not as big as i expected
#endgame-lounge
steep summit
So what's affected by weekly lockout for alliance raid? Loot, coin, and?
tepid vine
Is Limbo set better than Classical? >A> ooooor...? I'm doing GNB,PLD, SAM, & RPR.
dull radish
similar ilvl pieces like that will be comparable and will come down to specific substats on the gear/the rest of the stats for the gear you're using. If you overmeld the crafted gear, or more ideally just augment it to i590, it'll generally be stronger across the board though
tepid vine
similar ilvl pieces like that will be comparable and will come down to specific ...
I can augment the limbo gear?
I thought it was certain types o.o
wheat marsh
Classical and Radiant can. Though currently, unless you're savage raiding, you can only augment 1 Radiant piece a week. and you'll be stuck with a 590 or 595 ilev weapon without savage for a while yet.
molten moon
Slight correction
You can augment multiple radiant pieces a week, since you can buy extra augment materials using hunt currency (nuts)
wheat marsh
i always forget thats a thing now XD probably because i came late to timegated tome gear in SB
steep summit
What’s the preferred way to get to 580? Crafted or raid gear?
torn kindle
Crafted will be fastest since you can just buy with Gil
torn kindle
And you can also upgrade the crafted gear to i590 with Aphorism tomestones
steep summit
Also why minimal tenacity for gnb?
torn kindle
It’s a bad scaling stat
Less damage than the other secondary stats, has bad mitigation scaling too
You need a lot of it to even hit 10% mitigation from it, let alone 5%
!faq stats
storm frostBOT
steep summit
So iLVL > BiS then?
lilac cipher
oh right the current bis is using crafted ring yeah
bis is what you should aim for yeah
but if you using augmented radiant + aspho, there shouldn't be much difference afaik
steep summit
Well eventually BiS but since I'm fresh in 90, then I assume I'm chasing ilvls first
lilac cipher
ah yeah
steep summit
Cause tbh right now I'm mulling over jumping to leviathan and grabbing crafted gear to skip the how to get savage ilvl headache
lilac cipher
get like 590, then you are gucci till P4S probably
and like get the ex3 bluefeather weapon for 595
steep summit
Whether I get gnb or sge up first depends on which pfs need so far for me
What's EX3 min ilvl again?
golden slate
Tanks don’t play this game
torn kindle
580
lilac cipher
well play what you like, not what the PF need
shouldn't be a problem, looking for the PF that need the job you play
steep summit
Well both of em..., I generally don't mind switching left and right
Is ex3 easier than sav?
lilac cipher
yeah
ex is a stepping stone for savage
gives decent weapon, that's what you need cause weapon damage is everything, lol
steep summit
Should I bother with radiant weps?
torn kindle
IMO no due to the Bluefeather weapons and augmented classical
You shouldn’t be losing to DPS checks from missing out on 5/10 ilvl this late into the tier
austere ocean
End singer is really easy
I fucking suck but I cleared it within 1.5 hour of release cuz the only real mechanic is the 5head and that’s just dealt dumbed down
steep summit
to be fair I literally cleared it with a 2nd PF, but the mech chain is overwhelming
esp since I'm throwing up barriers every 2 mechs
torn kindle
definitely Heavenly Heel if it's like the extreme
naive shale
ok let me rephrase the question just to double check
if the tankbuster give slash vul up is it a physical tank buster?
next kestrel
If you had a DRG, SMN, RPR and MCH, who should in theory be highest to lowest in dps. Not fight specific but just if you wailed at a striking dummy for example. Is there too many variables to accurately guess?
vernal breach
it'd prolly go smthn like... drg > rpr, and uuh a toss up between smn and mch for the bottom
i havent looked up stats in awhile 
theres probably some fight specifics that may sway in favor of either drg or rpr
and fight specifics that may sway in favor of either smn or mch....
but whats for sure that phys range are always outputting less than a phys melee (and summoner is like.. they're not even casters anymore lmao)
next kestrel
Thought so too, thank you.
stable basin
i’ve been in final boss queue for 3h on primal i hate it here
vernal breach
thaaaat cant be right, trial roulette exists :C
steep summit
i’ve been in final boss queue for 3h on primal i hate it here
DPS?
stable basin
nova fulcrum
if the tankbuster give slash vul up is it a physical tank buster?
Any time that a buster features a resistance down, assume that the next few attacks are of whatever danage type the resistance down is for, and will be lethal without an invuln or without you swapping with the off-tank
plush roost
Hi, so I have a quick few questions since I’m getting into late game savage content, & since I’m newer to the game, this is my first time being able to actively participate in it. Could anyone give some advice, or like… a few things I should keep in mind?
I know that’s incredibly broad, but are there things I should expect, mindsets to have… that kinda thing.
For clarity: I’m going in as a healer.
sinful brook
Are you doing this via party finder or do you have a group to go with?
Also bring food and use it food isn't optional
plush roost
A little bit of both. I have a group of say, three other people including myself, but we’re hoping to expand it.
sinful brook
Potting is optional until you want to push a clear but food is extra tankiness
Make sure you're at least mildly adequately geared
plush roost
I cook potage, so that shouldn’t be a problem.
Should I wait for my radiant set to do it? Or should I get an upgraded classical set?
sinful brook
Get whatever you can
plush roost
👍🏻
sinful brook
Upgrade whatever you can using aglaia coins and nuts
And also the upgrades classical
plush roost
I’m currently ILVL 590 or so, on a scholar. The last two pieces that need to be upgraded are my legs & boots.
sinful brook
That should be more than enough to go in
plush roost
What should I meld? I always found that bit confusing😭
Because I looked online & some of the stats didn’t work since it was for the Asphodelos set
sinful brook
Short answer: follow the melding priority and jam whatever fits in that prio for each piece
Crit > sps to comfort/alignment > dhit > det > pie
Looking up the pieces of your bis can give you a reflection of what your ending Statline should be around so you could try to emulate that to the best of what you have
plush roost
So what does spell speed, do? Does it make me cast spells faster? Or does it lower the global GCD
plush roost
oh wow
sinful brook
But there's the balancing trick
plush roost
mmhm.
sinful brook
You take it but not so much that it sacrifices other substats such as crit
plush roost
So just experiment so I can find where I’m comfortable.
