endgame-lounge

[austere ocean]

You have better tools and the fight will be adjust to reflect that. It might be harder compare to jwave, who knows. But to say xyz single handedly handle a mechanic (heal check) is a stretch

[ruby knoll]

No, it won't.

[austere ocean]

You literally said that

[ruby knoll]

Full stop. They will not increase healing checks beyond what you saw in the likes of TEA

[austere ocean]

And how do you know this?

[ruby knoll]

Their entire design philosophy, 8 years of content has shown that they aren't changing it

Oh that reminds me, I'm gonna go see how SGE is doing in TEA

[austere ocean]

And what is this philosophy exactly? Did they ever said this philosophy out loud?

[ruby knoll]

HELL YEAH POP OFF

[austere ocean]

even if it is their philosophy like you claimed, changing it isn’t something unheard of either. All in all, the original point is healer will need piety for progging, even as an Astro.

[ruby knoll]

The idea that they're going to magically shift away from their content design suddenly is absurd

[austere ocean]

Once again, how do you know what this “content design” is

Did they ever said what it is? I don’t think so?

But you know what. We can just agree to disagree, you and I clearly aren’t on the same page. If you can clear dsr with min piety, then sure go ahead. But that won’t be me

I see no point in dragging this convo on any longer

[ruby knoll]

To cite the Balance mentor, who is far better versed in AST than either of us.

I'm not saying that everyone should run zero piety, but they haven't even come out with DSW higher piety sets for AST, that's how confident Ahri is. Personally, I would just for the sake of people running in lower level groups who are gonna suffer more

[austere ocean]

Yea and the tome ring has piety also

[ruby knoll]

Tome ring is mostly for the VIT, the piety is a bonus

Honestly, I wish we had other alternatives for a ring

I actually loved the proto-ultima accessories in Dun Scaith, but it came super late into the tier, replacing a boss that already existed in that 24 man

Even if its just reused accessory models with different stats, I'd actually really like an alternative. I guess they don't want us to be able to min/max to that level.

[stable basin]

what time does 6.1 expected to open? i want to try and get an apartment is it tuesday or wednesday?

[verbal oak]

6am est

check #lodestone-news-na for more info

[stable basin]

i did, it's a 24hr update, because of pst time, was not sure if it was 6AM tuesday or 6am wednesday est

[verbal oak]

it starts on monday

so it'll open on tuesday

[stable basin]

thank you

[quick verge]

people have been saying they’re gonna increase the healing requirement of content in general for years when healers started getting insane tools

but like,

hasn’t really happened yet

it’s a case of “we’ll see” but I’m not really confident it’ll be absurdly outside the norm

[naive shale]

and they dont want to make healing harder in rotation which is like

ehhh

just gonna cope with it i guess

[finite plank]

i'll still remember raidwides being the block

https://gfycat.com/definiterectangulargrizzlybear

to be not an issue because gear later on

[lilac cipher]

what's lacking there? reprisal and divine veil/dark missionary?

[torn kindle]

No addle?

[steady pebble]

reprisal was up, but it falls off shortly before the cast finishes

or rather just as it finishes

[quick verge]

missing addle soil veil missionary out of potential cds

2 caster so addle should be up for everything

[deft shale]

Does anyone know if theres new gather/crafter gear coming tomorrow?

[verbal oak]

yes, left side only

[naive shale]

let's see

no tank mit

not addle

only shield

no healer mit

[ruby knoll]

I remember the copium going into stormblood. Removal of cleric and a ton of new healing tools. People were sure healing would be made harder....and it wasn't

[quick verge]

🙃

[naive shale]

why did they remove it again?

i heard like healing in the past quite tougher

or something

[lilac cipher]

have no idea, people were quitting raid cause alexander were too hard

[naive shale]

also how was healing in the past as in dps rotation?

[naive shale]

oh.... hmmm

maybe they wanna cater to the pf player ?

since like

if they bring back some skill ceiling from hw stuff, people might couldnt handle the pressure?

[lilac cipher]

have no idea

even today, people heal with bunch of addon, can't even play legit

add more reason to nerf it even more

[naive shale]

huh

wait wat addon

o_o

[ruby knoll]

SCH used to have 5 or 6 DoTs ticking at any given time

your damage on healer scaled on intelligence, not mind, and you had a skill that would swap your mind into INT so that you could do damage

but your healing was gimped

[naive shale]

i see

so other than sch for dps rotation whm and ast isnt that much of a difference?>

other than ast trying to fish balance right?

[ruby knoll]

Both WHM and AST had more DOTs

WHM had an AOE DoT

[naive shale]

so tl;dr

old healer has more dot?

[austere ocean]

More dots more buttons

Idk how old whm works before lilies tbh. But I bet it fucking suck

[ruby knoll]

old WHM was nigh unplayable by the end of the expansion, especially compared to AST

[austere ocean]

Even in SB before the Lily gauge rework ppl still use cure 1

[ruby knoll]

Heavensward AST had the capability of spreading a 10% damage buff to the entire party once per minute

or 20% single target

Stormblood it was nerfed before savage, idk who the fuck forgot to nerf it in the 4.0 patch notes

Stormblood's last tier had mechanics like Pantokrator, which were ass on WHM because the job couldn't move. You had to spam Aero for the base potency and run around the boss like an idiot, whereas AST got to use lightspeed and lost nothing

[naive shale]

i see

[undone tide]

Who's ready for the job apocalypse

poggies

[naive shale]

LD still bad soon

copium

[compact lark]

hello, im a range player and want to try melee as rpr, as a person i really hate positionals, can i ignore this and do good enough dmg in raids? as a rpr?

its just positionals is unknown to me as blm main haha

[stable basin]

It's actually not very much of a loss if you just camp the butt/side

[austere ocean]

No

^

And you have true north

Press that

[compact lark]

yes i just goo ass play

[stable basin]

But you should still make an effort to hit them once you're comfier on the job >.>

[compact lark]

will i reach like 8k without positionals?honest question

[austere ocean]

Reaper also has the least positional also

It’s like 2 positional every 1m iirc

[compact lark]

positionals seems out of my realm coming from blm main

[stable basin]

idk the actual loss but it's like low single-digit or even sub-1%

[torn kindle]

well in terms of your GCD combo it's a positional every 5 GCDs or so

[compact lark]

so its doable?and dish out good dmg still?pretty cool

[lyric summit]

every job/role has its oddities, just because you're new to it doesnt mean you shouldn't try

[austere ocean]

Yea

[torn kindle]

and then you add in your cooldowns which add in 3 more positionals per minute

[lilac cipher]

You lost 40+ potency everytime you don't do positional lol

[verbal oak]

