discord-feedback

[fading plank]

I'm a friend that gets sent tiktoks and instagrams constantly and I'm asking you to stop, when it doesn't embed it's so annoying to click it

[zinc jay]

it also feels like the mods seem to assume this server is some major hub of en ffxiv which just isnt true. people aren't going to be quitting twt in droves bc of this

this server is not self sustaining in that regard

[autumn fjord]

psst the redirect embed link for tiktok .com is "tnktok .com". spread the word.
but yeah you don't need accounts to view the content, but you do need an account to search content. which will happen if people are trying to reshare artwork they saw here posted without a link

[ornate pelican]

!mute @sweet badge 24h Political posting

[ancient gale]

Success!

@sweet badge has been muted by @ornate pelican for 1 day!

[fading plank]

bless you

[zinc jay]

which means you view ads and premium accounts and therefore give muskrat money and contribute to site stats. thus this decision in a way actually supports twt's owner

[fading plank]

oh it's happened, somebody got muted for a whole day for breaching a political subject after a politically motivated rule was put in place
can't wait to get muted for that next

[pallid owl]

which, again, has been said for three days

intent and effect are two different things!! I can't believe this even has to be explained

[short sail]

Moderators making politically motivated decisions and then muting people for discussing the political implications of those political decisions.
Huh.

[median mantle]

I'd hope most people would use ublock origin by now to block ads but yeah

[zinc jay]

doesnt mean a thing if youre on mobile.

[fading plank]

I think we just talked about how warnings aren't given anymore, now you get slammed for a whole day instead of 6 hours without warning

[median mantle]

Firefox Mobile does have ublock origin so I'd highly recommend using that, it's just the Google ecosystem that doesn't have ad block support on mobile for obvious reasons

[misty temple]

but the warnings were *wild hand gestures* right there

[fading plank]

I can't see them can u please ||hold my hand|| and show me the way

[pallid owl]

be careful valcors, wild hand gestures are what got us here in the first place 💀

[plucky niche]

ok now this is actually funny

[boreal quarry]

I have zero to add to this conversation, I’m just eating popcorn and reading but this made me giggle. That is all 👋

[fading plank]

this fucking killed me I think I popped something from how hard I held that wheeze in
this whole fiasco was worth it for this comment holy shit let me crown you

[pallid owl]

I try

[onyx shale]

It's a classic "yeah you can discuss this, but really don't discuss this" moment

[mighty fossil]

this deals with the issue of this, now there'd be actual benefits instead of this circleback into actually going into twitter

despite the fact we've discussed this yesterday, with the supposed adamant stance on prohibiting redirects as well, i now scry information from the source by an image that is going into twitter when it could just be discord to begin with

[orchid briar]

Insane statement man 😭

[plucky niche]

like discussing the twitter ban, but we won't discuss the twitter ban!

[short sail]

It was when… checks notes.. we got told that we were only allowed to complain about the decision to deaf ears instead of actually discussing the implications it’s founded on

[onyx shale]

clearly the twitter ban isn't politically motivated due to a certain dbag's behaviour, because that'll be a clear violation of this server's rules.

[fading plank]

I can see the future... Mmm... Yes.... a mod will come and tell us off for misinterpreting the mute... and put a longer slowmode... and remove reacts... and maybe mute me too... ooo...

[onyx shale]

Bring back the 6h slow mode so I can sleep

[pallid owl]

[fading plank]

the fact this survived a 6 hour slowmode is very telling to be honest

[short sail]

Unfortunately the message was too political, you have to understand. Since boycotting twitter is a more agreeable opinion to the moderation team, it isn’t actually political

[plucky niche]

Also I'd like to check with the mod team. Do they realise that that message didn't say 'lefties bad'?

[fading plank]

I was gonna make a funny and say that "it's not political bc the rat isn't a politician", but I don't know if that isn't actually the case...

[short sail]

I’ve already given this feedback before in a much more long winded form. However, once again, the moderation team needs to take multiple steps back and reconsider how they approach dealing with this community as a whole

[meager sluice]

i'm confused on why that person got muted when he didn't say anything particularly bad or political.

edit: oh. it was deleted

[zinc jay]

agreed. they clearly cannot functionally act as the Invisible Hand with little community engagement.

[short sail]

It was deleted when they got muted

[plucky niche]

I saw it, I think it was much more likely that their sentence was misread in the heat of the moment

[zinc jay]

"this isnt a democracy" the mods say and yet, many do not use public facing channels. at least not in the section of this server that is the focus of discussion.

[fading plank]

It was there for a few seconds and got annihilated
"We internally discuss punishments" btw

[orchid briar]

Hi discord user clempt cheeks

[misty temple]

it’s okay if you’re the owner though you get free rein to do anything you want

[zinc jay]

i will continue to reiterate my feeling that ~20 something mods cannot by any means act in the best interest of a 250k user server if half of them barely interact in the primary, dedicated section of the server much at all. that just isnt logical.

[meager sluice]

i am reminded of checks and balances.

[empty arrow]

This was decided by an 87 person poll lmfao

[fading plank]

I will not forget our fallen soldier
Shot in the leg without question for interacting with an issue staff gave us.

[zinc jay]

to be clear it was decided long before that, apparently, but the poll happened just because we did what we're doing now lol

[meager sluice]

let's be real. it was decided before that. the poll was a faux olive branch to appease the masses, and when they got results they liked, they posted them. the ban was going to go through anyway.

[empty arrow]

Oh really? Not surprising

[plucky niche]

so realistically it went from a two-dozen people echo chamber of individuals who mostly don't have a community presence, to 87 possibly-users. something of an improvement.

[long cedar]

No. It was already decided beforehand, the poll was to add further justification

[fading plank]

Yeah, if only it had been 87 people. We didn't even get that much.
They told us the decision was final when the first few messages of feedback dropped in this channel. Several times. No budging.
The form came much later, in a channel people hardly check and can't get pinged for, and even still half of it was decidedly against.

[meager sluice]

the poll was also hidden in a feedback form, for the record.

[fading plank]

They weren't even intending to gather feedback at all, which we were told several times. They've since """course corrected""" to taking feedback... IF you are in favour of the ban. If you aren't? Well that's cute but that's not an option they're considering.
It's either "I agree, also consider this", and "I agree A LOT!"

[median mantle]

#discord-feedback message

the poll was meant to potentially change some details of the implementation of the ban, not the decision to ban itself

[short sail]

They have said already that the poll was to get an idea of which side the person giving feedback was on.
Why they then posted the results as if they were actually planning to use that information? God only knows

[fading plank]

Same reason they wrote that the ffxiv art community is largely on bsky when it isn't.
It sounds better, even if it's wrong.

[zinc jay]

silence speaking volumes rn

[rigid fern]

Can we stop spreading information about this "poll"?

The results that were posted were INITIAL RESULTS to show how the community was feeling at the time. They came from a FEEDBACK form, that is still open. Everyone can still go send their feedback.

The feedback form was never intended as a poll to make the decision, it was made so that people could express how they feel. It gave an anonymous way to respond without having to do so in this chat.

Which honestly is great because you 10 people that have said the same thing over and over for 3 days shut down most people's comments that aren't in agreement. (:

[silent flower]

You yell at them when they are here. You yell at them when they aren’t. The mob has gotten their torches and pitchforks and will not be satisfied until it all burns down

[plucky niche]

I'd hope the silence is so a response worthy of respect can be written up

Though I'm more thinking it's the 'pint at the winchester and wait for it all to blow over' strategy adopted by oligarchs everywhere

[fading plank]

Make politically motivated rule
Mute user without talking to the team (as they say they do) for 24h (when it's usually 6 to 12) for speaking about the politically motivated rule
Leave without elaborating

[vivid maple]

May I ask if any other Final Fantasy XIV Discord servers have implemented a ban on Twitter/X?

[empty arrow]

Well the Reddit is and that’s okay (they are owned by the same people)

[sudden storm]

Wait let me rephrase back? What is a feedback? Isn't what you said more closely towards to "confession"

[shy kiln]

I have checked :
-Centurio hunt
-the different field op servers on NA DCs
-the blue mage academy
None of it are banned there.

[vivid maple]

Got it. Thanks for your response!

[fading plank]

Speaking for the major EU discords (which are linked here), no.

[zinc jay]

ffxivdiscussion banned them too (they were banned already)

[plucky niche]

The form was posted after the server owner said feedback will not be considered

since then, the moderation team has made clear feedback is only possible if you agree with them

if you agree with the ban, that's fine. the issue WE have is the horrendously immature administration

[short sail]

You are 100% correct that people have been spreading false information about the intention of the ban.
That said, the reason people are confused is because they posted the results of the question after 31 hours on a Friday as if to show that those 87 people’s 52% support was already proof of their correctness. They had no reason to post it if it was purely indented to flavor their feedback form, and that fact has confused a lot of people

[zinc jay]

the mod team was intentionally (?) vague about the poll, initially pitching it as feedback collection and then posting the results as if they were going off what people voted for when we had been told it would happen no matter what

[fading plank]

Pretty much. If it was a form to collect feedback on how to proceed with the ban (not if), then showing who is and isn't in favour of it after a very short amount of time genuinely makes no sense.

[frosty edge]

I think we're dragging this on way to long, been reading since day one ,but I'll give my two cents. This ban is a bad idea yea it doesn't affect me at all but it's really their choice, they own and mod be the server they can pick and choose what they please. Now I would agree and saying this was a political move from beginning and they run the discord based on their agendas, but that's just how it is. It's hard to make everyone happy on both sides of anything and sure a real poll that went on a bit would have been better.I feel like a lot of us never said anything on this feed before is probably of fear of a mute or ban since it's already heavily moderated on certain topics. I know it's been addressed already and since people have apologized but I don't need to be called a Nazi for using a social media platform that's just bad taste. I'm not hear trying to stir the pot more or sound mean but it's just how it is. Don't mute me plzzzz

[fading plank]

Don't worry, if you get muted we'll remember you

[zinc jay]

we will have a memorial in your honor, soldier

[median mantle]

The Balance discord with almost 500k users hasn't and neither has the mare discord with almost 200k users (those two are the biggest xiv discords I'm in minus this one)

[sudden storm]

If our Moderators and Admins forward this decision no matter what and the die is cast, then I would also want to request YOU provide as much as any resources or helpful links or add-ons or programs to help users in #art particular to find their artists on Bluesky when posting Twitter link is no longer an option, the users in #endgame-lounge post Pastepin strat or YouTube videos at best. Experimenting them for a month at least, gather the feedback after 1 month of implantation and decide the next course of action. May your pre-written personas guide you to inner peace.

[empty arrow]

The large amounts of KR and JP artist that don’t use bluesky

[zinc jay]

simply repost without credit against their wishes

[sudden storm]

Then I will let them see aftermath. Seeing is believing. Let the train go vroom vroom. ( Them is Moderators)

[fading plank]

They won't see it because they don't check the Discord that often

[empty arrow]

Simply make it harder for people to follow them easy

[next oar]

I must reiterate since I want a fair discussion, but for JP artists you have pixiv (https://www.pixiv.net/)
Man that's a big embed

[fading plank]

pixiv is good (there's AI art and... very bad nsfw, but you can filter it out luckily)

[shy kiln]

i would like to differ for some moderators that are very active,
Some did not talk about the issue that is happening right there
but you can see ivyrella on beginner lounge,
djura in the video games channel,
chiaki in the general/beginner lounge
just to name a few

[turbid kayak]

AI art is difficult to moderate

[next oar]

Although this website is more like youtube, not a live feed like instagram/twitter. you have to subscribe to artist
You can filter out AI art since there is a very specific tag for it
NSFW is just what it is when it comes to art website, filtering out #R-18 does the trick usually

[fading plank]

Sorry I should be more clear that this is directed at the admins

[zinc jay]

Yes, that is the point that some are active, a lot are not. a lot are especially inactive in the ffxiv category

[mighty fossil]

...there's a site that has moderated AI art surprisingly efficiently but i can't say it

pixiv has a category for it

[fading plank]

yes, I'm sure. I mean they tag it so it might not be, but that's besides the point. I just said there's a filter for it, I'm not speaking against pixiv. I use it quite a bit.

[empty arrow]

Also can they actually moderate the screenshots channel

[mighty fossil]

there's no rule against ai art unless there's a change, i am somewhat annoyed at looking at ai art but they technically can be classified as filters

[fading plank]

I don't think anyone's talking about ai art here

[empty arrow]

There’s been more and more modded screenshots that break the must look like ff14 rule

[mighty fossil]

isn't it towards the screenshot channel

it's a lot different since filters are commonly used

[fading plank]

oh, like the ones where ppl put ai filters over their WoLs?
those look kinda weird idk

[meager sluice]

you made me take a peek in that channel and now i'm sad.

[empty arrow]

Okay so what’s the alternative for videos? I can’t download Twitter clips because I don’t premium and links to them don’t work

[round gull]

https://cobalt.tools/ works but its a hassle

[empty arrow]

Respectfully I’m not gonna go through that everytime especially weeks/months from now

[long cedar]

I use the Media Harvest browser extension. Literally adds a download button next to the share one

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/media-harvest-twitter-med/hpcgabhdlnapolkkjpejieegfpehfdok?hl=en

[empty arrow]

Mobile..

[long cedar]

Oh rip

[long ridge]

Wonder how long it'll be before people start to paste links to The Balance discord comments where a Twitter link has been posted or is being discussed, since that would fall under what would be allowed at least per previous mod responses to that clarification (re: linking to guides/documents/discussions that have twitter links in them)

At that point may as well just move the discussion there

[empty arrow]

In practice this change doesn’t work well I’m gonna be honest

[autumn fjord]

i think that’s intentional

[heady inlet]

what is this "the balance" thing, I searched the community finder on discord but couldn't find anything

[zinc jay]

https://discord.gg/thebalanceffxiv

[little spire]

Endgame XIV combat stuff. It's full of nerds who work out rotations etc

[heady inlet]

oh awesome thank you

[zinc jay]

said this the other day myself. the sheer inconvenience/hoops you have to jump through here will just make people move to the balance or other servers where this rule does not exist

[empty arrow]

Fighting game link I shared to other servers just fine but I get here and have to screenshot a multi post thread and flood the chat

And they want people to put up with that for how long lol

[zinc jay]

for good i guess lol

[empty arrow]

And once again the change just harms all the wrong people

[plucky niche]

I notice the staff presence in here has gone way down again. I get that it's shit, and I get that y'all are allowed to do other things sometimes, but should we be getting the impression that you're working on making this right, or that you don't give a damn?

[empty arrow]

Okay tbf im sure the staff have actual day jobs and will come back when they can lol

[fading plank]

I mean they aren't working on it
For them the show's over, if your feedback isn't "The ban can stay, plus consider this" then they won't do anything with it.

Atp my feedback is becoming less about the ban (you know it's bad, you just can't admit it) and more about how the moderation quality is deep inside the toilet.
Unexplained 24h mute no warning on topic being one of em.

[plucky niche]

Well, I'm hoping that if this really is a 'we don't give a shit' moment, then eventually someone will find some shame. I hope it isn't though.

[azure gate]

I don't care about the ban, I just dislike the fact they enacted it without asking the community and still had the balls to say the community wanted this.

[pallid owl]

You signed away your rights to a non-preapproved opinion when you clicked the invite link

[pearl halo]

This is very much a Disney moment.

[pearl halo]

Genuine question, are "xcancel" links also banned?

[violet plinth]

i would assume that counts under the Can I use a redirect site for Twitter? in #announcements

[pearl halo]

Sadge, it could be a good alternative, but alas.

[charred sail]

What did shue say about the ban

[charred sail]

That's exactly what I said yesterday that poll was like whispering a question to someone knowing they won't hear it and then taking the answer as a yes

[short sail]

The messages start here I believe #discord-feedback message unsure if there were any that were deleted

[fossil moss]

Reading back a bit for context, you guys are talking about banning other platforms like Meta. I can’t help but think, this is closer and closer to the US banning TikTok. I don’t have to remind anyone how an average person is affected by this decision. At this point it feels like the server might as well just be an ad/ sponsor by bluesky since every social media platforms are deemed problematic.
Yes, I am aware that I’m exaggerating here since there are alternative platforms. And these are all equally problematic, such as Reddit, Instagram (owns by Facebook). As @indigo girder has mentioned many times how bluesky itself is equally as problematic, it’s just the lesser evil now as the Internet has their uprising against Melon.

If your responds is to keep banning things instead of trying to peacefully come up with a solution that is sensible and represent the community as a whole, then you are no different than the ones you claim to dislike.

[pallid owl]

stop trying to apply logic to a decision made in the name of "it makes me feel good about myself", it doesn't work like that

[shy kiln]

By that point
i am scared a replacement of the reddit/discord may ensue because of this rule
Many of us comes out of their silence to express their worries about the server.
I am scared it will destroy years of this server existing.

[pearl halo]

I'm just surprised they don't allow some variety of alternatives
Some subreddits banned X links but they allowed some alternatives like "xcancel"
Banning everything that even remotely comes close to sharing a post from X is just... odd to say the least

[pallid owl]

please don't take this the wrong way but that's just delusional, that isn't going to happen

in the same vein as that feedback form, the people complaining here are such a ridiculously small minority of the population of the server that thinking it would matter if we left is, well, you get the point

[turbid kayak]

i think yall are overthinking this, a twitter ban wont make neither this reddit and discord dissapear,
this is why there exists 100 other ffxiv discords, and r/ffxivdiscussion and r/shitpostxiv and etc.

[azure gate]

Also, from a perspective, you help him more with the ban than hurt him. Diverting traffic from X means less server strain, less server strain less consumption, lower bills, lower chances of parts breaking and needing replacement, all of which costs money.

[pallid owl]

that is really not how that works

there's reasons that this ban helps him but MORE traffic to the site is not hurting him lol

[turbid kayak]

twitter has ads and pays people (who pays for a checkmark) if you interact with verified tweets

[sharp breach]

The server is rounding error for Twitter.
It's not affecting it in anyway or form or shape

[azure gate]

Oh? I'm listening

[turbid kayak]

that is the same people who doesn't vote at anything thinks

[median mantle]

before the ban, people used sites that generate a working web preview on discord, so any media was playable directly from discord without opening the post. Now you have to dig for the post to find it, while being logged in

[pallid owl]

...he literally gets ad revenue from people who visit the site, these sites don't run at a net loss for fun

server fees don't pay themselves

but yeah what siti said is what has been alluded to multiple times

[meager sluice]

as others have said, without embeds, people will need to make a twitter account to look for the post or account they want to find.

[turbid kayak]

you also have to pay twitter to use twitter now

[azure gate]

So in a nutshell, you make him more money by banning, potentially?

[pallid owl]

exactly the case lol

[fossil moss]

Not potentially, definitely

[zinc jay]

Like, factually, you give him more money with this because people cant just watch videos or download images from an embed now. This is a purely moral move, nothing more.

