endgame-lounge

[round hazel]

Memes

[frank swallow]

Wth

What about P4S

[round hazel]

P3S is probably the wordt to pf

Part 1 is plinax memes

But part 2 I'll say is more reasonable aside from curtain call

[verbal oak]

pretty fun, some pinax memes

[round hazel]

plinax memes are the best

[frank swallow]

Time to die gazillion times before i fully understood mechanic

Reee

[verbal oak]

nonono, see thats where it STARTS

you die a million times, understand it, then watch everyone ELSE die to it

[frank swallow]

Its p2s all over again

[round hazel]

Try p3s pf tho

I advocate for a little suffering to better your character

[frank swallow]

Can i clear it in 2 days

Let me suffer

[round hazel]

HAAHHAAHAH

[verbal oak]

l m a o

(we're sorry for your loss)

[round hazel]

While I'm not the best, my static took two months on p3s

[verbal oak]

about the same here

[frank swallow]

💀

p1s and p2s is that easy?

[verbal oak]

granted, my were casuals

but yeah p2s is a lot easier than p3s esp with DF

[round hazel]

Yes

I don't want to sound pretentious

[verbal oak]

p4s is easier than p3s?

[round hazel]

But at this point in the tier, p1 and P2 are actually just training dummies

[fervent bane]

depends how many hours you play, managed to do p3s in around 10 hours through pf starting from fresh

but you gotta get lucky with parties

[round hazel]

I would consider, atleast for me in terms of hardest to easiest,P3S> P4SP2> P4SP1 > P1 > P2

[frank swallow]

and i need to clear it 8 times for pair of pants

[round hazel]

Whatcha play?

My jobs don't require it for bis

[verbal oak]

theres like 3 jobs that need it for bis rip

[round hazel]

Phys range gang

[frank swallow]

uh

SAM

[round hazel]

Yeaaah

Ahhaha

F

[verbal oak]

F

[verbal oak]

hell yeah all 2 of us are here

[frank swallow]

[round hazel]

I got my orange parse on p3s

I am free from trying on that fight now

I just need to blue p4p1 and then I'm done

[round hazel]

Which do you play?

Pls don't say baarrrd

[verbal oak]

it was bard

[round hazel]

[verbal oak]

then i looked at my logs and made an executive decision

[round hazel]

LOL

[verbal oak]

that my group did more dps on mch than i was on bard

[round hazel]

I went from MCH to DNC

[verbal oak]

im sorry for your loss

[round hazel]

Because my god MCH is ASS

[verbal oak]

its... yeah

it is what it is

[frank swallow]

i went from PLD to SAM

loved it because kinda satisfying i guess?

[round hazel]

This tells you about how I feel about mch

I cannot

[verbal oak]

bard was a nice break from mch which i mained in shb

but i pretty much one trick mch in high end stuff now

and play other shit in everything else

DRK gaming in eureka is fun

[round hazel]

I used to just play MCH but now I've seen the light

[verbal oak]

if i ever go full horny i might pick up dnc

[frank swallow]

may i ask what are those orange stuff at the beginning ?

[verbal oak]

but mch is much more satisfyingly

[round hazel]

Less aDPS more rdps

[round hazel]

Uh?

[verbal oak]

percentiles

[vernal breach]

the only metric that matters

[verbal oak]

that orange parse is higher than 95% of all other logs

[round hazel]

I like DNC a lot more, build up more resources then

[verbal oak]

tech step do be poggin

but i enjoy jobs that arent just a shitton of burst evety 60s

god i wanna love ninja but fuck its burst

[round hazel]

My 120 is like 4 feathers, a dance, 2 sabers, tillunia, that weird thing devilment becomes cascade for more.festhers etc

[verbal oak]

much prefer drill and things like midare when it feels like im more consistantly doing big boy numbers

though kinda sucks to go from 100k crits to 30k...

at least im hitting 30k now lol

[round hazel]

Pay no mind to my triple clipping

[frank swallow]

so it is just DPS?

[round hazel]

Whatcha looking at in the image?

nDps?

[frank swallow]

deez

[fervent bane]

yeh that's based off of all uploaded logs comparing rDPS numbers for that job

[frank swallow]

i am quite new to the fflogs mostly send logs there to see how i perform

what does rDPS mean in this case

[fervent bane]

rDPS takes into account buffs you put out as your own damage

so like dance partner damage buff counts as the dancers

https://www.fflogs.com/help/rdps goes into more detail

[frank swallow]

i see

[steep summit]

So, what’s the pf strat on primal for p4s part 2?

[fervent bane]

all of it?

or a specific part

either way primal pretty much uses everything here https://saltedxiv.com/guides/p4s-ii

[steep summit]

All of it

[fervent bane]

at least the toolboxes are right, i haven't actually looked at the text but I assume its the same

[steep summit]

Yeah I’m not reading that wall of text XD

So no changes to wk 1 strat then

Mainly asking cause primal’s doing chinese uptime strat

[grand mesa]

if p1 and p2 are trying to climb a footstool as a lalafell

p3 is trying to climb a tall barstool with nothing to grab onto as a lalafell

[snow acorn]

I’m in p3s and I’m sad

I want to get back to just farming the first 2

[vernal breach]

i lvoe p2s 😔

[grand mesa]

if you're clear ready hmu

i could probably fuck around in pf and help at some point

[stiff hull]

i have the whole savage tier on regular reclears at JP (elemental), but still stuck on P3S at NA (crystal). i'm aware that my chances of clearing the tier at NA, if it isn't already 0, is getting smaller and smaller by the day.

if by the time P5-8S releases i still couldn't clear the tier at NA, what are the odds of me being able to apply for a static there when it releases?

[torn mesa]

1. that's dependent on what type of static you intend to join. but if you've cleared the tier on another data center, I doubt people would hold that against you differently compared to if you had cleared on crystal.
2. while I know first hand how bad PF can be, I seriously doubt you're unable to clear the tier outright.

