⚡┇the-finals-chat

[gray quail]

RPG skins

[obtuse lion]

Today for the first time I get a notification that Denuvo Anti-Cheat is starting. I never heard of it.

[pine nova]

You got me there...

[silk agate]

could embark do a OG FINALS ranked mode? with every stats just like in OB or S1?

[gleaming moss]

Well this is about arc raiders, so far they're heading in the same direction as r6 siege, 3 good skins released in 10 years

[main portal]

https://tenor.com/view/chaos-gif-22919457

[half lantern]

you have the chinals for it their version is on open beta right now

[silk agate]

chinals?

[pine nova]

https://tenor.com/view/usagyuuun-fire-chaos-gif-4682365016896994860

[half lantern]

the chinese version of the game

[gray quail]

R6 is burning as we speak

[silk agate]

why would they make a chinese version with stats from v1ß

[main portal]

https://tenor.com/view/honk-chaos-love-goose-untitled-goose-game-gif-11454075053521551723

[spare basin]

peak

[half lantern]

the chinese version is taken care of by tencent so tencent decides what to buff what to nerf

[spare basin]

Rou Rou (I'm a pigeon 🐦)

[gleaming moss]

They mostly have their own versions of games, for different monetization plus they have rules about games to remove most things about killing / death / blood. Afaik that's why they had green blood in PUBG

[half lantern]

i don't think we have killing and blood in the main game do we

[spare basin]

we got money

[silk agate]

open beta and s1 finals was so good and fun to play.. they fkd the game with the overbalancing

[main portal]

goose has to go to bed now. goose will provide your daily goose when i wake up.

[half lantern]

this is why pubg became a game show lore-wise

[spare basin]

wut was the funniest load out

[main portal]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-13774575

[gleaming moss]

And chinals make their own skins there too, that we don't have / will never see

[spare basin]

peak goose

[silk agate]

c4 on explosives

[half lantern]

we might because technically fangwai city is a made with tencent

[gleaming moss]

I hope so, but my wallet doesn't

Not very tempting to spend more $ on this game in its current state

[half lantern]

it'll remain like this until we get more new players which is borderline impossible

[half lantern]

i think rumor is the chinals is going to give out all the previous battlepass skins for free thru events

[gleaming moss]

Really sad what's going on (not going on) with the finals

[spare basin]

can u launch someone with RPG? like in Fortnite

[half lantern]

its starting to feel like starcraft/heroes of the storm where the game is alive but is barely getting content besides seasonal updates

[silk agate]

nope

[spare basin]

isn't the game lore supposed to be sweaty ?

[half lantern]

yeah esports in a game with 15k daily players is funny

[spare basin]

u got sponsor u got a training room

[gleaming moss]

Yup, this was my fav game for so long, getting tired of my own negativity and complaining, but what else can we do xd

[silk agate]

they do this shit since s2 and fucked up the hole game with their overbalancing.

[gray quail]

Cus the skill level is increasing

[spare basin]

a lot

[gray quail]

Me n @spare basin can speak on that huh

[lament nexus]

Casual?

I have a lobby RN where a Team full of light dominates all teams at once xD

And thats nothing new

[half lantern]

i wouldn't say its increasing a lot its just players are getting matched with other players thats above their skill level

[gleaming moss]

Balance team thinks fps gamers wanna play semi fire weapons, I don't think that's correct

[spare basin]

Before having my new laptop i saw a lot of content before... and yea ppl are cookers

[half lantern]

if you look at vods and clips people from 1 year ago isn't that much worse than people now

[silk agate]

its not about skill its about fun. u dont play this game for competitive but for fun. u wanna destroy, explode, jump on their heads and embark thinks this is gonna be the next counter strike, dota like game

[lament nexus]

it was never casual

[spare basin]

I mean when you got the most well design gamemode

[half lantern]

it could have been a goofy game with sweats still sweating

[gleaming moss]

For me it feels like they don't know what they want it to be

[silk agate]

they need more fun implented just like in s1

[half lantern]

there really isn't anything to compare with but it could might as well be fortnite where top level gameplay exists but casuals can still have fun, and top level players play in the same "casual" base game

the game isn't stopping sweats or pros by being goofier but is going to stop casuals by being more competitive, at the end of the day sweats are going to sweat, and personally i would feel much more fun to sweat in a game where its funny

[silent lichen]

Is everyone else also preloading shaders with every launch?

[half lantern]

yes

[silent lichen]

Wassup with that?

[half lantern]

its been like that since the season 9 update for me

[gleaming moss]

Yep same

[lament nexus]

Hot take, just take out the light class and it will be a casual game xD

[gleaming moss]

https://tenor.com/view/burnt-peanut-side-eye-the-burnt-peanut-gif-6339277251445282356

[vital pier]

light is fun to play

[gleaming moss]

Same, as solo light is better anyway, don't have to rely on dumb mediums to pad me around

[vital pier]

heavy you shut your brain off and win

[small hearth]

crazy they added back the old battlepasses 💀 🙏

[lament nexus]

Thats normally the lights. with heavy you have to work with your team. Light got all the movement and all the damage

[half lantern]

thats one of the best updates they ever did

[vital pier]

if light didnt have damage it would be a completely useless class

[lament nexus]

Not if light would do damage in close range, but they can spread damage across half the map with a smg

[gleaming moss]

And still a good heavy will 180 and kill a light that had the element of surprise

[vital pier]

bfr can 2 shot a light so and deagles exist

[vital pier]

yep or just winch a light since they dont got domes lol

[gleaming moss]

Ah yes the 1 button autowin, thanks embark

[abstract juniper]

how are people still complaining about light even though its consistently been the weakest class in the meta since the betas

[vital pier]

just a stronger stun gun until 3 weeks ago

[lament nexus]

Winch a light and he directly Sprint bursts a mile away

[vital pier]

if you cant kill a light after winching them then you are doing something very wrong

[cedar frigate]

cursed image

[vital pier]

ive won fights in a 1v3 as a heavy with shak and winch its dumb

[cedar frigate]

so u won with heavy meta

[lament nexus]

and with a light you can dezimate 2 teams with sprint burst and shogun.

[vital pier]

yeah heavy is op

[harsh timber]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-surprise-surprised-neko-catgirl-gif-158092290407735186

[vital pier]

ever heard of lockbolt or having teamates

[harsh timber]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1108862733534908466/1224393865474085074/nama_writing_that_down.gif

[vital pier]

or are you just complaining about bad teamates rn lmao

[lament nexus]

na, just the light outmanouvering everyting

[silk frigate]

Just give my minigun its former glory, i want to play it non-stop so bad

[abstract juniper]

just say u got terrible tracking gang

[wooden temple]

Hey guys. Im looking through my outfits, and I see a locked outfit from season 6. I completed that bp when it was out. Anyone know what's up with that

[vital pier]

well if a class that can be erased by everything didnt have movement then id be concerned

[lament nexus]

mybe locked due to a bug?

[wooden temple]

Except its an alternate style to the tier 100

[lament nexus]

If you get erased by everything. maybe you should take a look at other lights. They outmanouver a heavy esyly if he doesnt play with controller or they vision tech them.

[vital pier]

its getting hard to read these messages

[wooden temple]

I think its showing me the bonus reward outfit from season 6. Wasn't alfa acta one of the sponsors that season?

[lament nexus]

yeah sould be alfa

[wooden temple]

Thats probably what it is, because I never finished the bonus rewards

[lament nexus]

is it maybe the elternative valkery skin?

[vivid coral]

Yup

[wooden temple]

Thats what it is.

[vivid coral]

Because I finished it

[wooden temple]

Idk why its showing me that if there isnt a way to unlock it

[drowsy ridge]

I'm playing quick cash

[cedar frigate]

thank you for that information King Adam13 aka 590687_

[prime dawn]

Hello, downloaded the game recently, some one wanna play with me?

[austere tinsel]

@hardy bridge https://tenor.com/view/dog-falling-scooter-gif-14122268448026656149 stolen valor

[silk agate]

bros is there a way to give back a skin? bought the m11 popcorn cuz i thought it has some special sounds or so but its just boring af

[sage goblet]

Why can't I create vc anymore did something change in the server?

[soft rain]

You can't return items, no. Sorry

[low prawn]

gotta level up it rubbish

[sage goblet]

Is that a new thing

Like I remember being able to at one point

[soft rain]

-levels You need the first role. If you left the server and joined back, you'll automatically get the role again on the next level up.

[amber jacinth]

Our leveling system

"Why can't I do some things in the server?"

• You may need to level up first!

How to level up? Just look around and join conversations. Lots to talk about!

Lvl 0: Newbie 0xp
• join VC • make bug reports • chat in most channels
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Check your rank: #🏆┇rank-check

[low prawn]

idk i just join and cant play with peop eon this server cus i cant create a vc

[sage goblet]

But why can't I now I never left

Can I see how much xp I need to level up?

Or what level I am?

[soft rain]

I doubt you were able to, it has been like that for a long time. You can check your XP over at https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1009841693593440367 and typing -r there

[sage goblet]

How do you get xp

Is it just from messaging

Or like what can I do to get xp

[soft rain]

Yup, just yap with people

[sage goblet]

Do I get 1 xp per message or what?