[sharp breach]

That's the main part. It's less about the logistics and more about taking a stance, the admins that is

[pallid owl]

Again, moral grandstanding over practical effect

something about dead horses

[sacred zephyr]

Grandstanding implies an action was taken to gain positive attention and instead the staff have spent the last couple days being yelled at and dealing with hostility in this channel over banning twitter links.

[nocturne geyser]

that is a bit of a misrepresentation of the issue

[sacred zephyr]

You are correct, the primary driver of the move is because we believe we're making the correct move for what we want this community to represent. You don't have to agree with it, that's fine, but it's the decision we made.

[pallid owl]

I'm quite sure this was not the response that was anticipated to said action so, lmao

[sacred zephyr]

We didn't expect any response. We just did as we always do, except this time we gave a heads up that it was going to happen.

[nocturne geyser]

it's also wrong; grandstanding is meaningless behaviour to make someone appear morally conscious without actual meaningful action behind it. Like a rich person screaming at others to help the poor while doing nothing themselves, that is grandstanding. Getting hostile reactions because of a bad decision taken without consulting with the people affected by said bad decision does not mean it isn't grandstanding.

[sacred zephyr]

No, that's virtue signalling.

Two different things.

But that is also another term that's grown tired.

[pallid owl]

Another term which I have correctly applied to the actions taken by the administration team

[sacred zephyr]

In your belief.

[nocturne geyser]

a pokemon scalper can call themself an investor all they want, doesn't change that they are still a scalper

[pallid owl]

Correct. Because I don't speak for others. Similarly to how the team should not be speaking for us in this manner. But again, dead horses and all that and this really won't go anywhere so I'll just go buy myself another coffee and pretend I still care

[empty arrow]

the actual experience with the change makes we want to be in the discord less and it’s starting to feel like it’s the moderation teams intention

[sacred zephyr]

Look, we're not going to spend the next several days rehashing the same arguments again and again. We have heard you loud and clear, and we disagree. You don't have to like the decision, that's fine, everyone is allowed their opinion on the matter. Regardless, this community does not allow twitter links anymore.

If that's enough of an annoyance that you don't wish to be here, you are free to leave. Nobody is forcing you to remain here.

[nocturne geyser]

the thing about a union strike or a boycott or something like that is to try to effect change by showing them that without the community consuming their products or workers working they are nothing so they should placate the consumers and/or workers.

this is less of a boycott and more of a hunger strike, except dragging other people who don't necessarily want to be involved into it kinda like the cook refusing to provide anyone with food so that everyone joins their hunger strike

[turbid kayak]

its going to be 1 month of saying "we don't want to be here" whilst being here

[pallid owl]

You don't have to remind me that I'm free to leave, I'm conscious enough of my own free will.

That would be far too convenient for the opposition however.

@turbid kayak Stop putting words in our mouths man, we're belaboring the point because we want to be here. If we didn't give a fuck about this place we wouldn't be arguing about this to begin with.

[nocturne geyser]

This kinda sounds like you don't like that people dissatisfied with a moderation team's decision are using the #discord-feedback to provide feedback about how they feel about the decision that directly affects them and makes their experience in the server worse.

[fossil moss]

And to clarify, by we, you mean the mod team yes?

[pallid owl]

I mean they have every right to be sick of us. We also have every right to be sick of them and continue to bitch about it, so let the arguing continue I guess lol

[turbid kayak]

so let the arguing continue I guess lol
for a month yes

[sacred zephyr]

This server is run the exact same way that literally every single other community I'm a member of is run. The people who moderate and administrate the various sites make the decisions based on where they believe their respective communities should be headed.

@nocturne geyser I don't care what it sounds like. The reason I made that comment is because there is nothing to be gained by sitting in here and yelling at us. The decision is made, your frustration is clear, but this is where we're at and there's no intention of reversing course.

[pallid owl]

not sure why you used your minute slowmode to type four words in response to me that have no effective meaning but pop off I guess

[nocturne geyser]

or until we all get banned for daring to call a bad decision what it is

[sacred zephyr]

Can you not imply we do something that we don't do

Unless you decide to start calling me slurs or something, that's not happening.

[turbid kayak]

i actually copy pasted what you said, pressed shift+enter and then enter 4 words actually

[pallid owl]

my fault buddy I didn't mean to disrespect the hard work you put in to make that argument

[sacred zephyr]

Alright, lets not start the poking and prodding, please.

[fossil moss]

I’m sorry but using the appeal to common practice is a fallacy. Aka “everyone does it”, I can’t believe this is one of the point the mod team actually uses for their reasoning

[pallid owl]

if you want to go by "everyone does it" I will note that no one else in terms of the large xiv discord communities has banned twitter

[zinc jay]

With all due respect, hiccup, the staff have done a lot of poking and prodding here.

[sacred zephyr]

Again, it was pointed out that the staff have grown distant from this channel since the

Whoops, enter key smash

[pallid owl]

!mute @zinc jay 24h Trying to start another uprising against server moderation

[sacred zephyr]

Point is, the reason we stepped away since the ban started is precisely this. The same arguments are being had again and again, there is nothing more to answer if that's all that's going to happen.

And quite frankly, we have lives to live. I have work to get to in an hour, and Id rather not spend that time sitting in here getting yelled at. If you don't like the way things are run, then leave. Make your own community or join another that more closely aligns with how you'd like things to be run. That's the freedom of internet communities, you're not beholden to any of them if you dislike where they're headed.

[fossil moss]

That’s the main problem isn’t it, the users has no power, and the mods has the power to:

1. Make a decision regardless of the overwhelmingly negative feedback from users.
2. Ignore us because the mod team got what they want aka banning Twitter

You know this is not right

[sacred zephyr]

1: Feedback has not been overwhelmingly negative.
2: You haven't been ignored, I'm standing right here, just as I was like a day ago.

[nocturne geyser]

I've been in modmails with you people before, we are getting closer to that

[sacred zephyr]

We really aren't, but you are free to believe that if you wish.

[short sail]

That was something I appreciated about servers like these. They aren't run by the company who made the game but by the people who enjoy it. This server isn't beholden some bottom line, you aren't going to lose your job if you don't stay answer every comment perfectly. I honestly hoped it wouldn't get run like one despite that fact. When a server is the dedicated platform for a company to host their own community you put up with the fact that you only last as long as they want you to. I've been in plenty of servers that are community run, who make small scale decisions but are heavily responsive to feedback, because they can afford to be. I think you guys are perfectly capable of affording too as well, but just don't choose to do it.

[nocturne geyser]

why was Keiren banned again?

[fossil moss]

I’m sorry but linking a poll with 83 people replying in a server with 250k people. You cannot tell me this is anything meaningful. I can see that the majority of the feedback here has been negative toward both the decision and the mod team behavior toward users, aka ignoring us.
And no, you being here repeating the same thing that basically said “we made the decision regardless of what several dozens of people here said” is going to piss people off even more. Because that’s why we are unhappy in the first place. And mod team double down on “we” make this decision and this is final, is not it.

[pallid owl]

look at this cute dog

[ornate pelican]

While I won’t speak for other community leadership I can say with absolute certainty we are not the only Discord community who will are implementing this ban and the admins have discussed with other community leaders.

[turbid kayak]

just to see on the other side, if people are positive about it, then the positive feedback is much less active (cause there is no needed feedback) than people who are actively opposed to it

[fossil moss]

“Admins” “community leaders” here lies the problem. Where are the users that actually give meaning to the word “community”

[pallid owl]

Yet to see that anywhere else but I suppose your word is supposed to be taken

[ornate pelican]

Just because we were the first does not mean we will be the only ones.

[nocturne geyser]

surely

[fossil moss]

You can talk and discuss all you want, but if it doesn’t represent the “community” then it’s nothing but personal agenda

[timid axle]

Leave the billionaire fascist alone!

[pallid owl]

I would take that to mean other communities took more than two days to deliberate on if and more importantly how to implement such a ban

[ornate pelican]

I’ve known which other communities are enacting a ban for days but I do not speak for their staff.

[fossil moss]

Can we have a mute on @hazy please

[plucky niche]

i'm just boggled the staff still aren't realising that 'the amount of discourse in this channel is because people vocally don't want you to do it' and not 'everyone is being mean to us in feedback, guess there's nothing that can be done'.

[pallid owl]

Thank you, subreddit mod, your input is greatly appreciated and valued

[zinc jay]

Co-creator of /r/ffxivdiscussion
that's a good faith argument if ive ever seen one

[pallid owl]

lol. lmao, even.

[scenic nest]

If that person was only thing that mattered about twitter usage, i wouldn't be touching twitter with a long stick even.

[fossil moss]

Ohh that explain why their incessant reaction and their stance toward this issue hasn’t net them a mute. Shoulda guess, silly me

[jagged mirage]

It currently appears on paper that the sarcastic disrespectful tone is fine as long as you are aligning with staff's decision.

[turbid kayak]

what, there are redditors on this discord?

[timid axle]

Class warfare against the moderator oligarchs

[south quiver]

I just want to know in what way was the server alerted to the feedback thread and for how long was it available for. Because 86 responses is shockingly low.

[nocturne geyser]

well to be fair I haven't been muted yet and I'm not aligning with them so they are least showing some restraint

[pallid owl]

the optics would be bad!

[fossil moss]

31 hours give or take, vs being discussed for several months in the mod channel

[jagged mirage]

You can't tell me that this guy ain't trying to start an argument

and this is "okay"

[short sail]

its still up right now, they just showed the results after 31 hours for some reason

[turbid kayak]

#announcements message , they said they are going to test it out for a month, and see if it'll works out.

[nocturne geyser]

not that it would have mattered if it were 200k responses btw, the modteam said so themselves

[sacred zephyr]

At this point we're pretty much just rehashing the same exact arguments again and again, and I really don't have the time or strength to sit here stewing in the hostility. Same reason I personally left Twitter like 4 months ago.

I understand your frustration, I hear the feedback, but I disagree. That's where I'm at and unless something new is brought to my attention, I have no intention of reversing my personal stance on the matter.

I won't speak for the team, but I won't be engaging in this argument again. Happy to respond to other questions (or to clarify things), and I'll step in and mute people if you start shit slinging at each other, but I'm personally not going to respond to this topic any longer. I've given up enough of my personal time, surely you can respect that much.

[surreal shuttle]

• we cannot ping @ everyone in this server because it would crash it.
• the feedback thread has been available for a few days now including all weekend

form I mean

not thread

[zinc jay]

You may still have it open, but you decided to heed the results of the poll 31 hours after it was posted. What are the responses now?

[fossil moss]

You can check the #announcements if you wanna verify. But here are the screenshot for reference

[south quiver]

I understand that you can't ping everyone, but would it be possible to have Kupo Bot make an announcement in the busier channels every hour or so? The same way it makes a post saying to stay on topic.

[pallid owl]

No, because that would get people who actually speak in the server frequently to respond

[nocturne geyser]

if you want to know why you are getting "yelled at", this is at least part of it: generally what members of a community say and feel matter for that community since it is made of and exist for those people. For a moderator to completely ignore them and double down on a bad decision that affects that community negatively while doing nothing positive except for the moderators themselves, who get to feel good about their high horses, is a bit of a faux pas.

surprisingly, people don't like feeling like they and their opinions don't matter and this is exactly what you are doing. You are dismissing outright, refusing to engage with or even consider the concerns and thoughts of the userbase of this server because what you want matters more than what they want.

[zinc jay]

The staff repeatedly posted the moderator application in high traffic channels, but not the poll?

[surreal shuttle]

The moderator application was in #announcements

If it was posted elsewhere it was because someone did of their own volition

[empty arrow]

yea why are people that active in this discord not alerted in the respective channels? theres no reason why i learned about the change yesterday despite commonly being in the discord lol

[plucky niche]

Thank you for your time. However, the reason we are still arguing is our point still stands. The moderation team's morals are admirable but they have not been asked to speak for us. And when we have very clearly said we do not agree with their judgement, it is inappropriate that the minority dictate the majority, especially when many of them interact with this community significantly less than many who are not 'authority'.

I am staggered that you all cannot understand that the onus is not on us to sit down shut up and be happy. The onus is on you to meet the requests of the userbase.

[turbid kayak]

if you were active on discord, would you not have already read #announcements ?

[nocturne geyser]

not me lol

[pallid owl]

nobody reads announcements channels man

[short sail]

Actually yeah since the results have been shown already, can we get the updated numbers now that the weekend is over?

[plucky niche]

I'm going to throw a blind accusation to the wind. Hey, staff members. If the poll did cover a large portion of the server, and it also said we overwhelmingly disagree, would you have changed tack? From what you've said recently, it doesn't seem to me like you would.

[timid axle]

It kinda is when you think about it considering I created that community because I didn't like how the main subreddit was being run. Turns out anyone can create a community and invite like minded people, you're not beholden to the whims of moderators who don't agree with you

[zinc jay]

i would wager a substantial number of users have #announcements muted or hidden

[nocturne geyser]

I stay in #video-games-general exclusively, I parked my car and built a nice home there

[fossil moss]

Also for reference, this is what mod team means when they mentioned it has not been overwhelmingly negative. Notice the numbers of people who actually participate vs how close it is even with 86 people. Yes I’m aware 10% difference is a lot, however, with the tiny pool of people who reply, you can see why a larger pool of people who participate will significantly change the outcome. Just like in real life events

[pallid owl]

Yes, and that is why it has less than 5% the total subs of the main subreddit, because creating alternative communities is not a very viable path when a larger one exists already

[nocturne geyser]

they already said they wouldn't have lmao

[zinc jay]

Did you just come in here to play support? Because a large number of people in the announcement for ffxivdiscussion's ban (when twitter links were banned anyways) are making the same arguments we are.

[nocturne geyser]

modteam is better at doubling down than they are on listening to feedback or promoting polls for relevant changes that's for sure lmao

[timid axle]

No I am just voicing my own opinion too

[plucky niche]

Unsurprising.

Moderation team, if this decision and this fallout does not tell you that you are unfit to speak for this server's population, nothing else will.

[sacred zephyr]

We had moderator applications open not long ago. You're free to keep an eye out for them next time.

[plucky niche]

You team have demonstrated your institutionalised apathy and hatred for dissenting community members. I'd rather stay far away.

[pallid owl]

Your junior moderators don't even wanna deal with this shit

Who's actively trying to join in light of this

[fossil moss]

Voicing your own opinion include incessant reactions on other users opinion is not an opinion, it’s an attack

[turbid kayak]

junior mods aren't supposed to speak on this matter anyway

[nocturne geyser]

but that's the position that applying mods get...?

[surreal shuttle]

junior mods during their trial aren't responsible for policy stuff like this.

That's why they aren't here

[modern jacinth]

Junior Mods are not a part of this and don't even try to drag them into this.

[charred sail]

well wtf is the point of this channel in that case?

[fiery jackal]

For feedback to be considered and possibly implemented

[turbid kayak]

junior mods doesn't make choices that admins do

[nocturne geyser]

so even if you joined the modteam, you wouldn't actually get to do anything to change the server as Hiccup implied you would

[timid axle]

I do feel it's odd for anyone to think this is a huge backlash / fallout when there are just a handful of people complaining

[pallid owl]

I am not saying they are responsible for the decision, I am, in fact, literally just saying that they have expressed that they do not want to deal with this shit

[sacred zephyr]

All moderators who pass trial take part in policy discussion.

[zinc jay]

please stop instigating the mods can defend themselves.

[surreal shuttle]

If you become full moderator you can. It's not fair to involve juniors in that stuff when they might not pass the trial and be here after

[fossil moss]

This also means the decision to ban Twitter is in the hand of even less people of the mod team. Only full staff has this privilege. This sounds familiar to many irl events isn’t it

[timid axle]

I'm not doing either, just calling it as I see it honestly

[plucky niche]

The inevitability of a server with a quarter of a million users is the chances of every single one of them weighing in on a discussion is slim to nil.

I would like to remind OUR moderators that they've banned people responsible for 'shit stirring' in the past. Literally yesterday, literally verbatim.

[median mantle]

It's a good chunk of the regular chatters in endgame and beginner lounge

[charred sail]

theres only a handful of people who even said yes to it in the first place

[short sail]

Arguably the only thing we can say is that there is a general apathy. I would say thats mostly because nobody knows, whether they will end up supporting or fighting it

[hoary garden]

It is, perhaps, unwise to recommend people apply for staff if they wish to effect administrative culture changes, when it is abundantly clear that even the staff themselves do not have a full voice in this process.

[nocturne geyser]

... which you wouldn't immediately if you answered the poll...? which kinda leads to the same place we were already at where even if they followed your advice to join the modteam to try and change things that would do absolutely nothing for the time during which they are on trial

[zinc jay]

everyone currently speaking in this channel are career regulars, or former regulars.

[fiery jackal]

We’re 80 hours deep in one of the worst conversations to hit the discord.

[pallid owl]

We are 80 hours deep in asking you to contribute something that isn't inflammatory for no reason xdddddd

[timid axle]

There is general apathy because it really doesn't matter and anyone actually upset by the decision is kind of telling on themselves

[plucky niche]

And based on what some of the staff members have accidentally posted in here, suggesting they join a group that actively hates them in order to 'improve' them is stupid.

[meager sluice]

what is this supposed to mean?

[nocturne geyser]

mods sure make it sound like it's a big, grueling ordeal

[zinc jay]

I also have a strong feeling, whether staff say so or not, that anyone engaging in this conversation will be effectively blacklisted from being staff anyways

[sacred zephyr]

Reminder that I will start muting people if you continue to poke and prod each other. Respond respectfully or don't respond at all.

[pallid owl]

oh boy we're being called nazis again!! YIPPEEEEEE

[jagged mirage]

I am just not understanding why the person who came in & trying to instigate fight hasn't been muted or warned yet

[fossil moss]

Oh jeez can we have a mute on hazy and railhead please. They are here to literally antagonize and troll people.

For everyone else, please block and ignore. Do not engage since derail the convo to personally make us attack them will only make everyone looks worse and hurts our credibility. Be better guys and don’t fall for it

[ornate pelican]

This is not true. We’ve actively recruited vocal critics for both the discord and subreddit moderator teams. One of the founders of ffxivdiscussion was a subreddit mod for a few months even when our teams disliked each other.

[hoary garden]

Also, for the record, using arguments such as "if you disagree then you're an enemy sympathiser" is in fact fascist rhetoric. We cannot use it against our own, even when the enemy we are attempting to resist is fascism.

[timid axle]

If I am antagonizing you guys, you are antagonizing the mods.

[short sail]

Everyone is antagonizing each other at the moment is a pretty fair statement I would say

[misty kernel]

First let me make something very clear. Junior mods are not full fledged mods. While they are given the same authority as normal mods, we have chosen to exclude them from this situation because it does not apply to their mod trial thus it would be wildly unfair to judge them based on a situation like this. Do NOT bring the juniors into this.