"i dont understand fire 4 coming from melee so i'll just avoid it"

[lyric summit]

like "can i play blm without thunder? i'm not used to managing a dot on my main"

[lilac cipher]

Just do it, it's bread and butter of melee

[austere ocean]

Just do it for real

You will fuck up what what’s the worst that could happen

If you dislike positional, why did you even think of trying melee

[stable basin]

Yeah just keep your gcd rolling

and hit them if you can

if you can't then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

keep hitting button

it's never worth clipping to hit a positional

[compact lark]

i see , my monkeh brain cant seem to focus on mechanics rotations with positionals in them i guess

[vernal breach]

if u can play blm, you can press wasd

[austere ocean]

Melee is less brain than blm, just saying

esp in savage

[compact lark]

how is it the same as positionals tho? haha

[austere ocean]

every strat cater to melee uptime. Blm always have to have their team adjust for them

you gonna be fine

[compact lark]

i cleared the tier as blm thank god, but my guys said melee dps ae big dck dmg

[vernal breach]

only if you play well

[austere ocean]

Blm is big dick damage

[vernal breach]

only if you play well

[austere ocean]

It’s always blm and sam

[verbal oak]

isnt blm like higher than most melee lol

[austere ocean]

always have been

[vernal breach]

only if-

[austere ocean]

at the top tier or at the same level of play that is

[compact lark]

felt like melee is easier to big dick dmg than blm atm sadly

[vernal breach]

true

[austere ocean]

So the same reaper with the same skill level as you would do less damage than you. Unless crit luck, but even then it shouldn’t be that close

[verbal oak]

reaper

[austere ocean]

But if you wanna do big damage the meta is sam

Not reaper

reaper is literally mid tier

Like smack dab middle

[compact lark]

arghhh i dont wanna cast again hahaha

[verbal oak]

then play smn

[compact lark]

rpr aesthetics fits with my blm soul

[austere ocean]

it’s like 1 cast every what 30s?

for sam that is

[verbal oak]

around yeah, 1 extra every 60s if you're sps

oh

its around 2-3 iirc

iaijustu is more common

plus like 3 casts at least in the 2 min mark

[compact lark]

so back toquestion, will i reach basic 8k without positionals?as rpr?

or nah?

[verbal oak]

prolly not

[compact lark]

i see thats too bad

[austere ocean]

Why do you aim for that specific number

I don’t think any melee can disregard positional and still do damage above 8k?

[compact lark]

why not.

i see i see

[austere ocean]

that seems to be a weird number to aim for

[compact lark]

better practice my positionals i guesss

why green?

oh i just like to replicate my dmg to my raid friends i guess i cant

[verbal oak]

i mean at 8k dps you'd be doing the same dps as a high end MCH

which aint exactly the best goal if ur on a melee lol

[austere ocean]

cuz iirc most melee can hit above 8k to like 9k and sam can do 10-11k with pad

[compact lark]

well im not a high end player sadly

[stable basin]

You won't lose that much damage ignoring positionals

[austere ocean]

with gear it should be like 9k or sth for reaper?

8.5?

[compact lark]

jesus that big dick dmg

[austere ocean]

but blm does 11k tho

….

[verbal oak]

in adps?

i thought mnk was around like 9k in rdps

[compact lark]

thats dmg prolly in my dreams

[austere ocean]

i have seen a blm without pad does 10k at least in my parse run

[compact lark]

whats a pad?

[austere ocean]

Dance partner

[verbal oak]

jesus

[austere ocean]

With partner it’s like 11k

so literally sam level of damage

[verbal oak]

yoshi p pls nerf

[austere ocean]

because ya know, sam blm

[compact lark]

ohh i never onced got dp as blm haha

in my raid friends

usually sam

[stable basin]

Not doing positionals is realistically like a handful of percentiles

[austere ocean]

only if you are a specific type of blm

[verbal oak]

back in SHB blm was like 3rd/4th for blm

i wonder if its the same nowadays

[austere ocean]

Crit blm is better for dance partner? Or is it sps blm

Nah I think crit blm (or sps) was higher than drg and rdm even

[compact lark]

hmmm crit blm is so difficult to play prolly the biggest of brain play that choose that playstyle

[austere ocean]

but it’s specific to builds

One build is heavily favored compare to the other

[compact lark]

1 sec delay no despair for u

[austere ocean]

i just don’t remember which

[verbal oak]

yeah it was crit blm, sps blm builds werent fully out early on and dnc hadnt updated it

[stable basin]

I'd think crit blm would be better for partner

cuz speed blm would have low crit numbers

[stable basin]

and have diminishing returns on DH

[austere ocean]

Rn that’s just the general info we have for dnc partner

[stable basin]

Diminishing returns in the classical sense aka diminishing marginal utility

[pale sun]

anyone seen the 6.1 full patch notes yes?

[vernal breach]

yeah, its over there on the lodestone

[undone tide]

Paladin got buffs we didn't need instead of buffs we needed

Poggies

[vernal breach]

🤷‍♀️

[pale sun]

https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/battle/

for those who want to see the job changes

[lilac grove]

More healing for the healing tank I guess

[round hazel]

More damage for the mch

Wooooooo

[pliant fractal]

I'm not experienced with mch so imma ask here. Saw some people complain that the potency increases were small so I wanted to see what other people were feeling about it

[quick verge]

they're small

[drowsy agate]

they got a blanket increase to numerous GCDs

but still small

MCH balance probably crunched numbers already

[quick verge]

yea it's like 2.3% increase or smth close

[pliant fractal]

Ah, alright. Thanks for the input

[drowsy agate]

pulled directly from balance

[vernal breach]

ayy welcome to the 2% buff club

🤝

[pliant fractal]

Yeah, paladins changes seemed somewhat unnecessary to me, though can't say I play paladin often

[vernal breach]

more healing

[pliant fractal]

Oh, I meant the requiescat change

That I understood

Also kind of forgot

[stable basin]

mch needs another round of +10 potency methinks

[austere ocean]

SE loves giving buff to things no one ever through they needed and no one asked for them either

like ast lord/lady change and got rid of sleeve draw

[frank quiver]

Scrap MCH and make it a new job.

[mighty agate]

no

Just up its numbers, the job is perfectly fine from a gameplay perspective

[tepid yarrow]

In fairness, Sleeve Draw is no longer mandatory since Divination has been unbound from seals and now only applies to Astrodyne.

Whose effects are relatively small.