sinful brook
Well the balance has some recommended sets
plush roost
ooh. I didn’t know they had those!
plush roost
there’s a mathematical processing here? oh i’m going to be right at home
sinful brook
But given that you're not in a full group and an unoptimized environment you might want a bit more to compensate
!faq balance
storm frostBOT
plush roost
If I were to have a static… who gets the loot first? Is there a class priority?
plush roost
I’m assuming it’s:
DPS > Tanks > Healers
swap tank or healer
sinful brook
They determine it amongst themselves but typically you funnel dps first yes
plush roost
what are some red flags for a static i should look out for?
sinful brook
Tanks tend to be last since if they don't already die to content at minilvl they can wait a bit
But every group does it differently
plush roost
thank you for your assistance! you’ve been a god send
drowsy agate
I’m assuming it’s:
DPS > Tanks > Healers
swap tank or healer
to add to this
you don't have to funnel DPS first
the reasoning behind DPS first is so you have. abetter chance to skip mechs when people do more damage
sinful brook
Obviously you're also at the mercy of whatever the rng gods give you as well
drowsy agate
more casual statics can distribute loot however you want
it won't impede the clear
loot distribution matters a lot more when your static wants to clear the tier within a week or two
sinful brook
If you get 2 rings in the chest 4 weeks in a row there's really not much to say about that
drowsy agate
but more casual statics that don't care whether they clear in a month or three don't really need to worry all that much about loot
sinful brook
Everyone will get stuff eventually
And it's not like you need the gear to meet dps checks
They just make it a tad more lenient
drowsy agate
especially in casual statics, it can be discouraging to your tanks and healers if they know they won't get loot for like 3 lockouts
sinful brook
Red flags to look out for: lots of people say couples in a static
drowsy agate
Red flags to look out for: lots of people say couples in a static
my wife and I raid separately partially because of this
sinful brook
It's been super hit or miss for me
On one hand I am super close to my friends who are dating and they're great players and we all work well together
On the other my uwu static had a gamer pranged and a healer whom idk really knew what we were getting into
There was some friction to say the least
Another red flag is when you find the environment isn't conducive to the goal you/group set out
Say you wanted a casual environment and one member is just always passive aggressive or picking on someone after every little thing
I'm talking beyond constructive criticism
drowsy agate
I think it's important to mention that all statics only prog as fast as their weakest link
sinful brook
Conversely on the other end you're pushing for like a w1 or w2 clear and you have a member that's clearly holding you all back and refuses to either put in time to improve or take criticism
Or statics that don't communicate
Scheduling issues is another
drowsy agate
also not just couples in a static
but if you detect romance starting to happen
there's a reason why lots of workplaces discourage workplace romance
of course there's a chance it's fine, but that also opens the door to a bunch of other risks
frank quiver
Heyo, does anyone know what the most consistent strat is for PlayStation tethers? I’ve been getting second ticked at times. :’)
bleak yoke
there's a few strats for playstation and they all work pretty consistently, just gotta stand in boss hitbox when tethers apply and walk out after kb
sinful brook
Heyo, does anyone know what the most consistent strat is for PlayStation tethers...
here's one idea that minimizes the amount of movement needed given that we know which roles can have what playstation key assigned
nova socket
wait theres thinking needed?
all but the double doom/double non-doom are static and you just don't stand on top of eachother 
frank quiver
here's one idea that minimizes the amount of movement needed given that we know ...
That’s similar to what we’re doing. Probably just need more practice. 
weary bone
Are there any differences between the current Savage and Ultimate weapons?
iirc they're the same ilvl
steady pebble
the ultimate weapons have an extra meld slot
weary bone
Huh, so 2 vs 3?
steady pebble
yarp
wheat marsh
so if you're lucky, an extra tier of a stat.
lyric shore
I CLEARED UWU :D/
weary bone
nice
torn kindle
finite plank
does it count as a weekly reward received
bleak yoke
yes it does
im pretty sure anyway
didnt get a book once in p4 because inven full then it counted as reward recieved 💀
austere ocean
https://twitter.com/udravirias/status/1524231459577290752?s=21&t=V6Lqlq98EtPO47z...
This is when you reclear anyway. Or use the one time item retrieve from the gm
I mean I feel like once you clear it, you can do it again
So it’s not that big of a deal for people who have it on farm
bleak yoke
it's a 19min fight
that's mechanically difficult to execute
supple sail
austere ocean
it's a 19min fight
that's mechanically difficult to execute
Yea? And they cleared it once they will clear it again. I know Udra personally and he has been farming ultimate for ages with statics and pugs
austere ocean
Once again that doesn’t matter. People reclear just for the sake of practice
i recleared tea just cuz I love that fight and I have 15 extra totems after buying all the weapons for 2 accounts 
subtle marsh
And even then people might want multiple weapons for other jobs.
Outside of just for practice.
bleak yoke
that's not a weekly 
subtle marsh
It's not unheard of.
You... can though?
Because if you clear it once a week that is reclearing?
bleak yoke
I genuinely can't tell if this is to me or green 💀
subtle marsh
To you, excuse me.
bleak yoke
I said farm
not reclear
finite plank
it goes both ways
finite plank
it's locked behind weekly cause SE thinks it matters. People wouldnt care if it's unlocked or locked, because they know they're gonna clear it anyways.
bleak yoke
it's locked because it's 605 weaps
finite plank
Personally, I find it dumb that they lock it but w/e, i'm not gonna do it now
bleak yoke
the weapons aren't glam rn, they're bis
subtle marsh
Savage weapon has always been BIS.
finite plank
clear dsr just for spiritbond
austere ocean
clear dsr just to take picture with the cool background
subtle marsh
You can "farm" weekly. Because you're still getting the clear, you're still getting the totems. You're only doing it once per week as that is all you are permitted until unlock. It's the exact same as Savage. They're only just trying to arbitrarily extend the life of new content.
Reclear is fundamentally the same because you... are literally clearing it again.
austere ocean
^
You can clear the fight however many times you want
And for the case in that tweet, they are an extremely skilled group, getting an extra totem for the person ain’t no sweat for them
bleak yoke
Savage weapon has always been BIS.
dsu weap is factually better
but obv it's more for flex reasons
that's why it's capped
also I consider farming as back to back, not just once a week
subtle marsh
No... In a month or two it literally becomes irrelevant.
