⚡┇the-finals-chat

[meager kettle]

Typically when a game releases, something will be broken. Devs take the feedback in and see what makes a weapon too strong and change it accordingly

[covert marsh]

@peak shoal try reading first

[peak shoal]

sorry i'm still hangover

[meager kettle]

If you have a gun that stuns someone to the point they can't move their crosshair and still get killed by a shotgun into quick melee, that sounds like a personal issue

[peak shoal]

what

what's your point i dont understand the path there

[covert marsh]

Meanwhile s1 they could be running circles around you and you wouldnt hear a thing

[meager kettle]

Sledgehammer ❤️ I made a meme and shared it in another server, I'd post it here but I don't have image permissions yet

[peak shoal]

bro is abusing hyperbole

they did add more volume for the invis sound, but you ALWAYS could clearly hear em, find me a s1 clip please

[covert marsh]

And the thing is this was back when db was even stronger and xp was a top tier weapon

[covert marsh]

Ima be real I was on a 970 in s1 I couldnt clip shit

[peak shoal]

i hope i still have some of my old ones

[tawny osprey]

Ngl xp meta was cancer, also tk dash

[covert marsh]

Real ones remember when tks was a throw pick

[sonic totem]

Ok, but make it have less hp

[covert marsh]

(Modern day)

[peak shoal]

now the entire light class is a throw pick, funny how this game evolves right ?

[meager kettle]

heavy or the lockbolt itself?

[sonic totem]

Lockbolt

[covert marsh]

Did you know lockbolt has around half the hp before it grabs anyone

[meager kettle]

understandable

[sonic totem]

I did not

[meager kettle]

But light is the strongest class in the game still

[vital wave]

https://tenor.com/view/goo-gun-the-finals-goo-gif-11263600545026771416

[meager kettle]

just because it isn't still stronger

[covert marsh]

Me neither but it sounds true, I've only been able to test it once and it was very inconclusive so I've just been sayin it hopin someone could confirm

[tawny osprey]

The nerf to sledgehammer hit kinda hard with lockbolt, you used to be able to one tap it with an overhead but it takes multiple to break it with sledgehammer now

[vital wave]

A splendid day to all heavy players

[covert marsh]

No

[sonic totem]

Coult try n test in private game

[peak shoal]

not when i boot up ranked that's for sure

[covert marsh]

Probably, lazy tho so

[sonic totem]

Is lockbolt still bugged with gateway?
Like do the chains not break?

[wind bay]

i feel like making a video on how not to play this game, based off the things i have seen. The only problem is most of the real stupid stuff comes from casual Head to Head.

But then again, wouldn’t that make sence to make a video on that? i mean sure there are many people that playing ranked when they shouldn’t be. But the people without a clue would only be in casual.

And when i say “Ways to not play” I mean like, Taking cover like its a battle filed can then getting bum rushed by a guy dressed as an orc with a spun up miny gun. Or actively avoiding combat as a light to “Revive”’your downed team. Never knowing that the enemi is literally a thing one tap because you are playing passively with a class design to be hyper aggressive. Things like that

[peak shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/the-finals-heavy-charge-and-slam-charge-n-slam-dive-gif-12205568351218377262

[meager kettle]

Goo gun is possibly the most underrated thing in the game. It's a lot better than its use rate would imply

[wind bay]

DA FLYIN HEADBUTT

[pastel sail]

A good Goo Gun user is a nightmare.

[peak shoal]

it's the most BROKEN OP spec in the entire game, this shit can lock people in place with them being unable to do anything

oh no wait that's winch

[tawny osprey]

Nah light has the strongest heal util in the game, plus stuff like gateway and other unique utils, can’t really say any class in the game is the worst bc each class has different roles, it’s like saying tanks are better than healers

[covert marsh]

I mean none of those seem like bad ways to play ima be real

1. if you're being pushed by a revved mini then you know they're there so you can prefire

2. revive spamming is necessary when teammates are morons and keep running back into the fight when it's 2 up (as you see this, think about playing safely). Also it could be contract

3. not knowing enemy is 1tap is a consequence of your own bad or lack of comms I'm gonna be so real

[peak shoal]

yeah but that's the issue, you need a lot of experience to be able to use these, around 95% of light users are not that skilled, which makes it an automatic throw pick

[tawny osprey]

I used to main goo gun back in s2, very fun util

[stable drum]

also light is literally not designed to push everything, not with 150 hp

[meager kettle]

saying that any of the heavy specs are the most OP is wild when dash exists. You get away with so much that you should never get away with

[stable drum]

that's a missconception that will make you get negative kd if applied

[covert marsh]

I mean they both do it but winch is brutal because the hitbox is so stupidly forgiving and it allows teammates to hit and it also gives you free headshots and it moves the opponents forcefully

[stable drum]

you still described goo gun perfectly tho lol

[wind bay]

well, I will give you a credit for the last one. The problem is you’re missing the context. Clearly if I’m making a video on how not to play in these are the arguments I’m making. Then that means the people using this method are not utilizing the the benefits of what you talked about. For example, the person who took cover wasn’t pre-firing. They ran out of ammo stayed behind cover and got rushed down because they were not expecting it rushed down to begin with.

[covert marsh]

Infuser is one of the strongest but heal beam has stupid high consistency and emitter is the only one of the three that can heal the user

Also gateway can be played without via doublemovement med ngl

[wind bay]

I’ve noticed a lot of people who play this game. Try way too hard to compare to other games they played. And it shows. Like for example you can flake in the finals, but you can really only do that if you’re a light that knows what you’re doing, but you’re going to break through a wall at the cash box.

[covert marsh]

If someone runs out of ammo and is close enough to a minigun that they can rush them down then there's no way they were living if they played perfectly ima be real

[wind bay]

I know because people are thinking the finals are comparable to other first person shooters. And I’ve been seeing a lot of that recently.

[meager kettle]

I wish more used healing beam, it's so nice! I use it when I have players that are better than me on my team

[peak shoal]

Goo gun is stupidly annoying to fight against in close range, you basically can't fight, can't flee. Best counterplay I thought of is using barricades to block the goo shots since they pop up instantly

[tawny osprey]

I feel like emitter is too situational, plus the healing speed feels underwhelming

[tawny osprey]

Dome should block it

[knotty creek]

Anyone else feel like some of the ltms like blast off and heaven or else could be made into permanant gamemodes cuz idk about yall but i feel like gamemode variety has severely decreased after bank it and terminal attacks removal

[obtuse whale]

I just use it regardless it’s kind of nuts how fast it can turn a fight

[karmic valley]

Nah

[obtuse whale]

Forces the enemy to kill your teammate twice

[peak shoal]

Yeah I think it does but you have to wait three seconds before it activates 💀

[tulip forge]

its funny, i never had that bug before but atleast it's patched i suppose

[covert marsh]

You wanna know the real reason emitter is arguably the strongest?

You throw down an emitter and suddenly every breakpoint weapon takes one or two more shots to kill you, and you can always duck out for like a second and instantly get another breakpoint

now throw that on with heavy's new sniper and 350 hp

A headglitching bfr with emitter is only killable with other poke weapons or godly aim and both can be ignored by crouching for two seconds and just standing back up again

[meager kettle]

I use the sneddy gun when I don't trust my teammate

I've gotten really good at placing it by now

[covert marsh]

Tf you mean you've never had it before I see it every other session it's been goin since s1

[tulip forge]

like i said, just never experienced it

[peak shoal]

Who tf plays powershift anyway

[meager kettle]

there's a lot of server-to-server differences. Apparently on America they use the SHAK often? according to the friend that recommended it to me

On Asia/Oceania I rarely see the SHAK

[tulip forge]

also powershift wasn't added until s2

[unreal glacier]

i hate how dome doesnt block heavy specs, but it blocks reshaper

[covert marsh]

Er yeah I was thinkin of the trailer lol

[tawny osprey]

I play heavy melee so mobility is big for me(pun intended) but yea it is annoying to come across bc then I have to land extra swings, plus another one is its streams is that and heal the whole team at the same time so its good for team play

[covert marsh]

P sure it bounces goo blobs away but everythn else it ignores

[tawny osprey]

I can’t really carrying around Chuck to place it down and wait 5 business days for it to open again

[peak shoal]

and sometimes it glitches and doesn't heal you

[tawny osprey]

It would be stupid op if shields blocked charge and slam,

[unreal glacier]

wym by breakpoint weapons?

[obtuse whale]

Weapons like repeater and BFR that take a certain number of shots to kill

[willow plinth]

can we get nigeria 🇳🇬 flag

[obtuse whale]

Even just a little bit if Healing can add a shot to kill for guns like that

[tawny osprey]

Breakpoint is referring to how many hits of a weapon it takes to kill and the ttk, for example, it takes 3 swings with sledge to kill a med but with emmiter it takes 4, making the breaking point longer and extending the fight

[covert marsh]

Repeater (88x4=352)
Akimbos (44x8=352)
BFR (90x4=360)

Weapons that would take a lot of extra time just to kill someone at very low hp (that they can gain by healing) but are calculated around killing them normally

[meager kettle]

People say the BFR Titan is good but most players I see using it are very bad

[peak shoal]

bfr is good only if your aim is good

[meager kettle]

I guess it's a high skill-floor weapon

[obtuse whale]

Doesn’t make the weapon bad that makes them bad

[meager kettle]

But if your aim is that good play with Light's sniper

[peak shoal]

no thank you

[obtuse whale]

Light don’t got no winch or 350hp

[covert marsh]

Problem is bfr is stronger and more consistant than sniper in every way, along with having 200 more hp and a self heal

[peak shoal]

the sniper rifle in this game feels awful

[tawny osprey]

Yeah but they got 3 charges of dash so they escape basically instantly

[meager kettle]

Dash is really strong

[covert marsh]

Not as strong as a free headshot button + 200 extra hp

[meager kettle]

like stupidly strong, needs a nerf more than any heavy thing

[peak shoal]

dash is always the same speed, always the same distance i wonder how you struggle against it

[obtuse whale]

Most of the time they’re instantly dead refused less if you know what you’re doing with heavy

[livid sedge]

Its a crutch weapon for bad heavy players same with winch

[covert marsh]

Dash is in fact extremely easy to track as it's always 5 meters in a given direction

[obtuse whale]

Dash is strong but not as good as winch trust

[tulip forge]

healing emitter is incredibly powerful.
especially considering it's on the character with 350hp

[mint bloom]

Can't winch headshot quick melee combo a light with sniper so bfr is better

[meager kettle]

No? Bad players can't use the BFR because it relies on aim

[livid sedge]

Thats why high level players dash into you

[meager kettle]

An actual crutch weapon would be the flamethrower

[covert marsh]

???

