easter-eggs

[hard forge]

where did the 7 go

[hard forge]

common error

[dull marsh]

Ah I'm dumb F is 6th letter

Well fk me then

Too tired for this rn

[hard forge]

ok

[dull marsh]

Cya

[rugged breach]

That triggered a neuron for a somewhat-schizo possibility

CNS could literally be C n S, = C and S, C and Sofia.
S lies/Sofia lies graffiti could be a third party trying to warn C

[dusk siren]

We did have one Sartre clue previously, so another possible "Flies" association https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flies

[crisp eagle]

So even the "files not found" error isn't found haha

[left oriole]

isnt 7011 a timeout error

[gloomy anvil]

giving us the exact filenames seems like the most obvious "go and find these files on a sponsor website" challenge ever

[inland hemlock]

Ye

[ornate aspen]

has robbed ever mentioned the letter i

rob*

[white patrol]

this shot is perfect, thanks phish

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/704665003168366643.webp?size=28&animated=true

[ornate aspen]

does anyone remember the gif rob sent where it’s a quarter of what seemed to be a circle in constant rotation

i can’t seem to find it

[split wolf]

Is there a comprehensive clean and clear page somewhere about the easter egg hunt (like what was found so far and what is to be found ?) I could not find any clear and concise sumup of it so far, the wiki one seems outdated too.

And the pinned post are all over the place tbh...

All I got is that level 3 pwd are not solved and that it needs to be solved but then you have like more than 10 hints that are all over the placed in pin post/wikis and not clearly documented anywhere in the same place ???

[sharp flame]

Level 1 and 2 were comprised of images posted in #official-art

every time we solved a password, a new image would be revealed

and then some extra images would be revealed over time if we couldn't find the password

[split wolf]

I got that part ! Thank you ! I'm mostly wondering about why the hell the lvl3 hints candidates are not centralized anywhere... It's not great and easy to do back and forth between discord pinned message/wikis/and random reddit posts....

[sharp flame]

That's because technically we have nothing except the site itself

[split wolf]

I'm trying to get into the ee but it's really a decentralized mess to me so far.

[sharp flame]

we have a Miro but I'm afraid it won't be less messy

[split wolf]

Meh I'm sure some hints are scattered within all the sources I mentioned. It seems like it, but it's hard to process everything and have a clear POV on what was debunked or not.

[gloomy anvil]

I can assure you the wiki isn't outdated. Everything is documented chronologically. Try starting here
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/THE_FINALS_Easter_Egg_Hunt

[split wolf]

Like I can't really tell where you guys are at as of right now (4:29am GMT+2) that's my main complain here. I did read it all though.

[split wolf]

Yes I did read that too, but most of the hints are just posted on this discord chat and get lost in it so it's confusing and tedious to check what is debunked or not.

[sharp flame]

https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVK0idxbU= Here is a masterboard of all of the clues. And as-of-where-we-are-right-now, we literally have nothing except the Webpage, like I said

[split wolf]

Oh great thank you pretty much what I was looking for and would like to contribute to ! It's extremely late here I fell into the rabbithole !

I will check it out more closely tomorrow ! Thank you !

[gloomy anvil]

The wiki only documents confirmed or very likely clues. It doesn't go into theories that could later be debunked. That means you won't get the full picture, but you will get a foundational understanding of what we have to work with.

[split wolf]

Is there really 0/9 password of the level 3 so far ?

[sharp flame]

Yep! We have not started

[split wolf]

Yes thank you !

[split wolf]

And tell me if I'm mistaken but from what I got so far all the hints were mostly cryptographics ?

Hints as in what was solved so far

like 70% of it was hidden in pictures

[sharp flame]

By so far, you mean Level 2?

[split wolf]

What lead you to level 3 yeah

[sharp flame]

All clues came from images

then Rob would sometimes come into this channel and give us clues (that would help us solve the images)

so I guess there are some text clues

[split wolf]

And are you guys expecting the same for the 9 passwords ? (images decryption)

[sharp flame]

the clues in the images range from hidden code, the patterns of pixels, the content of the images, etc.

[sharp flame]

Yes. I misspoke earlier, I think we do have some clues for Level 3

There were images in the press folder

those images are in the Level 3 section(s) of the Miro , alongside everything dissected in them

[split wolf]

Thank you ! I have some ideas/test I could run on them (I like a good CTF!) it's very late for me to fall in this rabbithole though ahah, but see you guys soon ! Just wanted to make sure I understood where we were at.

[crisp eagle]

Is Hydra_Q showing up on all maps, or just certain ones?

[gloomy anvil]

Monaco and Seoul are the only ones I've heard so far

[crisp eagle]

So maybe Asia is #2 Nama Tama?

Going east if we stuck with 1, 2, 3

[split wolf]

See this is why you guys really need a place to centralize all findings, It's vague what to follow if you were not there from the beginning ! (I do have the nama tama ref though ! but wth is #2 NT ??)

[gloomy anvil]

I think the keyart clues strongly established NA as #2 tbh

[split wolf]

Anyhow good night guys !

[gloomy anvil]

check this brief overview theory when you have time, it might help with recent discussions #easter-eggs message

[crisp eagle]

Well to be fair we use threads and this chat is kinda like a dump-all haha

[split wolf]

Ty I'll leave it open and read it in the morning !

[gloomy anvil]

I couldn't help but get some golden namatama B-roll earlier

[sharp flame]

god the Level 3 clues are so complete

and yet unsolved

we have like 7 clues pointing towards "Null/empty" and "Trinity/three"

[gloomy anvil]

my recording missed the start with it emerging behind the rock sadly

[crisp eagle]

And Silk Road. That’s my obsession

[gloomy anvil]

It's easy to get caught up in tertiary and quaternary clues

[sharp flame]

oh I think I solved another aspect of this

[crisp eagle]

You think Silk Road might be tertiary or quaternary?

[gloomy anvil]

yes

[sharp flame]

Jupiter 2 is spaceship in Lost in Space

[split wolf]

Please for a newbie like me explain it with more details ! (Or update the wiki idk)😭

[sharp flame]

AKA Europa
AKA the namesake of the continent Europe

[split wolf]

I get where you guys are in the hunt but it's hard to get all of it/what was tried/what didn't work etc. So overall it's hard to help and I'd love to help !

[sharp flame]

If you go to the Level 3 section of the Miro, these image dissections are down at the bottom. They highlight the clues that are found in the images

[crisp eagle]

Oh like Europa = Europe

[sharp flame]

Europa is the mythical figure which Europe is named after yes

[split wolf]

(funny how it's the arc raiders press kit but with a 180 rotation)

[sharp flame]

Then, the boxes below are just the steps to solving the clue

[crisp eagle]

Oh noice! I didn’t know that. Man I love the hunt haha

[split wolf]

Where does all of this come from though, like I get you guys must have debunked/checked your info but you know..

[sharp flame]

The thing is, the Europa connection doesn't seem to have been made, obvious as it is

[sharp flame]

so, the images themselves have been dissected, you can see the annotations on it

like here

[rugged breach]

In terms of passwords tried there's #1226677330689261631

[gloomy anvil]

every time I look back at level 2 tiers I'm reminded of how many clues just pointed to one thing and didn't have any other unique meaning

[sharp flame]

Silk Road could point to 3 Hares, which btw points to Devon, where it all began

[split wolf]

thank you for your help understanding guys, i need sleep but I'll try to decipher all the info you guys got on lvl3 tomorrow (which tbh is an ARG itself considering the lack of a central ressource for that ahah)

[sharp flame]

Ping me when you need something explained!

[split wolf]

Sure thank you 🙂 !

[crisp eagle]

Yea you’re probably right. It would have an odd place overall. It’s just wild how many things involve it. But it could also be highlighting silk in general, or something else completely that we just haven’t seen yet

[sharp flame]

my memory should cover all the gaps in our documentation

[gloomy anvil]

do you mean how we know william the conquerer's death date is the correct interpretation of the clue?

in that example, Rob eyed the message about it, which means it's correct (but he doesn't always do this) #easter-eggs message

[split wolf]

Yes for example, the graph you sent felt like random possible clues / undebunked clues put together without further info ! It makes more sense when you say that ! 🙂 Thank you !

[white patrol]

we got the printer on board, yeahh

[split wolf]

I need sleep but thanks for the help, eager to participate in this, just trying to catch up !

[gloomy anvil]

The wiki makes the distinction by always adding "this has not yet been confirmed" to clue interpretations that haven't been confirmed. If something doesn't say that, then it's almost certainly correct.

[split wolf]

Thank you much for all those infos !

I hope this doesn't end up like the secret by byron preiss ahah

most insane arg/hunt I'm aware of

[sharp flame]

I think I'm onto something @gloomy anvil

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_continent_name_etymologies

[rugged breach]

I think it actually is, at least in terms of game easter eggs. Rob, the guy organising this has been brainstorming it for over a decade waiting for his chance to make it real

[sharp flame]

Herodotus might be resolved now

since we have Europa, origin of Europe, too

!!

[agile dirge]

Woah their are Easter eggs lol

Who has time to look

[sharp flame]

hell yes there are

[sharp flame]

me :)

[gloomy anvil]

where did we get Europa from?

[white patrol]

biggest in the game industry ngl

[white patrol]

we

[agile dirge]

I'll be watching a YouTube for em lol

[split wolf]

he probably read the secret then (the og 1982 ARG) to this day a lot of it was not solved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_(treasure_hunt)

[sharp flame]

I just got it a few minutes ago. Lost In Space, eyed by Rob. The main spaceship is the Jupiter II AKA Europa

Look at the last line on the page too

[agile dirge]

If you got videos sent me a dm for your YouTube

[rugged breach]

Rockhoundblack is the guy you're looking for then!

[gloomy anvil]

ah I see

[sharp flame]

"Jupiter 2" page redirects to Lost in Space wiki page, so I can 100% see that connection

[gloomy anvil]

I was wondering if Lost in Space was a very subtle connection to this too #easter-eggs message

[white patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/778713696804667422.webp?size=28&animated=true

[sharp flame]

for sure

[white patrol]

let that fish cook

[sharp flame]

just plainly though, Europa is super on-the-nose

this is definitely the style of clue we had in Level2

where it was right in front of us

Lost in Space = Europa = Naming of Europe
and now that Herodotus = Naming of Asia

---

That means we have an America name origin clue out there

[crisp eagle]

Amerigo Vespucci

Find him haha

[gloomy anvil]

brb doing some very important and professional research https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfXoUaeLcDU

[rugged breach]

Already on it

DOuble checking it with our mystery man

He's close

[gloomy anvil]

I love map men

[austere rover]

tolli, latin for 'to be removed' according to google translate.

