easter-eggs

[sharp flame]

oh I mean I manually placed each colour down and compared them.. the much more tedious way.. haha

[sick stone]

#EFEAB5 potato

[timid solstice]

Rob posted a message with let’s GOOO etc. the 18th O was actually a 0. That was a clue for a url that had a quarter of a qr code that led to the tfee page

[sharp flame]

#bad666 lettuce

if anyone has time, I'm doing the Kynzantama on Padlet

[sick stone]

huh?

[sharp flame]

huh?

[sick stone]

I sent that having faith in you and this chat

I'm disappointed

[sharp flame]

ah

haha

wondering if these really are ammonite

I think they are

but could always be some weird iris of some animal

[sick stone]

def ammonite or ammonite-related

[slender lodge]

reminds me of that movie 'ammonite'

[sick stone]

and so far I've only managed 1 explanation for the different sizes

[timid solstice]

Same but slightly different… Is there a word for that

[slender lodge]

for what its worth, both of the ammonite on the cheeks are facing the exact same way and rootation

[neon stream]

https://tenor.com/view/get-smart-maxwell-agent-86-gif-12923944

[slender lodge]

🤏

theres an emote for it ig

[timid solstice]

analogous

[slender lodge]

indistinguishable

[neon stream]

sameish /s

[timid solstice]

tantamount

[sharp flame]

it's a leaning tower of pisa situation

yknow like the illusion of which one is leaning more

(when they're actually the same)

[sick stone]

u did an overlay?

[sharp flame]

yh

it lines up pixel to pixel

[sharp flame]

👆

same but same

[sick stone]

same, but in a different way

[sharp flame]

idk what y'all are seeing 😭

they are identical

[sick stone]

It was a joke

[sharp flame]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-then-gif-24163816

[tulip matrix]

Don't feel bad I missed it too haha

[sharp flame]

also yeah

they are definitely ammonite

Interesting find then

: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammolite

[fallen jasper]

amongous

[sharp flame]

Ammolite is an opal-like organic gemstone made of the fossilized shells of ammonites

[tulip matrix]

woah

Iridescent but very red

[crude topaz]

very rainbow

[tulip matrix]

Like Nacre

[sharp flame]

which then brought me to this..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublet_(lapidary)

[crude topaz]

it feels like i am missing something obvious between all clues

[tulip matrix]

I didn't want to make a mess of the padlet again so here's where I've been
https://padlet.com/duhmeistertv/duh-s-tier-1e-looney-bin-wavuwjry3qxu13ot

[sharp flame]

aren't we all 😭

[sharp flame]

OH MY GOD

wow

I just zoomed out

[neon stream]

THIS is how the Padlet should look like! 💪🏻

[sharp flame]

wow

[neon stream]

The messier, the better 💪🏻

[tulip matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/im-back-baby-kuzco-emperors-new-groove-gif-8291749

[neon stream]

https://tenor.com/view/messirve-cool-shades-on-lionel-messi-leo-messi-gif-17952557

[sick stone]

looked at this last night, but couldn't find anything. It was very late though, so I might've missed something

[sharp flame]

anything of note?

[sharp flame]

just that it's used in doublets

[crude topaz]

this is what ADHD looks like?

[sharp flame]

needs more colour

[sick stone]

It is beautiful ❤️

[sick stone]

there is a similar technique called "triplets"

[neon stream]

Tbh, I don't think we should have the clues' summary on the main Padlet, I think we end up not adding the things we found as a post, which is the point of the Padlet. But maybe that's just me 🤷🏻‍♂️

[crude topaz]

i was reading about "Oogenesis" in 4am...

[neon stream]

The crosses, the corner pixel, the T-rex, are all mentioned on the summary, but don't have their respective post, so we don't expand on them 😕

[sick stone]

I've also been thinking about twins, as some are identical while others are not, but still look somewhat alike...

[sharp flame]

this is true..

it's not that the summary shouldn't be there, but more that we shouldn't not put the clues as posts because the summary is there

but yeah we shouldn't need the summary on the padlet after we have all the clues as posts

[sharp flame]

I'm doing that now btw

[fallen jasper]

I mean we have two padlets
https://padlet.com/Kyne/the-promise-t1e-clues-connections-v3wvs675l9dvztxa for written summaries of what the most likely clues and connections are
https://padlet.com/Kyne/the-promise-t1e-ohsl9b4w3ncqnvqe for general speculation

[sharp flame]

serpenger is talking about the Swa summary

[fallen jasper]

Ohhhhhh

[neon stream]

Yeah, I was referring to the Swa summary on the general speculation Padlet

[fallen jasper]

nvm then, continue on

[neon stream]

I think we end up relying too much on that, and not expanding on clues

[sharp flame]

or just nobody has the time to do it 🤣

[neon stream]

We need Duh's Padlet on the Main padlet 😂

[sick stone]

padletception

[sharp flame]

cleaning the padlet up and giving room for more discussion

[slender lodge]

theres no way

right one is leaning mroe

[sharp flame]

nah 💀

[slender lodge]

im going insane

[sharp flame]

good. use that for the hunt 🧠

[slender lodge]

[tulip matrix]

haha yes ._.

[tulip matrix]

everything is of note, monsieur fish

[sharp flame]

okay! all things added to the padlet that are 'confirmed'

and then some of the offshoots we had

feel free to add any you have!

https://padlet.com/Kyne/the-promise-t1e-ohsl9b4w3ncqnvqe

[balmy fog]

is it just me or it looks like a compass too?

