do with them (cus im a dummy) but i really love reading all your ideas

[surreal sinew]

But for real chat if u need me to look around Stockholm or deliver a message to embark like urgent (like really urgent or important like ee changing or super highly sensitive) send me a dm or ping me and il do my very best to help out and especially if u think smth is hidden in Stockholm cus I can help out and I want to help out i don’t feel like I have done very much of value for you guys

[dusk siren]

Cashbox + Cashier's cage vault (X on Masterplan Mark__up__) + Sandstorm + Alien Invasion
Popcorn kernel (see S5 trailer) + microwave oven's Faraday cage + microwave radiation as particle storm + microwave radio transmissions
Would fit popcorn + microwaves + movies (in multiple ways)
All I'm saying is that it would make sense

[swift mulch]

Honestly the first thing that came to mind when seeing this was the peace center map, mostly due to the type of trees and the mountains

When / where was this treasure map released?

I think the map is fully alfa acta branded, but maybe there is a buidling with a The Finals logo?

[gloomy anvil]

late S4

[swift mulch]

Ok and peace centre was S6 if I'm not mistaken so I'm mumbling rubbish again 😅

[gloomy anvil]

I does look similar I agree but you're right the timing doesn't line up

[gloomy anvil]

• Where / Place: Devon - /devoncrossing
• Who / Name: William Crossing, Galileo - /galileo , /devoncrossing
• What / Object: OCB - /ocb

I wonder why "devoncrossing" combined a place and name into one URL. Feels like the "crossing" part may have other significance.

Crossed swords, or perhaps related to "-crossing" as a term in astronomy for an object whose orbit crosses that of a planet. e.g. "Earth-crossing". Not sure on that, just came across it.

[swift mulch]

I terms of orbits, you would usually talk about transits

[gloomy anvil]

I'm not particularly knowledgeable on the subject

I wonder if it might also be accurate to categorize /galileo as "how", because in the context of level 1 it referred to the Galileo satellite system providing GPS services.

[swift mulch]

While reading I cam by a galileo crossing and william article 😅

[swift mulch]

It could refer to many things tbh. Some of Jupiters moons are named after galileo (Galilean moons). Like you mentioned the Galileo satelite navigation system, the galileo mission to jupiter, a type of themometer, craters on the moon and mars, a number of telescopes, concepts like galilean relativity and there was even a unit for oprical power if I am not mistaken

[gloomy anvil]

In general lots can connect yeah. I just mean what was specifically confirmed by Rob as Galileo's "X" connection during that level. #easter-eggs message

[swift mulch]

Ah ok I have never seen this before, way waaaay before my time

I do understand this message from Dusty now in accordance to the web pages ❌ ❌ ❌

[gloomy anvil]

Kinda counter intuitive that ❌ actually meant "correct" back then lol, but it made sense as there were three Xs to find.

[gloomy anvil]

You might notice Dusty's message sort of comes out of nowhere. It was in response to darnoux finding /ocb (the final URL), but their message (among others) has since been deleted, which is a shame.

[swift mulch]

Feelsbad. How were these URL's found?

I'm trying to understand how these fall in the bigger picture / how relevant they are as well

[gloomy anvil]

/devoncrossing was found from "devon", "crossing", and the "/" character in the very first image
/galileo was found from Galileo's birthdate in the second image
/ocb was found after level 1 had ended, some images had contained clues about "OG Beans"

I definitely recommend getting a solid understanding of level 1 as imo it's quite relevant now https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Level_1_-_The_Commence

[swift mulch]

Thanks! I will definitely go through lvl 1 again. I think I scanned though it a long time ago, and spent more time on current things. But it will help.

Also something I noticed when opening duhmeisters link, is that there is a query parameter in the URL. But it doesn't actually do anything.

https://www.reachthefinals.com/geocache?rq=geo

Loads the same as

https://www.reachthefinals.com/geocache

I wonder why this rq=geo was put there

[gloomy anvil]

I know why but it's not important to the actual EE

[swift mulch]

Tracking probably then 😅

At least you saved me some sleepless nights and endless rabit holes, thanks!

[swift mulch]

Oh shit I just found Flex4d's 200+ page document. I got some proper catching up to do 😅

[gloomy anvil]

May 3rd is the 123rd day of the year, as @unkempt dune pointed out recently.

• Dave Ulmer placed the first ever geocache on May 3, 2000.
• May 3 is commonly recognized as international Sun Day. #1220636359153291284 message
• Elvis Presley recorded "I Want to Be Free" on May 3, 1957. #1220636359153291284 message

No new themes here, but more ties to existing ones.

[gloomy anvil]

It annoys me how STS-88 was 35 minutes off launching on 12/3

[dull marsh]

In french "1, 2, 3, Sun" is the equivalents of "Red Light, Green Light"

NA-ahh name

wtf Australia

[dusk siren]

In-Game Question: Is it possible to get a random scenario in Las Vegas Sandstorm in which an alien UFO flies directly over the "X" in the Eastwood Vault on the Maasterplan Markup map (think X-files), picks up a cashbox from the floor of the vault and then drops the vault from the sky back to the floor of the Vault? Even just for fun?
I've tried 6 or 7 times and the UFOs have gotten close but not quite directly overhead.
In addition to the "X-Files" connection, if you check out the "crown" on the SOUVENIRS sign in the image, it basically looks like this:

• An egg falling from the sky
• Down toward a red box, with and "X" in it and a smaller square at the center of the X (the "X" on the floor of the vault and a cashbox in its center?)
• The "flamingo" looking things that make up the crown also look a bit like a splash
• In the splash are 3 little dudes, kind of like a team of 3 players
• Above the falling egg you see a square with a circle above it, like something with a head, but not like the 3 human looking dudes below (an alien?)
  I've been using the KS to clear the ceiling and roof above the cashbox on the floor of the vault where there's a bunch of sand (again, the X in the map). It's pretty easy to do. It did occur to me that randomness might be part of the whole Las Vegas theme (the die happy dice, the movement of the UFOs, if it is indeed random).
  Anyway, I'll eventually do it a bunch of times (who knows how many times I'll try), but if a few people thought it was an interesting idea and even only did it a few times, presumably the randomness would eventually work in our favor.
  Then, either a Nama Tama would drop out of the sky when the UFO drops it, or it won't (assuming it ever does fly overhead in the Sandstorm variant)
  Thank you for reading this far.

[inland hemlock]

we noticed this right?

[worn rivet]

Ofc

[inland hemlock]

ight ight i imagined, couldn't find the convo

[dusk siren]

Oh, and pertaining to that idea of getting the aliens to pick up and drop a cashbox back into the vault, there could be one other clue I didn't mention.
The sign of the "crown" features curious "bars" on it, like the bars of a "cage."
The Casino vault is accessed via the Cashier's cage according to the Masterplan Markup map

There's one other thing, too, because I'm trying not to leave anything out that would make all the work wasted:
Each time I do this, I make sure to carry the cashbox according to the path indicated on the Masterplan Markup map.
Seems worth the effort, once I'm already spending maybe 10 minutes per attempt.

To sum up:

• I equip a KS on a Heavy and hope nothing else in the loadout is essential to trigger the EE
• I go into a match on the Las Vegas Sandstorm map and run to the nearest vault and unlock the cashbox
• I go over to the entrance of the Eastwood where the Masterplan Markup path starts (coincidentally under a "Blackjack" sign)
• I follow the path according to the map carrying the cashbox
• I place the cashbox on the floor of the vault where the "X" is located on the Masterplan Markup map
• I go up one floor using the zipline just outside the vault and start blasting with the KS until I'm sure there is nothing above the cashbox to keep a UFO from picking it up
• Then I wait...
• Then the UFOs show up, most of the time one or two nearby, and they start zig-zagging around, but not yet where I really need one

Btw, while I wait, I've been passing the time looking at the dust clouds directly above the vault. I think I see X's, or maybe 'chromosomes' form and dissolve in the clouds. Then I question my sanity. 😐
Again, thank you for reading so far.

[dull marsh]

Reminds me of me seeing 3-Headed Monkeys in puddles 😄

[dusk siren]

I'm also a bit worried that it requires being in a full 3-stack and potentially on the floor of the vault, and I say this because of this Souvenirs sign

For now, I'm just trying to see if I ever get the UFOs overhead, but I am trying to make peace with the possibility that the cashbox drops and I don't get an egg only because I'm in a private match with myself and my alt account 2-stacking...

I'm calling it for myself for the night after the tries I've done, but posted in case anyone thought, "What the heck? I'll try it a few times just in case I get lucky with a UFO."

[dusk siren]

I can't resist saying it. I want to... believe.

[surreal sinew]

We all want to believe was fun to read this

Hope it goes well

[dusk siren]

The Die Happy sign says "15X odds". If it takes ~15 tries, I'll probably make it and convince myself either way, On the other hand, a pair of dice has 36 combinations and I'm dreading the thought that the odds could be that long waiting to get a UFO or not.