[sharp flame]

Looking rn

[white patrol]

what the fuck is a kilometer🗣️ 🦅

[austere rover]

I love how many intricate rabbit holes there are to do with this

[crisp eagle]

Wasn’t TF called Project Discovery or something like that during early development?

[vagrant mauve]

That's what I've heard

[austere rover]

dIsCoVeR?

[white patrol]

sorry pib

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/821265255803387914.webp?size=48

I have lack of knowledge in Lvl3 can't help much, sorry peeps ._.

[rugged breach]

Some features like the nose and the frowny beard are close, sometimes the cheek shadow but can't see a complete match in any rendition

[crisp eagle]

That Amerigo?

[rugged breach]

Yeah

[crisp eagle]

Man it’s close

[rugged breach]

4th one especially 😞

Couldn't find another rendition of him though

[crisp eagle]

What about our flower blob? Maybe it’s a mayflower? The Mayflower is considered to be the first ship to land in America. May be reaching

[austere rover]

I have to wonder why there are so many obscure references leading to what seems to be nowhere.. Then there are a bunch of outfits and stuff that relate to different places and events too

I also got curious about the red square that showed up in Sy$horizon, then the corresponding outfit? I almost wanna spend some multibucks to find out if there's a correlation

[rugged breach]

No ees need you to spend money on them, you can inspect them to get any information

[sharp flame]

oh my god we're so stupid

[austere rover]

But I'm curious if having the eye, or maybe the whole outfit on will.. change the perspective? if you would

[vagrant mauve]

What's the followup?

[sharp flame]

no I just wanted to say that, I thought I found something

[rugged breach]

If it makes you say that it's probably the correct one lmao

[austere rover]

Now I'm wondering if the space outfit is teasing us going to mars next year

[sharp flame]

but gimme a long bit

[white patrol]

it really does looks like him except the beard part

[rugged breach]

He did eye a "this gun looks like a scifi space thing" a while ago 🤔

Perma low gravity map let's gooo

[austere rover]

Yeah, then reverse low gravity and make it normal gravity or something lol

Or super low gravity???

[vagrant mauve]

Mars is thought to be where The Finals meatspace actually is so possible fs

[crisp eagle]

I thought it was “The greatest game show on Earth”

[sharp flame]

Trying to solve this anagram

---

F C B Y T A E H R C R

or

A B C C E F H R R T Y

[crisp eagle]

Where was this from again? Brain is mashed potatoes right now

[sharp flame]

One of the image clues.

[vagrant mauve]

But in Arc there's evidence of a spaceship having launched (or multiple) and a lot of in game things suggest the people left on earth (raiders) were left behind by the rich

[sharp flame]

Right, but ARC and THE FINALS aren't connected past some logos that were in both games, early in development

[white patrol]

I did say it is a lie they said they are on earth but where did mars came from again? I remember you said something but I forgot

[sharp flame]

that are now removed

[rugged breach]

I think there was a finals sticker that was found, I'd be surprised if the embarkverse wasn't real tbh seems right up their alley

[gloomy anvil]

alphabetical order of letters in the original string (I don't think this is the correct interpretatino but posting anyway)

521960781043

actually this became RFC BYTE CHAR didn't it?

[sharp flame]

wdym?

[gloomy anvil]

an anagram of the letters

[sharp flame]

Let me check

[sharp flame]

it checks out, but I don't think that worked for anything

[sharp flame]

I'm also seeing
FCB TREYARCH

[crisp eagle]

This keeps happening to me haha. Was just trying to read about Asia in general. Now I’m thinking Death By Rhodent and Silk Road again.

[sharp flame]

FCB and TREYARCH both have Triad in the logos

but I'd say that one is a clear coincidence, despite the spooky Trinity connection

[vagrant mauve]

I mean it's the only plausible answer in our solar system, and we've pretty much established Planet Arc as earth

[vagrant mauve]

Not true. Embarker said "they are connected in some fashion"

[sharp flame]

I'd love to see that message! Or a screenshot of it. Interesting.

[vagrant mauve]

colors are cooked in this screenshot but whatever

[sharp flame]

I see now! TBF I wouldn't take this as fact, the same way I wouldn't if it came from Oscar, since they don't work on ARC they are simply saying "it is known" as far as WE know

AKA using the info that we all know

Like the overlapping logos

and the Finals revive statue in the background of the ARC menu

[ornate aspen]

has this always been here?

[gloomy anvil]

added today

[vagrant mauve]

you can check the Arc lore thread for all the connections

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1368471596125392956

[sharp flame]

Yeah haha, I made plenty of those original connections when the old logos existed in the game

[vagrant mauve]

that thread is all stuff from latest beta

[ornate aspen]

strange

[sharp flame]

Yeah, reading it now! Just letting you know that this official server doesn't allow leaks btw, so those leaked screenshots can't stay

[vagrant mauve]

it's not leaked? TT2 was open for videos/screenshots

CMs are fully aware of it's existence..

[sharp flame]

#1368471596125392956 message

[daring bluff]

https://outplayed.tv/the-finals/MBrKWo
coming in this thread to share this clip but judging based on your server nickname i'm assuming it's already been found

[vagrant mauve]

that was in the game, just a bugged thing that was shown

[white patrol]

oh that's on fysic haha, it is a bug occoured in game not a leak

[sharp flame]

Yeah I just realised

calling it LEAKED MAP in all caps was funny

[gloomy anvil]

she's judging hard

[vagrant mauve]

I mean it is leaked, not intentionally shown...

but we didn't data mine or anything

[white patrol]

👀

[sharp flame]

Yeah, np at all!

We know from Embark-given info that ARC takes place in 2180

[daring bluff]

oh yeah, i had that map pop up in arc for me as well

[sharp flame]

and we know TF is supposed to take place in 2100

So at the very least the two games are not happening simultaneously

From clues gathered in ARC, we know that the Exodus age has happened over a long period

[white patrol]

so that means Elon musk is the owner of multico?

[sharp flame]

So in 2100, rich humans would have already left earth, leaving behind the remaining people

[white patrol]

yeah that's basically my guess too

[sharp flame]

so far the only crossover we have had are logos on cosmetics

Whether that be ARC cosmetics or Finals ones

but we haven't had a single shared name/sponsor outside of those small cosmetic references

[white patrol]

in map too, Jiangsu Romagna the company heavily relates to space port, but it is only solid connection so far

[sharp flame]

Right but you see how Jiangsu Romagna on THE FINALS' side, like I said, exist only as a tiny logo on a single cosmetic over 6 months before TT2 even came out

[vagrant mauve]

yeah we thought of all of that and accounted for it in our theories

[white patrol]

yeah that's true phish :3 I do have something interesting to share tho: #1368471596125392956 message
not too much certain connections between 2 games but it is interesting

[white patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/810868992511836241.webp?size=48

[sharp flame]

We also know that in THE FINALS' world, humans still operate on Earth. We have multiple pieces of evidence to support this. Most recently, the food grown on the South Atlantic Landfill to create Tiger Juice.

The Questline in ARC about researchers trying to grow food in Hydroponic Domes (before losing funding), wouldn't line up with a Sponsor like Trentila which is implied to have advanced Crop Engineering by 2100

[white patrol]

tbh I didn't

[sharp flame]

Yeah, I don't think the worlds are incompatible

but for now it's a theory, like you said

[daring bluff]

secret level episode when

[gloomy anvil]

> Earth deteriorates, under siege from ARC, humanity goes underground
> rich people leave Earth
> rich people's new planet also goes to shit (who could've seen that coming)
> make a virtual game show to keep everybody entertained

not a serious theory, I'm pretty sure The Finals is confirmed as taking place on Earth?

[white patrol]

yeah, but I think narrator is important, who said it, is it ture? S lies tho

L lies too

[daring bluff]

I think I like rockhound's version a bit better which is that humanity is forced into space due to an environmental collapse, and ARC only show up a long time after humans have been in space for a while, i.e. ARC is a somewhat recent thing in 2180

[daring bluff]

i don't think there's any confirmation of that but i'm not sure

[white patrol]

it's literally my theory too, when I saw rock having same idea, first time in my life I feel smart

[vagrant mauve]

I did :)

[vagrant mauve]

I think thats more to support the space theory actually. It's a common idea that crops would be grown in space/on other planets using waste, aka a landfill.

[sharp flame]

Right, but it wouldn't line up with the fact that Researchers in ARC in 2150-60 (implying a government) tried to start growing plants in Hydroponic Domes and failed, if in 2100, just 50-60 years prior to this research project, the level of technology was on genetically-modified crops en-masse (Trentila)

[vagrant mauve]

you're working off the assumption all is fine and well in The Finals, which most things suggest isnt true

[white patrol]

my theory was before environmental collapse, rich people promised to take everyone with them on a rocket or something but instead of following the promise, they takes all the technology and resources with them, leaving the public behind, after years and years the earth actually recovered from the environmental collapse, for the purpose of rewriting history and resources, the riches (my guess is multico related people) start sending arcs onto earth to wipe out remaining humans and gather resources, does this lines up? (sorry my English is pretty bad so not sure if this supports your point)

[sharp flame]

I'm assuming that the products and ads and megacorp is real, and these sponsors sell real products

And that Trentila is a real company that does actually do genetically-modified crops that grow in landfill

I'm not sure why they would sneak that into tiny print in the Ad, and also have it be false

[white patrol]

iirc lvl 2 is called the promise right? WR is also heavily related to lore (speculation is fun but I won't say it's true because it makes sense)

[sharp flame]

A lot of that I agree with! However, Earth clearly does not recover from Ecological collapse, look at the state of Buried City! Or how overgrown a place like Dam or Spaceport is.

Things get bad and stay bad, that much is true.

[white patrol]

my bad fish, isn't overgrown a sign of environmental recovery? my thought is people are still hiding underground because of arc, it is no longer because of the effect of environmental collapse

[vagrant mauve]

it's 2025 and we have GMO crops en-masse...

that could be grown in landfills

[sharp flame]

And we also have Hydroponics!

So the Hydroponic attempt shouldn't be happening

Hydroponics is way less advanced than GMO crops

[sharp flame]

You're right! I misspoke. Humans are hiding because of ARC, which does explain the overgrown condition of Dam. However, it doesn't explain how far Buried City fell into disrepair

[white patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/938415317544230932.webp?size=48

[sharp flame]

ARC arrived 30 years ago, maximum. Buried City looks to be abandoned for much longer.