[fossil moss]

Yea and one side calling the other Nazi supporter (leave the billionaire facist alone) is far different than “why are we not involved in the decision making”

[plucky niche]

For god's sake, moderators, you were banning people yesterday for calling people nazis. Have some dignity.

Also, @ornate pelican, you quite literally demonstrated to us yesterday that internally you are cracking jokes at our expense probably as we speak. How can you say something like this?

[pallid owl]

Only one side is or ever has made wildly sweeping political accusations and attacks on our moral character for our stance on the issue, however

Which I may note literally just happened again not five minutes ago

[timid axle]

I didn't call any of you nazis. If you are insecure about your bias that is not my responsibility to accommodate

[ornate pelican]

They’re allowed to voice their opinions. The second it gets overly insulting or personal it will be dealt with. In the past for other decisions we’ve had staff quit due to being doxxed, we’ve had staff receive daily death threats. If anyone crosses into those lines there will be no second chances. As far as I’m aware nothing close to that has happened here.

[pallid owl]

It is not my responsibility to tolerate your implication that I am somehow telling on myself for being upset about limiting what platforms I can use to view media in a discord server :)

[south quiver]

This shit needs to stop. Stop calling everyone against this a fascist. Or at least stop pussyfooting around and just come out and say it

[timid axle]

I didn't ask you to tolerate me in any way. You can be as intolerant as you want

[plucky niche]

Disgusting. How you're allowed to continue in this discussion when the moderators have actually had the class to sanction trolls is beyond me.

[fossil moss]

This is funny isn’t it. The people who support the decision are the ones come in here with the attitude that borderline a troll. Whereas the people who express frustration write several written paragraphs and thoughts, are the ones against this decision. This is a pattern

[pallid owl]

Well in the spirit of being intolerant, I would kindly ask that you never fucking say anything like that again to any of us. Hope this helps!

[sacred zephyr]

!slowmode 300

[ancient gale]

Success!

Slowmode Updated to 300, Kupo!

[sacred zephyr]

I'm upping slowmode because this is getting a little much.

!mute 285567261882843138 1h

[ancient gale]

Success!

@pallid owl has been muted by @sacred zephyr for 1 hour!

[sacred zephyr]

!mute 170725015308730369 1h

[ancient gale]

Success!

@timid axle has been muted by @sacred zephyr for 1 hour!

[zinc jay]

I really do not appreciate the implications about me here, as someone whose identity is constantly endangered by this current climate.

mods for the love of god punish your yes-men.

[sacred zephyr]

Cool off.

I will hand these mutes out like candy if people keep going at it.

[plucky niche]

Or perhaps we've got to the point where those supporting the staff team can say what they want. Prove me wrong, please.

Edit: @sacred zephyr I did not see that, so thank you. At the time, I only saw you muting Chiyo who has been nothing but productive this entire weekend.

[frosty edge]

Damn that was wack

[sage rune]

kay, yap subreddit creator is a yapper

[ornate pelican]

!mute @sage rune 1h

[ancient gale]

Success!

@sage rune has been muted by @ornate pelican for 1 hour!

[sacred zephyr]

I refer you to the mute I handed out 3 seconds ago.

You are free to agree or disagree with the decision made. You are not free to antagonise one another and sling shit.

You are not immune because you agree with the decision.

You are not immune because you disagree and think the optics of muting someone in such a stance will dissuade moderation from happening.

[nocturne geyser]

normally I'd give you credit for that but it did take a long time and a lot of calling out; but on the other hand you also didn't mute the other people having a bit of a meltdown against the one person at the moment so Imma call it even

[sacred zephyr]

I don't want to stifle fair argument but you're correct I could have done it sooner. But Im also getting ready for work so, a little distracted here and there.

[fossil moss]

So, about the feedback form. Please give us the new data since it’s still active and the last screenshot was 31 hours after the form went live. And since you guys are still reading feedback from said form, that means data is still coming in.

[jagged mirage]

I don't think the feedback form data matter

Original purpose of the question is not phrased as "Do you support the Twitter ban on Final Fantasy XIV Discord server", so any quantity data you can extra regarding to the user base's stance will be biased and trash.

[turbid kayak]

Title: r/FFXIV Discord Twitter Ban Feedback Form
Question 1: Do you support or oppose a ban on X/Twitter in our Discord?

So, what is the answer, don't vote?

[south quiver]

It sounds like that question was pointless because the decision had already been made. Idk maybe there was a slim chance of them changing their minds if 200k said no

[charred sail]

the results of that question mean absolutely nothing the mods dont give a fuck what people think about it

[frosty edge]

Probably mean to appease people but it clearly did not.

[plucky niche]

I'm so confused how we were on decent terms yesterday and now this's happened. Moderators, you all know full well how this works out. We don't want to be your enemies, I'm not sure if you think we are yours, but this stops as soon as you listen to us. People will not tolerate disrespect. The result of people not tolerating disrespect is them biting back.

[short sail]

The point of the question was so they could get the tone of the following feedback submission, it was not to poll the community on their support. That all said they still posted the results in their announcement so who the hell knows what they were going for.

[zinc jay]

I'll reiterate that the poll was only made after hours of us arguing for it in this channel. Before then we'd been told that the decision had already been made behind closed doors and there was nothing to be discussed/done about it. People would be considerably less irate here if the poll was put up long before and left to sit so data could be collected.

[sacred zephyr]

49 support v 45 oppose
Dunno how to do the graph thing so I just manually counted. Can also grab the 'no opinions' if you want.

Edit: To clarify, I didn't count the test response or the one dude who called to 'remove the homo mods'

[indigo girder]

the one thing eanae said that’s respectable in contrast to this is the active users and new users - which is 200-600.

not to say they ever used the form as a true data point - considering they said ‘only those who actually care would have used the form’.

but it was 3/4 anonymous and a google form and as we’re aware - the posts on reddit are very reminiscent of the bandwagon from the third party app ban, sopa, literally everything.

i don’t think any mods who are using that form as justification are using it in good faith, im sorry.

[hoary garden]

I would like to point out that, to the subject of broad spectrum silence here from the general staff—that approach is unfortunately the wiser decision. It doesn't help assuage community concerns when responses are nonexistent for hours at a time, but at the same time, having a dozen different voices trying to field responses in a very public forum, especially right now, creates an exponential risk of misstatements and miscommunication.

[hollow owl]

i love all the regulars in here and how much the community came together to discuss this issue but it's seriously time to close it up folks. the discussion has declined and the Twitter ban is in place. just stop guys it isn't worth it anymore

[nocturne geyser]

fair.

[rotund egret]

I understand that form was conducted but that poll didn't not have significant enough time to gain enough feedback for an actually decent sample size. And it doesn't help it was pinged so those who don't check the server often didn't have a chance to participate. That poll reeks of bias at the end of the day. But it's not like the feedback would've mattered as the outcome was determined by staff before hand which honestly making the form feels like a slap in the face to those who are passionate about this

[jagged mirage]

Thank you for the ping. Will be ignoring your less than desirable tone in good faith because understandable not everyone was actively here when the form was given out.

The form was extended & posted by Meara here as an olive branch to collect quality data with stated intention to understand how they could implement the ban that could align with their user base. Not polling because it was stated that users have no input on this newly enforced decision.

So it was baffling to see the screenshot in the announcement a couple days after to be used in the other manner.

[plucky niche]

Also, the reasonable response to a basically 50/50 split NOT being 'oh, great, the majority agree with our decision!' it being 'damn, i guess this does not reflect the views of the entire community'.

[sacred zephyr]

Nowhere in the announcement was it stated or implied that the results of the feedback form were being used to justify the decision. From the beginning we made it clear what the point of the form was, and we wanted to be transparent as to the result.

Apparently that was a mistake.

[hoary garden]

I have avoided weighing on the actual points of concern for the past few days, primarily because given my demographic I do not feel myself qualified to speak to any of them with any degree of authority. And I do not agree with several of the approaches staff have taken so far.

However.

There is a reason we in the Navy always redirected any incoming questions to our command's PR point of contact, and chief among them was that issue resolution is not served by having fourteen cooks trying to stir the same pot. Additionally, given that this decision was an executive decision, not a communal or staff decision, it is somewhat short-sighted to place blame with them when, objectively, the extent of their autonomy in the situation is "find a way to make this happen" or leave.

[nocturne geyser]

this isn't the hammurabi code lol decisions can change

[short sail]

The existence of the question was never the issue and I think the communication was fine until the results of said question appeared a day later in the announcement, which royally confused just about everybody

[long ridge]

And boy was it a wild 5 hours; I was streaming msq the whole time and oblivious to it all tbh I think the events that happened immediately after it was announced is what really set the tone for the dissent that followed. Like considerably.

Not trying to fan any flames or beat any dead horses but Its kinda crazy to think this all could have been completely avoided had someone asserted behind the scenes that the issue should be raised as a proposal and not as a final decision.

People are far keener to accept a change if they feel they had a part in its decision after all

At the end of the day, people just want to be acknowledged for the place they hold within a community and to have their voices not only heard, but considered. The best way to recover from a situation like this is to recognize that this could've been handled better and to commit to take a different approach next time

(Actually the absolute best would be to defer the implementation and do it right this time too but ya know)

[indigo girder]

when you use quantitative data as your justification as for why it goes forward.

then use selective qualitative justifications which don’t respect the broader community sentiment - while not engaging with views many have presented - it doesn’t engender the belief their actions are done in good faith with respect to their community.

and when valid criticism, rather than being taken as ‘these are issues with how things were presented’ are taken as personal attacks or insults towards moderators (as has been echoed here again, today)

there’s very little ‘getting through to -or being heard’ any of you will get from someone who feels personally attacked by this.

unfortunately now many of voices have been silenced as rather than critical of a decision, they’re critical of the mods character or personal views

[plucky niche]

I just would really, REALLY like the moderation team to accept that this isn't a war. or a battle. they don't have to 'win' or 'lose'. You've damaged our trust, but this stops as soon as you listen to us and stop acting like you know best and nothing can deviate from that.

[sacred zephyr]

I would also like to clear up, again, that the decision was made after a vote amongst the entire moderation and administration team. A similar vote happened at another time like... 6 months ago(?)... that the team subsequently opposed at the time.

None of the admins, including Eanae, stepped in to make an executive decision without input from the team.

[zinc jay]

So the moderators have had ~6 months to mull this over and we had no warning and 31 hours to give feedback in a poll? really? That's a terrible revelation.

[fiery jackal]

A revelation made 60 hours ago

[sacred zephyr]

No. Because the previous vote was opposed and we didn't think about it again until the more recent vote. Then users were made aware after we had discussed the implementation behind the scenes.

[jagged mirage]

I want to start by thanking you for being the frontline person to handle the incoming feedback. Before I reply back with my concern to make sure we understand that this isn't anything personal.

Data can be a dangerous tool and when misused and shape facts to one's desire & agenda. It may not be the intent, but it is guiding some public opinion to think one way or another.

[nocturne geyser]

... the navy is a military. discord servers aren't. There are reasons why militaries are structured like that and those reasons are pretty bad for militaries already. For a discord server it would be uh. Unadvisable.

[sacred zephyr]

At this point it's probably fair to say the feedback form was ultimately misguided and it would probaly have been a good idea to just... not do it. Or, alternatively, make it purely about implementation and not include the "yes/no" questions at all.

Would you all prefer to be updated on the results, or would you prefer it be forgotten from this point on?

[plucky niche]

We would prefer you listened to what we wanted rather than asking us what option we prefer out of what you tell us we want.

[indigo girder]

look hiccup, frankly you - blitz and eanae in particular keep changing all of the timelines here.

it was suddenly dropped on the mods according to blitz.

it was discussed 3 months ago according to you 24 hrs ago.

now there was a vote 6mo ago.

i struggle to see any consistency in your words or that you’re representing reality.

i think it’s a better idea if you avoid trying to justify this in every way you guys can muster at this point and at least speak about the decision with users.

because it’s just a mess of contradictory statements, inconsistent timelines and data which is used to represent whatever decision was already made.

[sacred zephyr]

Im not changing up any timeline, I don't remember when the previous vote was I just know it was months ago. Do you expect an exact time and date? I can provide that if you want it.

There were two votes, one months ago, and one recent.

[ornate pelican]

There’s been multiple votes over the years since Twitter was bought out. It was essentially unanimous to not do anything until last weeks discussion about it in which a wide majority of staff agreed to ban.

[zinc jay]

Which, circling back to the issue, users should have been included in.

[nocturne geyser]

I think people here have spent the last I don't know how many hours telling you what they want lmao

[empty arrow]

i still dont understand the alternatives people expected to use with videos
On mobile downloading videos is literally not an option without paying for twitter premium

[sacred zephyr]

FYI: Around about 2 months and 2 days ago, according to a quick search.

Apparently I think 2 months is 6 months. Fuck time, man.

[long ridge]

I'd personally like to be updated on it. Personally I don't think the form was a bad idea, I just wished it would have been provided sooner and a seperate poll be also taken, myself.

Perhaps one form for "if we do this how should we do it", with a seperate poll on "should we do this"

[plucky niche]

Yeah, and none of the votes included us or cared what we thought. Do you see the issue?

Start listening to what we want, start caring what we feel, stop treating us as enemies and start acting in our interests, not on our behalf, because people don't want you to.

[indigo girder]

it seems the misinformation given by your mods has lead to a lot of this. and now the fact you’re giving transparency when you’re called out on further inconsistency is tough.

[versed mauve]

they basically didn't provide any alternatives

[silent flower]

…how is that misinformation?

[turbid kayak]

"we do not make decisions over admins" is misinfo aight

[short sail]

I get where you are coming from, but other than being told that the decision was in the works for months vs being talked about briefly before but actually worked on right now, there has not been anything close to active misinformation. At best its some human errors for dates and wording

[rotund egret]

Most people just use Twitter video downloader because no one is going to pay to download a video

[sacred zephyr]

There's no misinformation. Getting dates wrong doesn't mean anything. We're not a government of a small country, it's a Discord server. I work and have other shit to do, this is a volunteer position with more downsides than benefits lmao.

Speaking of, I'm off to work. Please keep it respectful folks. Might poke my head in from time to time.

[fossil moss]

I’d like to be update on the results, just out of curiosity regardless of how it turns out. With a larger participant pool

[sacred zephyr]

Sounds good. I'll try to update again in a day or two if the numbers budge much.

[ornate pelican]

The percentages are still essentially the same across 102 responses.

[long ridge]

Respectfully I don't feel like eliciting a negative reaction from the mod team is necessary or even helpful right now. No one can think logically when they're emotionally elevated, and we're truly fighting for the same purpose here: to try to ensure the place we love to call home, is as successful and healthy as it can be. There is a disagreement on the route to get there but the core value is the same.

I want to restate my earliest point that, even beyond whether or not the ban happens, there was quite a bit of dismissal concerning the part we play in contributing to this community and frankly I feel like it really led the conversation downhill since.

I feel that it is this core problem that is the biggest issue here. Lack of allowance for contribution, extreme delay (or complete lack) of involving the community with the issue, and having certain individuals dismiss regulars as if their contributions don't matter

Personally I hope to see a future announcement acknowledging these mistakes, more than I want to see any specific result of the ban issue. But that's just me; the human element is so important to a community and frankly I feel like a lot of the regulars here feel exceptionally discarded

[indigo girder]

the way things have been presented by the mods has been a large issue people have had here for this whole time.

human errors and wording. i’ll give you that we can give them some grace for dates - as i think we’ve all lost the ability to perceive time since covid, mods and users included.

but this is also the first we’ve heard of multiple discussions regarding this twitter ban.

if you’d followed this from the start you’d be more understanding of the larger problem of inconsistencies and obfuscation.

it’s a larger communication issue with the community and obfuscation, defensiveness and selective responses to users.

the fact there are even more parallels here doesn’t help much with that issue.

[south quiver]

Can we have an announcements role and have that be pinged instead? I think that's how larger servers handle it.

[ornate pelican]

This will happen, yes. Can’t do it from mobile though so I’ll aim to get it done tonight if I manage to get time on my desktop.

[plucky niche]

please keep well.

we all know you're all human. that is why we are asking for understanding. this will keep going forever and ever because this is not inherently about the twitter ban, this is about the moderator team's lack of respect for the users.

Listen to us. It's really so simple. Let this end.

[sacred zephyr]

There's no lack of respect, and I wish you would stop equating disagreement with disrespect.

We can disagree with your opinion and it not be disrespectful.

[silent flower]

They have listened. You are combining listening to and complying with your every demand.

[turbid kayak]

its not about twitter
respect us
unban twitter

[modern gyro]

So. I have a question about the entire debacle going on here, and the elephant in the rule we have not discussed...

[indigo girder]

with respect to you hiccup, you’ve expressed near identical sentiment regarding the lack of respect when you’re being disagreed with.

yours went further into calling them personal attacks, in fact.

[sacred zephyr]

I understand and respect your opinions on the decision, I just also disagree with them for the most part. I DO agree we could have delivered the ban in a better manner though, and we have/are discussing how to handle this kind of thing better next time.

[charred sail]

if a doctor takes 3 organs out of your body and then asks you if you want them to do it AFTER they already took ur organs out, they did not listen to what you had to say they were gonna take ur organs out regardless which is why they only asked after they did it

[nocturne geyser]

yes there is, do you want the screenshots?

[sacred zephyr]

I refer again to the announcement.

I understand the first day or so was contentious and don't deny that. But that isn't what i was responding to and I believe you're aware of that.

[winter grove]

I just think it's a bit short sighted to restrict access to the core social media people/companies use. Most are not going to sign up for bluesky, so you're significantly restricting what people can talk about unless they screenshot the news, which is a problem in and of itself (no videos, no gifs, no interaction, no ability to join in the conversation, etc).

Plus, what happens if something like the head of Discord comes out as a freak? Are we going to shut down in boycott? I think there's a very obvious and clear line between supporting the person who runs something VS using the product.

[patent osprey]

[surreal shuttle]

You can view BlueSky without having an account and logging in

Unlike Twitter currently

[meager sluice]

you can view twitter embeds without having an account and logging in. banning embeds makes it so people, if they want to find a post, have to make an account.

[pearl halo]

Speaking of which, and a genuine question.
Does the ban include stuff like "xcancel" links?
Pardon the ping.

[surreal shuttle]

In the announcement

[nocturne geyser]

you, shue, eanae and whoever else being openly dismissive (and snide, even) does count as a lack of respect in my books, even if it was in the contentious first day.

Completely ignoring what the community wants by not including them in the decision making process for a change to the server is also disrespectful. The respectful thing would have been asking for general users' opinions before implementing the ban and, if the response had been negative, not doing it at all instead of keeping it entirely restricted to a fraction of the mod team. Not doing that is pretty damn dismissive of the server's users, especially the regulars.

