endgame-lounge

[subtle bone]

and w/e burst u have there sucks

[versed vapor]

Ahhh it dies like during wind cast

At worst after wind cast

[subtle bone]

if u have super slow kill time seeing double whirlwind + enrage i think that rotation is best

using fbt early

[versed vapor]

Just 1 wind

[subtle bone]

yea prob not then

cause its usually overkill at that point

[versed vapor]

Ahh so i shouldnt delay phoenix in that case?

[subtle bone]

i prefer to delay it but up to you i think, you'll have same result but the fillers during enum is different

[versed vapor]

Yeah

I lose like

A few gcds during water movement

So having phoenix there will benefit

However I'll lose FBT at the end

Meaning I'll need to use FBT in P3?

[subtle bone]

yea you would open with pot+ fbt

instead of bahamut

[versed vapor]

So everything is just a LIIITTLE shifted

Is it a problem to start P4 with FBT then?

[subtle bone]

iirc if you open with fbt in p3 you lose a demi summon

[versed vapor]

I think so too yeah

[subtle bone]

cause u dont get to precast the dwt during wormhole or some shit

...

-_-

[versed vapor]

Ig i should just say fucc it

And lose devotion in p2

Since it'll only make the killtime faster than it already is

I'll just lose gcd's during water 2 movement

Ill try and experiemnt ahaha

Tysm mada

:D

[subtle bone]

why would u lose devotion

[versed vapor]

Oh p1 too fast

[subtle bone]

when do u use it

[versed vapor]

4th gcd

Like the opener in akhmorn

Ig i could just shift it to 3rd no?

[subtle bone]

it says to use on 3rd

yea should use dwt and devotion on 3rd gcd

[versed vapor]

Oh nonono

Mb yes i use it on 3rd

Killtime too fast

I lose deathflare

[subtle bone]

when i lose deathflare at the end

[versed vapor]

Sometimes i even lose an R4 and i end the phase with 3 charges

[subtle bone]

i still dwt anyway

[versed vapor]

Oh ye i do too

But devt doesnt come up in time

For P2

Bc its too fast

[subtle bone]

cool then u can devotion after nisi

while people are moving to water/lightning 1

[versed vapor]

So hold phoenix a little bit

OhHHH

[subtle bone]

yea you will fbt right after that

[versed vapor]

Not hold phoenix

But change timing

Oh so hold phoenix (soz got a lil confused)

Yeah i only will need to hold it for like

At the worst 2 gcds

Before FBT

[subtle bone]

at worst 3 gcd

[versed vapor]

So should be fine

Righto

[subtle bone]

then after like 2 gcd u will fbt

itll be comfy

[versed vapor]

So no loss then

U right!

Ok i'll try it later :D

Thanks mada wah

[subtle bone]

lol np !

[versed vapor]

Old static hsd slow kills for everything

So faster one confused me so much ahaha

[subtle bone]

yea i just follow the guidelines on the kill time stuff and use whichever rotation fits

it changes sometimes through prog too

when suddenly your group wants to skip the end of p2

or wait in p1 vs killing it fast

[nova socket]

skip dolls

skip super jump

[subtle bone]

ya foreal that is def the meta now lol

has there been a clear with skipping dolls ?

[quick verge]

don’t think so ?

I’d imagine doll skip would be automatic rank 1/2 speed

[subtle bone]

yea just checked

not yet

[mental swan]

Anyone got the full requirements for spawning the skirmish "Help Wanted" in bozja? As in, everything known? Stuff like timer, if other skirmishes need to be be done first, if farming zone 3 skirmishes help, etc

Getting worn out of all the conflicting info 😦

[torn kindle]

Nothing special from what I can tell. Just do other skirmishes in the zone and be active.

Maybe kill 4th legion mechs too

[mental swan]

Sleep is getting to me lol, I believe I meant For Absent Friends

The one that leads to Sartauvoir's duel

[quick verge]

kill magitek, and finish skirmishes that lead to CEs

[mental swan]

Any idea on how long the reset timer is? 60min, or 90?

[quick verge]

60 once duel pops

[mental swan]

Thanks a ton

[undone hill]

Pardon me for asking (figured it might be better here xD) but when does the Benchmark drop tomorrow? Is it going to be midnight tonight, or sometime in the morning?

I'd love to know so I don't lose sleep.

[torn kindle]

@undone hill

[undone hill]

Perfect! Sorry for the dumb question, didn't really know.

[frank quiver]

Does anyone have a list of TEA Living Liquid strats? I've seen a few (in videos or guides), but I'm wondering if there's a compilation of what people have used.

[quick verge]

nop

those shits are scattered everywhere

[mortal stone]

Not anymore

https://ultimateuncoiled.com/tea/

@frank quiver

[frank quiver]

Hoho. Thanks!

[normal blade]

Realized I should probably move over to the questions channel. Sorry!)