[white patrol]

would it be also because of arc?

oh I see

[vagrant mauve]

where'd you get that?

[sharp flame]

The 30 years ago thing? This is assuming ARC arrived at the so called "First Wave". We know from Celeste's description that she was a survivor of this First Wave.

She doesn't look a day over 40 so

the First Wave can't have been more than 30 years ago

[white patrol]

it's so curious.. I can't wait for official release... all I can do it vibe the OST.. I miss arc raiders, really bad :c
If I want to drag it, the possible conclusion would be for some reason the people start using all their resources for underground or other topside constructions, or everyone left the city in all, but that would be a baseless guess! (I really hope 2 worlds are connected heavily, that would be so sick)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/821265255803387914.webp?size=48

[vagrant mauve]

@sharp flame what even like is your theory cus I feel like you're just saying a bunch of contradicting stuff

[white patrol]

just let me sleep till arc release please, can't take it anymore

[white patrol]

where is the contradiction fysic? maybe I'm dumb, didn't see anything really contradicting

[sharp flame]

After Ecological crisis for decades, Rich Humans leave Earth in 2050, remaining humans on Earth struggle to survive, with most cities abandoned, and only small settlements remain. ARC arrive in 2150, the surviving humans are forced underground.

The theory is that ARC are sent by the Government/Rich Humans that left in 2050s to clear Earth out for rehabilitation

[shy oracle]

Question is why Italy lol

[shy oracle]

Reminds me of Don’t Look Up

[sharp flame]

I believe Humans survived all over the world. All it says is ARC threaten any settlement on the surface

[vagrant mauve]

ok and so what is your point about trentilla?

[sharp flame]

That in my view, humans on Earth by even 2050 are medium-tech and struggling to even survive.

[vagrant mauve]

and so they just pull The Finals out their ass? Everything suggests that Embarkverse timeline is an alternate timeline of our history, with a then distorted future making it a utopia/dystopia

[sharp flame]

No, I believe they aren't in the same timeline.

[vagrant mauve]

the entire thing is effectively a satire on modern day things taken to the extreme...

[sharp flame]

The aesthetic and technology are completely different in either game

The only explanation that would make these two universes fit, is that the survivors on Earth never have, and currently don't, interact with anything going on in Space, and there'd be no way of knowing if those two were connected because they operate in completely different times and locations

[vagrant mauve]

they are on the same timeline 100%. All the lore of The Finals and the lore of Arc point towards the same ideas

[white patrol]

"they just pull The Finals out their ass"
even that is still possible lol
we will have to see after release people

[vagrant mauve]

and general telling of events, The Finals is just very distorted... SLies.

[white patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/747245673631449109.webp?size=48

[sharp flame]

I agree that the ideas in both, about corporations and dystopia, are the same.

But 100% connected is not right

there is currently no explicit connection that Embark is trying to make, only references so far

I'd only believe it if they did something on purpose, like put any of the Seasonal Main Sponsors as a reference in ARC

Right now we have Easter Eggs.

[vagrant mauve]

that can easily be explained by a rebranding happening when The Finals occurs

hence the difference in brands between Alpha trailer and the rest

[sharp flame]

Of course it can be explained, but it's not shown, so again that can't be counted as evidence

I agree that there is room for it to be true

But that doesn't mean there is EVIDENCE for it to be true

many things we think we know about THE FINALS could be a lie, yes

the game COULD take place at the same time as ARC, yes

we just need something more concrete than logos

[white patrol]

there's no 100% untill rob eyes

[pure loom]

Yeah, my opinion is that any logos we saw during early trailers of THE FINALS that have appeared in ARC Raiders were just assets that weren't used and Embark decided they could use them elsewhere, rather than pointing to any narrative connection between the games, or they're Easter Eggs, like the logo that appears on the racing jacket in THE FINALS and is an ARC Raiders logo.

[sharp flame]

Yeah, the old ARC logos from 2023 have been completely removed

I'd assume it's so that they could use them in THE FINALS since that was coming out first

They made new logos for ARC afterwards

[pure loom]

also TF narrative content might have been a bit rushed after the games release order got swapped around

[vagrant mauve]

I just think its a bit of jump to say just cus 1 logo is different and the technology is off in 1 instance that the entire thing is a multiverse and the two games are completely disconnected outside of similar themes and worlds

[white patrol]

fish is saying possibility and nothing concrete, not denning it

[sharp flame]

On the contrary! I am just saying that you claiming that there is "100% connection" cannot be true

[pure loom]

But you could argue this completely the other way too - there's nothing solid narrative-wise to link the games. Both arguments are speculation currently.

[sharp flame]

I'd say 50% connected if I was being optimistic

[pure loom]

ok, I just rang Scrappy. He said "wtf is THE FINALS?"

[sharp flame]

In fact, the main reason why this theory still holds is because we know so little about the Meatspace, and we know so little about the history of ARC

and we have these two gray areas which are similar, so we connect them

[white patrol]

we have confirmation from scrappy! that's something concrete!

[white patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/934750992413630494.webp?size=48

[pure loom]

I agree. I think the most we can say is we have two speculative theories about whether the two games are connected or not.

[vagrant mauve]

I just don't get it. Embark has proven to be very purposeful, keeping everything so far in a neat cannon... And you're just jumping straight into saying theres been a lot of retcons and multiversal ideas based on shreds of information. Occams razer.

[sharp flame]

I agree that the games could be connected! I am not trying to say they are incompatible

I spent a lot of time, (Rockhound can attest to this) trying to analyze the lore of both games to see where they fit together

There is enough connection there that if Embark want to connect them, we can agree that they've planted the seeds for this all along

[white patrol]

we all like them being connected fysic, just saying there's no 100% there, even it's my own theory (I like it alot) but still nothing concrete, just logos and posters

[pure loom]

Even if they do want to connect them, they cannot be concurrent. There's no escaping that TF occurs around 2100 and AR in 2180 - unless part of the narrative is a lie - then that ain't canon

[sharp flame]

I said nothing about a multiverse haha, I meant they could be in two different universes in the same way that Marvel and DC are , basically unrelated franchises

Though Marvel and DC did have that crossover.. nvm

[vagrant mauve]

^^

[pure loom]

@vagrant mauve I think the best thing we can do at the moment is just keep noting things we see until it's impossible for one narrative or the other to be viable.

[sharp flame]

Timeline = Universe in that sentence

I meant they are two different worlds

I will keep looking into connections between ARC and Finals

I've always been interested in that

[pure loom]

and I will keep knocking them down so my argument doesn't look bad

[sharp flame]

I just don't think we can say it's confirmed or proven yet

[pure loom]

[sharp flame]

you evil person!

[white patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1060686636192649296.webp?size=48

[vagrant mauve]

ngl I think yall a little too used to devs flat out telling you what is true and what isn't... sometimes there isn't always an easy answer... Occam's razer is literally the answer for that....

[white patrol]

nothing concrete is not what devs said, and that is fish's point

I did say
"we all like them being connected fysic, just saying there's no 100% there, even it's my own theory (I like it alot) but still nothing concrete, just logos and posters"

[sharp flame]

Doesn't Occam's Razor mean that the easy answer is the true one

or do I not know what that means

[vagrant mauve]

the simple answer is usually right.

[white patrol]

the easter eggs we solved does not follow this rule at all

[pure loom]

see, I would say that applying Occam's razor here would tell us that game studios like to have easter eggs between their games and that is the simplest and most likely connection - but neither view really has enough info yet to say it's a "simplest solution"

[sharp flame]

Simple would be that the games have no connection IMO!

[vagrant mauve]

games both follow conventionally realistic dystopias, they probably don't have multiple universes or timelines o whatever you want to say.

[sharp flame]

Game Devs reference their other projects all the time

That's the simple answer

[vagrant mauve]

...and yet the one direct piece of confirmation we do have says that they are connected... I really don't understand yall

[pure loom]

by that argument, we could argue that DayZ is part of this universe too

[white patrol]

trust me, we all like them being the same universe (who don't? bigger plot, bigger lore!)
but
nothing concrete

[vagrant mauve]

I think we can be sure that IPs Embark doesn't own arent part of this...

[pure loom]

personally I hate the idea, but that doesn't mean I won't say I'm wrong, if I'm wrong

[sharp flame]

.. from a Finals gameplay programmer .. who said "I mean it's a relatively known fact"

[vagrant mauve]

are we aware of what a fact is??? Look up the defs of all the words there... None of them discredit the validity of the fact.

And yes I'm gonna trust the dev over you 😂

[pure loom]

who said that, and when?

[sharp flame]

He said they have a relation (in some degree)

[white patrol]

I know! ofc you will admit sorry rock, I guess I can't speak for all of us, but I will like them anyways, because embark will cook either way

[vagrant mauve]

and thats why I dont understand why you immediately jump to "no relation"

[sharp flame]

which is based off of the stuff we already know, like the logos crossing over

[vagrant mauve]

like what???

he even uses the word "embark-verse" so why would it even be multiple universes/timelines...

that just wouldnt make sense...

[white patrol]

we kind of drifting away from easter eggs at this point, let's not flood the channel more, there's a lot important information about lvl 3 above, maybe go #1201288968562552863? this is TFEE channel after all

[sharp flame]

I have to remind you that this isn't a lore guy, but a programmer saying "I guess"

[vagrant mauve]

I think its a little wild to suggest you know more than the embark employee... I think most Embarkers would be aware of the broad lore of each of the games... Seems essential to yknow, not making a bunch of contradictions that slow down development...

[sharp flame]

#1201288968562552863 message

Rob says the overarching story is kept secret from employees

[white patrol]

that's so cool!! I didn't even know that, rob is badass

[vagrant mauve]

I don't think anything we can discern from the beta is important enough that it needs to be locked away...

[white patrol]

overarching hehehe (I'm sorry)

[pure loom]

for TF yes

[sharp flame]

Right! But the story that connects both games, if it exists, probably would be part of the "secret".

[sharp flame]

If there is a story that connects both games together, then it's really just 1 story

[vagrant mauve]

yeah... like the specifics... not the "oh the rich blasted off into space, make some propaganda around that in the left behind ruins" way...

specific names? specific dates and events? specific character stories? sure...

[white patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/gunnawritingthatheatlmao-gif-18603548

[pure loom]

There are really 3 options:

1. No connection at all.
2. Same universe, but unrelated stories (some things appear in the same space - like McDonalds and Einstein were in the same universe)
3. Connected narrative.

