endgame-lounge

[subtle bone]

eh unless you plan to clear last turn really late, wouldnt bother getting it

better off getting left side armors > accessories

[viscid gust]

how much was the weapon again? 1000 + that token thingy?

[subtle bone]

yea somethn like that

not worth haha

[viscid gust]

oh wait it's 500 now?

[subtle bone]

o looks to be 500 now yea

[hasty ermine]

Yes 500

Well with the stuff I got from p2s I could upgrade an accessory and buy the Weapon.

[viscid gust]

you'd still need the drop from p3s though

or was the weapon token p2s?

[hasty ermine]

For the 600 upgrade yes

[viscid gust]

oh it's p2s, interesting

[hasty ermine]

The token which you can exchange with the blades you get from p4 every week drops in p2s

[viscid gust]

oh right p3s is the upgrade for the tome weapon

[hasty ermine]

The upgrade to 600 in p3s

[tight helm]

You refering to astro tomestone exchange?

[subtle bone]

uh new ones yea

[tight helm]

I heal, not sure what to do with tomestones yet, just gonna hold and see

[subtle bone]

kinda doesnt matter but if you have an augment mat then

id decide like that

accessory if you want something quicker

[tight helm]

But how's the p3s DPS check or difficulty?

[subtle bone]

if the group is melded and there are no deaths then its lenient

think that fight is more difficult on healers

[tight helm]

Already found p2s a slog in party finder since I kept finding a2c parties with idiots who didn't even know how to do the limit cut mechanic

I don't have a static or anything, just pf everything

[subtle bone]

ive seen some pf groups clear p3 yesterday

[tight helm]

Sounds like it might not be possible to beat the DPS check then?

[subtle bone]

itll be real tight but i think its doable with decent gear & good food+pots

[tight helm]

Can I expect it to be better soon or do I probably need to wait 1-2 months before everyone's gear is strong for it to be less tight?

Started with endwalker so I don't really know how fast pubs progress

[subtle bone]

it would be easier immediately like next week when there are standarized strats and people have few more pieces of gear

[tight helm]

Don't people only get one or so ilv590 piece, and most don't even get a savage box for loot?

[subtle bone]

yea but when there are more parties progging the turn, youre bound to get a group of slightly above minilvl so if people play well its not bad.. pentameld is not an insane increase over melded 580 gear

easy to learn strats giving people more uptime/knowledge of the fight and progging it makes more of a difference i think

[gloomy night]

probably start next week

if you start next 1-2 months

you might get the "bottom of the barrel" players

you can still get those players now but they have an excuse that the fight is still new lol

[slender lichen]

do people use ilya's guides for panda savage

[drowsy agate]

i tried to use ilya's guides last tier and i saw like a 40 minute video just for e9s

and i was like

"no"

especially when rainesama's guide was only like 10 mins and still covered the whole fight

[slender lichen]

its 13 mins for p1s

[drowsy agate]

that's way better than 40 mins

i haven't watched it though so I can't speak on its quality

[slender lichen]

pugging is just so scawwy

[drowsy agate]

don't sweat it for p1s lol

it's honestly a very easy fight

the telegraphs are gigantic and obvious and you have ample time to get into position

[subtle bone]

i think 1+2 are fairly easy and will be nice farms in pf

[drowsy agate]

i'm personally fighting the urge to PF cuz our static night is on sunday

[tight helm]

Damn, and I suffered really hard trying to pf those two

[subtle bone]

patience friend

well its the first week thats expected

i mean in the future

[tight helm]

How difficult are the savages relative to each other and past savages?

[cobalt hemlock]

Oop wrong channel

[drowsy agate]

many of us won't be able to tell you how hard p4s is yet

majority of people here have not yet seen p3 or p4s

i'm sure there are a few

my initial impression on p1s is that it's easier than e9s

and p2s is easier than e10s

e5s is easier than p1s though

e6s i guess probably harder than p2s?

my experience on p2s is limited though, I haven't been in it yet, only watched vids

can't speak to p3s or p4s like I said but e7s is almost certainly easier than p3s

idk how close the DPS check is either but e11s's DPS check was kinda rough on release

[subtle bone]

depends how you look at it, relative difficulty after all the puzzles have been solved?

[tight helm]

Yea actually in hindsight, p2s will be a lot easier once people are tankier

[subtle bone]

ya gear makes a huge difference

skipping mechs/surviving

[tight helm]

Especially the coherence + channeling mechanic

That shit is super rough on the healers now

[nimble shore]

Will there be clear/prog parties week 2 or 3 of savage? Or is it just gonna be all duty complete. I have a busy week and idk if I can clear it this one

[subtle bone]

Yes but if youre busy gotta get lucky

[slender lichen]

if i dont have melds/food/pots how fucked am i

would i be a horrible person joining a pug like that and needing the other people to make up for my dps lol

[slender widget]

not having melds is an absolute no go. You lose a lot of dps

[subtle bone]

you can do p1s and p2s with normal mode + ex gear

obviously fill the open materia slots at least

[slender lichen]

i didnt think i would want to do savage this tier so i sold my melds

ill have to do hunt trains

[slender widget]

people are usually okay with not having pots. but food and melds are the ones you should bring

[subtle bone]

buy them ? they are cheaper now

[slender lichen]

i guess i could do that

[slender widget]

also most statics don't use pots until they are in kill range

[drowsy agate]

just meld tier 8s

you'll be fine

tier 8s from last tier are dirt cheap and you probably already have hundreds

[slender widget]

yep tier 8 should be fine

[drowsy agate]

although if you have any clusters from this tier it wouldn't hurt to meld those into the mainstay items

[slender widget]

I use the new ones on my main jobs and the older ones on my alt jobs currently

[drowsy agate]

food also will help

again you can use last tier food if you're too poor to buy new tier

[slender lichen]

new tier food is p cheap actually i thought the prices would be super inflated

[drowsy agate]

i guess it depends on class

BLM sykon cookie was fucking 40k per bite on day 1

fuck that, lol

[slender lichen]

i only have tanks

[drowsy agate]

but yea prices have dropped a lot since day 1

food is starting to stabilize around 3-6k per bite now

and you don't need pots at all pretty much

in pugs i'd only pot if the party is actually capable of clearing

[slender widget]

most of the stuff will probably be irrelevant in 3-5 weeks anyway because we'll overgear the raids

if you can clear the first boss on savage that's already 1 piece per week

• the tomestone gear

[stable basin]

sfia is tps

i love sfia

[sinful brook]

Indeed sfia alone is all of tps

[drowsy agate]

what about that Viewing Cutscene guy

i heard they're pretty cool too

[steady pebble]

nah, they're just sfia alts

[quasi saffron]

no but you see your icon with timer. so everyone knows what to do in theory

first chain is looking at character and with all the effects, oof sometimes

[surreal leaf]

Yeah we use the timer strat for fourfold

[frank quiver]

Heyo, does anyone have a prio system for KB partners on P2S? Are the arrows randomly assigned?

[lyric summit]

i think it gets assigned by roles somewhat but you don't really need a system for it?

first one just go on cardinals either side of the waymarks

second and third they have different debuff durations so it sort of solves itself

[frank quiver]

Maybe I'm overthinking it, but isn't there a possibility for mix-up? For instance, on the first one-- two players get assigned the down arrow, and they both run NW (instead of one going NW and the other going NE).

[jade moon]

does anyone know what the pandaemonium savage ilevel requirement is?

i know for normal its 565

[hidden kettle]

575

[subtle bone]

https://gyazo.com/a42912a12179b7552889606c61e12f23

my paint skillz

[quick verge]

even if you run to the same position for the 1st kb arrows, you still have like

what

9 seconds? or something absurd

to adjust

[frank quiver]

Aha. Didn't realize it was that long. Ty for the paint and the elaboration.

[tight abyss]

does anyone have the imgur link for the chains mechanic on p1s?

[hidden kettle]

Can someone explain how the second chains on p1s work, because I keep getting mixed messaging

[tight abyss]

fourfold?

[hidden kettle]

yes

[tight abyss]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sCeS5a1K__H43ssQMIrcPSRpLV10UlOVTaHztX1Z6Tw/edit

[subtle bone]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/886817075916574730/928755299890888744/SPOILER_unknown.png

[tight abyss]

second page, four purple squares and 4 red circles

[tight abyss]

thank you!

