#easter-eggs
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Yeah it's got the same style tho
That's interesting considering the coin catalogue reaction from Rob!
I wonder if we can tie it to corophium arenarium 🤔
Just continuing down The Louvre path - there is a museum in Abu Dhabi that is allowed to use “The Louvre” name. It is a series of buildings covered by a geometric canopy which has holes in it and projects light beneath. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louvre_Abu_Dhabi
The Louvre Abu Dhabi (Arabic: اللوفر أبوظبي; French: Louvre Abou Dabi) is an art museum located on Saadiyat Island in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates. It runs under an agreement between the UAE and France, signed in March 2007, that allows it to use the Louvre's name until 2037, and has been described by the Louvre as "France’s largest cultural ...
I don't know what it means, but im pretty sure this is 82/48 48/82
The dividing line is split in the middle!
I didn't see that
They're not fractions then
Sweet!
Interesting that it's just 4, 2 and 8 which comprise them
Something to do with binary?
Maybe ? I really have no idea haha
There's probably something that looks like this IRL if we can find it
Interesting that one is just the flipped version of the other
Yeah i thought so too.. Same but opposite
Two letters next to each other in maths could mean a line between points
(line AB is from A to B)
watch out before they go shakespearian on yall and go full iambic pentameter
Hiya my eggies, how's it going?
The left hand one looks more like 83
They could be 4 single-digit fractions, so 8/4, 2/8, 4/8, 8/2.

I think 48 and 82 are close enough to consider them one number though, how I read it
But the split does look too perfect
Not sure why they're completely adjacent then
(the single digit pairs)
To try and fool us? To multiply them?
Hmmm multiply maybe
but yeah we could also leave the numbers out and focus on the fact that it was just flipped on the other side
Yeah, it could just be symbolic
The Louvre has a glass pyramid above ground and a hundred metres away or so, an inverted one below ground.
Rob 👀 this
Maybe it is 82/48
How does Rob know my blood pressure while working on these Easter eggs? 
Simplifying to 41/24 doesn’t obviously help either
Morning, @prisma stump
the split fraction sign def means something
but I wonder if treating it as 82/48 will get us anywhere first
Hmmm, the Mona Lisa / Louvre and Solidus path seem to have been skipped over by Rob
I think this 82/48 stuff is probably gonna bear more fruit if we look into it then
A unique 5-star hotel nestled in the iconic building of the Louvre Post Office which offers 82 rooms and suites revealing panoramic views of all of Paris, the Eiffel Tower and Montmartre.
Probably coincidental
I’m gonna pursue this Louvre path until it doesn’t make sense
Yum. I love bagels.
Crescents, surely
True. The only thing is, I wonder if he stops 👀👀when we get very close?
Did he 👀 Mendelevium?
I'm just assuming these are correct interpretations of clues
But then he’s used 👀 a lot more in this tier
like 47 = /
or this 82/48
or the slashed O being Saturn rising over Titan
Or the Eureka stadium
Yeah, but the first time it was mentioned was when I thought Medical Doctor might stand for Md = Mendelevium and he didn’t 👀 that - but that’s very close to the answer
maybe cause it was mistakenly right haha
no it's almost certain
I think it's cause it would be too close
they obviously wouldn't wanna eye the literal answer
like when I said:
But… the Louvre by itself doesn’t seem that close, but who knows?
"There's even a comet named after Aethusa haha"
We need 👀 guidelines
or when Flex (I think) mentioned "79AD" in a list and it wasn't eyed
Yeah. Mean. 
but I'll be honest I don't think the Louvre or Mona Lisa is the answer
based on what we have so far at least
I don't see connections like the other answers
Workin on it..
82 is w
48 is u
double u / u ?
.
u / double u ?
I told the witch doctor I was in love with you
He needs to focus on the puzzle 
Inb4 Rob 👀
There are quite a lot of potential commonalities though - the glass grid/geometry/projection elements, the pyramids/triangles (especially the one on the most recent image which is pretty much identical to the inverted pyramid over the small normal one), the square that has similarities with the Stockholm one, the brown eyed girl (Mona Lisa), the white rabbit painting, the collection of historical figures in art (we’ve been presented with a collection of historical figures), the underground element (like a rabbit warren). The parts that are absent are the egg equation - although the absence of a notable egg in the Louvre could be interpreted as the “empty set”.
The problem is we have clues that seem unrelated to one another - the egg equation and the projection elements, for instance
and the Ovals/Colosseums?
Eureka Stadium I take as pointing to something honouring historical figures on earth
Just ovals, right? Do we have a clue pointing specifically to colosseums?
Nono just The colosseum was pointed at by multiple clues
but we have Rob's confirmation that that means ovals
Yeah, I’ve looked for an egg-shaped building with an oval, but not really found anything solid. The Louvre was where found a mix of those elements.
The egg equation seems significant
however its relation to the Colossus of Nero (of the Sun) also seems to be highlighted by Rob
The problem is that while the 👀 confirm things, their absence can go either way - either not right, or very very right
I mean it can't hurt to just work on confirmed things until they snap into place
it's a guaranteed result after all
I agree
Maybe I should move on from The Louvre path for a bit. I’ll go back to the egg
just need to find something which includes 82 and 48 (not in that form necessarily) in that way
I think we can anti-confirmation bias a lot of this stuff if we just ignore the rest
and work purely on clues
Also we shouldn’t forget “gruk” or “krug” (potentially “jug”)
That was a pretty well-hidden clue
Ah, maybe I missed that. How does it connect?
Ørsted Laboratory comes up more than once
just thought the Ø could also mean this one
honestly when we mix the ovals orbits and sun clues, Heliocentrism seems pretty central of a focal point
Looking at this, I see Piet Hein as a tertiary clue (with gruk being the quaternary clue) pointing to super ellipses or eggs used in structures
Yeah, the Stockholm one?
yeah, the one dedicated to the Sculptor of the Descartes Monument
the one which Piet designed
Hmmm
so a nice dual clue at the least
might be a triple, but a dual one for sure
Ellipses and Descartes
Is there a link for the Descartes monument?
no actually
it's quite well hidden
second paragraph of "Life"
isn't mentioned in "Works"
If you need anything read on the swedish wikis, let me know 😊
The letters were actually not in order like other clues, top left and clockwise
This is pretty crazy - remember when the first clue "Leith" was discovered we mentioned that it was a scottish river than flowed through Edinburgh? Well, on this image James Maxwell's birthplace is marked - he worked on cartesian ovals. Look at the shapes of the parks in the area along with the Leith River.