Once next savage tier comes out.
You aren't doing ultimate for the weapon bis.
And I quite pity people who do.
bleak yoke
but for rn it's bis what do you not understand there
that's why it's capped, I'm not saying you should do it for the weapon stats I'm saying the reason why it's capped 💀
bleak yoke
it's locked because it's 605 weaps
read
subtle marsh
I mean. I honestly am not the one who does not understand that reclears and farming are the same.
bleak yoke
but they aren't??
atleast in my eyes
I already said I consider farming as back to back, and uncapped
austere ocean
I mean streamers are spamming dsr reclear with or without the totems or not just cuz why not
austere ocean
Yea I would do it on alt jobs and all
undone tide
you telling me you have bis on more than 1 alt job?
austere ocean
Also technically once you cleared a fight you are having it on farm
bleak yoke
and uncapped
undone tide
not necessarily
austere ocean
Farm is a reclear. And you can farm more than just gear. People just farm logs for example
undone tide
you can clear a fight and not have it on farm
austere ocean
Depends on what you are farming
bleak yoke
well for the purpose of the conversation
in order for farm = reclear, everything that applies to 1 has to apply to the other, and vice versa
austere ocean
pretty sure it’s uncapping next patch, so in like 3 months anyway
bleak yoke
it can't be technicality bullshit
bleak yoke
pretty sure it’s uncapping next patch, so in like 3 months anyway
later isn't now
this discussion is happening now, not later
and right now, dsu is capped
austere ocean
Once again, it does not matter. Clear it once? Clear it again, no big deal.
undone tide
Or y'know
Just ask a GM
It literally does not matter
99.999% of this server won't clear DSR before it gets unlocked anyway
self included
bleak yoke
Once again, it does not matter. Clear it once? Clear it again, no big deal.
you still can't farm the totem
undone tide
are parse parties farm parties?
austere ocean
Knowing Udra, he’s definitely gonna log farm 
undone tide
anyway seeing people with shit hours be like
"aiming to clear before 6.2"
have fun w that bucko
"yeah we're just gonna raid 9 hours"
"can't be that hard"
austere ocean
"yeah we're just gonna raid 9 hours"
My static actually
But they aren’t like hard set to 6.2
It’s just a goal
subtle marsh
My static actually
Literal pain.
austere ocean
subtle marsh
I can't imagine gaming like that for 9 hours.
austere ocean
I asked for more hours but people have irl things they can’t get around
They said we can do a 4th and 5th day on a case by case basis and only if everyone are up for it. Replacement will only deprog and overall a waste of time
I think that’s fair. I just hope we get more hours in
round hazel
I mean my group did prog for 6hrs straight and could've gone longer
It's not that bad when the fight was fun, we wouldn't do it for p3s for example
subtle marsh
You do 9 hours a day ish and still want more?! Absolute madlad.
grand mesa
I mean my group did prog for 6hrs straight and could've gone longer
where's your group at btw
as far as savage goes
grand mesa
ah, nice
round hazel
I love how easily we delete p1-p3 now
undone tide
You do 9 hours a day ish and still want more?! Absolute madlad.
They mean a week 
austere ocean
I mean I used to do like 12 hours a day when I tried to clear the tier
I can do long hours. Just with breaks in between
vernal breach
i could probably play pld forever an ever with the actual limiting factors being things like patience than fatigue
round hazel
No I mean a day
nova socket
6-8 hours is short raid
stable basin
What’s the difference between augmented and the Pandäemonium gear?
lyric summit
which augmented, radiant or crafted, and which pandaemonium, normal or savage
i guess i600 tome vs savage, just secondaries
some jobs perform better with speed and others with crit etc, best in slot sets are a mix of both
but depending on what your skill level and end goal of raiding is, you often don't need the mathematically best possible set
drowsy agate
What’s the difference between augmented and the Pandäemonium gear?
tldr; substat distribution
assuming you're talking about the i600 augmented and panda savage gear
wheat marsh
generally whichever gives the biggest Crit hit boost is BiS but the balance has official lists of top gear sets based on tiering
burnt sedge
queen marten
Is GBN rotation really hard ? I had been leveling it ( at 70 atm ) because i find PLD boring but I am worried about screwing up the rotation. I heard it is hard according to novice chat
pallid gorge
practice makes perfect
drowsy agate
it's not "hard", but you're punished for misaligning your cooldowns with your no mercy window
pretty much means you want to press every cooldown button right on target without any delays
torn kindle
Hardest of the tanks IMO
queen marten
Oh dear. I had been misaligning them if i have to do mech
Would eh dark knight be easier ? It is at 64 but well i had been grinding dungeon so i don't mind switching at this point. Only warrior is far behind at 40
torn mesa
when you're asking hard or easy
you should always specify do you mean floor or ceiling
pallid gorge
and even that has a strict window to fit all things in
twilit valve
I find DRK intimidating because of its resource management
As a GNB I worry about my cartridges and aligning shit with No Mercy
I have no idea about skill ceiling. It’s probably high for both
weary bone
IMO DRK is pretty easy
your damage buff is permanently on, unlike GNB and I think PLD?
so there's no worries about misaligning that
torn kindle
My difficulty "slider" for tanks is WAR>DRK>>>>>>>PLD/GNB
I hate PLD/GNB due to how their rotation just naturally drifts
vernal breach
war difficult..?
weary bone
easy>hard
vernal breach
waat drk is hard as shit
weary bone
how tho
torn kindle
Only the opener feels hard for me as DRK
verbal oak
DRK has a decent floor but outside of tbn the ceiling is pretty low
torn kindle
if you don't try to optimize hardcore for the 2-minute burst windows, it's decently easy
verbal oak
Once you know burst you can play the job pretty well
vernal breach
drk is like all the pain of gnb, but with gauge management
weary bone
pretty sure the only content where freestyling won't get the job done is Savage and up
vernal breach
i could probably free style all the tanks and play fairly optimally
maybe to a lesser degree pld, cuz itsl ike.. spreadsheet memorzation
like uknow that shit or ya dont
torn kindle
with how late in the tier it is, DPS checks are basically just "how many people died"
torn kindle
🤢
torn kindle
My brazilian friend cries at this with her ping
but she still manages oranges/pinks \o/
onyx nimbus
grand mesa
with how late in the tier it is, DPS checks are basically just "how many people ...