[tight abyss]

people need to check their debuff timer and color and move to the corresponding positions on the guide

[hidden kettle]

I met people who said, that the timmer doesn't matter, that the initial color doesn't matter, that the colors will magically change

[tight abyss]

well they might be doing a different method. But this is the generally accepted PF method and timers/colors DO matter if you use this

[subtle bone]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/778834110629937162/927906518685347932/unknown.png?width=591&height=590 ima drop this here too for people on p2, use when needed lol

[slender lichen]

im a little confused on aetherial shackles

1 person gets a red debuff and 1 gets purple

and then it snapshots the people closest to them and gives them the chains?

[lyric summit]

doesn't really snapshot

it waits till the debuff expires

the targets can keep changing

[slender lichen]

but it targets the people closest to the ones with the debuff yeah?

so if people spread out preemptively for red chains then it will mess up the targets?

[lyric summit]

closest to blue/purple, furthest from red

[covert lotus]

purple is closest red is farthest

[hidden kettle]

like I've been reprimanded because I got purple as a ranged character and went mid. the people who beat it said that I should have stayed far

[slender lichen]

oh

ok that makes more sense

also when do i provoke from the MT this is my first time tanking savage

and i kept killing him

[lyric summit]

probably during cast? but every TB can behave differently

[slender lichen]

i did but maybe i did it too late in the cast

[quick verge]

if the 2nd part of the tb is flare i think the other tank has to pop a cd

and both of you need to be sufficiently far apart from each other

[slender lichen]

yeah he kept dying to the flare

he said i was supposed to provoke and take the flare tho?

[quick verge]

tank eating kb gets a magic vuln, and 2nd tank eats the flare

1st tank gets chunked regardless

[slender lichen]

ok so maybe im supposed to just provoke earlier in the cast then

[quick verge]

if you had the flare animation on you, and the tanks were like

say, ne and nw max melee on the boss

then it should be fine

and 1st tank can just pop short cd like bloodwhetting/holy sheltron etc

[slender lichen]

he was MTing, i provoked when the cast was like 2/3 of the way done, but he got the kb AND the flare

i was like wat

maybe he forgot to shirk me?

[quick verge]

voke at the start of the cast so they have sufficient time to weave shirk

[slender lichen]

ok ill do that

[cloud mortar]

I have no prior MMO/raiding experience. So far P1S is very easy. Is it just me or what? I expected a bit more from savages tbh

[steady pebble]

first two or so floors are generally suppose to be relatively easy

especially for the first tier

difficulty generally ramps up in the 3rd and 4th floors

[pallid gorge]

also possible that things in p1s just clicks for you i’ve seen plenty struggling to understand chain and hot and cold

[sinful brook]

its also the first fight of the expansion

its expected to be easy

[cloud mortar]

The biggest struggle in p1s is other people knowing mechs

10 clear parties, people fucking wipe on shackles

[quasi saffron]

there is also that rumour that it cant be baited. the ones close to the boss always get the purple right ?

at least i get that feeling that the ones close to the boss (melee) get always purple and the ones away (range/mages) get red

[viscid gust]

no, it's not baited; 3 people closest to the active purple gets purple chains attached to the active purple guy, 3 people furthest from the active red get red circular chains around them

[pallid gorge]

it’s not important to “bait” in onto specific people. Melee can max melee to resolve red just fine. And later on, 4 people get blue, 4 people get red so everyone has to know what is going on anw

[viscid gust]

for 4fold you get all the purple debuff people close to the boss so that they're always attaching themselves to each other, etc.

[cloud mortar]

I'm actually more surprised that people are convincing each other you must do timers on 4fold

that's the dumbest shit ever

4fold works the same as normal, it just hits you 4 times

who cares

get in your positions

This is the last time I'm pugging holy shit

[viscid gust]

what's wrong with timers?

I thought it was a neat way to get people to not fight each other over spots accidentally

[cloud mortar]

Assign everyone a clock position and adjust if needed

it ain't hard lmao

[viscid gust]

from my experience, "adjust if needed" just doesn't work very well for PF

plus timer is like braindead simple IMO

[cloud mortar]

After 20 pug CLEAR parties who couldn't get past first shackles I instantly believe this

I need a static

[viscid gust]

plus like timers let people preplan their movement, whereas adjustments in real time screw that up

thankfully I was filling in for a static (via PF) for p1s and we just progged together until we cleared; dunno how p2s will be in actual PF

[cloud mortar]

Better, since it can only have people who cleared p1s

I feel like there are so many people joining in p1s who just can't handle savage

[stable basin]

Yeah people filter out with each fight

I feel like most people who cleared 1 are going to be decent

Anyone on 3 rn has to be pretty good

and anyone on 4 is a certified gamer

[viscid gust]

once the strats are out, p1s just doesn't feel like a very tough fight

[dusty dirge]

https://twitter.com/ffxivmomo/status/1478837658390462464?s=21

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Current breakdown of the most popular jobs of the ones who have cleared P4S right now

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[viscid gust]

I wonder if this is what e1s was like when it was current

[pallid gorge]

or just have lots of time

[stable basin]

you aren't gonna just smash your face into 3 and get a clear in pf

you gotta pull your weight

I mean later on you will

[viscid gust]

lol whm and sage lowest

[stable basin]

But not with current gear

[viscid gust]

I guess real gamers got bored by whm or something

[cloud mortar]

I won't be able to clear 1 with these dumbasses lmao

[pallid gorge]

e1s is even easier cause it has no “puzzle” to solve

p1s has 2

[viscid gust]

ah

[stable basin]

e1s was "have 8 people alive for pure light"

[cloud mortar]

a puzzle? lmfao

[viscid gust]

it took our blind group a hot minute to realize you could also stand in the middle in p1s lol

[pallid gorge]

lmfao all you want

it is what it is kek

you can find chain or hot and cold easy af and you’re not wrong

but reality is that they are blocking people from clearing cause lul your specific positions matter ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stable basin]

I stood in the middle on our first clear and got dmg down and thought it killed you lol

but it was someone else messing up

er on our first pull

[viscid gust]

for us it was "hrm what's this purp-oh instadeath"

for p2s it was "OMG he lied to us"

[quasi saffron]

what shoud i roll on first as dark night in savage raids ?

which armorpiece

[pallid gorge]

check your bis in the balance and roll from there

!faq balance

[storm frost]

The Balance

Discord

[stable basin]

for savage just roll on anything in your bis

[quasi saffron]

i am a noob. what is bis ? sorry

[stable basin]

best-in-slot

aka best weapon, best helmet, etc

[viscid gust]

long story short, most of the slots have two options that have the same maximum item level (one is an upgraded astronomy tome gear and one is the savage raid gear) so you should roll for drops for the slots where the savage raid gear is better (in terms of substats) because you'd be buying the tome gear for the other ones

[weary bone]

woooooooooo
finally cleared P1S

had one run an hour earlier where it was an obvious clear at like 20% but tank hard DC'd and we got enrage at 4%

anyways

I need both hands and legs for normal raid loot, which do you guys think I should go for this week?

[drowsy agate]

legs is a larger stat increase over hands

[weary bone]

kk

[slender lichen]

these pugs just cannot do fourfold

[dusk sapphire]

TFW standing still is the most difficult thing these people had to ever do

[weary bone]

So is it when alliance raid release that normal(/Savage?) Weekly loot limits are removed?

[verbal oak]

normal yes

later in 6.1 savage will be unlocked

prolly 6.1.5 or somethin

[weary bone]

Huh

But before tier two raids release?

[verbal oak]

no

next tier is 6.2

6.1 is the alliance raid

[weary bone]

That's what I meant

[verbal oak]

yeah

the alliance raid drops 590 gear

its in the same tier as 6.05

the next savage tier is 6.2

[vestal cosmos]

Loaded question time! How do I become a better at extreme/savage content? Ive played FF since release but never really did any big group content but finally found a fun group.
I’m a tank as it stands right now and after putting about 20 pulls worth of attempts into EX2 some things Ive noticed :

• losing your rotation and getting back into an optimal rotation is absolutely brutal. How do you deal with screwing up your rotation and getting back on pace?