[stiff hull]

mm..

i'll have to try harder in PF i suppose. and pray i get things right

[torn mesa]

just abandon ship quicker

trying to make things work with a clearly trap group ain't it

[sinful brook]

And joining a2c runs or reclear runs might help provided you're clear on the strats used

Dming a party lead about it won't always blow up in your face

[grand mesa]

at worst, you usually just

get a "no"

or get ignored

[austere bay]

so did I understand the bloodrake mechanic in p4s right?
The first ans second bloodrake can hit the same grp, like DDs get both.
so tanks and healers gotta have sickness and tethers?

[lyric summit]

yes

he sucks the responsibility from you

first one for uhh one of the mechanics

second for other

[austere bay]

no wonder I always messed that up. thought it was first one grp than the other.
big sry to all pf grp here for bei g a colossal idjit

[lyric summit]

you can get one, or both, or neither

[sinful brook]

First tether for tethers and second for rot

[steep summit]

First bloodrak gives tether vuln, second bloodrake gives rot vuln

[round hazel]

Wait is that how the mech works?

Legit I'm so focused on first gets tether and second gets rot

I never new it worked like giving us invurn

[bleak yoke]

it's just

first rake targets = no tether
second rake targets = no rot

if take damage from rake 1; no take tether
if take damage from rake 2; no take rot

[torn mesa]

when you start thinking about it in terms of vulnerability and what not

you're just overcomplicating it

[bleak yoke]

yeah

simple if hit don't do this type beat

[torn mesa]

in fact, that mechanic is probably one of those

where you shouldn't even bother learning how it works

just learn how to resolve it

[bleak yoke]

yeah

[torn mesa]

because resolving it is braindead easy

[sinful brook]

i think in general

for mechanics

just try to think less

the harder you make it for yourself to process the worse it'll seem trying to execute

thats why for a lot of the big multiple part/debuff mechanics you only focus on your own bits

[steep summit]

Funnily I work better when I understand the mech as opposed to blindly doing it

[torn mesa]

like it's good to understand the entire mechanic so you can either possibly adjust for others' mistakes/determine what went wrong on the spot

but when you're not even familiar with what you specifically have to do

focus on that first

[steep summit]

Better than going “I fucked up! Why? I dunno!” If you ask me

But to keep it simple:
If you get hit by 1st bloodrake pass tether.
If you get hit by 2nd bloodrake pass rot

[torn mesa]

well consider this: if people focused on what they did, those situations would occur less altogether

yes

[steep summit]

Idk how you wanna do it, depends on whatever strat you do.

[torn mesa]

the strat in primal is just bibibili

the idea is simply people who need stuff come take it from people who want to pass it

people who want to pass stack south

and you resolve debuffs first, then tethers

[steep summit]

But thing is you got people who forget to move back behind the boss to drop tethers, so you can’t fully autopilot bilibili unless everyone’s stupid coordinated.

[torn mesa]

it's the opposite actually

bilibili is used mostly because it's the most braindead strat possible

the only point of coordination involved is people grabbing debuffs need to be somewhat mindful they don't collide into one another

people who forget to move back behind boss - if this isn't a fresh prog, then these people should be kicked if it's a recurring issue

[steep summit]

Fair, I am referring to fresh prog.

[torn mesa]

fresh prog, you just have to mention

"stack behind boss if you were hit by 2nd rake"

if people can't listen to that, you remake group obviously

[steep summit]

That one everyone gets.

It’s the after rot bit (i.e. tether grabbing) that gets messed up.

[torn mesa]

tether grabbing is impossible to mess up

if everyone is stacked behind boss

that's part of why you stack to begin with

[steep summit]

Mmm... I have bird tether trauma.

[torn mesa]

bird tether failure is usually the same problem: some idiot isn't stacked behind boss

[steep summit]

Or they did and they were inside the boss.

[finite plank]

p4s p2 act 2

final thorns

is it okay for stack up fire to go off at the same time as wind?

I'd say yes because wind's just dodged and it doesn't matter

next i'd ask is what happens if thornpricked expired as fire

[steep summit]

So iirc from guides wind tether is do not break until expire

And if done correctly wind will still go off but have some has no effect text

[finite plank]

is there anything about if fire tethers expires instead of breaking, it deals increased damage?

[bleak yoke]

wind doesnt do anything if you dont break it
never break wind tethers

[bleak yoke]

it gives damage down and does a shit ton

like ~4x more

[torn mesa]

try not survivable

unless you're a tank

[grand mesa]

Pretty much everyone but the main tank should be vaguely behind the boss for the opener anyway

And mt just needs to be mindful to move back to stack south if they need to pass off rot

It's pretty braindead otherwise

[torn mesa]

yeah this was purely in the context of me saying you don't need to even understand how the entire mechanic works

you just need to focus on what you do

[grand mesa]

ye

Idk why melees bother to try and go for positionals right as rots go off and grief

I've had a few parties just straight up wipe after their openers bc someone fucked up and killed someone else

Don't they have true north

[torn mesa]

assuming the MT isn't an idiot and doesn't spin boss

you legit don't even lose positionals

[grand mesa]

Yeah

[torn mesa]

considering you only have to be stacked/spread by the time director's belone goes off

and then you can move in and out right away

[grand mesa]

Yup

[torn mesa]

you might lose 1 during take tethers out though

[grand mesa]

pf sometimes

[torn mesa]

but either way it doesn't matter

[grand mesa]

Yeah

[torn mesa]

you have 2/2 TN at that point

[grand mesa]

Mhm

[torn mesa]

and legit do possibly need it till way way later

if at all

[grand mesa]

My last dragoon

Got out for a positional

Took rot off someone who was supposed to be taking

[torn mesa]

did your DRG die to lightning + poison

cause they wanted positional

[grand mesa]

And killed a healer

[torn mesa]

took 35k from lightning

then blamed no shielding on him

[grand mesa]

Fortunately, no

But sketchy shit happened either way

[torn mesa]

same run where he refused to LB BTW

despite having weakness

[grand mesa]

Pull was pretty cursed

[grand mesa]

💀

[torn mesa]

I'd get it if the group was actually like a parse group

[grand mesa]

Melees who refuse to lb @ 51% near enrage ...