not even
ive had a 3 blackmage party almost clear p4p1 after 14 or so deaths once 
torn kindle
okay so maybe closer to "did you find your keyboard/controller"
noble lichen
hi
wheat marsh
are you rolling your gcd?
as BLM? no.
wheat marsh
im either dead or avoiding death. thunder and scathe it is!
grand mesa
scathe wont stop you from dying to someone clipping you in spreads.
i've got purples in all the fights now anyway, so idrc
wheat marsh
if i went in anything as BLM im pretty certain it would count as griefing.
grand mesa
get used to the kit in nm fights
learning to use aeth manip without clipping a gcd is a big one
wheat marsh
yeah i dont think i've ever touched that in combat
grand mesa
changes the class completely with what kind of shit you can get away with once you learn to use it well
its pretty fun zipping around
wheat marsh
i clip enough as it is using swift and triple and sharp XD
and interrupts trying to not die
fervent bane
finally getting around to doing p4s and i really overestimated the difficulty of the fight...
p2 is actually super fun
grand mesa
The difficulty spike from p2 to p3 is pretty big
And p1s might as well be a training dummy
fervent bane
i expected a similar jump from p3 to p4
really isn't the case
granted it was probably a lot harder week 1 lol
grand mesa
The only hard part about p4s compared to p3s was the dps check week one, genuinely
I feel like it's an easier fight to execute than p3s
And current gear this late into the tier makes the dps check easy to meet as long as everyone's playing decently
torn mesa
pinax is still a more interesting mechanic than anything P3S has
P3S is only 'difficult' because every mechanic it has requires all 8 people to be aware and alive, and the weakest link in the chain can easily single handedly cause a wipe
grand mesa
It's still more difficult on that basis
Not to mention the fight being incredibly backloaded
quick verge
well yea that's the nature of most 3rd floors vs 4th floors
3rd floors are 11 min slogs that introduce mechanics and then combine them later on
while 4th floors have their main mechanics consist of deciphering puzzles/debuffs and putting the parts together to a workable solution
round hazel
Act 4 is kicking our asses rn
quick verge
if u dont blind prog it then the difficulty in 4th floors is mostly eliminated compared to 3rd floors where it might take a few attempts to get the (usually tighter) execution down
round hazel
We don't break tethers fast enough on dark orbs
The white orb and dark orb heart stake shenanigan
grand mesa
Oh, that one
round hazel
I also swapped to DNC for p4s so that's been fun
grand mesa
Blue tethers go across and cw one
Pinks cw 1 from tether point
Wait for raidwide and go to towers, then head to 3 to break north tether first, moving cw
It's not a complicated mech
frank quiver
Ya. It always feels like 3rd floor = consistency problem and 4th floor = puzzle problem. Which is why I’d love to blind prog a tier at some point.
P3S is a consistency problem for my computer as well… on bad days, I lag during Firestorms. 
So glad I’m done with the tier. No more of that.
grand mesa
I like p3s as a fight
I just absolutely fucking despise having to pf it
Really reminds me of how stupid and bad some people can be
frank quiver
Our static memed hard on P3S, so I am bitter and biased about it. 😆
Hm. That said, one thing I enjoyed (that others didn’t)— the dog shadows from E10S. I thought they were fun. 
grand mesa
My static memes hard on it too, but it's fun if it's with people I actually like
And my static members aren't shit at the game either
So I know they're just making mistakes instead of actually inting
frank quiver
Our static is above average and I trust ‘em all, but I also understand the importance of team morale. P3S memeing started dragging that hard. :’)
grand mesa
I'd like e10 if orbs weren't bullshit
frank quiver
Oh, yeah… I’m not a fan of orbs. Uptime dogs it, please. Unironically.
frank quiver
Tether mechanics tend to be finicky as well. Wish targeting (?) was more fine-tuned in this game.
Dunno if “targeting” is the right phrase for it.
grand mesa
There are ways to make tethers more manageable at least
But that usually involves trying to get the melee to not move for a gcd
Which is
Apparently pretty hard
According to some pfs I've been in
frank quiver
Alternatively, you can have your melee move and deliver a tether, lmao. It’s more work, but I guess that’s your only option if melee can’t sit still. 
grand mesa
I don't trust people in pf enough to be able to do that
frank quiver
Fair enough.
torn mesa
for any tether mechanic
it's always better to have the person who needs the tether
come pick it up from the stationary person who's supposed to drop it off
frank quiver
I agree, which is why “party stack south” is the go-to strat for some tether mechanics.
But…
Shit happens.
torn mesa
reasoning is super simple too: the person who needs the tether needs to move after getting the tether
the person dropping the tether doesn't, and thus it's just better to have them stay 1 spot the whole mechanic
frank quiver
P3S PF with tanks stealing a singular tether from each other…
torn mesa
that's usually because the OT is too slow
as the OT, if you just move into boss hitbox, you will guarantee a tether on you no matter what
then you move out right away
frank quiver
Ya, but they’re tanks. They can move and press buttons. There’s plenty of time.
If you see it happening— adjust.
grand mesa
Pf is dogshit
torn mesa
there's always someone who just doesn't stack
frank quiver
The tether dilemma: “Should I trust the person to eventually get it, or should I sacrifice myself and run out of the party with it?”
undone tide
P3S is fine
grand mesa
I had people wall us at darkfire because our healers were too stupid to throw gcds into the fires and expected dps to do all the work
undone tide
Even in pf
grand mesa
First day of reset, sure
quick verge
The tether dilemma: “Should I trust the person to eventually get it, or should I...
stand with the party so they die if you die
torn mesa
I had people wall us at darkfire because our healers were too stupid to throw gc...
a DPS can solo it, but it's embarrassing either way
wheat marsh
But that usually involves trying to get the melee to not move for a gcd
no cast time plus positionals = i never stop moving XD
torn mesa
because then you get the case where 2 healers
are on the same darkened fire
and fail it somehow
grand mesa
a DPS can solo it, but it's embarrassing either way
I'm blowing exactly one (1) xenoglossy on my fire, if it doesn't fucking die after that it isn't my fucking problem
frank quiver
stand with the party so they die if you die
I stood still as BLM, but as BRD, I’d sometimes scooch back so the party would die and I wouldn’t.
grand mesa
Yes
torn mesa
if the person I'm with is even somewhat aware
grand mesa
I don't have two instants to share
torn mesa
it dies before the 2nd goes off
torn mesa
yeah 1 xeno should be enough
grand mesa
Yeah
frank quiver
Well, P3S is still clearable even with the damage down from not killing darkfires.
grand mesa
I saw xeno take a fire down to half and the braindead sge I was with on the intercard not hit the fire at all
Actual brainworms
frank quiver
So… you don’t have to wall it if you don’t care about parse.
wheat marsh
Well, P3S is still clearable even with the damage down from not killing darkfire...
but if the group isn't killing the darkfires, is the team good enough to deal damage?
frank quiver
Wait, ACT logs the DPS you do on fires that can’t be damaged yet?
frank quiver
but if the group isn't killing the darkfires, is the team good enough to deal da...