[dusk siren]

A question for the EE hunt OG's
Is there a nice way to turn off the lights in the Glamora theater?
Shooting them seems to take forever. Blasting them destroys the whole roof
I feel like I scrolled past a post once about "turning off the lights" in Glamora

[silk wolf]

dont generators shut electricity off of an area for a bit?

[fresh quiver]

Wiki annoys again. In the timeline 12/03 is listed as launch date.
Don’t know where the time from the overview come from.

I checked another website too

[gloomy anvil]

NASA says it was December 4th 08:35am UTC, so it would've been December 3rd only in UTC-9 and later timezones. Where is that pic from?

[odd sequoia]

Yes

[gloomy anvil]

This has probably been mentioned before but I just realized Rob's .! makes 79 (ascii values 46 + 33).

That makes Rob's first message yO.! three instances of 79 (gold), not just the two from y and O.

That first message could in a way represent the three golden eggs at the center of the hunt?

or at least hint at gold + three

[unkempt dune]

quick refresher on y and O leading to gold?

[gloomy anvil]

dec and hex ascii values

[unkempt dune]

so it'd be:
y = 0x79 (hex) = Gold (atomic number)
O = 79 (decimal) = Gold (atomic number)
.! = 46 + 33 = 79 = Gold (atomic number)

[dusk siren]

There is one right outside the building in the alley... that would be perfect. Many thx for the idea 🙂 ❤️

Is this white circle next to this black "stump" in the cellar of the Kyoto building across from the "fox"-shaped stone at the corner of the Villa something that is already known?
The only way I've gotten it to appear (and it appears reliably) is when I shoot the "stump" with a KS.
I mean, even if it is known, I figured it's a clue that an "egg" is there or nearby.
I have some other theories related to actually revealing the "egg" in case anyone thinks this is promising.
Even without additional hypotheses, perhaps some people will want to spend a bit of time on it.
Sorry, as always, if this is well-trodden ground.

[hard current]

my guess is it's likely buried

due to the description of the bundle

[dusk siren]

Oh, three other things:

• I tried shooting the other 6(?) black stumps in the cellar and no white circle
• I also once got another bit of white stripe when I caused a different kind of damage near the stump (looked kind of like a crooked "S"?). Maybe one or both of these are artifacts that show up in other cellars, as well. Anyway, I'm gonna post the other white stripe if I managed to get a screenshot. The stripes "heal" just like the "stump" after having stopped shooting.

[dusk siren]

Yeah, my thought, too. There are other things in the item descriptions in the Kyoto BP that I think could be clues, as well.
I could catalog them but people can look for themselves.
Things like "certain things crack under the right pressure"
The fact you have to chop down the wooden post to get the stump made me think of the wood-carving level and even the Legacy Finders skin.
Actually it was ludonope's mention of "stumps" and all the wood-carving stuff in the Kyoto related skins that made me think to look at the black stumps in the first place.

Like I said, I have addiitonal theories, like the idea that you have to take down the Bell Tower mast (the symbolism could be something like "Bell" = AT&T and the mast, corresponding to the other one across the map, is like a cellular radio transmitter and receiver)
Similarly, the KS takes out the mast with one shot but other weapons either can't or take longer than my patience allowed.

One thought, because there is a reference to "pouncing" in the Kyoto BP, is that it could involve a heavy taking a jump pad from the top and charging 'n' slamming, but I tried it and think I got pretty close, but nothing happened.

Anyway, if people think it's interesting, probably only a team effort is going to solve it from here.

Separately, did people ever feel like they figured out or got somewhere with the graffiti in the Alley behind the Glamora where Death by Rhodent can be heard playing?

[hard current]

iirc there's a tie to Rhodium and Yttrium I think someone discovered and got eyed a long long time ago regarding how "Rhodent" is spelled

death by rhodium

[dusk siren]

I think I got something related to the "VR" graffiti. Can post a png of the logic if people think they have the patience for another one.

Basically, the idea is that it connects to the last level of the Las Vegas BP, and the item description for the Odilia bundle.

[hard current]

here @dusk siren

interestingly enough, yttrium and rhodium ended up having NOTHING to do with that level

the final answer was 0v0aurum - gold egg

side note I've been thinking @unborn pilot @gloomy anvil I think our miro is a little wrong

silk fibroin

silk road by sven hedin

these should ideally point to just silk and not necessarily silk road, yeah?

if we work off how the other clues are in other levels, they were both secondary clues to "silk" not "silk road" technically?

[dusk siren]

I think you could definitely be right about that... also SILK I, II, and III.... as if we might find three diffferent SILK's...

Ludonope mentioned "velvet" being usually made of silk the other day, which I mentioned possibly having something to do with the LV gold nama tama EE.
And I mentioned "corn silk", not that that was particularly well received.

[hard current]

for any senior ee hunters: just found a connection to the Byzantine Empire from silk xD

what a throwback

[hard current]

my interpretation was a little different, less 3 kinds of silk, and more 3 things in general, and silk is somehow related?

[dusk siren]

Definitely could be...

[hard current]

hehe I mean like we said, it's easy to find a connection anywhere, identifying what is likely and what is not is the hard part! it could be relevant, I PERSONALLY haven't seen much to point to it though 🙂

[dusk siren]

Here's the theory that the "VR" graffiti factors into if anyone wants to look at it.
Fits into a bigger idea, but a lot of this is already going to get eyes rolling.
Just look at the bottom third of the image for the graffiti thing.

Made sense to me, but lots of things do... lol

[dusk siren]

I can always hang my hat on the corn outfit... lmao

"Fragile Echo" (Kyoto BP)... "A poetic reminder that even the toughest opponents will crack under the right pressure."
Fragile Echo = "Fragile Egg O"? (a clue to help with a Kyoto Gold Nama Tama EE??)

The Fragile Echo sound is like a pane of glass breaking. 🤷

I mean its in the porcelain themed level, but I wouldn't say it sounds like porcelain... in case it's relevant

Thermal shock is one thing that can cause porcelain to break. I'm gonna try a flamethrower...

[onyx hollow]

this might be real surface level but after googling "12 flamingos theater", found a film called Pink Flamingos from 1972, & it has a character called The Egg Man played by Paul Swift, who looks like this:

lol idk what is connected to what anymore but thought that was peculiar. also where did the mystery man originate in our hunt? i forget

[severe creek]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1332285869574590515
this is where he's from

[onyx hollow]

upon further reading maybe don't look too far into the plot of that film yikes some real abject stuff, i almost want to delete the message, i just thought The Egg Man looked similar to the mystery man 😭

[hard current]

gross how many connections there are to venus throughout the entire hunt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vega_program - Vega
Galileo
Johannes Kepler
spectroscopy
Roman/Greek
Morning Star/Evening Star (Zorya/Zarya sisters)
In Chinese, the planet is called metal star or gold star
The venus mirror

[dusk siren]

If I shoot my KS while I circle around the stump, I get stripes.
When I put a cashbox on or near the stump while I do this, the stripes go through the cash box and glow.
Is there some "indestructible" item on Kyoto that could be used instead of a cashbox (other than the tree that used to be "indestructible"? Unless someone has recently found a new indestructible tree...??)?
Also, if anyone has any theories about the pattern the lines make... Some make an "X", but there seem to be multiple that do this.
Anyway, I'm not sure I'm going in again. Could be a 3-stack is required.
Also, it occurred to me that there are references to the recurve bow in the Kyoto BP and "piercing" things.
Perhaps the medium with the dual swords represents the chopping down the wooden pillar, the heavy with the KS the applying a certain pressure, and what is missing at that point is someone with a recurve bow to shoot and pierce whatever it is that contains what hopefully is a Gold Nama Tama.
Anyway, hopefully these images help see what I mean whether or not they are of interest.

I got others, but I don't think thay add anything new. The full pattern is almost impossible to maintain with one KS.

[charred ember]

[dusk siren]

Last thought before sleep time... TIC-TAC-TOE??
HEX can also mean OCTOTHORP (#)
This is also a symbol integral to traditional telephony
Bell Tower + Mast (yes, I know, Japanese temples from that era were topped with such masts, but in this context it also represents a modern wireless antenna)
AT&T + Cell Tower
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_sign#Hex

Let's just say, for the sake of argument, it is TIC-TAC-TOE (another game involving connection, btw... like Piet Hein's game HEX)

Any thoughts on how to "win"?
Most obvious is to put two more cashboxes in the grid to form 3 cubes in a row.

Possible that if you can 'beat' O's with "squares", you can finally destroy the "O" revealing an EE (i.e., hopefully egg)
Possible that if you can 'beat' O's with "squares", you can finally destroy the "stump" revealing an EE (i.e., hopefully egg)

I'm pretty sure this can be completed into a tic-tac-toe grid...