Who the fuck is claiming to be high level and dashing straight into someone

[livid sedge]

Who needs aim when you have 350 health a heal ball and a mesh shield

[mint bloom]

Also I'd much rather use a weapon called "big f@$#ing rifle"

[covert marsh]

Insane way to eat a thousand bullets and miss all of yours via midair accuracy holy shit

[livid sedge]

Nah you dash through people homie so your constantly forcing them to spin their camera

[peak shoal]

For a revolver ?

[covert marsh]

No you dash over them to force them to vertical and horizontal track

[livid sedge]

Also true fuck the flamethrower

[meager kettle]

Don't know if it happens on NA (where I assume where most of you come from), but dagger can be incredibly stupid with the dash

[covert marsh]

Granted vertical+hori is still easy to track

[peak shoal]

Something we can agree on

[livid sedge]

They just hate the dagger

[tawny osprey]

I keep flamethrower in my reserve for triple lights ngl

[meager kettle]

if you don't 1 shot them you're insta dead because they dashed through you and used melee aim assist to kill you instantly

[peak shoal]

Ok that's an acceptable use case

[covert marsh]

Melee aim assist is actively harmful on every melee in the game especially dagger

[karmic valley]

You cant dash through people

[livid sedge]

Dagger has several bugs and is wildly inconsistent? Embark: "we've decided to nerf the dagger"

[timber junco]

good luck all

[peak shoal]

You too

[rapid girder]

Good morning

[sonic totem]

Melee aim assist suck, i always play without. Makes u way less mobile when it turned on

[unreal glacier]

light with sniper has less than half the hp

[karmic valley]

Same went for sniper and now this is ONLY powershift weapon (and all nerfs were done only because of powershift, which is really funny)

[mint bloom]

Yeah it's my favourite revolver in the game (even though I'm not that great with it). It's not really called that, but I call it that because it sounds funny and cool.

[livid sedge]

Melee aim assist off on dagger makes the backstab so much more wildly inconsistent though

[sonic totem]

Not if u do it quick enough

[covert marsh]

You keep saying things that makes me think you havent even played the game I'm so ngl

[unreal glacier]

a revolver called "big f-ing rifle"? can u think of another word than rifle that might start with r and fits better?

[peak shoal]

That was my thesis behind my answer

[sweet grail]

Morning my not ozpuze friend

[karmic valley]

Why bother if sr-84 is literally the worst long range weapon in the game

[livid sedge]

If theyd just made it a fully projectile weapon it would still be a high skill weapon but its actually be adaptable in every engagement, but then they go and release the pike which was just a strictly better sniper with 100 more health so idk what theyre doing over there

[tawny osprey]

Railway car

[karmic valley]

Sniper being fully projectile is dumb and never should've had this projectile thing

[unreal glacier]

cuz it hits ya like a truck

[mint bloom]

No sorry I'm a heavy main, thinking is not something we do 😔

[livid sedge]

🤷‍♂️

[covert marsh]

Nuh uh

V9 is technically LD if you think hard enough

[peak shoal]

BEEP BEEP

[unreal glacier]

dw, same. wanna share sum glue to eat?

[livid sedge]

Itd be way more natural than this weird 50/50 change they gave it

[meager kettle]

Either way, buff the model 1887 someway. Probably the Cerberus too

[unreal glacier]

its not, its hybrid at 40m

[tawny osprey]

I like snatching ankles with the winch

[karmic valley]

This would suck for everyone. This change would literally made it as a worse bow with way more downside which would kill gun completely

[mint bloom]

Yes please, I usually only eat goo, but glue sounds good too. Thank you 😊

[livid sedge]

I mean if it works for you im not gonna stop you

[peak shoal]

i forget the range on the winch sometimes, this is art

[karmic valley]

Not what i said

[tawny osprey]

12m, I miss the 17m glory days

[livid sedge]

Only if you cant aim track

[covert marsh]

As someone with way too many hours on sniper

The gun would in fact feel better and be easier to quick calc if it was projectile the whole way through so I wouldnt have to calculate the projectile starting at an arbitrary point that I cant see

[karmic valley]

Yeah ok buddy contestant with lvl 1 sr-84

[unreal glacier]

"sniper being fully projectile" is exactly what u said

[covert marsh]

Wasnt it 20m 15 damage on release

[livid sedge]

3rd highest level weapon i have

[karmic valley]

Read what i replied to

[karmic valley]

And how many levels it has I'm curious

[unreal glacier]

oh my b lol

[livid sedge]

White but roughly 20k from purple

[karmic valley]

Oh so it's not even lvl 6

[peak shoal]

wanna play a game ?

tell me how i did this (it's stationnary)

[livid sedge]

Yeah homie I play every single weapon

[tawny osprey]

17m on release with 15 or 10, I forget but lights we complain it bc rpg used to do 140 and you could insta kill a light with rpg at the cost of half ur hp

[covert marsh]

My sniper personally I believe is level 8 but that's because I play literally every weapon

[unreal glacier]

by being placed there?

[karmic valley]

And i don't. I play only what I have fun with. Sniper was fun to play with before it got nerfed 3 times back to back

[peak shoal]

nope, and afaik if you do that it just jumps straight up no ?

[brazen oxide]

I sensed a dagger mention in main chat

[covert marsh]

Sniper would be easier and more fun to calculate from 0m instead of an arbitrary distance I cant see, and it would feel more rewarding to skill

[livid sedge]

Yeah we're not disagreeing on that i just wish they wouldnt have given it an arbitrary range thats difficult to eyeball and comes down to literally guessing 40 meters

[meager kettle]

it's a screenshot, so probably was bouncing and was photographed at this place

[karmic valley]

Imo it was fine with full hitscan
They could've just disable it in ps idk

[tawny osprey]

I rarely saw snipers in regular play before and after the nerfs, basically would only find them in powershift on top of a crane

[peak shoal]

nope, i took the screenshot exactly because it didnt bounce xd

[unreal glacier]

it didnt even get nerfed for a total of 3 times
and one of them is equip time

[tawny osprey]

Not sure why they nerfed it tho

[brazen oxide]

They disabled defib in TA and TDM but cant disable sniper like eh

[covert marsh]

I love how people always say this as if sniper's even good in ps

[livid sedge]

Again we still dont disagree

[peak shoal]

tower of babel

[unreal glacier]

moreso obnoxious

[vague sonnet]

Jenga

[covert marsh]

It's just occurred to me that that's where the word babble comes from

[brazen oxide]

TA was the sole reason cause people did some nonsense with throwing goo on the pre game barricade and sniped you off rip

[livid sedge]

I just wish if they really wanted to.nerf it they wouldve just made it a projectile weapon

[karmic valley]

But yet it's only ps weapon in current state
Literally no point to use over bow/lh1 in any other gamemode lmao

[peak shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/shaquille-o-neal-athlete-laughing-hysterically-laughing-lol-gif-17917128

[hybrid bloom]

sniper is op nerf it

[livid sedge]

People still do that in tdm lol especially on that god awful peace center

[covert marsh]

Correct it's a shit weapon

Why remove it from the only gamemode where it's even close to being usable

Especially when in the gamemode it loses especially hard because the point of the mode is to bunker on plat

[livid sedge]

Now they do it with the repeater though

[livid sedge]

Yeah vs the 2 heavy 3 medium strat it just cant do anything

[karmic valley]

To give it reasons to be useful and gave some buffs for like main mode, cashout??

[livid sedge]

I mean it will never be more than niche in a mode where you want to be playing closer to your teammates

[covert marsh]

Literally what type of buff could you give sniper that would make it even close to viable in cashout

Past 40m you shouldnt be fighting in cashout anyway and if you suggest returning the old hipfire that was obnoxious as hell

Damage tweaks are just gonna make even more people mad at sniper and other number tweaks wont do enough

Making sniper 2shot medium is in fact not the play

[mint bloom]

Sniper only seems to get use when playing on maps lots of rooftop gameplay like Monaco and Bernal where it's good for applying pressure with poke damage and finishing off low hp enemies

[ancient valve]

is the 50 revives tracking? i revived 5 players this one game and it didnt go up

[peak shoal]

btw have the devs said anything about how jenga happens sometimes with the pickups ? it's so funny

[karmic valley]

Get rid of this dumb nerf of equipping time on this weapon
Maybe small zoom speed increase
Increase hitscan range/increase speed of projectile
These changes wouldn't make it op but way more fun to use

[livid sedge]

And its usually only used by one tricks otherwise you'd take lh1 or arn for the same role

[mint bloom]

Sniper is fine as it is, only buff it needs is a revert the changes to quick melee so it's more viable in close quarters

[ancient valve]

fire rate increase, it has a shot issue right now where its delaye dup to 1.5s after clicking mouse/pressing the trigge,r i dunno whats going on but the sniper has a shot delay now

[mint bloom]

But they are never reverting the quick melee changes

[covert marsh]

Equip nerf is unnoticeable as someone who quickswaps with everything

Ads accuracy is literally instant and the zoom is only cosmetic

Again, outside of 40m you shouldnt be fighting consistently anyway

Also not a single one of these buffs would make it less useless in cashout

[livid sedge]

I mean bow is better choice in cashout and actually sees play so thats an indictment on sniper in its own right

[subtle flicker]

Anyone know if those 5 second long freezes are fixed yet, haven’t played in weeks.