[torn mesa]

but even then that's pretty cringe

[grand mesa]

Hyper cringe

[torn mesa]

but this was just a reclear

well, at least it didn't matter either way

[grand mesa]

Yeah

[torn mesa]

cause I LB'd and we still enrage'd

[grand mesa]

Hm

What's your name ingame?

I have an inkling we might've met once

Maybe

[torn mesa]

I'm on primal BTW, so unlikely

in game name is Noblesse Oblige'

[grand mesa]

Ah

Green for the color huh

[torn mesa]

nope

to keep a long story short

I got into this game because 2 groups of friends wanted me to play. 1 on aether, 1 on primal. I went with primal cause those were my closer friends, but then I found out they basically don't play the game

so now I want to go back to aether ASAP

my primal friends = MSQ and dip type

[grand mesa]

Ahh.

lmk if you ever start pfing aether, I'm down to fuck around in a2c parties or whatever

if you'll take a dogwater blm

[torn mesa]

sure thing

going to wait till 6.18 for that though

[grand mesa]

Fair

I've got a bunch of people from primal that I promised to take on savage too

Can't wait

[steep summit]

why are me pandae savage rolls shit

[true beacon]

did they add any markers to Tower? because I feel like Red Girl's mini's didn't have the conal tell before

[torn kindle]

The first one indicating the starting cleave does

[frank swallow]

damn trying to find p3s and P4S prac have been rough, seems like i am really late to the party

[static forge]

Can I ask about a particular End Walker quest here? It’s not obvious what channel I can use to talk about EW?

Oh I see the forum post thing. Never mind.

[grand mesa]

Create one

You're better off looking during peak hours

i.e early evenings or late afternoons during weekdays

or late mornings to afternoons/evenings on weekends

[frank swallow]

been waiting for 3 hours sadly for P3S for the past few days

[opal otter]

ola, question for BiS gearing for savage, I basically have the Limbo/Classical pieces geared with X materia for SAM. The BiS guide said I need the Classical Samurai Blade (i580) but i recently cleared EW Trial 3 EX which gave me an i595 Samurai weapon instead, with better stats than the i580 one. Do i use that or the i580 one?

[verbal oak]

you're looking at the wrong bis

thats the "day 1" set

actual BiS is ilvl 600

[opal otter]

i see.

[opal otter]

This is my first time clearing savage stuff and i haven't cleared p1s-p4s too so the only things i have access to is the limbo stuff from asphodelos normal and tomestone gear

is there i600 stuff i can access?

[verbal oak]

and the 590 agalia stuff

[opal otter]

ah yeah

1 week per piece though sadly i only got the scouting hands which isn't even my main job xD

[verbal oak]

yes, the allaince raid drops a coin to upgrade ilvl 590 tome gear to ilvl 600

[opal otter]

ah i see

is it limited per week?

[narrow oxide]

Yea

[verbal oak]

you can also get the twine and coating from hunts too

3k and 2k sacks of nuts respectivly

[opal otter]

[verbal oak]

the ilvl 595 weapon is pretty great to start savage with, and you cant really get a decent weapon until you've cleared p2s

so if theres no prog for savage might as well get some prog in 90ex

[bleak yoke]

you cant get a better weapon than 595 until p3s

and tome weapons arent worth unless your rng is ass anyway because you could use the tomes toward gear you would be actually using for the next 2 months

[verbal oak]

590 is a decent weapon

Not great and the other point you made still stands

[bleak yoke]

i mean

you can get tome weap before savage

from p4n

sword drops > discal tome

[hasty cape]

Is that any better than the ilvl 580 crafted upgraded to 590?

I am new, just finally got all my gear to ilvl 593 (all 590+ pieces), and need to start trying my first savage content heh

[round hazel]

ur fine to start with that gear tbh

[bleak yoke]

yeah you're 100% fine to start with 593

[round hazel]

Probally can reduce p1-p3 to ashes

[fervent bane]

anything above 590 is enough to clear the tier with

[round hazel]

with that gear

[bleak yoke]

you can clear tier with 580

[round hazel]

p4p2s might be dicey as shit

[bleak yoke]

nah

p4p2 is fine

it's built for 580

[fervent bane]

yes yes but people will lock to 590

most of the time

[bleak yoke]

they're 593

checkmate

[round hazel]

how is pf with dps checks these days

[bleak yoke]

actually pretty ok

ish

[steep summit]

Nah I see people locking stuff to 595 on p1s

[bleak yoke]

that's for reclears

[round hazel]

p4p2 has a reasonably tight dps check

[bleak yoke]

door is worse

if you're like

[fervent bane]

just don't have any deaths and p4p2 is free

[bleak yoke]

58% going into pinax 2 it's gonna be rough

[round hazel]

yeah 48k is fine but lol

idk how pfs perform

[bleak yoke]

phase 2 is less

[round hazel]

is it?

[bleak yoke]

yeah

door is unironically a higher dps check than phase 2

[round hazel]

tf

[bleak yoke]

iirc p4p2 is like 45k or smth close
and p4p1 is 48k

keep in mind it spikes up from 43k in p3s

[round hazel]

my static does like

alot more then that average lol

so i cant gauge

we sit like 54-56k iiirc on average

[bleak yoke]

yeah pf is really bad with spreads

but most of the actual dps check issues kinda disappear in reclear parties outside of bad runs

[round hazel]

Its funny because plinax is not our issue

[bleak yoke]

i wanna say ~52k is average p4 reclear?