There's also one of those little VI's that repeat in the cellar wall textures around the map, except maybe this one means something.
The "VI" lines up with the center vertical row of the tic-tac-toe (#) board if you're facing the wall.
One interpretation is that the "V" is an arrow and the "I" is the line of cubes you are supposed to make.
Another interpretation, possibly equally valid, is that "VI" is a clue in reference to "HEX" = 6
In that case, we get the double meaning:
HEX = a game based on connection (connecting two sides of the board)
HEX = a telephony symbol, which should be about connection (telephone connections)

[surreal sinew]

Crack under pressure makes me think thermobaric explosions or charge and slam for the slam creating pressure

[surreal sinew]

Egg man ester egg tfee

[surreal sinew]

Reminds me of the pink lines in the atrium on horizon

[surreal sinew]

Wait look att that it kinda looks line E4 maybe seems to pronounced to be random maybe take a look att that check the other stones see if they have different numbers

[white patrol]

looks like grass poking out

[surreal sinew]

Ah that’s probably it my phone quality shit so I can’t tell but I still think it’s worth checking the other spots

But feels like to easy and explaintion why would it look just like that

[fading vigil]

Iirc, we talked about xray here.. there is xray spectrometry of stones…
Also, TDK company has logo like Alfa acts + shapeshifting cns thing

[dull marsh]

ok so

I'm looking at the coordinates trying to get the simplest answer possible

I stumbled onto something quite sus, tho I suspect it might actually be a coincidence 🥲

Basically so far the most central element within Level 3 is the Sun:

• Ra
• Mexican Sun Stone
• 1 night 3 daws
• 19, 11, 27
• King Arthur
• Thermal blanket
• ...

So if we go to the VERY simplest, MW.Area would simply mean MegaWatts for the area provided

I've tried multiple numbers I found

One of them is 1361MW of solar power available in space

72.58514 * 64.0263 * 1361 = 6325054.169

When searching 6325054 I find an EA forum which is an answer to this message (replaced the image, see below)

Unfortunately using the same method with the other numbers I can't find anything, so there is a chance it's actually random, but I mean... 😄

Using a different image for the full message

(as for why it's sus, both having BF4 and the very Rob-coded .? and .! punctuation... 🤔 )

Also following this idea of MW of solar power for an area, it goes pretty well with the idea of the tilt of the earth which would connect well with ∅ and the idea of "aphelion"

[dusk siren]

1. Monaco: Cathedral
   Duck and Cover ---> Kneel and Pray (Holtow Pearly Gates Insurance coverage)
   “Hear No Evil” Gold Nama Tama found in a church
   Lost Legacy Map X = Christian cross
   I_WANT_TO_BELIEVE... in a god

2. Las Vegas: Vault + Theater (2 parts or 2 separate??)
   Sandstorm ---> storm of popcorn kernels + storms of photons in both the microwave and visible parts of the EM spectrum
   “See No Evil” Gold Nama Tama found in a vault??? (Aliens pick up a cashbox, microwave it, and drop it)
   “Microwaved popcorn and a movie”
   Masterplan Markup Map X = X-Files (1998) movie
   I_WANT_TO_BELIEVE... in science and/or science-fiction
   X-Files (1998) movie + STS-88 (outer space and Steal the Spotlight LTM)

3. Kyoto: “Foxhole” underground ("dig deeper")
   Any variant??
   “Hear No Evil” Gold Nama Tama found in the cellar of the building beneath the Bell Tower???
   Tic-Tac-Toe???
   Vertical line of X’s in the center of a telephone keypad: 258 ---> BLV
   Lost Legacy Map X = the X's in Tic-Tac-Toe
   I_WANT_TO_BELIEVE... in the power of games

Any believers yet?

TIC-TAC-TOE
X's and O's
From Embark (Rob) with love
CNS is here to change the game
WarGames (1983) movie (great, great movie on the off-chance you haven't seen it)
phone phreaks and underground hackers ("beneath the Bell Tower")
"Stop fighting wars... Start playing games"

[white patrol]

I feel like Euclid looks like the mysterious man but I haven't found any close resemblance portrait of his :c

[dull marsh]

I'm a bit split, some ideas are good, some seem like a stretch, not sure where it's going 🤔

[gloomy anvil]

I kind of wonder if Rock & Roll > Rock > Heavy Metal > Heavy elements (metals) > Gold

[dusk siren]

A few things:

• Rob sais Level 3 was going to be a whole different thing (or something to that effect)
• The earlier levels began before the game was launched, now that it has been launched the clues are bound to be more in-game focused (I don't see a lot of in-game focus, lately, in what people are looking at... feels like people are still mostly looking for clues the way it was done before the game had really been completed and released... through Season 3 and Kyoto)
• Rob said Level 3 was going to be all about the Gold Nama Tamas
• Something like the above (and I can tick off all the ways they connect to the I_WANT_TO... image) would give us 3 themes for 3 rows or columns of the 9 passwords for Level 3

[dull marsh]

probably one of the connections yeah considering how Metal Rob is

[dusk siren]

Anyway... The idea would not be the end of Level 3, just part of the beginning

For instance, some idea of what the Level 3 landing page is all about
With everything yet to fill in

Anyway... if the Gold Nama Tamas are going to mean anything, what kind of things could they mean if not something thematic for the hunt?
Like the Monaco Nama Tama

For the sake of argument, if I could find Gold Nama Tamas for Vegas and Kyoto the way I described, what else would be different as far as impact goes from what I speculated above? What more would Nama Tamas be telling us at this stage of the hunt?

So, I'm gonna keep working on the Las Vegas and Kyoto Nama Tamas, but I expect the only things those could tell us are themes, in this case, corresponding to ways to complete I_Want_To_... and possibly some ways to interpret "MW.Area" 1, 2, and 3.

[gloomy anvil]

Something I wondered is if the Nama Tamas follow similar rules to the activation EEs.

1. The white rabbits could be seen normally, just by being close, no special rules. That might correspond to the Monaco Nama.
2. The dolphins required players standing on all tiles at once. Kind of reminds me of the black circles on Las Vegas?
3. The monkeys required turning around. Not sure how that could apply to the Kyoto Nama.

[dusk siren]

Nice... I didn't have any concrete ideas, so it's good to hear some. Especially because I was sort of feeling like/worrying that they could get progressively more difficult to trigger at least in terms of number of players required. And that could be the case. Maybe it was just a blessing that a single player could do the Monaco one on their own with just a sledgehammer. 🤷

Speaking of the black circles, I'm guessing this was considered (and sorry if I posted the idea already in the course of my ramblings), but a large central circle and 10 black circles around it might be 10Ne = NEON... Las Vegas known for its NEON lights and NEON an anagram of NONE...
If there's anything to that, it may or may not give any clue on how to use the black circles to trigger an EE.

Incidentally, I know many (most?) of you think I'm a little crazy, but I really want to recommend going back through old trailers.

Can it hurt?

For instance, a frame from the S5 trailer shows a neon skin in just the kinda place where there might be a connection

Even more to the point for Las Vegas, these frames are back to back at the end of the S1 trailer.
The UFOs are basically right above the Masterplan Markup map Vault
The Glamora Theater is where I think an Odilia + Steal the Spotlight + dance among the shadows EE might be triggered, as well

As always 🤷

[dusk siren]

"3. The monkeys required turning around. Not sure how that could apply to the Kyoto Nama."
Just for the sake of argument these would be two connections:

• In the Kitsune folklore, one thing a Kitsune supposedly does is circle around a tree 3 times in order to shape-shift. This was actually why I started circling around the black stump (black and stumpy like the black knight?) in the cellar of that building beneath the Bell Tower while shooting the black stump with my KS, and it was only then that the lines, which I think make a tic-tac-toe grid, were revealed.
• It was the Kitsune shaped stone (which has changed shape since a previous season) that pointed directly to the cellar door of the building in which I found the black stump that could be shot to reveal the white circle and grid lines.

[white patrol]

IIRC rob did circle thing twice, one in las vegas, one in fortune stadium, both from waterdance stream

[dusk siren]

Not exactly a "turning around," though, Raid

[dusk siren]

"2. The dolphins required players standing on all tiles at once. Kind of reminds me of the black circles on Las Vegas?"
Maybe not the black circles or maybe in addition to the black circles:
The "Odilia + Steal the Spotlight + dance among the shadows" EE I keep speculating about and referring to is reminiscent of the Shakespeare quote from Act II Scene IV of As You Like It:
"All the world's a stage / And all the men and women merely players."
Possible we need lots of players to be on the stage at once as a "Shadow Flock" as part of triggering an EE (see the Las Vegas BP for the "Shadow Flock" reference)
12 gold flamingos on the balcony watching the play, 12 players in a cashout match on the stage
Maybe knocking out the generator out back would dim the lights for the show
Maybe everyone is expected to emote on the stage simultaneously
Spitballing here...
Honestly, Raid, I would never have considered any of these ideas if you hadn't brought them back up.
I really, really like how it would connect stuff from the first part of the hunt with stuff we might yet find.
Would not make sense for everything you guys have seen so far to not still be relevant somehow.

[dusk siren]

I've harped enough now, but I thought these were pretty good as far as potential Practice Range Roses EE clues go (especially when we haven't had new ones in a good long while), but it required watching the S5 trailer again.