[charred sail]

what happens if discord gets bought by someone that the mod team does not like are we gonna poll 0.1% of the community on whether the server should shut down after the mod team already decided to shut it down

[indigo girder]

im aware of that, and i was responding to your words and presentation, as i said in the comment. being selective and throwing it back on me kinda sucks.

while you may feel more settled and handled in how to respond to this situation.

many others don’t, as they’re still hurt.

you feeling as if the first day was tough doesn’t give you carte blanche to dismiss and call out others on similar behaviours to what you said and turn it around on others.

that isn’t fair in any capacity

[surreal shuttle]

entertaining what ifs isn’t really productive imo and I think the other mods would agree

[plucky niche]

We know based on Eanae's faux pas yesterday that you disrespect us, so let's be at least honest.

And I, for my part, wish you all would understand why for us this is an issue of respect, and why you only see it as an issue of disagreement. Maybe we'd get somewhere if so.
We are saying 'please give us an equal opinion in the decision that affects us' and you all are saying 'no, you will comply with what we say, the only opinions we tolerate are the ones we like the sound of'. How can we agree with that? I know you wouldn't if roles were reversed.

[zinc jay]

This is not correct. Users can make their accounts unviewable unless you have one. And that is a very common practice on bsky.

[winter grove]

So, knowing that the majority of people and companies use Twitter and NOT BlueSky, if we find something we want to share or discuss we basically need to hope a duplicate post exists on BlueSky, or take a screenshot, which entirely negates the purpose of boycotting Twitter in the first point, and fucks over the person posting said Tweet?

[surreal shuttle]

Most major companies have some presence on BlueSky even if it doesn’t entirely match their Twitter presence. And from my experience working with companies with a social media presence it’s very rare that anyone, company or individual, only exist on one platform

[patent osprey]

The cute modded miqote on Twitter

[turbid kayak]

difference is between, the user (you) choosing to be visible vs being forced to be logged in for every user.
and

[empty arrow]

And the what about the large amount of KR and JP FFXIV artists that don’t use bluesky?

[indigo girder]

you can also not browse bluesky in the same way you can browse other social media without an account.

as it’s not an algorithm in the same fashion and user curated - your experience without an account is lacklustre to say the least.

this isn’t even to add to truly have the bluesky ‘experience’ you need to join follow lists and block lists etc which are largely encouraged by the community.

even with that - it’s difficult.

[winter grove]

Not even that, the majority of ALL users in ALL countries don't use BlueSky. There seems to be a misunderstanding of BlueSky's popularity here. In the US and UK, the only place BlueSky really has a presence, BlueSky has around 3.5 million DAU. Twitter has 245 million.

Edit: I should also note BlueSky is charting down month over month, not up. This is just "we're all moving to Mastodon!!!" again.

[surreal shuttle]

Most of these questions are answered in the announcement

[nocturne geyser]

not really? the answer in the announcement is a big "/shrug"

[indigo girder]

this is even ignoring the fact that bluesky is hosted in the usa and its decentralisation et al is largely a farce

it presents itself similarly to a mastodon instance and while it is spread over many servers - it cannot interact with platforms outside its own.

not to mention its still hosted in the usa which, while you’re all validly upset about twitter being directly controlled by a nazi.

i don’t know why you’d have any faith in a us companies words or statements, particularly when it and its userbase goes so against the executive branch.

particularly when their control and future war on the media has been ‘alluded’ to for the last 8 years.

i’ll leave it there for anything remotely political but - with amazon, apple, the owner of twitter and microsoft too kissing the ring so heavily.

i have unconditional negative regard for you all encouraging another american company as an alternative.

i feel that all of you directing us to bluesky have literally never used either it or twitter.

because none of you seem to know how it does or doesn’t work

[nocturne geyser]

we brazillians adopted bluesky way earlier 😤

[turbid kayak]

you can host your own atproto server and connect your domain to it.
https://atproto.com/guides/self-hosting
with that domain you can use bluesky (or any app that can read with atproto) to connect to that atproto domain.
atproto is fully open and readable protocol for published content

[indigo girder]

the at protocol is created by bluesky.

with the backdoors that have been exploited in cisco routers recently, do you have any true faith in this? there has been a lot of discussion regarding the at protocol on some cybersec forums you should have a look into, some of it is on bluesky itself.

it may appear to be open source but the whole thing is not.

i have no faith in any american company. particularly when people are 'we need to protect the at protocol and bluesky from billionaires' as they head into a 700m valuation funding round.

[hoary garden]

Okay. This needs to culminate in something productive at some point. And it is abundantly clear that this channel is neither useful nor desirable as the forum for that end. So.

@ornate pelican I understand that this is your decision. I also cannot say with any conviction, for several reasons, that I believe it is a wrong decision. But the manner in which it was revealed and implemented has clearly eroded if not outright destroyed a massive amount of community faith and goodwill towards the administration and staff, and something must be done to regain any of it if this community is to continue to exist. To that end I have a proposal.

1. Temporarily pause the ban. This does not mean "reverse" or "recant", it is simply a mechanism to allow everyone, staff and community alike, room to breathe.
2. Positively engage with a small selection of community-appointed representatives. It should be abundantly clear to many of us, as it has been made to me these past few days, that our perspectives as Americans on this issue is very much incomplete. As such, this decision, despite being well intentioned, is clearly flawed in its current implementation and scope. However, the furor in this channel is not conducive to good-faith issue discussion, and unfortunately the feedback form carries the implicit perception of being destined for the Circular File regardless of intent, so it is likewise useless due to lack of trust.

What you need right now are less voices with clear communication of community perspectives, and you need to further show you, both as the administration team as a whole and as the owner personally, are willing to listen—which several of you say you are but, obviously, sincere skepticism exists. Let the community appoint people they trust to speak for them (especially from overseas), and allow them to engage with the admin team directly in a small forum setting, to discuss how to ameliorate the impact of this decision.

[turbid kayak]

what do you mean by "might appear to be open source but is not"?
https://github.com/bluesky-social/atproto MIT Licensed
https://github.com/bluesky-social/social-app MIT Licensed
and i would like to know what things to look into, and idk what cisco has to do with this.

[plucky niche]

Good writeup. This deserves the maturity it offers.

[indigo girder]

i'll leave this discussion here as while i have more to add, i'd encourage you, personally, to read further into it.

i'd appreciate the mods read @hoary garden's response over anything else.

[fading plank]

Assuming this were to be approved (which I doubt, I genuinely do not believe staff cares at all about anything that isn't in favour of the ban), we would need a reliable way to both contact a majority of the community - and I don't mean a feedback form that runs for less than 2 days - and determine whether popular = trustworthy as a representative.
Short of actually making a semi-announcement role, or modifications to the regular kupo bot messages, I don't see that happening. And I don't see those two workarounds happening either because that'd require staff to work with us to work against them.
The idea is mature and well meaning but if nothing else, they've made it abundantly clear that they don't have any intentions on going back on what they did, no matter how their decision affects the community.

[plucky niche]

Regardless, I'd like the moderator team to verify that they've received this message, when they can, before we can it out of apathy.

[ornate pelican]

#277945405591781376 message

[plucky niche]

Eanae, I don't think this is going to make anyone accept this any more than they currently do or don't. It's still equally unpleasant regardless of where it is. (Plus, Balance does all their user feedback privately, as opposed to here, so it's likely it won't look at 'opposed' on the surface.

Could you please take a look at Allamorph's post some posts above us? It'd help a load towards bringing this to a close.

[ornate pelican]

The ban will not be paused and we’re not making a tribunal of non staff to approve our server decisions, no.

[plucky niche]

So can I ask why? This was a remarkably good faith attempt to give an amicable conclusion to this.

We don't want to fight. We just want to be respected as users affected by this decision, and know our opinions actually matter. So why does it need to be kept pushing onwards in a way that only creates more conflict? That's what this is about, and as long as it continues I'm not sure when, if, a positive relationship with regular users would return.

[ornate pelican]

If you want to disagree that strongly your options at this point with Balance also banning is to make your own community where you can put everything up to a vote. We will not be changing the way in which this server manages the rules.

[icy cypress]

I think alot of regular users dont care about the ban anyway sure there will be people that obviously do but i feel like generalizing it is really over the top

[silent flower]

Also asking the unpaid admin and mod team to create a glorified governmental structure including additional voting bodies and review boards is wild. It sounds nice, but that is a lot of burden placed.

[indigo girder]

@ornate pelican i think we'd all appreciate properly responding to and replying to a user who is trying to engage with one whom is trying to speak to you healthily and diplomatically.

it feels you're trying to to dilute and derail the discussion further, and make it more muddy here so no real response from you - or others can to be reached.

you, me and the other mods know how little work what he said is.

adding in a few users whom you feel are in good faith and at least speaking to them honestly and openly somewhere else may be useful, as you and the mods have demonstrated you feel or do not want to do here.

@silent flower she is a paid admin actually, there's a server shop if you look at the top of the channel list, let alone her patreon and other activities within the xiv community which are public information.

i'll repost his comment here so hopefully the discussion can get back on track.

from @hoary garden

Okay. This needs to culminate in something productive at some point. And it is abundantly clear that this channel is neither useful nor desirable as the forum for that end. So.

Eanae I understand that this is your decision. I also cannot say with any conviction, for several reasons, that I believe it is a wrong decision. But the manner in which it was revealed and implemented has clearly eroded if not outright destroyed a massive amount of community faith and goodwill towards the administration and staff, and something must be done to regain any of it if this community is to continue to exist. To that end I have a proposal.

1. Temporarily pause the ban. This does not mean "reverse" or "recant", it is simply a mechanism to allow everyone, staff and community alike, room to breathe.
2. Positively engage with a small selection of community-appointed representatives. It should be abundantly clear to many of us, as it has been made to me these past few days, that our perspectives as Americans on this issue is very much incomplete. As such, this decision, despite being well intentioned, is clearly flawed in its current implementation and scope. However, the furor in this channel is not conducive to good-faith issue discussion, and unfortunately the feedback form carries the implicit perception of being destined for the Circular File regardless of intent, so it is likewise useless due to lack of trust.

What you need right now are less voices with clear communication of community perspectives, and you need to further show you, both as the administration team as a whole and as the owner personally, are willing to listen—which several of you say you are but, obviously, sincere skepticism exists. Let the community appoint people they trust to speak for them (especially from overseas), and allow them to engage with the admin team directly in a small forum setting, to discuss how to ameliorate the impact of this decision.

[ornate pelican]

I net negative 80 a month and also pay for all contests prizes out of my own pocket. I am not making profit off this nor do I care to. If you keep up with this targeting of me you’ll be short lived here. I’ve tolerated it but it’s gotten old. I’ve responded to his post. The answer is no.

[plucky niche]

We are asking for basic respect, and to not be treated like we do not matter. 'Make your own community or deal with it' is easy to say when you personally have no investment in the situation (and, to boot, control one of if not the most significant discord community bots for XIV, which I wonder if you can control who has access to?)

I am not asking the moderation team to upheave all their protocols to bend to our every whim. I am asking for respect, and for our opinions as users of the server to be valued, when your opinions as moderators clearly do not match ours to the extent that you can speak for us.

As I said earlier, your collective seem to be not realising how your dismissal of our criticism reads as disrespect to us (even if we didn't know about the jokes being made behind our backs). Were the roles reversed, I am sure you would be feeling stifled too. As many have said, you are volunteers, and thus we do not expect you to lead us, the common expectation is you make decisions in all of our interest. And when there is clearly a conflict of interest, you work with us as equals, because you are not unequal to us. And thus it should come as not much of a surprise that when we feel like your actions towards us are unjustified and disrespectful, we make noise about it. We are not hating for the sake of hating. We don't want to do this as much as you don't enjoy managing it. But dissent will happen, and the one who can make this right isn't really us.

Your refusal to even address Allamorph directly speaks to this disrespect. They have offered you the best solution I have seen to mitigate this problem, offered in some of the best faith I have seen. They are being diplomatic, and you are not even trying to give the same grace in return, never mind refusing to engage. This is beyond disappointing.

[fading plank]

They won't work with us; they don't care.
They've successfully pushed their politics onto the server, enough people are clueless, don't care or have no stake in this. The people speaking up are passionate and frankly plentiful given how long it's dragged on, but it doesn't matter because staff doesn't have to do anything but wait it out. It's already contained to a channel most people don't look at, with a slowmode on top.
All this will still get you is a mute if you push it too much (don't say it won't, I saw the 24h mute for discussing a topic you brought into the server), and your choice is unfortunately to suck it up and let them do it to you, or to leave.
They'll be happy either way because you either remove your voice or you give approval to the decision by staying regardless.
We don't get to win.

[indigo girder]

there's no targeting of you, eanae.

they said you were an unpaid admin which in non factual, whether you make profit or loss doesn't make that true or false.

there is more than just 'no' in what he said, and you speaking to both me and allamorph as if we're targeting you is disrespectful as hell. let alone a proper response.

we see how much you're on your phone, you can write properly if you decide to.

edit: the patreon is in your name, eanae - lead dev or not doesn't change anything

then threatening to ban me for pointing out public and factual information is quite offensive at minimum.

[empty arrow]

So wait the same 80 person poll was used to cover other ffxiv servers? lol

[ornate pelican]

Define “who has access to it”? Currently not even I have full access to Kupo Bot. That’s in the hands of @stone aurora as the current lead developer.

[ornate pelican]

No. Balance never asked for community opinion.

[idle rose]

Our decision in the Balance was based off of discussion amongst our staff.

[surreal shuttle]

Hello balance friends we appreciate you

[plucky niche]

Valid. I wasn't sure of the logistics.

My other points still stand. I would love if you would address them.

I would love even more if you would address Allamorph. You have not done so, only spoken around them when other people asked you to. Their post deserves at least that much respect.

[fading plank]

They said they don't wanna do it

[ornate pelican]

I have addressed him. The answer to both bullet points is No.

[frosty edge]

The hell is there left to address lmao .no means no unless that means something else now??

[icy cypress]

And the points are the same already mentioned and discussed before anyway
Yeah its really a broken record at this point

[ornate pelican]

This discussion has ran its course and then did 20 extra laps.

[plucky niche]

The effort they have given to directly speak to you but your refusal to meet them is disappointing, and as I said, speaks to the level of respect in this interaction.

So are we going to see some kind of compromise, or some effort to help us end this? Or are we just going to keep doing this thing where we ask for you to hear us and then you dismiss us?

[hoary garden]

This is perhaps the single most unfortunate response you could have given.

Best of luck to you.

[turbid kayak]

It's really honestly feeling its just, "you need to respect us", and the respect is gained by just reversing the twitter ban? Where is the solution?

[indigo girder]

the balance has enough tact to write a response which outlines their reasoning healthily and not dismiss and near attack every user who says anything against it.

if they engage with their users it's done more respectfully than this has been, at large. and the balance community is notable more 'toxic' than here is, no shade to the balance.

again, it would be nice if Allamorph were addressed in a more productive manner but i guess enough has been demonstrated with 'no'

@ornate pelican this never ran its course because you've never spoken more than a sentence unless its denial about money or something unrelated.

it would have ran its course days ago if you spoke with openness, tact and warmth but you've shown very clearly how little your userbase and their views mean to you.

but i can appreciate you not responding to questions that are more difficult than direct facts about how things function in reality, as opposed to opinions or their views of your decisions.

the lack of true engagement i think says enough about what to expect from this server at large, and i'd encourage anyone who cares about this to not talk about this issue here anymore.

@plucky niche that largely means you

[onyx shale]

At this point there probably isn't left anything to discuss then

The mods view are if you don't like the decision then just leave, which is great for creating an echo chamber in a so called community focused discord

Regarding the suggestion that people apply for mod if they want to make a difference. If I have any sense of self principles, I sure as hell won't be putting in an application for mod, when you're expected to express support the collective mods decisions publically whether you agree with it or not. Sounds too much like a political party to me for my liking

[plush star]

As someone who has been watching from the sidelines, nothing short of a full reversal seems to be enough for some of you, and even telling you that your feedback has been received but the team disagreed leads to you saying your feedback is being ignored and you're being disrespected, at some point you have to accept that you and the mod team aren't gonna see eye to eye on this, and just move on, you can't strongarm the team to bend to what you want them to do

[ornate pelican]

There will be no reversal of this rule. And if people can’t accept that and want to continue to run themselves in circles then by all means. There will be no budging. There will be no changes. I’m not sure how many different ways I have to say it. The answer to “how about” is No.

[lavish umbra]

Tbh the discord has felt less and less like community focus is a thing at times

[icy cypress]

I mean this is normal its a freaking discord server
Changes happen
People leave
New people will take their place

[onyx shale]

If there will be no changes, then at the very least take down the feedback form. Leaving up and saying that feedback is still open when you're not going to make any changes is... just ew on so many levels

[turbid kayak]

Great changes did happen due to community choices, for example some channel changes, and making the beginners hub, forums for tech support and such.

There isn't much administration for a discord server to be a community than people being there and talking on discord.

Rule enforcement to ensure that those channels don't get misused like questions and beginner lounges.

[fading plank]

Some noble souls believe that staff may see reason if they just tell them that their politics have no place here often enough
I also believed this because surely at some point you'd consider it, but staff is incapable of seeing their actions for what they are bc they genuinely believe they should speak for everyone in their community on what is and isn't ok to support.

Make no mistake. This is a political decision. It's disrespectful and harmful to artists on top of that, but it's largely a way to express a moral stance, which is ok when you do it for yourself, and not if you force it on everyone else.
No, it doesn't make it less bad if the intent is good. Leave us out of your politics.

Now of course the answer here is "well it's our server and we decided it's best so either accept it or leave", so I'm happy to announce (staff get ready to cheer!) that you're completely right!
I don't need anybody who mocks their userbase in private to force me to play by their rules, so I'm leaving. I genuinely hope this change inconveniences you and you'll be forced to bear with it because going back on it would hurt your pride.

Anyway everyone else here was really cool and the joke earlier made me laugh, it was worth it.

[plush star]

they did say they allowed screenshots due to feedback, likewise we on the subreddit side disallowed screenshots due to feedback, but it was stated before that feedback form went up that reversal was not one of the options being considered

[indigo girder]

as eanae for all intents and purposes control the largest en xiv discord, the near sole fully functioning xiv bot for discord, and the largest en xiv subreddit.

her voice is the sole voice deciding any major decisions within the en xiv community.

as what she controls is used by such a significant portion of the userbase.

i think people have good reason for doubting her words, along wishing for a proper response from her.

the lack of one says enough for me to encourage anyone who cares to leave this here and realise that you won't get anything from her. and her mods are the only ones who are able or willing to engage with you in any productive manner.

again, i'd suggest you all leave it here.

[icy cypress]

They have been pretty clear that they are looking for feedback on how to work with the ban and not if they should remove it

[ornate pelican]

This isn’t the largest FFXIV EN discord. That would be Balance at almost double our size.