[lyric summit]

already happened, twice

[finite plank]

https://gfycat.com/crispchiefiguana

would be nice to at least have 2 effects instead of being stuck with 1

[pseudo lake]

Only things that still feel bad on mch imo are wildfire in aoe and mid to high ping hypercharge, fix those two things and then it's just a matter of tweaking numbers--the gameplay is great

[torn kindle]

MCH has always had the ‘trait’ of “have good ping or else” in every expansion

It’s basically a part of their identity by this point

[tropic lily]

Devs be like mch needs something that makes the gcd fast so it can feel terrible

[stable basin]

me a newbie looks at this:

https://tenor.com/view/sparkle-happy-mouth-open-look-up-excited-gif-12348304

[silver portal]

is this just because it's sped up, but damn the framerate looks so good on this wtf

[finite plank]

https://gfycat.com/pointedflakyafricangroundhornbill

[naive shale]

seeing ex 1

reminds me of that incident again ina

wait

IT IS THAT INCIDENT

LMAO

SE increase buff limit plz thx

[wet heath]

Tell us about The Incident

[lilac cipher]

that multiple stack marker hurts more than I expected 😹

[finite plank]

look at what's being pressed

[naive shale]

see the video that ina sent

that's the incident

tl;dr
ina got too much buff that buff overload happened

that when he press inner released the, it pass the buff limit hence the inner release stack and primal rend ready buff just gone

[lilac cipher]

Is that with fc buff or not?

[naive shale]

nah fc buff falls into different category

i think partly my fault also

since i throw heart of corundum at him

and he also use bloodwhetting

[lilac cipher]

Nani the buff limit doesn't include debuff and fc buff?

[naive shale]

nope

[lilac cipher]

I never knew

[naive shale]

they fall into different category afaik

[wheat thunder]

Yo is game playable yet

If not I sleep 1 more hour

[torn kindle]

Yes

[cloud blade]

i watched a video on the unreal

it looks very very doable

[vernal breach]

when are they not doable?

[mighty agate]

Idk man I tried the leviathan one once and we got our shit pushed in

[vernal breach]

:l

[wheat marsh]

i barely cleared shiva unreal havent come close to the others XD

[vernal breach]

man, people suck

[mighty agate]

Look

Listen

I got two braincells and one's thinking about Emet Selch, okay ?

[vernal breach]

understandable

[elder pond]

How long did msq for 6.1 take to complete? While watching cs to enjoy it.

[vernal breach]

idk, people say 2-3 hours?
i think it took me long just cuz i did other stuff

[azure sleet]

I need help finding some songs

from a video that's to do with ff14

[vernal breach]

thats oddly unspecific

[azure sleet]

ugh i know

idk where else to ask lol

are spoiler videos allowed to be posted here?

[azure sleet]

nobody?

aight then

[sinful brook]

you can post spoilers but

this isn't the place to ask for what you need

try #questions-and-help or #963326049230389268

[azure sleet]

ahh okay sorry

[mighty agate]

Can you overmeld battle gear ?

[verbal oak]

only crafted ilvl 580 gear

[lyric summit]

only the crafted sets

[mighty agate]

Does that make the crafted sets better than tome gear ?

[verbal oak]

you cant overmeld the upgraded 590 set

[verbal oak]

tome is 590, so its better

!faq statmeme

[storm frost]

What are the real stat weights?

[torn kindle]

More primary stats (STR/VIT/DEX/MND/INT) is almost always better than more secondary stats

Barring minor and rare exceptions that are on a case-by-case basis

[verbal oak]

low piety healer bis enters the chat

[mighty agate]

Jeez the endsinger is tough

The head mechanics makes my brain melt

[snow oak]

Yes

[mighty agate]

Is there a way to solve the mechanic more easily or is it just "look at the heads, dumbass" ?

[lyric summit]

if theres a limited amount of patterns someone will probably figure it out in a couple days

but for now its basically look and dodge

[vernal breach]

Welll first and foremost is you wanna stand on the side the middle head isnt cleaving

Should be easy enough

Now you got 2 potential safespots, from this point… you could gamble lmao
Anyways if it helps, i just look at whether the hesds have an even or odd number of rings (thus removing counting and most of the memorization)

If the head was the safe spot the first and third time, then it also better have an odd number of rings on it (and also be on the uncleaved side)

And thats all i really look for, if it dont.. then logically one can conclude the other head must be safe as theres only 2 options

Math could be wrong, but i think theres only… 6 patterns effectively?
I could probably make a strat4dummies right now huh… nvm its not at all, helpful knowing theres 6 patterns lol

[vernal breach]

I made this visual but its uuh.. mostly for my own benefit lol, watever man
I’ll just put s dorito on myself and have others follow lmao

[mighty agate]

Yeah I figured it out while folding laundru

Since 1 and 3 rings are the same, it simplifies the read

[vernal breach]

Wow, thats a good summary of wat i was going for

[mighty agate]

Gotta identify the direction of the middle head, then there's a few options :

• Middle head doesn't point toward you : if your head is odd, stay, if it's 2, take the other one.
• If it does : move to the diagonal head if it's odd, else move to the orthogonal one

I think that's correct

Feels correct at least

[vernal breach]

Man thats alot of 3s

Yeah i think thats correct

I go by odds and evens is all

[mighty agate]

edited for clarity :p

[elder pond]

Anyone know exactly where the new minions from ventures are? I saw this but it XXVII is 85 ventures.... xD

So is it level 85 XXVII or 90 XVIII?

[knotty lava]

whats the emergency maint for?

[supple sail]

Bugfixes

[mighty agate]

EEEEYYYYY CLEARED EX3 WOOO

MY FIRST FULL BLIND EX

[mighty agate]

Cleared it again. Honestly the enrage timer is quite long, even with this group absolutely shitass logs. I wonder what's happening it the "seen enrage" groups

[quick verge]

a tad too many deaths

[mighty agate]

yup, that'll do it

[glossy musk]

It’s pretty fun even if it’s hella short

[vernal breach]

phase2where?

:C

[mighty agate]

Honestly considering how much Yoshi P hyped it up I was expecting something much more difficult

Are other EX easier than this ? I think the only other EX I've cleared are Zodiark and Miseria

[lyric summit]

this one's just more punishing cause the planets oneshot you

[mighty agate]

I was expecting the singing heads to oneshot you too

Maybe it oneshots non-tanks

[mighty agate]

btw, is it me or does endsinger's autoattacks just randomly do a lot more damage sometimes ?