I will bet on 1, accept 2, and be disappointed by 3

[sharp flame]

I just don't see that message he wrote as confirmation. He's just agreeing with the part of the original question that says "outside of broad lore connections" (which he assumes is true) and he's making a playful remark with the Embark-verse thing

[white patrol]

rock (pure curiosity) why do you hate 3? maybe I'm too young to understand, it is too "trendy" or?

[full plinth]

For me its the 2 or the 1, but yeah not the 3

[pure loom]

1A could be easter eggs between the two games, which we know already exist

[sharp flame]

I personally wouldn't mind if they were in the same universe at all!

I'm constantly looking for confirmation

There are stories to be told in both games, and a little extra story if they are the same timeline!

[pure loom]

I feel like it's a trope to connect stories these days - when a brilliant story can stand entirely on its own.

[sharp flame]

We just have no real evidence right now

[vagrant mauve]

I mean really what I'm trying to say is I think it's wild that y'all are considering a theory to be invalid because it's a theory... I mean one connection things with numerous pieces of evidence towards it, like the rocket launch, are probably true. And working off of that solid enough foundation is the only real way forward. You can't simply broadly claim that there are no more theories to make or EE - lore tie-ins to find because that hasn't been directly confirmed by a developer... At some point, you just gotta do it yourself and stop waiting for a dev to tell you whats up. Idk why that isn't apparent.

[white patrol]

yes that's my thought too, so there's probably somethin idk about, why rock and cap hates it

[sharp flame]

It's a good thing I didn't say that there are no more theories to make, or no lore tie-ins to find.

I actively involve myself in searching for it.

I just don't think it's found.

[pure loom]

what do you mean "like the rocket launch"?

[white patrol]

ahh so it is trendy, got it!
I would hate it too, maybe I'm too out of touch, don't know much about "connected" universes stories

If they do it a trendy way, it will ruin the soul ngl

[pure loom]

in the same way that making more Star Wars stories isn't about making great stories anymore, it's purely about Disney making bank

[sharp flame]

I understand why they wouldn't want it. For example, if the games are connected, then both games are restricted in their storytelling. Instead of a mysterious past, for ARC, and a mysterious Meatspace for TF, if both of them are connected and known, then there's less storytelling possibilities for both.. cause they have to tie into each other

[white patrol]

(I never seen any Star Wars or Disney, if it is so much of a trend, I would dislike it)

[sharp flame]

If ARC and TF are connected then suddenly we know what the Meatspace is, and we know what the Space Humans are up to in ARC

and it's like, there's less to find out in BOTH games.

[pure loom]

but that doesn't take away that the first three movies were a good story

[sharp flame]

But also ARC and TF being connected would be sick

ARC drones in TF would be fun

[white patrol]

that's true, unless there's more depth and background, if they just straight up connects, it would be boring

[pure loom]

https://tenor.com/view/hurt-feelings-you-my-youhurtme-gif-19288543

[sharp flame]

You get it!

But they could do it right (like they are right now)

[vagrant mauve]

on spaceport there's literally evidence of a rocket having launched, or multiple, based on the clear signs of damage to the paint (via scraping), where the rocket would have made contact with the launchbay. Additionally, there is a completely different ground texture directly beneath where the rocket engines would have been. This also lines up with clues found throughout the game/art such as graffiti suggesting the poor got left behind, or the numerous cars stuck at the entrance of spaceport. This also lines up with TFEE space related clues we've gotten recently, such as the black knight nama. Which is why I work off the assumption that CNS is an early coalition of Arc Raiders, from before ARC attacked, that works to help the people in "The Finals" discover the truth of what has happened.

[vagrant mauve]

you ever tried to measure a shore line?

there's always more depth.

[sharp flame]

Oh, I thought it was a given that Rockets launched from Spaceport. That much was super obvious.

It's literally called Spaceport

[white patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/777910442541711371.webp?size=48

[vagrant mauve]

that doesn't mean much. Intention and results often don't line up in Aerospace... I know that one for a fact, as I have connections to IRL Aerospace.

[sharp flame]

There's an Arrivals and Departures building, and rocket parts lying all over. The logo indicated that's where people would take trips to space.

[pure loom]

I don't see those two things as connected myself. Sure TFEE has space stuff in it, but I don't think that's an argument to say that the Exodus rockets in AR relate to the space clues in TFEE

[sharp flame]

The layout of the Spaceport, with Arrivals only being on the Border Wall, also indicate that it was a 1-way trip

The heavily guarded wall around Spaceport was probably to keep the masses of population out, who were trying to get a spot on the shuttles.

Seeing the older technology in that building, humans must have left when computers were still the super-basic level that we see in-game.

CNS being retro could kinda fit with them being left on Earth with that retro technology

[vagrant mauve]

Most things in Arc can be paralleled to CNS/The Finals meta stuff/TFEE. There's a lot of connections, definitely speculative, but enough where I see a pattern. And patterns are almost never coincidental, people are too carefully random...

[sharp flame]

Speculative is the right word! The Space themes in the EE hunt could be pointing towards FINALS taking place in Space. That's defo possible

[vagrant mauve]

right... and so general thought isn't?? idk why you went off on this massive tangent ngl. Seems that you think the same as me... which is a general thought... which isn't a fact... 🤷‍♂️

[sharp flame]

I just said we can't treat it as fact that they're connected

there are no confirmations, and we shouldn't say that they ARE in the same story

[vagrant mauve]

...except the dev...

[sharp flame]

but it's possible!

[sharp flame]

the dev who was just agreeing with the question which said those games already had lore connections

[vagrant mauve]

yeah idk what to tell you. I'll trust that the devs know what they are talking about...

[sharp flame]

But they weren't talking, they said it was "known fact" referring to what WE know

he wasn't trying to confirm anything extra that we DON'T know haha

[white patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/764820888624300042.webp?size=28&animated=true

[sharp flame]

I don't even think he said they were connected, let me check

he actually just said that they have "a relation (to some degree)"

like the two games are related

[vagrant mauve]

dude idk what to tell you, look up the definition. Whatever mental gymnastics you're trying to play to justify the dev saying they're related doesn't mean they are related, I'm not following.

[sharp flame]

I'm just trying to put it nicely that the dev is just saying things casually and not actually trying to confirm anything

I'm going to continue looking for something more concrete, since this vague statement has kept me up for too long 😭😭

[vagrant mauve]

#1201288968562552863 message
Here. Idk how we're this locked out... If this doesn't do it for you idk what will. Bro is in fact speaking as himself

[fresh quiver]

@sharp flame any breakthroughs in the night? Just saw 446 new messages 🤣

[vagrant mauve]

Some new clues. Tho most of it is one of the worst discussions I've ever had the displeasure of partaking in, and is completely unnecessary to read

[fresh quiver]

were these from today/yesterday?

[sharp flame]

Yeah it sounds like he's saying "hands off I'm not telling you anything"

and not the opposite of "hehe it's all true"

[sharp flame]

I made headway on the Lost in Space clue, and Herodotus clue, both point to the origin of Continent names. Other than that, nothing big! Unless you missed the Hydra_Q billboard.

[fresh quiver]

nah. broke my head yesterday about the Leetspeak already. for me "TOLLD" does not make much sense for me. Files_not makes sense. but the last part as of now not

[sharp flame]

FILES-NOT_FOUND is super possible

I made an image where it lines up

[vagrant mauve]

Let me ask you, what would he be referring to by "let people discover for themselves"

[sharp flame]

Let people discover whether or not it's true for themselves

[gloomy anvil]

yesterday

[sharp flame]

and not, "I'm telling you right now it's true, let's wait for everyone to find that out too"

[fresh quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/grrr-bambi-cute-angry-gif-13414190

[fresh quiver]

thought about it too yesterday... only II as U confused me hella

[sharp flame]

Not the craziest thing ever! The two vertical lines line up

And for leet, things are usually about that loose

same with |) for n

[fresh quiver]

I agree with you. Files_not_found is the most valid thing we would get out of it. And it would make sense

[sharp flame]

I was really trying for other combinations though, but they just made no sense

Occam's Razor, right?

[fresh quiver]

Files_not_found was the only conclusion for myself yesterday aswell.

[sharp flame]

Do you reckon HYDRA_Q is related to CNS or a Sponsor?

There is a HYDRA_Q_LOGO.JPEG

[fresh quiver]

In theory "hydra" is a Bruteforce/Dictionary attack tool for Linux.
But -Q is not a attribute for it. Only -q for quiet.

Thought yesterday that Hydra_Q could be an attack of CNS/attached to CNS

[sharp flame]

Interesting. Not sure why it would be a jpeg, and have a logo, then

But to be fair, some notorious attacks have "logos"

[vagrant mauve]

I legitimately just don't think you know what "relatively known fact" means. Like in the slightest. Def: relatively known fact means that yes!!! It is a fact!!! And that it is somewhat common knowledge, but not widely known by every single person. That is the only interpretation of that string of words. It is "commonly, in respect to EE/lore people," "understood" to be "true". Idk how I could make this simpler to understand. He then follows that up with another sentence reinforcing the idea that he described us as an "in-group" where many people didn't already know that context of the world. Legitimately, if you're still confused, I don't know what to tell you.

[sharp flame]

I appreciate that you see it that way. I don't! I'm still not going to use that statement as confirmation. Maybe you can ask him to clarify?

[white patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/809735097917243393.webp?size=48

[vagrant mauve]

Bro... Like, English has a dictionary. This isn't a puzzle... Just read. And if you're not sure, just dictionary...

[white patrol]

I just finish cooking, how is that topic still continuing

it's it simple? nothing concrete unless eyes from rob

[vagrant mauve]

We cannot be fr rn

[white patrol]

idk what to disagree here

[fresh quiver]

you want to discuss this in OT?

[sharp flame]

Good news is, I'm ready to start looking into L3 again

[white patrol]

glad to have you back fish!

[sharp flame]

We have a whole #📕┇lore channel that's sitting there too

[fresh quiver]

thats the other OT channel

[sharp flame]

Nice to see you too! I need to sleep as I basically pulled an all nighter with this convo

It's 8AM 🔥

[white patrol]

idk should I say nini or good morning to you any more
rest well phish🕯️

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/747245673631449109.webp?size=48

[sharp flame]

Someone find the Vespucci connection while I'm gone please

For context, just look up the last time "Vespucci" was said and it should take you back a few hours

#easter-eggs message

[fresh quiver]

easy

Vespucci.

Amerigo Vespucci.

America

If counting on okkhams razor. this would be the most simple explanation

[sharp flame]

No I know but Vespucci isn't a clue

We need a clue that points to him

[fresh quiver]

So. find the connection between a clue and vespucci?

got it

Had we got Discovery (shuttle) as clue?