I suspect this is all coincidental, but pretty funny nonetheless
Also, Edinburgh would make a great map, just sayin.
hmmm... also in Edinburgh...
I might explore this a little more
I got to Edinburgh by looking at Cartesian ovals - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clerk_Maxwell
James Clerk Maxwell (13 June 1831 – 5 November 1879) was a Scottish mathematician and scientist responsible for the classical theory of electromagnetic radiation, which was the first theory to describe electricity, magnetism and light as different manifestations of the same phenomenon. Maxwell's equations for electromagnetism have been called t...
"Maxwell proved that the Rings of Saturn were made of numerous small particles."
Check this place out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Carlo_alle_Quattro_Fontane
The church of San Carlo alle Quattro Fontane (Saint Charles at the Four Fountains), also called San Carlino, is a Roman Catholic church in Rome, Italy. The church was designed by the architect Francesco Borromini and it was his first independent commission. It is an iconic masterpiece of Baroque architecture, built as part of a complex of monast...
Egg Church lol
The inside of its dome is pretty amazing too
Join in! Lots of clues, but we're haven't pinned it down yet
Oh so it'll take time?
Well, it's already taken a month, and we don't have the answer
We know it revolves around geometry - especially ovals, ellipses, circles and egg shapes
And the historical figures that worked on those shapes
Any path along those lines is possible
I'm down
I'll get on as soon as I get back home
Great!
Physics got owned by James Maxwell lol
Easter egg-related AI art for the day: “Euclidean geometry being taught by a white rabbit, photograph”
White rabbit getting depression over difficult mathematical questions
This chap is interesting, he was involved with the mathematics around the sections of cones (as were many we’ve already seen), and the UK parliament’s chief cryptographer: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wallis
John Wallis (; Latin: Wallisius; 3 December [O.S. 23 November] 1616 – 8 November [O.S. 28 October] 1703) was an English clergyman and mathematician who is given partial credit for the development of infinitesimal calculus. Between 1643 and 1689 he served as chief cryptographer for Parliament and, later, the royal court. He is credited with intro...
Also invented the infinity symbol
Early in December, Rob posted this when indicating that a new image was coming. “T-59” potentially also refers to this: https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/news/10084/titan-flyby-t-59-july-24-2009/
Clever nice find RHB!
Ok I was just thinking about the o = O clues… perhaps it’s newtons 3 law
As an example replace the image of earth and Luna with Saturn and Titan
Nice find!
that connects pretty well!
now I'm not sure whether Titan could be pointing towards orbits too
wanna add that the equation for an ellipse has two fractions... 👀
but for it to work, there can't just be 82/48, has to have an unknown X and Y
would have to be x2/48 + y2/82 or something
Got ya! Thx 
the more I look at it the less I think they're supposed to be taken as fractions
especially with the split line
oh ?
there's a very deliberate little gap in that fraction line
Yeah thats true
so either it's 8/4 and 2/8 or that line just is a way of telling us that 82 and 48 are just compared in the same clue
haven't found anywhere where 82 and 48 pop up yet
I've been kinda seeing it as 8/4 2/8. I just don't know what to do with it from here. It's not very google friendly
I need that message to refer back to lol
pin:
I very much see it
Same
there's just a lot of space to separate the singles yknow
they seem next to each other on purpose
Just realised 'Keep it simple' is another van Morrison song lol
What do we have on Van Morrison? Is it just Sputnik and Moondance ?
Clever!
And maybe “blowin your mind”
only clever if it means something 😭
sputnik seems like quite a strong connection
Good point!
yep yep ah okay
played in the Matrix Resurrections trailer and 1899 (the series)
Cowslip/s Warren is still something we need to get to the bottom of
okay I did a little dive into a weirder path
Cowslip = Cow dung
= ... Bullshit?
I only say this cause the Trammel of Archimedes (mechanism which generates the shape of an ellipse) are sold under the name "bullshit grinders"
have no idea if this is intentional or not haha
We assumed it was ascii, kinda fits
Haha i know, i fear the remaining clues will just be a lot of ellipses
that bright dot really sticks out
It sure does.
My guess would be titan, but its kinda hard to verify
also interesting little bright dots in his eye
and here
lotta dots there
this XV structure looks really weird
there is defo something below the V
Yeah, dont know what the FY next to it is either
Can't really see the FY
Im seeing this
oh whoop whoop
just realised Destination Moon is also the title of the Tintin novel with the same name
so another connection there
Interesting!
looks like By to me
ah yeah, I can see that
as good as I can get it. Seems like an "or" right next to the V? also the V extends downwards like an X?
Yeah it kinda looks to be something under the V. 🤔
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_Orionis almost sure this is wrong but might be an interpretation
man I wonder how hard Tier 3F is gonna be 😭
taking a while but atleast more art
Hi.!
T1E is not THAT hard to be honest, T1F might be a little bit harder... T2ABC & T2DEF are actually pretty obvious and T3 is a walk in the park... I mean we are only on Level 2, and you are still getting a lot of clues... The FINAL level on the other hand, well that is a completely different story... ._.
The FINALS™️ level is 100% when the game fully comes out
Hello Rob 👋
this is not supposed to be hard... So let's see how we get on then 😅
Got it
I think?
"Mount Rotoiti (82°48′S 162°14′E is a 2,900-metre-tall (9,500 ft) peak"
Named after: HMNZS Rotoiti (F625)
--> "Built by Henry Robb of Leith, the ship was launched on 21 August 1944.."
Mount Rotoiti has those latitude coordinates, named after HMNZS Rotoiti, a ship built by Henry Robb (a company) of Leith
I never expected any New Zealand-related clues in this lol - apart from say Ernest Rutherford
Yeah, I reckon so too.
Which image is this?
Thanks!
The upper part of this looks a bit like an arch on an old bridge
Going back through the clues and conversations around them, the camera obscura seems to be the best fit with many clues - light rays, projection, solar and eclipse observations, geometry. The historical figures we’ve come up with appear around it too.