[tulip forge]

they said they fixed stuttering in the notes
and from what i played there weren't any

granted the game wasn't stuttering for me before the update so take that as you will

[thin lake]

Is there a tech support channel?
I have questions regarding the game and Linux

[mint bloom]

Yeah, there are a few weapons like that where its niche is better served by another weapon so the only reason to pick it is because you like it. This only overall major negative consequences of the balancing, some weapons lose their distinct identity and feel interchangeable with another

[compact pumice]

how we doing today yall

[livid sedge]

I dont think so but you could always try #📧┇contact-us

[ancient valve]

seems to be ok for myself now but i gotta play a crossplay game with 5 console players in the match to really tell

[compact pumice]

ive heard it runs well on linux, ive never tried it but i might be able to help ive got quite a bit of experience with linux itself

[livid sedge]

I think its also a specific part of their balancing also just making weapons less fun to play, the same thing we saw when fcar and Lewis gun got nerfed they made the recoil so bad that even though they were still good absolutely no one wanted to use them

[compact pumice]

what distro are you running first off?

[thin lake]

Yeah it runs very well
But I recently switched to a successful attempt of trying it out and the game just doesn't want to boot

[mint bloom]

I know someone who had the same issue and it fixed after they changed some settings with GPU acceleration. Could be a possible solution for 🤷‍♂️

[thin lake]

We are running Debian 13

[meager kettle]

Should run with WINE/Proton, though I've struggled with preloading shaders

[thin lake]

Yes that's the first thing I've turned on but no results on boot it just boots for a second and then stops

[compact pumice]

anything notable happen before this issue came about?

[meager kettle]

It worked with Proton for me

[thin lake]

I have honestly no idea
It is only have happened with the latest season

[thin lake]

I'll see if I can use a different version and see if that works

[meager kettle]

do you have the correct drivers?

[compact pumice]

im not sure, my suggestions would be to verify files and run an update if youre on Debian unstable

[mint bloom]

Yeah those recoil changes were awful so glad they reverted it and no longer do recoil changes for balancing. I still stubbornly used Lewis during that time so when they reverted it I felt like a aim god with perfect recoil control.

[thin lake]

Ill have noted down the following things to try

Thank you all for the help <3

[compact pumice]

yw, wish i could be of more help but my install has been bricked for over a year since i tried to change my processor and ive never gotten around to fixing it

[thin lake]

Okay so switching to experimental version of proton did the trick

[livid sedge]

Thats baller as hell, my aim is already hot garbage when they nerfed it i tried to use it a couple of times and I must of looked like a drunk with a broken arm 😅

[compact pumice]

yeah that usually does it

[thin lake]

Welp thanks again <3
Now I can just test and benchmark now!

[livid sedge]

But yeah im also glad theyve been undoing a lot of those changes, I really hope they rework weapons in the future to not lose their niche and fun factor when making balancing changes, its a understandably difficult line to balance but theyre getting better

[tulip forge]

recoil nerfs are the worst

in a game with learnable patterns it's 100% not the way to do balancing

[ancient valve]

please add a do not revive option

[mint bloom]

Oh yeah, the balancing changes were rough for the 1st year. It took a while, but things are so much better.

[tulip forge]

jesus 13k videos bro
damn

[livid sedge]

They still got some bugs, namely in dagger balancing

[steel obsidian]

why ospuze event and not trentilla...

[livid sedge]

Melee in general actually

[covert flax]

cozy mode = activated

[tulip forge]

because ospuze sour core is a real product you can buy now

[ancient valve]

solo everything, record, edit, upload etc. i was really into it 2 years ago but slowly losing the passion

[tulip forge]

thats a lot of videos

[steel obsidian]

I need more trentilla cosmetic 😭

[mint bloom]

Yeah we just don't talk about melee balancing. I'd rather not think about it so I don't get upset

[tulip forge]

looks good

[mint bloom]

Add a nama tama plushie to increase comfiness

[compact pumice]

wrong screenshot

how do you throw with flamethrower?

like, that is is so easy to get kills with

[covert flax]

I just noticed my bed looks TINY in this picture

[orchid ginkgo]

Bro, someone just invited me to playtest Deadlock but I'm not good at MOBA games

[tough inlet]

i did NOT cook

[vague sonnet]

I will have to cook later

[sweet grail]

Don’t worry double light special with only one that’s attacking anyone I hurt and my last game of the night sigh damn shame

[compact pumice]

bro

3rd parties this season have been out of control, every single cashout im fighting 2 or 3 teams

the entire season, i dont even play ranked

[barren basin]

Someone wanna play with me and my boy

[compact pumice]

and then you spawn 200m away from the cashout with no chance of stealing it back

[mystic stone]

true

[barren basin]

I need a teammate

[indigo wedge]

has embark released the soundtrack for the ospuze sour core event?

[compact pumice]

like are we fr embark? and 30s team respawn timers?

do you want us to keep playing? this is how you get a playbase to die

dont even get me started on cashout griefing

like every single thing in WT rn seems to be stacked against you losing, every time i have to defend a cashout im fighting 6 to 12 people, its ridiculous

ive had this every single game for 2 weeks, i have gigabit internet so i KNOW its not on my end

[sweet grail]

Same here doesn’t help but if everyone has it we are all on a level playing field, you had two dud team mates and lycommit against you what can you do with that my friend 🫡

[versed mason]

you do realise that if you are losing, someone else has to be winning right? i dont think this is a universal experience

[sweet grail]

Looks super cozy 🥂

[vague sonnet]

do you have a server ID (bottom right corner while in the match) on which this has happened?

[compact pumice]

every game

but here this is my current

[vague sonnet]

region?

[inner spruce]

I gotchu

[compact pumice]

North America, D4241-N74B9-XV5XZ

[vague sonnet]

thanks

[compact pumice]

i mean sure, but then why every game am i fighting endless third parties, and i always have the highest stats on me team so i know its not ME

[sweet grail]

Im sorry

[compact pumice]

my fucking back hurts bro, i shouldnt have to carry this hard

[quartz violet]

Walker

[vague sonnet]

Frazz 🦖

[tough inlet]

the walkers

[inner spruce]

Tgravvvy#6661

[vague sonnet]

We don't do callouts here, so if you have any proof of that, please send it over via #📧┇contact-us

[versed mason]

i mean fair, the SBMM isn't particularly amazing (especially in WT) but i feel like if you are losing more often than not theres probably something past your stats

[languid nova]

i dont do links you do it buddy.

[mint bloom]

Carry me please, haven't touched the finals since arc was released. My aim is probably rusty now and my brain will take a while to readapt to the fast pace gameplay.

[languid nova]

like i said @chibu is being racist in the calls we will leak his address if it continues.

[steep raven]

i dont understand why this is the only arn skin that has vertical grip

[languid nova]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-no-way-gif-24547692

[autumn basin]

Whadd up baby girls ?

[vital wave]

Im 47 years old

[sweet grail]

I did hit you with a rpg randomly from far away in that game my bad bro my bad

[nimble kelp]

why cant sword deflect grenades and RPGs?

[autumn basin]

Thats old as hell

[compact pumice]

are you the mighty?

[void moss]

Hi grandpa

[solar coyote]

Because theres supposed to be something to counter the deflection

[nimble kelp]

like what

[autumn basin]

Balls

[solar coyote]

An explosion for example

[nimble kelp]

no i mean like baseball

[sweet grail]

I don’t remember honestly probably tho man, but lycommit was literally also are enemy, I only sniped you with a rocket when you where fighting the people above you in the suspended structures on the deck

[nimble kelp]

redirect its direction

[autumn basin]

I dont want that bs in the game

Cl 40 is enough tomfoolery

[sweet grail]

My team was hot ass though double lights Kyoto I just sighed my man, then it’s also you and ly commit yup let me just win this 💀😂

[compact pumice]

oh i thought you meant the current game, i just got double fisted with rpgs off rip for 190dmg it was dumb

[nimble kelp]

it can deflect grenade launchers if thats the case

[autumn basin]

But then there would be no counterpick against it

[nimble kelp]

i mean you have to use the M1 to deflect it, never said it was easy

[autumn basin]

Im a meele weapon hater anyways you shoot in a shooter

[nimble kelp]

its like baseball

[autumn basin]

Meele players are just m1 auto clickers theres the proof

[nimble kelp]

how about gun users

[autumn basin]

You aim and then M1 totally different

[nimble kelp]

in melee you technically have to position well and plan your approach and chase

[autumn basin]

But still having good positioning is not that hard and the reward is you just dont need to aim and still win

Same with cl40 good positioning and you can spam your ass cheeks off and win

Thats not how you should be able to win a fight

🤓

[nimble kelp]

but you can. if gun and melee technically needs both good positioning and how you approach stuff with a gun and melee is totally different then arent guns and melee require the same fundementals to work and learn with?

[steep raven]

https://liquipedia.net/thefinals/Portal:Players/Europe

CHAT THE FINALS IS NOW RECOGNIZABLE

[midnight briar]

What’s the point of arc chat if u can’t even chat 😭

[tall verge]

is it just me or is the game unplayable lag spiking garbage after the last update?

[steep raven]

Embark killed The Finals with Arc Raiders

[autumn basin]

Good positioning is always important but with meele weapons or wildcards like the cl40 thats all you need the rest is free

[nimble kelp]

how about getting into melee range

[autumn basin]

Good positioning

[nimble kelp]

how about chasing

[autumn basin]

Dont do it

[torpid echo]

Carrying is the real Finals.

[sonic totem]

M1 spam is stupid, they shud revert ot back to somewhat skill based. Like sword before the last changs
Yeh

[torpid echo]

Any good and smart player can easily mitigate wildcards like CL40... its a self-attribution bias whereby a player gets a kill its due to their skill, they die its due to bad luck or OP other weapon or some other nonsense

[midnight briar]

Every gun user is an m1 spammer because that’s the shoot key

[nimble kelp]

hes right

you technically do need to aim because not every melee have a wide damage arc

[sonic totem]

0-0

[nimble kelp]

raiders

[autumn basin]

Sword in early seasons really was better

[sonic totem]

I agreee

Now its just a spam weapon

[midnight briar]

The m1 spam

[autumn basin]

Even if you counter play its just anoying to deal with und very bad for my ears and framerate

[midnight briar]

But fr tho swords the easiest shit ever to counter

[nimble kelp]

actually no. its dual blades

[vital pier]

Anyways lets nerf the swords since i died to it once (average finals player)

[midnight briar]

U need stuff outside of your kit to counter them, cus let’s be honest who’s running grenades

[peak shoal]

wtf is wrong with hitreg today

[midnight briar]

Avg finals player

[nimble kelp]

its more like compared to riot shield, dual blades is more vulnerable compared to sword which tend to be used with dash which can be iffy

[vital pier]

I love how finals makes it so obvious when you no reg lol.