Eh, the overall DPS check is lenient. You can carry that check as long as folks don’t die too often.
grand mesa
Wait, ACT logs the DPS you do on fires that can’t be damaged yet?
Doubt it
frank quiver
just have a party with padders so every fire dies before they're even vulnerable
^
That’s why I was asking.
grand mesa
Hitting an immune fire probably brings back a 0 hit on log
frank quiver
Yeah, I would hope so. 
grand mesa
Padding just involves using aoes when all 4 are vuln, unless I'm missing some secret tech
grand mesa
Thank god Bird padding isn't a thing anymore
Though
I'm guilty of delaying the bird kill too close to comfort just so my pot aligns with buffs
Anyways
pf is dogshit
I went through 5 different 2 chests that walled at various parts of the fight for some ungodly reason
Then I just gave up and made a 0 chest that cleared in 2 pulls
round hazel
It's not a complicated mech
It's not, my group just hasn't done it fast enough
grand mesa
Where all you get are the dogshit players
grand mesa
It's not, my group just hasn't done it fast enough
Ah, fair
As soon as the first set of towers pop you want to be heading to a cardinal to start breaking tethers, really
torn mesa
if you're purple on N/NW, you should be moving to break the moment you soaked a tower
bold prawn
can crafted gear let you be savage ready?
peak reef
I will never pf p3S
I tried it before, p3s prog parties are on some type of drug
"No, elmo is a dumb strat, one person dies everyone else dies"
Yes, so does every other strat for that part
tries to gaslight the party into doing the strat their way
peak reef
amazes me some people are picky about doing strats in the most difficult way possible
peak reef
man, so hard to stand still
right?!
some pf's will have you do extra steps for a simple mechanic that really shouldn't take that much effort
I came for a clear, not to learn the fitness pacer test
pallid gorge
what was the p3s of old expacs? I started around 5.3 and nothing has been that shitty to pf 
verbal oak
what was the p3s of old expacs? I started around 5.3 and nothing has been that s...
e10s was fuckin annoying n pf from what i heard
people would just die to orbs
all the damn time
pallid gorge
Most confusion came from whether tanks orbs are fixed or not but wasnt too bad here
but i can see all the memes ye
pallid gorge
the worst of 9-12s here was probably Shiva trap party
pallid gorge
e8s with its strats were also rough too
the light rampant one?
torn kindle
O10S was pretty annoying with the tank debuffs and the add phase, IIRC
pallid gorge
was that when tanks still have defensive and offensive stances?
torn kindle
yes
nova socket
All pf p3s strats are dogshit for consistency
grand mesa
"No, elmo is a dumb strat, one person dies everyone else dies"
Yes, so does ever...
tbf, it's harder to fuck myta up.
Seen way too many wrong nado baits on elmo
or people being in the wrong spot and baiting e/w nado by accident
vernal breach
myta also seperates the healers so its unlikely for you to nuke both of em
round hazel
I do want to try this funny ass strat one day, though
My static try doing that for so long and it never worked once
torn mesa
"No, elmo is a dumb strat, one person dies everyone else dies"
Yes, so does ever...
but that's just not the case
myta won't kill everyone and will actually allow you to salvage the run with healer LB3
and the only difference is it moves healers to bait southern tornados
nova socket
Elmo is the worst popular pf strat ive seen in the game
undone tide
People overblow it's shittiness tbh
vernal breach
i really dont see why you would ever do it ;l
one of the nontanks bait the bottom left nado by standing too close to it
and kills everyone
that.... happens remarkably frequently actully
undone tide
it has literally never happened to me
vernal breach
worse yet is the group getting clipped by the bottom right nado cone
theres like a half dozen ways it can go wrong, and no way to salvage the situation if it goes wrong
its.. not good 🤷♀️
torn mesa
why PF does it?
simple: anything but actually assigning personal responsibility
even if said strat is complete trash
vernal breach
well, there kinda is personal responsibility tho
vernal breach
like when elmo wipes the party
thats a consequence in someone failing their fucking positioning
thats not too different from any other strat
torn mesa
I just don't understand why you wouldn't do myta instead
vernal breach
which is why.. YA SHOULD DO MYTA
torn mesa
when it's largely the same thing, but won't yeet your healers if someone is being an idiot
like if you're doing elmo, it's straight up safer for you to go where the N tornado bait is
if you're ranged
instead of stacking NW
vernal breach
trivial really, its the melee and healers im worried about
and range is probably already N baiting
and the caster prolly doesnt wanna that far north
torn mesa
no like
if you're a healer
or caster
you don't even want to stack at 'C'
you want to stack where the north nado bait is
cause it's actually safer for you that way
the only people that have no choice but to go to the NW is the melees
vernal breach
bitch if they were gonna take their sweet time running to the north nado, they might as well go bait the lef tand right nados
torn mesa
yep
and it doesn't even make sense, you're not running more or less
no matter where you go
you have so much time to preposition
you can basically get there via slide casting only
vernal breach
2 days for p1,2s
2 weeks for p3s
steep summit
True, I keep seeing all the parties still at p3s and p4s
And I still gotta play weekly BiS roulette
molten moon
2 days for p1,2s
2 weeks for p3s <:haha:240841245239410688>
Don't call me out like that
Thought I could prog p3s in a week with how I sped through p1s and p2s
PF did a good job of crushing my hopes and dreams 
grand mesa
The difficulty spike from p2 to p3 is pretty huge
Too much for some people, apparently
molten moon
Everything is adds prog, even post adds mechanics
grand mesa
Was worse in week 1
People walling at darkfire because they can't use their fucking eyes
molten moon
I think I was in p3s during week 3 or 4
People walling at adds cuz not enough damage to kill the 2nd set
3 prog sessions, never saw past adds
2nd and 3rd was just adds prog
molten moon
Would still be the same if they're rocking up with i580, no?
grand mesa
Crafted gear can be
molten moon
Bold of you to assume people will augment crafted
grand mesa
Turned into i590
And
Most of everyone had a mix of 600 pieces on their main classes due to aglaia.