[sharp flame]

Yep! Like how we have the Herodotus clue for the fact that he named Asia

and we have the Lost in Space clue for Europa

[fresh quiver]

im not sure about all clues we have 😂

[sharp flame]

Honestly just hover around the Miro

That's how I found the other Continent connections

[fresh quiver]

normally ye.s xD

Vespucci -> Age of Discovery -> Discovery (shuttle?

[sharp flame]

Would have to be the other way round but yeah!

[sharp flame]

I think that's definitely a possibility

[inland hemlock]

discover.exe!! there's an X in exe... i think we are done with the hunt fellas.... it was the game all along

[fresh quiver]

still one of the easiest. Came direct into my mind. But will read more into Vespucci for a bit

[fresh quiver]

ther cartographers followed suit, securing the tradition of marking the name "America" on maps of the newly discovered continents.

Vespucci gave America its name. Not Columbus.

(Learned smth new today lol)

Traditionally, Vespucci's voyages are referred to as the "first" through "fourth", even by historians who dismiss one or more of the trips.

[unkempt dune]

There's still that four-leaf clover charm that was shown off in the Fortune Stadium video (https://youtu.be/qoqIfTcFx0o) that has not been seen elsewhere yet.

I'd say it seems possible that it could be a reward similar to the dolphin charm

considering we didn't get it on St. Patrick's Day this year

[white patrol]

the map has cover as icon iirc

or something similar?

4 leaf clover is mentioned in commentary from june too

[unkempt dune]

it's a four-leaf clover

[white patrol]

yeye

[velvet narwhal]

There are a lot of three-leaf clovers on monaco. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a single four-leaf clover hidden there

[unkempt dune]

this is the clover icon from Fortune Stadium

not the greatest shot of it, but it's better than nothing

[white patrol]

it is good enough!

[unkempt dune]

I find it a bit funny that the heavy in front has the cosmetic number 8 (8 = X in leet speak)

[alpine junco]

Could be an activated Ee reward

[cedar carbon]

Has anyone started working on the Hydra_Q error that pops up on billboards, and has anything been found in relation to it yet?

[unkempt dune]

that's what I'm currently thinking

[gloomy anvil]

There's been some talk about the sys error code, and what it might say

"FILE-NOT_FOUND" or along those lines

Rob also suggested CNS is involved/related to it #1332758896594387066 message

[cedar carbon]

Thanks for the info ❤️

[alpine junco]

"audentes Fortuna iuvat"

[unkempt dune]

probably those who take a "giant leap of faith" 😏

[alpine junco]

Fortune stadium circuit

[unkempt dune]

The sector numbers could be connected to that thought

[velvet narwhal]

Fortune Stadium also has 4 separate platforms (not really in the shape of a clover tho)

[gloomy anvil]

I'm a long-time believer that you just need to find a 4-leaf clover somewhere in the clover patches to unlock that charm

[alpine junco]

there is also a hidden flower, singular

somewhere

#1201288968562552863 message

[unkempt dune]

We still don't know what "The Promise" from Level 2 is referring to, do we?

[gloomy anvil]

It's theorized that it refers to the reward of the hunt, aka what we're hunting for. Since the solution to level 2 was golden egg, and level 3 is about hunting golden eggs, that seems to make sense.

[unkempt dune]

Fair enough

[worn rivet]

And lvl 4 will be about opening the eggs🤯

[unkempt dune]

I remember the 404 page with the Nama Tama being the only mention of a promise before we finished level 2

[worn rivet]

Burrw was a diamond hint right?

[gloomy anvil]

personally I suspect the reason Rob chose the words "commence" and "promise" was so they'd total 19 with "hunt"

while being cryptic and mysterious enough to work as level names

[worn rivet]

Why 19

[alpine junco]

sliescetaceaasconce is 19

[gloomy anvil]

yep, so is

• rabbit dolphin monkey
• commence promise hunt
• monaco las vegas seoul (or kyoto)

19 split into 3 parts has been a theme and was a major clue during L3 activation

[worn rivet]

First golden egg in Europe (Monaco)
Second in north America (Bernal or vegas)
Third in asia (Seoul or Kyoto)

@glad lake don't use 👀 pls, u got exited for a moment🫠

[worn rivet]

Those are fine haha

[glad lake]

AH

So sorry I forgor

:'D

[worn rivet]

I suspect Vegas over Bernal tho, because its been there longer, and it matches with the 19

[worn rivet]

All good

[glad lake]

Combined with the 3 namas this sounds plausible. Each Nama giving a hint towards the passwords associated to those levels? I'd also put my money down on Vegas and Seoul.

[alpine junco]

also a lot of stuff has been in the game since release but never found
ex: dusty graffiti, the 4 letters, monaco graffiti, etc

[glad lake]

Has there really been much stuff found on Seoul? EE whise overall. It feels weird that Skyway, Monaco & Las Vegas have so much going on and I cannot from the top of my head remember any hints etc. that have been found there?

[gloomy anvil]

Just the white rabbits and CB1 Trismegistus binary
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Seoul_Secrets

[worn rivet]

4 letters?

[alpine junco]

on vegas, which are a password

[worn rivet]

Password for L3?

[alpine junco]

yup

[worn rivet]

And we didn't find it? We suck man🫠

[glad lake]

hmm thank you! I might try and look around on it during the Weekend and see if there is stuff that hasnt been noted down yet

[glad lake]

Wait I thought its 4 letters that are IN the Password? Imo that's not a whole lot to go off.

[worn rivet]

Idk

[white patrol]

just saw someone's game play, what is this?

[fresh quiver]

@sharp flame addition to Vespucci for later:

I went from Vespucci to Cosmographiae Introductio.

The book and map contain the first mention of the term 'America'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmographiae_Introductio

[wicked pier]

Has it been considered that the _ in HYDRA_Q is actually a missing letter

like HYDRACQ(uatic)

[opal pond]

If this is monaco its probably that little house on the yellow pad that got destroyed and a piece of debris got flung

[fresh quiver]

not sure about it. But good thinking

[white patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaGJT1LzqjQ
mind take a look pirate? just don't want to miss anything
4:25

[fresh quiver]

Bet we would probably get further if we finally could solve who our mystery man is

[opal pond]

Its probably debris from this building, since you can see some destruction on the right

[white patrol]

ahh I see, thanks pirate!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1341374199020785725.webp?size=48

[wicked pier]

hydra (animal)
-3+ heads
-water snake (latin-greek)

hydr(ogen)
-invisible
-tasteless
-flammable gas
-simplest chemical element
-ALWAYS COLORED BLUE IN EVERY CHEMISTRY GRAPHIC
-you need 2 + oxygen for water

similiarities with the 3 headed monkey...
-3+ heads
-invisible (at a distance)

other similarities:
-blue (skyway stadium? iseult? the funny fish shirt from the battlepass?)

also monaco is one that has water in its background... and monkeys are on monaco...

[alpine junco]

generators dont turn off anymore

[glad lake]

they did something in the first place? :O

[white patrol]

they spark different colors

upon breaking

[glad lake]

wait am I going crazy? you can break the Generators?

[crisp eagle]

But of a stretch but we have STS-88 = Endeavor
-Endeavor was named after the ship used in James Cook’s First voyage
-On his third voyage there was a consort ship called HMS Discovery
-Amerigo Vespucci was during the Age of Discovery

Just thinking out loud

[white patrol]

yes, they were breakable but they stopped breaking after a update for unknow reasons, there's a generator EE, not sure if they are gone

[fresh quiver]

but you tried it with nighttime correct? just to be sure xD

[glad lake]

huh interesting I didnt know!

[alpine junco]

yup

night time monaco doesnt turn off, neither does practice range

[white patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/764820888624300042.webp?size=28&animated=true

[dull marsh]

Rob said that in S6 we were getting dragons, what if it's about the hydra from Hydra-Q?

[white patrol]

did rob say s6 or s7? s6 should be this season tho, there's no dragons unless he is talking about dragonfly or some EE hidden..

nvm ludo I'm dumb :3 didn't see the hydra part

where this sound from? I keep hearing these but idk the source of it

it just randomly appear, multiple times, pipe dropping sounds

[velvet narwhal]

could be the crane in construction breaking

[dull marsh]

That was before S6 launch 🤔

[white patrol]

that's not the construction variant tho

[white patrol]

wait is hydra snake or dragon ludo?

[glad lake]

Greek mythology? a Snake

[white patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/747245673631449109.webp?size=48

[glad lake]

Modern Depictions of the Hydra make it a semi Dragon with a body that has legs etc. (DnD/Disney Hercules etc.)

But the Hydra in its inception is a snake through and through.

[white patrol]

damn vpn

okie okie I see, ty

[burnt sun]

a hydra is basically a serpentine lake monster. old greek: ὕδρα hýdra = watersnake, water animal - ὕδωρ hýdōr = water
also Carl von Linné (which we had a hint for so far) described the Hydra in the Systema Naturae as a watersnake too

[white patrol]

So if we interpret it that way.. it's another water clue relates to rose

Rose EE and lore might actually be heavily connected then

[burnt sun]

That's true - I'm thinking of something very different due to robs hint though - because its a paradoxon ..
which is the right rabbit hole? :D I'm finding multiple connections to either idea ..

[white patrol]

There's a fire hydrant in front of Argon casino (where the damaged LED sign spells serpentes [Snake's suborder])
that's water + snake, Argon 39 being the most well connected theory made by @dull marsh
multiple people trigger EE.. hmm

[white patrol]

only 3 of these exist in front of argon in entire vegas, the part of argon casino where spell serpentes

(I haven't found another one except these 3)

things relates to 3, 269, NPK, Less More More

[white patrol]

I can't read anything from here except water, maybe skipt

[crisp eagle]

Looks like “Skirt” maybe. But that’s weird. That’s a water main cover plate, and usually the only text on them is the city or state they are in. Maybe a company name sometimes.

[simple raft]

Before Season 6 started, Rob had written ‘Has anyone seen the dragon?’ what does that mean? Where are the dragons? Has it been explained?

[alpine junco]

off was nothing demolished / on was after demolishing everything at Zaraby

[hard geyser]

what is this?

[dusk siren]

Oh, yeah! Death by Rhodent is surely a reference to the plague, right?!