[chilly holly]

Yes

[somber forge]

start yapping

[brazen oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-mad-skeleton-gif-10886506202898815019

[sterile lion]

anyone want to play ranked?

[drowsy ridge]

I got 100 kills

[exotic sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1250262281430896712/1454819793524883598/speed.gif

[brazen oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/skiolie-skelee-gif-14514021359854418962

[drowsy ridge]

I got 50 kills in my game

[exotic sparrow]

baller gif thank you for giving it to me

[covert flax]

RAAAA
bonk bonk bonk

[brazen oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-shield-christmas-festive-spirit-gif-17455474338008847326

[covert flax]

morning chat
I woke up at 2PM AAAAAAAAAaa

[errant prairie]

Christmas! Just a week away!

[grave river]

are servers down? me and my friend are not able to start the game because of error TFLA0029

[night lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/paladin-eso-nameless-knight-knight-gif-11483325911537984746

[patent basalt]

me too

[eager hull]

am i the only one getting "kicked from the server"?

[exotic sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1250262281430896712/1454819793524883598/speed.gif

[glass knot]

hows it goin big dawg

[rancid schooner]

Nah me too I can't play the game

[frozen shale]

ObaliX33 and Greg. fuck you for smurfing in wt. go touch some grass

[glass knot]

world tour...

[somber forge]

old habits lol

[glass knot]

unranked cashout i assume

[frozen shale]

wt

i am not calling it cashout

[glass knot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1393014371373809745/1400737478683656212/caption.gif

[frozen shale]

cashout, formerly world tour

[turbid sonnet]

formerly unranked tournament…

[somber forge]

what color should I make my LEDs in my pc?

[frozen shale]

purple

[glass knot]

puddypink

[frozen shale]

it was never called unranked tournament tho

[cedar frigate]

the most obnoxious shi to keep you locked in when playing the finals

[somber forge]

its on the floor I dont think Ill see it when im trying to lock in LOL

[glass knot]

https://tenor.com/view/that-was-a-long-time-ago-arlo-guthrie-cameo-far-in-the-past-many-time-ago-gif-19944275

[frozen shale]

it was just called tournament iirc

[glass knot]

why does my PC keep blackscreening and freezing? my old pc bluescreened for good, i got a new one a while ago, and its happening again.

[turbid sonnet]

time for a new pc again ig

[glass knot]

man i dont have the money for that shit

[somber forge]

when playing this game or just in general?

[tardy dirge]

does anyone else think that the legacy battlepasses should cost less than the current ones?

[glass knot]

In general. Only started again within the last month.

[somber forge]

made sure all your components are up to date and such?

[forest saddle]

i cant help you but i think i know people who can

[glass knot]

Yeah, im not 100% sure how to check my drivers for my Graphics card

[forest saddle]

https://youtube.com/shorts/p__Z1sfjzqk?si=C9GJGDX6T5KdseTv

[west granite]

I still remember when i was the only person on my team in a game of quick cash (both teammates left) so i became a hoovy and believe it or not, the other team didn't attack me

[somber forge]

for your gpu Id recommend downloading its respective program. AMDs got Adrenalin and Nvidia have their Nvidia App

[glass knot]

I have adrenaline.

[somber forge]

it should automatically notify you but go into the app and on the top right where the little gear for settings is, click it and then hit the red button that says manage updates

[drowsy ridge]

I got 100 kills

[glass knot]

@somber forge it seems to be when I alt/tab it really fucks with me, i dont know why that specifically

[somber forge]

how many monitors are you using?

[edgy zenith]

i just left a match with tsm metro in solo q ranked, he is 44k and im 22k RS. earlier this week i played both envy bizzy and that STN fella who are both in the top 10 currently

[glass knot]

2

[glass knot]

Ranked do be like that this season.

[edgy zenith]

i have never gone higher than plat 4. this game makes me want to cry dude its so fucking unfun

i run into multiple pro clans a day (i play like 5-10 matches a day) and im low gold. BELOW average most of the time. it makes me wanna quit

[glass knot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1362309335274754199/nanamytama.gif

[edgy zenith]

earlier today in solo q i ran into a trio of the ape pro team

[glass knot]

what are you using for soloq

[edgy zenith]

using..? i play light grapple or medium heals or whatever really

[half lantern]

@edgy zenith i think if u just didnt play rank the game would be much more fun

[timid kindle]

anyone want to play ranked? I'm only silver 2 with 40 hours in the game but i have over a 2 kd and was Iridecent in Warzone so know my way around an fps

[frozen shale]

I feel like this is a lose-lose for embark. They can't fix matchmaking because not enough players, and if they dont fix, people are going to leave which reduces the player count even more

[half lantern]

i do play ranked but unranked is so much more fun

[glass knot]

thats ranked for you.

[edgy zenith]

well, i started playing ranked one season ago. and i like having ""fair"" fights. in unranked cashout i ALSO run into pros lol..

last season i had none of these complaints, i would be frustrated by someone 4 tiers above me

[fresh kernel]

Bro my Uncle is the absolute goat

[glass knot]

I don't see Furry Feet in there, whats up with that.

[frozen shale]

Huh

[half lantern]

i mean the issue had been around for seasons this isn't new, if ur in NA or europe you should just try to play either server during peak hours of that region

[frozen shale]

Level 32 ruby s8?

[glass knot]

Dude Im saying that your gonna run into good players and thats that. People will smurf and be idiots but you just have to get used to it., Go into any comp setting and there will be low level high rank players. its not a new thing., and yes, the matchmaking isnt perfect, but embark is a good company and I know they're trying to do the best with the players they have. they deserve a better community that doesnt consist of a bunch of whiners.

[high pier]

i play about 12 hours a day at times, im NA and no this really doesnt help i will still get level 20 teammates with hardly any kills (~5k max) and level 130 enemies with dozens of thousands of kills (im level 99 with 18k kills)

[somber forge]

Right? Sticking to Point Break, its way more fun bro

[high pier]

prolly carried by hackers or some

[edgy zenith]

smurfs, cheaters exist in every game. they existed in the last season, ive played tons of competitive games my entire life.
this is way worse, when i get put in a lobby where im an avg player and they are a trio of stacked rubies with 10x my play sessions and double my ELO... it is a broken system that defeats the entire purpose of having a rank to begin with

[high pier]

it's even worse out of ranked lol

[frozen shale]

Yes I understand that. But more than 2 years have passed and they still haven't fixed the major issues that have been plaguing the game since the betas. The matchmaking is still fucked. The cheaters still run rampant. There is no proper hardware bans being issued still.

I love embark and have been supporting them from the start but at one point enough is enough. They don't even commuicate with the community freely that they acknowledge the issue and if they are working on it

[half lantern]

the anticheat available on the market just isn't good enough, plus other games usually have tons of non cheating players so that its less common to run into the same cheaters again and again

[glass knot]

I've only ever ran into one cheater. 1600 hours in the game, at least 700 of those playing ranked.

[carmine lintel]

I dont think client side anti cheats are the only form of anti cheats there is

[frozen shale]

#💥┇spawn-point message

That is just last 4 days which are banned. So many and i mean so many go unbanned

[half lantern]

that is true, but most times client side anti-measures are much more effective than say something like pattern recognition, either way denuvo and eac isn't close to a reliable anticheat

[frozen shale]

For the amount of blatant cheaters the game has, their implementation of anticheat is not enough

[hard needle]

Do we get notified if a cheater from our reports get banned?

[frozen shale]

It was fine if there were a cheater once a week or something. But it is every other game

[frozen shale]

You get a "thank you for reporting" message

[floral stag]

I need one peak emerald player for a YouTube video. Also, they can’t be higher than gold in ranked.

[hard needle]

After he gets banned or when I report?

[frozen shale]

After they get banned. Also they dont tell you who got banned. Just a generic thank you

Even marvel rivals has a better report system. They let you know who got banned for what. Nothing in this game

[hard needle]

Thanks I've seen someone getting mid match but never seen one from reporting

[half lantern]

most popular games have people manually review suspicious behavior, for the finals there just isn't enough players and revenue for embark to consider this

[hard needle]

I tried that game but uninstalled instantly can't figure out wth is going on 😭

[frozen shale]

Was it a "xxx has been kicked for violation of our fair play policy"?

[hard needle]

Yeah

[frozen shale]

Yeah I've seen plenty of those

They just join back tho like nothing happened

[loud phoenix]

Are the servers down? I cant get in

[tall verge]

so damn tough damn

[frozen shale]

No

[tall verge]

#🔥┇drip-check

[half lantern]

theres this on the chinals https://imgur.com/a/o0qICiZ

[glass knot]

game crashed again 😭

[pine sage]

Servers down ?

[frozen shale]

"for 7 days"

[glass knot]

No, my poopy PC has its issues.

[languid lark]

It's amazing that they end up looking different almost every time.
Says something about how good the customization is

[pine sage]

Maybe it's bc of servers or wifi

[frozen shale]

Just a tiny little spanking no big deal. No actual punishment

[glass knot]

Ball Torture

[half lantern]

im guessing it increases each time they get banned

[frozen shale]

They should be reported to the ccp for cheating

[half lantern]

also the rs you lost to cheaters are refunded

[wheat cargo]

Might be to be conform to every privacy law in the EU, plus it's not a competition to get people banned.