[meager sluice]

that allowance can be taken away at any moment, to be fair.

[empty arrow]

The announcement post even says that + other social platforms are under consideration of being banned

[onyx shale]

At the very least they're open upfront about the possibility now, instead of a sudden rug pull a few days in

[plucky niche]

The solution was outlined in Allamorph's post, if you read it. We are not asking for the twitter ban to go away, we are asking for honest discussion on equal footing and a solution to the problem we all agree with.

To @ornate pelican. Your lack of willing to engage us with respect - and do not speak to me of 'you do not do what i want so you don't respect me', I see what you write and I see what you mistakenly drop in this channel instead of your staff chat then immediately delete. Your lack of respect is palpable, and it is clear that you treat us as an annoyance and 'the ones in the wrong'. It has been clear since day 1 and it is still clear now. Your inaction is not acceptable, and your interaction with us less so. Your lack of empathy even now is frankly alarming and I feel more than comfortable in my stance. You set a poor example to your moderation team of how to foster trust from the community.

I will not be applying for moderation in order to suggest change, as if I am not made a pariah already, I am certain based on what I have factually seen that any attempt to make such change as a moderator would also make a pariah of me. Despite this, I will be sure to take this as a lesson in how not to operate in my moderation ventures elsewhere.

Regardless of what occurs as a result of this, I wish you the best of it, and I hope you remember these posts made in good faith and respect for a long time to come. To the moderators under you, you deserve better than this situation, and I hope to those of you who do not agree with what has gone on this weekend that you find some comfort here or elsewhere that you are not the focus of this criticism.

[indigo girder]

we're aware, eanae.

we've covered the balance and it being bigger, you know the issues with that as does anyone who thinks about it.

again, you don't respond to anything else you can't easily refute in a sentence.

you understand very well your control and power over the whole en xiv community.

i hope others are just as aware of how many fingers in how many pies you have in the en xiv community for the last 8 years and how much is defined by your word, near alone.

edit: did i or anmyone say you controlled the balance or are you just saying more things to muddy the waters?

[ornate pelican]

If you think I have any influence over Balance policy I really don’t know what to tell you.

[timid pilot]

I’ll spell it out real quick and dip.

You said Eanae has the largest English FFXIV discord server.

She does not.

[turbid kayak]

There is no such thing as "we all agree on". Never. There has to be a line set. Else noone would be satisfied. And that line was set.

Else that line you want to "all agree on" would be your or someone else opinion to remove the ban. Which some also "would not all agree to".

[icy cypress]

@plucky niche @indigo girder so whats the goal here just bashing in on the server admin until they leave the server ? Its been pretty clear that the ban stands for a while now.

[nocturne geyser]

/shrug I'm asking for the twitter ban to go away; and an apology for such a bad decision implemented without consulting the community it affects

[plush star]

"and how much is defined by your word, near alone." - that's just deep into conspiracy theories kiseia, several regular mods have already told you these discussions were made with the rest of the staff

From your very first message in this channel you've been attacking Eanae's character and only once (today) did she ask you to stop that, I'm not sure what do you think personal attacks based on conspiracy theories will accomplish here

[lavish umbra]

It sounds like the decision was already made before the poll was a thing tbh

[plucky niche]

Oh, and while I was originally going to let this be my last word and bow out gracefully, I forgot to add this one from my mind and it was too good to let stay there.

I will, as you so kindly said the other day, endeavor to act in a way 'where I can do better'. And I hope it will take me less than 3 paragraphs.

Be well, and I hope one day you realise the import of how you have addressed us.

oh and @icy cypress don't paint me as a troll, it's unbecoming.

[indigo girder]

i apologise, unfortunately i made a factual error.

forgive me that it’s the only thing responded to by eanae.

the lack of proper responses to anyone that continue are frankly just - they just are at this point.

@icy cypress i think as everyone’s spoken about the issue goes beyond the ban at this point.

@plush star she owns kupo bot and the patreon is in her name, the controls the subreddit but technically isn’t head mod, she owns this server to the point she can literally never leave.

its not a conspiracy theory to say that she can make near any executive decision that will affect the whole en xiv community if she chooses.

[ornate pelican]

Reseph owns the subreddit, not me. Stop making blatantly wrong accusations anyone can check. This is your last warning about this. Next time you will be removed.

[misty temple]

a) when you take a drastic action that so directly violates the community's freedom to share information without sufficient justification, i'm not sure why you expect people to go along quietly and accept that. and the "compromise" that was implemented after significant rightful backlash is meaningless if it can all be taken back at the drop of a hat.
b) "watching from the sidelines" while being directly involved with making the decision that the community as a whole never asked for doesn't make you any less culpable for the poor moderation and communication.
c) it doesn't matter if we're being told our feedback has been received or not, because at the end of the day it's all tossed out in the name of moral grandstanding. when has imposing one's beliefs on another ever ended positively in the course of human history?

so excuse us if we're being loud about it. if the mod team won't care to listen to the community before deciding what they think is acting in the best interests of the community then they don't deserve to hold that title. same goes for every other community that has ever existed.

cheers.

[icy verge]

[modern jacinth]

We argued it for a few days initially before coming to consensus between us, and even a few months before that which we chose not to ban at the time till certain things happened. Which was kind of a kick in the pants to all of us to move forward on it and even then not all of us agree on the ban but we're going forward with it regardless.

[onyx shale]

Thank you for being honest that not all the mods agree with it. Every other statement by the mod team makes us believe that it was a grand unanimous agreement by all mods

[ornate pelican]

It was a majority of the mods but not unanimous.

[nocturne geyser]

From your very first message in this channel you've been attacking Eanae's character actually wrong btw even if you only consider the first message from them in this channel to be on the 24th instead of november last year (which it was)

[lavish umbra]

This is a much better response than any other staff response by far, thank you

[wheat shuttle]

I have no horse in this race but I think giving a survey filled by 100 something people any weight, in a community of over a quarter million, is cherry picking

[modern jacinth]

i choosing words for once instead of punching someone's face in which is my common tactic...

[ornate pelican]

Staff vote was 72% ban 28% no ban.

[indigo girder]

the controls the subreddit but technically isn’t head mod

i said that in my message eanae????

i said the truth and i don’t like being accused of lying when i literally said… what you said i didn’t say.

and then being threatened to be banned for saying something i DID say.

that’s really rough

[ornate pelican]

Alabomb controls the subreddit currently so what you’re saying is still wrong.

[modern jacinth]

i was the first vote on that poll too btw. And i voted ban for it.

[hollow fjord]

but why not make it a community poll for the people actually affected by it

[plucky niche]

Thank you for the transparency, it's refreshing.

I can't help but compare that to the last few days where all detractors but a few of us who aren't too affected by this sort of discourse have bowed out in exasperation, but what do I know.

[onyx shale]

Just pointing out that banning kiseia will give the wrong optics. Earlier the r/ffxivdiscussion owner, in this channel, practically called anyone who protests the ban a fascist supporter and was only muted. If that doesn't warrant a ban but kiseia does, it gives the perception that being an admin/supporting the ban gives you leeway when interacting with people here

[plush star]

it is a conspiracy theory because you don't understand how the teams operate, "she can do x" is meaningless when she never has done so in all these years, has no plans to do so, and has always respected discussion and decisions between the staff team, even when she personally disagrees, you're fearmongering about what she could potentially do

And for the record Reseph and Alabomb have never forced any choice on the subreddit team either

[surreal shuttle]

I’m pretty sure we did say that the first few days

[turbid kayak]

Um, i was pretty sure this was communicated every time "there was a poll". And a poll isn't 100%.

[modern jacinth]

also, the moderators were normal members too before.

and i quite literally reworded what Blitz said in my own manner i guess

[nocturne geyser]

is everyone who gets things wrong going to get a ban/kick or just the people who are arguing with you? Because even if it applies just to this topic, that's going to mean a few less moderators lmao

[versed mauve]

im gonna be honest i respect the balance's announcement, because they made a short and to the point message stating a) what they are doing, b) why they are doing this, c) their symapthies that it makes things more annoying to the user base, and d) directly linking an alternative to help people and suggestions on how to still post content with credit. as opposed to this server's actions of "hey guys we're doing this because it's morally right. also don't discuss politics." to "ok we're putting up a short poll" to "ok sorry we said some bad things to our own members we didn't mean it" to "anyway the update is going live in X hours" to "ok HERE'S some actual suggestions on what you can do". like i know you've been hearing all about this fumble lately but please learn from this

[modern jacinth]

i'm just too stupid and blunt to make a sentence that can be misconstrued though

fuck

[drowsy siren]

Damned if they do, damned if they don't. That's all this is lol

[indigo girder]

reseph, alabomb, you're second on the list of reddit mods.

you have a lot of power and can make executive decisions due to your control of this discord and kupo. let alone other things.

regardless of how you frame it.

@plush star i own a partnered discord and have ran and moderated many subreddits and elsewhere - i'm very aware.

i'd encourage you to look at how users were spoken to early on within this discussion #discord-feedback message

[lavish umbra]

Wait he only got a mute? Damn, I've seen people get banned for less than that

[empty arrow]

All the people responsible can go back to not being active in their respective discords after this so that’s nice

[silent flower]

In fairness, the Balance also had the benefit of hindsight to the discussions here

[fiery jackal]

Nah ppl have been muted for even more insane messages so far in this convo. They’re being lenient

[modern jacinth]

so can we just calm this down and stop doing this?

[ornate pelican]

I’ve known balance was going to be banning since Thursday of last week. But I don’t announce their changes for them.

[pallid owl]

of one hour, the same duration as me, when I (admittedly rudely) basically told them to fuck off and never say that to me or anyone else again

which is bullshit imo but I'm beyond either caring or taking that personally

[nocturne geyser]

maybe I'm just crazy but it sounds like something that split the modteam and affects the community should be voted on by the community it affects

[hollow owl]

cleave you're an awesome mod but I don't think this is gonna end anytime soon until this chat is restricted with a lengthy slowdown or straight up closed. this has gone on for several days and no side is gonna be happy at all

[surreal shuttle]

Privately the moderation team is never fully in agreement about most policy things

This isn’t abnormal

[timid axle]

Hey, I think your bias is showing

[modern jacinth]

[autumn parrot]

!mute 170725015308730369 12h

[ancient gale]

Success!

@timid axle has been muted by @autumn parrot for 12 hours!

[onyx shale]

Look, why can the ffxivdiscussion owner needle us like this with no repercussion. This is after a 1h mute. Just pointing out the optics

Edit: thank you tess

[ancient gale]

Warning issued for spookhetti_sauce on Final Fantasy XIV

Reason: I get you want to be funny, but this isn't the time, place, or anything else.
​

Issued By: tessiachan

[indigo girder]

@modern jacinth i pretty much agree. with what they said. it's better if you and others don't get anymore involved.

i wish people just stopped talking here for the same reasons eanae has said, honestly.

it's going in circles and those who are more passionate or care about feeling heard are just being hurt, over and over.

[ornate pelican]

I have reset slow mode to 6 hours so any issues can be brought up but this conversation is now over. If it leaks into other channels mutes will be handed out.

[nocturne geyser]

okay the #discord-feedback channel can't be used to give feedback. Yeah that makes sense

[lavish umbra]

Sounds about right

[pallid owl]

https://tenor.com/view/yourarchivist-orange-bunny-bunny-bunny-rub-bunny-pet-gif-8698959216037485971

[plucky niche]

Oh I suspect if that was the case I'd be gone days ago. lmao

Humility goes a long way i guess.

While I am deeply regretful that a fruitful conclusion couldn't come, and it instead ended up as an impromptu server competition of endurance of 'who can appeal to a brick wall for the longest', even I have my limits, and I'm done trying to help y'all make a decision everyone can be proud of.

I've learned a lot, so thank you all for that. I wish those with the best intentions the best times. Be kind.

[shy wasp]

Now i remember, this same exact scenario happened with the game that should not be named. So better to just drop it because nothing is going to happen.

[pearl halo]

We all knew something like this would happen ever since Musk took over, we're better off just accepting this and move on. Eventually more and more people will join bluesky and things will kinda return to normal.

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for erthbro_46978

@torpid copper has been banned by dihn for the following reason:

Transphobia

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[ornate pelican]

In case people think sending me death threats will get you anywhere ^

[merry ore]

I’m sorry that happened, that’s unbecoming of anyone at all in this server to do (I’m being sincere)

[kind inlet]

I think the conclusion at this point is that feedback on other matters dealing with the discord should be prioritized here, while feedback on the specific issue of the Twitter ban will likely not move the needle any further.

[indigo girder]

for many of you, please use this slow mode to not speak here even once your 6hrs is up.

i appreciate the proper responses and engagement many of you have given, especially hiccup & tess.

unfortunately with the way this discord, its bots and reddit are connected, the ability to have an honest voice within whatever community you're party in is difficult.

communicating healthily with the mod team doesn't seem likely to change. i feel that has unfortunately made many view this discord and the team at large differently, and i'm concerned this is something that will continue. the ban of twitter was a catalyst more than anything else, it seems.

i'll just also add a part about bluesky here and why im upset at its constant recommendation.

bluesky isn't the saviour it appears to be. your blocks, likes, etc are all public there. your dms are not e2e encrypted and are stored solely at bluesky's servers. you can't remove followers even if you block them. you can't remove yourself from block or mass follow lists, either.

due to it being a public benefit company we do not (and you cannot find out) who owns it.

privacy is near non existence on the platform, even if you lock your account from non logged in users. you can make a login as anyone, it's near completely unrestricted.

because of this and a few other reasons, there is near nothing they can do about ai scraping or ai training - in fact it's easier than on twitter or reddit.

bluesky is still hosted in the usa, where the owner of twitter holds significant power. i can't imagine he's a big fan of it, in any way. with the way the winds are blowing currently there's a lot of potential difficulties coming its way.

i would place no bets on its longevity. even if i trust the people running its hearts are in the right place.

just take care of yourselves, all of you.

particularly those of who just wanted to feel we were heard by the team at large.

it sucks many of us felt like we weren't. but i hope going forward the team can hopefully engage with the userbase when they're hurt a bit more cohesively and warmly.

[remote spade]

I'd like to request the removal of the 'suga huh' sticker please
I'm replying to an old post so you can see I made it (a few messages below it)
Thanks

Edit: tyty

[autumn parrot]

It's removed

[little viper]

I'm getting a false positive when trying to post a link to the support center for someone in the Help channel . I can direct this to modmail if that's a better fit. Thanks!

[mighty fossil]

feedback is appropriate

[ornate pelican]

This is fixed now, thanks.

Also re: @white totem thank you

[hollow owl]

for April fools can we rename the beginner lounge into the banana lounge

[median mantle]

That may interfere with beginners looking for a channel to chat in

[ornate pelican]

We tend to keep April Fools gags from disrupting easy use of the server. Like mentioned above we likely wouldn’t do something like that.

[white bridge]

ban appeal form in channel title is a dead link

[white bridge]

you're welcome i guess

[dark hazel]

We're using a ban appeal server now. Do you need the link? nvm

[ornate pelican]

Thank you this will be fixed.

[robust musk]

Could i ask a question about the recruitment channel here? Since I'm unable to find the answer I'm looking for

[median mantle]

Probably just ask away and someone will tell you if it's the right place, but assuming it's about the rules in there, asking here or on #discord-modmail is probably the correct place

[jagged egret]

#1305770119107969044 thread is still open after a few months. Probably should be closed by now.

[ornate pelican]

Thanks, locked.

[merry ore]

Was about to tag mods

[pearl halo]

ay was just wondering, are twatter links allowed in profile descriptions? i've seen a few (Both staff and non staff members)

[surreal shuttle]

They’re allowed

[pearl halo]

oh okay, i find that kinda weird but i guess it's okay

[oak pawn]

<@&100464652139368448>

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for thyvhorikita

@stark socket has been banned by bnuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuy for the following reason:

spambot

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[pearl halo]

Someone I know was banned here and did nothing wrong because someone stalked him in the past and impersonated him

[half vigil]

you can follow the instructions on how to open a modmail in our #discord-modmail channel, or share the ban appeal's server to them: https://discord.gg/5vNR7yDGha

[tulip robin]

Just a heads up. The Iink posted in the FFXIV announcements channel for the Square Enix Bluesky account was an unofficial account. It has since been suspended. For posterity is it possible to get any links to that page updated?

This is the correct official account:

https://bsky.app/profile/square-enix-games.com

Square Enix (@square-enix-games.com)

The Official Square Enix Bluesky page. Get the latest updates https://www.square-enix-games.com/

🎮FINAL FANTASY VII Rebirth is available on Steam and Epic Games Store now!
🎮Dragon Quest III: HD-2D Remake is available now!

Bluesky

[surreal shuttle]

Fixed

[long ridge]

I wanted to bring up that the discord server description may be contributing to new people assuming this is an official server when they come in with issues or questions especially as respects account issues. Very easy to confuse that it's official for the game itself and not for the subreddit only; my suggestion is that the word "official" in the description isn't needed at this point and could be dropped to increase clarity and reduce confusion. Could also be reworded to change placement of the word official if not wanting to drop the word completely

[pearl halo]

aye i'd second this, that happened to me when i first joined

[gray nexus]

We will talk about it

[untold sequoia]

Hi there, sorry for getting back to this so late 😅, we've decided that we're not going to change the description of the server at this time, though thank you for bringing it to our attention

[zinc jay]

!faq expacjobs isnt updated with vpr or pct

[ancient gale]

Expansion Jobs and How to Unlock Them

Heavensward Expansion Jobs: Dark Knight (Tank), Astrologian (Healer), and Machinist (Ranged DPS).
These jobs start at level 30 and require completion of the level 50 main scenario quest 'Before the Dawn'
Quest Unlock Locations:
Dark Knight - Pillars (13,8).
Astrologian - Pillars (15,10).
Machinist - Foundation (8,10).

Stormblood Expansion Jobs: Red Mage (Caster DPS) and Samurai (Striking Melee DPS). These jobs start at level 50 and require a disciple of war or magic job at level 50.
Quest Unlock Locations:
Red Mage - Ul'dah - Steps of Thal (14,17).
Samurai - Ul'dah - Steps of Nald (9,9).

Shadowbringers Expansion Jobs: Gunbreaker (Tank) and Dancer (Ranged DPS). These jobs start at level 60 and require ownership of the Shadowbringers Expansion and a disciple of war or magic job at level 60.
Quest Unlock Locations:
Gunbreaker - New Gridania (11.5,12).
Dancer - Limsa Lominsa Lower Decks (9,12).

Endwalker Expansion Jobs: Reaper (Maiming Melee DPS) and Sage (Healer). These jobs start at level 70 and require ownership of the Endwalker Expansion, as well as a Disciple of War or a Disciple of Magic at level 70.
Quest Unlock Locations:
Reaper - Ul'dah - Steps of Nald (12.8,8.6).
Sage - Limsa Lominsa Lower Decks (9.4,12.9).