[fading vigil]

What if the whole roses ee is about Rob’s fiancé and evolution of relationship? (waterdance, for example)
That will describe the “ee growing”

[rugged breach]

I wanna say the "growing" part plays into "roses are available in all maps", so it's literally growing in scope every time a new map is added

[velvet narwhal]

we don't know yet

[crisp eagle]

The dang final days of the Rose EE (for now). I’m sad. I think Rob said something about the appearance of a hidden door right before they go away in season 7, right?

[dusk siren]

Per @sharp flame's theory, if ASIA might have originally been pointing to HERODOTUS (before Rob clued us on him more directly) as the first person to suggest or use the name for the continent, perhaps the parallel would be to Martin Waldseemüller for (North) America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Waldseemüller

Similarly for the first person to use and suggest "Europe" as the name for that continent.

[sharp flame]

I wonder if that's the case. I have no idea which way round it is

[dusk siren]

Unfortunately, the origin of the name Europe is mysterious

[sharp flame]

Lost in Space --> Jupiter II --> Europa clue, no?

unless you wanted to dig even deeper than that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_continent_name_etymologies

This page has all the info on Europe ^

[hard geyser]

is the hidden door this one?

[dusk siren]

Well, I guess my thought process was like this:

• Level 3 started with the clues to "EUROPE", "NORTH AMERICA", "ASIA"
• Your current theory is that ASIA could have gotten us straight to HERODOTUS and from there to SILK ROAD
• The equivalent for EUROPE would be that it could have gotten us straight to EUROPA and from there to LOST IN SPACE
• The equivalent for NORTH AMERICA could be that it could have gotten us straight to Amerigo Vespucci or, perhaps, this Waldseemüller guy, and on from there.
  Is that a fair assessment of your thought process so far?

[sharp flame]

Actually, my initial thought is the opposite...

we had the Continents and that was all we needed

[dusk siren]

but why?

[sharp flame]

the later images just re-directed us back to these Continents, is what I mean

[dusk siren]

seems like the starting point

[sharp flame]

that was the style of Level 2, where the later images just redirected us back to Image 1 clues, in a convoluted way

[hard geyser]

this is how the practice range thing looks like out of bounds

[sharp flame]

so by the end of it, simple things like "Asteroid" and "79" and simple ideas, were referenced like 6 times over in every image

even from image number 1

[dusk siren]

That's good context... poor Rob, though, if he has to keep pointing us back to very obvious clues from image 1 without instead giving us clues on what to do with the original obvious clues in the first place.

[hard geyser]

what is this flag?

[sharp flame]

Monaco haha

[hard geyser]

ok

dang it i forgot

[sharp flame]

Yeah, although this isn't like Level 2!

Rob said those Level 2 ones were "Easy" but admits this one is very hard

it makes sense if the Continent clues were pointing us towards the origin of the continents

[dusk siren]

I think that's all I was suggesting above

I'm gonna (for once) try to be systematic in tracing some possible follow-ons from your North America insight.

[hard geyser]

has anyone else seen this before right next to the roses?

[velvet narwhal]

that has always been there

[hard geyser]

i do not remember seeing it in like s4, but maybe i didnt notice it

i can't destroy it

the rpg gets stuck drilling it for a moment

[velvet narwhal]

i think the model got updated in s3 or s4

[hard geyser]

ók

does it do anything? is it just a prop?

deforestation

[dusk siren]

Seems like this guy, Marinus of Tyre, should be considered given the longitudes and latitudes we got on the landing page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marinus_of_Tyre

Fortunate Isles (like the "islands" on Fortune Stadium?) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortunate_Isles

[dark anchor]

anyone else see this door near the bots firing at each other

[dark anchor]

oh nvm we dont know yet

[ashen musk]

did someone noticed that ?

[fading vigil]

Hey, what if we should think about water? Not continents?
Too much water nowadays in clues

Oceans or seas

[hard geyser]

i saw that too

[ashen musk]

i think it's only here

[hard moss]

#easter-eggs message
First mention here

[opaque thistle]

hYDRA?

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-avengers-avengers-endgame-hail-hydra-gif-14699413

[calm igloo]

EmbarkOscar: Anyone seen the big door in the practice range btw?

https://www.twitch.tv/neongutz/clip/CrypticKnottyFishOpieOP-TAa4Gxd3Yfa5dGow

There is something out in the void

Neon is discovering it live rn

[alpine junco]

no easter eggs are oob

[low escarp]

tbf vaiya grid is oob and its part of an ee

[alpine junco]

practice range wise

[vagrant mauve]

That's... Just not the same

[sharp flame]

yep. That's technically in-bounds, looking outwards, not actually walking around OOB

[low escarp]

fair

[alpine junco]

also that

[sharp flame]

@fresh quiver

https://www.universeguide.com/star/121044/kepler1324
The whole star Kepler 1324 has that exact Right Ascension

[hard current]

interesting….

[sharp flame]

I found something!

so this star "Kepler 1324", the name might be the clue. The star itself is unremarkable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linz <- !

Kepler discovered "Kepler's laws of planetary motion" in the town of Linz, established in 1324

[white patrol]

Yeah, it is weird, right? It should say Las Vegas? Also, morning pib!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1341374199020785725.webp?size=48

Oh boy, we have a lot of new faces today! S7 going to be even more

[white patrol]

The generator was "breakable" when it is enough damaged, it will spark, but after an update in S5 or S4, the property is gone now https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1191559098420969542

[dusk siren]

gotta be, right?!

I was trying to make progress in the Kepler direction a couple weeks ago. It seems like so many things point to him. But what Kepler-related clues has Rob eyed so far? Feels like he's ignored so many. 😢

• Does sand come into this room in the "Sandstorm" variant? (Thinking of how the Monaco nama tama was found in the "Duck and Cover" variant - btw, was the duck looking down at the "covered" nama tama the whole time?)
• The initials "F.L." in the lower right a "Fear and Loathing" reference? "EE Hunter" S. Thompson reference?

[alpine junco]

yeah the room has a bit of sand

[dusk siren]

Enough to hide a nama tama? (I really gotta stop being so optimistic. When will I learn?)

Seoul "Under Construction" variant... nama tama literally or metaphorically under some construction?

[dusk siren]

Maybe I just have this question in the back of my mind.

[white patrol]

did you try password hedd OIL?

[alpine junco]

yup, on all of them

[white patrol]

Or maybe HedD since East wooD and another one format the same

I don't have access to password website lol

[rugged breach]

Firewall?

[white patrol]

Oh, my bad I mean, I don't have password to access website, hehe... after all these time, I still can't remember

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/758525386047881257.webp?size=48

[rugged breach]

Lmao, it's sliescetaceaasconce

Rabbit dolphin monkey clues in order

[white patrol]

ahh I see!! I will put it in my notebook this time! thanks tox!

[dusk siren]

Silk... and WOOL? (and what's the deal with the italicized golden era?)

Probably too many random associations floating in my head now. Might just be imagining a golden fleece reference.

[lone wave]

What if the Q from Hydra_Q meant "cue" like "launch"

[dusk siren]

• 4429 = AD 29, the Year of the Consulship of Geminus and Geminus?
• 4492 = AD 92, the Year of the Consulship of Augustus and Saturninus?
  GGAS? I only posted it because of the "gas" association with the image and DISSUN

[alpine junco]

9/2/1944

[dusk siren]

In the wikipedia list of gases, only a few "g gases":

• Germane is the chemical compound with the formula GeH4, and the germanium analogue of methane.
• Germanium tetrafluoride (GeF4) is a chemical compound of germanium and fluorine. It is a colorless gas.
• Germyl methyl ether is a chemical compound with the formula GeH3OCH3
• Gallane, also systematically named trihydridogallium, is an inorganic compound of gallium with the chemical formula GaH3. It is a photosensitive, colourless gas that cannot be concentrated in pure form. Gallane is both the simplest member of the gallanes, and the prototype of the monogallanes. It has no economic uses, and is only intentionally produced for academic reasons.

[dusk siren]

I think I tried all the more recent dates I could think of previously, but failed to make any connections that would stick. It would be great if someone else could, though.

Also, the Miro already has that one suggestion of taking the difference 4492 - 4429 = 63 ---> ? (ascii)

Maybe it's already "solved" in that sense. 🤷 was just trying to think further outside the box.

I mean, "44" as "AD" (half leet, half just 4=D) was pretty weak to begin with.

[alpine junco]

Chromium
Boiling point 2944 K

[fallow agate]

What’s the reward for finding all the Golden Namas?

[burnt sun]

The friends you made along the way

[fallow agate]

It’s still worth it for Nama

Do I need the spray from the BP to find it like the one Ludo found?

[burnt sun]

No - the spray contains a hint but its not needed to spray it ingame

So as long as you just look at it here or on any website, you know as much as anyone else :D

[gloomy anvil]

the reward is using them to solve level 3 passwords

[fallow agate]

So there is just a random Nama on Monaco and Seoul? Am I missing any other maps?

[fading vigil]

You are missing the search button and wiki

[gloomy anvil]

bringing this back

It's possible each X for each MW.AREA corresponds to a who / what / where, relating to each area's Golden Nama

[dusk siren]

First people to apply the names as representing entire continents according to Wikipedia entries (all debatable):

• Europe - "As a name for a part of the known world, it is first used in the 6th century BCE by Anaximander and Hecataeus."
• North America - "America" as a place in present-day South America, Martin Waldseemüller and Matthias Ringmann; as a region inclusive of present-day North America, Gerardus Mercator.
• Asia - "One of the first writers to use Asia as a name of the whole continent was Pliny [the Elder]."

[gloomy anvil]

The "I WE WHO" clue could have an additional meaning that is to lead us into the 5 Ws "who what when where why" (but we only care about those 3).

Also, now this is a stretch, but since the Level 1 Xs were accessible as individual URLs, that could be a subtle hint at www -> who what where.

[dusk siren]

Far be it from me to push for anything, especially if others are going to do the work, but maybe a section of the Miro and/or dedicated thread(s) for the three golden nama tamas?

Cuz the idea seems so good.

[burnt sun]

Since we have 1 Nama found and connected to a continent, we could possibly verify that idea

[gloomy anvil]

more about them on the Miro would be good. I think we should keep it front and center in #easter-eggs for now though since it seems to be the driving theory behind level 3

actually if you mean a thread for hunting them, that's a good call, we had that for WR, Dolphins, and 3HM

oop I forgot we already do https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1289459770063065088

[rugged breach]

Added it to the level 3 section on #1336838311305810130 as well now

Used to be just misc

[snow walrus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_gold_rush

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gold_nuggets_by_size

[dusk siren]

Maybe how you got here, but I was just looking at the Golden Nugget Casino, its sign, where it might fit on the in-game Las Vegas map, and the "Hand of Faith" gold nugget is purportedly exhibited in the lobby there.