[round hazel]

its fucking towers

[bleak yoke]

[round hazel]

we slip up grabbing tethers

and we die

Im not a fan of the tethers this tier

pia

[bleak yoke]

dru tethers

[hasty cape]

I need to find a static to start working on pxs

[bleak yoke]

nah you're fine to just pf

and if you arent drg rpr or nin i highly advise skipping p3s

[hasty cape]

i feel like the learning process is so much better with voice

[bleak yoke]

it is but finding a static this late into the tier for a fresh

is pain

[hasty cape]

you can skip p3s? I thought you had to clear them in order? (I'm a RPR)

[fervent bane]

you can ask to discord i guess

idk how many people would join but they'd give callouts and help

[bleak yoke]

pf is just the way to go rn

because it's so late

[subtle marsh]

When the tier unlocks, yes.

[bleak yoke]

as long as the party lead has met the requirements to enter p4 (cleared p3 or someone entered p4 previously) you can forfeit the loot of p3 to go into p4

i did it for reclears for a solid 6+ weeks because fuck pf

only have been recently doing p3 reclears because im subbing for a friend's static and they're doing all reclears together

[true beacon]

CHI UP IN ADA

[round hazel]

I thought you can skip

Just the leader has to clear

[weary bone]

I think something weird happened to me in Hydatos
killed Ovni, a while later accidentally clicked a red portal while prepping
it instantly grabbed me, then it showed me a short cutscene of my party spawning in, then the cutscene ended and I was dead, then my corpse was moved back to the base aetheryte.
none of my party were displaced from prepping
what the hell happened to me

[solar wraith]

Ok, I need something cleared up for Pinax, because I'm getting conflicting shit

[vernal breach]

blue kills you

[solar wraith]

This is spread markers, right

Is the melee dps on the left always on lightning or is it just relative to where the boss is looking

[vernal breach]

oh spreads? if im melee.. yeah thats what it looks like
if im range.. i stand wherever i damn please

[solar wraith]

I got told at by the other melee for following this exact pattern regardless of where the lightning/fire areas are

I just flip it and always go to the left

And I'm told that position always goes lightning

[vernal breach]

buuh yes, if you ask me, ignore the direction the boss is facing

it could be looking at the wall, or towards the center.. or even facing left or right or watever depending on the tank's fancy

[solar wraith]

I'm not a tank

[vernal breach]

boss relative left/rights are unnecessarily complicated

thats fine

[solar wraith]

Like, I always assumed it was going to look like this if, for example, the boss is at W

Or this

Is it not the case then?

[vernal breach]

ah, i see whatchu mean
yeh that would be the case

you should still ask the other dude anyway if you've wiped a few times

[solar wraith]

But this guide says I should be on fire

I'm sorta tilted and confused ngl

[vernal breach]

im not sure why you're concerned about the color on the floor

considering that the spread could also occur on the 2nd pair of pinax and thats a wild card as far as which tiles you end up between\

[solar wraith]

I know, which is why I'm asking

Because I felt like this wasn't how people normally do the spreads

[vernal breach]

people just run wards the wall... and then they turn around
and then they go to their lefts and rights

[solar wraith]

So were they just plain wrong then

[vernal breach]

i dont know about being wrong
but practically... mirroring this spread is uh

its correct if you're a range chracter

but its like irrelevant information if you're a melee lol

[solar wraith]

I'm just also incredibly annoyed that people still keep dying to the cape/water boop join P1 clear parties

[hearty yacht]

wish me luck y'all im doing p2s today

[vernal breach]

you arms length that shit and forget about the cape/water :D

now that i look about it, frankly not even the healers have to give a shit bout mirroring the spread

this is like solely a range dps problem

[solar wraith]

So the NIN was talking shit. Got it

I'm gonna blacklist him

[vernal breach]

chill, communication is fine

if they wanna big brain it, and you want to accommodate it, its fine. otherwise.. leave the leave buttons over there

as i said, as a tank...
i still have to talk to the other lad about bout whether they want wall or middle

[solar wraith]

The thing is, he was with like 2-3 people in that group and they all told me off for not going lightning

[vernal breach]

how is going lightning remotely applicable advice when you're not adjacent to the lightning square

[solar wraith]

That actually happened too

I was like, "where the fuck do I go now" and just disengaged from the boss

rather than die

It's not helped when the DNC keeps dying to cape and the SMN killed one of the supports by coming too close to me while I was trying to get my rot

SMN don't need melee right

[vernal breach]

nah

[vernal breach]

well, they do have the ifrit gap closer

thats.. like.. the only melee move they've got

[solar wraith]

They literally walked over to me as I was getting rot

I didn't see them use the gap closer

[vernal breach]

dude wants to get those caster autoattacks in yknow

[solar wraith]

If I wanted to clown around I would've queued for Syrcus Tower

How do people in enrage prog still even die to cape/water, man

[vernal breach]

people procrastinate on pressing armslnegth

[round hazel]

Ive cleared and I still die to it once or twice

Something about the timing on arms length here throws me off

[fervent bane]

pressing it around halfway into the cast is enough to resist both water and cape kb

[round hazel]

Yeah

That should be the case

But it's just slightly after half way and I miss time it and it falls off and I'm like shit

[wheat flame]

silly things happen sometimes

doing a mistake few times is understandable

dying constantly to it is a problem

[quaint radish]

has anyone killed thordan instead of sparing him in DSR and beat nidd/hraes?

what happens then?

[lyric summit]

the eyes kill you

[quaint radish]

oof

[lyric summit]

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[glass tendon]

Sorry if these are two dumb questions:
-Is there a way to get Radiant Roborant without doing savage content?
-What is Radiant Coating even for?