[simple stream]

Could it be like that radial code on the mars rover parachute

[balmy fog]

Im attacking the Cypher

[sharp flame]

which?

[balmy fog]

Crosses

I'll dedicate my time to that one and that only so we don't waste energy trying to find a needle

i want my full energy on crosses

[sharp flame]

good luck

[balmy fog]

USA?

Doesn't make sense

nvm

[hidden nacelle]

i mean we had this #easter-eggs message

[balmy fog]

still it doesnt make sense

One symbol can't be more than 1 letter

green cant be a space

my guess is its numbers

If you translate them in order, cross (north) 1, cross (south) 2, + 3

[slender lodge]

do u have the full imag

oh nvm found it

[balmy fog]

omg

6 blues

6 greens

6 red

[slender lodge]

[balmy fog]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-christ-wink-smile-jesus-gif-15483760

[slender lodge]

[balmy fog]

so we know a cross can't be a word

neither a letter

basically can only be a number

[slender lodge]

wait whys that

[balmy fog]

because there is 3 crosses, so lets say 1.A 2.B 3.C

It wouldn't make any sense

a aaaaccbb b cbbbbcc a c

looks a lot like this

[slender lodge]

ahh

[balmy fog]

u could also see it like this

[sharp flame]

it could be each column is read as one

[balmy fog]

do we have anything for astava?

[sharp flame]

where did that come from

looks pretty good

[balmy fog]

rom this

[balmy fog]

1 - 111 - 1 - 111 - 1 - 1

[sharp flame]

how are you translating it to that?

sorry I might just be really tired 😭

[balmy fog]

So each cross could be a 1, having 4 after it doesnt matter it just shows a press of a button

1 11112222233 22222222334

just like doing morse

[sharp flame]

so what do the different shapes mean

or do we just count them as indistinguishable

[balmy fog]

you count them as indistinguishable

[sharp flame]

kk

[balmy fog]

couldve been a pig, a cow and an eagle

i mean its a theory

[sharp flame]

it's a whole word

[balmy fog]

cant be a word

you only have 3 crosses, unless theyve spread the alphabet/3

[sharp flame]

I meant Astava

it's good

[balmy fog]

oh

[sharp flame]

it's a word

[balmy fog]

It is but it leads to fucking nothing lol

[sharp flame]

(or something like a word)

[balmy fog]

morse is delicate look

[sharp flame]

maybe the .-.- at the end could split into two different things

idk

how are you doing the spaces then

[balmy fog]

exactly

spaces in morse = end of a letter

wait

omg

[sharp flame]

what

[balmy fog]

morse translate in 3 symbols

. - and space

[sharp flame]

wait

[balmy fog]

space marks the end of a letter

[sharp flame]

so what about the spaces here

[balmy fog]

so

a aaaaccbb b cbbbbcc a c

that means

either a b c (crosses) are a . a -

[sharp flame]

whichever one means end of word, then we have two end-of-words in a row

[balmy fog]

no

hold up

lemme draw u

[sharp flame]

take my good side

hehe

https://tenor.com/view/sexy-pose-spider-man-pose-gif-13250113

[crude topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/drawing-titanic-leo-jack-leonardo-di-caprio-gif-5449114

[balmy fog]

lets say red is the -

lets say blue is -

lets say green is the -

see how it changes

[sharp flame]

Yes yes but just questioning why there are multiple As Bs and Cs in a row

[balmy fog]

again its a theory, but when you do morse

physically

its a press of a button

it has to be morse, its the only language you can speak with -3 signs

.- and space

if not

https://www.dcode.fr/triliteral-cipher#:~:text=A triliteral cipher is%2C as,a triplet of 3 letters.

[crude topaz]

so say the crosses is morse, what would be the most logical orientation way to convert it? Depending on how you convert it will give different solution

[balmy fog]

Thats saying its morse

and also what crosses represent what

[tulip matrix]

maybe it's a cross between two ciphers

[pure loom]

I did pick up on it, but didn’t think it might be EE-related. I thought it was just Rob’s sense of humour.

[tulip matrix]

Oh so it was just me then 😭

Haha

[pure loom]

Yeah.

[crude topaz]

could just excel the different combinations and run it

[tulip matrix]

I was just so excited I couldn't be bothered with Rob's ramblings hehehe

[balmy fog]

Well the - changes everything in morse

. = e

[pure loom]

“Gib game now”

[balmy fog]

.- = A

[tulip matrix]

[balmy fog]

. - = ET

Thats why I was saying its a 3 letter alphabet @crude topaz

[tulip matrix]

Roooob the Riiiddler 🎶
Can we obfuscate it?!
YES. WE. CAN.

https://tenor.com/view/bob-the-builder-laughing-laugh-hahahahah-haha-gif-21905531

[balmy fog]

Blue being -

[crude topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-gif-8902231

[tulip matrix]

tested?

[tulip matrix]

yeeter

[balmy fog]

Im testing right now trying to find out

but my brain boutta take a shit

aint no way a single cross could be a word

the only options is numbers

or XYZ

CGARQTGFTUFQBXQLRFTUCPL_

[balmy fog]

1.7.1.7.1.1

that also cant be possible, having 171 then 711

only 7s and 1s

[slender lodge]

rob the dj

[sharp flame]

I mean it could be one column is one letter/number

[balmy fog]

talking vertically?

like blue + red?