• positioning the boss is a nightmare in some cases. Are there tips to easily getting them back to center north?

[finite plank]

the more you know of your job, the more easier it becomes to get back into an optimal rotation

[finite plank]

which fight is this

[vestal cosmos]

Ex2 and im pld

The rotation is not too hard but doing it under mechanics is tough (fun, but tough)

[finite plank]

leave it when it moves after the opener. the boss will reorient itself for most mechanic. the movement heavy mechanics will then, want you to eventually move the boss to the middle so you can move to the correct safespot for lightwaves

[vestal cosmos]

So, after the second of lightwave hits the middle crystal position her back center? Then after the first set of lightwaves where u need to go to the safe corner go back mid?

Do you sacrifice uptime by standing where you want the boss to go or just backstep when she allows herself to be moved?

[finite plank]

there's no reason for you to lose uptime when moving

hit the boss while moving it to the middle to keep it somewhat consistent as it snapshots to the center for a mechanic

[plucky glen]

savage lockout is fking dumb.

joined a PF that is A2C. turns out all of them cleared once, except me. 0 chests. wtf. why clear if no loot

[lyric summit]

you get a message in chat and in the middle of your screen how many chests it's gonna be

when you zone in

[subtle bone]

If there is no 2/0 chest in description you should ask..

Savage lockout is fine :)

[vernal breach]

What actually gives damage down during temperance

[dull radish]

taking a color that is the same as your debuff is the main one

missed squares (that aren't being hit by purple) do a bunch of damage and also give damage downs if you live through the damage too, if I recall correctly?

[quick verge]

yeah

[vernal breach]

Mmkay

[glass pine]

E3S is just repeats after firestorms right? no more major mechanics?

[dull radish]

the eye things come back, but you have to point them inwards and then you have beyond death type debuffs where you need to "die" x amount of times to cleanse it, then get topped off afterwards

other than that it's nothing really new

[glass pine]

ah yeah there's that, gonna pray our healers can handle it

[dull radish]

the cool trick is to have an AST to use macrocosmos

no better way to completely trivialize a mechanic than that

straight up feels like cheating

[subtle bone]

we just tank lb3 on our clear 😂

[torn kindle]

Doesn’t that mechanic do like 999k damage tho

Or are you tank lb’ing a different thing

Unless you mean using it after that

[subtle bone]

for life agony

not death toll

[stable basin]

yeah the raidwide is 300% max hp magic damage if you're not topped so tank lb survives it

[subtle bone]

meme attack

[plain void]

What’s the difference between 1 and 2 chests in the savage raid?

I know 2 drops 3 items

Does 1 drop 2?

[sinful brook]

!faq savageloot

[storm frost]

What floors of savage drop which items?

Per tier:
First floor: (Belt/Earring/Necklace/Bracelet/Ring) x3
Second floor: (Head/Gloves/Boots) x2 + Weapon Tomestone + Tomestone Accessory upgrade
Third floor: Head/Gloves/Boots + Legs + Tomestone Armor upgrade + Tomestone Weapon upgrade
Fourth floor: Weapon + Chest + Random single weapon + Mount + Minion

Loot Rules: Following each weekly reset, every player has a chance to obtain loot from the Savage encounters of the current raid tier. Upon clearing each floor, you will obtain 1 book specific to that fight (e.g. Book of Anamorphosis) and a chance to roll on the loot from that floor. Regardless of if you obtained loot from your weekly clear, you will be barred from rolling on loot from the same encounter until the next weekly reset.

Entering an encounter before clearing the previous floor(s) will relinquish all rewards from previously uncleared floors. (e.g. Entering E12S before clearing E9S for the week will relinquish loot from E9S, E10S, and E11S.) You will lose a chance to earn a book and your chance to roll on any loot that drops that week.

The number of players in your party that have cleared/skipped the encounter for the week will also affect the loot you will get after clearing the encounter.
0 players cleared: 2 chests
1-4 players cleared: 1 chest
5-8 players cleared: 0 chests

[plain void]

So does that mean each chest contains 3 for floor 1

It doesn’t really answer my question

Or is 3 the total amount of the 2 chests

[lyric summit]

one chest has 2 accs, other one has 1acc

if you do a 1 chest kill you get random chest

[daring hound]

how to overcome social anxiety to join savage raids

[vernal breach]

i dont really understand any of the temperance strategies
they're so flipping complicated like "heres pattern #1, 2 and 3"
"remember this shit and solve it by doing x, y, or z"

and im lyke.....if you see a purple icecube, its going to fucking kill you, so dont stand there
nad the hot and cool icecube mechanic is the same one from bozja and the normal version of the raid
doesnt take more than 2 braincells or a silly graph to resolve the hot/cool nonsense

but idk, i could be wrong

like the complexity of the solution and the complexity of the puzzle itself, theres like an odd dissonance is what im gettin at

[dull radish]

so, you can start looking at it like, fix your color on the second set so you can take your own square, stand in middle for that set if you do not need to fix your color

but the problem is, this will not always work to completely resolve the mechanic without some small element of adjusting

in general you can put this adjustment on two predetermined people to do if needed, and that will resolve it. Other strategies which are less advised (but will also work) involve not having anyone adjust and just make a tank take the damage down from taking the wrong color, or have the entire party adjust

[vernal breach]

Well im the foqing tank and im not gonna eat any DD just cuz the dps wanna be lazy
So thats good

That said, i love the…”weapons” mechanic
Where the weapon the pis boss yoinks out determines the shape of the aoe
And the shape of the weapon and its corresponding aoe is fairly intuitive
Thats foqing great imo

[lucid holly]

I used to just eat the damage down as tank but one party we just did the same thing I always did where everyone resolves in second then goes to OG tiles for third, except this time the MT and the DPS to north east swap on last if the south isn’t 3 ice

[vernal breach]

yeah sometimes its the OT and some dps that swap

as for the bads, the TB makes me livid

is there a consensus between tanks yet how to resolve the darn thing without losing uptime?

[lucid holly]

The pitiless tank buster? Tanks swap after knockback while new MT stands where he has to for aoe or soak

I think only the tank that gets knockedback should be losing uptime

In which case its probably unavoidable, since I think arms length doesn’t negate it

If its purgation then new MT also has to lose uptime

Gotta yeet your ranged

[vernal breach]

That would be me so im here to file a complaint against god

And hes, purgation is the one i have beef with

[sinful brook]

just invuln the ones you can

and when you get a purgation just be far from your other tank

you don't really lose uptime

say the tank you voke off gets knocked around NW then you take the flare around max melee closer to E but still sorta diagonal from the cardinal

should be around far enough tbh

[vernal breach]

Ykmow, that sounds plausible

Step 1. I now have to tell the OT to stop standing NE during flares

[quick verge]

just remember the flare hurts the other tank more than the pt

[sinful brook]

ok if they go ne you adjust

and go hard west

after the knock

[vernal breach]

Im not even sure i have time, the knock back and the flare detonation is really close

[sinful brook]

not really

theres enough time

if you're worried sprint exists

[drowsy agate]

just go in

and realize everyone in the party is also shit

easiest way

if you know how to breathe through your nose, can do your rotation like 75% right, and can comprehend English

you're better off than like 99% of PF randos

[dense bone]

Man I haven't even done normals yet and I have no clue what any of you are saying. Raiding definitely isn't for me.

[sacred verge]

How do you know until you try though, especially if you haven't even done the normal stuff? Honestly, the biggest hurdle everyone has in PF and raiding in general is they think it's some content for only pro-level gamers and that causes them to put it on some stupid pedestal. Just put up a PF, say it's learning, go in and die. No one will care if it's a practice run, just yeet yourself in and get over the anxiety that you caused yourself. Once there, THEN see if it's something you enjoy and decide what to do.

[dense bone]

I mean I read tfdf so I have some idea what the endgame community is like. Coupled with the fact I don't even understand explanations of mechanics...yeah...