I’ve tried all the various names for camera obscura I could find.
Wait… Ballarat, where Eureka Stadium is, is one of the places around the world to have a large camera obscura installation open to the public!
A camera obscura (pl. camerae obscurae or camera obscuras; from Latin camera obscūra 'dark chamber') is a darkened room with a small hole or lens at one side through which an image is projected onto a wall or table opposite the hole.Camera obscura can also refer to analogous constructions such as a box or tent in which an exterior image is proj...
It’s towards the bottom of the page
There’s no way that can be a coincidence after Rob 👀 the Eureka Stadium connection
Game delayed to 2032 
😭
This is pretty amazing (probably unrelated though): https://www.designboom.com/architecture/anthony-saroufim-the-egg-camera-obscura-beirut-02-16-2016/
Interesting too: https://www.princeton.edu/~graphicarts/2008/05/a_peep_egg.html
I knew it
There is a band called Camera Obscura - look where they played in 2021! Surely we have to be on the right path with the camera obscura now.
I knew lot of it was connected, but I couldn't really take it any further
Kepler helped design this place. It has 365 windows, and the piano room has 52, for every week of the year. There's also a 24 (hours) on the second floor
And a 31 for maximum days in a month, and a 60 for minutes
Very connected to the calendar
and the 365 clue
Also the main room is called the planetary room
For Camera Obscuras:
Also worth mentioning that a Helioscope is one of the first uses of a CO
Edmund Halley's grave – 'it can be seen today on the southern wall of the Camera Obscura at the Royal Observatory, Greenwich.'
hmmm
Not sure we’ve explored the vesica piscis path as much as we could have. This is an extension of that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuleaux_triangle
A Reuleaux triangle [ʁœlo] is a curved triangle with constant width, the simplest and best known curve of constant width other than the circle. It is formed from the intersection of three circular disks, each having its center on the boundary of the other two. Constant width means that the separation of every two parallel supporting lines is the...
“Because its width is constant, the Reuleaux triangle is one answer to the question "Other than a circle, what shape can a manhole cover be made so that it cannot fall down through the hole?"”
“In connection with the inscribed square problem, Eggleston (1958) observed that the Reuleaux triangle provides an example of a constant-width shape in which no regular polygon with more than four sides can be inscribed, except the regular hexagon…”
Eggleston… LOL
“Another class of applications of the Reuleaux triangle involves using it as a part of a mechanical linkage that can convert rotation around a fixed axis into reciprocating motion.[10] These mechanisms were studied by Franz Reuleaux. With the assistance of the Gustav Voigt company, Reuleaux built approximately 800 models of mechanisms, several of which involved the Reuleaux triangle.”
“One application of this principle arises in a film projector. In this application, it is necessary to advance the film in a jerky, stepwise motion, in which each frame of film stops for a fraction of a second in front of the projector lens, and then much more quickly the film is moved to the next frame. This can be done using a mechanism in which the rotation of a Reuleaux triangle within a square is used to create a motion pattern for an actuator that pulls the film quickly to each new frame and then pauses the film's motion while the frame is projected.”
Some possible relationships to clues there.
This opens up a whole range of paths from map projection to parallax 
To photogrammetry… interesting.
I mean Rob says it's not that hard
I hope that we can get to an answer with the few solids that we have
I think we are close, we just need a couple of little lucky breaks
Well apparently this /
should help
But I'm really not sure whether to go for a reachthefinals.com URL or not
/_\
cause that's something to sink quite a bit of time into
Maybe it just hints something about triangles
It does look sad, doesn’t it? :pepetriangle:
I think we should add an EE-related emoji per tier @prisma stump
Easter egg-related AI art for the day: “Crying Pepe the frog in the shape of a triangle, photograph”
This hits hard
Pepe got good back definition though. He’s been hitting the gym

Michael Maestlin, the first mathematician to provide a proof that necks don’t actually exist.
Impressive
This guy was the first person to use a convex lens in a camera obscura, he also had an interest in cryptography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giambattista_della_Porta
Giambattista della Porta (Italian pronunciation: [dʒambatˈtista della ˈpɔrta]; 1535 – 4 February 1615), also known as Giovanni Battista Della Porta, was an Italian scholar, polymath and playwright who lived in Naples at the time of the Renaissance, Scientific Revolution and Reformation.
Giambattista della Porta spent the majority of his life on ...
I wonder if the “dot” is actually Earth
Very well could be
Or Halley's Comet?
I wanna add that Galileo is quite involved in the experiment which Eureka came from
It's almost time to celebrate the new year and this level has really started to take shape!
Oh vell, I say they have ZERO chance of solving it before midnight... ._.
True 😭
clues:
Dusty: Shape
Rob: v instead of w, Zero as a clue
_
Reminder on Zero,
Sometimes called "Ducks Egg" or "Goose Egg"
Introduced to the West by Fibonacci a.k.a Leonardo of Pisa
In Fibbonaci's works there is "Commentary on Book X of Euclid's Elements (lost)"
Also, the original demonstration for the Fibonacci sequence was a Rabbit population multiplying
Also I cant do this right now, but there are 100% letters hidden on the confetti in the #official-art image
Someone please confirm
Saturn here
And here is an F, there are others (I saw an M and a V)
there is something here
haha, wow that is a rendering bug... cool feature but not related to anything... ._.
oh haha
First ever 👀
Yes, we don't make many bugs (LOL) but nah, there was one on an early screenshot where a sign had a broken shader in Unreal so it was only rendering part of the sign... hehe
Inb4 floating gas heater clue 
Happy New Year, by the way! 2023 is going to be an eggcellent year.! 
A floating lamp is not a bug, it’s a magical feature… ._.
I loved when I shot out lights and a magical cuboid popped out
indeed
M V A F I 8??
Wait what there’s stuff in that image and we didn’t look…
We are looking
Oh it’s new
I thought it was the xmas one from Twitter
Well the Christmas one is Embark so no cake
But the new year is just for TF
They don't usually multipost
It was a #server-announcements post in the first place.
I thought you knew the rules on that or something haha
can you pin messages?
Okay well I'm not sure if this qualifies or not
up to you really
If it has Easter eggs pin that sweet egg
They have been with the most recent ones
The Christmas or Manyhats?