[sharp flame]

yeah

[balmy fog]

i mean it would be the same word 4 times

in the middle

[sharp flame]

not word

letter/number

which is fine

if it's a number

[balmy fog]

it could be number

if blue is one and red is 2

[sharp flame]

801888822503001

for random example

[balmy fog]

3| |3|3|3|3|3|6|6|2| |1| |3|

if blue is one

red 2

green 3

like that?

all the clues we've found so far have been related to the ocean

or shall I say

water / nordic

white star line, titanic, telford, artur rostron

snowflakes

postal code goes to Torslanda

[sharp flame]

water pretty vague haha

[balmy fog]

yeah i mean, titanic, white star line, snowflakes, telford, artur rostron

[sharp flame]

don't think we should take nordic as a clue/answer

seeing as that's just where Rob is kinda drawing inspiration from/based

I think

[balmy fog]

Titanc used to be a boat, White Star line used to be a compagny, Telford used to be one of the bridge creators back then, Rostron was the captn of the Titanic

[sharp flame]

yep

agree

[balmy fog]

Torslanda

[fallen jasper]

Rob was the master of puppets, a song from the hit 1993 album Master of Puppets by Metallitca

[sharp flame]

the clues in previous tiers were connected directly

I reckon there is something in specific which links our clues

[balmy fog]

what is the lights in the sky north called

like you know the purple lights in the sky

[fallen jasper]

We've got 3 clues but we don't know what links them yet

[balmy fog]

I dont know the name in english lol

[sharp flame]

Aurora

[fallen jasper]

Auroa Buroalis?

[balmy fog]

aurora

leads to Torslanda

[sharp flame]

how you get both words wrong 😭

[balmy fog]

aurora

torslanda

[fallen jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/elected-to-lead-not-to-read-the-simpsons-president-schwarzenegger-arnold-schwarzenegger-gif-16361128

[sharp flame]

💪

[sharp flame]

damn, just 3?

[balmy fog]

artur rostron

[sharp flame]

lemme wipe some off the padlet real quick

[fallen jasper]

3 main clues at least

[slender lodge]

aurawr boreli

[sharp flame]

ah! that's how it was

my bad

[fallen jasper]

Telford, Torslanda, White Star Line

[balmy fog]

t-rex

fuck is the trex supposed to mean lol

I feel like it should be the easiest to decipher too

[sharp flame]

could be just a reference

[balmy fog]

to what tho

we're talking clearly about the 1800-1900s

[sharp flame]

Battlefield

[balmy fog]

white star line, telford, titanic

did something happened in torslanda?Y

[sharp flame]

timezone is kinda irrelevant to be fair

[slender lodge]

trex never leaves

[sharp flame]

the clues are linked in terms of their theme, and many of the clues are in different years

we've had 460BC up to like 2179

[balmy fog]

oh ok

well

I guess T-Rex is a predator so it could reference that

like apex predator

[sharp flame]

also when I said Battlefield I meant the game haha

I'm not quite familiar with it

but the T-Rex has popped up many times as a gaming easter egg, and in the Battlefield games

so it's kinda like a developer inside joke

[balmy fog]

ok

well

clearly the easiest clues have been found

[sharp flame]

yep

there are more for sure

that we have not found at all

Rob even just said so

[balmy fog]

he did?

😢

[slender lodge]

i mean the trex could actually mean something

[sharp flame]

^^

[balmy fog]

So we gotta look at the picture

[slender lodge]

maybe its a tertiary clue or a secondary clue

[sharp flame]

oh it definitely also does

Rob also said that

haha

[pure loom]

T-Rex and the ammonite could be the same clue - related to the K-T boundary extinction

[fallen jasper]

The first T-Rex skeleton was found in Hell Creek Montana

[sharp flame]

here he talks about the T-rex

[sharp flame]

this is from the last time where there was an identical dinosaur

[slender lodge]

wait we found the 1 link?

was it rawr xd?

[sharp flame]

maybe it was battlefield

maybe it was the specimen called Titus or something

[fallen jasper]

The tribute is battlefield

[sharp flame]

but also

4 LINKS??

I think we forget how much each clue can connect

if anything, all our clues connect with every other clue in one way

[proud minnow]

Started on a little something… ._.

[pure loom]

T-Rex is going to have limited links - extinction, discovery locations, semi-vestigial forearms, carnivore, Jurassic Park movie…

[sharp flame]

can't WAIT

hopefully it's an answer sheet...

[slender lodge]

cheatsheet.gif

[pure loom]

Inb4 new game announced

[fallen jasper]

Is it you telling people to check the meta data on the Kynezantama

[sharp flame]

👀

[fallen jasper]

The Semi-Finals. It was a joke, now it's a actual game.

[sharp flame]

is that.. like.. a prequel?

[pure loom]

Sounds great! I made it to the semi-finals a lot! 😂

[fallen jasper]

I made it to the semi-semi finals a lot :(

[slender lodge]

solar eclipse 8 23 2044

oh im late to realising 2044x2044 is also in a pair

[fallen jasper]

[balmy fog]

I announce my retirement

My brain about to blow up

The cross cipher got the best of me

I cant stop 😢

What have y'all done to me.......