Not unreasonable to ask for 590 min in p3s onwards now tbh
vernal breach
i'd just ask for 595 min nowadays
my faith in strangers capacity to do p3s is extremely low
molten moon
Ah yes, reclear memes
steep summit
- Be me
- be looking up if anyone parsing in me party
- be looking at P1S clear
- I am the sage before anyone rants
vernal breach
oh yeah, p1s
remarkably easy
remarkably accessible
alot of... bottom barrel players
steep summit
Well clear’s a clear, and I apparently died thrice
oak sinew
can anyone explain how loot for savage works. Ive cleared p1s and p2s with months between and I still have reward recieved from both. And while practicing for p3s this week ive been locked out from queuing into it due to not having cleared the previous again but today not having that? Im so lost with this xd
vernal breach
sooooo....
you dont really have to have completed the previous tiers
you just need the party leader to have done it so they queue in and drag you with them
annnnd if you queue into p3s, you forgeit all loot from the previous raids
oak sinew
just queing into p3s removes the rewards from the previous? or completion
lyric summit
entering the instance
oak sinew
;O
ok good to know
and it resets on weekly reset
so if I locked myself out I can get the rewards then
@lyric summit@vernal breachty for the clear up Ive been confuffled by this for months not knowing ive been stopping myself from loot
grand mesa
honestly
if you dont play other jobs and you already have bis from 1 and 2
skipping isnt really
entirely unreasonable
vernal breach
well, it does give you a warning message
when you try to queue into a higher tier than what you've completed for the week
lol
oak sinew
I just do the raids for 1 clear and avoid after xd
subtle marsh
Well clear’s a clear, and I apparently died thrice
If you're looking for improvement, try using xiva.
Unfortunately if you're not bis it'll be harder to get good parses.
steep summit
Yeah I’ve been slotting them into XIVa, that’s how I figured I died thrice.
Still had grey on P2S, but I had 90% uptime on most things there, just died near the very end.
The main appeal of seeing those parses is seeing that I am infact improving with reclears and gear (see endsinger)
fervent bane
it's a great feeling to see yourself actually improving
and just knowing what you could've done better is an easy way to do so^^ XIVa helps a lot with that
finite plank
90% with three deaths seem accurate
frank quiver
90% uptime is fine if you’re just coming from EX and going into the tier. Tbh, I’d prioritize survivability and doing mechanics properly for your first clears. And if you’re constantly improving, that’s what matters.
nova socket
maybe it counts the long animation youre getting ressed but its definitely not while ur on the floor
finite plank
eh, i'll leave it as a mystery, run's fucked with any death, especially right before 120
wheat marsh
xiva counts any time the boss is targetable as potential uptime
if you dead, its counted as missed uptime unless the boss isnt targetable
torn mesa
I think it goes beyond that even
because if you go xivanalysis for any P3S, you'll always see your GCD uptime being total 'trash'
despite boss not being targetable for huge periods of it
wheat marsh
idk if it also counts adds targetable time before adds become vulnerable
but i did happen to ask their discord about deaths during uptime so i know it always counts targetable time, just not certain if it restricts it to damageable targetable.
torn mesa
?
huh, that's weird I could've sworn when I was looking at some old analysis, it was showing really low %.
I checked again with some of my logs as well, and yeah it seems to work, as in uptime is around 99%. I think I probably confused the number on analysis with the number on logs, cause I remember 1 of them saying uptime% around 80%~ for P3S
steep summit
90% with three deaths seem accurate
3 deaths on p1s, the 90% was referring to P2S with the one death at I think 5% HP or so
But yes, I will work on not dying cause panic healing everyone else over the week when I get back
mighty agate
How do y'all consistently clear fourfold shackles ? It's always a bit of a crapshoot for me
naive shale
i mean
just assign abcd 1234 = 3 8 13 18
and just do the order
some even just say fuck it and go to any spot they want as long as 4 red outside 4 purple inside
mighty agate
Yeah I know the start, just pulling it off is hard for me, I get stressed trying to find my position
naive shale
i dont think i can help with that, you have 3 sec or even more to look at your debuff, look which tower you go and go there
it's quite an ample amount of time
and dont try to adjust for others incase they are in your spot
if you still arent used to mechanic just focus on your part and ignore the others
finite plank
there's another few more seconds after it expires into another debuff that actually goes off
naive shale
if you are in practice party, best i can say is just bang your head with that mechanic till you dont know how you can even pullm it off
naive shale
there's another few more seconds after it expires into another debuff that actua...
yeah i forgot the timer for the 2nd debuff to run out
lol
1 or 2 sec? im not sure
you can pop sprint if needed
mighty agate
if you are in practice party, best i can say is just bang your head with that me...
Nah I've cleared P1S 4 times I'm not in practice parties. It's just that mech that's iffy for me
I guess at some point you just memorize which debuff is which position but I'm not there yet
naive shale
pretty much yeah
you can just have stick note near you or something if you need reminder
pallid gorge
just be aware of where the shortest go and you’re set. The other 3 can adjust on the fly
obviously still better to know for sure in all 4 cases but that’s the cheat way
grand mesa
How do y'all consistently clear fourfold shackles ? It's always a bit of a craps...
my flowchart is just
stand mid
orient camera north
stare at debuff bar
move to spot when i get it
grand mesa
just be aware of where the shortest go and you’re set. The other 3 can adjust on...