But that's my personal take

[half lantern]

that should be everywhere, i think in korea you get jail time for cheating?

[frozen shale]

What privacy? They aren't revealing your gov id name. Just the in-game gamertag

[wheat cargo]

the less info given out the better.

[half lantern]

speaking of privacy aren't we all getting recorded when we use game voice chat

[wheat cargo]

That's stuff that is covered by the TOS.

[frozen shale]

But do i not deserve to know who was actually cheating and which of my reports got reviewed and acted upon?

[half lantern]

i mean might as well have letting us know who got banned also covered in tos

[wheat cargo]

that's an odd comparison

[cerulean stratus]

23k, my teammates are both 11k, and I only get 400 for 2nd 700 for 1st

they gotta work on this

[frozen shale]

I would really like a region-wise report of how many players get banned every day. How many daily bans in NA / EU / Asia

[carmine lintel]

they tell you that you're being recorded as soon as you turn on vc

[half lantern]

some of our other info is already being taken so it wouldn't matter if something like the gamertag is also given

[glass knot]

quit pressing the mods

[carmine lintel]

if we go by your logic, we should let everyone have the voice chat recordings

[edgy zenith]

publicly shaming banned players is a huge W for society and theres nothing in the tos or eu laws to prevent it

[half lantern]

thats true, still, letting people know which gamertag got banned isn't that big of a deal in terms of privacy and is only going to benefit the community

[frozen shale]

I wouldn't even call it public shaming. No one knows who you are or who i am or who the cheater is. Just let us know who got banned so we can improve our reporting. I want to know this so that i can go check my recordings and know what verified cheaters look like and that I am not just salty because they were better than me

Isnt the point of gamertags anonymity?

[cerulean stratus]

not necessarily lol

[frozen shale]

Care to explain?

[carmine lintel]

I dont see how it would benefit the comm

[cerulean stratus]

It's just a name, there are hundreds of thousands of John's in the world so they can't all just name themselves john

[carmine lintel]

maybe providing ban statistics as in numbers would be nice, naming is more or less useless

what do I care if gloriousneck67#4756 got banned and I get to know it

[frozen shale]

They will never do that tho. No gaming company will ever give those numbers out

[cerulean stratus]

runescape does

[half lantern]

if we know who got banned we could also exclude them from the community because right now closet cheaters could very well be lfg and playing with others

[radiant wolf]

tbh if anything I'd like to know if a ban confirmed message was from a cheater or someone griefing/offensive profile/etc

[carmine lintel]

making a new account:

[frozen shale]

I care. So that i can check back the recordings and figure out how they were cheating. So i can improve my skills to recognize a genuine cheater and reduce false reports

[cerulean stratus]

If you get good at the game you will be able to tell lol

watching someone cheat won't help, bc there are good and bad cheaters, game sense is the best form of intuition

[half lantern]

that would still be better than never knowing who had been banned before, for example if i gave you my gamertag and we played, a week later you see my gamertag banned, then you'd know i was cheating and could possibly get me banned from the server etc

[radiant wolf]

for suspicious people it's always best to report just in case, if they're legit then no harm done, if not there you go

[half lantern]

plenty of games have this feature for example apex legends

[cerulean stratus]

alos runescape every year tells you exactly how many accounts got banned, how many for rwt and how many for botting

[frozen shale]

That is a stupid take "if you are good you will he able to tell". There are so many soft cheats that you will never br able to tell just by looking from an outside perspective.

[cerulean stratus]

No, I think every high ranked gamer would agree with me lol

when you understand the game, you understand realistic scenarios and capabilities

[frozen shale]

But if you were cheating in this instance, you deserve to get kicked from this server. No place for losers

[boreal ibex]

SIIIIIIIIX SEVEEEEEEEEEEN LETS GO CHAT SIX SEVEN SIX SEVEN

[half lantern]

yes, thats the point of releasing the names of banned players so we know who was cheating

[frozen shale]

I have some real life news for you buddy. The average person is not a high ranked gamer. And would very much appreciate the transperancy from their favorite gaming company

[cerulean stratus]

Aren't you the one arguing they don;t need to give info like names lol

[carmine lintel]

it's the labubu guy

[half lantern]

no he wants info like names if im not mistaken

[frozen shale]

Exactly

[half lantern]

https://imgur.com/1HxeTai apex legends literally has this

[cerulean stratus]

Marvel Rivals will send you an inbox being like "Oh that guy darrel that you reported? Yeah we agree he's toxic so he's banned"
or
"Snarlock was banned for cheating btw enjoy the rest of your week"

[half lantern]

everyone above a certain rank if banned they show up here

[cerulean stratus]

0 reason for every game to not do that

[frozen shale]

This is exactly what i am asking from embark. More transparency

Revealing gamertags has nothing to do with privacy

[boreal ibex]

SIX SEVEN U TWAT SIX SEVEN, IM DREAMING ABOUT YOU SIX SEVEN TRALALERO SIX SEVEN BROSKI REMEMBER THAT

[frozen shale]

They dont do it because it is bad for the company's image

[half lantern]

im guessing its eu laws or something because plenty of companies do it

[cerulean stratus]

idk runescape will have video highlights of them busting bots live on stream, and they are mega sensitive to the eu and uk privacy laws

[carmine lintel]

nope, it would make the comm toxic ig, witch hunting is never a good image

[frozen shale]

Apex does it. MR does it. According to @cerulean stratus runescape also does it

[frozen shale]

How would it make the community toxic?

[half lantern]

still, lots of games have it and it doesn't become a witchhunt, if you're banned for cheating you're banned for cheating

[half lantern]

the finals with tencent does it as well, they release all the tags of banned players every week on their officials

[cerulean stratus]

Witch Hunting would be if the players kept screenshotting names and sharing them and being like "THIS GUY IS CHEATING"

Posting the people that anticheat already confirmed to have cheated is completely different

That's more like a jail report than a witch hunt

[frozen shale]

Iirc i was on some game discord server that had a separate discord channel for witchhunting cheaters so other players can be aware of them

[cerulean stratus]

or like a s*x offender registry lol

[half lantern]

it also is going to make the community aware that we have an anticheat, at least it would look like its working if we see x players are banned last month

[carmine lintel]

I meant the public image

[frozen shale]

Exactly. And nobody on this server does that. Nobody ever goes like "guys this person is cheating". This is a really chill community which deserves better from their favourite game company

[carmine lintel]

I mean cheaters got doxxed and shit in tf2

[cerulean stratus]

good, let them.

[frozen shale]

Deserved

[carmine lintel]

yeah man a community of doxxers is really a good image

[cerulean stratus]

Yeah the tf2 community is pretty well liked lol

has been for years

[idle forum]

🔫

[half lantern]

thats a different story, if someone is going to doxx someone else because of cheating they wouldn't stop because gametags aren't released

[carmine lintel]

buddy tf2 comm is top 10 weirdest comms oat their only saving grace are the sfm artists

[half lantern]

doxxing someone because of cheating is a result of a toxic community not the results of letting people know who were cheating

[frozen shale]

Exactly. If someone wanted to dox someone for cheating they already know their username.

[stable drum]

I agree with your statement good sir.

[cerulean stratus]

weird =/= bad

and also oat the reason that is done is bc anticheat doesn't detect these people so other people take it into their own hands since Valve doesnt really mess with tf2 at all anymore

also that is not by any means even a notable minority of tf2 players. It's not like tf2 is known for it's doxxing lol I can't even name a scenario where that happened

[idle forum]

🔨!

[cerulean stratus]

Marvel Rivals does the system where you will get notified within 5 min of someone getting banned or muted, tells you their name and everything and nobody has had any issues

[carmine lintel]

well I havent played for years but every week you'd see a new doxbin upload of someone back then 😭

[half lantern]

i think arc also lets you know if you ran into a cheater, and you get compensated for it

[cerulean stratus]

yeah i think arc actually returns your items//loadout that got taken by the cheater which is insane standards

[half lantern]

this is something i think the main game can learn from https://imgur.com/GmFB4fA

[frozen shale]

Imo embark should let steam know who is cheating. Valve will take care of them

[half lantern]

"93 players in trailers were seized"

[radiant wolf]

doesn't chinals literally have a name and shame cheater list

[half lantern]

this is that

[frozen shale]

-100 social credit score

[carmine lintel]

that already happens? and valve doesnt do anything

[radiant wolf]

ahhh nice

[half lantern]

i think your id gets banned from tencent games or something

[frozen shale]

No it doesn't

[radiant wolf]

deserved tbh

[cerulean stratus]

valve only punishes what valve detects within their own games

[carmine lintel]

well not sure if you get a game ban on steam but that's the norm, but even then they dont punish you

[frozen shale]

VAC ban those losers

[night lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1440840835049590924/1440840951340728392/b47f19ec-f83d-5c93-9581-f03e8d0abb1f.gif

[frozen shale]

Balls

[carmine lintel]

I dont see what you're aiming at

even if the finals gave you a game ban on steam, valve doesnt do anything except put "1 game ban on record"

[frozen shale]

I love how NA doesn't have this issue and are just chilling

[half lantern]

what issue

[frozen shale]

Cheating

[cerulean stratus]

yeah i'll be honest, I don't think I've run into any cheaters in ranked so far
only gold atm tho

Maybe ONE time but it's quite possible they were rubies

I am NA

[carmine lintel]

well did you watch the kill replay?