[sharp flame]

I apologise 🙏

[balmy fog]

fish

whats your theory for the crosses

common

help me a little

lol

[sharp flame]

my theory was that

the way they are spaced:

supposed to be read a column at a time

but

either way I don't think it's left to right, 1 row at a time

this part lines up too perfect

[balmy fog]

To decipher we gotta find what are the meanings of the the different symbols

[sharp flame]

definitely

could they be arrows?

there are not a lot of pixels and for now it doesn't seem like 'crosses' is taking us anywhere

[balmy fog]

They could be

If they are

I mean

No matter what the symbol is

Could it be related to a cheat on GTA? Lol

[slender lodge]

personally i dont think its a raw cipher

the symbols follow a visual pattern i dont think its a coincidence

[sharp flame]

I don't believe Rob 😭

[slender lodge]

whats that replyiing to lol

[sharp flame]

#easter-eggs message

[balmy fog]

That’s why I said it looks like Morse code

[slender lodge]

ajhhhh

[sharp flame]

most of the things like this are hidden words/numbers

I don't think the shape of them is the clue or anything

[balmy fog]

Tap tap dance maybe?

🤣

[balmy fog]

Yes that’s exactly what I was doing

[pure loom]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[slender lodge]

or like this

idk

[balmy fog]

Now just gotta know wich one the dot and wich one is the -

[slender lodge]

yeah just worth a shot tho

rob always changes it up

plus im useless in the main puzzle so i like to pursue side quests

[balmy fog]

I mean this cipher a side quest

[sharp flame]

idk it would be like if we started theorising about the shapes comprising the KRAMER pigpen in T1B

haha

[balmy fog]

Lol

No for sure i think we’re seeing it too complicated

[slender lodge]

well i didnt mean it that literally haha

[balmy fog]

It gotta be easier than that

[slender lodge]

im just trying to find a pattern to start off with

cuz i have no idea how to go about this

[sharp flame]

I mean this is like most of our clues

we gotta search wide, not deep

[balmy fog]

The symbols could’ve been a bear, pigeon and an eagle would’ve been the same pattern

[sharp flame]

there's gotta be at least one IRL cipher that lines up with what we have

[slender lodge]

true, but this one theres infinite possibilities until we find the right reference/cipher/something

[sharp flame]

could be up arrow, down arrow, side arrow

could be daggers

could be anything pointed

[balmy fog]

Could be anything

[sharp flame]

could be a hand pointing

[balmy fog]

So def the symbol doesn’t matter

[slender lodge]

there werent a lot of pixels in that part but they def look like crosses more than arrows to me

[balmy fog]

It’s the pattern of it

[timid solstice]

I looked through dcode

[sharp flame]

no luck on my end

[timid solstice]

Nothing matched

[slender lodge]

fish
upside down fish
fish with no fins

[balmy fog]

It might not be Morse

But what we have to look for is the pattern

Why 1-7-1

7-1-1

[pure loom]

Do you have a full version of the clue you could post please? The pinned one is kinda small

[balmy fog]

1-7-1-1-7-1-1

Also, why 3 symbols

Fuck the symbols let’s see colours

Up being blue
Down being red
Middle being green

[sharp flame]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Rxxy-3Fye0AoAnNus6p3Fdy6uFrCDg7cA5BCH_E6vPM/edit#gid=0

[balmy fog]

It’s always the same

1-7
1-7
1-2

Just like the coordinates

Coordinates with TB

That’s what the pattern is

Its coordinates

And the 2 last crosses are letters

[sharp flame]

omg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic_666

[hidden nacelle]

[slender lodge]

embarking

[sharp flame]

I still this is worth searching

[slender lodge]

wait apart from the religious crosses -> 666, what was the main reason behind 666?

[timid solstice]

I think we need to find ‘doubles’ meanings

[balmy fog]

6-6-6 because every cross is there 6 times

[timid solstice]

It’s like ovals and oviform all over again

[slender lodge]

ohh yis

[slender lodge]

maybe the ans is d0ubles

[sharp flame]

du0l0gy

okay I'm actually impressed I found this one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Dieter_Siebert

the opera itself has no wiki page

[pure loom]

There are 15 columns in total

[sharp flame]

but this guy composed a 1979 opera on the Titanic

[sharp flame]

can't see why it can't be 16 with an empty at the end as well

[balmy fog]

16 bars?

[pure loom]

it's a possibility

[balmy fog]

They did a freestyle?

[sharp flame]

swa I hate you

[balmy fog]

Ok so

[slender lodge]

i love u

[sharp flame]

<3

[balmy fog]

16 columns

Where does that leads us related to the pattern

[pure loom]

15 or 16 (of course there could be more, but that would make it super hard)

[crude topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/eminem-detroitvseverybody-slimshady-rap-gif-13162981

[sharp flame]

maybe one of our previous morse ones could've worked if we included that 16th column 😭

[balmy fog]

I still can’t see where that leads us

[sharp flame]

idk

[balmy fog]

Oh

Fuck

[timid solstice]

[balmy fog]

The 4 to 9 column is what fuckin me

You can’t translate that in Norse

[crude topaz]

also didnt rob check our progress while stating he was listening to public enemy

[sharp flame]

perhaps we just need to search wider

it's probably gonna be just another md5 situation

[pure loom]

I think the point was more about the W R in the title

than the band

[sharp flame]

where someone who recognises what it is can do it straight up

[pure loom]

md5?

[balmy fog]

Well clearly the clues are

666
1-7 / 7-1-1
3 symbols

[sharp flame]

the bottom string

[balmy fog]

What about 171711?

[timid solstice]

where someone who recognises what it is can do it straight up

[balmy fog]

Isnt 171711 an hex color?

[sharp flame]

#⚡┇the-finals-chat message

[slender lodge]

so where did 17 711 come from

[crude topaz]

somone saw that it was md5 directly and just went hey i solved it its 206888

[pure loom]

Now answer like I'm stupid

[sharp flame]

where someone who recognises what it is can do it straight up

[pure loom]

of a guitar?