I'm trying to get the augmented radiant gear

[solar wraith]

No to the first. No idea what a Radiant Coating is

Just clear P3S 5head

[verbal oak]

Coating is for accs upgrades

[solar wraith]

Ahh, the potion looking one

You'd want to prioritize Radiant Twine for your non-accessory gear

To upgrade first, I mean

[glass tendon]

Ohhhh, I didn't check accessories. Alright, so I can get the augmented radiant gear without doing savage with the exception of weapons. Those'll cap out at 590 for the augmented classical weapons. I'm nervous about savage so I wanna get as high of an item level as I can before trying

[solar wraith]

You can start P1S in 575 gear anyway

Full Classical is better

Full augmented Classical even more so

[glass tendon]

Is it similar to the DoH/DoL situation where melded crafted gear beats out the tomestone gear?

[solar wraith]

But I can get the anxiety

Yes, pentamelded augmented gear will beat out their tomes tone counterparts

But it's so easy to get ilvl 600 gear that I'm not sure it's worth to spend that much Gil on

Have you started getting Aglaia coins now?

[glass tendon]

Yeah...after pentamelding my DoH gear, my coffers are getting a bit low. I have 6 Aglaia coins, but will get my 1 for the week today

[solar wraith]

You can exchange them for Twines/Coatings

I would recc going for chest/head/pants/gloves/shoes first

[glass tendon]

I did my first one today for my Augmented Radiant Mail of Healing for my WHM, but I gotta run some dungeons for tomestones. I was just trying to see if it's more time/gil efficient to get the mats for the Augmented Classical, or just run dungeons for the Radiant to turn into Augmented Radiant

[solar wraith]

If you're not capped yet, go for it

I usually just join a hunt train or two

Almost immediate cap on astronomy tomestones

[glass tendon]

Never tried a hunt train...I might need to try it

I thought hunts only got you Sacks of Nuts though

[solar wraith]

Nuts and tomestones

[molten moon]

You can exchange nuts for radiant twine/coating

[scenic parrot]

Hunts are insane for tomestones

[glass tendon]

I never knew. It's just kinda hard to find a hunt train

[molten moon]

You might have to ask around, I'm not sure which discord crystal uses for hunts

[weary bone]

Eureka is also insane for tomestones

[opal otter]

terminology question

what is a protean

can't find on google

[verbal oak]

basically a spread clockwise around a boss

protean was the name of the attack that did that back in alexander

so people just named it the same when they saw it the next tier

[grand mesa]

no, not always

the only crafted piece that makes it to bis sets is usually the ring

bc some rings are genuinely awful

[verbal oak]

i love piety

[grand mesa]

tanks with their det/ten rings

[verbal oak]

hey, good for WAR

🙂

[severe mural]

Heals with the pentameld spell speed ring

[clever crystal]

hi! whats the best way to startup a noobish inexperienced static?

[lyric summit]

get 8 people, pick a time, go into content

[wheat flame]

probably best thing is to set your expectations right and also communicate that to other people you gather

[vernal breach]

some people might be recruiting for the next tier atm so like.. ye go shopping around

with some luck, said-recruiters will carry you through this tier

[clever crystal]

so ive had a PF ad going for a bit now, i filled up on dps who want to join, but not a single other healer or tank interested xD surprise surprise. but im a bit perplexed, my ads in english but several of the applicants were from taiwan

[vernal breach]

wat

[grand mesa]

you're trying to get stuff done when most people are in work/school

so you're inevitably going to get people that're mostly off-region

[clever crystal]

i see, so recruit in prime time instead.

[lyric summit]

and actively look for people too

on recruitment sub and discords

dont just afk in pf

[vernal breach]

I see so many people afk in pf just recruiting for statics

I figured it must.. work..?

[nova socket]

Pf would be the last place to look for one

[frank swallow]

progging FoA and still finding people stuck at FoF is just painful but it is PF so i gotta live with it

[fervent bane]

you'll get it eventually

then you won't have to deal with p3 prog again and it'll be great

unless you go in to help people prog after...

[grand mesa]

its a lot more chill when ur clear isnt on the line

tbh

[fervent bane]

yeh that's fair

[frank swallow]

I have gone past FoA too but just wanted to ensure i fully understood it
Havent actually seen enrage but has seen death toll

[grand mesa]

death toll is basically

enrage

[fervent bane]

^^

if you can do FOA you're in the clear

[grand mesa]

u have big plume into

[fervent bane]

deaths toll is essentially a non-mechanic

[grand mesa]

spread or stack

after toll

and then pizzas

nothing u havent seen b4

[frank swallow]

And that part is not even hard for death toll

[grand mesa]

toll is like

free time for dps outside of if ur a healer

everyone should be throwing out mit before the cast resolve tho

feint, addle, etc

any heal buffs u can give will help

[frank swallow]

Yeah the damage was massive

[grand mesa]

tbh

[frank swallow]

Hopefully a clear tmr

[grand mesa]

just tell the whm to lb3 it

if ur astro isnt saving

macro for it

they're throwing

[fervent bane]

tank lb3 is safer isnt it

[grand mesa]

either or works

[frank swallow]

Whats annoying for FoA is the last part

The knock to spread is so fast

[grand mesa]

the last part of foa is free though

oh

right, nado\

are you guys doing

tr/hm groups

for spreads

[frank swallow]

Yes

[grand mesa]

if ur a caster and ur paired with phys range

plant near a wall

next to the nado after getting kb

they'll adjust if they have eyes

[sinful brook]

There's little squares to stand on too

That mark where to aim

[grand mesa]

if ur having trouble resolving kb nado id just tell ur partner what ur doing for spreads for that part

so they know what direction to adjust to

[frank swallow]

Since i am D1 i am mostly gonna move a bit but for others

[grand mesa]

does the macro you guys use have nado spreads

we just play headless chicken adjust in aether pf

😔

[frank swallow]

Nado spreads?

[grand mesa]

end of foa

where you have 3 nados and get knocked back

[frank swallow]

Yeah the nado spreads

Tuufless one

[grand mesa]

ah

[torn mesa]

that's literally the worst part

cause people are terrible with spread after knockback

"let me move toward boss as healer/ranged"

[round hazel]

@grand mesa BiS!