[frozen shale]

I have never seen someone from NA ever complain. They always are like "i have only met 2 cheaters in my 2000 hours of gaming*

[half lantern]

yeah i normally play on na i was playing with my friends a few days ago on asian servers and the first game we had a trio of blatant cheaters shooting through walls

[cerulean stratus]

asia servers are always rampant with cheating in every game tbf except Korea and maybe japan

I have always wondered why, is it just less enforcement of punishing cheat distributors?

[carmine lintel]

russians maybe?

[frozen shale]

I do not want to name names but it is always one specific country. Not saying all C are cheaters but all cheaters are from C

[cerulean stratus]

true\

[half lantern]

that and also culture, korea literally has laws punishing cheating because how prevalent it was, japanese are known to cheat and use cronus etc in cod and apex i think

[frozen shale]

It is insanely easy to purchase cheats in C

[half lantern]

yeah i think 1 in 3 are definitely from

[cerulean stratus]

2/3 minimum

[frozen shale]

I would argue 4/5

[molten sphinx]

gn chat

[half lantern]

but theres a chinese server now and you can't access the finals from steam if you're in china anymore

[frozen shale]

Gn mate

[half lantern]

so anymore cheaters in asian servers i think has less to do with C

[cerulean stratus]

time to queue up ranked and get another team of 11k who use sword without right clicking once all game

[carmine lintel]

I am sure korea has laws against making and distributing cheats, not using cheats

[half lantern]

you may be correct

[drifting void]

anyone in game to join a private match rq, i wanna check something :))
XDY3

[frozen shale]

They never were able to play the finals. They have always been using a vpn. I believe they are not allowed to play games whose servers aren't physically located in china

[abstract juniper]

i make distribute and use cheats on the finals hmu

[cerulean stratus]

league of legends accounts are literally tied to your social security number in korea so idk you might get in trouble for cheating lol

[verbal quiver]

There’s a crazy thing called a vpn ever heard of it

[carmine lintel]

well currently there are no laws against using cheats

[carmine lintel]

what's that have to do with anything???

[cerulean stratus]

a lot lol

[half lantern]

they were, steam had never been banned and supports chinese payment methods, black myth wukong launched on steam. i think half a year ago though the finals was taken off from the chinese version of steam

[carmine lintel]

wait you're gonna help me cheat on my finals?? just take my money man

[verbal quiver]

Not even gonna explain u must be slow

[half lantern]

ever since they were region locked

[frozen shale]

Yes. From chinese version of the steam. They are legally not allowed to use regular steam. Never have been

[frozen shale]

I mean it is not very difficult to write a recoil compensation python script but okay

[carmine lintel]

if you're caught making cheats in korea you'll be prosecuted, using a vpn won't make you magically immune to the charges, sure it helps but I said it is illegal to make cheats there, I never mentioned you cant avoid being caught

[half lantern]

yes and the finals had been taken off from that version so realistically they will only be able to and will only play on tencent the finals from now on

[verbal quiver]

VPNs exist

[cerulean stratus]

oh he meants vpn for cheating otuside of china

[frozen shale]

They still download regular steam and use vpn tho

[carmine lintel]

when I said my finals I meant as in exams 😔

[verbal quiver]

You can to get caught for making or selling mods on a vpn server

[stark flume]

.

[frozen shale]

Nah you're fucked mate. That is the real life ranked.

[half lantern]

that would be so many more extra steps though as compared to just playing on the chinese version

[carmine lintel]

chat is this english?

[verbal quiver]

Can’t

[half lantern]

but i do see why they would still want to play on the main servers, anticheat is way worse

[stark flume]

no beta

[frozen shale]

Not necessarily. Just using a vpn to download regular steam and making an account is insanely easy.

[verbal quiver]

Or be on a ovh your undetectable

[forest saddle]

if there is a way, there is a will

[frozen shale]

Anyways enough rambling about cheats I'm gonna go take a shower something that those losers never do

[alpine owl]

Is there a way to contact Embark and ask for help? I reinstalled The Finals, but I lost everything I had, and when I get this error on their website...

The account you are trying to link has content saved from an Embark game and cannot be linked at this time. Please contact player support for more information.

[half lantern]

email?

[frozen shale]

Dm eggmail

[carmine lintel]

perhaps wrong steam account?

[verbal quiver]

I shower and make cheats so what’s ur point

[carmine lintel]

isnt eggmail for discord support?

[carmine lintel]

chase that bag twin

[alpine owl]

The Steam account is correct. I played it years ago on the same account.

[frozen shale]

Dont know it just says help so i assume it is for everything

[carmine lintel]

https://id.embark.games/the-finals/support

[half lantern]

anways having a C server is going to be so much better for any game take overwatch for an example and compare it to something like pubg

[verbal quiver]

Make more than everyone else in here gotta do what u gotta do

[frozen shale]

Good on ya mate

[carmine lintel]

you mean in your country?

[verbal quiver]

What about my country

[alpine owl]

He basically made me start from scratch.

[carmine lintel]

do you mean make more than everyone in the server or jobs in your country?

[abstract juniper]

no u didn't

[carmine lintel]

well either ways gratz on the money 😋

[verbal quiver]

Both I guess unless ur the ceo of embark then no

[frozen shale]

What kinda scam account is this. this man just made a fresh new discord account and linked it to fresh new reddit and github and Crunchyroll accounts

[verbal quiver]

Cause they are worth money and I own them

I’m a real person just cause I’m on a discord acc that’s new doesn’t mean anything

[frozen shale]

I never said you were a bot. I said scam

[verbal quiver]

What am I doing to scam

[cerulean stratus]

i think ur club tag or whatever it's called is pretty edgy

[verbal quiver]

Ikr

Only if ur discord had one f

[cedar frigate]

mfs care more bout ogs than starting a family

[cerulean stratus]

what

[cedar frigate]

he’s saying if your name was just Scarf your account would be worth money money since basement dwellers love ts

cool

are you a grown man who cares about og users

do you have a job along with that

[forest saddle]

ok

i just got 6/7 kdr in a match

i got it but at what cost

[cedar frigate]

heh

[chilly holly]

huh

[rare herald]

hoh

[cedar frigate]

lowkey surprising esp since every person i’ve met that cares ab og users is either unemployed or “self employed”

[boreal ibex]

SIIIIIIIIX SEVEEEEEEEEEEN LETS GO CHAT SIX SEVEN SIX SEVEN

[spring shale]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-67-edit-scp-scp-wish-i-knew-gif-2370229579144783982

[forest saddle]

YEAHH 6/7 KD LET'S GO

[cerulean stratus]

this isn't proper english nobody here knows what this means

like i dont think a single person knows what you've been talking about this whole time lol

[wintry locust]

Best build?

[cerulean stratus]

what exactly are you selling

because you havent mentioned that yet, Mr Main Character

[lilac zephyr]

Good morning contestants

[cerulean stratus]

hope that guy got banned, what a weirdo

[lilac zephyr]

And good morning raiders as well 😉

[cerulean stratus]

lol it's a last name tho what a foolish guy

[gleaming moss]

Good riddance

[forest saddle]

why is chat so dead nowadays

[chilly holly]

Damn game wants me to face 5 stack again and again and again

[chilly holly]

Because theres nothing changes nowadays

[forest saddle]

i went away for 2 days and chat just died

[chilly holly]

Water will gonna rot if it got stuck

[forest saddle]

how to bring change

[chilly holly]

Welp ask embark how to

[stable drum]

double jeopardy didn't remove griefing far from that
who could have guessed?

[inland crest]

be the change you want to see in the world

[chilly holly]

It's kinda situational, and it's nature of cashout(which why I don;t like it that much)

[forest saddle]

we need a spinoff THE FINALS asap. maybe this: https://youtube.com/shorts/p__Z1sfjzqk?si=C9GJGDX6T5KdseTv

[half lantern]

theres no way to change anything without having a part of the playerbase opposing so no changes can be made

[forest saddle]

what we do then

[inland crest]

true, the game can never be changed because of this. It will be the same forever

[half lantern]

nothing can be done, you play the game and if you like it in the current state you keep playing if not you play a different game

[stable drum]

cashout is awesome on paper... but it basically depends of what the first team does, such as splitting cashouts at the end with no benefits for them

[half lantern]

unless embark magically pulls a the finals 2.0 no major changes will happen

[golden oracle]

this looks really cool

[forest saddle]

fr, the charge and slam WRRRRAAAAA was the best part

time for 2D version of THE FINALS

[stable drum]

yeah
like

WRAAAAAARGHHHH :3

[golden oracle]

wraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[chilly holly]

Oh that's nice, I like that they literally used same stuff with one of love, death, robot episode

[forest saddle]

i see

[chilly holly]

https://youtu.be/1ij0Jwt_DCs

[inland crest]

lens shifting iirc

[covert flax]

I love tilt shifting

[inland crest]

tilt shifting even

[forest saddle]

bro, what am i watching..