[timid solstice]

I reached out to the decipher discord

[balmy fog]

1-7 7-1-1 is the pattern of the clue

[sharp flame]

the thingy 😭 at the bottom 😭

[timid solstice]

They solved it in 30mins

[slender lodge]

which clue

im a lil lost haha

[balmy fog]

Crosses

[pure loom]

what thingy?

[pure loom]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-bone-dr-evil-austin-powers-trashtalk-help-gif-5268068

[pure loom]

ah!

ok

thank you

[slender lodge]

oh

i dont see how u got that :_;

[sharp flame]

basically it was encoded in a way that none of us would've ever thought or found

but someone with that knowledge could do it pretty damn fast

[timid solstice]

So like you said search wider

[pure loom]

oh, what was the answer to that one?

I'm just catching up now

[sharp flame]

206888

[crude topaz]

the guy ho found white star line, was he a boat guy?

[sharp flame]

the counterpart to the 1f6888 pixel in the top left

[sharp flame]

haha nah, just someone with initiative

[crude topaz]

i never saw how he came to that conclusion

[timid solstice]

No I posted anagrams of the letters and mentioned surnames and Rostron

[sharp flame]

I asked him

here^

lol

[timid solstice]

He remembered reading it on Arthur Rostron wiki that he was part of wsl

[sharp flame]

Arthur restrooms 🤨

[crude topaz]

restroom 🙂

[sharp flame]

Rostron

hehe

[crude topaz]

and he came to Arthur just by looking at torsnor right?

[timid solstice]

No I posted Arthur

[sharp flame]

Flex I think actually said Rostron

if I am not mistaken

[timid solstice]

Yep

[sharp flame]

and also Arthur

[timid solstice]

Connections came together

[crude topaz]

ah

[sharp flame]

did you put Arthur and Rostron together?

[timid solstice]

No, because rostron was from the crop image, tor snor

[sharp flame]

still, we probably wouldn'tve gotten it as soon as we did if you didn't post Rostron at that time

[timid solstice]

Yeah I need to add to the connections padlet

Just hard atm

[sharp flame]

and then he went on Rostron's wiki

[crude topaz]

wich led to white star i guess

[sharp flame]

it only appears like twice

so it was a very good spot

[sharp flame]

bad connection?

[timid solstice]

Mobile

And padlet don’t mix haha

[sharp flame]

gotcha

will do

[sharp flame]

added basically everything so far!

https://padlet.com/Kyne/the-promise-t1e-clues-connections-v3wvs675l9dvztxa

yo

I found something interesting

Titanic and Double mentioned pretty congruently here

[pure loom]

Some more thoughts on this. I think that the cipher must result in a number because if it were letters, then the characters in positions 4-7 would result in the same letter, and you don't get words with 4 letters the same in a row (unless the result is a non-word anagram).

[pure loom]

Are the colours as they appear or did we add those?

[sharp flame]

we added

[pure loom]

ok

thanks

[sick stone]

Ohh. SingStar. Ofc.

[pure loom]

so we can potentially assume that symbol, position and whether it has a counterpart symbol are important

[sharp flame]

the original

[pure loom]

thanks

[sharp flame]

perhaps

we have 3 symbols

this is a misrepresentation but yeah

this is what it looks like

[pure loom]

do you think the tiny little dots around the symbols are artifacts rather than anything meaningful?

[sharp flame]

could be interpreted as an arrow as much as a cross

[sharp flame]

artefacts

they appear around most edits

in most clues

[pure loom]

ok

[sharp flame]

they do seem to be crosses on purpose

[pure loom]

I agree

[sharp flame]

they might be pixels small but there was room to make them more like arrows or whatever

[pure loom]

The shapes themselves are possibly irrelevant

[sharp flame]

yep yep

[pure loom]

Other than that they are different from each other

[sharp flame]

I mean either the direction of them means something or they don't

no way we can know for sure

[pure loom]

If for a moment we assume the crosses opposite each other are a 1 and blanks are a 0 we could have 10?1111???0?00?

[sharp flame]

we could...

Rob coulda easily made it clear binary if he wanted to

no need for 3 different symbols to be fair

[pure loom]

seems kinda unlikely though because the ?s would take it away from binary to something weird

[crude topaz]

did we not already try all binary options ?

[tulip matrix]

unless of course he were to.. double cross us

[sharp flame]

🧠

[sharp flame]

there are always more options.. more orientations

but realistically yeah

but I really reckon this is just some cipher that we don't know

like the pigpen from before, or md5

we just gotta find it

[pure loom]

pigpen seems unlikely because how would you get the corner ones? Like this could do top, bottom and center, but top left for instance would be tricky

[sharp flame]

sorry I meant in the sense that we just don't know what cipher it is

we don't need to take every second cross, or flip the bottom row, or use one of them as A and the up and down as B/C or any translation of it

[pure loom]

ah yes

[sharp flame]

I think the shapes as they are, should just be apparent when we pick the right cipher

we haven't had to severely modify the clue before, so we probably won't have to this time

just need that cipher/encryption

[pure loom]

interesting that where the crosses are singular they are both on opposite sides from where they are in pairs

[sick stone]

Every clue in the first image came in pairs, right? What if there is a solo clue that pairs with the crosses? Could solve it backwards

[sharp flame]

everything except the snowflake...

the same thing happened in both images

and yet Rob had the conscience to make it a different snowflake each time..

there will totally be a snowflake in the 3rd image

definitely referring to the 'coming in pairs' theme

or rather, lack of

[sharp flame]

I mean just like the double Torslanda codes, it could be that both rows are something different

perhaps one row reads as one thing, the second row reads as something else

[pure loom]

Except if that were the case I'd expect to get a column which had a crucifix cross upright at the top, and the same at the bottom, but we only get the upright crucifix cross at the bottom when it has no partner symbol in the top row.