[sinful brook]

the endgame community isn't really properly represented by TFDF tbh

[sacred verge]

You can watch a video, but realistically, you won't get a true feel for them until you are there in the actual fight where everyone starts panicking and running around aimlessly (the true PF experience lol). That's why I say you should go in, because watching/reading about it will feel different until you try it.

Then, I mean it's just muscle memory and practice. You can have plenty of fun and find plenty of challenge on EX and P1/2S if you've never done harder content before, you just need to find your level for what you consider fun in game

[sinful brook]

tfdf is like 99% negative experiences so its negatively biased toward that image. also TFDF is normal content was well

typically if you ask questions we try to help.

at least do the normal raids, the story for it is shaping up to be sort of interesting imo. and then just jump in to a learning party and feel for the first floor

[stable basin]

most TFDF content is proof that it takes two dicks to have a measuring contest

[sinful brook]

you only need 2? what do i do with this third one then

[torn kindle]

Let your imagination go wild

[crisp falcon]

24hours straight on P2S, Advertised “seen enrage only” party and I have only reached enrage twice…. I’m about to kill myself if I play one more time with pub. And I have a knife next to my desk…

Fuck my life

[pallid gorge]

go to sleep man

[sinful brook]

Please don't joke about killing yourself, it ain't cool. And if it wasn't a joke we'd have to take this to discord trust and safety@crisp falcon consider rewording what you mean to voice your frustration

[golden slate]

p3s is so

[pearl flicker]

cant wait I'm still stuck on p1s bc I don't understand what the hell timers are

I just stand in the same spot every time

seems to work unless I'm purple chain and then some red steps on my toes and it's my fault im prob still doin something wrong or whatever

[dense bone]

I just died twice in Stigmascpe's final boss and have zero idea what I did wrong.

Imagine you people encouraging me to try Savage.

What a joke.

[dull radish]

@pearl flickerthe placement doesn't really have anything to do with timers, the timers just give people a set place to go based on the timer on their debuff instead of potentially having to scramble or adjust, which pugs are often rather bad with. If people are good at adjusting you can wing it fine, as long as the right colors are in the right spots overall

[pearl flicker]

savage is fine if u have ppl that don't know what they're doing with u or ur doing it with friends... whenever I try party finder it's just some ppl oblivious like me and then some impatient ass mfs in a blind/fresh prog that are there to clear and grind for some odd reason and get frustrated when ur still learning

yeah I usually just always go nw, like the corner one

bc I'm healer

and if I have purple I'll just go west of the middle

it works well every time but sometimes if im purple a red will step on me and I don't realize quick enough

and then it kills me cuz im too late backing up

[dense bone]

Maybe you didn't read my message properly. I said I died twice in Stigmascape. A dungeon.

[pearl flicker]

LMAO that's ok...

u got dis

im worse than u I'm sure of it... I went whm cuz it's 3 buttons max

[dull radish]

sometimes stuff happens and it takes a few times to understand what's going on, especially if it's unfamiliar mechanics to you and you don't get things explained to you either

[pearl flicker]

oh yeah, I got the tiles down but the first time forget about it I didn't even know how to switch my cube but now I'm a pro at it

i want to prog tonight but everyone's already grinding p4s

[dense bone]

Or I'm just a stupid moron that can't even do basic dungeons.

[dull radish]

well, to put it into perspective

one of our old static members that had to leave due to his work schedule changing, consistently dies to the first boss of dead ends every time that some of my other static members run expert with him. We don't understand why he doesn't understand it or just otherwise dies to it, but he does every time

and we've cleared multiple savage tiers and ultimate fights with him

[pearl flicker]

i love dead ends so much, last week I did it for 7 hours straight and im doing it every week for fuckin tomestones it's so easy to me now I LOVE the damn mechanics

wish all savage tiers were just the dungeon

id be ilvl 1309 rn

but noo..

[frank quiver]

Oh god. No.

[pearl flicker]

hopefully I find friendly people to be patient with my prog

LMAO

I LOVE IT

[vernal breach]

say, how do people tell if they're a red chain during ancient shakles anyhow
it appears to me that only 2 people get a debuff

and people with red chains just come out of nowhere

[sinful brook]

its distance based

[vernal breach]

yknow thats what i thought til i got a red chain despite eating the boss's ass

repeatedly

i dont often get the red chains
but when i do, i never see it coming

but it seems other people know they're getting a red chain ;v

[sinful brook]

its the furthest 3 players from the person that has the debuff

so even if you're in the bosses ass

if you're still further than someone else in the ass

you get it

[vernal breach]

im pretty sure i had the purple debuff.. and the red chain at the same time ;v

so that was cool

[sinful brook]

yes that can happen

[vernal breach]

i feel like im no closer to how im suppose to know if i receive a red tether

and none of thevideos really explicitly answer that too

[sinful brook]

in pf its based on your clock position

if you have a cardinal you bait a purple tether unless you explicitly have the red chain, then you adjust with your intercard partner

and vice versa

[vernal breach]

well, uuh i happened to be a cardinal
who often gets red chains annd ive no idea how

i dont mind having to adjust, i just.. need to know sooner

i know what to do , i jsut need t oknow when to do it
yfeel me?

[sinful brook]

the debuff from aetherial shackles just tells you who has the debuffs

and essentially where the chains will originate from

[vernal breach]

just stand next to the guy with the purple chain

and if i have both chain, well fuck me i guess

[sinful brook]

that means someone else isn't far enough

[vernal breach]

oh good, that means i can blame somebody else now

knowledge is power

well, my chain flipped color again but i expected it and ran the fuck to the corner ;l

saved

[dapper plinth]

Quick question: on p3s healing down phase, do regen will be full potency if used before debuff?

[quick verge]

healing down?

do you mean healing up during fountain of fire?

if so then you'll have to reapply regens so they snapshot the healing buff

[dull radish]

nah, there's a healing down you get from resolving the beyond deaths

[quick verge]

oh

[vernal breach]

do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?

[fickle crow]

i was watching scripe's p1s day one vod and is it just me or did he totally iframe the intemperance mechanic in this clip

https://clips.twitch.tv/WimpyKnottyJalapenoJonCarnage-F1nyMRc9dowEVxhN

From my understanding of the mechanic only 2 things shouldve happened, either his fire debuff wouldve changed to ice or he shouldve died . Yet neither happens

[vernal breach]

:shrugs:

that done did look like it

[finite plank]

looks like an overly complicated way to go to middle

[zinc jetty]

is 9 gcd's still the goal as gnb?

[gritty perch]

Yes

[quasi saffron]

erm. for 2nd circle. the part with the blue and purple markers. i cant see them in time because everyone is around and i cant identify mine. how do you solve this guys 😄

[trim sage]

question if you rolled for need at p1s coffer but didn't get it, can you still roll on other runs within the same week?

[finite plank]

no

welcome to ff14 savage raiding

[dull radish]

no, you get one clear per fight per week. If you don't get any coffers you don't get any coffers. Next time you can get anything from the fight is after weekly reset

[finite plank]

and earning loot

[finite plank]

i can't see colours, i look if I got a tether along with the dice

if you get a non tethered

and you got 1 or 4

you can stack with 1/4

[trim sage]

woah i see, thanks!

[finite plank]

otherwise, prepare to sprint

[dull radish]

ideally you spread out a bit (especially with some people kb cancelling the shockwave) so you can see things a bit better. But yeah, I only pay attention to tether or not, and what number I am

[quasi saffron]

oh wait. does that mean the non-tethered gets a specific always always ?

[finite plank]

what

[quasi saffron]

"if u get a non tethered"

i thought you mean that some players are not tethered and getting a specific color

[finite plank]

i dont differentiate using colours

you look if you have a line on you from the boss and if it doesn't exist, you're getting an aoe dice

[quasi saffron]

ah ok. thx. so no line = platform or between ?

[finite plank]

the not square shaped safe spot area

[quasi saffron]

very cool. thank you.

this makes it way easier

so there are always 4 tethered and 4 non-tethered

[finite plank]

yes

[quasi saffron]

great. thx

[silk skiff]

i am curios
is it worth it switching your Gear to a higher ILVL one even if the higher ilvl one(i speak savage vs normal mode gear) has far worse crit? and only marginal better Determination?
as i got the tank gauntlet from 2S.. and well normal mode gauntlets just seem "better"

[quasi saffron]

are we allowed to cross paths for the first arrows in savage 2 ?