[sonic echo]

I just realized how long bozja armor grind, how much time do you really need for augment the first set and then you need another set of items and extra items from the savage, it's just too much for me

[young wharf]

Yeah I came to the same realization today tbh lol

[torn kindle]

yeah augmented law's order is pretty overkill

[oak barn]

Are Dragoons meta for high end end game? I'm a wow refugee that's a mythic raider and looking to make the switch to FF. Looking for that first job to pursue.

[verbal oak]

!faq meta

[storm frost]

How FFXIV's Meta Works

All jobs are good and viable in all content. The difference between meta and non-meta is minor, to the point that player skill is a significantly more important factor. Play what you enjoy/what interests you most, and you can make it work.

[verbal oak]

Play whatever you want and you’ll get picked up no problem

[oak barn]

Oh so FF is a bring the player not the class style? Love to hear it.

[verbal oak]

Yep, being good at a class far outweighs the meta

[idle citrus]

If you follow the logs, Dragoons arent often in the top parties

[sinful brook]

that doesn't matter for 99% of players

it doesn't prevent a dragoon from clearing content

[sinful brook]

suggesting that logs should dictate whether someone should play the job in this game

is just silly

[torn kindle]

The class-related stuff static groups avoid is mainly just duplicate classes

Since identical buffs don’t stack and Limit Break generation is slower

[errant sinew]

Is rdm or blm better in Dalriada?

[quick verge]

who cares

pick one

[finite plank]

can you do either rotation?

[stable basin]

speedrunners are basically playing a different game than you

there's nothing left in the expac (early savage/ulti prog) where comp matters

and EW will shake up balance

So just play whatever unless you're in a legit speedrun group where I don't have to tell you that you're an exception

[desert orbit]

Can't find the right channel, how the fuck do I get to east flamerock? or the eurke place or whatever the fuck it's called, can't find a site that tells me anythign about it

Except that it just doesn't exist appearantly

[hexed badger]

who will main which

[verbal oak]

[idle citrus]

imma pick up so i can so-heal with my wife

[upper vapor]

is there discord groups dedicated to practicing savage content outside of the party finder

[drowsy agate]

yes

generally called a "static"

[frank quiver]

This server has a recruitment channel, but if you’re looking for a server dedicated to recruitment: https://discordapp.com/invite/mMVbkZx

[misty zephyr]

Imma pick reaper so I can continue being edgy

[brave crow]

is this better than edenmorn weap?

[quick verge]

yea

completed relic wps beat out raid weapons

[brave crow]

so this relic is bis for all jobs?

[quick verge]

yea

[brave crow]

alright thx

[modern dome]

How do you get relic weapon for shadow bringer

[quick verge]

https://www.akhmorning.com/resources/bozjan-southern-front/relic-weapons/

follow that

[misty zephyr]

So I finally did all of the Shadowbringers EX trials. Here's my ranking list from hardest to easiest

Warrior of Light
Emerald Weapon
Diamond Weapon
Ruby Weapon
Hades
Innocence
Varis
Titania

What do y'all think? Agree or nah

[torn kindle]

Assuming this is judged when they were current content, I agree for the most part. Maybe shove Ruby a rank or two lower since it feels pretty braindead outside of the nael adds

if this is with current ilvl then WoL is definitely not the hardest since good DPS skips whole mini-phases now

[errant sinew]

I'd put Varis higher and Innocence lower

[torn kindle]

I think good groups don't even see Quintuplecast anymore

[misty zephyr]

Yeah current ilvl. I did all these in the last month or so.

I saw quintuplecast lol. Maybe it was the teams I was on, but yeah WoL kicked my ass 6 ways from Sunday.

[errant sinew]

There are just so many mechanics to remember on WoL

and randomized

[misty zephyr]

To me, the Nael adds were the easiest part. Part 1 ruby is tougher than part 2, imo.

Yeah, WoL randomness really got to me

[errant sinew]

and the forced use of knockback resistance for the pug strategy

[sinful brook]

i would have put hades a bit higher too when it was on content

because it was so lengthy

emerald and diamond weren't even that bad tbh

[wheat marsh]

Eh, emerald took a while for people to figure out tertius

if that's on the non-cleared side of PF on aether, aside from innocence not on the bottom, i'd maybe put WoL in the middle about equal to hades

aether non-cleared PF cannot do weapons XD

[sinful brook]

even cleared but at the time of release they weren't that bad

[misty zephyr]

The only hard thing about Diamond is its punishes. If you mess up a mechanic, you get hit hard af. But other than that, it was surprisingly easy.

Aether? What's up with Aether? Does it have like a certain reputation?