The posts each got one courtesy reaction (thx, @odd sequoia ) 🥹 ❤️

[odd sequoia]

They’re not courtesy, I truly believe in you! Genuinely. Just like I’ve said, I’m hands on not brains on lol. So while I never have much to add, I’m always down to test anything you need!

[dusk siren]

Thx, buddy. I don't need others to "believe in me", just to look at stuff with an open mind. I take people at their word that they are, and that's why I do appreciate reactions... whether they are positive or negative, it helps.

[odd sequoia]

Understood

[dusk siren]

While I might have people looking at the S5 trailer, the shots right before the red-themed image above of, which itself is right before the scene where the nama tama inside the cashbox is irradiated with x-rays and undergoes rapid cell-division until the cashbox pops like popcorn, are as follows:

• An old VHS-style rewinding, that goes back in time in the history of the game from the S5 Bernal map through the maps from S4, S3, S2, and S1, and begins with all the old-fashioned Mexico-themed cosmetics in the Bernal BP, but also forward in time to the future in which THE FINALS game show, replete with DISSUN sponsoring and painting over Monaco. The second half of the trailer back in Bernal now features all the modern Mexican and sponsor-themed skins and new weapons in Bernal S5. These, I'm pretty sure, are Back to the Future I, II, and III references.
• The electrical storm that opens up the time travel portal the vault drops out of is exactly like the effect when the Delorean in Back to the Future I, II, and III travels through time.
• And I still think (sorry) that Marty McFly's alias being "Clint Eastwood" in Back to the Future III is a Las Vegas Eastwood Casino reference, even if you don't believe in the 'Doc' Brown connection to Robert Brown 🙂

[zealous magnet]

Hey are any of you aware of what this marking means by any chance?

[granite canopy]

hey this is might actually be huge the more i think about it

[dusk siren]

I honestly wouldn't have had the full idea without @gloomy anvil 's post. That's why I'm half-selfishly trying to get more people to take a look back at more in-game stuff, especially if and when we lose momentum with the out-of-game clues. ❤️ 🙂

[granite canopy]

because a relation to theater connects a LOT of random dots in the roses EE in a logical way

got a link i cant find it

[dusk siren]

Hadn't thought of how roses get thrown on the stage after a performance if that is one of the things you are getting at.

[granite canopy]

amongst other stuff, yes

ANOTHER crazy correlation that i think has some merit is the insistence on saltwater - which is really confusing when associated with "growing" a rose

cuz saltwater = not good

but think of like how people would be moved to tears while watching theater

and tears are well, salty

i definitely think emoting (no specific emote as rob said) is a key to this

also i keep remembering that rob mentioned that this is doable solo, but virtually impossible?

i wonder if he meant it as a "it requires multiple people doing specific stuff" or "multiple people will make it easier to trigger"

[dusk siren]

I don't know about the marking (maybe somebody else has an intuition), but as long as we're permitting trying to make connections to theories that aren't yet firmly established:

• The WHIRL in WHIRLFORGE could match @gloomy anvil 's idea about "turning around" (e.g., "whirling around")
• The FORGE in WHIRLFORGE could match the hints in the Kyoto BP about cracking things under "the right pressure"
  So, among other things, it could be one more thing hinting at and possibly helping with the posited Gold Nama Tama on Kyoto.

[dusk siren]

Hmm... he also said "there are roses on every map".
Maybe a Glamora theater EE is how the roses on Las Vegas are unlocked. 😮 🤔

Personally, I think the PR roses EE was always a solo one.
I both like and hate the idea that we'd need all 12 players to unlock the Las Vegas theater EE.
If, for the sake of argument, the Las Vegas theater EE could also be unlocked solo, but that it's "virtually impossible," one reason I could imagine is if you can indeed dim the lights by knocking out the generator in the alley behind the theater, then running from the generator to the stage in time to emote before the lights come back on, could be the "virtually impossible" part.
Using a heavy and C4 might be one thing worth trying.
It would be nice if the ingredients were relatively simple. I think the 12 gold flamingos on the balcony, "craning their necks to see", feels right given the 12 Art Deco sun rays that reach the top of the balcony. Maybe a solo heavy could do the rest: trigger a C4 on the generator and emote on stage?
The kind of thing I should just try instead of suggest, though... 🥹

[granite canopy]

i really do think more experimentation should be done with emoting in various situations, maybe even being eliminated by specific things during an emote

as far as the vegas connections go, i don't have much to add cuz im mostly a roses diehard

[dusk siren]

I had one other random theater connection while thinking about and working on ideas like this. All the big cases on the stage are like the scenary for a play... maybe as if we should actually put on a play on the stage.

[granite canopy]

inb4 its virtually impossible to do as a solo because you need two people to set up a private match

[dusk siren]

I guess in theory, a solo could just follow those steps in a regular match, but honestly, I don't think that's ever the best way to attempt this sort of thing 😅

[granite canopy]

sounds like a nightmare

[dusk siren]

Run off, set up 12 gold flamingos and have the cashout spawn on the catwalk behind the stage... lol

[granite canopy]

is the glamora theater the only theater on las vegas?

[dusk siren]

There's the Lapis Grandstand, but I think the Glamora theater is the only one.

[granite canopy]

we do have connections to argon and there is/used to be an argon place on las vegas

[low escarp]

#easter-eggs message
#1201288968562552863 message
#1203859365610922036 message

its probably one of the hardest and at the same time easiest EE to find
it needs to be triggered it need to be triggered by multiple ppl
its very intuitive but its...
i think rob has been pretty clear that its not doable solo
maybe the practice range part is solo but the whole EE wont be

[granite canopy]

oh finally someone found a link to that thank u

someone up for some bumbling around vegas later today?

[low escarp]

its all in the pins on the roses thread

[dusk siren]

Also, these two images are both about the Glamora and I think the "Shadow Flock" hints. So, I think that's another reason the Glamora Theater makes sense, even if there are others on the map

"maybe the practice range part is solo but the whole EE wont be" @low escarp
it's extremely discouraging to think that the PR roses EE part can be done solo, but that nothing will happen unless, e.g., players on other servers are doing the other roses EE parts on other maps (e.g., a Las Vegas roses EE) at the same time.
I could see it, but then, I don't see how Rob really expects it to ever be done.

Well, maybe we just need to start collecting the other "roses" EE's for other maps, then.

I guess it's not too crazy.

For the sake of argument, let's say 2 people could trigger the LV roses EE doing something like the thing suggested above.
Maybe 2 people could trigger one on Monaco, say, and 2 people on Skyway, etc., while all the servers are running simultaneously.

[fading vigil]

Do anybody noticed that new cannons on Monaco has “interesting” sound?

[dusk siren]

Maybe I shouldn't be too discouraged... yet (sorry)

[low escarp]

i dont think its about things happening on diff maps at the same time but more like if all things on each map have been done the EE will be done i guess
maybe when we did it on every map something happens in the prange
or doing something in the prange is step 1 and then we go the the "next" map or somehting like that

[dusk siren]

I think it would be anachronistic, but since we're on the subject, the "War of the Roses" just popped into my head

I could think of worse ideas for a potential Monaco roses EE... the cannons have to be used for something, right? 🙂

[dusk siren]

Ah... now I like that idea. ❤️ 🙂

So as you complete roses EEs on the main maps, you are preparing the roses to finally bloom in the PR... ??

Maybe??

Sorry if this was already everyone elses assumption

I'm trying to catch up 🙂

[granite canopy]

there is no real "true answer/assumption" in this

[fading vigil]

And why canons are now can be moveable?
Maybe, before we should make a correct jumpad alignments to hit something with cannon, and now it’s made a bit easier (just move cannons and shoot)

[granite canopy]

we all are just random ppl spitballing and seeing what sticks

[zealous magnet]

I've just checked, you can see it on almost every skin from the bundle but the minigun is showcasing that "scratch" the best. It could be just some random pattern scar tbh but it feels intentional to me idk

[dusk siren]

I appreciate you drawing attention to it. I'm sure everyone does. 🙂 ❤️

[gloomy anvil]

Moving some more things Atsu and I mentioned out of #1282815551944659104

S

• 19th letter
• Dec: 83 - 83 seconds in 1m 23s (01:23) #1282815551944659104 message
• Oct: 123
• Hex: 53 - May 3? (123rd day)

5 - representation of S

• Dec: 53 - May 3?
• Hex: 35 - May 3?

V - representation of 5 & S

• Maritime signal flag: Red Cross / X

[gloomy anvil]

I think Rob walking around in a circle on fortune was about the bigfoot bundle. I don't recall when he did it on vegas though.

[white patrol]

ohhh right, vegas was him turing around I think?

[surreal sinew]

Aren’t we all a little crazy we are still hunting so that’s bound to make most of us a little crazy

[gloomy anvil]

honestly can't remember, unless it was the "it's in your face" thing

[white patrol]

me either :c

[surreal sinew]

@dusk siren i second this

[dusk siren]

Okay, okay, okay...
Roses, "turning around", going in circles (no pun intended)...
As long as we're theorycrafting on Roses EEs (just to get started in a direction), I think I have a good one for a potential Monaco Roses EE that would connect many things and hopefully people will be able to immediately think of more.