[sonic totem]

What u play, heavy, medium or light

[torpid echo]

Its annoying as people are generally lazy and don't like the cognitive challenge of having to adapt... hence familiarity good, difference bad... if CL40 was very common then people would be less annoyed once they start playing smarter and understanding what is stupid and not stupid to do against a CL40.... ears and framerate is a you issue... I like it when CL40s are blasting like the 1812 overture

[vital pier]

Quits after dying once lmao

[peak shoal]

yeah like you are litterally ON your enemy you can't be more precise and yet

[midnight briar]

Everything, all can easily counter it

[vital pier]

Gold coins all over the screen yet no damage hmmmm

[hollow furnace]

Do i really have to restart enable voice moderation after every game now? Or is this a bug?

[steep raven]

Fuck this

Who needs a mommy when i have The Finals

[sonic totem]

It 2 taps light very quick n easy tho

[atomic charm]

you dont need to restart at all just enable in settings weird tho

[midnight briar]

Dash

[meager kettle]

Buff the Cerberus, and hello I am back from my bath

I had some wine, might be time to queue

[sonic totem]

They also dash? And lunge?

[steep raven]

The Chinals is something else

[midnight briar]

Lmao, just time your shit better

[sonic totem]

Forgot to mention i use melee

[torpid echo]

Why are lights face tanking opponents is the question I ask... you shouldn't be seeing a light coming at you if they are even of average skill.

[nimble kelp]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3606480/Call_of_Duty_Black_Ops_7/?snr=1_4_4__118 the finals just died tooday

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[vital pier]

Ew

Yuck get it off my screen

[nimble kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-yo-gif-26891796

[vital pier]

https://tenor.com/view/snow-man-mewing-gif-7910098760404804948

[meager kettle]

It's rated as Mixed. Curious

[tall verge]

this update broke so much shit

[midnight briar]

Dagger you shouldn’t be spotted, sword is just who’s better, riot shields just timing, dual blade can block sword lunges, spear is timing +winch, and hammer is just winch

[tall verge]

like how did u fuck up the ui this bad server issues aside and lag spikes aside and audio issues aside

[nimble kelp]

the campaign is always online

[vital pier]

There has to be a balance of bugs fixxed and new bugs added, its the way of the finals.

[midnight briar]

Me with the last 10 updates

[meager kettle]

Seems fine to me, maybe you're nit-picking?

[sonic totem]

Sword feels way lower skill tho

[compact pumice]

i think i cooked with this one

[vital pier]

Do you even play the finals

[meager kettle]

Do you?

[midnight briar]

What’s that got to do with countering it

[tall verge]

https://tenor.com/view/itachi-itachi-uchiha-naruto-anime-gif-gif-6980510505105788152

[vital pier]

Maybe your computer and servers are blessed lol

[meager kettle]

What's ragebait?

[midnight briar]

My friend gaslighting me for 3 months because they never experienced the zipquake bug

[meager kettle]

Sorry I'm old, could mean something not obvious

[compact pumice]

Kishimoto don't glaze Itachi challenge (impossible)

[vital pier]

Pain.. until like last season there was a big that didnt let you shoot your gun in a game about shooting guns..

[nimble kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/black-dynamite-black-dynamite-ninja-gif-27102729

[compact pumice]

who got glazed more? Itachi, Kakashi or Hashirama?

[midnight briar]

All season glitch grenades have just disappeared on contact

[vital pier]

Ahdhhdzjjajaia

[versed mason]

its when you bait someone into raging by being annoying

[vague sonnet]

🤔

[vital pier]

Dont remind me of heavy shields eating glitches

[nimble kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/jajajajaja-gif-19383074

[midnight briar]

History is being removed in front of our eyes, and by a dinosaur no less.

[meager kettle]

But I was just stating that this game is very well put together? I don't play any triple A games so maybe my expectations are just low

On average by play hour, my most played games are release in.. about 2008 or so

[nimble kelp]

no i just deleted it

[nimble kelp]

theres glitches in arc raiders?

[vital pier]

After like season 6 the bugs and performance have gotten much better, just a few like to persist since the betas🥲

[vital pier]

Huh wuh

[meager kettle]

I see. I only started in season 8 since a friend recommended it to me

[midnight briar]

Glitch mines yeah, but how glitch mines should work in this game lol

[versed mason]

i dont disagree with you, im just giving definition

[vital pier]

Good season to start then besides a few things not being balanced because of the esport. Otherwise great season.

[torpid echo]

The best counters to any opponent are: brains and skill. If you can't outshoot then outsmart to give yourself the most chance of success

[midnight briar]

There’s like 40 known bugs rn that are all menaces

[meager kettle]

Thank you! I was just stating that I don't believe I was "rage-baiting".

[iron lion]

the new killcam bug is annoying af

[vital pier]

No sprint bug is everyones worst enemy.

[meager kettle]

I don't have the killcam on personally

[iron lion]

and if you get rezzed during killcam sometimes you lose all map things so you dont see where the vaults are etc

[meager kettle]

No sprint? Sprint works just fine for me

[vital pier]

And uhh gate ways over all can be mega ass at times yet its my most used gadget

[tulip forge]

iv had this happen once in the whole time i'v played
was during s7

[proper pewter]

Please, Embark, give me the ability to remove male characters' outerwear so I can cosplay Taggila from EFT🙏

[nimble kelp]

you said Heavy Shields eats glitches

[peak shoal]

but also don't forget

blocked attack bug

invisible people bug

wallhack bug

hitreg bug

[iron lion]

you can turn of killcams?

[vital pier]

Lucky....

[vital pier]

Yippie

[meager kettle]

The only bug that I've encountered was not being able to respawn no matter how much I pressed space

[iron lion]

i kinda like the killcam tho gives you some info on where people are because you see their perspective

[vital pier]

Erm mesh and dome

[iron lion]

i had that once and to fix it i had to click esc and click some menu and after that worked

[midnight briar]

No sprint, no shoot very rarely, gadget swaps getting stuck, everything wrong with sword, kill cam, and more small shit

[meager kettle]

I agree that having killcam off is probably a bad thing

[vital pier]

No sprint bug is wack i think its similar to no shoot bug where you gotta make a lot of inputs.

[meager kettle]

It's good to analyze your gameplay to see where you could've done better

[torpid echo]

Absolutely

[meager kettle]

I do it in other games that are competitive

[iron lion]

ye also that

but this new killcam bug is annoying af.

[vital pier]

90% of the time the cosmetic change button at the start loadout screen just doesnt work for me.

[iron lion]

get rezzed and you are up but you are still watching the killcam and cant stop it

[meager kettle]

I'm excited for next season

I wonder what it'll be about. Do we get sneak peaks in this game?

This season feels rather unfocused in my opinion, though I love the Imperatrix Aurea skin

[vital pier]

Last 3 weeks of a season rumors kinda start

[meager kettle]

I really am the Golden Female Imperator

[meager kettle]

Ah so soon, thank you

[vital pier]

Sometimes on the mark sometimes completely off lol

[iron lion]

isnt it 3 weeks till end of season?

[tired epoch]

I hope next season has more content

[torpid echo]

SEASON 9 WE ARE GOING TO THE MOON

[iron lion]

i thought i saw 30days when i started on saturday

[vital pier]

I think new season is 1st or 2nd week of december

Havent looked recently.

[meager kettle]

28 days is 4 weeks, so it'll be a bit

[iron lion]

oh it is 28 days now

must have missread the 30 then

[meager kettle]

I'll check where it's at

[vital pier]

Hopefully next season cashout is better in anyway at all.

[meager kettle]

but it's still not soon

[slate swift]

yeah hope its less RNG based, feels like playing the lotto

[iron lion]

what feels like playing lotto?

[slate swift]

lol

[vital pier]

As someone who had played this game since closed beta 1 this game update wise is just a gamble for your soul.

[iron lion]

i have only played like half a week on launch and like a week now

[meager kettle]

26 days left in this season

[delicate raptor]

Yippie

[cerulean sparrow]

26 days until a medieval season.

[vague sonnet]

🤔

[versed ore]

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[iron lion]

on like 14 hours now. and i realy have no issues with the game

[delicate raptor]

You may be disappointed

[nimble kelp]

Heard next season in finnish

[iron lion]

ye some weapons feel unfair but i aint judging i just dont know how to play against them etc

[vital pier]

How long have the hopes for a medieval map been goin.

[delicate raptor]

Where Winds Meet drops today 😫😫

[versed ore]

yes

[cerulean sparrow]

Think about it:
-ARC raiders released.
-Everybody moves to the game that is new and updated
-The Finals is lacking updates due to the major

Only way to regain their playerbase? Just make a season based off the theme everyone and their mother has been asking for.

[slate swift]

man put a few hundred hours in, get third partied 69,000 times, and spawn in FKN UGANDA enough times, you'll know what I mean when I say it feels like playing the lotto😭

[vital pier]

Sounds about right

[iron lion]

i mean i have like 45 wins in 95 games

[delicate raptor]

That would be a good move

[vital pier]

Gotta love cashout being all about griefing other teams.

[cerulean sparrow]

It's all planned on a big white board in their meeting room. 👁‍🗨 🧠

[iron lion]

and sure i got 3rd partied but i did my fair share of it aswell all part of tactics

[slate swift]

this stat will stay very close to 50/50. I'm 1800 matches in and I have a 1.02 W/L ratio...

[meager kettle]

I wouldn't mind a medieval season, but I don't think that's what is going to be the season nor would it bring in many people

[vital pier]

Ive watched a bit of esports vids and one team just griefed ssg out of the tourney lmao.