[turbid canopy]

there are moments where she chains auto attacks really quick

but they are all the same damage

[mighty agate]

makes sense

[mighty agate]

why do people ask for 590 ilvl for EX3 in PF ? You absolutely don't need it to clear

[sinful brook]

because its easily attainable

[quick verge]

most ppl should have it on their main job

[sinful brook]

even if you don't augmenting crafted gets you that

[mighty agate]

ease of access isn't really relevant to whether or not it's clearable with less

[quick verge]

it's a free dmg increase

and hp increase

[sinful brook]

yeah but because its easy to get theres like no reason not to have more stats

[mighty agate]

There's a reason : I got lazy with expert roulettes

[sinful brook]

again experts aren't your only source of gear

[mighty agate]

Yeah but how much more dmg ? How much shorter is a kill going to be ?

[sinful brook]

also theres a free aglaia piece

590 crafted

etc

[quick verge]

idk more than 1%

[mighty agate]

And the HP increase like... You ain't gonna survive a planet at 590 anyway.

[quick verge]

and the issue with ex3 is clearing through ppl inting mechanics anyway

[mighty agate]

yeah some don't really do much damage, like the singing heads one

kinda disappointing, that

planet head doesn't do too much either

[narrow oxide]

Is there 590 crafted now?

[steady pebble]

580 crafted can be augmented into 590

[mighty agate]

I feel like some Bojza CE are harder than EX3

[severe basin]

any one got Endsinger's aria macro ?

[finite plank]

only hard part of ex3 would be fatalism aoe for how quick it occurs till i learned i should be looking at the rings

[mighty agate]

yeah the double fatalism is rough

5head can be tricky as well

the problem with double fatalism really is that you can't recover from it because it's the start of an onslaught of mechanics

[finite plank]

i can recover from kb fatalism if it's the end because there's no aoe insta death catching me

[mighty agate]

well you still gotta do the tower/elenchon thing

And then it's the uber raidwide

doesn't really give much time to rez people

[frank quiver]

Heyo, came across this while looking at people's profiles (for recruitment).

This character has been banned for exploiting rankings and is no longer eligible to rank on any fights.

How does that even occur? What exploits? Hacking FFLogs itself? o.o

[nova socket]

they probably either used ingame hacks

which is the more likely answer, or a small chance they edited logs but I doubt

[frank quiver]

Ah, gotcha.

[mighty agate]

Got my endsinger weapon, now it Ultima time 💪

[drowsy agate]

errr

if you're talking about Ultima unreal

I'm pretty sure the item level sync for it is way lower than 595

[mighty agate]

Don't really care about that, I just want to do the content

[fallen rain]

It's 565 iirc

[sinful brook]

unreals are always base lvl cap ilvl synced

so you can be about +5~ ilvl and still use melds

if you really wanted to min max that hard

[full wave]

Oh god I just need one more win to get to gold

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedruner-gif-20263880

[mossy blaze]

You got this GOOO

[sinful brook]

it'll be 2 wins after this game :^)

[mighty agate]

And that's Unreal done !

Jeez that fight hates tanks

way easier than Levi unreal was lmao

[full wave]

ARR fights hate tanks

No cast time on tank busters

Because the devs were not very good at fight design

[mighty agate]

That's the kind of fight I'm glad to be a WAR on

Because the healers sure as hell don't seem worried about keeping me topped off

[vernal breach]

they dont even have a fucking name or animation on levi unreal brah

well i mean there was a name i guess but it was like pop up text

[undone tide]

no cast time on tankbusters is good imo

It forces you to actually memorize timelines

[vernal breach]

TIMELINES?!
timelines were not like the timelines of today where you could confidently say a mechanic follows another mechanic
that dread tide shit just occurred like every 30 ish seconds, and at some point it happens like twice in quick succession and your healers goes wtfbbq? and you fucking die

want me to have a goddamn pocket watch while i play this gaem or something? >:V

[mossy blaze]

Yeah time stuff is stupid imo , i would rather have mechanics that require reactions

[undone tide]

living liquid

[vernal breach]

yeah we fucking hate living liquid

[undone tide]

twin

Nael

[vernal breach]

actually

[undone tide]

bahamut

[vernal breach]

all those hardly count cuz they atleast had animations on their TBs

[undone tide]

Literally most ultimates have random tbs

[vernal breach]

leviathan just looks at you nebulously

[undone tide]

most ultimate phases

[vernal breach]

doesnt even do a different animation before it takes out half ur hp

it was irredeemable

like i remember living liquid now, it had wind up animation before it fisted you
sepirot had one such wind up animation as well

those are fine

[undone tide]

also the animations they have are not enough to react and mitigate in ultimate

If you don't mitigate before the anim you will get hit with no mit

[vernal breach]

gonna say its all dumb 🤷‍♀️

[undone tide]

I'm tired of savage TBs just being

big ass red shit on u

mitigate it or just ignore with invuln smile

maybe swap

[stable basin]

those fights work just like ucob

there's a script, and when you pass the next hp threshold the script skips ahead to the next page

[vernal breach]

yes, all them ye ol fights were kind of like that ;l

[undone tide]

basically everything is

just fucken

scripted

in this game

[vernal breach]

mhm i hear ya

[undone tide]

with rng being literally just a choose your own path book

turning to a different page

[vernal breach]

the existence of the script is no reason to go back to the ye ol days of TBs with no visual indicator of it happening

[undone tide]

I just don't want cast bar TBs anymore

shit is boring af

[mighty agate]

Nascent flash is gud

Can heal cotank, be tank and healer both, it's nice

[undone tide]

we've known this for nearly 3 years

[finite plank]

too bad, it plans to be the norm and I consider it a QoL thing

[mighty agate]

Yeah I've started playing the game at the end of ShB and that's litteraly the first unreal I cleared sorry for being new oo

[undone tide]

idk, I thought it was alright when you didn't get marked for every single TB as you at least get slapped the first time

but u have the marker now and just

mitigate

no reaction required

Some tankbuster casts tend to be very long

[finite plank]

imagine if e12s p1 tb wasn't a castbar

[undone tide]

yes omg

[finite plank]

it'd be a pain to figure out

where it's going

if someone dies

[undone tide]

you're just

[finite plank]

dead

[undone tide]

chilling and then

POW

POW

[finite plank]

i do not want that

[full wave]

Memorizing the exact timing of the uuuuh 8 tankbusters is not engaging. It just means you look at a timeline while playing

[undone tide]

well sure you can do that if you want

[full wave]

There needs to be some kind of telegraph

[finite plank]

such as e12s p2

that's fine, although, hard to figure out, people eventually get what it means

[undone tide]

Some tankbusters deserve telegraphs sure

but ur average single target run of the mill tb

[finite plank]

i wouldn't mind if it was telegraphed for qol reasons

[full wave]

The telegraph doesn't need to be a cast time. Just something.

[undone tide]

I just think tankbusters are boring now

[stable basin]

Pull 1: Oh, the tank and one other person died. Since the tank died, it's clearly a tankbuster. Since the Samurai also died, it probably targets the top 2 aggro.