[silk skiff]

you must cross paths

you cant resolve otherwise

[torn kindle]

An ilvl difference of 20 is enough to make the higher ilvl item almost always better

[silk skiff]

it has marginal higher strenght and det, marginal better defence (far higher tenacity) but WROSE crit

even melded with 2 Crit materia its worse then normal mode without any materia

[torn kindle]

You’re getting more main stat

[quasi saffron]

yeah. true. can we stand on the platforms too ?

or only between

[silk skiff]

you can, dont reccommend

DPS gets thight potentialy later

[quasi saffron]

ok ty.

[silk skiff]

not evne joking, we just cleared it within enrage after 2 melee LB(one 3 one 2) and no deaths

[silk skiff]

what eaxctly is main stat anyway?

[torn kindle]

Strength/vitality/dexterity/mind/intelligence

[silk skiff]

ah, but its a marginal increase in those stats, is it really that massive over basicaly like 1-2 tiers of Crit?

like its 19 strenght for instance.. but eh, i trust you

[torn kindle]

Look at it as a percentage increase, not direct number

232 strength to 256 strength is a 10% increase, going from 560 to 580 for a chestpiece

And main stats boost damage much more than secondary stats

[silk skiff]

ok

point taken,

thanks for explaining

[covert crest]

Are limit cuts the biggest blockade for p2s?

[quick verge]

probably yeah

[vernal breach]

why are so many things called limit cut but not actually called limit cut in game

[quick verge]

i think cruise chaser in a11 was the first instance of those numbers over the head

which happened under limit cut

there were other mechanics that happened under each cast of limit cut like the lapis shit

but w/e

[vernal breach]

i wish people just called em by the names in gaem man

[quick verge]

idek what hippocampus' numbers are called

[vernal breach]

same

but if people started using it, i'd know what it was called!

[quick verge]

needs a cool name like fundamental synergy

[pallid gorge]

limit cut is the 2nd most common reason most people aren’t Perfect Legends so it has racked up enough notoriety to be the umbrella name for similar mechs

[tardy dew]

for e3s what's the myta strat?

[steep falcon]

Kampeos Harma?

Everybody calls it Limit Cut

[frank quiver]

..?

Are you saying that TEA Limit Cut is holding back people from their clears?

[pallid gorge]

one of the more common reasons for sure

[frank quiver]

I'd argue that TEA has mechanics that are more difficult than Limit Cut. But I agree that LC has a notorious reputation.

[pallid gorge]

well, some harder shiz are after Limit cut

so they fail Limit cut they dont see those shiz anw

[covert ledge]

not even close

if they cant do limit cut they sure as fuck cant do wormhole

[pallid gorge]

how are they seeing wormhole?

[covert ledge]

im saying:

lc is easier than wormhole

if they cant do that

they certainly cant od wormhole lol

[pallid gorge]

LC blocks them from getting to see wormhole in the first place lol

[covert ledge]

join a bjcc party then if they're confident about lc

[pallid gorge]

i’m not doing pug TEA

[covert ledge]

join a different static then

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pallid gorge]

pug uwu and ucob maybe

[covert ledge]

if other people are holding you back

[pallid gorge]

i cleared 19 times for totems already lul

[covert ledge]

well, people in general then

if they're confident about lc, and they're sick fo static memes options are: pf it, join a new static

[pallid gorge]

but my point was that limit cut will block people lul

[covert ledge]

it will for a little bit

but imo bjcc is a bigger wall

wormhole>bjcc>lc as walls for tea imo

[pallid gorge]

that’s not wrong

[covert ledge]

yea i hate bjcc a lot more than lc

nisi tick deaths lmfao

[pallid gorge]

bjcc is why i refuse to pug tea

cant pay me to do so

[covert ledge]

i did itin a static but quite a few of my friends have recleared tea in pf

did uwu/ucob in pf tho

[pallid gorge]

ucob in pure pf is impressive

[quick verge]

hardest part of ucob is not strangling someone

[quasi saffron]

endwalker savages is my first harder content in mmos. how are they compared to others mmo content ?

in terms of difficulty

[pallid gorge]

just my 2 cents but i doubt there are enough gamers out there who have time to do both xiv’s high end and others MMO’s to form a concrete evaluation …

[quasi saffron]

yeah not at the same time. i was just curious if someone has experience in other mmos too

[pallid gorge]

closest i’ve seen are some wowfugee streamers doing savage and ultimate content but they get streamer privilege so their experience and opinions are .. invalid, or not as valid imo …

[quasi saffron]

i see.

btw. ultimate content ?

[pallid gorge]

highest end content in xiv

ultimate >>> savage >> extreme

[quasi saffron]

ultimate gets unlocked after savage ?

[pallid gorge]

after specific savages, yes

there are 3 ultimates in the game atm: bahamut ult (ucob), ultima weapon ult (uwu) and alexander ult (tea)

probably easier to google how to unlock them

there’s another ult coming in ~3 months

[quasi saffron]

yeah. no worries was just curious. i am doing the savage with party finder. currently at the 2nd one

and since this is my first mmo experience i was curious what mmo experts say

i read somewhere that it took months for a good group to clear the hardest content in ffxiv. jesus christ

[pallid gorge]

that was another age of xiv

the first raid tier ever took that long cause playerbase was small and fights were weird

more recent raid tiers took less than a day for world first

even most recent ultimate took less than a week iirc

[wild ether]

months is def not a good group lol

[pallid gorge]

it was that long for twintania t5

but like i said, a different age that is

also might not be twintania but something in coil

[frank quiver]

Nah. It depends on how many hours you're putting in (per week), but if you're raiding Ult with a casual schedule, months for TEA or UCOB isn't too weird.

[slender lichen]

first savage pugged les go

[pure hawk]

When u dc in svg raid and get stuck in queue rip

[hasty ermine]

ngl i love the changes with the coffers for gear in the old content

[solemn slate]

Whats current rankings of dps?

[trim sage]

When a person clears P1S and there are no coffers, can he/she clear it again and get a coffer if 1 chest run?

[lyric summit]

no

[trim sage]

okay thank you!

[verbal oak]

Not quite enough data yet to make a consensus

[steep sedge]

https://youtu.be/p3byKFRnCUM :3 any optimizing suggestion?

[finite plank]

is this a meme i dont get

[quasi saffron]

i am using this for 2nd arrows. but where do i have to stand exactly with the long timer ? there should be safe corners right ?

[steep sedge]

@finite plank here is the meme XD

[quasi saffron]

just like exactly in the center of these circles ?

[quick verge]

im not sure what you're asking

[steep sedge]

as long as the aoe don't stack i think it's alright coz u have to back to corner again

and then shorter timer have aoe

[quasi saffron]

ok. tyvm!

[viscid gust]

basically, the final check is that as long as you're not in the path of the bumper cars and your aoe doesn't hit anyone's current position, you should be good

[finite plank]

are savage timelines out yet

[unique solar]

sorry if this has been posted somewhere, but does anyone know the stat priority for SAM melding?

[finite plank]

unsure

likely Crit > DH = DET

[quick verge]

sks until you reach 2.14/2.07/2.00 (w/ shifu) > crit > det=dh

[finite plank]

i forgot sam goes up to 2.15 without any sks

[chilly frost]

not rly mmo but compared to league diamond lvl play this here is like a piece of cake

[chilly frost]

also the pic is weird, why not take the arrows how they allight later, to topside goes
arrow(down) and arrow(right),
while to right side goes
arrow(top) and arrow(left)
, but ye for pf maybe top/down and right/left is easier in some way xD

[wintry ridge]

sam still doesnt bring utility does reaper?
[3:46 PM]
I see top top dps as monk and sam but overall (average top dps) among all others ob avg, is reaper monk sam

[slender lichen]

what is "limit cut" on p2s

[lyric summit]

the numbers mechanic with tethers

dash on squares, aoes on triangles

[drowsy agate]

i think any mechanic with numbers and shapes like that is called limit cut nowadays

there was one in diamond ex, of course there's the one in TEA, and now p2s

[pallid gorge]

p3s has one too

lots of TEA esque this tier

[cloud jetty]

where do I lfg on here?