[gray nexus]

thank u for pointing that out

[half vigil]

The individual <expac>jobs faq is up though

Dtjobs

[hushed echo]

Feedback, getting rid of discord hack links like above..? Lol

[autumn parrot]

If you're still seeing any links in this channel from hacked accounts then you're using something to see deleted messages and should clear those for yourself

[merry ore]

Asked about it in general last night, could we update the howaboutno command with Ryne and Gaia since they’re both 17, and not in the list?

[gray nexus]

We can ask the lore mentors about it

[dry compass]

How about rearranging it to Subreddit Official Final Fantasy XIV Discord 😄

[gray nexus]

That’s literally the same name as it is now just some words are swapped it won’t make any difference

[dry compass]

it would move subreddit in front of official and make it more obvious

[gray nexus]

We considered this but again it wouldn’t really change anything people will mistake this as the official discord regardless of word order

[pearl halo]

well i mean word order can make quite a difference in a sentence, and like i said, i thought this was the official server for the longest time myself when i first joined

[median mantle]

It's already pretty big anyway, doubt someone will join some 300 member discord claiming to be the subreddit discord (nor do I think most discord users will care that it's a subreddit discord)

Not sure what the supposed benefit is labeling it as such when it's causing quite a bit of confusion among new members that think it's a official discord

Labeling it "r/ffxiv Discord" would do the same thing

[urban bison]

I agree, including the word "Official" just leads to more confusion for any new players who are joining thinking they may get support from the game's staff, rather than information from fans of the game. Removing it would make it more apparent it's a fan-run server

[zinc jay]

At the risk of causing another argument (lol) I'll throw in my take too. You guys should absolutely figure out how to properly get rid of "official" from the name. I incredibly frequently see people in #questions-and-help who ask for GMs or things that only square enix can do thinking this server is official or they can circumvent official channels by asking here. Also not to mention the infamous game awards incident.

Also not to mention.... I suspect a lot of new users mistreat staff in part due to them thinking they are squenix staff and can't actually do anything back. While this weeds out shitty users I don't think it's fair to staff who do have to deal with it. Amusingly I've had people say this sort of thing to me. It isn't a major issue but when people come in looking to rage about a CS issue thinking people here are square enix employees it kind of sucks.

[autumn fjord]

why not phrase it like r/ffxiv | Unofficial Final Fantasy XIV Discord ?
it'll fit in with the link description formatting, it'll reduce the chances of people thinking we're SE affliated, and it won't decenter the subreddit's importance/connection to this server. you could even add a nice r/ffxiv wordmark into the server banner with the cute moogle art
feels like every single week i see people correcting users who assume that they're talking to SE staff or are worried about posting content related to third party tools.

[full escarp]

New player here (almost 2 weeks) - totally thought this was the official one

I dont get angry or upset over little things, so i guess ill just have 2 ff14 discords now haha

[hollow fjord]

as far as im aware,there is no official SE affiliated FFXIV discord, which honestly just makes the use of the word Official in the server description more confusing

(why is there a 6 hour slowmode again?)

[median mantle]

Yeah there's no official XIV discord which definitely contributes to the confusion

[distant steeple]

Kind of unfortunate, that. I get not every company wants to deal with it, but something official would be nice.

[round gull]

They have their official forums ran by sqex under sqex domain, they have no reason to operate another “discussion board” especially not on a foreign company

[wheat shuttle]

I’d be lying if I said I haven’t had to address this confusion in gen discussion before, it feels like an easy fix tbh

[azure gate]

Tbh just change the words up to "The subreddit's official discord server"

[long ridge]

-# That sounds like a pretty elegant solution especially if there was an aversion, for some reason, to include r/FFXIV in the title

[gray nexus]

I do. It wish for u all to talk against a wall so I’ll pass your suggestions to the other mods and we can discuss it again

[median mantle]

If it helps, here's a non exhaustive list of times people thought this was an official discord (in the last 6-ish months or so):
#beginner-lounge message
#questions-and-help message
#general-discussion message
#general-discussion message
#questions-and-help message
#questions-and-help message
#general-discussion message
#questions-and-help message
#questions-and-help message
#general-discussion message
#beginner-lounge message

Including at least one explicitly mentioning the server description:
#beginner-lounge message

[zinc jay]

To expand upon the list above:
#general-discussion message
#glamour-discussion message
#beginner-lounge message
#beginner-lounge message
#endgame-lounge message
#general-discussion message
#general-discussion message

Also needless to mention the game awards incident. Like, that specifically happened because this server was mistaken for being official and run by square enix.

[ornate pelican]

That's not what happened at all and it caught everyone completely off guard including Discord themselves.

I've removed official from the description regardless. It'll likely take search engines time to update.

[median mantle]

That should hopefully help with the confusion, thanks

[pearl halo]

ooh yes that should definitely help

[long ridge]

Right on, I think that'll definitely help with the mix-ups thank you for considering the feedback

[vocal swan]

I'm not sure how possible this is, but maybe when someone joins the server for the first time, they can be sent a message by kupo bot telling them about #questions-and-help and #beginner-lounge . I always feel a bit bad when they ask in gen chat and they don't get an answer

[eager stone]

i think not everyone who joins is a sprout and/or want questions answered, the channels are also clearly named and if their question in #general-discussion get buried, they can move and ask in those channels

[icy cypress]

Hi

I have a wish that moderators before "warning" ( a 12 hour mute) someone for their opinion
would actually first talk to the person they wanna mute especially if instead of engaging with the person they just take other players modmail reports for granted no matter how overblown the accusations are. Especially in #endgame-lounge were as moderators have told me serious and non serious dicussion of endgame content is allowed and endorsed. Since as Server rule 1 says:

1. Be respectful
   It is the first rule because it is the most important. Be respectful of other users and their opinions.

Their appears to be a thin line that is not written down anywhere what the moderators consider "non serious" discussion and what is instead misinformation.
This server is as the internet a hodgepodge of multiple nationalities and different levels of English proficiency so in my opinion there should atleast be some leeway in first talking to a person if what they are saying is serious or not and given them a chance to explain themselves.

This would make for a much healthier discord culture were people don't have to fear to write their own opinion in a non serious in case someone reports and mutes them without ever getting a chance to explain themselves to either the reporter or the mod doing the muting.

[prime edge]

hi !
sorry to bother but can someone tell me who made this this sticker "risky derp" on server? >.<

[timid pilot]

I think either @gloomy grove drew it themselves as it’s their character, or they commissioned it from someone else

[gloomy grove]

I commissioned it years ago but tbh I don't remember the original artist. I'll try digging later.

[zinc jay]

i feel like #1012400549007732786 should be moved up into the main ffxiv category so its more visible

[long ridge]

I agree tho i also wanna give a suggestion that the category Meta FFXIV Content might fit better if nudged up above Non FFXIV in the category rankings since it's far more relevant to the server topic

[gritty pond]

yeah, I always thought it was odd that the channel listing goes from FFXIV content to non FFXIV content then back to FFXIV content

[gray nexus]

Ill pass it along <3

[eager stone]

While the order of the channels may seem odd at first, older members may remember that putting Non-XIV before Meta XIV Content is due to the recurring problem of regulars talking about off topic discussion in channels meant for XIV, so the category was moved up to remind regulars that offtopic channels exists 😅

Since the change, it has been working well for us and we'd like to keep it that way for now. As for #1012400549007732786 , we did make an #announcements for it to remind people to talk there, and have instructed fellow staff to direct Cosmic Exploration discussion there as well

[next oar]

I often see this channel lighting up indicating new message, but whenever I open I don't see any new one coming in. Is it the discord being wonky or is it something like a spam message that's being deleted as they come in?

[eager stone]

you guessed correctly; its the latter

especially if you see a mod kick someone for compromised accounts in #general-discussion 😅

[coarse relic]

hey hey! is there a list of prohibited words? I'm trying to post my fc in the fc recruitment and there apparently is a word that is banned in there and I wanna know what I need to scrub. 🙂

[neat sparrow]

if you are using the discord hidden link formatting it's probably that

we do that to prevent phishing scams

[pearl halo]

I said this to a mod prior to knowing this was a thing
But i believe a command that suggests a new player should use a refferal code with the website saying what rewards you get for using one as a new player https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/friend_recruit/

[turbid kayak]

!faq raf ?

[ancient gale]

Recruit-a-Friend

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/friend_recruit/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivraf

[lean frigate]

hi

[violet plinth]

hi! this is a channel for feedback regarding the discord. if you're looking to chat, head over to #general-discussion !

[little viper]

just curious if it'd be helpful to have a role for folks to self-designate as free trial players (maybe most helpful in the help channels, not sure about elsewhere)

[gray nexus]

Usually people ask during conversations especially when help is needed if players are ft or not however I can still forward the idea and let you know what conclusions we reach

[hoary garden]

I think it's sort of a self-redundant concept, personally. Not necessarily a bad idea because it wouldn't actively harm anything, but there are really only two situations. Either a person shows up to ask a single question and leaves, in which case they'll typically either say or we'll get there via questioning; or a person stays in the community, at which point everyone who knows them also knows they're FT.

[gray nexus]

I’ll forward this regardless a discussion costs us nothing

@little viper as it turns out this has been discussed in the past and as a team we back then came to the following conclusions

1. No one really checks roles (as seen by how many people aren’t aware they talking to someone from EU / NA / JP or OCE )

2. This server already hosts a bunch of different roles which leads to role bloat which is something we generally try to avoid

3. People can add Free trial to their name if they so desire which is more visible to the nacked eye

On top of that adding such a role may lead to a type of discrimination while this may seem unlikely stupid people exists and thus the possibility of such actions is a reality which also weighted into our conclusion

[charred arrow]

Personally speaking I don't really look at people's roles that much. I know the colors but don't really check each individual one. This leads to stuff like me not realizing the reason a person is having bad queues is because they're on dynamis because I didn't check if they have that roll.

What I'm trying to say is that even if we had a free trial role I'm not sure people would go check it whenever they were giving advice or whatever.

I'm sure some people do make it more of a habit and maybe if we did have one I would too but it just doesn't seem as important. At worst it's just asking them if they're on FT or adding something like "if you're not on free trial" to an answer.

[autumn fjord]

people are free to just put 🌱 in their name anyway

[gray nexus]

mhm exactly

[ornate pelican]

We’ve discussed the potential of using sprout role icons but we’d have to add them for other things or everyone would pick the role just to get the icon.

[little viper]

Yeah, one of my first concerns was the potential for discrimination, and that makes sense about folks not checking roles (there's often a rush to answer questions without checking roles, and sometimes roles are inaccurate anyway). I appreciate the quick and thoughtful response and consideration! the 🌱 icon has always come off as "sprout"/new player to me and not necessarily free trial

[jagged egret]

<@&100464652139368448>

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for linagarcia0055

@atomic bronze has been banned by nhadalaa for the following reason:

scam

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[dry river]

Question for the server, is it possible to ad an "omni-role" tag to the recruitment? its kinda rare but there are some ppl who play all the roles.

[cosmic ledge]

We need a "FLOW" discord tag

[hollow owl]

im not sure where the best place to be to ask this so I'll ask here, what's with the "MEOW" tag that I see on some people's names and how exactly did they get that tag next to their name?

[umbral fog]

those are guild tags https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/23187611406999-Guilds-FAQ

[median mantle]

Since guilds are deprecated it's probably the server tag thing now: https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/31444248479639-Server-Tags

You can select them (if any of your discords have them set) on your profile at the bottom
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/837629517744177154/1370511771500023928/1746825819_2eaecb26c2.png?ex=681fc40d&is=681e728d&hm=6acb23e03bb5106ae607a8bafb10fffcf6f9be5dfb8c1d44297ca4d691474205&

[fossil moss]

Regarding server tags, I have seen some users use NSFW guild tags. If possible, perhaps a mute until they change it to something appropriate or remove it?

[neat sparrow]

modmail us and we can review it, we can't catch them all unfort

[kind inlet]

Where's the right place to bring up the DomoAI bot that needs to get banned? https://bsky.app/profile/twiggies-draws.bsky.social/post/3lppkzbdxz22a

EDIT TO ADD: Yeah, reading more into that thread, it's sounding like this isn't a move that'll actually do anything, and the AI bot isn't really getting backdoored in by Discord itself. Hard to parse what exactly IS going on, but I guess if something becomes more clear I'll give a heads up. No action needed I guess?

Twiggies (@twiggies-draws.bsky.social)

-# ↩ Twiggies (@twiggies-draws.bsky.social)
More on this btw. Potential way to kick it from your servers.

The ID is
1153984868804468756

Remember, never believe an AI bot's claims that they won't train your stuff without permission. They will.

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Bluesky · May 21, 2025, 9:42 PM

[keen patrol]

i'm pretty sure this is not how discord bots work
it's listed when using "remix" on an image, it's not a user in the server. at the very least, banning the account doesn't stop the option from showing up

[limpid mural]

Yeah banning bots doesn't block their app commands if they're not coming from the server to begin with. Mods can disable the "external apps" permission, but even that doesn't stop it from being used, it just makes the output private.

[median mantle]

If Discord wants them to have access then they will get access, no amount of banning will prevent that unless discord offers you a button to turn it off.

[dark hazel]

Yeah, we have seen this floating around and the initial reports were mainly fear-mongering. We are gonna keep an eye on this if it ends up being a canary in the coal mine for further enshittification.

[zinc jay]

Modmail seems broken/nonfunctional rn

[gray nexus]

Thanks for letting us know 🫡 dunno if it’s fixed by now but I’ll pass it along

[proud summit]

Hi,
Sorry to bother you people but I don't know where to contact moderation to report a scam bot. Can anyone point me on the right direction?

[timid pilot]

#discord-modmail

[humble pecan]

Having a voice chat section seems like a nice way for us to connect. Have we had any voice channels yet on this server?

[little viper]

they have in the past, yeah

[carmine rivet]

They're impossible to moderate and therefore not feasible for a discord of this size.
#announcements message

[thorny lantern]

There was no way to check what people said in the voice channels, so if anyone said any racial slurs or any sexist shit we wouldn't be able to know about it unless we also sat in there and with a discord as big as this, we would have to have several available mods always sitting in the voice channels 24/7 to police it, it is not feasable.

[charred arrow]

<@&100464652139368448>

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for kaz89

@dreamy meteor has been banned by fliegar for the following reason:

Scammer

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[oak pawn]

<@&100464652139368448>

[fathom bough]

Is there a way to change the FC Lodestone ID? Kupo Bot is detecting a different FC for some reason. If anyone can get back to me on this here or in a DM, I'd very much appreciate it ^^

[eager stone]

hello! you'd need to contact the kupo bot devs for support help related to the bot https://discord.gg/4dpPFcWURA

[violet plinth]

<@&100464652139368448>

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for kakmos

@elder island has been banned by fliegar for the following reason:

Scammer

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[wraith marten]

Hi sorry if this has been suggested before but I think it would be cool if we had game channels like "would you rather" and "counting" and choice bot etc. Just a suggestion & I think we'd be a bit more active

[grave orchid]

i feel that's very gimmicky and don't do much for activity. its what a lot of large servers do to try and keep members but i dont feel they are effective or useful at all
and also this server imo is perfectly active as it is, people just pick whatever place they want to chat in

[azure gate]

Yeah this server doesn't need any more activity. I'd prefer if it stayed more true to its intended purpose of being a social/helpful server regarding FFXIV.

[hoary garden]

Recommend adding the following caveat to the end of the armory bonus faq:
This bonus only applies to experience earned from combat, such as creature kills, dungeon bosses, and FATEs.

[jagged egret]

<@&100464652139368448>

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for matk_brian

@rancid hazel has been banned by fliegar for the following reason:

Scammer

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[gray nexus]

its been added!

[autumn parrot]

!slowmode 3600

[ancient gale]

Success!

Slowmode Updated to 3600, Kupo!

[bronze pecan]

Since theirs a bkuesky thread now . Can we add a twitter thread also ?

[keen ermine]

#announcements message

[scenic nest]

As there's gradient role colors now, is there a possibility of separating datacenter role colors again by having different secondary gradient color while keeping primary one the same like EU's red?

[hoary garden]

That's going to be the same problem as before with excessive roles required to achieve such a thing, which is why datacenter roles were rolled into regional roles.

[timid pilot]

Yeah there’s simply too many datacenters for each to have their own colors, and we’re still experimenting with the gradients

[scenic nest]

Datacenters are their own roles already though. It's just sharing same color with others of the region.

[pliant shard]

could we get the live letter translations forwarded to channels following the channel

[gray nexus]

yup

We would love to do that but discord simply wont allow for it

[timid pilot]

You can only push a single message every, what, 15 to 30 minutes?

[median mantle]

10 Publishes per hour

[coral pike]

That's brutal

[young bloom]

When a liveletter is finished can the first message from the start of the liveletter be linked in #translations-and-liveletters so we dont have to scroll and find it

...oh

[opal furnace]

It's pinned

[icy sentinel]

they usually pin it

[fresh bison]

We allowing bigoted reacts now?

[median jolt]

We do not, it will be removed if it hasn't been already

[wanton karma]

It has been removed

[keen patrol]

<@&100464652139368448> (scam message, already deleted)

[misty kernel]

Why have we been pinged

[modern jacinth]

[neat sparrow]

bort

[stable cobalt]

Hello everyone. Long time fan of all FF games and former BLM from a few years ago. I want to get back into the game, but unfortunately, none of my old crew play anymore, and I'm very much out of practice. Is there anyone willing to help me get back into the swing of things?

[hoary garden]

Okay so, couple things

• this is the feedback channel, you most definitely want places like #questions-and-help, #beginner-lounge, or #general-discussion, or even #dps-lounge for black mage (and other dps) stuff =)
• this game community really doesn't do personalised tutoring, BUT you are more than welcome to ask any questions you have in our various channels, and someone will almost always be around and willing to help you figure things out

[violet plinth]

odds are, a scam message came in and the account was quickly banned. it's messages were deleted

[oak pawn]

<@&100464652139368448>

[blazing scroll]

hi

[little viper]

heya, if you wanna chat, there's #beginner-lounge or #general-discussion 🙂

[latent glade]

Is it possible to allow all msgs in #translations-and-liveletters to be sent via the follow option? My discord uses the screenshots and translations to, but we have to review the whole stream a second time and copy over everything because it only brings over "highlighted" msgs.

[limpid mural]

Announcement channels only allow ~10 published messages per hour

[violet plinth]

this is pinned in this channel for that exact reason

[stray yacht]

I can't open up a modmail but someone but a gif of someone abusing animal in #beginner-lounge, modmail is throwing 400 errors when trying to openticket

An unhandled error has occurred: 400 Bad Request (error code: 50035): Invalid Form Body
In embeds.0.fields.0.value: Must be 1024 or fewer in length.