[snow walrus]

Rob used to send triangles

[dusk siren]

Do you already know whether one of the casinos in the Finals Las Vegas map is the Golden Nugget? Was that something people figured out early on?

[snow walrus]

I have this
#1182955042416893984 message

[dusk siren]

I think gold rushes are a very interesting potential thread. Victoria, Yukon, San Francisco... the New World

[snow walrus]

Sandstorm is a special variant we have a suspicion that one of the golden namas might be in there

[dusk siren]

yeah, I'm sure it's not so simple, but I was asking above whether the combination of the X on the "Masterplan Markup" map and the "Sandstorm" variant might give us the same kind of situation as with the X on the first "Lost Legacy" map and the "Duck and Cover" variant on Monaco.

[dusk siren]

Your image matches perfectly with the grandstand, but not with notable casinos. Even though that grandstand stage is further down the street, if I had to pick between keeping the grandstand where it is or keeping the casinos where they are, I might pick the casinos and move the grandstand. Even wikipedia seems to group the following four casinos (not that the real world casinos necessarily have anything to do with the EE hunt).

Includes the Golden Nugget, though, is maybe the main point for this conversation.

fwiw...
Argon = Golden Nugget
Glamora = 4 Queens
Eastwood = Fremont
Zaraby = Binions
* Sorry if this was established early on

[snow walrus]

I mean the style is very similar with golden nugget

[dusk siren]

Yeah, I think all the styles match pretty well (except Zaraby, probably, if I'm being honest).

[snow walrus]

probably mentioned earlier but it's been a while so worth to refresh memories :D

[dusk siren]

I wasn't sure before, but now that you point it out, I guess the Hand of Faith gold nugget would be in the lobby of the Argon if the correspondence holds, at all.

Gold Nama Tama in the lobby of the Argon Casino during the Sandstorm? Nah, couldn't be...

Doesn't seem like the namesake of Fremont Street in Las Vegas was looked into. Pretty interesting guy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Frémont

[gloomy anvil]

If MW.AREA #1 = Europe, and we have a Golden Nama in a European cathedral (Monaco), that could tie back into the Pisa Cathedral (Italy) from Tier 1A, which has the marble egg that the sun shines on at noon on the March equinox.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pisa_Cathedral

[dusk siren]

"Frémont and his almost 40 well-equipped men left the Missouri River in May after he controversially obtained a 12-pound howitzer cannon in St. Louis."
Lines like this are why wikipedia is the best.

[dusk siren]

What can we say about the Monaco gold nama tama itself? I recall it wearing the "Descartes' Demon" mask to the side of its head, but someone posted a refresher image of the gold nama tama in the cathedral ruins in the last couple days, and at a glance, it didn't look to me like it resembled what I remembered it being.
Any thoughts?

[inland hemlock]

i wonder if the order means something...

[gloomy anvil]

sorry had to sneak the gif in there I like it

[inland hemlock]

it is very good

[dusk siren]

Reverse chronological order?

Future LV (Hunter S. Thompson) -> recent past Monaco (F1 headset? + Descartes' Demon?) -> feudal Kyoto (Samurai)?

[inland hemlock]

yessss buuuut, if "WHO - WHAT - WHERE" gives us a password pattern maybe the order could mean something

[dusk siren]

I should wait for confirmation, but in case it's something, this was the first interesting "Descartes" AND "Monaco" link I found.
* Has both an F1 and Descartes connection, fwiw
https://touchstamps.com/Issue/Details/77669/12th-grand-prix-of-magic-monte-carlo

[inland hemlock]

actually i think im mixing up theories ooopsie

[dusk siren]

The fact that the nama tama that one would presume is the Las Vegas nama tama has the Hunter S. Thompson shades, I think the rare chance that the "F.L." in the lower right of "Masterplan Markup" would fit as a "Fear and Loathing" nod.

Maybe those aren't really the Hunter S. Thompson shades, though

ofc, if the Las Vegas and Monaco nama tamas were so on the nose, I would imagine the third one is on Kyoto and not Seoul as some of us have been debating/trying to decide.

I mean, not at all controversial for some, as the 2nd Lost Legacy map fits Kyoto and not Seoul, imho

A shame that Kyoto doesn't have a unique "variant" like Las Vegas and Monaco, or am I forgetting something?

That's the assumption I've been working under. The shades on the gold nama tama don't exactly match the ones from the beta image, though, imo. That was my only source of doubt.

[gloomy anvil]

Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing, and the reference Nama from beta. (just collecting them in one place)

repost sorry

got the wrong person before

[dusk siren]

nah, all good. much appreciated, as always

[inland hemlock]

the Lost Legacy stickers are (not in order) Vegas, Monaco, Kyoto but the eggos are Seoul, Monaco, Kyoto, i wonder if we need to overlay the masterplan markup sticker somewhere on Seoul? i don't really have anything to back this off, just a thought.

[dusk siren]

Yeah, now that I think of it, the nama tama in shades would seem to correspond to this dude. Just a question of whether it could be a reference to both.

[dusk siren]

mmm... I think I see. So it's almost an I-seult dude and that is the Seoul hint?

[gloomy anvil]

I'm working under the assumption that the eggs are in Monaco, Vegas, and either Seoul or Kyoto (but not both)

[dusk siren]

I was, too, but I'm ready to be convinced otherwise.

[inland hemlock]

maaaybe using this #easter-eggs message it hints toward the masterplan markup sticker, and the puffy jacket towards seoul? so "use vegas to find egg in Seoul"

[dusk siren]

whoa! radical... that's one way to square that circle

Seoul 2023 - Las Vegas 2032... not implying anything, just laying it out

[inland hemlock]

also that theory could explain why the path on the Masterplan Markup is so weird, because we need to follow it on another map

[dusk siren]

"overlay some maps" time?

[inland hemlock]

worth a shot?

[dusk siren]

https://www.tasteatlas.com/provolone-del-monaco

[inland hemlock]

(i've had this once lol)

[dusk siren]

Golden eggs?

[inland hemlock]

golden cheese

[dusk siren]

Got there via "Monaco" and "Vico" (Descartes' Demon?), fwiw...
yeah, I don't believe it either... and yet..

[dusk siren]

I'm jealous... looks good and I'm hungry

[inland hemlock]

btw by Monaco they mean Monk "Provolone of the Monk", just putting this here, take it as you will

[dusk siren]

Made me think of this dude, with the hooded cowl, looking like a monk...

[dusk siren]

I didn't know that at first... I was thinking, what the heck is the connection to Monaco?

[dusk siren]

anyway, yours was a very interesting idea if your theory is right. try to figure out if that path in the Las Vegas floorplan can tell us something about a location on Seoul?

[gloomy anvil]

• XY = where
• RR = who/what
• 1X2 = who/what

[dusk siren]

I WE WHO / WHAT WHEN WHERE / WHY?

I = Monaco? (Referred to by the Ligurians as Monoikos, from the Greek "μόνοικος", "single house", from "μόνος" (monos) "alone, single" + "οἶκος" (oikos) "house".)
WE = Las Vegas? Seoul? (???? Wega, another name for Vega, the star in the constellation Lyra?)
WHO = Kyoto? (Hōō, as in the Japanese name for fenghuang or Chinese Phoenixes? Mount Hōō, and because the mountain has three peaks, sometimes called Hōō Sanzan (鳳凰三山)?) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenghuang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Hōō

[unborn pilot]

Noticing here. who (all lowercase) What (capital W) WHERE (all caps). No coincidences with Rob.

[dusk siren]

Definintely not putting stock in this. Hope a bit of spitballin' is permitted in modest amounts

Probably noted, but "WE" could be a letter in addition to "I" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_(Cyrillic)

Also an obsolete Japanese kana character. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_(kana)

[fading vigil]

I we who
Ivy who?

[dusk siren]

Other "whos" (e.g., "hu", et al.):

The random associations are infuriating... huevos... the Gothic letter 𐍈

[dusk siren]

If we're talking WHEN, definitely three distinct periods:

1. Post-Modern Era (Seoul 2023, Las Vegas 2032) = hyper-materialism, hyper-consumerism, advanced capitalism, anti-war (Hunter S. Thompson), the fallacy of "the end of history"
2. Modern Era (Monaco 2014) = modern era, beginning with the Age of Reason (Descartes), Industrial Revolution, modern military technologies and conflict, modern religion (Monaco Cathedral), competition (Monaco grand prix), modern technology (radio communications)
3. Pre-modern era (Kyoto 1568) = samurai, knights, epic heroes... you get the gist
   * The fact that the figures gets smaller with each era perhaps a comment on the erosion of the nobility of the soul
   * Noted previously, but eras are often spoken of in terms of "dawns" (the dawning of the Age of Reason) and sometimes "nights" (benighted ages, e.g., the Dark Ages)
   * If we're talking "dawns" and recalling ludo's Rob-endorsed idea of 3 "dawns" amongs the Las Vegas casinos, I would suggest Glamora (the superficial) = Post-modern era, Argon (science) = modern era, Eastwood (Far East + wood = Kyoto; Clint Eastwood as the mythical epic hero in A Fistfull of Dollars, a Yojimbo remake, etc.) = pre-modern era... yeah, it's a stretch.

[white patrol]

who (nothing)
What (W)
WHERE(all)

is it a direction?
"To West"?

[dusk siren]

1X2 might be better as a when (a year or date)... it would be nice if we could treat the X before the RR as distinct from the X after the RR, though

I did like your I WE WHO / WHAT WHEN WHERE idea, just continuing on with the so-called "5 W's," though we'd need WHAT WHERE WHEN or WHERE WHAT WHEN, if 1X2 is a WHEN.

XY as a WHAT or WHERE and RR as a WHAT or WHERE, but perhaps just over things that can be signified with two letters (e.g., some elements)?

Just to illustrate, not based on clues, and throwing WHO into the mix: RR (who) -----> CC = Christopher Columbus; 1X2 (when) -----> 1492; XY (what/where) ------> ??? (Europe to North America = EN? the New World = NW?); put together = ENCC1492 or NWCC1492.
Thanks, I hate it.

[fresh quiver]

Hehehehehe 😄

[white patrol]

did anyone found reference to this light statue? don't this look like lanza from Arc raiders?

[unkempt dune]

it's kind of funny how tinyurl.com/xyRR1x2 does exist, but it doesn't seem to lead to a relevant page

[white heron]

man been a bit, last time i talk for the ee i was at peit, the bridge and the hex game, can someone tell me where we at i have lookd at the miro but nothing has changed

and as a thing in 2 weeks ish i got y11 exams but once i finished that i may put more time into the ee hunt

[fresh quiver]

We have all the clues we need 💀 🥲

[white heron]

like?