[cerulean stratus]

i didnt report you lol i think you just got banned yourself for acting like a tool
staff p active in here

[forest saddle]

who does that on a gaveyard of all places 💀

[half lantern]

wow dude really just joined back with a different account

[cerulean stratus]

he still never told us what he's trading

definitely not the behavior of someone who is rich lol

[golden oracle]

im rich i have 2 million (in gta)

[cerulean stratus]

what does b4b mean sorry I'm not chronically online

[golden oracle]

wait more like 3

[cerulean stratus]

ah too dumb to type band for band

you behave like you're underraged, so even if you DID have money it's absolutely your dad's lol

[gleaming moss]

@pine nova @stiff kernel do the thing

[cerulean stratus]

yikes 21 and act like that

counterflex lol

[golden oracle]

this chat so ass😭

[gleaming moss]

Thanks

[fresh kernel]

Finally… fuck

[forest saddle]

i have 5k VRs. they have me capped at 5k because they dont wanna let me be rich

[gleaming moss]

Only cost a kidney

[forest saddle]

the forbidden company...

it would be cool if VRs were uncapped. we could see people having ridiculous amount of em. it would showcase how much someone has played

[gleaming moss]

May as well since they stopped adding new scopes

[cerulean stratus]

let us cash in 5k VRs for a random loot chest

throw in like 10-20 cosmetics

[gleaming moss]

Ah yes bot farms selling accounts with skins on them, good idea! /s

[cerulean stratus]

i mean everybody can get them, by just playing so they are pretty valueless

[forest saddle]

no thanks

[cerulean stratus]

nobody gonna buy an account for free skins they themselves can get lol think guys

[gleaming moss]

People are already buying accounts

[forest saddle]

yeah. levelled up acounts to play ranked

[cerulean stratus]

yes with paid/limited items on them

[gleaming moss]

For other reasons, but this wouldn't make it any better

[cerulean stratus]

literally nobody is going to buy an account to get things you earn by naturally playing the game lol

[gleaming moss]

You'd see way more afk accounts farming this, it's not good

[forest saddle]

yeah, it's already a pain in tdm. though it's nice that i havent seen one for a long while

[tall verge]

this is the 3rd match I throw because my lvl 120 teammates are playing like they are lvl 10

[gleaming moss]

Only positive is cheaters might pay more for their accounts depending on what skins it has unlocked

[cerulean stratus]

by that logic then you think unlocking spponsor changing is a bad idea bc ppl can afk to unlock full sponorship cosmetics and sell the account lol

[forest saddle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106670502212292638/1407330621822468156/caption.gif

[cerulean stratus]

looks like it says spectr with a pyramid at the end

[forest saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/of-course-gif-21373815

[gleaming moss]

That doesn't sound worth unless u pay 0 for electricity considering how long it takes to get a full tier unlocked, anyways what you proposed is not a big issue, but more afk farmers is not nice

[cerulean stratus]

it's supposed to say spectra

lol

[gleaming moss]

The idea is good tbh, just some downsides to it

[forest saddle]

snowpex secretly plays apex, i just cant prove it yet

[smoky kestrel]

The Pyramid is supposed to be the A, Modern Design man

[cerulean stratus]

yeah but it doesnt look like an A

[smoky kestrel]

Dw about it

[cerulean stratus]

if you dont alreay know its spectra, you'd think it's Spectr

[crude ocean]

Hello everyone

[smoky kestrel]

Thats what the whole sponsor introduction is for

[forest saddle]

Hello. How is life?

[crude ocean]

Well, you?

[cerulean stratus]

yes but from a lore perspective, no major corporation is going to have something that might confuse potential customers and be harder to look up

[cerulean stratus]

If apex got rid of aim assist, then that game would be so good

until then though, it's bascially playing itself with how heavy that aim snaps on to a target

[forest saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/iknewit-shallowhal-freakout-gif-19920248

[cerulean stratus]

when the pro PC players all have to use controllers just to compete with the aim assist, you know 'tis a rough time lol

[half lantern]

it has less aa than the finals

even before the aa nerf, it had less aa than thefinals on launch, currently at .3 it still has less

[forest saddle]

yea, it's been fine

[cerulean stratus]

There is no shooter in the world with more aa than apex lol

[gleaming moss]

I want to believe that, but I can't

[smoky kestrel]

tbf I only play apex whenever I am fed up of Rubies kicking my ass in World Tour

Which is like everyday since S9 launch

[cerulean stratus]

the entire pro scene converted to controller in apex bc it's the only way to contend, that isn't an issue in the finals lol

[half lantern]

cod easily has more

[cerulean stratus]

nope

cod pros still use MnK in pro play for PC

[half lantern]

thats more than just aa but a combined of the distances of fights, stability etc

[smoky kestrel]

I've been playing on M&K for so long now I dont think I could ever go back to roler

[cerulean stratus]

and thus you cant compete in apex

I loved apex but it's not viable with MnK, it's insane

[half lantern]

you could say controller in apex maybe stronger than mnk in apex, but its not necesarily true that aa in apex is stronger than aa in the finals

[cerulean stratus]

It literally is lol

Name a single shooter where every single pro PC player is choosing to use controller over MnK solely bc of aim assist strength

[smoky kestrel]

Exactly, Thats why I just play it for fun with the boys atp, I'm almost out of Silver so maybe there's hope 🔥

[cerulean stratus]

shoot name a single one where people are choosingto use controller for any reason lol

[half lantern]

its because fights usually are taken in a distance that is favorable to controller aa, its not simply aa strength

apex is a game that favors aa

[gleaming moss]

Disgusting aa players (sorry)

[cerulean stratus]

i downloaded apex 2 months ago, and got killed 6x in a row in the TDM gamemode by a bangalore sliding in circles around me locked onto my skull

it's not a distance thing lol

[half lantern]

the finals on launch literally had aim assist go through walls

[grizzled lark]

player cards have so much potential I hope Embark upgrades them

[cerulean stratus]

yeah and apex is in like season 16 or something

[halcyon minnow]

finally hit season 9 platinum 🥳

[gleaming moss]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-lotr-so-it-begins-begins-beginning-gif-5322326

[half lantern]

what im saying is the way how apex fights work and the distance they usually occur favors aa and controller more and is making controller regardless of aa strength better than mnk, whereas the finals which i think has a stronger aa, the fights are generally less favorable for controller

[cerulean stratus]

im beginning to doubt you play apex

there is a LOT of close range fighting in apex lol

[calm current]

how do you unlock it? saw someone with that shirt and it looks really cool

[half lantern]

i peaked top 10 in apex back in season 16

[cerulean stratus]

doubt lol

[smoky kestrel]

YESSS Exactly I even made this custom thing back in like S6 I think

[cerulean stratus]

if you were top 10 in apex you'd at least be top 100 in this

[half lantern]

i don't play this as much

[smoky kestrel]

and ts game is STILL down

[cerulean stratus]

yet you're this active in the disc? it aint addin up brother

[half lantern]

also i played the chinese version with 200 ping and i got top 200

[gleaming moss]

I haven't seen him until a few days ago tbh lol

[smoky kestrel]

how. I wanna know how bro I wanna try that version so bad

[half lantern]

i joined a few days ago no?

[half lantern]

i had a friend and he was kind enough to let me use his account

[smoky kestrel]

dayum

[cerulean stratus]

aint buyin it

show the screenshot lol

[smoky kestrel]

so I can't just make a chinese acc on steam?

[cerulean stratus]

log into it rightn ow and stream it in disc lol

[elfin cape]

Fuck is this cop investigation

[gleaming moss]

It's generally pretty hard to get into Chinese games because you need Chinese phone number and ID etc

[cerulean stratus]

seems fair to ask someone to prove their claims

[half lantern]

https://imgur.com/a/rlSyQgJ

[smoky kestrel]

Makes sense, so a VPN won't do

[cerulean stratus]

cant claim to be a top 200 player and hit us with the "trust me bro"
same with a top 10 in apex

[tender sphinx]

everyone
it's real

[covert flax]

CHINALS doesn't use Steam
you need a specific game launcher that is exclusive to chinese users

[smoky kestrel]

Yeah I was kinda coping asking that question XD

[covert flax]

you need an actual internet plan from an official chinese ISP

[tender sphinx]

I GOT THE FUCKING ASS ASS RATING

[orchid escarp]

seriously? Console aim assist kinda sucks and its kinda been like that for a very very long time, i think console players are just good in this game

when it comes to aiming

[half lantern]

https://imgur.com/a/MEkIB4n

[gleaming moss]

Console players
Good
Hahaha good one

[elfin cape]

As a console player I don’t have to aim

[smoky kestrel]

What if AA got automatically turned off at a certain rank 💀

[orchid escarp]

is it actually that strong

[cerulean stratus]

it;s the strongest AA of any game

[elfin cape]

Yes, you might just have it off

[orchid escarp]

nah i just havent touched it in a while

[half lantern]

https://imgur.com/a/D6NUAwD

[orchid escarp]

since like

[covert flax]

"level enough to play in normal lobbies instead of beginner lobbies" type solution

[orchid escarp]

season 6 LOL

[elfin cape]

Oh lol

[orchid escarp]

then mb forget what i said

[half lantern]

https://imgur.com/a/EwyutIM

[cerulean stratus]

chinals isnt on steam tho

[half lantern]

its not, but i still have it, i have both

[smoky kestrel]

oh wait shit thats actually the chinals

[cerulean stratus]

or is it a desktop background what is this screenshot lol

[elfin cape]

The true chinals

[cerulean stratus]

oh i see discord for timestamps

[smoky kestrel]

Could be real since its S9 and we dont have ruby yet

[half lantern]

yes it is https://imgur.com/a/YP2dHRp

theyre in open beta right now

[smoky kestrel]

Seeing OB Ruby and Emerald is so weird

[fresh cove]

What's the current player count on the Chinese version of the finals?