[torn kindle]

#retired-na-datacenters

[grand mesa]

these spots are generally safe

Given you scoot yourself near the edge

well

[frank quiver]

Dunno if it belongs here or in #questions-and-help, but is there any job that uses the tome weapon as their BiS weapon?

[ember cosmos]

of you are talking about of all current possible options
probably not the P4 weapon has higher item level and that will, in most cases, be the deciding factor
tome weapon should be second BiS in most if not all cases, but its more easily attainable

[frank quiver]

Gotcha, tyty. BLM SpS build used the tome weapon last tier (but not this time), so I was wondering if there was an exception like that.

[ember cosmos]

in some cases there are exceptions like that
but they are in very specific cases like the one you just mentioned
i dunno about this tier and i honestly dont know much about BLM
my statics BLM said SPS build was barely ahead of a normal crit>det/dh build and far less flexible in how its played so SPS may be out of favor for now

[frank quiver]

Balance suggests they’re comparable. I tried the Crit build for TEA and hated it, so I hope SpS doesn’t fall out of grace.

[ember cosmos]

it may just be a stat weight issue
in higher tiers with higher stats on gear it may get better as you are able to stack more

and what you said about them being comparable matches what i was told, but that's at a very optimal level of play
my static member said that sps build was very inflexible with its rotation which basically means if you screw up even a little you are gonna feel it more compared to the other build
still i understand how you feel the long cast times on BLM do kinda suck lol and its annoying to deal with that and mechanics

[frank quiver]

Oh nah, it's not that. I just hated having my performance linked to crit rates. I love BLM for its steady damage output (versus burst phases on most jobs), so it'd suck having Crit BLM be meta.

[pallid gorge]

blm in particular but all jobs that involves sks and sps are all about spamming the same encounter for hours to learn the rhythm…

[ember cosmos]

i honestly wish sks/sps builds were more viable
i love big crits of course but i still think itd be really fin to play a high speed reaper lol

[frank quiver]

That said, I don't see how the SpS build would have that strict of a rotation. BLM's rotation itself is flexible, especially with Thundercloud being extended to 30s and the job gaining more instants for movement. I understand how it might be fixed for 99th percentile play, but it shouldn't be that punishing for anything below such level of optimization.

[pallid gorge]

bis sps sks arent bis cause they generally do more dmg (though they can).. they are bis cause they fit the fights.. that’s why there are multiple “builds”

[ember cosmos]

but thats kind of my issue with it
i kinda want mroe flexibility to play how i want to play without losing out to much on damage output
i get that certain builds are more optimal for certain fights but in most cases for most classes crit>det/dh beats sks builds by a decent enough margin to make it pretty sub ptimal
and by that i mean ones with a heavy focus on SKS
like if i went pure or almsot pure SKS>Crit or something like that

[ember cosmos]

well as i said im not a blm expert but it likely has to do with resource management and the like as well not just thundercloud
also im just repeating what i was told
my statics blm is more knowledgable than me if for no other reason than he mains the job but still feel free to take what i say with a grain of salt
im a terrible caster so i barely play them lol

[frank quiver]

Well, that's the point. Resource management is easier now because one of the resources (Thundercloud) has gotten an extended timer. Unless your static's BLM is talking wrt pink parses, BLM's rotation shouldn't feel that inflexible in the first place. You're obviously going to feel bad dropping something on BLM, but that's inherent to the job since it has low APM and relies on slow casts to deal damage.

I don't agree with your static's BLM on this. No need to hash it out here, though. Ty for responding to my initial question.

[drowsy agate]

yea sps blm generally is supposed to feel more comfortable and flexible than crit BLM

crit BLM does less DPS in a simulator but its theoretical ceiling is higher if you're lucky with crits

[final iron]

How rough is P3S for tanks or in general? Not sure if I should use PF or wait for my static

[verbal oak]

not sure myself but ive heard its pretty rough

fun rough tho

[stable basin]

p3s is a pretty tank heavy fight imo

proper mit, positioning, and tether grabbing is big

[weary bone]

It's enough that I've seen memes on the main sub about tanks pentamelding tenacity

[final iron]

Oh no, I main tank

[sinful brook]

For the most part in pf I've noticed a couple things happen

Me and the other tank not properly coordinating so I grab a tether and he grabs it off me/vice versa

Or adds phase memes

But I do agree with the tank respo heaviness sentiment

Fun fight though, just visibility problems

[torn kindle]

@craggy orchid #ALL SPOILERS ALLOWED - Patch 6.0 - Endwalker Lore

Why does that never link for me

#archived-lore-spoilers in the attached thread

[stuck thistle]

Does anyone know where does this mount drop? not sure if it in 1 of the new content so marked spoiler

[lyric summit]

83 extreme

[brave lynx]

Hi anyone have any advice on what materia i should be melding to my whm?

[empty wadi]

can someone share macros for P2S?

[crisp yacht]

Crit > DH/DET

[brave lynx]

yeah found a guide

https://etro.gg/gearset/39d3f51b-8960-4857-81bc-7b9eda6eda38

[stable basin]

Anyone looking to form a static for Savage content just a non pressure environment for a group to learn the new Savage fights in a more consistent way I already have 1 possibly 2 people who I can ask to join but I need others. Thank you for reading

[drowsy agate]

#494379215420915712

[drowsy agate]

does anyone use an addon to track whether your raid buffs hit everyone

someone suggested Oopsy Raidsy but i have no idea how to install it lol

[pearl flicker]

for p1s i see a lot of ppl mentioning timers but i dont get that like ive seen the pic but i just stand in the same spot whenever i prog i dont see the timer ppl are talking about and they seem to go off at the same time for fourfold however u spell it i dont get that part at all

[quasi saffron]

your debuff list

there should a timer poppin gup

[pearl flicker]

i always just see like purple or red or nothing

what does the timer mean tho do we stay in a specific spot depending on what the number is like the pic

i think im just not looking close enough

[pallid gorge]

ye the chain debuffs have timers on them

go to your specified spots based on your own timer

[stable basin]

Question, what’s the myta strat for p3s

[weary bone]

tfw healers have 2k and 3k dps

and you need them to have like 4k dps to beat enrage

[pallid gorge]

that’s when you realise everyone has to pitch in for mitigations. Healers adjust is adjusting to get enraged

[viscid gust]

they added all these extra ogcd mitigations to dps this expansion so I guess they expect them to be used 😄

[viscid gust]

this should show up on your debuff bar. It's Status Info (Enbeeblements) in HUD Layout and I have mine set to 200% so I can actually see lol

Then it turns into this when you're the "active" one

[pearl flicker]

So we match our timer w the timer pic ?

Yea I gotta set mine up too tysm for telling me the setting I probably have it on 0 or something LOL

[pastel cobalt]

The timers are like 3/8/13/18 or something like that. Lowest time goes to 1 if purple, A if red. Second lowest goes to 2 if purple, B if red, and so on

[slender lichen]

why is pf so bad with p3s

they cant even do darkened fire

[verbal oak]

Why is pf so bad

Riddle me this

[slender lichen]

true

[torpid ether]

thats not a riddle.. people are obviously fucking morons.. and they have access to making ff14 accounts

[trim sage]

what time does asphedolos reset?

[verbal oak]

with weekly reset

[steady pebble]

!weekly

[storm frost]

Tick, Tock, Kupo!

Time Until Weekly Reset:

**<t:1641888000:F>

4 hours, 41 minutes, 37 seconds**

[weary bone]

enrage 0.1%

ended up disbanding

I've been in enrage parties the last like 4-5 hours

my arm can't handle it anymore

[verbal oak]

p2s?

[weary bone]

yes

[verbal oak]

right there with ya

[weary bone]

man I wish time between last mech and enrage wasn't so short

[verbal oak]

spent 4 hours with my static after we almost cleared the night before

didnt clear that day 😦

[weary bone]

3 murky raidwides instead of 2 would open up so much space

[trim sage]

thank you!

[half basalt]

Hi all

Can i just check that after reset, if i want to create a pf for p2s, to just practice, will it lock me out of loot for p1s the moment i step unto 1?