[finite plank]

the decision to give tb markers would be w/e, because im not the tank/healer

[full wave]

I still don't know when Leviathan does his tank buster. It just kinda happens. It's probably on a timer which mean you count gcds to know when it's up

[undone tide]

e12s p1 TB is

pog

most creative TB of eden

e9s TB is also cool

[vernal breach]

its on a timer ._ .
i basically just press it when i feel as though its up
its about every 20-30 seconds
and like... rampart has a 20s duration so

you can kinda wing it tbh

and you'll probably mitigate it

[full wave]

In Titan HM Titan always uses Rockbuster before Mountain Buster.

And then they just abandon that in Extreme

[finite plank]

it's the small annoyances that get added during reclears of things usually do not happen becoming a bit more frequent.

[vernal breach]

i kinda sorta the mits that have short additional effects

i think that we dont have more of these.. kinda suggests that.. no they dont want ff14 to be some twitch reflex game

you really can just wing untelegraphed TBs with a large heaps of leeway cuz like.. foqing hell, rampart is 20 seconds

[mighty agate]

So unreals are just old fights but at max level right ?

[finite plank]

honestly

if i had to deal with untelegraphed tank busters

it might make me consider figuring out to get cactbot running

or I go "fuck it, i'll just click rampart and vaguely guess it'll be there and potentially piss off my healers"

[stable basin]

thing is, using mitigation during the castbar is usually not optimal for busters anyway

[vernal breach]

i just remember that within the first 10 seconds of lebi-unreal, more or less, he does the mysterious fuck-you

yeah thats more or less the plan

[stable basin]

if bahamut had a 3 second castbar on flare breath I'd be about 8 seconds late pressing shadow wall if I reacted to it

and then I'd have no mit for post-heavensfall

[undone tide]

Just create a map of the fight of your head

"after this mechanic there's a tb"

[vernal breach]

i know in current savage
you gotta press reprisal like.. before the half way mark of decollation or else reprisal aint gonna be up for the next decollation
i found that to be oddly quirky

so what happens is that i just reprisal after my 3rd gcd every single time

🤷‍♀️

so be it i guess

[undone tide]

no u press rep at the end of decollation to catch dec and first bloodrake

[vernal breach]

and wat

[undone tide]

and co tank covers next deco

[vernal breach]

expect my tank

to reprise?

[undone tide]

yes?

[vernal breach]

aye the optimistic sort
i say fuck the bloodrake
its only 4 people getting hit, they'll live probably

em co-tanks aint good for nuffin

[undone tide]

Just tell em

lel

in my pf experience they listen

[vernal breach]

i can tell, everytime my reprisal isnt up for decollation #2
i look at the bosses debuff bar like

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-confused-john-travolta-gif-16946746

bro, wheres ur reprisal

and thats why i do both of em

[mighty agate]

speaking of reprisal

I never know whether I should reprisal or shake it off

if I have both available

[vernal breach]

same bro, same
except ive divine veil
i just veil the raidwide that i dont have reprisal for

i think its a good idea but who knows

[mighty agate]

!action divine veil

[storm frost]

**Divine Veil** : lvl 56 PLD (90.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Upon HP recovery via healing magic cast by self or a party member, a protective barrier is cast on all party members within a radius of 15 yalms.
Duration: 30s
Barrier Effect: Prevents damage up to 10% of your maximum HP
Duration: 30s Additional Effect: Restore target's HP
Cure Potency: 400
Effect ends upon casting barrier on self and nearby party members.

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[vernal breach]

just think of it like shake it off but it doesnt give me shit

[mighty agate]

It's not even a mitigation lmao

[vernal breach]

oh and shake it off is eh?

[mighty agate]

!action shake it off

[storm frost]

**Shake It Off** : lvl 68 WAR (90.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Creates a barrier around self and all nearby party members that absorbs damage totaling 15% of maximum HP.
Dispels Thrill of Battle, Vengeance, and Bloodwhetting , increasing damage absorbed by 2% for each effect removed.
Duration: 15s
Additional Effect: Restores own HP and the HP of all nearby party members
Cure Potency: 300

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[vernal breach]

its so much better than veil

[mighty agate]

the chad barrier before damage + HoT after damage vs the virgin barrier after damage

[vernal breach]

only thing veil has going for it is that you can press it a minute before the raidwide goes off

if thats worth anything to ya

fucking poor man's earthly star

[stable basin]

reprisal everything, shake/veil/missionary stuff that hits particularly hard

[mighty agate]

Everything hits hard if the whole raid has vuln stacks

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[vernal breach]

yeah the bosses seem to have 2 raid wides
1 that hits kinda hard
and another one that might kill everybody

like.. something something sear vs ultimate something omething in p4sp2

[mighty agate]

I still don't know which one is more dangerous between elegia unforgotten and telos

[vernal breach]

join a fresh prog that doesnt mitigate shit and watch which one hurts more

[mighty agate]

Not that it matters

they don't really deal noticeable damage

[vernal breach]

BY THE WAY...

[finite plank]

it's similar to an issue i have in p4s

[vernal breach]

has anyone tried mitigating the stupid red planets?

any luck surviving that?

[finite plank]

i've been told that pinax lightning should go out when the lightning stops

except i barely noticed it or go "oh shit, am i too late to move out?"

[mighty agate]

nope, haven't tried

But I feel like you'd have to blow all your mitis to survive one

and if you have the time to press all these buttons you've got the time to run out of the way lmao

[vernal breach]

why not just stand at the edge where its always safe and if you wanted uptime, harangue the tank for not moving the boss

[finite plank]

uptime

also, i did figure out when to move in

but only if we invuln first tb

otherwise my timing's off

sure i can probably adjust

[vernal breach]

im mildly struggling to envision the scenario you're painting here

[finite plank]

except i didn't experienced it enough yet

[vernal breach]

actually nvm, i see it now

[finite plank]

I look at ACT that has a clock

[vernal breach]

a grim picture

[finite plank]

the fight duration thing

[vernal breach]

having to watch a clock, smh
hate that shit . w.