[civic pier]

what

[hoary garden]

Quick question: is this channel the very first channel in the server, top to bottom, in which the general public can post?

[keen patrol]

yep it is
(from the channels & roles section, to be sure i didn't miss anything)

[umbral fog]

This channel isnt for feedback about the game, but for feedback about the discord itself

[dim pier]

Needs more toilet paper, we ran out

[gray nexus]

Please only use this channel for either discord related feedback or serious questions regarding this discord

[south quiver]

I think there should be a role for announcements so people can pinged for the really important ones.

Edit: Are you still sure that everyone in the server can't be pinged? What was the issue with doing that?

@hoary garden Whatever server specific announcements the staff thinks is important enough for active users to be aware of

[hoary garden]

How do you propose differentiating between important and unimportant announcements. Is that a "staff thinks this is important" situation, or "I the user think this is important"?

Also, do you mean announcements as in server-specific announcements, or as in Lodestone news posts et cetera?

[autumn parrot]

We've considered the idea, so I can't tell you we won't but it isn't currently planned. For the time being, I would personally recommend just setting the channel to give notifications if anyone wants to be pinged for things we announce since we don't post many.

[plush patio]

Can the "no story spoilers for new patch" rule that's been recently enforced/discussed in #endgame-lounge be revised by the mod team, or at least put up to a community vote similar to how #general-discussion 's policy regarding offtopic chat was polled? It's leading to a lot of unnecessary tiptoeing, whereas previously it was much easier to talk more freely in the lounge.

The channel is already tagged for spoilers, and the line between mechanics and story content can sometimes be thin with the way conversation ebbs and flows. Obviously extensive lore or story discussion should go to their respective channels, but folks entering the channel should know it's tagged for spoilers and should avoid it on patch day if they're concerned about getting spoiled on either mechanics or story.

[median mantle]

(Technically it's not tagged for spoilers anymore due to the UK law, otherwise UK citizens would need to give discord their ID to access it)

[plush patio]

Oh totally missed that development. Disregard then

[vocal swan]

Hey I was wondering if a rule can be made that requires members too label spoilers with where it's from for each patch release within the patch thread. It's frustrating to try to engage with talking about the lore or help someone with a lore question when I'm not sure if the spoiler is from content I haven't done yet. It doesn't have to be anything fancy, just label it as "msq", "ar" or something similar depending on the type of content released.

[charred arrow]

I mean that is a rule already depending on which room you're in. But it can't be helped when people just don't put tags.
Honestly better then the people who don't even put in spoiler tags at all.

[analog otter]

I’m unable to edit the title in my FC recruitment post, or close the post. It would be better & more organized if we were able to edit our titles and make changes as needed so we only need 1 post. Now I have double posts because I can’t remove the other…

You should also allow comments. So we can bump our post & people be allowed to make inquiries if they aren’t comfortable DMing. You can set a timer for the comments as well to avoid spam.

[zenith zinc]

Might I suggest a new tag for the Recruitment forums? I am constantly recruiting for a Chaotic I run every other week, and notice you have Savage and Ultimate tags, but no other content. Would it be possible to also add "Chaotic" or "Other Raid Content" as searchable tags please?

[versed mauve]

chaotic and other endgame content like that typically have their own discords

[subtle forge]

Is this person adding you people?

[half vigil]

you can make a modmail in #discord-modmail if you have concerns

[cedar sorrel]

Hi just letting you know you have Dms turned off so we cant answer your modmail. Send us screenshots please of the person whos trying to add you

[old walrus]

i think we should be able to send messages in #discord-modmail even if we are muted or in timeout. today i got a timeout for a mistype and couldnt send a modmail either so i had to dm a mod to appeal my case!

[zinc jay]

the built in time out system doesn't allow that unfortunately. So blame discord itself not the staff. if youre manually muted by a mod you can type in modmail, though

[gray nexus]

u can also let us know if u got time outed via a typo and we can manually lift the mute but utsually we notice when it was a typo and unmute

[old walrus]

makes sense, its what i did. still felt off dming a mod lol cuz its not standard practice from what ik

[gray nexus]

yeah it isnt but blame discord for that one

[unkempt canyon]

I have all DMs available/turned on, and I haven't gotten an add from that person - Unsure if it clarifies anything for you though

[half vigil]

It's a discord limitation not something kupo or us can resolve

If you're muted that's still fine but unfortunately timeouts are out of our hands

[modern jacinth]

Ty

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for solz0558

@south grove has been banned by dihn for the following reason:

No.

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for tomoyo_6

@naive meadow has been banned by djurastakedriver for the following reason:

Art scammer, somehow not in DMs

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[vocal swan]

I would love some more funny faq commands. Maybe a server event where people can make their own ffxiv related meme for it 😄

[half vigil]

Currently as we're transitioning through some internal changes, we've put events on hold. This is a pretty fun suggestion! Thanks for sharing it and we'll definitely hold onto it for an upcoming event.

[vocal swan]

Awesome ty. I love them. They're very funny

[half vigil]

In the meantime you're always welcome to submit new ideas to us from here or #discord-modmail.

[umbral fog]

<@&100464652139368448>

[ancient gale]

Member not in server with ID 829145718584901663 has been banned by dihn for the following reason:

Bot

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for markj0052123

@frank stirrup has been banned by tessiachan for the following reason:

scam

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[brazen geyser]

I'm wondering why the server tag uses a vertical bar | instead of just saying XIV? I'd like to use the server tag, but it looks weird, especially on mobile

[median mantle]

It's how SE stylizes it in various places

[charred arrow]

You can't copyright XIV but you can X|V.

[umbral fog]

we decided to go with the stylized version to stand a bit out, since the balance uses XIV for their tag.

[untold plover]

What is the balance?

[gritty pond]

!faq balance It's a community that focuses on endgame theorycrafting and optimization in FFXIV

[ancient gale]

The Balance

Discord
Website

[hearty trail]

Is it normal I keep getting notifications from this chat even though no one has spoken in it? Like is there someone replying but mod deleting it or???

[charred arrow]

Pretty sure it is just bots or something that just get their comments automatically deleted and killed by auto-mod. Same as #server-event-discussion

[gritty pond]

Bots/compromised accounts come in, spam, get banned, and all their messages get deleted. So that's why you see activity in here when there isn't any. It's the first channel on the list that users can type in, so it's basically always going to be a spam target.

[azure gate]

I guess gonna use this channel as intended but if that's the case then create a honeytrap channel? If bots automatically go to the first available channel then just make one that has a giant warning "Do not post here, this channel exists to catch bots" and that way we can have in a channel that no one has to follow.

[violet plinth]

spam bots will spam their message in every single channel available, and some will also add as many roles as they can so they can see more channels. and if the role selection is tough enough to fool bots, it's also catching regular users
just mute the channel and turn on 'hide muted channels'

[half vigil]

It goes down the list until it gets filtered so we'd have to make like 5 to 10 extra channels for no reason.

[gritty pond]

The honeytrap thing also potentially leads to people trying it out as a joke, then getting banned. And then it requires manual review to reverse the ban. So it kinda doesn't work in practice

[hearty trail]

This might be silly…. But… what if you add a bot role (since they take every role available) and trap them that way? While making it clear to actual people never to select said role

[half vigil]

While all the suggestions above are much appreciated, please understand that we have intimately investigated and experimented with various options. This is currently one of the better solutions available at this time, with all the current limitations we have set. We also have to consider user error (which will happen more often than not even with explicit instructions [with video] through clear demarcated text) so just bear with this as it is an issue that is not of our team's highest priority

[charred arrow]

Unrelated but the worldpick faq should be updated to have Preferred Plus instead of New.

[kind inlet]

Interesting methodology for catching bots, also some other clever suggestions in the comments https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/1o2t4au/thats_clever_ngl/

[half vigil]

idk why i had to reiterate this

[kind inlet]

My apologies, I didn't clock that the conversation was about EXACTLY what I was posting.

[zinc jay]

In regards to a conversation that has taken place in #general-discussion, I think the mods should revisit a filtered terms list.

I don't mean slurs because obviously that would get taken down by any hosting service but the stuff thats less obvious that this server blocks so people have something to point to. change the wording of the rule to be like "common sense applies, no bigoted language, but here's a list of terms that might be less obvious that are banned"

[autumn parrot]

This rule was updated to reflect that very issue quite some time ago. We most likely won't ever give an exhaustive list of examples, but this is here to give some insight. If anyone ever feels like we're not filtering things as we should, they are more than welcome to open a modmail for a discussion.

[karmic stump]

Not sure if this is the right spot for this

Got a random friend request from inqwerasd11m_b423, Immediately tried to pretend to mistake me for someone else and start shilling for some mobile game.

[eager stone]

if you have the time, please submit a modmail in #discord-modmail according to the instructions, send the relevant screenshots on the 2nd reply as kupo likes to eat images being sent on the initial modmail

[rapid aurora]

Random adder, 2D/3D artist as usual, added me from here, never posted here. ok 1 hr cooldown on post so could not paste profile info. User is houseofillussion - tbh I think I may just leave this server as it is not the first time and as an active player I don't really use it. Was going to post in support but saw that was a paid service, wow. Sorry cant reply, but if the take away from this is not to address the issue I am off thanks. Bye

[median mantle]

#discord-modmail is not a paid service, not sure where you got that from

[thorny lantern]

Modmail and DMs are free, if we made them paid this server wouldn't exist anymore lmao

[oak pawn]

I think they meant the Kupo Support section, which is just a channel for ppl who support Kupo Bot or the server

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for zrytrdu_10275

@rotund edge has been banned by nhadalaa for the following reason:

bot

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[umbral fog]

<@&100464652139368448>

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for .bulucchabtan

@sonic crater has been banned by dihn for the following reason:

Bot

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[median mantle]

Would it be possible to change this to something like "The Coming Dawn (final Post-Endwalker Main Quest)"
Or to literally anything that isn't a quest name, because outside of looking it up, I don't think anyone asking about the sprout status will know what quest that is

[charred arrow]

"The last quest before starting Dawntrail" could be better then Post-Endwalker.

[tough spruce]

can we fix Kupo Bot to acknowledge Daylight Savings Time

[eager stone]

!daily

[ancient gale]

Tick, Tock, Kupo!

Time Until Daily Reset:

**<t:1762959600:F>

<t:1762959600:R>*

[eager stone]

should be correct now, thanks to impala

[zinc jay]

<@&100464652139368448>

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for gamernicholas

@fallen flame has been banned by dihn for the following reason:

Bot

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[keen patrol]

probably wanna remove the alternative cross-platform launcher from !faq altlauncher as it hasn't been updated in over 3 years
#kupo-bot-spam message

[vocal swan]

I noticed there is a dead thread and a deleted account?. I'm not sure what "???" means. Maybe it should be deleted so that it doesn't bloat the thread channel

[autumn parrot]

I cleaned up a bit in there. Definitely let us know in modmail next time you see anything like that so it doesn't get missed

[vocal swan]

Ok. I'll make sure to use modmail next time o7

[median mantle]

This channel is meant for feedback for this discord, you're better off asking in https://discord.gg/4dpPFcWURA

[vocal swan]

I hope this is the right place to ask, but at what point should you ping the administrators? I always ping moderators if someone is breaking the rules but that’s about it.

[timid pilot]

For an average user? Probably never unless you think a moderator is being very out of line. If it’s one of us Mentors that are being an issue you’ll still probably ping the mods for that or bring it up in a mod mail

[autumn parrot]

I would hope never 🫠 but we do also get moderator pings and thats why channy and I show up sometimes. Generally if its something that can reasonably be handled by a mod than thats who you should ping and if something is concerning enough to need admins but not an emergency then modmail or our dms would be the place to go

[half vigil]

@warped folio please only use this channel for actual feedback.

[half vigil]

!mute 1362962572394893582 12h

[ancient gale]

Success!

@warped folio has been muted by @half vigil for 12 hours!

Warning issued for joyce_td on Final Fantasy XIV

Reason: Already instructed to use the feedback channels properly. Not the place to mindless spam emotes
​

Issued By: channy_

[wooden sphinx]

hey i followed the #translations-and-liveletters channel on my server, but during the last LL i noticed that only the announcements and not the translation was being forwarded (presumably bc translation is done by a different account), idk if that's intended behaviour or not but if there was a way of getting the translation forwarded onto my server as well as the announcements i would love that ❤️

[hollow fjord]

not possible due to a discord limitation, discord only allows you to push once every few minutes (or something like that) so pushing every translation would be unfeasible

[timid pilot]

I think the limit is 15 messages per hour, which isn’t possible for live translation

[wooden sphinx]

ahh thank you, that's helpful to know, i will work something else out for my server

[inland sleet]

Hi, I'm wondering if I'm allowed to post a link to another ff14 community server more regional based? If so, where is a good place for it?

[soft relic]

@remote hamlet quick ping, your chat @ yt is scrolled up a bit, there's been some feedback since, wanted to make sure you saw it if you wanted it!

[molten nest]

What we do is we have threads in a spoiler channel with all the slides from the liveletter uploaded manually so those not watching can get a tl;dr

[dusty parcel]

Any chance the automodding can be toned back a little? Flippantly mentioned the name of the X man who's name apparently shall not be spoken and caught an hour timeout. I get it, we don't like him, I don't like him either, but hour timeouts for uttering a name without any other context feels unnecessarily draconian.

[eager stone]

as per rule 5 in our server, we don't allow discussion on controversial political figures in this server. the one hour mute serves as a reminder to that rule.

[urban bison]

Because of the amount of bots that enter the server just to post the same five or so images, is it possible to restrict image permissions from new users? I'm genuinely not sure if this is possible but it could help reduce the amount of bots spamming

[vocal swan]

There is a discord bot in my friend's server that has a leveling system for this. You have to be at least level 3 to post any media. While it's a good system, I don't think it would work here since many people join, just to ask questions in #questions-and-help . Those questions often have reference images. Maybe a mod can provide their insight on this though

[autumn parrot]

Actually, most if not all of the spamming accounts are compromised accounts that have been in here for years. We are of course considering ways to mitigate this, but blocking certain things for just new people wouldn't help at all. We also always try to mitigate as much inconvenience for regular users as possible, so a level system wouldn't be the most ideal here either.

[solemn crag]

If mortals were not so.......mortal maybe a bot that can scan for malicious intent?

[median mantle]

Theres no reliable way to do that

[violet plinth]

it's hard enough for people to read tone over text, i doubt a bot will be able to do it either

[icy sentinel]

you guys can read tone over text?

[violet plinth]

sometimes!

[turbid kayak]

I promote a solution to inject all our messages into chatgpt and allow it to auto-ban people

[charred arrow]

Do we even still have the wholesome channel?

[timid pilot]

It’s a thread now, but the channel proper has been removed

#1181206120723906580 message

[zinc jay]

Does the new AI rule apply to AI generated profile pics?

[surreal shuttle]

No. It’s impossible to enforce. We will still moderate for problematic pfps as we always do but beyond that having an otherwise harmless AI generated pfp won’t be directly actioned

[merry ore]

Does the new ai rule also affect the Willem Dafoe gifs?
Not saying I’ll use them but sometimes it’s hard to tell if one in the search query is altered or not

[eager stone]

That counts as memes and it's fine

[final oxide]

I agree

[bitter schooner]

I know this was posted a while ago, but bots/hacked accounts usually repost the same image across multiple channels in short succession. Which users don't do.

Maybe implement a sliding window of the last 30 messages per user (with a checksum of any contained media and image urls)? Count the number of repeated checksums. If the number of duplicates exceed XYZ amount in a specific timeframe delete the images and mute the user?

[next oar]

I think it is easier to place the honeypot channel at the very top (posting will automatically gets you banned), also will be safer if you combine it with honeypot role

[gritty pond]

The honeypot channel/role thing has been discussed and considered multiple times already and would still require manual review #discord-feedback message

[median mantle]

It may be useful to link the Linux FAQ from xivlauncher for the !faq xivlauncher command instead of the flatpak: https://goatcorp.github.io/faq/steamdeck
The new XLM method is nicer for things like the steamdeck for example, so having a list of all options is probably better

[autumn fjord]

can we have a DDoS bitching thread in #general-discussion so we can commiserate please

[timid pilot]

That’s basically just rants tbh

[mint lynx]

We need Viper and Pictomancer job icons in the emotes

[neat sparrow]

aaa

[jagged egret]

Oh yeah. The !faq gate command is out of date. It says last update was 6.3. Patch 7.4 changed the schedule a bit however.

[keen patrol]

maybe a !faq entry for extreme trials/urth's fount/bahamut?
so we don't have to explain "don't queue for those, you won't clear, the game is bad at explaining things" over and over

[vocal swan]

Yes that would be a nice addition

[outer kestrel]

Something like "Although the option to queue for high-end content (Extreme trials and Savage raids) exists, it is not advised to do so. The chances of you finding a group are slim, and random matchmaking will likely end very poorly due to these duties requiring a coordinated effort. If you're up to the challenge, seek out other like-minded adventurers via the Party Finder or through some community Discords, or join a standing group that does high-end content called a static."

Too wordy?

[empty arrow]

These bots do not show up in the member list and can only be banned via commands by their IDs. Unless you like your entire discord's data being harvested by some faceless techbro company and used to make AI slop, it's highly recommended you ban these bots from your servers and spread this far and wide to everyone you know."

(Bots can only be banned with the /ban command)

Their IDs are:
1153984868804468756
1288638725869535283
1090660574196674713
1104973139257081909```

idk how true this is but y’all know discord better than me so lol

[limpid mural]

Not true. They're user-installable apps, which is why they don't show up in the member list, and for the same reason banning the "bot" does literally nothing. They're not "in" any server, and they aren't able to read messages unless a command is called on that message by a human.

This isn't a new feature either. These types of apps have been available for like 2-3 years. Mods can disable "use external commands", but that doesn't stop users from being able to use external apps to process the image, it just hides the output.

[median mantle]

Discord also doesn't use end-to-end encryption, so if they wanted the discords messages they can trivially export it from their database without needing to "sneakily add a bot"

[median mantle]

Is there any news about updating the sprout faq? It still mentions the name of the EW main quest which is beyond useless to help someone that is new to the game, they won't know what that quest is (most old players won't know because who remembers quest names?). In my opinion its currently more helpful to just say "300 hours of playtime and finishing post ew" than using the FAQ which requires the asker to look up a quest by name first

[timid pilot]

!faq sprout

[ancient gale]

What is this <:sprout:734386482562727988> icon?

The or ‘sprout’ indicates that you are a new adventurer in the game and is only automatically removed when you have met the following criteria: 300 hours of playtime and full completion of the Post-Endwalker Main Scenario Quests, ending with the quest ‘The Coming Dawn’.
The icon can also be manually removed by typing /nastatus off into your chat. This isn’t typically recommended as it helps other players gauge your progress into the game.

[median mantle]

Great, much better, thanks!