• Monaco 2014 suggests the 2014 Monaco Grand Prix
• The Finals Beta Trailer featured a car driving on the streets of Monaco
• Auto races are conducted around a circuit, where people drive around and around (some say, in circles, you could say "turning around")
• Winners of auto races also have roses thrown at them or receive wreaths of flowers
• Firing a cannon could be a signal to start a race
• Children play the game "Ring a Ring o' Roses" (you ring the winning driver with a ring of roses)
  If anyone likes this idea so far, any ideas on what "the race" might be? 🙂

[surreal sinew]

Shouldn’t u put rose stuff in the rose channel

[dusk siren]

Good question and thanks for raising it.
Well, there's the "Practice Range Roses EE"... I think we'd have to agree that all "rose"-related EEs go there. I'm happy to oblige going forward if that's what people think we should do.

I could argue both sides of that. They should all be related, as @low escarp just pointed out, so could all be lumped in as the "Practice Range Roses EE".
Alternatively, if we end up trying to figure out a "roses" EE for Las Vegas, and one for Monaco, and one for Skyway, etc., does that make it hard to following the clues and hypotheses for any individual one if:

• Their mechanics are entirely independent (i.e., figuring out a "roses" EE for a map does not help figure out specifically what to do in the practice range for that part of the EE) and
• We end up with too many different conversations happening at once.
  I'd prefer to defer to the senior people here, if anyone cares to issue a verdict

[surreal sinew]

I just mean forward them so the rose hunters also see it

[dusk siren]

Re: a Monaco race??
I've always wondered about these arch things. Usually when I ask, it turns out that they are just an actual architectural feature from the place in the real world.
A few things about this scene:

• You also see a speed limit sign right there
• Any potential Back to the Future reference associated with the electrical storm is also a reference to a car (the Delorean)
• The tree in the center of the 3 barriers already has the deep-red rose-colored flowers on it.
  Just saying those, too, could line up. Not that this would get us closer to ideas for what a "race" might be.

[dusk siren]

Oh, sure! No prob! 🙂 ❤️

[odd sequoia]

Have you had a chance to see BhabiePink’s post from yesterday?

[dusk siren]

gonna check it

lol, which one, they had so many good ones 🙂

[odd sequoia]

Tagged you in it

[surreal sinew]

So true pinky cooked

[dusk siren]

I did forward them, but I guess I'd still have the same question?
Are the posts I forwarded with pretty speculative theories about Las Vegas and Monaco "roses" EEs going to clutter the "Practice Range Roses EE" thread for people who just want to focus on the clues restricted to the practice range.
I guess, until someone objects, I'll forward anything or simply post in the "Practice Range Roses" thread until someone notices that it isn't working well and objects.

[odd sequoia]

Firing the cannons possibly? We also know there’s something up with those little sheds. No idea what though

[hard current]

I have been playing around with an idea that 0123 could signal

Sun - mercury - Venus - earth

Still very much a work in progress… will let yall know if I find anything

[surreal sinew]

Probably not any rose things probably have some link to the prange roses

[surreal sinew]

W

[granite canopy]

hey can anyone remind me which casino got taken over by ospuze in the vegas rework?

[dusk siren]

Took me a sec to track down the video of the car on Monaco. Probably logical that it would be driving in that spot on the map, so not ready to say, oooo, it means something but it's there going under the arches next to the speed limit sign ("30"... 3 O's?... a nice touch?)

https://x.com/EmbarkStudios/status/1457998271641686023

Embark Studios (@EmbarkStudios)

Embark is celebrating 3 years! So what have we accomplished? We’ve grown to more than 250 game makers, we’ve got big plans for the future, and a few projects we are just itching to share. To celebrate, we thought we’d share a glimpse of *another* unannounced game in the works. 🎂

X · Nov 9, 2021, 9:07 AM

It's also a chase scene, so vaguely "auto race" related.

Lol... moped's license plate is "007"... speaking of 007, in my looking into Clint Eastwood as part of the Las Vegas Nama Tama theory, I found out that Clint Eastwood (along with Adam West and Burt Reynolds, aka Bandit in Smokey and the Bandit) were all offered the role of James Bond at one point. Bond an Eastwood and Casino reference, then?

I'm not sure we ever fully exhausted the "007" clues, in case anyone ever notices anything new even tangentially related to that.

I thought maybe the "7" in the center of the rings in the burrw gif could be one possibly so I'm curious what I missed about James Bond or "007" back in the day

[severe creek]

i immediately think golden eye with 007 which also makes me think of the eye of Ra/Horus

[dusk siren]

A few things I just noticed playing around in the Glamora Theater:

• There are two spotlights that cross (like an X?!?!?!) and face out from the stage (which makes zero sense for a theater stage)
• The theme of the LTM was "steal the spotlight" (as if from the actors)
• The battle pass item description says "become an honorary member of the shadow flock". This could suggest a couple things:
  • You join the gold flamingos as a member of their flock
  • You become a shadow flock because the spotlights are now on you and the flamingos up in the balcony, and now we're casting the shadows not the actors on stage
• There are 2 chairs on each end of the balcony, as if reserved for people, not flamingos, and a gap between them that can (almost?) fit 12 flamingos.
• Also, there are more than 12 rays emanating from the "3 dawns" symbol on the front of the balcony, in addition to the 12 that could correspond to the flamingos. These additional rays could represent the people who join the flamingos on either side of them.
• All the lights in the and around the theater CAN be shot out, while messing with or destroying the generators and electrical boxes outside the building don't seem to do anything.
• When I tried shooting the curtains around the stage, they shredded and turned into something that looked like rusty brown leaves, which made me think of roses, but definitely not roses (maybe the opposite of roses).
• The other weird thing, and I'd need to confirm it, is that after I shot the curtains, the next time I looked, the spotlights were suddenly gone (I'm 99% sure I didn't shoot the spotlights before I shot the curtains)
  Thought you might like to hear a different take on the "emoting on stage" idea. I'm thinking it's even possible that it's up in the balcony that we are meant to emote.

People can reach their own interpretations, but it kind of fits into a CNS-type of idea of belonging to the masses and the resistance (the people who "stick their necks out" like the flamingos, with the gold flamingos, whose flock we are joining, being the ones who lay the golden eggs... the 3 dawns, OOO, like in the symbol on the front of the balcony??). Like the lore mentions in several ways, we may be trying to turn the attention from the actors on the big stage (the likes of Odilia and the Sponsors) to ourselves and everyone else.
Hence, "Steal the Spotlight."
It makes sense (to me), but I still can't quite imagine the exact mechanic. Gonna keep goofing around probably.
I hope anyone willing to explore the idea will share any other ideas on what mechanics might make sense for such an EE (if it even exists... I think it does).

* A quick final note: some of the details suggest that you might need 4 people at least, corresponding to the 4 chairs up in the balcony. I hope not, but it's a possibility.

[dusk siren]

Sry, one more detail in case others haven't noticed it. There's a microphone at the front of the stage facing out. That makes zero sense in a theater, as well.
If you break the microphone the spotlights are destroyed with it. (I was thinking, maybe I need to clear the stage of everything, except for the spotlights forming an X)
What this could mean:

• Instead of emoting, maybe we need to do is make a sound expression while standing at the microphone, as if speaking to the "shadow flock" in the balcony.
  I'm just trying not to get stuck to one idea (e.g., "emoting" only) when the answer could be just adjacent (e.g., sound expression only or a combination of sound expression plus emoting at the microphone) 🤷 ❤️

Not necessarily this specific combo, but a combination like this??

[dusk siren]

Rock music is one thing that I can't really connect to the Eastwood Casino / Masterplan Markup Map EE. 🤔
You can hear Death by Rhodent through the back wall of the Glamora Theater. 🤔🤔

Mmm... I'm a sucker for the themes.
How about "steal the spotlight" from the little ballerina Odilia by replacing a hoity-toity performance with some Heavy Metal.
Now the large cases on the stage could hold scenary or a rock band's gear.
Have no clue if it's right, but happy that there might be a good Heavy Metal connection... (thx again @gloomy anvil )

[dusk siren]

Las Vegas Glamora question for the old-timers:
Did anyone ever figure out a way to turn the jazz music off in and around the theater.
I keep shooting all the speakers and even knocking out whole parts of the building, but the jazz keeps playing...
I can tell it is competing with the Death by Rhodent music when I stand on the stage.
Any info or ideas would help.

[hasty anvil]

That makes me think golden ‘i’, saying it’s a golden clue (golden egg) and matches a lot of robs lowercase ‘i’ clues

[severe creek]

hmmm could maybe be one of the letters on Vegas that Rob talked about?