[opal otter]

which one is better

(w/o materia ofc)

[dull radish]

it'll depend a bit on your current substat spread but it'll be quite close. However, you can augment the crafted to i590 where it'd be definitely better

[round hazel]

Augmented is basically free

Go for itzz

[bleak yoke]

yeah crafted is better because it can augment to 590

[grand mesa]

Looking good while you're at it too

[clever crystal]

so for end game raiding, is it punishing to not have a throughput + a shield healer. vs 2 of the same class for instance? how important is it or punishing if you double up on classes?

optimization, vs clear

vs outright not doable.

[sinful brook]

the important thing to know about duplicates here is that it will reduce your party's overall LB generation

it won't necessarily make things unclearable but it'll slow down things/make certain abilities drifted

that said at a high end optimization level double shield healer comps (sge+sch) exist just because of the sheer mitigation potential

you'll be alright to clear even with duplicates though

[drowsy agate]

you can clear with 4 dancers if you wanted to

[nova socket]

in week 200 savage it won't matter much

if you want to do "endgame" stuff you prob dont wanna do any double job memes

[steep summit]

urgh fookin pinax memes.

[frank swallow]

someone please guide me on how to not get trap parties

[round hazel]

thats like eating a bunch of legos and then people kicking you in the stomach so they stab you internally

we dnc dont do much dabblage on our own

[drowsy agate]

it's not that bad

4 dancers can clear all content

[verbal oak]

step one: dont go into p3s parites

[robust shoal]

you'd be pretty hard-pressed to beat dps checks in dsu with 4 dancers

probably couldn't get past p3

week 1 savage would be impossible too

[torn mesa]

I seriously doubt 4 DNC is meeting eyes enrage

[grand mesa]

4 blackmage p4s

[grand mesa]

def not dsu, but the savage tier should be fine with current gearing, I think?

[vernal breach]

yknow.. it may be week bajillion... and YET, most parties i see are like 10 seconds from enrage in p4s p1

and had they not had a proper comp, and instead had 4 dancers

there is no way they could clear p4s p1

lol

is it do-able? sure man, go ahead and find 4 top 5 percentile dancers

the other raids tho, the enrage is as loose as grandma by then, just.. stop dying

[grand mesa]

bc people are either bad, or scuffed runs with otherwise decent people happen

[quick verge]

just run a standard comp w/ 2 melee or 2 caster

[astral flower]

Lol I just made it to "The First" in the beginning of SHB when someone recommended I do unlock the alliance raids for more content, now I'm talking to alisaie like it's the first time I met her

Trippy

[grand mesa]

but, muh memes

😔

[quick verge]

2+ pranged isn't even a funny meme

[round hazel]

Me dance partering my whm so that he can parse orange

[grand mesa]

😔

[quick verge]

not how it works

[grand mesa]

that isnt how it works

[quick verge]

unless you're in a dungeon or alliance raid ig

[grand mesa]

outside of maybe

aglaia

[round hazel]

Aglaia

[grand mesa]

ah

im tempted to ask a friend dnc me as tank

and just tell everyone that it's my birthday

[round hazel]

Any day!

[grand mesa]

if anyone asks

I'll have to get gear first, though

[round hazel]

Aglaia parsing is so troll idc tbh

[grand mesa]

oh, completely

i only did it on blm bc i got bored one dasy

and wanted the caster top

[round hazel]

I don't particularly like fantasy looking gear, yes ik I'm playing ff, so the Aglaia stuff is uggo to me

[grand mesa]

fair

i have no taste

and just wear basic bitch stuff into everything

[round hazel]

xD

I have a few outfits for harder content

I just like dresses cuz DNC is very swishy

The asphodelos gear does look god to me tho

Very clean

[grand mesa]

the blm rod is nice

i havent seen the caster top yet

id assume it's at least somewhat pretty

[vernal breach]

i like that i have orange parses in aglaia
while spending every opportunity i can killing my friends, and innocent bystanders alike

[grand mesa]

i'd report u

😔

[round hazel]

I like standing in the fingers and fake jumping off at some points

Watching people go the full way

[vernal breach]

skill issue, shoulda moved out the way
we should all do our due diligence to avoid aoes eh?

[round hazel]

Managed to wipe a whole group :3

[grand mesa]

i had to rescue a tank

into one of the safe zones during azeyma one time, so the boss would follow them

bc it became clear that they were trying to grief

[vernal breach]

i dont MT for that reason

[round hazel]

End game was maws of totoballs all along

[grand mesa]

lmao wtf

[naive shale]

no cyan

🔫

dont be that one tank

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-twitch-twitchtv-twitch-emote-kek-gif-19085736

[drowsy agate]

when does holy snapshot its damage?

trying to decide if I have time to cast a holy for padding on feather plumes during uwu

since holy's damage number takes like fucking forever to pop up, hard to tell if I got the hit or not

[steep summit]

Right got past act 3 😄

anyway what's the act 4 strat these days

[quick verge]

start of slidecast, damage is obnoxiously delayed after end of cast

[steep summit]

Also tfw this is 7% parse https://xivanalysis.com/fflogs/mYZGFy4gtj7TNK3q/13/8

[drowsy agate]

so if I get the cast off before the plumes die

did it still register my damage done

or does that not happen until the damage number actually appears

[fallow pine]

depends.

some abilities like scorch take the full gcd to apply damage

[drowsy agate]

this is specifically holy

as mentioned

[quick verge]

overkill

youll see dmg numbers eventually but it wont have done anything

incl in logs

[drowsy agate]

so basically I need to see the mobs still alive when the holy damage lands

or else there's no pad

[quick verge]

:)

just don't pad

all are equal under our lord

[zinc jetty]

would it be griefing if i make a duty complete party for p3s if i know the full fight but can't get a consistent group to clear?