It's like ✝️ at top and ✝️ at bottom on the same column is not an option

[sharp flame]

I was assuming they read different things tho

like 206888 and 1f6888 or the two torslanda zipcodes

or the two Moriston coords

in fact the more I think about it the more I think they might be two different values

[pure loom]

Yes, but what I'm saying is that both rows seem related because they don't have more variety

[sharp flame]

the torslanda codes did share a few digits in common

[pure loom]

4 in a row though?

[sharp flame]

206888

1F6888

as well

then

[sharp flame]

it could be like binary in the sense that the numbers are in the same size range, (so those 4 digits in the middle) but still be completely diff

just having the same no. of digits

idk

[pure loom]

possibly

let's not dismiss that

We can probably assume that the blanks are either 0s or spaces

and why would we need a double space?

Probably 0s

[timid solstice]

Britannic also sank
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/britannic-sinks-in-aegean-sea#:~:text=The Britannic%2C sister ship to,its already-planned sister ship.

[sharp flame]

ouch

twin thingy holds up though!

[timid solstice]

name change - Gigantic to Britannic

[balmy fog]

crosses

15 columns

[crude topaz]

2 rows

[balmy fog]

omg

Its the same patterns

up and down

its the same shit

hold up

[crude topaz]

hol up

wait a minute

[balmy fog]

Blue never follows red

red never follows blue

[timid solstice]

#easter-eggs message

[pure loom]

the colours aren't part of the clue

[balmy fog]

exactly what I was doing!!!!

its not about the color

its about the pattern

[timid solstice]

but what does its meeeaaan

[balmy fog]

its a math equation

[tulip matrix]

my dudes

It's fucking Space Invaders

or Galaga

[balmy fog]

BRUH

[tulip matrix]

or Galaxia

I'm not sure which

[pure loom]

You don't think those are just artifacts?

[tulip matrix]

no way

[tulip matrix]

Yeah that's super obvious

and they repeat just like the crosses

so I think the crosses were just to tell us something is there

[balmy fog]

lol

What do we do with it tho

[tulip matrix]

https://kryptografie.de/kryptografie/chiffre/space-invaders-code.htm

[pure loom]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-mk11-mortal-kombat-begin-mortal-kombat11-gif-13664126

[timid solstice]

@balmy fog hey could you refrain from using that 👀 please, we would like to reserve it for rob reacts

[balmy fog]

oh mb

[timid solstice]

and my heart jumped a little haha

👁️ is fine

[balmy fog]

not a single one fit @tulip matrix

[tulip matrix]

Yeah I'm noticing that as well lol

[balmy fog]

Only one that could fit would be the H and even then its a reach

[tulip matrix]

might be unique to our hunt

[crude topaz]

yeah not artifacts

[tulip matrix]

yeah looks like faces and little aliens

[pure loom]

Very Arecibo message-like if they're not artifacts

[balmy fog]

If you align the G

It fits perfectly

[timid solstice]

bug dude

[crude topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-squidward-whatever-so-what-hmph-gif-17536991

[jade crane]

for some reason, it looks like something produced by conways game of life

[tulip matrix]

it do

[jade crane]

i just tried it, makes some cool patterns

not much else tho

[tulip matrix]

you know what's funny?

that image has been sitting on my desktop since day one of Tier 1E 😅

[timid solstice]

lets hope its not just noise

[balmy fog]

I really dont think so

Noise normally is randomized

on these exact points its the same

[timid solstice]

Ive seen it but thought it was artefacts

[slender lodge]

NICE FIND

[pure loom]

jpeg artifacts do weird things though, right?

[slender lodge]

how did u get that tho

[balmy fog]

Yes and no, it wouldve been randomized

[tulip matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/no-idea-idk-i-dunno-i-dont-know-no-clue-gif-5178996

it was one of those steganography sights

I can't remember which

[timid solstice]

if pasted from another file the noise would carry over right?

[pure loom]

iseespaceinvaders.com

[tulip matrix]

That site just applies space invaders noise to images

[balmy fog]

noise wouldve been randomized

[slender lodge]

not necessarily

[balmy fog]

There's no reasons why u have 5 blue completely identical

[slender lodge]

noise with the same seed would give the same result

since noise is just an equation

[timid solstice]

I think look for ZX-SPECTRUM games maybe

[balmy fog]

anybody ever looked in rob folders?

maybe he made a game like that in his younger days?

[tulip matrix]

One reason I find it plausible is because Galaxia was a copycat of Space Invaders by Namco

[pure loom]

I think he started off with DICE

[tulip matrix]

which fits our theme

[balmy fog]

He did just looked

https://www.mobygames.com/person/44352/robert-runesson/

[hidden nacelle]

Midtown Madness 3 seems to be where he started

[balmy fog]

NASCAR Heat (PlayStation, 2000)

[hidden nacelle]

oh

[balmy fog]

doesnt help tho

its not space 1980 type shit

[pure loom]

I think he did some art for BF1942, but not a lead

[hidden nacelle]

ye

[pure loom]

Yeah, either way I don't think it will relate to his personal work - more likely a tribute to a game from his younger years, if it is real

[balmy fog]

indeed

I mean space invaders is where everything started

right

[tulip matrix]

It kicked off the "golden-age" of arcade gaming

[timid solstice]

the little bug dudes match Galaga more tbh

[hidden nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/pong-game-retro-gif-12729647

[fringe trench]

im like 99% sure the noise around the crosses is compression artifacts from the jpg format

[balmy fog]

maybe its not about the message itself but about an info from space invaders?