[dusk siren]

At least two other sets of spotlights on Las Vegas that can be "stolen":

• Lapis Grndstand
• Center circle (has an "X" in the middle)
  I kind of like the center circle idea, actually. In fact, I think the Souvenirs kiosk sign could be interpreted two ways, maybe both valid.
• An egg falling from the sky
• A spotlight shifting from "the person at the top" to the players down below (perhaps surrounded by flamingos... why? you tell me)
  Just didn't want people thinking I'd overly narrowed the search. Maybe the Glamora Theater is just symbolic, and maybe not the one we need to steal... I'm finding it a bit difficult to hear even Death by Rhodent through the incessant jazz music from the nearby Glamora lounge, and maybe that's the point.
  Anyway, we'll disagree on whether a potential clue is too ambiguous or not, but I feel like some of these things are more unambiguous than others will (e.g., that there's an EE where we metaphorically "steal the spotlight", presumably from the gameshow and the sponsors).
  Is that the kind of thing Rob would do? (Is it counterproductive to ask what kind of thing Rob would do?... maybe)

[dusk siren]

I wonder if that was mentioned when Goldeneye first came up, because it's really nice. And to go looking for literal "golden i's" like @severe creek suggested... I hope someone else can make a further connection. ❤️

[severe creek]

if i get a chance when im off work, ill check out vegas again for any i's! could be in Zaraby if it does have the Egyptian connection

[gloomy anvil]

Thinking about 19 = Sun, 19 / 3, and three dawns leads to the idea of the Sun itself split or duplicated into three.

As has been discussed before, a Sun Dog is a phenomenon in which the Sun can be flanked on both sides by refractions of its light, appearing almost as three separate suns. Hexagonal ice crystals are the cause of this. Ice crystals were a focus in T1E. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog

Again, as has been discussed before, "The Sundog Painting" is one of the oldest known depictions of a halo display, including a pair of sun dogs, and happens to also be possibly the oldest known depiction of Stockholm in color.

William Edward Parry once drew a pair of sun dogs, among other things (including a Parry arc), while on an Arctic expedition to the Northwest Passage. We have level 3 clues about "Parry" and the Northwest Passage which have been highlighted before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parry_arc

Mostly just rehashing old ideas but in the context of 19 / 3 and the Sun at the core of level 3.

[hasty anvil]

It's been 2 years and this still haunts me

https://discordapp.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1011929497139953744/1078038083682963516

This was a missed clue during 0vif0rm (he also explains some other missed clues, interesting for things we might miss now)

Fiducial markers wiki page is interesting, direct image of the golden ratio:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiducial_marker

[hasty anvil]

Have you guys gone through S9 keyart?

[gloomy anvil]

I did, briefly. could've missed something.

[hasty anvil]

I'm terrible with image manipulation, did spot this in the bottom right, would it mean anything?

Ahh nvm don't think so

[gloomy anvil]

The coordinates are the most annoying thing. Anytime I get hopeful about level 3 I remember we don't understand them yet.

[fading vigil]

was looking through the s3 bp rewards and i see that s9 bp rewards has A LOT in common: porcelain theme, koi theme, flying lanterns, snakes\dragons.
In S3 BP, I tried to analyze what BP can give us as a "clue" (since i think its one of the most obvious places to make hints).
SO the BP is repeats in koi fish, bloom of plants (sakura\bamboo) and dragons.. Just for more digging, but i`ll try to dive deeper in old BP. (like damascus steel blade, or dual blades with text "mark the spot of the fight" and blades form an X (X Marks the spot), dragon pet and "small pond" , etc)

[dull marsh]

My current thinking is that 1 2 3 refers to some trilogy, or a triptych, directly related to the sun and maybe to King Arthur or smth like that 🤔

[fresh quiver]

someone should visit one of the coordinate spots even when its the mirrored ones.
Afterwards we can atleast tell rob we were at one of the coordinates and found nothing. If these coordinates were decoded or it was something else rob might feel bad for us

[dull marsh]

Omw to the Kara sea!! ⛵

[fresh quiver]

someone has access to a yacht for the sea?
TFEE roadtrip

i might take a look at coordinates. give me a sec

[hasty anvil]

The earliest confirmed 123 solve was Alice in wonderland right?

[fresh quiver]

1:23

which lead us to AiW. yes

I think it was
1 = A
: = i
23 = W

right?

[gloomy anvil]

You know I genuinely think it's possible that our 'King' clues and references, even the very strong ones, could primarily point at Crown > Solar Crown (Helios, Sol) > Sun.

We've had similar. Like in T3, Minerva had potential for a wealth of connections, but Rob said it was for owls > 0v0.

[fresh quiver]

Should we might try to figure out which type of clue 1:23 was.
AiW is that a quinary, quaternary, tertiary, secondary or primary clue?

Did we ever mentioned this again?
#easter-eggs message

[hasty anvil]

I would guess tertiary and it has a further link in the stories

[gloomy anvil]

this was considered a burrw clue

[fresh quiver]

yes, but what if. just theoratically

[hasty anvil]

Burrw could be aiw connected as well

There was a lot of level 3 clues in level 2 I think

[fresh quiver]

so just a far throw for this one.

Trigant Burrow

He was director of the American Psychoanalytic Association. Founded in 1911
He initially studied at the Fordham University. which is in New York
He also worked in New York
Studied also at the University of Virginia. which contains the Academical Village of Thomas Jeffersion. a UNESCO World Heritage Site

[gloomy anvil]

Could be. I'm sure Rob had lots of other "Burrow" people to pick from but chose this person.

where does UNESCO come in?

[fresh quiver]

I bet i misremember that we had world heritage sometimes back in the days somewhere

[gloomy anvil]

Can I say something quickly that might sound crazy.

Anatomy of a Nama Tama:

• Yolk: The Sun (Gold)
• Shell: Represented by the elliptical orbits of planets

[white patrol]

the password in level 3 is 3x3 which makes one pw in the center and eight pw circle around 🤔

might connect if we count https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Nine

but meh imo (pw relation part)

[dusk siren]

Some images related to what I believe is just one part of a much more elaborate Kyoto Golden Nama Tama EE.
I still think it's something like TIC-TAC-TOE, with X's and O's, but there seem to be a few extra lines, and knowing Rob it's a puzzle more than a simple game.
Given their shapes and that they're unique movable props, I'm guessing the archery targets (O's) and "cutting sticks" (X's) are part of the EE, although I'm not convinced that they necessarily belong near this quasi-TIC-TAC-TOE board.
Feeling like this is very early in this part of the EE, so maybe someone in tune with the bigger picture and all the clues to date have some ideas on where to look or what to think about next.

Some images of the targets and cutting sticks area, some of their original positions, just to get an idea, and some with them all lined up so you can see the 3 targets and 5 cutting sticks I was able to find (pretty sure I remember people saying that is an exhaustive list). I bet most of you already know this area of Kyoto better than I do, though.

Separately, maybe this is something people have already done, but I did manage to get a cashbox in the Cashier's Cage Vault (the Masterplan Markup map X) to rise up out of the building during an Alien Invasion. The reason I'm so far away is that the Alien Invasion was never getting close enough when I was hanging around near the Vault, so I thought maybe if I stand in the center circle since it also has an "X," and the very first time, I got this. Unfortunately, it might have been luck. I messed around for another 4 or 5 rounds and it only happened one more time.
Just like with the Kyoto EE, I think this is just one part of a much more elaborate Las Vegas Golden Nama Tama EE.
Feeling like this is very early in this part of the EE, so maybe someone in tune with the bigger picture and all the clues to date have some ideas on where to look or what to think about next. (Like with Kyoto, I have theories, but I'll save them when we can all compare notes and share different ideas and perspectives.)
Just a reminder that I think this sign on the Souvenirs kiosk has a bunch of clues in it, but that can wait as well and people might have novel ideas and insights on interpreting the sign, as well.

[white patrol]

There's an Egg Island in new york 😭

40.61986394369282, -73.51183985050714

[dusk siren]

Lol... you guys will like this, I think
it's not tic-tac-toe... it's a sega saturn controller... (think burrw gif clue)
Japanese console connection for a Japanese map works, too.
I'm planning on trying something myself if I can get someone to help me, but anyone else is free to give it a go (I'll spare you all the theorizing). The idea for an EE trigger is this:

• One player goes around and around the black stump facing out from the cellar as if the "VI" is the Saturn console and you're looking out at a screen (I don't know if it's clockwise or counterclockwise or if it matters; I considered the whole "up down left right" idea but the circle makes sense for more reasons: e.g., the kitsune myth and the old Bell rotary telephone, where one person dials and the other hangs up)
• The other player either hops or crouches up and down on the stone that represents the controller button (the one with the white circle around it, which you can see when you shoot the black stump with the KS).
  And hopefully that's it. Hopefully the hopping or crouching on the stone (probably hopping) is enough to crack open the stone or trigger the EE to appear somewhere nearby.
  Of course, it could be much more complicated, but that might still be the correct start. Maybe we have to actually play a game with the "controller" based on what we can see from that vantage point. That would be wild. Anyway, try the "circle and hopping" thing if you want. Probably doesn't matter if it's not a high priority for anyone, because I'll get around to testing it eventually. ❤️

The Sega Saturn controller idea makes a bit more sense when you can see more of the outline of the direction pad, imho. Maybe it still is a "HEX" = OCTOTHORP = BELL TELEPHONE hint... and maybe it's even a (HEX = game) + (grid with a circle) = tic-tac-toe clue, but the shape and the simple "VI" makes Sega Saturn a decent fit, I think.