[onyx nimbus]

expect people to leave upon seeing the message

also when you say "know the full fight" do you actually mean performing it?

[subtle marsh]

You can set it for "duty completion" for a2c, but it is a crapshoot in whether you get people to clear with.

[austere bay]

Question: since some my static is kinda stuck in p3s and others got the kill already - is it possible for us to just jump to p4s? loot be damed

[onyx nimbus]

yes

[vernal breach]

You still need someone to reclear p3s erry week to be able to jump to p4s

[austere bay]

even if some dont hsve the kill for p3s? cool

[vernal breach]

Yeap, just promote the guy who did clear that week to party lead and have em queue yall in

[austere bay]

you have no idea how happy that makes me. we're stuck on that damned bird for weeks and are rdy to just call it quits at this point

[drifting basin]

not sure if this counts as "endgame" but i just finished the hildibrand questline.
oh. my. god.
it's amazing.

[nova socket]

#archived-lore-spoilers

[drifting basin]

Ty ^^

[solar wraith]

Did I fuck up here or was it the tank

PF description said DPS 12 so I went in

[nova socket]

thats so late for you

[solar wraith]

I see

[nova socket]

tanks usually break as the cleaves appear

[solar wraith]

The debuff appeared so late

Do I just sprint?

[nova socket]

yeh dps 12

ur debuff is at 6

[round hazel]

I mean it takes time for them to go in

[solar wraith]

But the debuff appeared at 12s

[round hazel]

if they took 6 seconds to go in tho

thats too slow

[nova socket]

then you break instantly

[round hazel]

My group does not break at 12s

we go out at 12

[solar wraith]

Ah, ok I should've dashed then

[round hazel]

it breaks around 8 or 7 (I dont really pay attention lol)

[nova socket]

yeh you'd go out at 12 and break would happen at like

10 or so

[solar wraith]

Fuck I forgot then

I was mispositioned for it

[round hazel]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1491472063
I lil late in my clip because I was first

but yeah 7 or 8

is when it broke

[solar wraith]

I was late because I was mispositioned

[round hazel]

ah

[solar wraith]

And because I'm a moron

[round hazel]

lol

[solar wraith]

Been stuck in Pinax prog all day

[round hazel]

tbf i fucking an evant into the wall there multiple times

[solar wraith]

And I've only gotten to CC once

How much health should the boss be at when CC starts

[round hazel]

as long as you are directly across from where you are tether too, and immediately move into the area where the first conal is you should be safe as far as positioning goes

[solar wraith]

Yeah, I wasn't across my tether

[round hazel]

Probally like 15-18% i would guess

CC is fast

[solar wraith]

Legit lobotomized

[round hazel]

we always save second pot for CC

and now that we are BiS for all DPS we barely see second conal sets

[solar wraith]

So we weren't even close to then

[round hazel]

oh shit

you guys were at 24%

no

lol

[solar wraith]

Yeahhh

[round hazel]

apologies I am confused by your ui

[solar wraith]

I think I was doing ok damage

[round hazel]

wheres the lb bar

[solar wraith]

Under my hotbars

[round hazel]

o

also the smn wasnt doing much damage wise

so thatll be it

[solar wraith]

I see

They should be doing more than the BRD no

[round hazel]

well they are doing less then the two tanks in that image lo

[nova socket]

a very sizeable amount more yes

[round hazel]

But yeah

[solar wraith]

Oh lol I didn't even notice

[round hazel]

I have a smn in my static let me see their dabblage

yeah uh alotta more xD

[nova socket]

at 45k group dps post buffs no matter if you did the mechanic correctly or not

that pull would not be a clear pull

[round hazel]

isnt it 48k?

[nova socket]

yeh

[solar wraith]

We did almost wipe I think

[nova socket]

but you just had a 2min and pot window

[solar wraith]

Oh wait, that was the previous wipe

[round hazel]

I dont really know how pfs perform in terms of damage

[solar wraith]

It's a toss up

[round hazel]

My static always sits around 51-54k depending on the fight

[solar wraith]

Sometimes you get purple parsers, often times only you and a tank parse great while the rest parse greys

[round hazel]

because comp is DNC, DRG, RDM, NIN, WHM, GNB, WAR, SCH

[solar wraith]

Am I doing ok for damage though?

[round hazel]

the SCH does the majority of healing and WHM chases crits.

[solar wraith]

Like, is it clear-worthy

[round hazel]

Check logs : P

8.4 is good enough I think

Im not a melee player but thats good

[nova socket]

8.4k is enough to clear

[round hazel]

Im a filthy DNC

idk what damage is

[solar wraith]

This can't be right

[round hazel]

its not

or atleast I dont think its representive of the actual fight

[solar wraith]

Yeah

[torn mesa]

never look at the parse percentile of wipes

I'm not sure how they calc that, but it's utter garbage

[nova socket]

8.1k post pot window itll prob drop 100 or so

Proll yaround a low green?

more than enough to clear still

[solar wraith]

Green for a first kill would've been great

[round hazel]

me

pepega

[solar wraith]

I see

[round hazel]

wait no rip thats p3s

Im still bad at p4

[torn mesa]

this is the most scuffed clear I've done

of P4SP2

[round hazel]

p41 Im so bad

[torn mesa]

where we had a party wide DD

[round hazel]

Like what the fuck is this

can I not green

[solar wraith]

I just wanna clear

[torn mesa]

this is a crude generalization

but if you're in a party where people aren't doing enough damage

they likely aren't passing mechanics either

[solar wraith]

I know what I did wrong and will try to not fuck up again

[round hazel]

or pressing no buttons

[torn mesa]

and if you're in a party where they are doing enough damage, they just need to not die

and you will get the clear

if people are clearing with pentamelded gear week 1

and nowadays most clear parties average is like 598

[solar wraith]

The SMN did wipe us a few times in Act 1 and 2

[nova socket]

this is how my first tier looked like as well

[torn mesa]

clear party. act 1 wipes

there's something really wrong there

[round hazel]

how the fuck do you have so many clears

[solar wraith]

They were greeding Ifrit

[nova socket]

thats not a lot

[torn mesa]

this is my first tier

[solar wraith]

And didn't soak their tower

[nova socket]

you don't want to see whats a lot

[round hazel]

OH

THATS THE WHOLE TIER

I fucking had a heart attack

[round hazel]

thought it was hippo or something

[nova socket]

lemme open

the next tier

...