My static raids on fri and weekends so it’s unbearably a long wait in between of twiddling my thumbs lol.

[slender lichen]

@half basalt it locks you out from all previous floors the moment you step into an advanced floor

of loot

just pug them if you dont want to wait

[half basalt]

Oh dam okay

Cus my static wants the 2 chest of loot. I’m a healer and won’t see loot for weeks…

[tacit hedge]

I’m not quite sure where to put this so I’ll put it here. Is there anyone willing to help with the trail “ memoria misera?”

[slender lichen]

use the recruitment channel or pf

[jade berry]

related to '14, something funny just hit me;

PSO2 NGS' launch trailer begins with a two-tailed blue songbird flying to a new land...

Post MSQ... isn't that a neat coincidence?

[grand mesa]

is this good damage for p2s

on jank budget set rn

[lyric summit]

upload it and check

[grand mesa]

Ah, forgot I could do that

I'm used to only checking logs for clears

[stable basin]

out of curiosity does endgame start at endwalker now? am noob just finished ARR and finally starting heavensward

[verbal oak]

ye

but it doesnt really matter

6.2 will pretty much put everyone back on the same playing field so if you wanna start a new tier fresh you have plenty of time

[hasty ermine]

Little question: Would you find it overpowered if square enix let us exchange Coffers of the certain raid? For example you get a bracelet Coffer but need a ring so you can go to your trader and swap the Bracelet coffer for a ring?

or to put it in highter Raid Tiers - P4s - You kill it already own the weapon get the weapon coffer again but you need the body Chest so the trader for Raid gear gives you the opportunity to exchange your weapon coffer for the Body Chest Coffer

[flat whale]

that’s kind of what the books are for though, just that SE decided that flexibility is worth multiple clears of a floor

[hasty ermine]

Also true -

Well got the Bracelet coffer a second time and i guess i use it for an alt job^^

[dusty dirge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/894943624775749682/930412919320088586/Screenshot_20220111-214308_Twitter.jpg?width=651&height=687

https://tenor.com/view/pathetic-nolan-grayson-omni-man-invincible-pity-gif-20908860

I cleared P2S with a pld

[verbal oak]

So why aren’t they playing PLD

[pearl flicker]

does anyone have the fourfold timer pic

[knotty vale]

@pearl flicker

[pearl flicker]

tyty

[slender lichen]

should i use the savage gear to get my ilvl up even if its not my bis

[quick verge]

if you're pugging yea

you aren't going to find many situations where even a "bad" 600 piece is worse than crafted gear

[sinful brook]

I600 is i600

[dull radish]

even in the small edge case where the i600 might be worse than lower ilvl, it'd likely be marginal at most, and would give more VIT

[bitter eagle]

not when the substats on the i600 is shit

[lyric summit]

but the mainstat is good

[shy hawk]

sam 590 tome weapon is way better than crafted/ex2 right?

2 more weapon damage

@sinful brook

[shy hawk]

ill give you an example

the 600 piece has absolutely shit stats

but i only lose 2-3 dps

[sinful brook]

the mainstats are still hella valuable

[shy hawk]

and i get piety/hp/mainstat

[sinful brook]

def/vit/mind are big prios when you're not bis

[shy hawk]

yeah

[sinful brook]

substats are smaller gains

not to say they're not worth it, but in a lot of cases the mainstat gains more than make up for it

because of ilvl difference

[shy hawk]

also two shitty pieces with higher ilevel already is enough vitality to make life or death

on many aoes

[finite plank]

we can get 590 tome weapon?

[torn kindle]

If you do savage, yes

[finite plank]

i thought it's locked to 600

because i dont know where the 590 option is

i see the 600 option but i have to wait another week for it

[torn kindle]

Should be a weapon category in the tomestone vendor

[finite plank]

oh

wait

that's 600

[dull radish]

no

it's 590

when it's 600 it has augmented in the name

[torn kindle]

!item Radiant’s Blade

[storm frost]

**Radiant's Blade** **:** Samurai's Arm : ilvl 590 [Unique] [Untradeable]

None

Damage

117

Magic Damage

59

Strength

280

Vitality

290

Direct Hit Rate

260

Critical Hit

182

Materia Slots

※ Materia Slots: 2
※ Advanced Meldable: No

Item Features

※ Required Level: 90
※ Repaired By: Blacksmith
※ Repair Material: Grade 8 Dark Matter
※ Dyable: No
※ Desynthesis: Yes

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[finite plank]

i see

fuck

[quasi saffron]

can i check if my dps is average or below ?

or better than average. idk

for a specific raid too

[drowsy agate]

with fflogs yes

do you have a log to look at?

[slender lichen]

is the dps check in p2s really that tight or am i just in weak parties

[drowsy agate]

it's only a little bit more demanding than p1s

problem is the mechanics are a bit less forgiving, so people dying hurts that a bit

[slender lichen]

like half the pugs ive joined could only hit 43% health when a clear requires at 40% or less

at that point

[covert ledge]

you're in primal right?

people in primal pf cant hit buttons for shit in savage pf lately it seems

[covert ledge]

we also cant say this without seeing your log

[slender lichen]

yeah i still havent gotten a clear for p2s and ive been trying for like 3 hours

either bc of not enough dps or people cant do mechs

and these are clear parties

[frank quiver]

P2S DPS check is lenient, imo. Our group cleared with 5 deaths.

[slender lichen]

i should probably get act so i can see how im doing

also idk if its my controller or what but ever since EW dropped ive been clipping gcds because i'll press a skill and it just wont activate

[drowsy agate]

"clear" parties

[covert ledge]

sounds like 3s, was in over 10+ this weekend and they cant do mechanics or cant meet the check (im a healer so i have to heal the stupid when they dont do mechs)

cant imagine trying to clear 4s on pf tbh this early

[slender lichen]

im gunning for all of them in pf

though ive gotten stuck for hours on darkened fire because people in pf just cant line up numbers apparently

[covert ledge]

4 will be easier in a few weeks cuz people will have more gear

but rn its probably a crapshoot, 3 certainly is

[slender lichen]

ppl got the mmo brain

[weary bone]

finally cleared P2S

and uh

I got a

5% parse for MCHs

[viscid gust]

There's a few different lightwaves; the basic gist is that you don't want to get hit by them and you want to line-of-sight any crystals that get hit by them. The actual strats are just ways to solve the different patterns efficiently, etc.

[viscid gust]

did you die at any point? death really um cough kills your parse

[weary bone]

yeah our DRG gave me a hug during our last Flow

only two deaths in that run

[slender lichen]

bro i purple parsed p1s on war when i fucked up my rotation

how

[weary bone]

maybe check if it's still purple

[slender lichen]

does it auto update or something

its still purple

[finite plank]

probably a week1/week2 low bar thing

i fucked up on nin a bit and it's still high-ish

[stable basin]

early weeks are wild

[quick verge]

this pld job is also wild

[finite plank]

the dmg gap

just to be slightly even to the gnb

then again, im a nin and are behind mnks and reapers so

eh

[stable basin]

felt bad getting 2 dmg downs and being 250 dps above aku going into p3s adds today

[quick verge]

think my pld is gonna disappear one of days

i just hear depression when he looks at his parser

[vernal breach]

Im praying for the next patch already

[neon tide]

Any SMN’s know whether it’s better to swiftcast ruby rite or is it better to swiftcast slipstream?

[iron summit]

is emet-selch fire proof

[verbal oak]

if you can get slipstream in buffs its better to do that

[finite plank]

i'd go with swift cast slipstream since it's 3 seconds instead of 2.8

[verbal oak]

otherwise ruby rite is a good fallback

[verbal oak]

in general yeah but mages dont follow his rules so its gucchi

[viscid gust]

Are you talking about the 5 crystal one? That one by the time the boss does the cleave, you should be able to see which of the two is closer

[grand mesa]

Designating a specific spot for party stack in 2nd coherence just makes everything so much easier

Christ

No more people running like headless chickens

[frosty meteor]

You could say I'm a tank main

XD

[verbal oak]

where mnk

[frosty meteor]

no comment

[viscid gust]

is that the one after the spread aoe thing? I think in the groups I've done it with we converge on the marker we were heading towards initially for the baited aoes, so like bait 3 sets of aoes from marker A to B, then spread, then converge back on B

[slender lichen]

ppl really out here blacklisting pugs??