[tall verge]

guess what happened next

[half lantern]

i dont know but its said to be 1 million registered

[fresh cove]

Is it live?

[cerulean stratus]

man this is just so hard to believe lol

you already said it is a friends account, ther eis no way you're hitting top 200 in Chinals with 200 ping but not even hitting top 500 in NA

[tall verge]

I'm crying

[smoky kestrel]

I'm not getting past 39K on EU

[gleaming moss]

Anyone can hit top 500 farming silver solo queuers lol, it's just a matter of time and commitment

[cerulean stratus]

you said "I don't play this game as much" and then 10 minutes later posted a chinese account with over 400 wins? lol

[half lantern]

i dont play na, i played when it first launched when everyone was hyping it up, then it died and i went back to apex, the chinals launched and i tried it

[smoky kestrel]

he also said its his friends acc

[cerulean stratus]

idk man this story just sounds so sketch to me

[half lantern]

then i wanted to get the main game and play with people that speak my language, how hard is that to understand

[cerulean stratus]

Exactly, so how much is actually his rank?

[smoky kestrel]

idk

[cerulean stratus]

jumkp in a vc and stream a game of ranked lol

[low prawn]

hi

[smoky kestrel]

You can't, gotta be Green role for that

[cerulean stratus]

rip

[thorny apex]

Does anyone know what fonts are supported when creating a nickname ?

[fresh cove]

Can you see player count of the Chinese finals like on Steam DB?

[smoky kestrel]

we Could Hop into my dc tho if they're down

[tender sphinx]

finals chat is too serious to care about this ig

[half lantern]

it launched a few weeks ago, im only saying i played the chinese server because i have more games on it than the main version

[cerulean stratus]

you have at least 400 wins tho which is like, a lot of time lol

[forest saddle]

i was just gonnna reply to that but well, i guess im too serious for that

[smoky kestrel]

Wld u be down to hop into my dc and stream us a game or two? I am super curious on how everything looks / and plays

[half lantern]

its 92 hours

[cerulean stratus]

makes zero sense to me how you are willing to play the game 90 hours at 200 ping but not at all with good ping lol

[tender sphinx]

people here actually reacted when i did ASS ABC tho
what is the consistency

[half lantern]

https://imgur.com/a/zkwE9Jw

[half lantern]

because i have friends that wanted me to play???? forget about it

[cerulean stratus]

wow their egg mascot is so much better than ours

[half lantern]

lets just go back to actual game discussion

[smoky kestrel]

Thou shalt not doubt the tama

[forest saddle]

chat is dying, they are leaving us. ichikawa-san would never do that to me tho. she would never leave me ❤️

[cerulean stratus]

i mean, that's also confusing

not a lot of NA players have a bunch of chinese friends in china

We should hop in that guy's disc and end this discussion once and for all lol

[tender sphinx]

who even is that

[forest saddle]

ichikawa natsume, who else

[half lantern]

if u look at the apex photo i posted they are chinese also https://imgur.com/a/1QHHA8H

[tender sphinx]

fair

[cerulean stratus]

do you play apex with controller

[half lantern]

these skins were all free, and yes

[gleaming moss]

What's this photo about

[cerulean stratus]

see that's why you were defending it, bc you use it lol that's the first question i shoulda asked

no way you can play on chinese servers and hit shots with 200 ping without insane aim assist lol

[forest saddle]

yeah, im getting married to her

[half lantern]

of course i would the whole point is i played the finals and apex for fairly some time and i think aa is better

[half lantern]

those skins were all free

[tender sphinx]

all this to switch to whatever sponsor when we finish ours

[cerulean stratus]

chinals better than finals confirmed

[half lantern]

this is why im still somewhat sticking to the chinals, i didn't and couldn't pay a single cent

[elfin cape]

200 isn’t unplayable it’s actually quite manageable

[cerulean stratus]

200 is absolutely unplayable lol

70 is manageable

[forest saddle]

dont be jealous, bruv. she's gonna love me regardless of which sponsor i work for

[gleaming moss]

200 is pretty damn bad on the finals since abilities like dash are server side

[tender sphinx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444521280769364052/1447449209497321484/togif-4.gif

[cerulean stratus]

200 ping is no regs galore

[half lantern]

games with longer time to kills are playable with high ping as long as it is stable, if u play on asian servers in the finals you would be around 180 ping if ur from na like me

[elfin cape]

I usually have around 180 but I’m on console

[half lantern]

that has to do with packet loss

[tender sphinx]

as someone with that typa ping a lot of the time i can confirm

[gleaming moss]

200 ping on finals is way worse than 200 ping on most other shooters

[forest saddle]

damian taught u that, didnt he? he's really making people become criminals

[tender sphinx]

that's not about me
i main Charge n Slam

[half lantern]

also not to be confused with the main game, the chinals has ruby as a rank and not top 500

[forest saddle]

oh yeah, see this
https://youtube.com/shorts/p__Z1sfjzqk?si=C9GJGDX6T5KdseTv

[tender sphinx]

yea i watched it
high pitch WRAAAAAAAAAAAAH goes hard

[gleaming moss]

Gg western finals is even worse than I thought

[deep hinge]

hello all, me and my team mate need a third player to consintently play ranked with, preferably either a heavy or medium. Not having a third team mate is making it hard to progress in ranked as we seem to get teamed with players not suited to our play style. We need some one who is a team player and who sticks with us and knows what they are doing. Not sure where else to ask so if your looking for a team let me know

[forest saddle]

yeah, peak charge and slam. we need 2D version of THE FINALS asap so i can spam that

[half lantern]

western finals has less cheaters imo and the game runs smoother i don't know if its because of my ping or what

[tender sphinx]

wdym "so you can spam it"? that shit already only has a 12 second cooldown and can tap medium

[forest saddle]

it should be spammable in the 2d version

[gleaming moss]

Seeing nexon take their game and do a much better job is quite sad

[tender sphinx]

1 second cooldown Charge n Slam in s10 y'all

actually wait
LTM where you don't have any weapons or gadgets but you have a no cooldown Charge for shits and giggles

[cerulean stratus]

probably a ping thing, I noticed that in tarkov when I play on asian servers

[half lantern]

we just need more people on this game then every issue the game current has will be gone in no time

[cerulean stratus]

tbf I think Nexon is china is different than overseas Nexon

diff laws so diff treatment

[gleaming moss]

Most issues yes, if they replace balance team and spawn design team there could be hope

[forest saddle]

not before we have a sword ltm or a sniper ltm

[cerulean stratus]

idk did you guys see they dropped a beta for Gunz: The Duel
they "remastered" it

[forest saddle]

the what

[low prawn]

hi guys

[cerulean stratus]

OG competitive movement shooter

[gleaming moss]

Sorry I meant the balance person, and spawn design person, no way they are several people

[fiery ore]

had a stroke reading this

[cerulean stratus]

you issue, it's pretty clear lol

[half lantern]

how do i get to green, is it just by yapping more

[fiery ore]

nexon is china is different

[cerulean stratus]

one typo of one ltetter lol

[elfin cape]

What does this mean?

[tender sphinx]

"ltetter"

[cerulean stratus]

a "you" issue

[covert flax]

a "typer" issue

[cerulean stratus]

yes i make typos i have bad wrists and fingers lol still understandable

[fiery ore]

i'm not going to tell which one was misspelled so that you still have no idea what the hell i was saying

[cerulean stratus]

just use ur brain and you can figure it out quite easily lol

[fiery ore]

nexon is china is different

[cerulean stratus]

yes clearly i meant in

problem solving not your forte huh

[gleaming moss]

Time to pull out the controller and let it play for you

[keen smelt]

Whoever made the repeater this insane HAD to have been smoking something. WHo thought it was a good idea to be able to two tap BODY SHOT a light

[smoky kestrel]

I can't find chinals footage bro why is it THAT hard

[fiery ore]

wasn't too clear

[half lantern]

i swapped to the controller years ago because of this, and also controller was better than mnk

[cerulean stratus]

you're the only person who got confused 😭

[fiery ore]

because s is 7 miles away from n

[elfin cape]

No

[deep hinge]

yeah and how it fires 2 shots as fast as is does too lol

[cerulean stratus]

Look I don't know what to tell you guys

it is the simplest typo to figure out, I pray for you guys in real life if this was that much of a struggle lol

[keen smelt]

Make the repeater do 50 damage a body shot, and give it a 2x headshot multiplier. Fixed

[half lantern]

how do i get the green role i can ss a game

[fiery ore]

sure be passive aggressive instead of just accepting some people aren't gonna understand 'nexon is china is different' without context

[covert flax]

yeah, seems like you don't know how to tell people things

[gleaming moss]

https://tenor.com/view/burnt-peanut-side-eye-the-burnt-peanut-gif-6339277251445282356

[cerulean stratus]

it's pretty openly aggressive, I do not think you're smart and I'm annoyed bc you made a really big deal out of this when i explained it to you 3x lol

[half lantern]

the game itself is just in a different language

[cerulean stratus]

that will probably rile u up a bit but idk whywe're still even talking about this, I explained it 3x lol

[fiery ore]

you didn't explain it 3 times, you just said "hey i made a typo" and didn't explain what you were trying to say, and you're here saying someone ain't smart

[smoky kestrel]

-levels

[amber jacinth]

Our leveling system

"Why can't I do some things in the server?"