[cerulean sparrow]

Literally any new content would be good. And a new map, especially.

[slate swift]

actually shocked esports isn't 2 team only. Like ssg could very well have been better and more deserving but got fckd over by basically bad luck.

[cerulean sparrow]

Season 3 got slack for adding questionnable stuff but I do believe S6 is worse in terms of content and S8 is worse in terms of decisions.

[vital pier]

One day the new map will also release on poweshift and not after a season and a half later.

[meager kettle]

This event is an omen, Ospuze season coming right up

[iron lion]

isnt esport a mix of 3v3v3v3 and 3v3

[versed ore]

I just don't want them to add a weapon that is overtuned and remains unbalanced for the majority of the season.

[iron lion]

i watched 1 vid

[cerulean sparrow]

You mean like the BFR 👁‍🗨

[nimble kelp]

https://youtu.be/J4pwR-df5uA?si=oOOJo5YCffqJMQ8X

[cinder relic]

holy highlightful event

[vital pier]

Yep and you just gotta giref whover you think is best

[meager kettle]

No, just buff the Model 1887 😄

[vague sonnet]

👀

[slate swift]

kill streaks?

[exotic sparrow]

I'd be fine if S9 had no new content and actually fixed most of the withstanding bugs in the game

[vague sonnet]

-arcinfo

[amber jacinth]

Official ARC Raiders server (click to join!)

Hello, Contestants!
As we want to keep this server true to its purpose, we will only be sharing news and answering questions about THE FINALS.
Please visit the official ARC Raiders server to stay up to date with all the info about the game!

[meager kettle]

Best weapon, let it be powered

[versed ore]

bfr is singlehandedly killing any will I have to play this game.
like genuinely, even when I'm not playing light, it's stupidly fucking spammy.

[cerulean sparrow]

That would completely kill off the game tbh.

[nimble kelp]

Im sending it there to in game feedback

[iron lion]

how is the format of esport because i watched the vid but i didnt understand it

[nimble kelp]

Actual cant embed stuff

[meager kettle]

I very rarely see the BFR, it seems a lot more common on the American server

[vague sonnet]

still wrong channel, server, and the game 😅

[cerulean sparrow]

You do a "massive bug fix season" when the game is at its peak. Not when it's leaking off players left and right.

[nimble kelp]

Thats the thing. You dont

[iron lion]

like first i see them playing a normal game than all of sudden 3v3s than back to normal game into 3v3 again

[versed ore]

standard cashout, I think with ranked teamwipe penalties. So different from quick cash, which is first to 2 cashouts wins.

[exotic sparrow]

Whether or not it would, that's just my personal hope and belief since the game's enjoyability is being hindered by how buggy it is

[versed ore]

I hopped on for 2 games of blast off and it was running a lot smoother, which I was happy about.

[nimble kelp]

Basically the 1st and 2nd team gets put into 3v3 and who ever wins qualifies the losing side of that spectrum gets put into a 3v3 and then qualifies

[vital pier]

Would like to ser ranked just be 3v3 dunno how they will fix griefing vesides completely revamping how and where you spawn or somethin else.

[iron lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyP0lQKCBcI&t=3418s like i watched this vid

[slate swift]

S9 should just bring the game out behind the barn if yk what I'm saying. I've heard they're profitable now but they gotta be making like 50 bucks a month😭

[nimble kelp]

Cashout is still technically young and improvements are there, but long term improvements have yet to be adjusted

[exotic sparrow]

The game a week or two ago was literally at 2 FPS for a few days for an undecernable reason, support couldn't help me, I did everything I could to fix it including reinstalling, only for the game to randomly start working a few days after I did all this, this shit aint stable 😭

[iron lion]

but i didnt understand how it decides who they play etc. because they were vs fnatic basicly all games

in the 3v3v3v3 but never in the 3v3

[vital pier]

Dont underestimate embark fans. They can make this game run forever with cash even if it ends up with 7 players.

[versed ore]

some people did have suggestions to help remove griefing, but I feel like if those are implemented, people can't have those clutch comeback moments.

[slate swift]

gotta be a wealthy ass 7 players

[kindred lynx]

with the spear and emitter buff, I'll be playing this game forever (until it closes, then I go back to tf2)

[vital pier]

Insanely wealthy

[iron lion]

i mean griefing is part of the strategy i like of this game

[exotic sparrow]

I'd love a new map over new weapons fwiw, I feel like theres going to be too much bloat if they keep adding guns

[nimble kelp]

yeah. its real hard to actually try and make a concrete improvement since you still need to test those suggestions in numbers.

[iron lion]

like giving your vault to a enemy team to make sure you are always through etc

[nimble kelp]

embarks workflow is basically just put any suggestion out there, test the suggestions in quantities, and factor it by elimination from there

[drowsy cradle]

REvolver clone number 6 next season that makes the ranged meta even more cancerous somehow

[vital pier]

And stealing a vault and tossing it across the map for no plug

[rare stag]

guys what is TGM25 pass

[iron lion]

ye i like those things. makes you realy think about your decisions of what to do

[exotic sparrow]

yeah thats the problem with this game's design, the weapons were too intentionally designed to start having this many sidegrades ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Not a problem unless people start begging for new guns when the game doesnt need them

[slate swift]

only thing I actually enjoy about this game now is the gunplay and how shooting/using weapons feel, but that seems so hit or miss now with bad hit detection that I just been playing other games where that isn't an issue. This was my MAIN game for 400hrs of gaming but its gg for me for now.

[iron lion]

i dont realy feel any hitreg issues

[vital pier]

A bit more funny and crazy that i think is acceptable in terms of griefing but if its a team you have been after the whole match it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

[slate swift]

how much are they paying you

[iron lion]

only thing i noticed is lag compensation is quite harsh

where on my screen i dashed away already. but on his screen i was right in front of him

but if i shoot somebody i have not noticed where my crosshair was on them but it missed

[rare stag]

anyone knew that is a TGM25 pass bc its in skins is it leak or something

[slate swift]

record a game at 120fps on OBS and run it back in slow motion

[iron lion]

where are the eu servers located?

amsterdam or frankfurt?

since those are the most commen eu server locations

[vital pier]

#⚡┇the-finals-chat message

Kind of stuff you see no reg wise lol.

[iron lion]

vid wont load

[slate swift]

yeah it ain't playing

[vital pier]

Rip.. worked for me but the screenshot shows what happened lol

[rare stag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1379153246618128549/1438874528972537928/image.png?ex=691877d4&is=69172654&hm=26624c794708cf09f0ed17f4e313ef619f13930880e2003e01c69cd5bfa2f866& anyone know how to get this

[iron lion]

ah servers are located in uk and germany and france so prob london and frankfurt dunno the usual france location

[slate swift]

is that an esports bundle in the shop?

[rare stag]

nah

[iron lion]

that means on 2 of those servers i prob have 10ms or lower

[rare stag]

its in cosmetic u cant buy it

[iron lion]

maybe that helps with the reg

[tender yew]

where is the tgm pass

[torpid echo]

Lol I did almost 400hrs in first three months of the game, that was nearly 2 years ago.

[rare stag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1191428769932652704/1438875924476067840/image.png?ex=69187921&is=691727a1&hm=843c5d1e25847cf6200f2a1d0bf97e970f9391b2be516065c69644d431ba712f& like u can see it and click on it to go to battle pass but goes to a normal one im confused asf

[iron lion]

I know I have like 9 ms to Aws Frankfurt and I think 11 ms on london

[tender yew]

The game has crashed, and terminated with exitcode: -1,073,740,528.

SID: d4bifc2oapakk82qeih0
TID: 5672525202714845899 :((((

vpn time

[vital pier]

How.. that season was so bad that out of like 7-8 people i knew only like 2 still play after season 1

[nimble kelp]

Nah hold on the cooldown increased?

[iron lion]

15s for me

[nimble kelp]

Its 7 minutes

[slate swift]

wait...

[nimble kelp]

Arc

[vital pier]

Yuck arc discord

[slate swift]

I'm buying ARC today is there any reason I shouldn't?

[rare stag]

arc is very good man

[lone thistle]

How much XP should I get to be able to create a vc and how do you even get em 😭

[vital pier]

Im talking about the discord

[slate swift]

-levels

[amber jacinth]

Our leveling system

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[rare stag]

there is no reason to not buying it very good game

[lone thistle]

tnx

[torpid echo]

I mean a lot of bad players quit because this wasn't the game that would make them feel like a pro gamer, for sure.

I had most of December off as well...

Season 1 was a blast... before all the whiny players who felt they were more skilled than they were complained on the discord.

[iron lion]

Oh I finally ranked up so o can create a voice chat

Also why can't I type in some of the voice chats but others I could?

[round needle]

.

[rare stag]

yea the discord is raw

[vital pier]

Any embark discord for atleast the first month of a full release is a actual nightmare to be in.

[torpid echo]

Because of all the crybabies, for sure.

[tender yew]

where is the tgm pass when is the tgm pass who is the tgm pass

[stable plaza]

Why is the tgm pass

[vital pier]

Nukes, defibs, the heavy class uhh the heavy class. Lol jk but balance was anti fun straight up.

[tender yew]

where is most important

[rare stag]

in outfits u can only see it and thats it i think another week

[round citrus]

[torpid echo]

It was anti-fun to bad players and if you experienced cheaters for sure... but regular nukes were more a skill issue on the players behalf. Defibs were easy to deal with. A lot of bad players thought they were skilled and were proven not to be.

[steady nymph]

Hello there chat
How many days left for the BP?

[steady nymph]

Hot take
Old rpg was fine (I main light)

[midnight briar]

Nuhuh

[vital pier]

Defibs instant revived you with full health heal beam was untouched. C4 and rpg erased the light class so skill didnt even exist. Half of top 500 quit after nukes got deleted since they were all dogshit without their crutch lol.

[steady nymph]

chat how many days of this season are left?