I’m trying to look at the image but my laptop has decided that it has no boot
This tier ones I mean
Did anyone look at the xmas one just in case?
Whish hmmm
The word whish was first used in 1518
before I head off today, there are a few connections, including of Easter, on this page
Charles Matthew Whish (1794–1833) was an English civil servant in the Madras Establishment of the East India Company. Whish was the first to bring to the notice of the western mathematical scholarship the achievements of the Kerala school of astronomy and mathematics. Whish wrote in his historical paper: Kerala mathematicians had ... laid the fo...
i might be wrong but unless told otherwise any thing in the meta data are not clues
I've cut out and rotated what I think are characters and highlighted them here
Happy New year everyone! im off for tonight!
It appears deliberate in this instance. Additionally, Whish was part of the East India Trading Company - their merchant mark includes the letters ANNA (a former currency from India, which ended in 1957), which potentially matches the letters on the fingers of the last character.
I’d looked at the EITC before as they were involved with work around the Paris Meridian
If it's a "W" it would really narrow down the words.
If it's an M there's more possibilities
It's a good site btw!
::https://www.bestwordlist.com/c/f/4/wordswithfimvsize.htm::
oh vell.. Oval? 😄
Oviform?
I was thinking that too, though i havent found any o's
Those are pretty cool buildings!
Not sure if this is connected but Atlas have the designation Saturn XV

Good luck folks keep it up!
I think that's a pretty good possibility
I don't think I can zoom far enough that I can make out all the letters
Look at these sports stadiums in Hangzhou with the little egg-space between them. Pretty cute.
new finals map?
I’ve been wondering if the Cowslip’s Warren clue refers to rabbit burrows and how a burrow is essentially circular in cross-section - which is a way to relating it to o0OØ etc. This shape, which is along those lines, shows the intersecting circle shape we’ve seen earlier: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villarceau_circles
In geometry, Villarceau circles () are a pair of circles produced by cutting a torus obliquely through the center at a special angle.
Given an arbitrary point on a torus, four circles can be drawn through it. One is in a plane parallel to the equatorial plane of the torus and another perpendicular to that plane (these are analogous to lines of ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oval obviously a lot of clues are pointing here, but I have no idea what to do with it
Find its friends and interrogate them. 
Good idea. It'll make the rounds. One of them will fess up.
I might have found something.
This might refer to Saverio "Sonny" Morea.
He managed development for the F-1 and J-2 engines that later led to the Saturn V rocket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saverio_"Sonny"_Morea
I never knew how much algorithms extract our data until I started delving into random EE topics haha
Haha tell me about it!
looking at that again, It looks like the final letter is V?
UNNV?
UNNY?
SUNNY?
actually SONNY looks more likely
Tbh i thought it was V at first too, I just couldnt just get anywhere with it
UNNM
Did you guys find any more than these letters?
I mean surely we can find something from just those
there's a VM (Van Morrison)
not sure what to do with the 8 I F A though
also some of us were unsure whether the embark images all had easter eggs or not
but if you look in #official-art you'll see Rob has 👀'd the new year's image. So maybe we should use that as an indicator
could the triple star actually be pointing towards something arranged like this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Mind_Forever_Voyaging I used some of the letters, couldn't find a place for 1/I and 8/H
just realised H is the 8th letter so it could go there anyway
The Three Kings (Orion's Belt)
lotta binaries and triples going round
going to look at triple star systems
okay this guy comes up pretty quickly
very likely a coincidence, but this has 'egg' in the name and did work on triple and binary Star systems
This is an interesting video and quite relevant: https://youtu.be/lFEIUcXCEvI
I'm a professional programmer who works on games, web and VR/AR applications. With my videos I like to share the wonderful world of programming with everyone!
What are "non-euclidean" games and how do they work? We'll discuss the inner workings of games like Antichamber and Superliminal as well as discussing the theory behind non-euclidean geom...
Add non-euclidean maps to the finals pls
Ooh, Rob reacted
Ooh
While looking at the Wikipedia page on triangles I noticed this comment about the Flatiron Building (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatiron_Building): “In New York City, as Broadway crisscrosses major avenues, the resulting blocks are cut like triangles, and buildings have been built on these shapes; one such building is the triangularly shaped Flatiron Building which real estate people admit has a "warren of awkward spaces that do not easily accommodate modern office furniture" but that has not prevented the structure from becoming a landmark icon.”
Note: “…WARREN of awkward spaces…” - an interesting phrase to use.
Hmm
The Giza pyramids?
Also, the star symbols themselves look a bit like crosses, so maybe something relating to that?
I think the reaction is talking about the eyes on the official art post, hmm but it is under the image actually
yeah I was thinking that
but it definitely looks like the three stars is intentional here
Hopefully will have time to get back into the hunt soon. Lots to add to the doc too…
I updated the compilation if you guys wanna have another overview! Gn!
(Save or open in browser to be readable)
TIL members of Jefferson Airplane later formed Jefferson Starship who later formed Starship
Interesting fact: Marty Balin, the singer of the first two bands, created a nightclub...called The Matrix...🤔
And a guy called "Van Morrison" (don't know if you've heard of him... 😛 ) played in '67 there 😅
Live at the Matrix 1967 is a double live album by the American rock band the Doors. It was recorded at The Matrix in San Francisco on March 7 and 10, 1967 by club co-owner Peter Abram (the other co-owner was Marty Balin). The recording is notable as one of the earliest live recordings of the band known to exist, played to a mostly empty venue. B...
"r1-559094" is not the password (the matrix number of that album)
A matrix number would be a good password 🤔
A matrix number is an alphanumeric code (and on occasion, other symbols) stamped or handwritten (or a combination of the two) into the run-out groove area of a phonograph record. This is the non-grooved area between the end of the final band on a record's side and the label, also known as the run-off groove area, end-groove area, matrix area, or...
"blps-218" or "10868 8-1-67", for "Blowin' Your Mind!" don't work either. There are other identifiers but I'm too lazy to try them 😂
I know I sound like a broken record, but I think "king" is one of the clues that we are meant to find. Like "oval/circle/round/etc" is. Maybe "matrix" too
I’m confused - Live At The Matrix is a Doors album 
Oh yeah, I guess I misread, they played a song by Van Morrison 😂
Still, Van Morrison 😛
("Gloria")
Is on the disc two
Sorry, I've read many things and I'm still recovering from Covid 😂
Got it for the second time, again on Christmas 😅
Yeah, I’ve been wondering if it might have something to do with the geometry of crowns or Elvis (a music/king relationship).