• You may need to level up first!

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• join VC • make bug reports • chat in most channels
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[half lantern]

wait so what is happening now what typo

[cerulean stratus]

you couldn't figure out the SINGLE two letter word that made the sentence make no sense??

[covert flax]

typa shit dyno_might would say

[cerulean stratus]

this one

[fiery ore]

i'm going to put lol after every sentence and be super offended because people don't read my mind when they read my sentence

[forest saddle]

i think you are smart. some say you could stop a whole tsunami

[smoky kestrel]

what is this Kindergarten I am looking at

[half lantern]

well i am not getting that any soon already working on my obs https://imgur.com/a/JuhcVch

[fiery ore]

twin awesome timing

[covert flax]

whywe're

[tawny quail]

guys how can i contact with support from discord

[cerulean stratus]

fr. I typo'd "in" as "is" and it's absolutely blowing peoples minds

[smoky kestrel]

wld u be down to hop into my dc to stream a game or two?

[stuck goblet]

You cant

[tawny quail]

i got unfair ban

[covert flax]

#⚡┇the-finals-chat, I think

[half lantern]

my obs is almost ready ill be on twitch if u do want to watch a game

[elfin cape]

Me when I typo’d

[tawny quail]

and wonna got unban

[smoky kestrel]

Hell yeah, whats ur twitch

[fiery ore]

"hey you're stupid because you didn't understand when i said the same thing that doesn't answer the question 3 times"

[half lantern]

let me figure it out rq https://imgur.com/a/OxUGQr4

[mystic marsh]

Chat is this real or just schizoposting

[cerulean stratus]

listen man, only one of us got so confused that we're still complaining about it 15 min later

i wish you luck in life with the issue you habe

[elfin cape]

Why did you get banned

[cerulean stratus]

idk but i typo a lot and never once has somebobyd struggled this much to understand me lol

my fingers and wrist are bad, I'm old I don't say the right words everytime typing is hard for me

[smoky kestrel]

Explain a bit further please

[fiery ore]

because when you switch 1 letter the word might become a different one and be confusing to someone who is reading it especially if that word is there twice, is it that fucking hard to understand

[half lantern]

i have heard of something like that before like currency being limited time not sure about the finals tho

[mystic marsh]

The message I forwarded, this has to be bullshit right? But no one responded in game feedback to say whether it was

[cerulean stratus]

yeah and anybody with an iq over room temperature would realize "I don't think 'is' should be there twice" and would figure it out

are you going to drop this now or what

[smoky kestrel]

maybe explain what it is please and we can tell you

[mystic marsh]

I personally don’t ever recall seeing an “expiration date” for multibucks

[tawny quail]

i really dont know , i left the game for like a week cuz i am working full time and when i start playing and go to try ranked the 1st game were ok and i lose , but next game i got kicked from server , i were thinking it's an internet issue , but when i reconnect it,s says u got a perma ban

[forest saddle]

me if sword gets nerfed
https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-please-this-its-all-i-have-im-nothing-gif-25043428

[fiery ore]

there is no way you're not an ai programmed to just be annoying😭

[mystic marsh]

What part of the message are you confused about

[elfin cape]

What is this

[grim sentinel]

lfg need a healer im heavy

[smoky kestrel]

Well now I get it after you mentioned MB's expiring

[cerulean stratus]

and there is no way you're actually this unintelligent, but I guess we both will just continue to exist in disbelief

sorry I hurt your feelings, you'll be okay though good luck in life

[smoky kestrel]

-lfg

[amber jacinth]

<:thefinals:1108025386081714196> LFG CHANNELS

Europe: #lfg-eu-casual • #lfg-eu-ranked

North America: #lfg-na-casual • #lfg-na-ranked

Asia: #lfg-asia-casual • #lfg-asia-ranked

Oceania: #lfg-oce-casual • #lfg-oce-ranked

South America: #lfg-sa-casual • #lfg-sa-ranked

Go to id:customize to show/hide specific channels.

[fiery ore]

yeah sorry for assuming another breathing being would go "oh yeah let me fix my typo" after doing it or "hey i misspelled this word here" instead of "hey you're a dumbass"

man i'm such an idiot for expecting someone online to not be a fucking loser

[cerulean stratus]

you're the only one name calling lol

[low prawn]

shushhhhh

[fiery ore]

not my point

[forest saddle]

bro, where did u come from

[elfin cape]

I like this beef, might even add some milk.

[smoky kestrel]

my god can we just shut the fuck up atp, what is this fucking Kindergarten ass arguement

[cerulean stratus]

You need to get over it and move on, you shouldn't let someone on the internet hurt you this much

sometimes people are gonna think you're dumb. Probably will happen a lot with you. It'll be okay. Just move on

[low prawn]

out of the deep below of level 0s

[forest saddle]

what is your purpose

[low prawn]

that are trying to level up

[elfin cape]

Must get image perms

[forest saddle]

do you have anything to do with the number 67?

[half lantern]

@smoky kestrel ill dm u

[smoky kestrel]

bet

[low prawn]

are yoiu 4 years old?

[forest saddle]

idk, maybe. that's not the point tho

[fiery ore]

yeah it'll be okay, always one that's not gonna understand

[low prawn]

shushhhhh

[cerulean stratus]

okay lets move on now kid

[smoky kestrel]

oh damn chat he actually IS Streaming the chinals

[forest saddle]

no u

[half lantern]

let me test the audio rq tho im not sure if it works

[low prawn]

is the l;evl up yet

[forest saddle]

which sponsor did u sign up for

[severe cobalt]

how do i get the arc raiders looking helmet in the finals?

[elfin cape]

Why do so many people think sword needs a nerf? I don’t have any problems with it and people who use it in ranked are always shitters.

[covert flax]

GOLD GOLD GOLD

[obtuse garden]

Who puts the gold badge on?

[covert flax]

me

[obtuse garden]

Oh

[elfin cape]

me

[mystic marsh]

I’m still waiting Embark

[covert flax]

FREDERICK VON FAZBAREN???????????

[brisk tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-noticing-cat-eyes-huh-gif-16886457356686000641

[obtuse garden]

Freddy heavbear?

[spice mist]

Honestly whoever thought that this new double jepodary rule would be a good idea needs to rethink life, all it does is allow toxic teammates to purposely throw games and doesn't actually stop people from grieving other teams

[fiery ore]

i don't think he's supposed to be here

[brisk tapir]

I’m still waiting embark

[fiery ore]

i'm still waiting for the beom-seok files.

[brisk tapir]

[brisk tapir]

There’s no such thing as the Beom-Seok files.

[fiery ore]

you already admit they exist

[brisk tapir]

In another timeline, they do

[fiery ore]

hiding the truth from everyone is not the truth hiding from you

[forest saddle]

i believe they contain secret information of a tsunami that may destroy meatspace

[fiery ore]

mmm

[forest saddle]

there are like 6-7 files, i just cant prove it yet

[brisk tapir]

the Beom-Seok files do not exist

[foggy fossil]

6 7

[forest saddle]

Prove it, old man.

[brisk tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-gif-24688797

[forest saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-finals-ceo-sponsor-engimo-networking-gif-11923515269483363894

[brisk tapir]

Horrendous sponsor.

[low prawn]

yea

[wooden kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-loading-gun-cursed-emoji-mad-gif-24853374

[forest saddle]

@tender sphinx iseult ceo is saying engimo is horrendous, what do we say about that

[fresh kernel]

SHE LIVES!!!

[wooden kestrel]

We say they both are, bc they both are

[brisk tapir]

Excuse me?

[forest saddle]

wow, how dare you insult ichikawa-san's company?

[mystic marsh]

icons on the right side of the desktop

[fresh kernel]

only has 1 of 2 monitors plugged in

[wooden kestrel]

I’ll defend myself with Alfa-acta while I drink ospuze, idc for fashion and I have means of communication, no thanks engimo

[forest saddle]

@brisk tapir yo unc, this mitch guy's gears need to be jammed

[brisk tapir]

Understood.

[forest saddle]

more added to the files 🔥

[mystic marsh]

THE FILES

[low prawn]

my glitch grenaade just vanished

[wooden kestrel]

And trentilas good too

[jagged pilot]

They have such a good matchmaking system, it's a top-notch match.

[brisk tapir]

THE FINALS FILES

[low prawn]

washed game

[jagged pilot]

I dropped from gold to silver at 4.