[midnight briar]

Imagine winch and old rpg existing at the same time

[neat bobcat]

Bout a month

[vital pier]

🤢

[neat bobcat]

28-30 days left iirc

[torpid echo]

Its not a hot take to skilled players or players who accept their mistakes... I mean you'd see so many complaints from players who felt they could run out in the open and not get shot at... it was really a dumb time

[steady nymph]

shiiii do i got time (halfway, still havent done a ton of weeklies)

[midnight briar]

Mistake = being seen

[tulip forge]

true

[neat bobcat]

For WT? I think prob not unless u are thinking of sealing urself inside ur dom

[steady nymph]

I see rpg being pulled out
I dash
I avoid death
But I'd say the average player wouldnt have that reaction time tho

[vital pier]

Dont worry in season 1 medium had wall hacks lmao

[steady nymph]

for the BP

[midnight briar]

This thing gonna be peak for lik 7-12 months. Hopefully it’ll be better than the new Xbox/ps lines

[torpid echo]

Light class running out in the open in full visibility was the main issue with that... so many lights are brainless in how they play.

Someone gets defibbed you kill them again... if you play in any co-ordinated way its easy to kill someone who is defibbed and the defibber

[vague sonnet]

Vaiiya CEO

[steady nymph]

PLEASE RECOKN SENSE
PLEASE EMBARK I NEED THIS
MY MEDIUM ISNT AS BROKEN ANYMORE
AND I DONT HAVE 4 CHARGES ON DEMAT

[neat bobcat]

it is possible

[vital pier]

Lol

[neat bobcat]

Old FCAR

[steady nymph]

FCAR pre the nerf was a demon

[torpid echo]

Recon was hilarious as so many lights camped invisi on the cap route lanes and got found out. Mobile skilled lights were fine.

[steady nymph]

old stun DB.......WAAAA I WANT THAT BAHAHAHAAAAACK

[tender yew]

wdym in outfits?

[midnight briar]

I wonder if the steam machine will be classified as a pc or Xbox, cus like it’s a lot smaller than my pc so I like it, but if I can’t run kbm and controller in most games then I don’t want it

[steady nymph]

it will have an OS of your choice and kbm i think

[silent berry]

تيم

[steady nymph]

-lfg

[amber jacinth]

<:thefinals:1108025386081714196> LFG CHANNELS

Europe:
#lfg-eu-casual • #1290634115720286209 • #lfg-eu-ranked

North America:
#lfg-na-casual • #1290634275737305190 • #lfg-na-ranked

Asia:
#lfg-asia-casual • #1290634388014633054 • #lfg-asia-ranked

Oceania:
#lfg-oce-casual • #1290634528255246439 • #lfg-oce-ranked

South America:
#lfg-sa-casual • #1290635941211410443 • #lfg-sa-ranked

Go to id:customize to show/hide specific channels.

[vague sonnet]

Thanks

[steady nymph]

I should lowkey be a mod or something, heh

[vague sonnet]

All I can do is

[midnight briar]

Interesting, honestly if pc costs don’t drop I’ll probably buy one (if the new console gens are lacking)

[iron lion]

also how are all those people gettin 200+ fps

[torpid echo]

i mean if the RPG user is seeing the light and has an easy clear shot, is the light not at fault for being spotted given its an ambush class...

The example of running around corners to be nuked was so exaggerated... guess what, dont run around a corner which has high visibility, play steathily

[iron lion]

i have a good pc but i aint gettin 200+

[slate swift]

I optimized the living hell out my pc and I average around 180fps but can def go over 200 sometimes

[iron lion]

i have like 160-180 but i feel like my pc should be able to get more

[midnight briar]

Better systems

[slate swift]

what are your specs?

[flat ore]

Or you know the heavy simply turned around while getting shot at then insta gibbing the light

[obsidian geyser]

id really like to talk to a cm or preferably a dev about not being able to use my thumb buttons to fire my weapon anymore...?

[iron lion]

i have a 7800x3d and a 4070tisuper

[obsidian geyser]

i have my primary fire on my thumb button on my mouse because it feels more stable and now i cant use it after the last update?

[vital pier]

Anyways s1 was ass i go now

[slate swift]

look in to optimizations for the GPU and OS. I don't know how it works for Ryzen CPU's but I increased the TDP on my CPU and saw significant FPS gains from that

[midnight briar]

Used to play ads on mb4

[stable flax]

Are the servers still lagging?

[neat bobcat]

Old CnS was amazing

[iron lion]

i do run 1440p

but still feels like i should get higher

[slate swift]

ahhh I play 1080p, this game is pretty hard to run considering everything that goes on in the game lol.

[hardy idol]

i decided to log on for the first time in a week or so and got shot through a door in my first wt match

[mental elk]

i discovered a bug where it teleports u instantly to the end of the zipline

happened to me in a ranked match so weird

[iron lion]

can you recreate it tho?

[mental elk]

i clipped it but idk how to do it again

[iron lion]

those are hard bugs to fix for devs

[midnight briar]

Not ts again

[iron lion]

if they dont know how it happens

[torpid echo]

I mean the light has to be pretty bad for a heavy to turn around and equip the RPG and then get a killing shot to land... human reaction times + equip changing times...

What you probably mean is a bad light tried attacking a heavy who happened to have the RPG equipped and was aware of them.

[timid peak]

does the XP boost apply to weapon XP?

[mental elk]

i got a video of it

[hollow basalt]

no, just battlepass and player level

[mental elk]

where do i submit it

[iron lion]

no idea

[hollow basalt]

#1201841543926005810

[hollow basalt]

finally, a drink to surpass water

[wooden nexus]

2 years of ospuzin, we have tasted the nectar

[midnight briar]

Nothing beats that ice water from a cone shaped cup after a long run

[nimble kelp]

i find cone shaped cups odd

[hollow basalt]

Im taking an ospuze shower rn

[mental elk]

thanks i posted it

[midnight briar]

[mental elk]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1438884698922418226 check this

[nimble kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/detroit-sweetdude18-windsor-gif-13924619061057944003

[hollow basalt]

this looks like something bruce campbell would star in

[vague sonnet]

👀

[nimble kelp]

nah why u post that. you discovered new movement tech

[slate swift]

yo fr I got on yesterday and it felt like I was playing a fkn moon simulator it felt like I was in slow motion and floating when I would jump and shit

[mental elk]

i tried doing that again like a hundred times doesnt work

[tulip forge]

iv seen that glitch before but i'v never had it happen to me.

[mental elk]

just happened randomly

[hollow basalt]

Oh speaking of glitches im surprised the zipline camera shake bug wasnt fixed this patch

[tender yew]

https://open.spotify.com/track/0HFWS5C6ThNeuOr10Xz21U?si=3425a90948d64acd

[hollow basalt]

Still the performance updates are very noticeable and welcome

[broken moon]

Hey walker, I have a little question here…

Will the finals recognize new steam controller as a controller or as a controller, mouse and keyboard at the same time? Asking this because it has track pads, that replace WASD and mouse

[tender yew]

lock in song if y tryna win ranked

[tulip forge]

this one was very common

[tall verge]

the game has become no reg concentrate

[tulip forge]

especially if you usually place your zipline almost instantly as the game starts

[tall verge]

yes they are very noticable the game lag spikes like shit every 10 seconds now

[iron lion]

i hope nobody finds a way to recreate it

[nimble kelp]

it looks random tbf

[iron lion]

or if they do they keep it secret and send it to devs because if this becomes commen knowledge how to do the devs need to be fast

[slate swift]

I have a feeling some of The Finals servers were re-allocated for ARC Raiders, idk man but the shittery of The Finals servers has been 5x since ARC

[mental elk]

i literally have no idea how it happened, just happened randomly

[iron lion]

ye it could be a little lag spike or something

with a packet that got screwed or anything

[tulip forge]

i can't prove it but it seems they share server capacity
since arc released, most games have this icon in yellow

[iron lion]

i mean they are obv on the same datacenter

[vague sonnet]

I don't have such info atm. There will probably be more info before the hardware drops

[slate swift]

Yeah this was my thought too, it makes sense really, hopefully with all the bread Embark makes from ARC they can expand server capacity.

[iron lion]

since it is the same company

[torpid echo]

I've found S8 to be largely very stable bar a brief period of day, maybe its peoples own connections that are contributing to their lag issues

[covert flax]

"dedicated" servers btw

[broken moon]

Oki, I hope this new controller will be compatible with consoles though 😭

[sterile fulcrum]

who plays on xbox

[slate swift]

1gb download 20 ping ethernet... tested DURING the issues I was experiencing

[lofty anchor]

@flat ore it was my stick drift that kept me from finishing my emotes

[tulip forge]

https://id.embark.games/the-finals/support/faq/46-in-game-warning-icons

i mean i don't usually see the other icons.
just the server performance one in most games.
they even say it's out of your control.

[torpid echo]

I mean I thought the game was having lag issues then I found out my lady had switched the sound bar to bluetooth and that was causing all the lag as it impacted the TV by being connected

[iron lion]

ye if you get the server icon posted above it has nothing to do with your inet

[smoky raft]

Ngl 14 days for the next set of Pop Off contracts is crazy

[slate swift]

if on wifi that might make sense but bluetooth wouldn't affect ethernet connection

[lofty anchor]

the final reward better be cool

[hasty nest]

Do it embark, make the rocket launcher deal 150 damage on direct impact.

[lofty anchor]

does it not already do 150 direct?

[iron lion]

if you on wifi you are handicapping yourself to begin with

[sterile fulcrum]

as if the light class wasnt unplayable enough already

[torpid echo]

It affected the TV as the connection from the TV to the console involved the soundbar... normally I had it on wired but switching to bluetooth affected it, I kid you not... it was visual lag, not internet lag

[iron lion]

so many ways other things can interfere with your connection

[tulip forge]

that doesn't make any sense.

[smoky raft]

It's the fizzy effect, probably not worth it for me but it's the first free effect in the game

[glacial zephyr]

The final reward for the second page seems to be an effect for your contestant no?

[lofty anchor]

sum like that

[hasty nest]

Yes. I want it worse for all light players including me. I’m an annoying little shit.

[slate swift]

oh I thought you meant internet connection lol

[lofty anchor]

gross

[lone osprey]

NEW UPDATE

[glacial zephyr]

I really like the M11 skin
The tin can for the muzzle is stupid funny

[hasty nest]

This is correct I’d say if you’re not playing on the servers closest to you.