I haven’t had much luck with sports arenas
Hmm I like the geometry of crowns idea
Is that something? I noticed that there's some confetti that's barely visible, that one seems to have like an 8 on it
Hmmm I can't see it now that I've shared the file 😅
😑
I see like a few pixels of a potential outline
I tried to improve it
Hmmm idk, I think I'll leave the image manipulation to you guys 😂
I feel like we have everything, and the answer is more obvious than we expect it to be
I also think we shouls focus on identifying possible "primary clues". The "oval/circle/etc" one seems to be the obvious one, but there should be other two
And we need more people to discuss ideas 😭
I wish i could help but i have no idea what to do or what cluse we have haha
You can check the Padlet or the Doc if you want. Flex's pinned messages also have some good summaries of the clues
But moral support is also welcomed 😛
Just keeping the chat active helps, so ideas are discussed
This is really great!
We need to be wrong multiple times before we can be right, and having people discussing ideas helps with that, because we keep each other on track
It's 'Brown_Eyed_Girl' and 'Keep_It_Simple' by the way
Great! I am good at being wrong! 
I'll try to use my brain and understand, the only clue i found was the creeper face awhile back
we need to be wrong
thank god
so technically
we're doing it right?
Yep
yesss
For over a month we have been doing it right! Yes!!! 
Exactly as planned
I’d like to speak to the person that made the plan… 
ye i see it
woah hello new name
Niiiice, someone with good PS skills. I don't know if it's something, but there's definitely something
Probably not worth looking, we should probably just focus on what we know
uhh what are we looking at
The confetti is there, just a bit faded because it's far away
Or is it something else than the confetti?
Some symbol that looks like an 8 on its side, or a lemniscate 🤷🏻♂️
looks like a 909 haha
Yeah, but again. Probably not worth looking, and we should focus on what we know
not that it leads to anything except William Herschel but I'd like to think Rob has this on his board somewhere
There are some letters on the other confetti pieces, has that been found?
On some it's more letter-adjecent, than actual letters but haha
Yeah, but no luck interpreting the clue
only known satellite of NGC 404
"..Donatiello collaborated with a team led by David Martínez-Delgado of **Heidelberg **University.."
"..to make further observations of the galaxy with the Roque de los Muchachos Observatory's **Galileo **National Telescope.."
whoo, a double
what's up with Nama's eye? Trying to cover up a bruise with some white makeup? 🤔
pac man
Haha, yeah, but I know the eye is the shape of pacman, i was talking about what's around it
What do you guys think could be the other "primary clues"? 🤔
This is how it looks on my main monitor, doesn’t show up very clearly on my “TrueColor” second monitor though
Oh yeah, I think it was mentioned before and Rob said it was an error
Here ☝🏻
🤔 Or Rob is the one who hit Nama and tries to cover it up? 😮
Okay reading into it
Sounds accurate
there are literally 10 Stars officially named after people
one of them is the Copernicus one
We know that both Rob and NamaTama are dangerous, so who knows
Only 10? 😮
Exactly
the unofficial list goes a bit longer
okay looking into Binary stars now,
You cracked it @west ingot That's it!
the first ones were Mizar (likely observed by Galileo) and Acrux, (in Crux)
now just tell where the face looks and that is our answer
and with Acrux:
"On 2 October 2008, the Cassini–Huygens spacecraft resolved three of the components (A, B and C) of the multiple star system as Saturn's disk occulted it."
more connecty stuff
Hey,
doesn't really get us any further though
Yep, it was so obvious all along. The Goonies. Duh 🥹
Well yes, next time ask me directly instead of searching for days, it really made sense... 🤣
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christiaan_Huygens anyone look into this guy yet?
very much yes. But if you have found any connections please share
just noted he also worked with elliptical maths, and has a connection to Rene Decartes which in turn has a slight connection to camera obscura stuff
in addition to the saturn/titan stuff. Also, could the fact that Titan gets squished together into an oval/rugby ball shape by saturns gravity be relevant?
Huygens family portrait, with what looks like, an egg?
Huygens was called "the new Archimedes." hmm
Also I think we've left behind the CCCLXV clue
--> 365
could mean year, but could probably also mean orbit. Noticed there was talk about an XV. Titan has a orbit of 15 days (+22hrs).
yeah, 365 days = 1 full orbit
also
I think I found the world's shortest wikipedia page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Velorum here's a triple star which the Galileo Probe discovered
also, unrelated
In Jurassic Park, Samuel L. Jackson's character finds a file called "Whte_rbt.obj" in which Dennis Nedry reveals he did it all.
Connection to the TREX
not sure how you got there, but nice find 😛
just reading through all of the references to the White Rabbit on wikipedia haha, as one does
I think this is what Rob said was a rendering error
I still believe it's a coverup of a blackeye 🕵️
Easter egg-related AI art for the day: "A group of geeks exploring a jungle made of large easter eggs, photograph"
Slightly concerning that the person on the left appears to have their head being eaten by some creature 
thats me
I only just noticed this
I've discovered what Rob meant by (831❤️ )
831 means 'I Love You' (i.e., 8 letters, 3 words, 1 meaning). In Malaysia, 831 often means 'August 31.' This page explains how 831 is used on messaging apps such as Snapchat, Instagram, Whatsapp, Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, and Teams as well as in texts.
Ok, following on from that, I have discovered something absolutely bizarre...
110D831 -> if you take it as being 110/831, you get 0.13237063778, and if you Google search that exact number you get no results. However, if you delete the last two digits you get a single search result.
Experimentation is for madmen and thrillseekers poll I would like to know how I can use lab texts in item creation, or more specifically: when can I start using them? For the explanation I shall use a lvl. 10 ReAq wand (enchanted device) as example. My ReAq lab total (LT) = 40 To be able to create an enchanted device, it has to be finished i...
It's a forum post about a game called Ars Magica in which you use a 10-sided die to play
In geometry, a pentagonal trapezohedron or deltohedron is the third in an infinite series of face-transitive polyhedra which are dual polyhedra to the antiprisms. It has ten faces (i.e., it is a decahedron) which are congruent kites.