[forest saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/iseult-ceo-iseult-ceo-gif-11230399111109173546

[wooden kestrel]

@brisk tapir don’t worry I don’t hate you as much as engimo and neither of you come close to vaiiya

[open imp]

we playing the finals 🔥

[brisk tapir]

Vaiiya is shit, CNS is superior

[forest saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-finals-yun-beom-seok-iseul-t-ceo-sponsor-gif-3237114107611069641

[wooden kestrel]

Bro I’m only on like page 8

[open imp]

when are we getting actual collabs embark 💔

[forest saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-finals-finals-tf-iseul-t-iseult-gif-11984190231511400072

[open imp]

guys my mv7+ shure arrives today 🔥

[gleaming moss]

Game became so mid that even a collab will do it good 💀

I used to be against it now I don't even care

Pls fix the game embark I am tired of whining and complaining

[open imp]

im just used to it now honestly, lets just hope they wake up and actually do fixes and content updates at some point soon

still love the game though, know that embark

[gleaming moss]

I do too but it's mostly nostalgia at this point

Game became completely unplayable for me twice the last 2 seasons because their optimizations work backwards

[open imp]

i just love the gameplay of the game, guns, mechanics, etc. its just so much fun i dont get tired of it

[gleaming moss]

How many hours u have if i may ask ?

[open imp]

2.5k+ hours

[gleaming moss]

Yea I got to a bit under 3k before it all went downhill so could be worse

Still better than bf6 which was ok

[open imp]

is this about their servers and all that?

[terse quartz]

wow V9S is so fair

[low prawn]

level up time

[gleaming moss]

The balancing, spawns, optimization working backwards, and yeah the bad servers I guess

[rapid girder]

J

[open imp]

v9s needs a nerf tbh, literally went against it last game and barely beat it

[rapid girder]

You need a nerf

[viral grove]

Haha. Nerfing lights. Good meme.

[gleaming moss]

?? Lol
Farming noobs can be done with most weapons

[open imp]

rage bait worked

[viral grove]

https://tenor.com/view/lionel-hutz-world-peace-rainbow-multicultural-day-dream-gif-20417641

[terse quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/the-finals-nama-tama-gif-3651034948096013602

[gleaming moss]

But probably the matchmaking that just doesn't work / exist

[hasty kayak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1041063282435428433/1370222627687235646/togif.gif

[covert flax]

hi sockman

[half lantern]

@smoky kestrel definitely a lot could be taken from the chinals especially gun game

[gleaming moss]

It may as well have been a FCAR medium, if u are good u will kill lower skilled players with any decent weapon

[viral grove]

Morning.

[open imp]

its gonna be hard to balance but the game is in a good spot tbh balance wise, spawns are still off but are better than what they were, hardly come across server issues anymore

[viral grove]

I made the drastic mistake of going to the reddit. Hurt me mentally.

[open imp]

did you beat ronin last night

[covert flax]

reddit hurts, because it made me read it

[viral grove]

We did win against Ronin. I said GG then lost 2 games in a row and lost diamond.

[open imp]

what diamond skin you redeeming with the token?

[terse quartz]

guy who has never fought against V9S

[viral grove]

Revolver

[open imp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1009830578545246213/1397360180655689841/togif-4.gif

[viral grove]

I just frankly cant stand this season. My head hurts from how much I tried to justify it

[high pier]

i've not even gotten my tokens/rewards from last season yet 😭

[open imp]

i like the rehaul on world tour and ranked getting tokens which ive wanted for so long now, but no new weapons, specials, or gadgets? kinda nuts, i heard they gotten more hires for both arc and finals so i know they can do more than what they are doing honestly

[open imp]

this season they started doing tokens, and its probably still rolling out

[viral grove]

Just lights are the most annoying thing in the world, repeater, and titan just making my little head spin

[high pier]

right but it's been like 2 and half weeks since the season started and to not have any rewards yet is pretty jank

[open imp]

i dont really got an issue with any of the weapons, besides sword, that goddamn pesky sword.

if they are better players that can aim then well i was meant to lose that game i guess

[polar saddle]

Hm

[viral grove]

V9s being insanely powerful since season 0 but gaslit to be bad is the greatest iceberg of all time

[low prawn]

rank up!

[terse quartz]

probaly because no one wanted to get carpal tunnel to use a slightly better M11 (range was still shite)

[open imp]

light is the hardest to balance in the game, its a struggle, cause yes its meant to be a glass canon, but not making it powerful enough to instantly delete a heavies health pool

[gleaming moss]

Idc about v9s, light is easy to kill

[terse quartz]

Embark forgot literally no one likes the poke long range meta so they decided to buff a weapon to have even more poke capability

genius balancing!

[harsh dome]

Embark doing anything but fixing there servers

[viral grove]

You could fix light in 2 days of stat changes alone but they wont do it.
Just remove his long range on weapons that aren't designed for it.

The pistol should not outrange every rifle in the game.

[cerulean sparrow]

Nerfing the pike just to buff the CB on the same patch was a masterful gambit.

[gleaming moss]

True but as long as repeater and bfr exist in their current state I see no reason to change v9s

[cerulean sparrow]

We felt like the poke weapon was a bit too annoying, so we've buffed the other poke weapon so people would use it more.

[terse quartz]

Embark and their revolutionary balancing

[gleaming moss]

Embark balance team is cooked and thinks all fps gamers like burst / semi fire weapons for some reason

[forest saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-finals-finals-tf-iseul-t-iseult-gif-11984190231511400072

[wanton wadi]

Remember the CL40 buff making the game a Boom Boom Simulator

[cerulean sparrow]

Pike is fun as hell to use it's just never ever competing against CB right now.

[viral grove]

AK being a controller weapon is a masterful gambit

[open imp]

yeah i actually just thought of that just now, i think it would be smart to add bullet drop to all guns honestly, but keeping the "meant to be" long range weapons like sniper and pike as is

[terse quartz]

both of those guns also need a nerf

[cerulean sparrow]

That wouldn't solve anything you're just making the current poke weapon even more annoying and undefeatable.

[viral grove]

Bullet drop and bullet travel time on every gun would unironically fix all poke weapons in the game but it wouldnt be fun for controller players

[terse quartz]

BFR got jack shit of a nerf and Repeater literally gets away scot free

[gleaming moss]

Yup embark balance team is the only part of their company that isn't as bad as the spawn design team

I wrote that poorly but cba to rephrase

[cerulean sparrow]

Surprisingly enough the meta this season is miles better than season 8.

[whole ridge]

Just cuz it’s a pistol doesn’t mean it has to be worse then assault rifles it’s also on the (generally) highest dps class it’s fine to have a high dps weapon on the high dps class

[open imp]

i understand that but i can just only think of it as just practice on it and you'll eventually get better i guess

[gleaming moss]

Yea at least the v9s makes more sense than bfr and repeater

[harsh dome]

Nah buff repeater fr, faster fire rate

[terse quartz]

still doesnt make sense why they would leave the long range weapons that people complained in S8 unchanged

[forest saddle]

buff quick melee range, i want those snipers to feel my elbow

[gleaming moss]

Most obvious bait I've seen in this discord xD

[open imp]

they want his below to be felt

[whole ridge]

Seeing other specs besides winch is nice

[viral grove]

When the v9S hits maximum fall off, it does more damage than all the assault rifles and has the fastest dps over distance in the game.

Pistol or not, that is not okay at all.

[forest saddle]

no

[open imp]

https://medal.tv/games/the-finals/clips/lNCDgeWo1DE4aIfcW?invite=cr-MSxOUU0sMTY4NDM5OTIz&v=0

[harsh dome]

Yes it's bait. No shit. But I also would love if they put the dmg from 88-90

Maybe make the range less

[forest saddle]

wow, such sportmanship. "If my opponent dies from a fall, so shall I."

[viral grove]

Less long range meta. Please for the love of god.

[forest saddle]

melee meta

[harsh dome]

Actually I support this

[steady acorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1298168712964083733/Card.gif

[open imp]

remove long range meta and then give the heavy a barret 50. 🔥

[terse quartz]

not only is it very opressive its also quite boring to play long range

[forest saddle]

heaviest class when

[viral grove]

Heavy shouldn't have any superior range. He should be the king of close quarters.

[whole ridge]

So to clarify what you are saying is that th v9s can’t have long range cuz that’s for assault rifles

[harsh dome]

Giving the heavy the bfr was such a shit idea. I don't want this giant meatball sliming me out half way across the map 😭 let it stay a meatball in place

[open imp]

i love it when im moving to an objective and start getting shot at by a team on their cashout 120m away 🔥

[terse quartz]

which is why giving heavy the BFR is such game design failure

[steady acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-laughing-gif-13031147940704744720

[terse quartz]

heavy is literally supposed to fall off at long range and dominate the close range

[open imp]

yeah that was a joke, heavy was built as a area denier / close combat warrior

[harsh dome]

That's the whole point, giving it the BFR was such a shit idea

[terse quartz]

thats The Finals folks

[forest saddle]

why doesnt google let me create an account with a pc? i dont have a phone, i cant scan the qr code

[open imp]

https://medal.tv/games/the-finals/clips/lNl7UXUBYx340NvGm?invite=cr-MSxJdkssMTY4NDM5OTIz&v=20

[harsh dome]

It hates you

[forest saddle]

not just me lol

[harsh dome]

It hates everyone

[forest saddle]

then it must get hatred from everyone