[torpid echo]

Maybe you need to read up on bluetooth sound bars and TVs when connected to consoles, it causes visual lag (i.e. TV), not internet connection lag... visual lag can look like rubber banding and also playing in treacle slow responses

[midnight briar]

“Oh wow our games doing better than we thought, bring in the trash games servers to help” was definitely said

[tulip forge]

i mean maybe, but it doesnt really make any sense why that would happen.

[lone osprey]

That was not said

[glacial zephyr]

Me The Finals and Packet Loss have a great relationship every match to the point it's blood

[midnight briar]

Uh oh, Dustys appeared

[iron lion]

packet loss is almost always your own connection tho

[torpid echo]

You probably should read up a bit more... it was pretty easy to google when I looked up the problem of why is my TV lagging and bluetooth soundbar came up as the issue and I noticed she had switched from wired as primary connection to bluetooth

[glacial zephyr]

We are getting slimed ✌️

[iron lion]

not always your fault. but it is your route to the server

[midnight briar]

The packet loss on my 1gb up and down connection

[tulip forge]

ill take your word for it
i don't use a bluetooth sound bar or own a console for that matter

[nocturne goblet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1438577825564328056/OSCAR_LOOKS_AT_YOU.gif

[iron lion]

i said not always your fault it could be a faulty node that your connection travels through

[midnight briar]

I beat u in the arc server with my

[lone osprey]

Is the creative director in the server

[iron lion]

wich is outside of embarks network and outside of your own

[nocturne goblet]

[delicate crypt]

Just Xbox players?

[torpid echo]

It would impact PC as well... don't ever use bluetooth mode on a soundbar... if your TV connection is involved... I only use wired, but some soundbars have multiple modes

[glacial zephyr]

A very odd thing that happens when I play is that the first match will always be lag horror packet loss ping server jitter everything in the book
But after that first match it just stabilizes very odd and I will never know why this happens

[midnight briar]

Do u happen to have the green screen photo of Oscar pointing a gun at thixxy? I accidentally purged it with some of my photos

[iron lion]

that is weird

[nocturne goblet]

ooof im not sure.. but I'm sure it's possible to find it

[tall verge]

it's not just xbox

[torpid echo]

True... but thats a truth people don't want to hear

[midnight briar]

Alright, worth a shot. The great chat scrolling must happen

[glacial zephyr]

Last week I didn't have this issue at all
But now it's back but it's definitely not as bad as before so I'm not that bothered

[delicate crypt]

That’s what I’m saying

[bright island]

Def not. But do remember that the demand on servers for each game is very different. THE FINALS uses server-side movement, something never done before in this way, and that comes with a lot of new things to solve. This is what makes the destruction in the game work, let's you fight other people live in a tumbling building. We knew this was a risk but it's a technical challenge that we took on in order to make THE FINALS. It means lots of surprises along the way, much more complicated fixes, very expensive server costs... and what we think is a pretty unique and fun gaming experience!

[midnight briar]

Bring back duo nades just for me pls

[iron lion]

same reason why some of those gaming vpns work. when i played a game on a chinese server. me using and not using a 'vpn' would be the difference of 150ping or 300 ping

just because the route to it would be changed and i avoided certain nodes

[elfin jewel]

the sole good part about kyoto
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1437066532722180188/1438888793649315900/see_ya_later_losers.mp4?ex=6918851d&is=6917339d&hm=64af32c1d112b720f711679459e1de6eeb13eb9052dad88b4105b6cd85cabbd0&

[glacial zephyr]

Fellas since Heavy has 4 specs with medium and light having 3 what would your ideas be for a new spec for light and medium

[merry fulcrum]

#game-announcements message

I knew I wasn’t going crazy

[lone osprey]

How to obtain a job

[tulip forge]

https://tenor.com/view/job-job-application-jobless-gif-2757097081210871087

[glacial zephyr]

Woah there mate careful with that word around here

[blazing perch]

Pretend you don’t want the job

[raw quartz]

@merry fulcrum literally losing my mind yesterday, crazy that I still continued to play like that and win 3 games

[smoky raft]

They should just make a weapon that sucks, that way they can nerf it every couple patches
Oh wait, dagger exists

[torpid echo]

Be highly skilled at gaming and don't touch grass and employers will throw themselves at you

[lone osprey]

Red x

[delicate raptor]

Bro's gettin rejected 20 times in a row

[glacial zephyr]

Spear also exists

[lone osprey]

Dagger needs nerfs

[smoky raft]

Like the DC villain?

[midnight briar]

Just start working somewhere, they’ll think you are employed and give you money

[tulip forge]

most people apply to like a few hundred jobs before even landing an interview apparently

[merry fulcrum]

The delay for the shots was crazy

[delicate raptor]

Yeah. I had to ask like 10 different people before I finally got someone who followed through

[grim raft]

every where i look
i see it...

[cloud dock]

Anyone experiencing the money bug/glitch were a team gets tons of cash without cashing in or kills

[glacial zephyr]

I've seen people apply for like thousands and have a whole excel spreadsheet just to have like 2 or 3 interviews

[orchid ginkgo]

Cornball loadout. I go turret, AK-47, frag, pyro and defib

[trim fox]

Quick off topic question, I'm new to the game and idk my region, how do I see that?

[cloud dock]

I was like 2nd place in the game and suddenly one team shot up without any cash ins wtf

[delicate raptor]

I wish that wasn't the go to loadout

[raw quartz]

Since arc raiders has been out i feel like the que to join in matches is so long

[tall verge]

before update: 32 elims per match average
after update: 8

[delicate crypt]

Teleportation for light. You only get one but it goes through walls

[glacial zephyr]

All of my circuit contracts are 6/7

[iron lion]

wdym you dont know your region? you know where you live no?

[cloud dock]

It happened like 10 times since yesterday

[vivid lily]

https://tenor.com/view/csgo-ace-pistol-plays-tv-plays-tv-gi-fs-gif-8981662

[trim fox]

I mean yeah, but normally I'm in na east and I live pretty much in south America so ot gets confusinf

[glacial zephyr]

What about medium? Medium is just so lackluster that I actually can't think of any specs for it

[tulip forge]

i feel like alot of online listings you see aren't even followed up on.

or they are only there so the company can look like they are hiring to get tax benefits from the government

[onyx dew]

The xbox hotpatch... Bruh I was getting MAD stutters while clambering.

[subtle dove]

Has anyone seen the in game rewards for being in person for the majors? Will there be a way to get them via twitch drops or no?

[glacial zephyr]

I don't think so

Hope they have a separate set of rewards for us watching through lives

[grand brook]

What texture quality setting is best for 6gb vram?

[subtle dove]

Yeah the rewards look so good but I can't be in Sweden at that time 🙁

[raw quartz]

7mins to load into a match is diabolical, that's a whole clash royal match

[grim raft]

that's why you aint swag like me

[glacial zephyr]

I'd have to sell a kidney to get to Sweden so yeah can't do that

[iron lion]

there are servers in south america but depending wich part of south america you live NA might be better

[grim raft]

yeah I hate the model meta... 🥀

[iron lion]

oh dam the eu servers are in differend places than i first thought

[grim raft]

https://tenor.com/view/true-morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-gifs-coyote-gif-18252538143607713897

[orchid ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1405300707657257000/lowkd.gif

[iron lion]

i have legit almost lan ping on some of the EU servers

[glacial zephyr]

I hope The Grand Major gives The Finals the recognition it deserves I need more people to see this game

[grim raft]

https://imgur.com/fw94Eek

[iron lion]

amsterdam and brussels means on those s ervers i will prob have 5-8ms

[nimble kelp]

welp thats our answer

[trim fox]

Thanks, I checked a map and indeed na is way closer than south america

[onyx dew]

If people make content about it.

[glacial zephyr]

Each time I see any Cs gameplay it's always about Agartha being in Danger

[iron lion]

Closer isn't always better tho depending on the routing

[nimble kelp]

for a moment i thought he was gonna call in a care package

[delicate crypt]

They are a generalist class so honestly they could get so much shit. Honestly something like a ghost walk would be fun. Like they get invulnerability, but they also can’t shoot, however they can disable mines and turrets.

[iron lion]

But from your words I reckon you live in central americ

[shrewd hazel]

Where can I find extensive information and or ask questions about the Stockholm dreamhack for the finals? I’m wondering if there will be a meet and greet type deal for the teams and also if the finals will have merch there.

[iron lion]

Dreamhack is just a big ass Lan party

[shrewd hazel]

Yeah gonna be a lot of other esports going on

[iron lion]

It even has a amateur section

[glacial zephyr]

I personally think Data reshaper shouldn't be a gadget and instead a spec but with more strength and charges how do you do that? Idk man

[iron lion]

Or it used to

[floral vapor]

I want to ask why there is no Chinese flag in the national flag decoration, but there is one in the game

[tulip forge]

i feel like it'd see even less use as a spec

[glacial zephyr]

Because we have The Chinals

[shrewd hazel]

My friend suggested being able to reshape a dome shield

[iron lion]

I 'almost' went once to dreamhack

[delicate crypt]

That’s fair but it’s also really only good against other mediums 9 times out of 10

[mortal merlin]

Wait PC players also have latency issues

[delicate crypt]

It’s everyone

[glacial zephyr]

Lights being able to stick to walls would be a funny spec instead of being an annoying fly it'll be a goddamn gecko

[prime rapids]

Hi, I'm new it this game and I have a question

I have ps5 subscription and I get free pack I ps store but when I go in the game I didn't get that
What I supposed to do

[tulip forge]

hit reg has been a little off iv noticed

[grim raft]

charlie kirk telling me that im the best player and need to keep agarthas gates closed from infidels by clutching up

[vagrant urchin]

anyone else bought the new pass and doesnt have access to the good in it?

[delicate crypt]

Actually that would be fucking amazing lmao

[glacial zephyr]

And Yakub giving you white monster energy drinks

[vagrant urchin]

oh nvm

[delicate raptor]

I thought I was losing my mind bro

[prime rapids]

?

[brisk island]

TGM29 Pass?