It can be decomposed into two pentagonal pyramids and a pentagonal antiprism in the middle. It can also be decomp...
If this relationship to geometry is a coincidence, it is a very coincidenty coincidence
The Wikipedia post on 10-sided die has this line: "In geometry, a pentagonal trapezohedron or deltohedron is the third in an infinite series of face-transitive polyhedra which are dual polyhedra to the antiprisms." If you click on the word antiprisms you get this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiprism
In geometry, an n-gonal antiprism or n-antiprism is a polyhedron composed of two parallel direct copies (not mirror images) of an n-sided polygon, connected by an alternating band of 2n triangles. They are represented by the Conway notation An.
Antiprisms are a subclass of prismatoids, and are a (degenerate) type of snub polyhedron.
Antiprisms ...
A page which includes Euclid, Archimedes and Kepler...
Nice find! That makes total sense!
Funny that a 10-sided die looks a lot like the Volcom logo.
yes its been covered over, underneath is the "Wink" eye
I really wish we could search for reactions...
Oh wow, thats really interesting!
Oh thanks ill update it!
The white dot in the top middle of the eye, kinda looks like Saturn with the rings, right?
Taking a second look at the eye, it's quite weird
I can see that!
Gonna check the other eyes
Looks very much like the classic depiction of the planet and rings
I mean Saturn or not, it looks like what Rob wants us to look at
Since it's pretty detailed
the eye itself kinda looks like the secchi disk as well
Got lucky playing around with the stegography and finally found the end of the XV FY
Just realized XV could mean "o", if so we're back to o=0
yep I thought so too; #easter-eggs message
I wonder if it means;
O = Ø
Odin = Saturn
"what is equal to saturn?"
Saturn
Norse equivalent Odin
Is this what you mean?
Yeah
You can see it better here
Waiiit
I found it
Notice anything in the painting?
So there's the triple star
Funny that Saturn appears twice on the hat then
Yeah I read that a while back
We know Saturn and rings are super important
But apart from that we need to connect it to another thread
why this;
"The three stars at the top of the painting represent the planet Saturn as described by Galileo a few years before its painting."
not sure if the painting itself is intended then
Maybe Galileo's original illustration will look exactly like those 3 stars
"When Galileo Galilei first observed Saturn in 1610, he thought that the rings were enormous moons, one positioned on each side of the planet. Over several years of observations, he noted that the rings changed shape and even disappeared, as they changed their inclination with respect to Earth"
so 1610 he did discover them but it was much later that they were determined to be rings
"It was Christaan Huygens who first proposed that Saturn was surrounded by a solid ring in 1655."
The painting is actually the more accurate then
Can't find any other depictions which look like those 3 stars
I'll be honest I just stumbled upon that when looking at Saturn
fun fact when I first got a cheap telescope when I was younger, the first time using it I pointed it at a random star and it was saturn, I was in awe
The dots in olden photos look surprisingly similar to the backgrounds of these images
Galileo referenced there
Anyway the painting is of Saturn/Kronos eating a baby
HIS baby
so I was kinda iffy about posting the whole image
haha
I've only realised how hard it is to find that image
Since there's a near identical version of this painting
without the triple star
this one is found in the Wiki page for Cronus
monch
The wikipage for Nothing literally mentions Descartes, Huygens and Galileo
it's too connected
also, the Temple of Saturn and the Temple of Vespasian and Titus are adjacent. hmm.
Nice find! I saw that painting when I was with the Cronus theory, but didn't notice the stars 😂. The story with his children is quite messed up, I read about it back then and he's certainly not an exemplary father 😅
#KratosDidNothingWrong
Could the ring of Saturn also be pointing at the ring shape of certain Solar Eclipses?
Edmund Halley is known to have predicted an early Solar Eclipse
Wanted to join the club, haha
yes cult club
Okay more connection, the earliest use of "Camera Obscura" was by Kepler.
I made this list yesterday, I thought I'd share it:
King:
- Cronus (Saturn): King of titans
- Scythe: Points to Cronus
- TITAN: Points to Saturn/Titan
- Huygens-Cassini: Points to Saturn/Titan
- T-Rex: "Rex" = "King" in Latin
- 2061 Odyssey Three: Publisher = "Del Rey", "Rey" = "King" in Spanish
- Three Stars: Orion(not a cat 😛)'s Belt, aka The Three Kings
- Electricity Symbol: Zeus, king of gods
- Solar Corona: Crown
Emperor:
- Titus coin: Emperor
- Titus? Tatoo: Emperor
^^ another reaction
For king, you can add the Solar Corona (crown) too maybe
Done 👍🏻
I’ve tried every variation of oviform I can find
Aviform would be shaped like a bird, not an egg, right?
It would, and doesn't help us
For oviform, if we ignore the a, we'd be missing two Os
... like Rob's messages, crap
So the A is separate?
What do you mean by “ignore the a”?
If the word Oviform is intended to be construed from those letters
then we'd have to ignore the A
Which letters?
Oh
in the New Year's image
So we'd have OVIFORM without the Os
and also an A
if I'm not missing anything
Looking at the three stars/planet symbols got me thinking about the three-body problem, which in conjunction to the saturn hints led me here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janus_(moon) It is part of a system where two moons flip/change their orbits (maybe connecting to the 82/48 48/82 clue) which, if nothin' else is pretty cool on its own. Then the craters of the moons are named after characters in the legend of castor and pollux which are sometimes said to born from an EGG
Yeah I was looking at that too. It seems very in line with binary stars
also read a few hours ago about Janus actually
It's the 10th planet from Saturn
known as Saturn X
And now that you mention it, you could say Pollux also connects to Aviform, as he took the guise of a swan
(the 'Xth' clue)
Ok, this is weird, but if you search #vifrm on Twitter you get a bunch of tweets about some Norwegian sports ground or team (it’s hard to tell what it actually stands for)
I'll look it up
Yknow that's the last format I'd search for anything in ahaha
You don’t need to leave the A out - oviforma is the feminine version of oviform
oh it comes up in search nvm
In what language
Um, I’m guessing French?