forcing an adjust when everyone is doing timers is a really good way to cause a wipe
just use your eyes
pallid gorge
you can adjust yourself
pallid gorge
as long as you aint the shortest, there’s so much time :3
grand mesa
use timers and not have to adjust at all
pallid gorge
obviously still better to know for sure in all 4 cases but that’s the cheat way
ye that’s true
sinful brook
1 or 2 sec? im not sure
3s for shortest buff to prime. 6s for it to actually go off
Totalling 9s for the shortest bugf
naive shale
that's much longer than i thought wtf
sinful brook
thats what i'm saying
people panicking because they have the 3s buff need to take a deepbreath
lilac cipher
yeah, just make sure your debuff hud size is like 200%
a good setting, cause debuff is very important regardless which floor it is
grand mesa
Anyone here familiar with how gear sync works for ults? I have a few questions
rain fulcrum
!faq ultimatesync
storm frostBOT
paper tapir
How much does it help in savage to have your materia right
lyric summit
empty materia slots (actual griefing) vs melded with random grade 10s following a basic stat priority, maybe 8-10%
so pretty big
optimizing every meld to meet nearest breakpoints of your current gear vs following a basic stat priority? probably 1% or less
paper tapir
So what about having a 580 vs 590 weapon
lyric summit
weapon damage is the most important stat so also pretty big
at least as far as upgrades go for gear of the same level
drowsy agate
So what about having a 580 vs 590 weapon
it's unlikely that one person increasing their weapon by 10 ilvls will make or break a clear
FYI
even in a 0.1% wipe, it's usually due to mistakes elsewhere that got y'all there in the first place
but squeezing out an advantage wherever you can (melds, gear etc) means that if you are ever in a 0.1% wipe situation
it could have been the clear if you'd gotten that 590 weapon
or those correct melds
or didn't forget to pot
take it from someone who's seen numerous 0.1% wipes
in the end, a clear's a clear
grand mesa
!faq ultimatesync
ty.
torn mesa
How much does it help in savage to have your materia right
this late into the tier
it is so trivially easy to get full 590 with standard melds/food
that you should do it even if it is 'overkill'
if you are making the effort to learn the raid, make the effort to be geared right, especially when the latter is almost as important as the former, and (again) so trivially easy to do
paper tapir
it's unlikely that one person increasing their weapon by 10 ilvls will make or b...
No this purely for me I want to be ready to step in and contribute to my team
torn mesa
I'm not sure about EU prices, but I can't image a full crafted set costing more than 200k
to get that set augmented takes a few roulettes and that's it
melds/food is going to be sub 50k
drowsy agate
No this purely for me I want to be ready to step in and contribute to my team
if this is the goal then you should absolutely grab every advantage you can
no reason not to go and get the i595 weapon from ex3
if you have a spare roborant, no reason not to get the i600 augmented weapon
torn mesa
I'd agree, though I think it's fine if you just go in with a 590 weapon
drowsy agate
500 tomes is nothing now
torn mesa
just don't be that guy who shows up with min ilevel at this point
or worse, that guy who refuses to meld/eat food
drowsy agate
this way if you ever see a 0.1% wipe, you can rest assured knowing that you, individually, did everything you could
paper tapir
just don't be that guy who shows up with min ilevel at this point
I went out and bought the 580 crafted set so
paper tapir
Where are blue tomes from
torn mesa
sorry I'm not sure what you're asking
drowsy agate
you get them from the same sources as the red ones
hunt trains, expert roulette etc.
but augmented crafted gear isn't the only source of 590 gear
mix and match radiant, Aglaia, and augmented classical
torn mesa
I only recommended augmented crafted because it's the quickest with 0 weekly restriction
drowsy agate
if you're wearing a full crafted set, there's a lot more you could be doing to get your gear up
drowsy agate
I only recommended augmented crafted because it's the quickest with 0 weekly res...
this takes a significant amount of tomes
drowsy agate
a full 2000 dump only gets you maybe 4 pieces of augmented gear
the weapon alone is 700
torn mesa
you'd need around 4k blue tomes yep
which is still a lot faster
than anything else
unless you want to delay gearing for weeks
obviously, if you have spare astronomy tomes, that's both quicker and better
elfin flint
So how do i go about doing asphomdelos savage first cirlcle the que times are kinda long
drowsy agate
no one queues for it
look for a party finder listing
do not go in blind unless that's specifically your goal
look up a guide
drowsy agate
that's fine at minimum but these days you really want higher than that
585/590 should be easy to get
see the conversation above
elfin flint
Alright i have the classical gear just ahvent put materia in it
I was going to wait and get the asphomdelos gear
drowsy agate
no, you should meld it immediately
see above
people wearing full unmelded classical is the stuff of nightmares in PF
don't be that guy
melds are cheap and easy to replace
buy and eat raid food too
grand mesa
590 is the minimum for a lot of parties atm due to how easy it is to get gear of that item level
elfin flint
Should i go for limbo gear or overmeld the crafted gear
verbal oak
Neither, the 590 is better
verbal oak
The crafted gear upgraded
elfin flint
How do i get the hannish certifactes
drowsy agate
you also need blue tomes to buy crucible rain with
don't trade it in unless you have enough rains
or else you just lose that piece of gear and can't afford to get the upgrade
grand mesa
Should i go for limbo gear or overmeld the crafted gear
melded 590
either upgraded crafted pieces or
tome
580 should be fine for p1 and p2, though
nova socket
getting to 590 on a new char is kinda aids though
grand mesa
yeah
nova socket
at least quickly
nova socket
just get whatever 590 pieces u can and fill rest w 580 and upgrade whenever you can it doesn't really matter
grand mesa
yes
drowsy agate
anyone happen to have a link to the ACT triggers for ucob nael quotes
grand mesa
its
an easy ex
4planet's probably the only really annoying mech
maybe the 6head/4rings mech if you aren't paying attention
undone tide
I haven't done it because there is literally zero incentive
grand mesa
i just want the cat
bleak yoke
I haven't done it because there is literally zero incentive
well there's the 595 weapons for alts
unless you've been lucky like 9 weeks in a row with rolls
in p4s
grand mesa
🤨
bleak yoke
what 🤨
so do you just not have alt jobs
or had god rng on p4s
for 9 weeks
to get 18 weapons
bleak yoke
what if you wanna play more
undone tide
i alt DRK/WAR but very very rarely
bleak yoke
it's fun ok
undone tide
I'm not interested in any other jobs except like bard
bleak yoke
then get the weapons for them
also some of the glam is nice
I can't remember for specifically the jobs you play but still
sinful brook
i don't like the ex3 weapons that much
round hazel
its a little too effort
When your static is stuck on p4s, mind as well start gear alts uwu
sinful brook
idk i just started skipping floors after a while
fervent bane
https://i.imgur.com/mpgDFW6.png pretty happy to get this tbh, just wish i wasn't so bad at maintaining thunder uptime ;;
now i just need to get a weapon
torn mesa
90 percent, get it right SMH
undone tide
then get the weapons for them
also some of the glam is nice
All the weps are garbo for glam
undone tide
who cares about glam just do the content for fun
implying extremes are fun?