[finite plank]

if it's 2 minutes, that means I can move back in, at the same time, it tells me I have to get out before it hits 2 or I get snapshotted and die from lightning

and if there's a tank swap at the start, it gets delayed

and it ends up probably 2:05 that I can move in, im not sure

[vernal breach]

TIL tank swap actually affects something

[finite plank]

I probably tried that and died badly

idm if it's lightning 2nd for first pinax because I then look at the castbar as usual for [direction]ward

but if it's first

I look for 2:00 and 6:13

i dont know why did I figure that out but not when the lightning visually does it

only 2:00 gets fucked a bit and i feel uncomfortable to greed so I just go away at 2:00 and vaguely guess when I can go in

[undone tide]

yo

speaking of pinax

do not use water pinax

or u are trolling

[finite plank]

?

how do i use water pinax

[undone tide]

water pinax is drag boss to water + fire

it's a garbage strat

[finite plank]

jp just leaves the boss in the middle

[undone tide]

well jp respects mechanics a

na does not

[finite plank]

healer can probably sit where they were kb because it catches melees and caster

if they move a lil...

actually, most healers move in, nvm

[undone tide]

The unenlightened masses of pf still using water uptime pinax

Unaware of a strat that does not require kb immunity...

[stable basin]

people dragging to water drives me crazy

like the only way people would know to do that would be by hearing about dragging it to lightning

and then deliberately doing it wrong

[undone tide]

someone was so hell bent on arguing to me that water was better

even though it literally isn't because you'll likely lose uptime at cape

and he's like "just gap close!!!!!"

he was a reaper main

kinda weird he tried to argue that when his "gap close" is ass for situations like that

[finite plank]

i need some visual

where was the boss dragged to?

[undone tide]

Pretend lightning is water

basically the amount of space you have for water + spread is halved

[finite plank]

so... the boss is only at 1 tile free?

[undone tide]

Yes

[finite plank]

...at least nin's can shukuchi into the water tile immediately

[minor nebula]

Savage is the only way to get Radiant Roborant right?

[steady pebble]

for now, yes

[minor nebula]

Thank you!

[naive shale]

so uhh

can anyone give suggestion as where to use mit for unreal ultima? im not sure how to cycle it through as i need some mit for orb and some also for the auto due to the debuff thing on tank right?

[sinful brook]

I just sank them for booms

And reprisal on purge

And then sort cd as necessary

[naive shale]

boom just need one of the orb that got tethered to be exploded rather than both orb that got tethered right?

[sinful brook]

Yes

[naive shale]

i see

ok thanks for the answer channy o/

[sinful brook]

Tank lb3 for last orbs is popular in pf too

[naive shale]

yeah i did that for last orb

since it seems a bit too much for some healer to heal that

[barren ledge]

anyone got an invite link to the pvp disc?

[nova socket]

How do you even get lb3 for booms

I've not seen lb3 for booms in 6 clears

[sinful brook]

its pf

they take enough damage

[vernal breach]

gon be honest, i dont know if i will ever be able to do the 4 planets mech where its blue first

:l

like it just knocks you into an exploding red sometimes like wtf they want me to do about that

[drowsy agate]

err, now I haven't done the fight yet but almost anything that knocks you back can be dealt with using arm's length or surecast

[sinful brook]

not in this fight

cannot do it

[drowsy agate]

kek

[vernal breach]

its a miserable order of events

the blue planets obscure your views as well

and you've almost no time to adjust
;l

[torn kindle]

Guess you just gotta mitigate

[undone tide]

Tank lb 3

Legit

[quick verge]

just get reds first

every time

[vernal breach]

i havent tried mitigating the red planet, i dont mind trying tho

but seriously, anyone got good idea for blue first? ;l

its one of those "do the devs even play their own game" degrees or wtfbbq

[glad dove]

This is probably the first extreme I'm skipping

[undone tide]

when you have bis at some point you realize

it literally does not matter

who gives a shit about the lynx

not me

[glad dove]

I'm not bis and I want the lynx, but I can wait for undersized

[vernal breach]

the beauty of endsinger undersized is that..
1.
knock back will probably still kill you regardless of your stats
2. something tells me the red planets will kill you anyway

[glad dove]

Most likely, though I suppose I could also just wait a few years for it to appear in moogle tome event

[vernal breach]

thats the longest game ive ever heard

[glad dove]

I probably could wait that long, I'm still missing a few dragons and have zero desire to farm them so they are in the same moogle boat. I have zero confidence that I can clear endsinger so waiting is the best option

[drowsy agate]

err

why would you have zero confidence in clearing an EX lol

they are not meant to be very difficult

just more difficult than the casual stuff most people run

I get it when people say "I'm not playing FFXIV actively" or "I don't have time to prog" but "I don't think I can clear" is a new one

[undone tide]

I said I couldn't clear e12s

i did

it took 6 grueling weeks in pf

but it was worth

[torn mesa]

nothing in this game is that hard

it's only if you want to put in the time to clear it

[undone tide]

You can put infinite time into anything

You will eventually finish it

[torn mesa]

you can put in a few hours a week every week

and you'll clear even ultimates in 3 months~

[drowsy agate]

except this is fuckin ex3

not savage

even the worst players can clear it in a night

[torn mesa]

this EX is probably harder than P1S/P2S, but yes

[undone tide]

DSR gonna be fun on launch

[drowsy agate]

again, I haven't actually done the fight yet since I'm on vacation, but historically even when EXs are "harder" than current tier savage

they are still an EX and the DPS checks and mechanic checks are far more forgiving

[undone tide]

There's absolutely no way ex3 is harder than p2s

[torn mesa]

yep, I'd say mechanics wise this 1 probably takes more effort to be honest with you

[undone tide]

p2s has challenging mechanics

[torn mesa]

DPS check, as is the case with all extremes, is a joke

[undone tide]

p1s and ex3 really do not

[torn mesa]

uh... going to have to disagree there

[drowsy agate]

sure, but I bet you can shove far more deaths in ex3 and still clear than you can in p1s or p2s

[torn mesa]

P2S mechanics are super simple

[undone tide]

challenging mechanics in the scope of 2nd floors

Definitely harder than e10s imo

[torn mesa]

basically every P2S mechanic is just: move to this marker if you have this debuff, with only 2 "variances" in the possibilities in all cases

and it's not like "dance and move"

it's just go there and chill

[drowsy agate]

e10s still has voidgates which is probably the hardest mechanic between e9s and e10s

[undone tide]

Voidgates are easy imo

I think e9s formations are the hardest mech from e9s and e10s

purely because I'm an uptime goblin

But little did square know

Requiescat

[drowsy agate]

I mean, if you want to simplify it like that, then quite literally every mechanic in the entire game is just "move here if X"

[torn mesa]

hence my second point about not dance and move

it's just go there

like you don't have to move a lot

you're also given plenty of time to react and figure out where to go, and again, only 2 possibilities effectively

[undone tide]

man e9s is kinda a challenging first floor huh

[drowsy agate]

it sure was

3rd tier woes

[undone tide]

e9s and e12s

[drowsy agate]

people said Hades EX was harder than e1s as well

[undone tide]

my favorites of the 6 fights I did of Eden lmao

[drowsy agate]

and SoS EX is absolutely harder than e5s

[undone tide]

e5s was horrid for me

[torn mesa]

petition to have PF do uptime maxwell when

[drowsy agate]

but again, with the same logic, SoS EX is far more forgiving and had a lenient DPS check

[undone tide]

it was my first savage

and I was fucking TERRIBLE at the game

[torn mesa]

like grey parse?