[drowsy agate]

hell yeah there are

blacklisting happens a lot for pugs

it helps people avoid joining parties with that pug

[grand mesa]

Yeah

Easier for pf to just move to one point though

Technically less uptime for casters but but, it's better than everyone running like headless chickens after spread

[slender lichen]

seems like people are just using it liberally

i dont even know what i did but apparently some guy has me blacklisted

[drowsy agate]

some people are touchy

lmao

one of my friends blacklisted a bard because the bard was late on their raid buffs every pull

[slender lichen]

why is p3s so bad for pugs

its like every pug i join either goes for an hour but cant make progress or they disband after like 10 mins

[brave lynx]

hey anyone know what elmo strat is for the tornadoes in p3 savage?

been seeing it mentioned but i can't find anything

[slender lichen]

i always see people put ABCD in the corners but i never know what its for

[stray badger]

i should start doing that lol

[covert ledge]

orientation

[slender lichen]

orientation of what

[quick verge]

north

[slender lichen]

but the numbers are already on cardinals

[quick verge]

northwest

[weary bone]

Seems to be a uh
Pretty complicated fight

P1-2S were bad enough in PF and those fights are relatively straightforward

[slender lichen]

i mean the way ilya's group did it with all markers on clock positions seems simple enough to me but it's pf so whatever

[stable basin]

p3 is really fast+punishing and I imagine in pugs the dps check actually exists as well

[covert ledge]

yup

half the parties in "clear parties" dont meet the check

the other half cant do mechanics

[torn kindle]

Combine them together and get an even worse party

[slender lichen]

guess ill actually have to wait for my static to catch up to p3

[covert ledge]

p3s pf experience in primal yea

[pallid gorge]

3s is big jump in difficulty. Your positioning and reaction suddenly have to be much more precise and faster than 1s and 2s. Big, big mitigation check and healing check for non AST healers too

also downtime fcks up lots of rotations so the not that bad dps check becomes weird

[slender lichen]

positioning and reaction time arent an issue for me but thankfully i dont play dps

[ember cosmos]

sounds like im going to LOVE p3s when i get there
i play melee cus i hate myself

[slender lichen]

ive also seen people die to the fuckin

left/right cleaves that are in the cast bar name

[ember cosmos]

lmfao

[dull radish]

a part of that is probably ending up in front of the boss as non-tank

can be a bit disorienting until you get used to it

since it's reverse what you're used to every other time

[slender lichen]

im usually MT on it and i just turn my camera around so it lines up with the boss at that point

[pallid gorge]

each role has their own positioning jank for 3s. Tanks have tether and adds. Healers have the FoF towers. DPS has .. everything. And all are usually fck by “spread”

seriously get an AST for this stage .. they trivialise 2 bs mechs so you have 2 less things to worry bout

[wild ether]

I'm stuck in p3 hell for 3days now

[viscid gust]

so if I ever clear p2s in PF, it's literally out of the frying pan and into the fire?

[sinful brook]

i mean its not a fryingpan

more like a toilet

[quick verge]

cali?

[quasi saffron]

what do i do with discal tomestones from savage 2 ?

[verbal oak]

exchange it and 500 tomes for a 590 weapon

[quasi saffron]

500 tomes

[sinful brook]

its pretty worth if you don't plan on clearing soon/valuable for reclears until you get 605 weapon

compared to before it only takes like 2 weeks to get one

rather than 3

[quasi saffron]

i need 500 clears right ?

[verbal oak]

no?

[quasi saffron]

500 tomes/books

[verbal oak]

tomes of astronomy

[quasi saffron]

ohhh

ok lol

[sinful brook]

lmao

ofc not coudl you imagine

[steady pebble]

500 clear lmao

SE ain't that heartless

[quasi saffron]

[sinful brook]

shittier weapon than 4th floor weapon locked behind 500 clears

[verbal oak]

last expac they were 1000 tomes and no one used them lmao

[quasi saffron]

you got me there for a moment

😄

[verbal oak]

WoW gameplay right here

[quasi saffron]

what a relief to beat the 2nd circle. i believe the 3rd circle will be easy

[waxen patrol]

New to endgame, whats the deal with partyfinder, do people put it up advertising looking for certain jobs/already know strat

Then you just go at it until you maybe clear it or rage quit?

[lilac cipher]

practice = progging, duty completion = stay there until clear, duty complete = need to clear before joining

this accuracy depends on the community honesty

[waxen patrol]

Ah cool

Once the oce servers are up I might try to get into endgame stuff more and find a static but it's too hard with time zones right now

[mint falcon]

Just out of curiosity, for ex trial 2, does the party by df default move clockwise or counterclockwise?

Or is it dps hive mind selects and everyone else adjusts accordingly?

[drowsy agate]

clockwise is the assumed default for most mechanics unless stated otherwise

[mint falcon]

Ah, ok. Thanks

[quasi saffron]

without spoiling anything how would you rate the EW savage raids ? 1...easy, 5...very hard. 1-5 would mean first circle is very hard

[drowsy agate]

I mean

[quasi saffron]

for me the 1st half of the first circle was harder than the 1st half of the 2nd one

[drowsy agate]

it's designed to be first floor easy, 2nd floor slightly harder, 3rd floor hard, and 4th floor harder

[quasi saffron]

but 2nd half of 2nd circle was definitely harder. for me

[verbal oak]

then its only gonna ramp up from there

[quasi saffron]

i heard the 3rd circle is a "wall" for many players. difficultly ramps up there heavily

[verbal oak]

ye

[quasi saffron]

interesting

i mean, i only play with pf, so i am not expecting miracles

[verbal oak]

if it helps ya, people who have cleared the most tend to play on tuesday around reset

so you might be able to get a better group then

but pf is pf, and something i really dislike tbh

[quasi saffron]

i don't want to join their groups yet. only if i have all the mechanics down and comfortable with them

[quasi saffron]

yeah i understand that

i just like to play the game and if it is not the most efficient way it is ok for me

[verbal oak]

fair

my static is less hardcore so its good for me

but finding a good group of homies like that is hard af

[quasi saffron]

the only thing i kinda don't like is when someone joins a kill group and doesn't know how to play the first mechanics

most of the time i am still not saying anything

it's just, the mindset and behaviour is what irritates me in that situation

[daring dome]

you should

[quasi saffron]

very true

[daring dome]

thats how you get clears faster

[quasi saffron]

but again i am not angry at these players

[daring dome]

telling someone to leave a group has nothing to do with anger, its just business as usual

[quasi saffron]

i know. and you are right

i say something like "this is kill group and not practise first arrows" or something but even that does already sounds toxic for me but sometimes i can't help myself and i have to say it

[daring dome]

thats not really toxic

toxic would be cussing people out for it

[quasi saffron]

i even try and put a "o/" behind it to make it look "friendlier"

[daring dome]

its ok to have certain standards in your groups sometimes

[quasi saffron]

true.

[daring dome]

theres enough practice parties in pf for people willing to practice mechs

theyll find a group

[quasi saffron]

yes. i personally find it also unpolite to join a kill group when someone knows that they fail the first mechanics pretty often.

but thinking and saying is not always the same

[daring dome]

its also very impolite to waste 7 peoples time

[quasi saffron]

so i am kinda happy that there are other players in the groups who do that for me 😄

[daring dome]

more impolite if anything

[quasi saffron]

yes! 100%

[fallen zealot]

Hey how many times a week can you get the 'Unsung Blade of Asphodelos'?

[drowsy agate]

once

it's either 7 weeks of clearing p4n or winning the tome from p2s

[fallen zealot]

Thank you

[arctic lake]

is the recomended gear

always bis?

[torn kindle]

No

[stiff hull]

well...now that i have finished all the MSQs, i don't know what to do.

back when i finished things up to the end of 5.5 in ShB, there at least i had one additional goal: gear up as much as i can in preparation for EW, but nothing of the kind now

[verbal oak]

you've done the new raid story right?

[stiff hull]

my ilvl is too low for pandemonium