bleak yoke
implying extremes are fun?
have you not done any non-x.0 extremes
sinful brook
I think ex are fun to learn but I don't actively grind them the second I can
Because I don't find that fun
bleak yoke
hell even some x.0 extremes are fun
undone tide
have you not done any non-x.0 extremes <:stare:825238296665128995>
Did all of shb extremes
Wolex was the only fun one
bleak yoke
implying extremes are fun?
well you're saying it like all extremes are unfun
bleak yoke
Wolex was the only fun one
which obviously isnt the case when you're saying there was one extreme you found fun
i honestly recommend sephirot or thordan ex if you want fun/challenging extremes tbh
all people can find fun in extremes, it's not just an objective thing 
i personally find a decent chunk of the extremes fun, like most of the shb exes and nearly all hw exes (obv not bismarck 💀)
steep summit
NIDHOGG EX
weary bone
What ilvl do you think will drop from the next normal mode raid series?
drowsy agate
we've had the same ilvl formula for years
it's going to be 610, 630 for savage, 635 weapon
then the next tier in 6.4 is going to be 640, 660 for savage, 665 weapon
then 7.0 will drop and the fresh level 100 gear will be 690, first floor savage will be 730
steady pebble
easy rule of thumb for ilvl increase is add 30 to the current gear
not always true in every case, sometimes its 20
but for like raid/tomestone, 30 is safe
potent jasper
better than 89% of blms
89% of blms who clear*
thorny charm
vernal breach
just PF it or smthn, find 2 rando healers ez
steep summit
Am I really leaving that much on the table cause of gear?
Or is 75% dot uptime that damaging?
sinful brook
its both uptime and dot uptime in general
bleak yoke
also possible rotational fuckups
sinful brook
those are usually the biggest parts of improvement
dropping your dot for 25% of the fight is significant
bleak yoke
Am I really leaving that much on the table cause of gear?
well, if we're talking about the reason
dying takes a massive hit to your overall damage, which rn since almost everyone has bis if they're parsing (and considering this is p1s, a massive chunk of people that have cleared the tier have parsed p1s)
you also missed a couple gluttonies and an arcane circle, another massive reason why you did poorly
steep summit
Err didnt die
sinful brook
he's
bleak yoke
you did
sinful brook
playing sage
steep summit
Also I don’t even have reaper at 90
steep summit
sinful brook
its literally the only name not blurred
bleak yoke
saw the highlight on the rpr and thought it was you 💀
sinful brook
and its name is similar to his discord name
steep summit
Uptime was 95%
bleak yoke
ok so
main this is your overheal
sinful brook
like there's 0 point in the fight where you can't be hitting the boss in some way
bleak yoke
also you had to res
steep summit
True, but at the same time sch had slightly worse uptime
sinful brook
you dropped your dot for a quarter of the fight too
bleak yoke
sch had slightly more uptime actually
sinful brook
basically for a bit over 2 minutes your dot wasn't ticking
steep summit
Yeah I know and that’s something to work on, but just wondering is it mainly that or gear.
sinful brook
even with bad gear if your fundamentals are decent you can reasonably green
bleak yoke
they also almost exlcusively used energy drain
steep summit
Eh... I’ll look into it next week
sinful brook
the sch had like 1% more uptime in general
and their dot basically never dropped
a lot more free damage going out
at 2 and a bit minutes lost its almost 3k potency in damage that was lost over that time in the fight
that would probably be the biggest thing i'd focus on first
grand mesa
^
woven tundra
It says you casted 20 e.prognosis
And 3 e.diag
Meanwhile the sch only used 1 succor
woven tundra
You also had a dmg down
undone tide
never e.diag/prog in uptime unless you absolutely have to
I've cleared p4s with 4 e.prog usages
it was not bad
1 during act 2 1 during act 4 and 2 during curtain call
co heal only casted like 6 gcd heals
woven tundra
Using zoe on pneuma is typically favoured in uptime (unless its a situation where you absolutely need the buffed shields)
steep summit
Yeah apparently I need to heal and barrier less.
On the other hand... I think when I was progging P2S full health party died from raidwide cause no mit
verbal oak
sewgee dalewge do hurt
steep summit
I’ll work on DoT uptime first while reclearing p2S, then the heals
then trying to not dmg down on 2nd intemp
vernal breach
I dont think ive ever deployed a gcd shield as sage
golden slate
bleak yoke
vernal breach
U couldnt pay me enough to press like.. the aoe shield button
Idont even know the name man
If SE wanted me to shield up, they shoulda made something more than just pan and haima
drowsy agate
that was honestly one of my initial complaints with sage
"shield healer" except the only relevant shields are pan, haima, and maybe prepull e.diag
all their major ogcd heals are just...heals
you can't even spend galls on a shield
closest thing is the mit from kerachole and taurochole
that being said, sage still feels great to play, they just don't have enough shields for my taste
vernal breach
I definitely dont feel like a shield healer..cuz i dont press e.diag lol
But w.e
They have an ass load of mit, which gives me tank vibes and i like it lol
Oh look, reprisal +heal
Or look.. another reprisal with regen
ANOOOTHER REPRISAL WITH BIG HEALS
Reprisal paradise
steep summit
Eukrasia’s the shield button. Also. Reprisal? Wha?
vernal breach
Yeah like holos
steep summit
Ah.
vernal breach
I think pneuma has a 10% mit, although i havent actually been able to find it on the tooltip
vernal breach
Its good inbetween raidwides in theory
vernal breach
In practice, your cohealer just insta heals everybody afetr a raidwide
So now u cant make use of holos’ healing
steep summit
XD
vernal breach
Fuck em
steep summit
That’s me cause I’m in PF XD