[undone tide]

yes

You do not know

How much

Baby tank me

Struggled with the fucking bird

[torn mesa]

oh I'm sure I do, when I do PF

there are some terrible tanks

I've had P4S PF PLD tanks who can't reliably provoke

[undone tide]

I'd say I'm pretty alright now tho

[torn mesa]

who drop combo

[undone tide]

If my static didn't grief me every reclear night I would have all oranges, probably

big copium

hopefully my new static is better

They seem to be

[torn mesa]

what do you mean by grief

[undone tide]

kill me

[torn mesa]

unlikely that's the reason. if they killed you all the time, I'd be shocked if you can consistently get purple

[undone tide]

Not to say all of my deaths were their fault

There were a lot of bad runs

But we got it down near the end of the tier

[torn mesa]

at least you don't play a buff class; that's when your static can grief you even if they don't do things super egregious like killing you outright

[undone tide]

Well it's more damage downs

than dying

rather

but there were deaths

I have had a lot of very good p1s runs go down the drain to intemp

and they outright refused to use timers for fourfold

[torn mesa]

P1S is so boring either way; just a crit farm.

[undone tide]

which I don't understand at all

[torn mesa]

wait what

LOL

[undone tide]

Yeah

[torn mesa]

do they just randomly go to middle/outside based on color

[undone tide]

We just used eyes lmao

Color partners

But it was still incredibly jank

[torn mesa]

...

that sounds so bad

in so many ways

more likely to kill people, harder to execute

[undone tide]

My new static does opti so if we do survive dsr my parses will get better

Or I get forced to drk

Smile

It really was bad

[torn mesa]

do you guys at least do

[undone tide]

We lost a lot of runs to fourfold because of it

[torn mesa]

uptime A2

[undone tide]

yes

[torn mesa]

for P4SP2 now

[undone tide]

We progged on it

[torn mesa]

sad PF is still only doing maxwell

[undone tide]

My new static does maxwell but I'm introducing them to uptime this week

[torn mesa]

uptime a2 is literally same principal, people just need to adjust where they move a little

[undone tide]

Tanks can't intervention apparently

Or ramp for that matter

lmao

[torn mesa]

the only thing it changes from the generic maxwell is where you go to break fire tethers

and have healer move farther for initial purple break so tank can max melee

like...

[undone tide]

I'm pretty proud of my 97 in p4p1

Uptime in that fight is hard, even with req during parts of pinax

[torn mesa]

really? I think it's really chill as melee

you lose 1.5 GCD in the worst case of lightning second and sword

NIN/RPR completely irrelevant, MNK/SAM largely irrelevant.

[undone tide]

Idk from a lot of the parsing community I hear it's kinda bad

[torn mesa]

you don't find act 4 to be worse?

[undone tide]

maybe it's just copium trying to convince myself I'm not bad

act 4 is aight

[torn mesa]

I lose 2 GCDs guaranteed if I'm purple

[undone tide]

u just pray you don't get the purp tether

I lose 1

[torn mesa]

well lose is the wrong word

it's more like have to use a subpar GCD

[undone tide]

Yeah I know what you mean

[torn mesa]

and then act 2 you lose 1 even with uptime strat if you get purple

[undone tide]

I either shield lob or try to do the sprint shit

[torn mesa]

all melees except DRG can at worst do 1 semi acceptable GCD from range

[undone tide]

I think pld may be in spell phase during that part with optimal opener

[torn mesa]

do you not lose a GCD on any non PLD tank during P4SP1 for pulling him

[undone tide]

You lose a gcd on pld as well

It's during fof too

if you use -18

which you should be

What time exactly is the purple pop?

in phase 2

[torn mesa]

first or 2nd?

1 is just before 2 mins IIRC

the other is after

[undone tide]

First

that's the one you lose a gcd at on tank I believe

act 2

[torn mesa]

obviously dependent on how quick your group goes; there's also alternative ways to resolve act 2

by popping fires first

[undone tide]

hm

[torn mesa]

wait you talking about lightning or fire for act 2?

you can break tethers as early as like 1:46~

[undone tide]

The purple tether pop

Ok I'm looking at this timeline

3rd PLD P4SP2 just fuckinf

Ate the downtime

Lmao

[torn mesa]

just have your static let you invuln for uptime 🙂

[undone tide]

invuln heart stake

Sadge

[torn mesa]

pretty useless on P4SP2

mostly useful for P2S/P4SP1

[undone tide]

Invuln for uptime?

Could be cool for p3s

[torn mesa]

if you get mark of the tides, you just invuln for uptime

and go anywhere you want

[undone tide]

nah

U don't need to on pld

The optimal rotation puts you in req at that time

[torn mesa]

yeah, but there's a way for the DPS to get uptime as melee too

but it requires tank to be in a DD spot

[undone tide]

it shouldn't, no?

u can just stand at an edge as tank

[torn mesa]

you're probably right, cause I haven't really looked into that part

I can't think of a use on 3 actually

[undone tide]

Shiva spread

u can invuln the middle one

No need to move

it's a waste sure

but why not

[torn mesa]

you mean the 1 that comes after FOA? you can just have the melee move quicker

[undone tide]

it's just a lot easier that way

no

No

The one before fof

[torn mesa]

that 1 should be super easy no?

[undone tide]

It's just easier that way

I find it fairly hard

but maybe it's because my old static was gaslighting me into making me think I was in the wrong spot when I actually wasn't

And it was because the melee didn't move back to center

[torn mesa]

my spread spot is for any glory is inside/back middle

when progging, the 2nd glory was much tighter time wise for me

[undone tide]

The way it was planned

I was on left of boss

Tank in front

[torn mesa]

probably because I'm not used to big orb snapshot

[undone tide]

rpr behind in the center

and drg on the right

[torn mesa]

when it's little orbs, you can start moving towards center the moment you see the 2nd last orb

[undone tide]

except the rpr

never moved back to center

[torn mesa]

so if it was big orb glory, I can see it being a bit tight

[undone tide]

so they just killed me every time

[torn mesa]

but if it's the first glory

that's just dumb

[undone tide]

yeah

it's first one

[torn mesa]

like the amount of ground you have to cover/the degree to which you need boss to be positioned

is way more lenient for glory 1

[undone tide]