The #vfrm thin is just an abbreviation of a matchup between the norwegian football team Vålerenga (VIF) and Real Marid (RF)
No that's an e
RM*
It doesn’t say which language
to the website
thanks
Also, did anyone look into how the Galilean moons are named after the lovers of Zeus which in turn was a naming suggested by Johannes Kepler?
wait I don't get the difference between en.wikipedia and en.m.wikipedia
seems everyone else is using it
I don't know either
idk it's just I've never heard anyone mention the how there's a version which is easier on the eyes
I don’t think so, as most of the clues have pointed to Saturn rather than Jupiter
learn something new every day I guess
I'm sure you've seen how Galileo is a previous connection too
You can choose between mobile and desktop versions at the bottom of the page
that makes sense
but it just looks better than the original
wonder why they don't update the old UI too
it's way more readable and accessible on desktop too
#darkmode
wait a minute
Is it just a coincidence that so many of the clues relate to greek mythology?
versus
You have to log in to use dark mode. I mean, seriously…
I mean the answer to the very first tier was the daughter of Poseidon
Aethusa 1064, an asteroid. the answer was 1064
Technically, I think it was the name of the plant that is similar to Poseidon’s daughter.
As far as I can tell most of saturns moons are named after titans from greek mythology
Which would mean, in a way, that the Titan clue points to the group rather than the individual. Oviform Vs egg for instance.
yes
What’s a group of eggs called?
Breakfast
Omelette?
that's a big omelette
wait went back to Aethusa
Apollo was her... partner... shall we say
"The word aethusa was used as an epithet for a portico that was open to the sun, that is, Apollo."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castor_and_Pollux I guess 4 births from eggs would constitute there being 4 eggs
A group of eggs is a clutch, also not the password. Missed opportunity! I could have made the clutch play 
Also I think we've all seen Apollo 16
the **10th **crewed mission, to the Descartes Highlands
using a Saturn V rocket
Apollo is also the god of the Sun
and obviously lunar stuff is a big focus to consider anyway
if this was a previous Tier, I woulda suggested this as the answer haha
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FEuclidean_geometry&psig=AOvVaw3vaeRXvK0cy451CK03pQwa&ust=1672940569709000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CA0QjRxqFwoTCOCJwrW7rvwCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAm https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fsolarsystem.nasa.gov%2Fresources%2F754%2Fwhat-is-a-lagrange-point%2F&psig=AOvVaw0EU5__aVatREX2Rkw3JcWb&ust=1672940896741000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CA0QjRxqFwoTCOiD69O8rvwCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAI
It's two image links. Could it be referencing stable lagrange points?
Know a lot about those from Star Citizen haha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helene_(moon) Saturn-Dione L4 lagrange point named after Helen of troy, the sister of Castor and Pollux, granddaughter of Cronus
could you DM me the two images so I can post them?
okay here
Sometimes you pray, and sometimes you gotta pick up the magnifying glass and do it yourself 🕵️
I uhh, I found the answer already, I'm just.. not telling
happy perihelion all
"perihelion (plural perihelia or (deprecated) perihelions) (astronomy) The point in the elliptical orbit of a comet, planet, etc., where it is nearest to the Sun."
surprisingly relevant
keeps rejecting the answer
might submit a complaint
The complaint form is accessed by submitting the correct answer. Have a nice day. 🌞
oh no worries, I'll go do that then
wait a minute
gimme a second
I think all the slashed Os are supposed to represent saturn
Which could make its equivalence with XV / 15 / O quite interesting then
can't find the post, but someone did mention Saturn XV, also known as the moon Atlas earlier
"In 1983 it was officially named after Atlas of Greek mythology, because it "holds the rings on its shoulders"
hmmm
With the “oviform” confirmation from both Rob and Dusty, I think the Cosmic Egg should be kept in the play as a possible path: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_egg
The world egg, cosmic egg or mundane egg is a mythological motif found in the cosmogonies of many cultures that is present in Proto-Indo-European culture and other cultures and civilizations. Typically, the world egg is a beginning of some sort, and the universe or some primordial being comes into existence by "hatching" from the egg, sometimes ...
I guess the lack of H in "Character" COULD be a hint to that? 🤔
Both Dusty and Rob have mentioned the word "time" more often in this tier, could be a coincidence 🤷🏻♂️
@proud minnow they are getting close...
Yes, impressive... BUT haven't they been at this for like 48 days now.?!
Wow, that's a lot of time.
48 is a 0
if 47 is a /
also there is literally only one clue I can distinguish
and that is the 48
hmm, either we need to review the previous messages more, or we are actually close
Seems more like 57 to me. 
Speaking of which, I sat on a rabbit hole yesterday (metaphorically
), but with Rob’s “48” post, it definitely seems worth mentioning now. I was wondering about VM 57 and whether it might have a double meaning.
I wondered if V M might stand for Virgin Mary - it just happens that there are two possible years that she might have died 57 AD being the latest, and… 48 AD being the other one. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary,_mother_of_Jesus
Mary was a first-century Jewish woman of Nazareth, the wife of Joseph and the mother of Jesus. She is a central figure of Christianity, venerated under various titles such as virgin or queen, many of them mentioned in the Litany of Loreto. The Eastern and Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, Catholic, Anglican, and Lutheran churches believe th...
Where to go with this? God only knows! 
If it’s a path worth following how could oviform and the Virgin Mary be linked? Halley’s Comet could also come into play with the birth of Jesus, as it was possibly the “star of Bethlehem”
Eggs are a symbol of purity, so I guess it could be linked that way
I hate to break it to you, but unfortunately both "Rocks" are wrong, I also know... ._.
In another life 👋
o7
Farewell. And may the force ever be in your favour! 👋
o7
We've been at it for 47 days
"Rocks". Anyone see a viable connection between Mary and 2 stones? All I could find was about the "Virgin of the rocks" paintings. However, we've mentioned 2 "rocks", right? Saturn X and Saturn XV (pretty big rocks). Are there more mentions from earlier? Just joined this EE hunt and tried catching up as much as I could, but I might've missed a "rock".
I think he meant I’m wrong.
Yeah, I’m not sure either.
I got that, however, "rocks" just seems so specific. English is my second language, but that doesn't sound like any english idiom I've ever heard of
That’s not unusual for Rob. 😂
Being in this channel is a learning experience for everyone
I mean the only two people who spoke before the replied message were me and Rockhound
and I personally don't consider myself a rock
I mean he's saying that Rockhound is wrong, and some other rock is wrong
it does sound weird
Wow, I'm dense, did not even think to consider it referring to @pure loom directly. Guess my head is a little too far shoved down the rabbit hole.