Next question would be about the xivlauncher linux link: #discord-feedback message

[timid pilot]

I don’t have any knowledge about computer stuff so I’ll leave that to others who would know

[vocal swan]

Considering how old this announcement is, #announcements message (3 years phew), I think it should be mentioned in the #about-this-server section. I don’t believe it’s already in there, unless I missed it.

[autumn parrot]

it was added to rule 5 quite some time ago

[proud trail]

Who can we report scammers to?

[violet plinth]

#discord-modmail

[keen patrol]

bumping this again, this link is much more comprehensive than the one currently in !faq xivlauncher

[timid pilot]

The Gearcolor FAQ has been added to help explain item colors and the Quicklauncher FAQ has been updated to use an up to date Linux alternative

[median mantle]

Awesome, thanks ^^

[plush patio]

Is this discord server going to be affected by the age verification that discord is rolling out next month?

https://www.theverge.com/tech/875309/discord-age-verification-global-roll-out (paywalled but I don't want to link an archived article here - a bit of sleuthing will get around the paywall)

[hollow owl]

^^^ endgame lounge is marked as an adult only channel to prevent spoilers from escaping the channel or having the shitposts leak into channels like beginner lounge as to not create confusion or misinformation to the newer players. is this restriction going to have to be kept with the endgame lounge regulars needing to do age verification fo continue using that channel?

[half vigil]

no more children allowed in raiding
We're aware of this and are currently looking into discussing it. Hopefully we can provide an announcement as this looms over us.

[keen patrol]

endgame lounge and lore discussion are no longer marked as age restricted afaik
at least not on my end
because this already applies to UK users
#gacha-general is still age restricted, though

[grim schooner]

what’s in the gacha channel? i didn’t know FFIV had gambling? i’m new to this discord and FFIV.

[charred arrow]

It's in the "Non FFXIV" section of the server, it's just a place to talk about gacha games in general. 14 doesn't have any gacha really unless you're talking about the mobile version.

[grim schooner]

Thanks for the info 🙏

[median mantle]

Proposing this for a faq command (if Deku is fine with it) since "New to this game, any tips for starting out?" is a common question and this is a nice summary of things people tend to ask when they're new as well: #questions-and-help message
Maybe something like newplayertips?

Also maybe a faq for a quick explanation on the issue of queueing for extremes/coils? It happens a lot and typing out the usual "dont queue for extremes, minstrel ballad, urths fount or coils of bahamut" gets old quick and is also not super comprehensive as to why they shouldn't be queued for

[zinc jay]

!faq newplayertips is a command already

[ancient gale]

Official Square Enix Starter Guide Video Series

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrFWly2wJzL5IjYae4Cjc86l8eV6ZZ3D-

[median mantle]

Oh, only knew that as newplayervid

[urban bison]

This could maybe work as a pin, and from what I understand a member in #beginner-lounge has worked on this site https://kisei-personal.github.io/dont-queue-extreme-and-savage/

[charred arrow]

Following the discussion in questions/answers should we add in Directional Disregard to the positionals FAQ?

[half vigil]

We had initially discussed it back when SE provided a patch preview regarding it, and the conclusion was that it doesn't functionally serve any different purpose from the non-positional ring. So as a result we omitted it as an addition. While the use case is more clear now from SE, it's function hasn't changed so we can discuss it but be advised that changes may not be made.

[brave acorn]

Why is cloud in center black castle? Can someone let me know what is in cloud cover with black castle center all of cloud?

[merry ore]

Well this isn’t the channel for that kinda question, but that’s Garlemald, to answer you

[vocal swan]

The proper channel to ask questions is #questions-and-help

[vapid kettle]

Since the rule changes updated to included a blanket ban on all Nikke and BrownDust2 Screen shots, in game images and fanarts, baring Doro on a base to base ruling, I propose that a Blanket ban of Gacha game images is implemented, as it stands, Plenty of gacha that whilst aren't to the level of Brown Dust 2's Degeneracy can far eclipse nikke in terms of NSFW, Games like Girls Frontline 2, Girls Frontline, Wuthering Waves, Zenless Zone Zero, Honkai Star Rail, Genshin Impact, Azur Lane, as well as like minded games be added to the Image Ban, because it would vastly reduce the work load of the mod team, and they would no longer have to deliberate about if it toes the line on NSFW in the server.

[median mantle]

With my understanding of the words"far eclipse" I'm genuinely curious how Genshin, WuWa and HSR made the list considering the few nikke designs I've seen and it's most egregious expamples

[gray nexus]

I feel like naming genshin, wuwa and especially hsr as games is kinda ? Cuz they do not even remotely get close to what Nikke and BD2 are especially not hsr
Wuwa has maybe ONE sore character where you may go “?” But even then it’s really nothing in comparison and shouldn’t be included

[plush star]

it's not like the mod team woke up one day and decided to target those 2 games, just that those 2 games probably have the highest number of deleted posts over the years that crossed the NSFW line, and there's only so much time the mods will spent dealing with that, none of the other games you mentioned get NSFW content posted as often here

[wanton karma]

As it stands we have no intention of adding other games as they haven’t been problems as the 2 we have listed. And at most it’s fanart for those games which have been dealt with enough to not cause problems anymore nowadays. If you want to share pictures, DM’s will be the best alternative.

[vapid kettle]

Very well then, best wishes to the mod team, and I hope those games don't become a problem.

[eternal skiff]

Would be nice to have a channel for housing related things

[eager stone]

We did have one in the past I think but it wasn't very active. I recommend these housing focused server instead

https://discord.gg/ycEBcY2

https://discord.gg/hgxiv

[burnt citrus]

[solar moat]

can i give feedback about the Reddit? 🤔

[solar moat]

i just wish you could post images in comments sometimes 😔
like when you get those threads that are like "hey, show me what your character looks like" and then you gotta go upload it somewhere and put a link instead

[icy sentinel]

that's more of an issue with reddit as a whole than any one subreddit, i imagine

[charred arrow]

I'm personally okay without images/gifs in comments considering how much reddit devolves into just a bunch of reaction images and "I'm stealing this meme" comment chains. Sure it could have some use but it just leads to a lot of spam I feel.

[solar moat]

nah moderators can turn off images in comments and stuff
and that is true about reaction image spam; maybe just keep the GIF button disabled

[half vigil]

Unfortunately all this subreddit feedback is probably better off relayed directly to subreddit moderation team https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=r/ffxiv through their modmail. The teams, while having members that are part of both hats, are generally fairly separate.

[solar moat]

OH okay i'll try there

[keen patrol]

@median jolt omg the pride yans are so cute

[median jolt]

Thank you! That was June 2025's pride month banner!

[lunar ledge]

I'd like to suggest a character writing channel, for those who have attachments to their WoLs in a more in-depth and nuanced way. No, this is not a request asking for the equivalent of roleplay channels, but instead, a push for the inclusion of characters we all want more peeps to know better; Bios, personalities, headcanons, descriptions supplied with their WoL's picture, that type of stuff.

[verbal crypt]

the #translations-and-liveletters should unironically stick an AI prompt in the middle of translating just to see which websites are profiteering and using AI lol

translation translation translation
Yes, certainly - here is the recipe for pancakes...
2 eggs
1 cup of flour
translation translation translation

[half vigil]

This feedback will be taken into consideration. That being said what benefit does a channel like this provide and how does that encourage engagement with the server and interest in general?

[zinc jay]

i feel like a character writing channel would get argumentative really fast, when it comes to people's headcanons about the story and stuff. ive seen enough issues and arguments arise from absolutely deranged headcanons in #1161031547634327572, cant imagine it would be any better in such a channel or any easier to regulate. there are plenty of other places to have such conversations about wol lore and it would probably be better fit there

[charred arrow]

Personally I feel that info could be like put together in a doc and posted to #art or something.

[surreal pasture]

is there somewhere i can report someone messaging me about commissions?

[gritty pond]

You can use #discord-modmail to let the mods know

[ornate pelican]

Possibly not the worst idea. It’s usually smaller news outlets blatantly ripping the teams work here but I wouldn’t be surprised if larger orgs were doing it too.

[charred arrow]

Makes me think about what Joe Merrick of Serebii has been dealing with his Pokeopia guides. Everyone just scraping info from his website even the big errors.

[verbal crypt]

Doesn't help that a lot of the larger gaming outlets are starting to blatantly use AI as well
@charred arrow Yeah and not just scraping info, scraping them into a vibecoded slop website

[lime marlin]

Should have to manually turn sails to match wind conditions and going against the wind should have some effect. Would be nice for co-op friends to all hop on one ship and be able to actually take control of individual sails and cannons. The cannon shooting would be cooler with individual reticle per cannon like some other ship shooter style games instead of the current large bridge of a reticle.

[zinc jay]

sir, this is the ffxiv discord.

[dry scaffold]

lol

[mild eagle]

They are trying to make it to Ul'dah to start their real journey.

[long cedar]

I know there's a gear guide and poetics spending faq, but I reckon a dedicated faq concisely explain poetics, tome gear as catch up, location of sundry vendors, could be useful since that commonly pops up in blounge

[timid pilot]

The poetics faq already tells you where all the sundry vendors are, but I can add in the wiki that poetics mainly function as a way to obtain gear and where they come from. I can also edit the first link to have a more general title instead of just saying where/how you spend them.

[charred arrow]

Hey with Shadowbringers coming to free trial we'll need an updated version of the editions faq.

[half vigil]

It will be done when it happens

[median mantle]

This time without comic sans preferably (it looks horrendous :D)

[icy sentinel]

no, find an even more garish font

[hearty trail]

papyrus

[chrome wind]

What if they allow Free Trial players to purchase our market posts, and only restrict them from selling. I think it's a good thing, will make business-focused players more engaged.

[timid pilot]

This is not a suggestion forum for the game. We’re an unofficial reddit discord with no presence from the dev team

[charred arrow]

So is it being worked on?

[fringe aurora]

It will be worked on when it happens.

[onyx yoke]

When it's ready™

[median mantle]

The timestamps for the evolved job previews are wrong here: #translations-and-liveletters message
The Paladin link just links to the very end of the presentation about evolved, and everything else is way off

Correct ones are this:
Paladin: https://www.youtube.com/live/_aCGzxWczCM?t=19866
Dragoon: https://www.youtube.com/live/_aCGzxWczCM?t=20497
White Mage: https://www.youtube.com/live/_aCGzxWczCM?t=21170
Bard: https://www.youtube.com/live/_aCGzxWczCM?t=21693

[median mantle]

Can use this in the meantime I guess

[visual relic]

Has anyone had a problem recently where discord will not detect you are playing FF14 and I can’t stream while I’m playing, if I try to add the game, it does show up in the drop down box to add it,

If someone has does any have a solution to fix this?

P.S. Discord detects any other game I am playing

[median mantle]

You'd want to ask that in #952326072542847016 if anything. This channel is for feedback about this discord "server", not for questions like that.

[supple maple]

Hello, is there a way I can have an audience with a moderator or sending a report or smth

[idle rose]

#discord-modmail

[remote hamlet]

Timestamp revised. The previous timestamp was likely taken right during the livestream which was probably why it wasn't at the right time.

[gleaming apex]

I would love to have a Configuration Sharing channel where people can share their codes from the new features in 7.5 :)

[zinc jay]

#protips-and-ui

[gleaming apex]

It was moreso for the specific feature, but thank you!

[errant igloo]

Not sure where to put this but I thibk we have a scammer. Just got a message from this memeber here and tbis is the firdt step of a lot of scams ive seen. Bit sure who the mods are here or id tag then

[azure gate]

You can always send this to the mods via #discord-modmail

[long ibex]

A got that 4 months ago different name same wording thay get you in to it then ask for the billing

[charred arrow]

I don't understand what you're asking.

[long ibex]

Just mean it a scam because it happened to me 4 months ago asking me the same thing

[vale agate]

Hi! I don't frequent this server often anymore but I opened #general-discussion and a moderator is openly posting AI-generated art? I thought there's a clear zero AI artwork rule on this server.

[plucky niche]

I've had a modmail response saying 'AI memes are allowed'. I really don't see how that doesn't conflict with the flat 'no AI generated artwork' rule.

[limpid mural]

That seems to line up with what's listed in #about-this-server. Memes vs art is obviously a fuzzy distinction, but the way I read it is that using gen AI to augment shitposting is fine, but don't go posting it in #art or bragging about what you "made"

[vale agate]

I understand when its memes thats been regurgigated a million times like the brainrot ones but a shitpost ship art that is personally generated as I view it, is genAI art. If someone handdrew a ship as a shitpost, you would consider it as art, no?

[autumn fjord]

is meme defined as anything created for the sake of comedy? or just existing images created by ai that have become internet jokes?

i don't see how generating an ai artwork based on a convo in the server ISN'T a violation of the rule.

would someone be able to generate and post ai images based on lighthearted/comedic story speculation in #952271392424992838 , because it was intended to be funny/"a meme"?

would someone be able to generate and post an ai group photo of the server's admins and moderators based on their discord profile pictures, because it was intended to be funny/"a meme"?

clarity would be appreciated 🤍

[charred arrow]

Yeah looking at the post I do agree. I feel the rule is more like "a meme that is AI" is fine like italian brainrot or that one baby but going out to generate something specific for the conversation is going out of bounds.

[elder pollen]

Especially since the reason given in the no AI rule is because it's considered art theft. I don't see how using it to make a meme makes it less stolen?

[hoary garden]

LLM apoligism thrives on this discourse because they need the grey area of "is it sort of okay?" to generate any sense of legitimacy at all.

It is not okay. Period. Using it for maymays is no different than using it for the server banner. Memes are already as simple as snagging the template and adding your context. And if a person isn't interested in putting in the effort to make a joke, why are we putting in the effort to reward them with unearned laughter.

[plucky niche]

Could I possibly suggest that the 'memes are ok at discretion' get struck from the AI-relevant rules altogether? Having one solid stance feels much easier and much less up to interpretation, and harms nobody

[hallow yacht]

I agree w no exceptions to the AI ruling; would make it less convoluted with people trying to skirt the rule and going "But it's a meme bro, you just don't get it"

[torpid tinsel]

^^^^^^^^^ (upon further thinking maybe not actually)

[keen patrol]

<@&100464652139368448>

[zinc raft]

I saw this on another discord, thought it was spam so I deleted it

[charred arrow]

Yeah all the Mr Beast, Kai Cenant, whatever other influencer, free crypto stuff is all scams. People try it get their accounts taken over and used to spread the scam more while their computer is taken over and borked.

[median mantle]

Am I imagining things or did #ffxiv-screenshots have a story spoiler rule at some point, could've sworn it had one

[autumn parrot]

the rules of the channel are a pinned message

[median mantle]

Oh I'm stupid, didn't click on the message and discord cut it off (without any indication that there's more)

So it did have a rule for that then, thanks

[zinc jay]

In light of xeno's latest ban from xiv, is the mod team going to take futher measures when it comes to discussion of him?

[copper knoll]

Whgat was he banned for excatly? Was he like saying mean things??

[abstract finch]

Abusive language towards XIV staff + streaming with mods on, from what I've heard

[charred arrow]

General toxicity and harassment as well as inciting further harassment especially towards Sena Bryer. Also he was streaming with mods on which definitely didn't help his case.

[azure gate]

I don't really see a reason to do anything about Xeno coming up in discussions, most of the time people don't really talk about him much and as far as I can tell when they do, they do it in a critical way. Banning or restricting conversation about him might actually make people be more vocal about him. The best way is probably just not do anything and let him fade out of public consciousness

[lunar ledge]

STILL WAITING FOR THIS TO BECOME REALITY SMHSMH

[umbral fog]

While I don't think its likely for a channel like that to be opened, it would probably help if you answered the questions Channy asked when you first presented the idea

[chilly vigil]

Mods is nothing to do with it

[half vigil]

This isn't the channel to discuss the specifics of what happened for that streamer.

No need to um ackshually people thanks

[charred arrow]

I think that https://discord.com/channels/100463940835762176/1507854994668257461 is good and needed but it could probably just have a little reminder that #questions-and-help also exists and that you don't need a forum post for more simple one and done questions. Things that don't need as big a discussion.

[timid pilot]

I think smaller questions are fine in the forums if the regular channel has a bit of activity to it, since questions can get lost/accidentally ignored.

The forum system also helps appease to people who want more 1-on-1 help who might prefer DMs while the people answering might not be comfortable with that.

Also as a moderator we can “close” a thread which moves it down the list of threads if the question has been answered and doesn’t need anymore help, keeping the more recent possibly unanswered stuff easily seen.

[ornate pelican]

Channel Rules:

1. Discord Support Only
2. No off topic or discussion
3. For serious issues please use modmail on Reddit

[timid pilot]

Definitely a super dangerous major issue. starts with a capital letter while none of the other emotes do except for
This should be fix to ensure consistency and balance.

[elder violet]

fixed, lowercase ftw.

[steep estuary]

:na:

[ripe cliff]

Um... whenever i try and mute the two new tabs,it says "missing permissions" and tye change isn't saved.

[timid pilot]

#discord-feedback and #471887637360279552 ? I can mute both of them just fine.

Odd.

[ancient narwhal]

Try restarting discord I guess

[elder violet]

Muting a channel/catergory isn't something we have control of server side. 🤔 Pretty odd.

[gusty peak]

I cannot see anything in #472079787897126912 , I think the permissions might not be properly set up

[elder violet]

That is intentional

[sacred narwhal]

you aren't supposed to see it

[pearl halo]

its not for u to see

only special mod eyes can see it

[gusty peak]

the announcement in #lodestone-news-na says there should be a description in there but not even that is there

[narrow ferry]

channel topic

[gusty peak]

oh

sorry, my bad

[thin charm]

Rika quuen. Time to be a mod

[pearl halo]

[ornate pelican]

We're looking to expand our Discord Mod Team! If interested fill in the form here: https://goo.gl/forms/7e1MMTNaXPGIfBTU2

[steep estuary]

Spearya#5147 and one other guy are getting pinged by the sub moderator @

I'm not on pc so I don't have access to the full settings to show you but there's a thing in role settings

That lets you edit what people get mentioned by

Those 2 must've been put in accidentally

I can show you what I mean when I get back from school I tested it on another discord

other guy that got pinged was snowcloud forgot what his discord # is rn

[elder violet]

I think when this was brought up before we had an extensive look to see if we could find what was causing the issue.

AFAIK nothing that was causing it could be found.

[steep estuary]

Hmmm that's super strange

[elder violet]

https://i.imgur.com/fRt3PRL.png

[steep estuary]

I know you can have certain members inside a ping group without having the role though, I'm certain that's a thing you can do

[elder violet]

The only way they would be included in that is if they had the subreddit moderator role.

Hmm.

[steep estuary]

unless they changed that feature

And didn't fix it

It's not in roles, its in something else I think

mentions maybe

[lilac forge]

notification settings maybe