Since you can see the archery target and 'cutting stick' I dragged all the way over there, I'm just assuming, if tic-tac-toe is out the window, that they're involved in a different EE (because they're X's and O's, I think it could be the Kyoto roses EE)

It's a bit long to explain, but I think the F1 roses wreath = Monaco Roses EE Race is bad, and thought people might like to know since I brought it up originally. Similarly, I think @dull marsh was right to be skeptical about my version of the "I_Want_To_..." theory. It needs to be expanded slightly and that led me to a thought about the Monaco Nama Tama.
As with a potential Sega Saturn connection, games are recurring as a theme (not a real original theory). It made me think about the hidden Monaco Nama Tama and possibly a game. "Hide and Seek"? "Ring a Ring o' Roses"? Both a decent match ( I fully expect that these connections were made by you guys almost immediately at the time).
It got me thinking about a possible cannon-related Monaco roses EE and also @gloomy anvil talking about "turning around" or maybe going in circles and I thought "Ring a Ring o' Roses" would fit really well (again, quite possibly not a new theory for you guys).
Maybe the added element is bringing the cannon in if it hasn' tbeen considered. Would still need to figure out if it matters which cannon and where on the map, but the logic feels not too simple and not too complicated, and follows what is probably also a theme of "going around" (certainly aligns well with the overarching "O" theme).
The idea:

• One player goes around a cannon a certain number of times (3 seems magic?) as if saying the children's rhyme and
• when they are in front of the cannon after some number of revolutions, it's like getting to the metaphorical "we all fall down" part, and the other person pulls the trigger of the cannon just when it's pointed at the person playing the game.
  That's the idea. I actually don't know how the cannons work. Does it immediately eliminate the person standing in front of one? Will they have to pretend to fall down (crouch maybe?). Dunno. It's only a partial idea, ofc.
  #easter-eggs message

[dusk siren]

This post is about the "4 letter" clue on Las Vegas. I have a larger theory, which the same "solution" fits, but it's not essential ("solution" in quotes because I don't know the anagram, syntax, or specific unicode characters to use). It's hard to persuade people, so I hoped to run through enough permutations that I might stumble on the password, but honestly, none of this is a one-person job.

"Solution": The ARGON sign contains in it the following hidden characters: S, U, N, O, and 0

• S = the pretty "dots" on the sphere
  • " ... " = S in Morse
  • SERPENS = Sssssss....
  • R-r-r-r-rupertius = S-s-s-s....
• U = When the sphere rolls out of the sun, underneath you can see a serifed "U". You can kind of see it in the image, but if you knock out the ball it's unambiguous.
• N = the "N" at the end of ARGON
• O = " --- " = O in Morse (the three arcs connecting to the "O" in ARGON in the sign are the dashes
• 0 = Arg(0) = 0 or 'undefined' in mathematics, both of which are interesting

Re: the "O" and "0"
I have to work on the assumption that most of the people here are well steeped in the clues so far. Some considerations:

• Ø = a letter used in languages like Danish, which also looks like the null symbol; it will stand for a missing letter drawn from {A,B,C}
• ⦰ = the "Reversed Empty Set" character in unicode, which is sometimes used in languages like Danish to represent the empty set (or null set) ∅ to avoid confusion with the letter Ø; it will stand for a missing number drawn from {1,2,3}
• The ø and ⦰ are both contained and superimposed in the burrw gif (the superposition could be important, in my opinion; compare the symbols on the Level 3 passwords page, ⓧ)

Re: Good SUN⦻ anagrams (⦻ = the superposition of Ø and ⦰)

• Well, SUN⦻ itself is an obvious candidate:
  • ⦻ can be a missing number "⦰" = {1,2,3} ---> "SUN 1", "SUN 2", "SUN 3" (i.e., "3 dawns")
  • ⦻ can be a missing letter, "Ø" = {A,B,C} ---> "SUN A", "SUN B", "SUN C" (i.e., α, β, γ stars?)
    ...

continued...

• Other anagrams of "SUN⦻" the password might be?
  • The word "SU⦻N" was actually my favorite at first, an Old English spelling of "swan", in which case something like the "SUN 1", "SUN 2" and "SUN 3" could still be important clues, but just anagrams. The role of Odilia as a "black swan" stood out in my mind, and I felt like "swan" could plausibly be connected to other things in Las Vegas and the larger hunt.
  • I was also able to see something like "N⦻US" being the answer, and that possibility might click for someone better than it did for me and they can explain their thinking.

Also, just because one specific word is supposed to be the password doesn't mean that we can't interpret the answer as containing all of its anagrams by association.

Re: The "⦻" symbol
Even if the "solution" above contains the right letters, I have no idea how to express the idea that a unicode character like "⦻" might convey.
Other ideas I've tried:
_ (underscore)
?
(space symbol)
∅
⦰
ⓧ
⊗
⦻
⨂
⦰ø (in the original twitch VOD there is a moment right at the end where Rob can clearly be heard saying something like "4 letters... 5 letters... 4 letters", which in retrospect I take as a possible hint that one of the letters is ambiguous somehow, in this hypothesis both an "O" and "0")
ø⦰
o0
0o....

You get the idea. Anyway, I'm stuck. I think it's probably "right" on some level (or at least, I think the ARGON sign alone contains the correct solution), but it's clearly not all the way there and hard to keep track of all the possibilities.

One thing I do want to emphasize, though, is that if you go through the hints that Rob dropped about this "4 letter" clue, they all seem to fit from what I can remember, but please let me know if there was a clue or something he said that instantly discredits the idea.

Thoughts?
EDIT: Feeling pretty sure now that it is some variation of ONUS (a play on O-NESS)... Any help nailing it down would be appreciated.

[dusk siren]

* Also, it probably wasn't clear, but despite the fact that I was using capital letters above for readability (lol), I have been working under the assumption that all the characters in every password were "lowercase" (e.g., sun⦻)

[dusk siren]

Re: the 4-letter password

I do think that there is a thematic element that the password will match, but for now it doesn't feel worth trying to lay out a whole theory.
I will say that my latesting thinking is something like this:

• kings, queens, and gods (the good gives way to the bad)
• science and technology (the good gives way to the bad)
• arts and entertainment (the good gives way to the bad)
• ...whatever comes next, but hopefully it involves love and beauty, friendship, games, etc. (you know... everything The Finals is about 🙂 ❤️ )

For Las Vegas it could be things like (just for the sake of argument):

• Good sun gods give way to bad sun kings?
• Good nuclear science gives way to bad nuclear technology?
• Good art gives way to bad entertainment?
• .... and what comes next? Hopefully what we and Rob are doing here, I guess ❤️

[dusk siren]

There is one objection I can anticipate, which goes back to the time everyone and @dull marsh especially were getting close to something about ordering the casino signs by color in connection with "3 dawns".

I think you guys were exactly onto the right thing, but the presumption that it must be connected to the "4 letter" solution was wrong (that's my theory, anyway).
This is because I think I found the one missing piece in what you guys came up with and got what I think is a clue connected to the Las Vegas Gold Nama Tama EE.

Ludo’s ordering:

ZARABY - 3rd Dawn, Orange
EASTWOOD - 2nd Dawn, Red
ARGON - 1st Dawn, Purple
GLAMORA - Night, Blue
*****

I believe it's an "atom bomb" reference as much as a "sun" reference. (Might as well mention here, because I'm not sure it's been noted before, but I think the title of the Masterplan Mark__up__ map is a pretty solid clue for the idea that some thing or things are "going up" or need to "go up")

* The asterisk under the M, above, is the star under the M in the GLAMORA sign, and it's worth noting that there are also stars in or beneath the O in the ARGON sign and the T in the Eastwood sign, as if the initial star or sun (or atom bomb?) under the "M" were rising.

[white patrol]

the icon of glamora is polaris right?

[dusk siren]

🙂 I will take your word for it. Does that mean something good for us?