[torn mesa]

all that shit

was me spent killing door boss

[round hazel]

How do I see tier

Asphodelos was my first

[solar wraith]

Do people have grey parses in door boss as well

[torn mesa]

yes

[solar wraith]

I feel extremely shit when I get a 3

[torn mesa]

get killed by anyone during door boss

and it's an easy grey

[nova socket]

[solar wraith]

[torn mesa]

you also can't view by an entire tier sarah

niko's was just 1 boss

presumably the 1 he did the most kills on

[round hazel]

oh

[nova socket]

the first image was just titan which was last boss of my first tier

[torn mesa]

my best median

is on P4SP2

[round hazel]

Thats alot to me lol

[round hazel]

I have a single orange

and im happy

I was aiming for blue this tier

as it was my first

[torn mesa]

I got a pink without BiS

I'm happy too

[nova socket]

when u get gear youll easily get purples etc

[torn mesa]

but uh...

odd patch

[nova socket]

this was my first tier

at the end

[round hazel]

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/JPaqdm6VHcYCAxDG#fight=5&type=damage-done

[round hazel]

This was my best parse

[torn mesa]

this is how mine looks

7 weeks into reclears, haven't won shit from P4S

[round hazel]

I dont envy pf

: P static is a must for me

[torn mesa]

guess why P2S/P3S

are my worst medians

[nova socket]

I used to enjoy pf just to learn the game

Now idk I can't its too tilting

[torn mesa]

I'm already at that point

I came from an MMO where I had basically the perfect clan

to run shit with

[torn mesa]

did you start with a static right away

or did you PF a bit first

[round hazel]

Idk how to even start with p3s PF

[torn mesa]

when I was doing P3S in PF, it was actually okay in my experience

P4S was the fucking nightmare

[nova socket]

I had a friends group from another game

first tier I cleared with like 4 friends and 3 pf

[torn mesa]

all my friends are on aether, but the IRL friends who wanted to play are on primal

turns out they don't raid, so now I'm on primal till 6.18

[nova socket]

second tier I got into week 1 group somehow by luck

[torn mesa]

blind week 1 prog is probably the funnest part of raiding TBH

[nova socket]

ofc

too bad the tiers only last 1/2 days now

[torn mesa]

I went back to see the list of first kills for savage tiers

and the longest that was "recent"

was like O12S

which was still only 2 days

[solar wraith]

I hope to clear P4S this week

Hopefully I don't fuck up that badly again

[round hazel]

ur fine it took my static three prog seesions to get timing right

[frank swallow]

people are progging for P4S while i am still stuck at P3S

[vernal breach]

just skip p3s ;D

[frank swallow]

Uh i am A2C basically atm

[solar wraith]

Whats A2C

[frank swallow]

aim to clear

[solar wraith]

I see

[frank swallow]

i have seen all mechs just gotta get lucky

[solar wraith]

Some people that have cleared before usually join clear parties to practice their alt jobs

Basically just get lucky, yeah

[frank swallow]

trap parties also exist

[molten moon]

Best shot would be an any chest party

[vernal breach]

the best shot is to disguise your clear party as a parse party, and attract get some crackheads to join your party

and hope no one looks at your stats

[solar wraith]

That's an easy way to get blacklisted

[pallid gorge]

in other words, start your own trap party

[solar wraith]

But yes, any-chest clear parties will get you the clear I think

[vernal breach]

[frank swallow]

[frank swallow]

uh

does someone know what macro to follow for D1 for the gloryplume #2

[grand mesa]

check the jp macro discord

[frank swallow]

jp?

[grand mesa]

?

there's a discord that has macros for jp dcs

[frank swallow]

yea but it doesn't state the one for gloryplume #2

[grand mesa]

ask

if there isnt a set spread

its probably a case of

use eyes

[frank swallow]

bruh if it is stack then it is easy

but spread

💀

[grand mesa]

assuming that ur doing hr/tm spreads

[frank swallow]

it will get chaotic

[grand mesa]

u only ever

have to adjust to the other melee dps

[frank swallow]

i got like D1 H1 H2 D2 then H1 D1 D2 H2

which is North obviously

[grand mesa]

yes

for spreads, you're probably going to the left facing boss

after getting kb';ed into nado

[frank swallow]

erh

are we talking about the same stuff

i am referring to the gloryplume after FoA phase after death toll

[grand mesa]

og

oh

thought you meant the knockback after

[frank swallow]

nah that is gucci xD

[grand mesa]

probably the same spread

as the first gloryplume after adds

[undone quest]

Sorry just wondering what channel I would put an attempt for o1s in?

[round hazel]

Not here.

[verbal oak]

best bet would be in #materia recruitment or in game

[undone quest]

Okay thank you

[round hazel]

It's the same as the first Gloryplume groups. Just be sure to move on seeing the orange ball and you good

It's a lot faster

[frank swallow]

i see so just go north then i will be on the left first

[potent jasper]

thonk

if u do TR HM for nados, then u dont have to worry bout spread

ranged run to hide, tanks go melee

melees go melee, healers hide

[fervent bane]

talking about the plume after deaths toll

which is TM north usually

[potent jasper]

oh you mean the yolo spreads

should be same as the first glory

[vernal breach]

i always do yolo spreads

[frank swallow]

panic recipe

[vernal breach]

test of my reflexes

[frank swallow]

your teammate looking at you

[drowsy agate]

I remember seeing a really clean uwu suppression gif in here somewhere