Weird is the new Byzantine Empire 
It's still one out of two rocks
Rockhound did post 2 messages, one statement about 57, and another about that relation to Mary
Both related to the Virgin Mary though.
Is this the first time Rob has straight up told us that we were wrong?
just seeing how intentional this message might be
I think so. We’re wearing him down! 
okay there is a single mention of rock/stone on VM's page
Lapis Lazuli
however
Rob has explicitly advised us to not follow this
so I will leave that there until other indication
... 👀
Do as you like, but I’m assuming I’m wrong and it’s nothing to do with the Virgin Mary
Yes, this was just a little taunt... two famous "Rocks" said "God only knows"... and they are both wrong since I also know the answer, hihi... ._.
It was hard to connect other clues to her anyway
Oh! Hahaha 
I mean I guess we are close enough that Rob doesn't want us falling down any other pits
I like meeting new rabbits! Haha
To be honest it's actually not just "hard", it's more or less impossible, when I put it in there I actually thought "NO ONE will EVER find this link"... I still don't think anyone will figure it out, but it was VERY impressive that RHB found the SECOND meaning of VM... but if anyone find the actual link between the second VM and the actual password... I will send you an unique THE FINALS gift... ._.
WOAH
wait so is Rockhound so wrong he's right
The link is that I said her son’s name in vain many times while trying to solve this puzzle! 
I don't think we'll get the answer from it
but I reckon we.. could get it from the answer
well done btw
If you remember that we talked about primary, secondary, tertiary and quaternary clues a while ago... well I would say that this is probably a nonary clue, hehe.!
if this first confirmation of all the Jesus clues we've been getting..?
I’ve looked down A LOT of rabbit holes! Hahaha
oh so this only links to this answer and nothing else
Don't follow RHB down this hole, haha
okay I'm getting reverse psychology vibes from this, hmmm
surely we finish this by this week 😭
🙏
This year maybe 
I reckon we are close
But don't spend time on anything regarding VM now, you might just get lost again... ._.
if you say so 
Anyhow… oviform… 
lotta egg shapes
they repeated it, so surely we should focus on it
is.. our answer.. also oviform?
Hey fellas what step are we on?
Every time Rob says we don't have to follow a path I think of this 😂:
All copyrights © Warner Bros. Films
Ripped from the region 1 version
one of many
we're nearly on the final step of the 5th part of the 1st step of the 2nd level
so, simple enough 🧠
okay you know what, I think we can really do this
it should be easier if we just take the unrelated topics, and see how they connect
Cause plenty of these clues can be grouped into the same person/topic
but not all of them
are you referring to any specific clues in particular?
😐
I'd have to look
...Solanum Melongena?
name for Eggplant
Solanum -- Of the Sun
I've tried looking at it from only the first image
since it's strictly solvable
and has one of each clue thread in it
there are only 10 observations we've made there
(one of which is that damned 110D831)
I was looking at the wiki page for zero the other day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0 (which I think is full of all our clues) on that page there is a bit that talks about Counting Rods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counting_rods , which is what I believe the pattern on the microphone is. In the counting rod system that pattern translates to 48. Which I think is our link to robs latest clue. Also the zero wiki has links to most of our clues so far, its got eggs, its got cipher which I think is a Matrix link, its got our maya zero, its got our slashed zero, its got stars. Hopefully you guys can find stuff on there that I missed.
searched for it and it appears once only in a catalogue
48 seems like a likely interpretation actually, yeah
since it's 0
in ASCII
I turned 110D831 to 1104831
found this..?
"is derived from Greek chrysis, chrysid-, 'gold vessel'"
The "World Egg" relates to a golden womb and depictions of gold eggs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiranyagarbha
Pretty sure I saw the same thing talked about with the orphic egg, but can't seem to find it again
I guess it also connects to Piet Hein and his superegg (in brass)
looking at the first image
I kinda see something that almost looks like a clue?
also this is the 110D831 that I'm mentioning
If 0=Ø it might signify to remove 0 as any set containing a 0 numerical value would not be considered empty (from my limited understanding). Doing so gives a hex value: #11d831
heeeeey
so any o, O and 0 should be considered as 'null' and removed from any string, int or variable?
well the O = 0 = o = 0 seems to point that way
0 appears twice
It could be that Os are meant to be read as 0s
'null' explicitly equates to absence
equally as likely
something interesting
the term 'Red Herring' (used by Rob a few messages ago) was first coined when using smoked fish to distract hounds from chasing a rabbit
hmmm
Titius (similar to Titus..?)
named after the Discoverer of Ceres
"His biological work was influenced by Linnaeus"
and yeah all I see is Saturn in her eye
just gonna throw it out there: VM could be a norwegian/swedish translation of the abbreviation for the world cup (soccer to all ya'll americans in our mists)
I wonder if this mean we should look at the Kronos-Time angle?
Also good morning!
Or maybe just another hint to saturn
When researching that, make sure you make the distinction between Chronus and Cronus
Could be,. The Orphic egg birhted Phanes, which has connections to Chronos
As in: the greek mythological personification of time
Yeah, the one with H is the time guy. The one without H, the Greek Saturn 😛
Oh right. Yeah I did confuse the two of them 😅
I'll share this again in case it's relevant now, and one of you sees more connections
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phanes Phanes has also been named Lord Priapos, god of fertility, protector of livestock, fruit plants, gardens and male genetalia. Phanes seems to be connected to Chronos as father/son, and this wikipedia page talks about how a sceptre was passed down through the lineages and/or siezed by force which seems to represent the role of ruler/king. The sceptre eventually reaches Cronos before Zeus takes it. Some Orphic myths refer to Zeus intending to pass the sceptre on to Dionysus. Dionysus is given a list of 9 epithets in Orphic hymn 30, copied of wikipedia:
πρωτόγονον primeval διφυῆ two-natured
τρίγονον thrice-born Βακχεῖον ἄνακτα Bacchic lord ἄγριον savage
ἄρρητο ineffable κρύφιον secretive δικέρωτα two-horned δίμορφον two-shaped. This mean anything to anyone?