I hope so

Sorry, that probably came out wrong. I'm saying that is an interesting idea. I don't really know the connections between specific star shapes and specific stars traditionally.
I really do hope your idea helps connect to more things. ❤️ 🙂

[white patrol]

idk but if you search up polaris icon, many looks like the glamora star

[dull marsh]

you mean, the glamora star looks like stars? 😄

[white patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/oshi-no-ko-kana-arima-arima-kana-kana-arima-gif-8497162902322266344

i stg i hate you so much

[dusk siren]

sick burn xD

[white patrol]

I wonder why rob isn't on the list

probably doesn't matter? maybe rob just behind everything so they don't actually put him on things like this

[dusk siren]

He's "missing"... hey, nothing is random 🙂

[white patrol]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/eRQdaZ?album_id=632064

I'm noticing that

I suggested this before iirc, argon's LED light dot arrangement looks like a magnetic field

now take a look at Glamora's LED dot arrangement, it looks like constellations in space?

like this or i'm seeing things

[alpine junco]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Hale–Bopp#Detection_of_argon

argon casino having three tails and a star for the O makes me think it's this

"One of the most remarkable discoveries was that the comet had a third type of tail. In addition to the well-known gas and dust tails, Hale–Bopp also exhibited a faint sodium tail, only visible with powerful instruments with dedicated filters."

argon (gas), dust (sandstorm vegas), sodium (Na = North America) 🤔

[white patrol]

39 members of UFO cult members took their life when this thing flew close :c

[dusk siren]

Lol... this seems to just be an artifact... Not ruling it out entirely for that specific location, but probably not EE related.
But the "stumps"... the "black stumps"... the "black knight stumps"... sometimes you just want something too badly

[white patrol]

1, 2 star, 3 orbit
this has been mentioned before right iirc?

[alpine junco]

Glamora star

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_Ishtar

[dusk siren]

This seems interesting in the context of Kyoto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Target

[inland hemlock]

this is what Valkyrie was doing before joining THE FINALS 🤭

[dusk siren]

This, too, but for the opposite reasons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DecAthlete

[white patrol]

I have a idea about las vegas and 1 night 3 dawn

[keen palm]

How do I open vc chanel room?

Its says i got not permission?;(

[white patrol]

You're in the wrong channel for this question but

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[white patrol]

here you go

[keen palm]

Thank u for that

So i need to text in chat little.

[white patrol]

yes, #⚡┇the-finals-chat should be the place for it, this channel is strictly for easter eggs, you can chat about it if you want to know :3

[keen palm]

Thank u so much ! ❤️

[harsh nebula]

Drop it!

[white patrol]

ohh thanks for reminding me :3

[dusk siren]

Kyoto always had SUSPENDED STRUCTURES, right?

[white patrol]

I think so yeah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Suns_(eschatology)

[dusk siren]

The Kyoto Nama Tama clues have me literally going in circles. xD
Everyone have a great rest of the weekend (unless you're halfway around the world and have a great Monday)
And thanks for putting up with me. Honestly, I think we're closer to some things than people realize, but no one person has all the necessary ideas.
I hope we can make it happen together (before Season 10, maybe?) 🙂 ❤️

[past karma]

So close, yet so far...
Great brainstorming from you, tomschmo! Always wonderful to see this level of passion (or is it madness? who knows!)

[white patrol]

Ludo's message got eye'd

Blue (Glamora): Night
Purple (Argon): Dawn
Red (Eastwood): Dawn
Orange (Zaraby): Dawn

each 3 of the casinos represents a dawn, then there's 1 casino that represents night
based on each casino's color theme.

Based on this knowledge, I'm trying to read into what could 1 night 3 dawns mean;

Zarya/Zorya sisters are another clue from Fish, got eyed by rob, the personification of Dawn. In Rome, the equivalent is "Aurora"
Then aurora is also the name for northern lights (aurora borealis), southern lights also shared the same name in the first half (aurora australis).

An aurora[a] (pl. aurorae or auroras)[b] is a natural light display in Earth's sky, predominantly observed in high-latitude regions around the Arctic and Antarctic.

(not trying to say something solid, but I think the light of Aurora is similar to color theme of Glamora.)

It seems like this is a natural phenomenon that only happens in(around) Arctic and Antarctic,
What else happens in these 2 particular places?

Midnight Sun

Midnight sun, also known as polar day, is a natural phenomenon that occurs in the summer months in places north of the Arctic Circle or south of the Antarctic Circle, when the Sun remains visible at the local midnight.

1 night, 3 dawns can be interpreted as 3 suns at nighttime.

Sun can happen in nighttime, and it's called midnight sun. Where are the other 2 "suns"?

"Sun dog"

A sun dog (or sundog) or mock sun, also called a parhelion[1] (plural parhelia) in atmospheric science, is an atmospheric optical phenomenon that consists of a bright spot to one or both sides of the Sun. Two sun dogs often flank the Sun within a 22° halo.

If we interpret "one night, three dawns" as three suns appearing at night, the sundog phenomenon under midnight sun conditions could explain it.

and I think I find a way to represent it in the game

[white patrol]

I don't think this map is entirely accurate somehow? but using this as an example, let's say

Glamora = night

If we’re standing in Glamora and looking toward the center stage, one of the three casinos faces us directly, while the other two are turned sideways, very much like a sundog in my opinion

[dusk siren]

Both probabilities and the magic 8 ball (magic 8 nama tama?) say madness, but thanks. 🙂 ❤️

[hard current]

iirc the 3 dawns are nautical, civil, and astronomical, eyed in an image by rob a long time ago

this image or one like it is what got eyed

[dusk siren]

I feel like some clues line up re: the Kyoto Gold Nama Tama mechanice.
We all know "lining up" is very far from meaning much, but it's generally a direction to try.
Clues and potential connections:

• Playstation controller buttons ( @low escarp reminded me the other day of the shapes in SYS corresponding to these buttons)
• Kyoto and Playstation are Japanese
• Playstation is gaming-related (like the Sega Saturn)
• All the speculation on Lost Legacy Finders meaning and hints
• Kitsune folklore clues
• The Kyoto battlepass clues ("pouncing"; "the right pressure")
• I could probably go on...
• "Bell" clues
• "Speak no Evil" Gold Nama Tama theme

The proposed mechanic:

• The "triangle" is the jump pad beneath the Cliffside and Bell Tower
• The "X" is the X on the Lost Legacy map which is on a the opening of the "Vault" under a triangular Finals logo inside of a triangular outline of part of the "Vault" on the map, so it is presumably the actual "target" of a Charge 'N' Slam pounce. The Disk 22 "EE not found" clue might suggest that a stump is where an EE will be found if done correctly.
• The "black square" is likely a "black knight" of some sort (in Monty Python and the Holy Grail the black knight ends up with "stumps" h/t @dull marsh so maybe a tree stump close by behind the jump pad and a bit to the left, but I a prefer an idea that would necessitate spreading these elements out more in the surrounding area, which is to use the nearest "black stump" in the nearby cellar when you knock out its wood post, since otherwise, I'm not really sure we have a good "woodworking" corollary)
• The "circle" is the brass, not quite gold-colored ball from the Bell Tower (most easily winched and winch claw was a Season 3 specialization)
• "Smash the Bell with all these items in the right coordination (I suspect they will be in the shape of the Playstation direction pad given that the stump may be a little bit away from the jump pad away from the Cliffside

A hypothetical addition that may dial up the complexity and difficulty (which may have been necessary as far as Rob's thinking is concerned):

• A KS-23 can knock out the mast on the top of the Bell Tower. To the extent the mast also symbolizes a wireless antenna (Bell = AT&T), the "Speak No Evil" clue suggests knocking out a telephone connection
• A jump pad can be placed where the mast was located
• The "pounce" needed might be from there to generate "the right pressure", and again the target might be a tree stump located as part of the configuration indicated by the layout of the PS controller

I think that's all...
As always, people should only try mine or other people's ideas if they find ithem interesting and can pls ignore otherwise (sorry but emphasis on the pls ignore otherwise part)
I mention the idea at all because there's no saying how close it is to being correct and no saying how much I'll not quite execute the plan even if/when it ends up correct.
If there is something here and it's close to being workable, something missing or needing to be changed, it would be great if someone could make the idea better or more complete.
As always, compounding probabilities can make a big difference, strength in numbers, etc. 🙂 ❤️

[white patrol]

mmhmm but rob also said something like #1332648610311049287 message
so I went "sun is also possible", but you're right so far it seem to only relates to dawn, though idk why dawn = sun from my memory :p

[past karma]

Can you mark the gap you are referencing on your screenshots? I can't seem to understand what looks strange to you here :0

[white patrol]

never mind!!! breaking news!!!!

I'm stupid >:3

[dusk siren]

Sorry, I meant to post the Lost Legacy map for reference to see what I was getting at.

[gloomy anvil]

This is pretty cool and honestly screaming out to be relevant to L3 in some way
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Solar_System

Pink Floyd was the first band ever to perform at the Avicii Arena (aka the Stockholm Globe Arena / Globen) that represents the Sun in the model.

[surreal sinew]

dude no shot me and my grandparents where just talking about this over dinner a day or 2 ago but dont u ever call it the avicii arena its called globen (i refuse to accsept the new name cool tribute but its globen allways has allways will be) but the model is really cool

[gloomy anvil]

haha yes it seems Globen is its true name there

#1201288968562552863 message

[surreal sinew]

yeah globen is globen i hate the new name

[austere rover]

Heist order?

[white patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/633515376570793984.webp?size=48

no idea

[austere rover]

I'll give it a shot while I'm out there next. Maybe depending on the angles that each casino is facing you can tell which ones to do in what order, or maybe one of those you mentioned is simply hinted to be first.
Either way, I love messing with generators all around. Hope that's part of it or I'll get literally nowhere lol