[fresh quiver]

Like all that are on the Miro etc

Else we don’t know

[white heron]

whats the password thing for the finals website ee

[fresh quiver]

The password for tfeelevel3?

sliescetaceaasconce

[white heron]

nup

[low escarp]

🍀 clover

[alpine junco]

https://tenor.com/view/pain-screaming-akira-anime-jenochupapica-gif-10990110972560119364

[white patrol]

what hint/clue/connections do we have so far relates to apollo?

[shadow shore]

maybe a door that leads to another door? 🤔

[inland hemlock]

"door"
"door, here"

[shadow shore]

keys open doors. i wonder if something inside that trophy case is a key

[white patrol]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Félicette

could this be?

also, a interesting list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animals_in_space

[snow walrus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Dorado_County,_California
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_W._Marshall
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fricot_Nugget
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Country

Meteor Showers event

[random portal]

Sadly, there is no better image to get the text below the title
Map: Monaco 2014
Mode: Powershift
1 Min before end.

Something about "Hydra_Q.JPEG" is this already known or a fist-time`? (was in a hustle not to die :-/)

https://i.imgur.com/aRoavnT.jpeg

ok... nvm I found it in the history: #1332758896594387066 message

[white patrol]

It is known, but thanks for sharing!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/747245673631449109.webp?size=48

[frank timber]

Concerning dragons and water. Am I right that other Waterdance’s in-game nickname is Waterdragon??

[crisp eagle]

Didn't we have maps that had like grid on it? I went to the community maps we have, and thought we had a grid for them and that's how Rob hinted where our last 3HM was

Ok yea we did use grid coordinates like I thought. I just don't see them on our map site. Can anyone help me find those? I have an idea on finding a golden nama

[flat sonnet]

It also slows you down for some reason if you run towards it

[velvet narwhal]

#1211002564015824906 message
Don't know if we have made them for the other maps

[gloomy anvil]

It's interesting that the golden nama is in E6 on this grid. (E6=EG=EGG?)

[lone wave]

Omg it’s a backdoor from CNS??
Remember when we could get OOB in the practice range and find a CNS cluster of white cubes?

[crisp eagle]

Ok so I have some kind of theory forming. BigOil pointed out how in From_Embark__With___Love image it appears the girl is looking right at the room with D2 at Dragon Studios. The meeting room. Also that D2 in chess is The Queen's Pawn. Now we have our Hydra_Q clues popping up.
-Dragon Studios and Queen's Pawn
-Hydra and Q
both mythical serpents along with Q for Queen maybe? We've also had Rob hint at there being a Golden Nama on Skyway in chat here, and we've been pushed back to specifically Dragon Studios on Skyway a few times with that image as well as the three contestants hidden on the Keyart that are standing on top of Dragon Studios. Maybe D2 is the map coordinate we use to find a Golden Nama Tama and she's looking at it like the Greek statue was looking at one on Monaco that Ludo found from the first Lost Legacy

[lone wave]

Arc Raiders reference, right? lol

[crisp eagle]

Also Dragon Studios has a few Hydrangeas throughout the building. Hydra maybe?

This is also where the girl is standing in From_Embark__With___Love image, facing the other way. This door is always open at the start of a match

[lone wave]

This is the FIRST time I see square flower pots in this game, am I this blind?

[crisp eagle]

I am haha OYE

[peak dove]

Just jump to 0:45 i don't know if it means something or if you guys already knew it, I just was trying not to fall lol.

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/sbJhT65K9X

[fading vigil]

Naah, we don’t need to go out of bounds to search for something

[fading vigil]

In the studio there is a master plan of a floor. On one of the corners inside

Maybe it can somehow be similar to the lost legacy map?

[crisp eagle]

On the whiteboards?

[fading vigil]

No, like a evacuation plan

[crisp eagle]

Oh ok yea I think I know what you're talking about! That's a good idea

[fading vigil]

The casino and dragon studio both have one corner cut

On casino it’s the entrance, on dragon studio - jumpad is on that corner

[austere rover]

I only noticed because I have a good ear for timing, but through a bunch of World Tour games, the music transition from end of round -> leader board is off by a few milliseconds, so it sounds a bit washed out because of the complexity of your music.
Hope you know what I'm talking about but it's not too bad

[sharp flame]

yo! good spot!

[errant imp]

@sharp flame homie yyou scared me in the4 Latest News thread with tthe eyes. I tthought Rob did it 🥲

[dusk siren]

agree! check out @crisp eagle and @fading vigil's ideas above!

Re: Hydra Cube/Hydra_Q's
Hydra Cube ---> Hydra Q B?
Are we looking for 3 Hydra Q's?
Hydra Q A, Hydra Q B, Hydra Q C?
"cube" related to "3" (obv)

Hydrangeas was such a good idea... Hydra "cues"... as in hydras (of various meanings) are the cues in different maps?

[ripe axle]

[sharp flame]

damnn

[dusk siren]

hydrangeas (outside Dragon Studios)
hydrant (outside Argon)
more potential hydra "cues"?

[sharp flame]

I wonder where Hydrangeas are scattered

and I suppose Hydrants too

have we only seen Hydrangeas in one spot?

[dusk siren]

goldenseal is a kind of hydrastis. any notable "golden seals"?

any notable instances of hydraulics in the game?

hydrargillite -> Gibbsite (important ore of aluminum, green, named for mineral collector George Gibbs)
hydrargillite -> Wavellite (an aluminium basic phosphate mineral, distinct crystals are rare, green radial or spherical clusters, first noted 1805 in Devon, England, named by Dr. Babington in honor of Dr. Wavell)

[red charm]

notice anything

...

[alpine junco]

no

[twin oasis]

is the truth behind the walls an out of bounds related thing because it feels almost intentional how easy it is to leave the practice range

[twin oasis]

this?

[rugged breach]

No oob needed for ees

Rob did go silent for a bit after being asked whether the lines on sys foggy night was related to that though

[burnt sun]

To me it looks like a simple seating plan of the restaurant

[twin oasis]

im afraid you might be smarter than i am

[ripe axle]

The ospuze map has a weird rectangle going inside the moon, and mister_benich on Twitch figured it might be a reference to "Le voyage dans la lune"

I think it's a straw

[hearty meteor]

whats this? the loading screen?

[ripe axle]

No if you go in spec mode you can go straight up and escape the map boundaries as there is no ceilling on the Heavy Hitters map

so this is the skybox

[burnt sun]

Looks like the intro tunnel to me

[dusk siren]

I really want this to be about molar heat capacity or something like that. Probably not, but maybe a scientist here can opine.

Heat (Q) is measured in joules (J), so it could relate to J/(K*mol)

[burnt sun]

I also think the way rob put it so cryptic/paradox that it should not lead us to watersnake - my theory is completely different to yours though :D

[gusty timber]

What if he's talking about Qubits considering the hydra cube stuff is most likely about CNS?

[dusk siren]

what's ur current theory?

[dusk siren]

Dude... I already liked Q = Queens https://www.johndcook.com/blog/2025/05/02/n-queens-in-3d/

[drowsy barn]

Nice

[dusk siren]

But here's the kicker, imo

Latin Queen ideas?

Or Latin squares? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_square

Selena seems to get an honorable mention

[burnt sun]

Hypercubes -> Tesseract (4D Cube)((Tesseract on sYs) -> tesseracts as the basis for a network topology to link multiple processors in parallel computing / tesseract can be shaped into a torus -> Bernal Torus = 4D Torus = Clifford Torus = square torus/euclidian-2-thorus-> Some video games, including Asteroids, are played on a square torus (Atari/one of the first major hits of the golden age of arcade games) / William Kingdon Clifford (another William, Trinity College)

connection to euclidian space (euclid) and cartesian coordination system (descartes)

also Martin Gardner is connected to hypercubes or 4D in general - and he is connected to Lewis Carroll & Piet Hein
he wrote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Annotated_Alice
and
Gardner was best known for creating and sustaining interest in recreational mathematics—and by extension, mathematics in general—throughout the latter half of the 20th century, principally through his "Mathematical Games" columns
--> The Game of Hex (Jul 1957) by Piet Hein

[dusk siren]

Makes me think of Q*bert as an Atari game, as well, but that would miss all the good torus stuff.

Yeah, I liked the hypercube angle above. I posted a few things that led to the Tiger Torus, as I recall, thinking it might also coincide with the Ospuze Tiger Juice commercial.

Does seem to miss any "Hydra" connection, though, unless I'm mistaken.

Is it reasonable to think that just the similar sound is enough? honest question

@crisp eagle's Q = Queen idea had the merits of reminding me of the Queen in Alice in Wonderland, the 4 queens in a deck of cards (see also the real-life 4 Queens casino, represented by Glamora, iirc), etc., or so I thought.
"How many Q in a cube filled with Q?" seems very on the nose, as well.
Tbf, not sure the Hydra connection, but I think Pibblix had one. I'm gonna go back and check.

[bright osprey]

hi

[dusk siren]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydra_(chess)

[empty plaza]

How long has this been here?!

[empty plaza]

It's the panel that appeared during the weird buggy flashes in the PR shooting range!

[opal pond]

Since last update

[opal pond]

Its the same panel type of panel that blocked off the rest of the PR when the tutorial was still in that hallway

[empty plaza]

I just heard one of the Target Dummies say "What did I do to deserve this!"

I have sat here for 20 minutes trying to catch the line again, and I literally can't

[dusk siren]

srsly?! The line totally sounds like an EE, but might be hard to track down the source. Another Monkey Island reference? Sounds jokey like that.

[empty plaza]

JUST CAUGHT IT!

I was messing around in settings when I heard it again

"What have I done to deserve this!"
Took like 30 minutes to hear it a second time, it's such a rare line

[dusk siren]

Re: Martin Gardner + Queens

I'm kinda digging the angle, @burnt sun

Random association time:

• cinquefoil - knots

• Anybody see any rep-tiles or fish (koi?) in this veritable pool of triangles?

• perhaps in this one

• Gardner - Gardener - Hydrangeas

[burnt sun]

yeah theres a lot of connections but I can't come up with any solution or lead so far :D

[dusk siren]

• Per @crisp eagle : D2 - D&D - Dungeons & Dragons - the Hydra

• More Martin Gardner connections:
  • SOMA cubes (Piet Hein, you can't make this up)
  • the Hercules-Hydra game