[pure loom]

Pong, to be fair.

[balmy fog]

Is there any ways to know?

[timid solstice]

so was I

[pure loom]

6 years before Space Invaders

from a commercial pov

[timid solstice]

but look at this little badass wasp dude

[crude topaz]

first game wasnt even a game if a remember correctly, it was kids at school that modded some electronic instrument into a game

[balmy fog]

is there anyways to know if its truly artifact or not?

cuz if we learn in 10 days its an artifact and we've been searching for days

[sick stone]

It seems Rob has been very conscious about compression results in that image, looking at the hash-pair

[fringe trench]

what do you mean by that

[tulip matrix]

If those are just random noise I will see you guys next tier lol

[pure loom]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertie_the_Brain

Then this for the first real "game" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacewar!

[sick stone]

When we figured out the hashes someone pointed out that saving an image with one pixel hex value would turn it into the other

[tulip matrix]

is that an Oscilloscope?

[fringe trench]

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/An-example-of-artefacts-created-during-lossy-JPEG-compression-with-quality-q-60-Each_fig1_334360686

[pure loom]

see you in 3 months

[tulip matrix]

[sick stone]

I think it was because of compression. Rob did react to it, so it did seem intentional

[timid solstice]

so much artifacts

[fringe trench]

yeah exactly

in the end, the crosses might be a reference/confirmation to another clue

[sharp flame]

I come back and y'all are investigating the artefacts **around the clues 😭😭

[balmy fog]

This is something we could investigate

2-4-2-4 etc

[fringe trench]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1011929497139953744/1091119428277649418/image.png

it tiles

i posted that a while ago

purple is where the red and blue overlap

[sharp flame]

A few missing then

[slender lodge]

so green are?

[balmy fog]

We just gotta understand the sequence

[tulip matrix]

you could expand it into another dimension and have a lattice

[balmy fog]

Blue is up
Red down
Green is +

[fringe trench]

btw when i tiled it, i flipped some copies so the colours dont match their directions anymore in that image

[balmy fog]

The sequence is 2,4,2,4,2,4,2

💆‍♂️that doesn’t help

[pure loom]

I reckon we're best talking about the symbols so not to confuse anyone that the colours mean anything

[balmy fog]

True

[pure loom]

plain cross, normal crucifix, upside down crucifix (and their various positions - up, down)

[balmy fog]

Cant be Morse

[timid solstice]

is upside down crucifix to be considered as down?

[balmy fog]

Yes

We could also use arrows

What if

Every row we moved the pattern to the right

And adding new rows

[pure loom]

good question - what do the pairs mean then? And what's the difference between crucifix pairs and plain cross pairs?

and solos

[balmy fog]

I think focusing on the symbols is just a waste

[hidden nacelle]

have anyone tried using other filters on it?

[pure loom]

yeah, I think the actual symbols don't matter - but we need to name them to talk about them

we have the symbol shapes and their positions and whether they have a counterpart or not

[fringe trench]

theres nothing else on the symbols. its just the symbols

[balmy fog]

I dont know if it helps

[pure loom]

I'm not sure we should throw the blanks away, or fill them in - the blanks could be just as important as the symbols

[balmy fog]

Could it be a Minesweeper situation?

[fringe trench]

yeah the blanks are what throw me off. if its actually a cipher/pattern of some kind, logically the +s would usually represent the same as the blank spaces

[balmy fog]

what if

[fringe trench]

it might be worth moving onto another clue. sometimes clues are linked and require each other to make sense

[tulip matrix]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_analysis

maybe something to try

[balmy fog]

thing is, I dont see how a cross could represent more than 1 letter

[pure loom]

I think that's why the 4 in a row is weird, right?

unlikely to be letters spelling a word

[tulip matrix]

maybe is drum 'n bass

[balmy fog]

Exact

lmao

[tulip matrix]

[balmy fog]

Could be numbers but even then, it would be something like 1.4444

[pure loom]

Maybe a grid reference with some 0000s in it?

[balmy fog]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1011929497139953744/1091491700058366013/Clues_Kynezantama.png

That could get us started

[pure loom]

The Arthur clue on the crown could be a reference to king arthur

[balmy fog]

I think the clue on Titanic has been validated

whats the padlet

[pure loom]

Is that not the WSL clue?

oh, ok

Rostrom

[balmy fog]

It all links up but idk if its been validated

[pure loom]

I can't seem to add anything to this: https://padlet.com/Kyne/the-promise-t1e-ohsl9b4w3ncqnvqe

[balmy fog]

I can't neither

[pure loom]

I thought you could just double-click to open a new note

[tulip matrix]

I think @fallen jasper needs to grant you permissions

[pure loom]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-let-us-in-gif-13593927

[fringe trench]

ffs why is padlets controls SO BAD

[tulip matrix]

Duh's looney bin is open to all

a cesspool of ideas

[pure loom]

@tulip matrix gib link

[tulip matrix]

https://padlet.com/duhmeistertv/duh-s-tier-1e-looney-bin-wavuwjry3qxu13ot

drugs

nice

[tulip matrix]

they are indeed awful

[pure loom]

like most free things...

oh wait

[tulip matrix]

well I certainly didn't pay for it

[pure loom]

https://tenor.com/view/i-retract-my-previous-statement-i-take-it-back-scared-change-my-mind-smiling-gif-13248151

[timid solstice]

The Finals FTP

[timid solstice]

I contributed

[tulip matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/donations-i-thought-it-was-the-trash-throw-out-gif-17900585

[tulip matrix]

I'll take it

see that just sounds made up

this man probably selling snake oil

[balmy fog]

Am I allowed to watch the source files of the images?