How to unlock stufff

[delicate crypt]

I still want lights to get a dual wield auto weapon like UZI’s that instead of ADS they just start fucking spinning around shooting everywhere until the mags are empty.

[shrewd hazel]

I want a new movement tech or spec for next season something big something new

[grim raft]

he could have

[delicate raptor]

It should automatically give it to you when opening the game. Try reopening it a few times and if it still doesn't work, maybe contact support?

[shrewd hazel]

Like starlord ability ?

[tulip forge]

jump pack would be a nice addition to medium

[grim raft]

we might have the same feed :D

[hybrid bloom]

ive got the same issue where od i contCT SUPPORT?

[delicate raptor]

Holy jibber jabberin, Grandpa

[glacial zephyr]

The very odd plays that could happen if it was the only spec that didn't disable vanishing bomb when it is being used

[shrewd hazel]

Relax bro one bad person doesn’t make them all bad, their life choices have never affected me

[delicate crypt]

Exactly

[tulip forge]

this isn't the place lol

[nimble kelp]

@bitter bronze smite theeee

[glacial zephyr]

I don't think this is very contestant of you

[tulip forge]

lol]

[delicate crypt]

Yeah that would be the key factor. It would absolutely require vanish bomb.

[shrewd hazel]

I have a trans friend and they never forcefully put their ideas into my head or tried to prove to me their way of life is better. They keep to themselves and live their life like the rest of us

[raw quartz]

Yall know this a game chat right?

[ancient raptor]

hey man im sorry but we're gonna stop you right here

[delicate raptor]

TGM25 pack is straight garbage 😭

[hybrid bloom]

where do i contact support?

[tulip forge]

brand new account aswel

[raw quartz]

No politics please, hear it everyday

[lucid prawn]

anyway i can get to contact embark for the game's availability in Syria?

[ancient raptor]

💔💔💔

[slate swift]

I appreciate this response, thank you! Is there any reason there might have been a spike in issues yesterday and the day before? I was having a really tough time moving around things felt very strange and floaty to say the very least. I do think this game and what you guys have done with it is a truly unique experience but when it functions as it was for the past couple of days its hard to enjoy that experience as intended.

I appreciate all the work you guys put in and hope you guys plan to put more work in to this game as I truly believe it is the most revolutionary game in recent times as it pertains to FPS shooters. I think with more polish to the servers and focus on performance this game would see a sizeable bump in players. Maybe a performance mode with dumbed down graphics and VFX similar to what Fortnite does would help this game become more accessible to people on lower end hardware, just an idea🤷‍♂️

[brisk island]

Anyone know where are the contracts for TGM29 pass? Or you unlock them just by playing?

[tulip forge]

performance has been really all over the place the last week

[shrewd hazel]

many fps games say they are similar to game X and Y or it’s just like game Z the Finals is THE FINALS

[glacial zephyr]

If you could steal a Cashout while you are "Wall climbed" onto the cashout would kinda make it a viable spec ngl

[glacial zephyr]

Me when I get my daily dose of Dynamism

[gleaming moss]

my game went from running like trash to running very smooth again on last patch, minus a singular stutter i had that lasted like 3 seconds

[tulip forge]

most games im getting the regular 90-110fps
but others are like 60-70 with no seeming reason for it
temps are fine, cpu usage is 100% but it's always at 100%.

some matches are way more cpu demanding then others
which can make sense cause every game is different but im even talking like from the start of the match it's hard locked to 60-70
and others it's the regular 90-110fps i get.

[shrewd hazel]

Yo imagine heavy could pick up the cashout and walk with it as a gadget and they are as slow as a minigun being spun up speed

[barren pagoda]

It's been pretty consistent to me not I always get over 120 fps with my settings

[brazen mural]

Heavy riot shield without the riot

[glacial zephyr]

That sounds so stupid but it also feels like something that would happen in The Finals

[glacial zephyr]

So heavy with just shield?

[shrewd hazel]

They wouldn’t be able to steal but like they could relocate it to a really good spot as a gadget

[brazen mural]

yurp

[tulip forge]

heavy being able to pick up the cashout makes sense but would be a useless spec because winch is a thing

[shrewd hazel]

That’s why it would be a gadget

[brazen mural]

What if heavy could also throw cashout

[gleaming moss]

agaiin... winch

[tulip forge]

that would make it abit more useful

[onyx dew]

What if you could spend cashout money to activate events.

[shrewd hazel]

Still wouldn’t be viable it needs to be a gadget for it to be valuable

[glacial zephyr]

Charge n slam buff where if you run straight into a Cashout the heavy just grabs and throws it

[gleaming moss]

its almost like removing winch from the game would open the gateway to a ton of different playstyles, but nope

[slate swift]

I agree and think that's what makes this game so appealing to me, but from a competitive gamers perspective that isn't enough to pull me away from games where things feel more polished. In other games when I lose or die I can clearly see why I did which allows me to improve on those things and become better the next time around. When I'm dying because my movement is inconsistent, my bullets aren't registering, or other factors out of my control, it makes that process much harder if not impossible. I can't improve on things that are out of my control🤷‍♂️

[tulip forge]

winch is literally in its own tier
it's meta knight from brawl tier

[glacial zephyr]

Once winch is gone people will just switch to Goo gun tbh

[shrewd hazel]

Yeah let’s keep winch not trying to get goo stalled by a triple heavy team

[delicate crypt]

Instead classes getting weapons for a season they should all just get unarmed attacks lol

[gleaming moss]

its not just about what heavy is playing
all lights are playing dash because of winch existing
(+ invis being garbage, same for grapple)

[orchid ginkgo]

Imma play Fortnite

[glacial zephyr]

Yeah Goo gun Flamethrower Heavys are infact very terrifying

[tulip forge]

grapple has one use
snipers

[lilac oriole]

Lie

[shrewd hazel]

Could make it a new spec where you can move cashout like the original idea but then your melee is 50 damage per hit and just call it Enhanced Strength

[gleaming moss]

so, useless then

[delicate crypt]

Yeah idk why people complain about dash when it’s basically the only viable specialization for light.

[slate swift]

I think winch would be much more tolerable and actually cool if there was a way to parry it. Like if for a very short window you could click a certain key to deflect the winch or something of the sort.

[tulip forge]

truth

[glacial zephyr]

Grapple needs a serious rework it should work more like cloak's cooldown which depends on distance instead of being a one time use with a long cooldown no matter the distance

[onyx dew]

You could play battlefields Gauntlet mode. Its literally the finals without destruction.

[lucid prawn]

where can i contact embark for the game's availability in Syria ????

[shrewd hazel]

Yeah it’s essentially a guaranteed kill on a light or even a medium with a in sync team

[tulip forge]

is the game not available there?

[lilac oriole]

U clearly never watched Neon Gutz

[gleaming moss]

yeah idk, it needs something.

[tulip forge]

yeah no idea what or who that is

[shrewd hazel]

Maybe a way to convert it whenever you want to make it an actual zip line instead of just grappling for your self to help your team rotate

[lucid prawn]

no its not, unless i use a VPN
even though the sanctions got lifted and games like League and Valorant are available without VPN

[glacial zephyr]

Cloak is kinda usable in the current season due to Thermal vision being out and Prox sensors and sonar grenades aren't that valuable but you have to be more patient with the gameplay since you can't move around like a dash light

[orchid ginkgo]

One of my friends on Steam invited me to the Deadlock playtest, I dunno if I wanna play though since I don't have much experience with MOBAs but it seems rude not to oblige either

[past ginkgo]

I’d like to live in Syria if it means league and valorant are banned

[shrewd hazel]

Yeah it’s corny but it works and good for new players

[gleaming moss]

i know about cloak, since i never switched to dash like everyone else

[onyx dew]

Try #📧┇contact-us message

[grim raft]

finally did it

[lucid prawn]

lmao too late for you ig they're back again

[gleaming moss]

cloak is nice in first 2 rounds until u are vs triple ruby team in discord in final

[glacial zephyr]

Light is sort of a Selfish class that depends heavily on its skills on keeping itself alive so giving it team util I don't know if it's a good idea or a bad idea

[delicate crypt]

S1 cloak and DB toxicity lol

[orchid ginkgo]

How you playing this game if you in Syria. I met a few guys from Syria back in the 2010s and they say that most of the country has lost the internet and even electricity and they from the big cities of Aleppo or Damascus too

[gleaming moss]

good times (kinda)

[shrewd hazel]

I played in a tourney against Brendy and Kipkip and every teams light was on dash that’s when I knew to switch

[lucid prawn]

lmfao bro ive got fiber optics 😭
but yeah you're right the country is over

[idle rover]

Good morning

[glacial zephyr]

I'm at Diamond 4 rn do you think I can make it to Emerald 1❤️‍🩹

[lucid prawn]

but i'm playing the finals with a vpn

[mellow locust]

arc raiders is killing the finals

[gleaming moss]

yea dash is nice if u have a 3man, but if u queue with randoms, cloak can often be more useful to be in position to stop the steal, since i cant rely on my randoms

[hybrid bloom]

this is just on steam though

[orchid ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/we-do-not-care-dont-care-didnt-ask-shut-up-gif-19679884

[scarlet dock]

TGM25 pass is out-can I finish it after s8 ended? it said I can preserve it after purchased.

[onyx dew]

The buying builds aspect of MOBA's intimidates me, but I'm sure you'll have a blast despite that. It's got good movement and the team push and pull tension is probably great.

[tulip forge]

arc took about 5k daily from the finals.
less then i assumed it would. game is still doing fine.

[delicate crypt]

The weirdest change I had to make when I switched to dash was making my sprint F and dash Shift.

[lucid prawn]

i just want to contact embark to remove the ban on Syria, so please can someone offer me some guidance

[lucid prawn]

maybe that was their plan all along? embark conspiracy????????😱😱😱

[grim raft]

yeah
just need to winner

[past ginkgo]

You should go to the president and tell him to do something about this

[vivid lily]

Those are like the exact same numbers before arc raiders

[shrewd hazel]

I do a weird finger technique to dash and shoot at the same time on controller I made a video on it if you really want to see how