Sure but you don't see it from my perspective

I'm in req in glory 2

[torn mesa]

from how you described it, it just sounds like the RPR isn't moving right

[undone tide]

Yes

[torn mesa]

which should be a free movement for him

[undone tide]

That's what was happening

[torn mesa]

glory 2 is still really easy if you're not the 1 who needs to back towards center

[undone tide]

and he blamed it on me because he's static lead

[torn mesa]

so doubly so I can see it from your POV

I took a north spot for P1S as melee cause the BLM in static wanted to stay south - reasoning was they don't to move more for intemp 2

there's all sorts of janky stuff

[undone tide]

My static did nw adjust

except they almost never did it right or someone else fucked it up

And that's why

I have 3 89s in that fight

[torn mesa]

(just save HG for that part in case they fuck up) 🙂

[undone tide]

DD goes through

[torn mesa]

oh that 1 isn't tied to damage?

that's not the case for the other DDs though right

[undone tide]

Yep

The only one I know distinctly gave DD thru invuln

Is apocs

[vernal breach]

i think i just ate a red planet and lived and dont now how so i guess mitigations are possible

[glad dove]

Giving up on endsinger, feeling worse about myself the more I try it and I'm not learning or improving anyway

[sullen carbon]

how should I decide between Radiant weapons and augmented classical

Ie: does it matter since both essentially have the same stats? Or should I choose based on whether I think I'll be using this class for raids (DNC, specifically)

[dull radish]

between the two, they'll be very comparable and the one that would be better would depend a bit on substats. Though, some things to note:

1. Augmented crafted does not require spending tomes on a weekly lockout
2. The tome weapon can be upgraded, from a drop from P3S and later on you'll also be able to purchase the upgrade item via hunts/token from the 24-man as well like other upgrade items
3. A very solid alternative that will likely be better than either of them for most jobs is the weapon from the new EX fight, since it is 5 ilvls higher than the others mentioned

kinda have to weigh the options and what you have available to you personally/what you want to or plan on clearing, and go from there

[stuck wigeon]

you will always wanna invest in tome gear if you dont do savage

eventually youll be able to get the upgrade mats from 24mans

before 6.2

[dull radish]

well even in that regard there's a consideration for:

• if/when you plan on clearing P4S and getting the weapon from it
• if you have a bunch of other jobs you want to gear up with tome gear
• how much you really care for an improvement over the ex weapon--which would be a gain for sure, but if you're just doing dungeons and such, eh?

[stuck wigeon]

yea i suppose if you dont actually plan on acquiring upgrade mats for the tome gear then the comparison between the two sets are just a matter of which has better substats

[mighty agate]

Everytime I run EX3, I can't help being like "damn they could have made that mechanic so much more sadistic" and I feel a bit sad

like

elenchos during twinsong

wouldn't that be pog

[vernal breach]

dont think kinda do that, its in quick succession rather than at the same time

yeah it would be pog iguess

NOT AS POG AS A WOULD-BE PHASE 2

:l

[mighty agate]

"dont think kinda do that" ? i don't understand

[vernal breach]

doesnt she use elnachos like a split second after the resolution of twinsong*

so its kinda what you're gonig for

[mighty agate]

I don't think so ?

Nah but like I mean

During the donut placement

like you have to be in the donut and dodge elenchos

Oh yeah she does do it right after

that's true

But I want it in the middle, like on the second pattern

[lilac cipher]

just try it with BLM

[mighty agate]

You're actually correct

now that's the true hardmode

[vernal breach]

whack, im getting good enough at 4 planetst o where i can do it properly...but im still gonna press hallow just in case

[mighty agate]

See I can't do this with holmgang

cuz if I get hit It's actually a problem to heal me back up

I have to dodge like a big boy

hey how about

middle head during fatalism

that'd be fun

[vernal breach]

what you do is holmgang, hold a heal
and shirk if you do get hit

not like the MT matters

[lilac cipher]

👀

[vernal breach]

i got my pretty 98 number today, pretty happy bout that :u

maybe i'll shoot for a 99 when i get bis

[mighty agate]

I don't even want to look at my parse

My ilvl's too low anyway for it to say too much I think

gaaaah ending at 4 clears tonight so no 2nd weapon I'm maaaalding

[vernal breach]

yeah i get that
I think so long as you're pressing all your buttons at the right time, you've practically done everything that is required to get a good parse anyway... just without gear

[mighty agate]

Yeah I don't think I'm doing that either man

I don't die but I'm not good 8D

What does that mean when a PF random puts numbers in the chat like "133k" for instance ? Is he insulting someone's dps ?

[vernal breach]

idk, no one should be doing 133k dps or smthn

i dont even know if a single hit can deal 133k either

[mighty agate]

hm, wonder what that was for

[wheat marsh]

group overall dps?

hmm though wouldnt those be pre stat squish?

[lilac cipher]

I mean if you are a tank, parse isn't that important

I'm a tank in my static right now, never cared about parse 😹

[mighty agate]

I don't either tbh

I don't die and we don't reach engage, I've done my job

[vernal breach]

i mean, im not looking to parse high because i care about my individual dps contribution

i look to parse for self satisfaction

lol

[finite plank]

133k is shb numbers

[vernal breach]

ive also had way too many instances in PF where the enrage was so close that had anybody in the party, including the tanks, played any worse than they do
we wouldnt ahve cleared

[finite plank]

highest is 50k+ now

[vernal breach]

so i donts ee any reason not tbe a sweaty gamer

[finite plank]

i care about parse if I had to carry some dumbass who performed so bad, if you placed all of them together, they wouldn't be able to clear

[mighty agate]

If you see enrage in EX3 it's the whole group that fucked up, the enrage is so forgiving

[finite plank]

ex and p1-p2 is lenient

[mighty agate]

It should start after the second endsong, that there's a fatalism after that is kinda wack

[wheat marsh]

i've seen enrage XD

[mighty agate]

Yeah me too, once, the whole group kept dying

[finite plank]

you put them together, they do mechanics, but fuck up their individual performance

[mighty agate]

And I think there's even a thing after the fatalism ?

[finite plank]

fatalism > repeat all mechanics before > fatalism

[mighty agate]

at the end I mean

There's the second endsong, another fatalism, and then a raidwide I think ? And then enrage

[undone tide]

Just search up a timeline

[mighty agate]

too lazy + doesn't matter + it's late + zZz

[finite plank]

macro discord used to post timelines

now they dont

someone linked me p4s before but that's irrelevant

[wheat marsh]

i still dont get theological fatalism so i just go with the group and live or wipe with them

[quick verge]

the fight loops after planet suppression so yeah

just do it again

[mighty agate]

which one is theological fatalism again

is it the double fatalism ?