[timid solstice]

what do you mean?

look at the meta data?

[balmy fog]

Well

I could tell you its been made on A d o b e P h o t o s h o p  A d o b e P h o t o s h o p 2 0 2 3
8BI

lol

Also was made on a Mac

"photoshop:TextLayers rdf:Bag <rdf:li photoshop:LayerName="Hi there EE-Hunters.!" photoshop:LayerText="Good luck have fun... from embark with love.! "/>"

well I guess I can

[hidden nacelle]

ye we have been doing that

[timid solstice]

the new namatama is stripped bare btw

must have ran it through a metadata cleanser

[balmy fog]

Well thats the tricky part

Why would Rob would've put a text layer in photoshop

only for himself to access

Nobody got access to psd files

so why include a text layer

there has to be something inside that data, if not, there wouldn't be a Hi there...

text layers cant be accessed via a jpg, only via psd/pdf

I found this

inside the file

[pure loom]

In the very first clue in level one, the clue answer was in the meta data - and since we shouldn't really be looking in there anyway, usually he puts a friend hello in there now (and removes any clues details)

[fringe trench]

from memory rob originally didnt think about the metadata, so there was stuff in there he didnt intend people to see such as the layer names. so he started putting messages like that in there

[timid solstice]

devoncrossing..

[pure loom]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnamflashback-gif-7780922

[tulip matrix]

I can't believe someone would even do that. What a cheater...

[balmy fog]

Was I not supposed to?

[pure loom]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-be-too-hard-on-him-go-easy-be-nice-dont-be-rude-kind-gif-16437361

[balmy fog]

Im sorry I aint trying to lol

[tulip matrix]

I'm kidding

I was making a joke at my own expense lol

[timid solstice]

#easter-eggs message

https://tenor.com/view/run-away-cute-baby-gif-15911985

[pure loom]

The first rule of EE club is.... we don't look at the meta data or try and brute force answers - ever since what we now casually call "the DUHMEISTER incident"

[balmy fog]

Oh!!! My bad

let me close it real quick

[tulip matrix]

Ah yes context! That definitely helps lol

[fringe trench]

and also me kinda cheating on the qr code lol

[pure loom]

those were the days. How innocent we were!

[tulip matrix]

Yeah now we know better and still do it

[timid solstice]

Its routine...

[tulip matrix]

._.

[timid solstice]

also there is a message in there now

[pure loom]

merely for comic effect of course

[tulip matrix]

oh hey

green

[timid solstice]

finally!

[pure loom]

https://tenor.com/view/die-hard-john-mc-clane-welcome-to-the-party-pal-glass-break-gif-15466663

[fringe trench]

https://tenor.com/view/walk-fours-the-a-team-gif-8052560

finalists be like

[tulip matrix]

[pure loom]

Duhmeister is Murdock

hahaha

[balmy fog]

ok

What clue we should be trying to resolve then

If the cipher cant be resolve or might need other clues

[pure loom]

t-rex/ammonoids, White Star Line take your pick!

amongst others

[tulip matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/the-a-team-murdock-gif-19249702

me looking for clues

[timid solstice]

I think looking at metadata is ok - this was hidden for a reason #easter-eggs message

Hi dear EE-hunters.!
Hope y}u are d%i€g... DON’T TRUST THEM? - KN ...$reat, h\ve a nice day.! From Embark with love.!

[fringe trench]

a lot of clues can be connected through wiki pages, so you can try looking through them. a lot of our time gets spent digging through them lol

[balmy fog]

where is that

[timid solstice]

#official-art message

[tulip matrix]

have has been halved

[balmy fog]

Did we ever found out who is KN?

[timid solstice]

halved?

[timid solstice]

no we didnt. but this could be another completely different hunt tbh, away from this tiered hunt.. we just dont know

[balmy fog]

Cant we just play the game?

lmao

[tulip matrix]

h\ve

cut in two

i dunno

bad joke lol

[timid solstice]

after "the DUHMEISTER incident" rob said no clues for this hunt will be hidden in the metadata - is why I say it could not be part of the tiered hunt.

[balmy fog]

What if its not an ammonoids

[tulip matrix]

maybe just lore related then

[timid solstice]

from the message

[balmy fog]

kinda looks like a compass too

shid nvm

[sharp flame]

Which file and how?

[balmy fog]

let me stream it

https://www.twitch.tv/embark_blank

brb we can talk on twitch if needed

if this can help, this is all the settings for the cyan pixel

[sharp flame]

Which pixel?

[balmy fog]

watch stream

[neon stream]

Green Duhy 💪🏻

[balmy fog]

for the cipher?

[fringe trench]

since theres gonna be more game modes for the finals, i wonder if they'll finally add a dino game mode

@balmy fog how did u get the hexadecimal sequence

[balmy fog]

I used the basics of it then went 2 - 4 - 2 - 4 because of the sequence

it has to be hexadecimal

[balmy fog]

might have something

Vigenère cipher

https://listverse.com/2012/03/13/10-codes-and-ciphers/#:~:text=4-,Vigenère,-This cipher is

AGIKMOQTXDGJLNPQ