[vernal breach]

i guess its the DC with highest number of servers known for competent raiding, whether that can be felt on an individual level is up fro debate

crystal DC.. it scares me tho

[surreal oasis]

I think diamond is harder than emerald, and Innocence is by far the easiest

[stable basin]

Aether is toxic

[surreal oasis]

Finding a toxic but competent FC sounds amazing

Pretty bored of casual FCs that don’t do anything

[humble bridge]

my god E7N is no joke LMAO

[bronze radish]

Hello all,

I came from WoW... I've been playing a ninja and paladin. I'm mostly leaning towards paladin since tanking is fun playing the class and they seem sorta broken since I can easily mass pull 2-3 groups in dungeons and help heal myself up quite easily. And heal the heal/dps while tanking

I was wondering how paladin plays endgame? Are they mostly MT or OT?

[fast sparrow]

Mainly played as OT

[verbal oak]

mainly OT due to how they played before ShB as well as they need uptime slightly less bc of the magic phase

but you can MT as PLD no problem

[nova socket]

just fyi pulling wall to wall is standard with any tank

[warped pumice]

Can someone tell me what BR stands for in terms of E9S?

[dull radish]

BR = boss relative. Instead of everything being done relative to where actual (true) north is on the arena, if the boss is turned in a different direction, you treat the front of the boss as "north" and do positions based off of it.

For E9S that can come into play for like, art of darkness stack/spread positions. If you have S position for spread and the boss is facing W, you go directly behind her (E) instead of where true north positioning would have you stand (S)

[warped pumice]

Thx

[mortal stone]

I like this extreme ranking game. Let me do one

Though I didn’t do all of them on content

Emerald
Diamond
WoL
Hades
Ruby
Titania
Varis
Innocence

[drowsy agate]

funny because e7n is harder than e7s sometimes

you can braindead almost all of e7s

but e7n you're praying that the randoms know what to do

[misty zephyr]

Seems people agree that Innocence is the easiest trial.

What about Hades was so hard?

[nova socket]

hades isn't hard per se

[sinful brook]

it was long

[nova socket]

its just that every weapon is piss fucking easy

[sinful brook]

that too

to be fair though people goofed universal manipulation a lot for no reason too

[nova socket]

hades has a decent amount of positioning

its an okay extreme trial

every weapon is just dogshite

[drowsy agate]

i recall some people saying hades ex was actually harder than e1s during current ilevels

but these days you can skip a bunch of mechanics in hades

[quick verge]

I’ve seen some pillows harder than e1s

[drowsy agate]

e1s mega joke

[quick verge]

hades could be seen as slightly easier than e3s I guess? when current

[stable basin]

My static cleared e1s in 4 pulls

[quick verge]

first second savage without an enrage

:)

[drowsy agate]

mechanically the hardest EX was SoS EX imo

not necessarily the "hardest" but has the most complicated mechanics

actual hardest is probably emerald, not because the mechanics are hard, but because I fuckin swear people in DF can't ever get the sword explosions right

[nova socket]

SoS is top 3 trial overall I think

[torn kindle]

Yee

[humble bridge]

My god.... I don't believe anything can top ShB.
That killer of a story AND Nier Automata crossover?

Pinnacle of excellence

[versed finch]

Rank and File is what fucks me over.

[verbal oak]

still don't know swords pepehands

rank and file i got pretty fast tho

[drowsy agate]

almost everyone I know who has played both StB and ShB considers stormblood's savage scene to be better

FWIW

but yeah ShB's..well, everything else is pretty fantastic

[frank quiver]

Maybe EW's savage scene will top it all..?

[drowsy agate]

rank and file is fkin easy yo

[quick verge]

don’t add shiva in any capacity and it’s at least a 6/10

[drowsy agate]

you only have to make like 3 movements and there isn't even a boss to hit while you're doing it

small movements

[versed finch]

Lotta shit going on for me.

Everything else, fine. RoF? WAY too much to eyeball in way too little time.

[verbal oak]

do you guys think next tier should be like e1s-e4s in diffculty, or e5-e8s? what with all the new players

[stable basin]

probably e1-4 because it’s the first tier of new expansion

all the job changes and so

[nova socket]

think first tier has historically been the easiest outside of a3s memes

[verbal oak]

ah ok

[stable basin]

i like 5-8

i wasnt arond for 1-4 but i like 5-8 more than 9-12

[normal glacier]

So I have to ask

Which endgame fight gave you the biggest case of CBT (Can't Beat This syndrome) in Shadowbringers?

[quick verge]

none

[drowsy agate]

none

[verbal oak]

e8s was annoying but otherwise none

[drowsy agate]

that "syndrome" you describe only occurs if you aren't skilled enough imo

not once have I tossed myself at a raid and felt like I'll never beat it

not even right now in TEA prog

[nova socket]

wish gaia gave me cbt

[low plover]

Any SCH mains around? Looking into diving into it as my first healer class and wondering how it plays end game

[leaden vapor]

Lot of planning as SCH

Knowing the fight def helps optimize SCH much more

[low plover]

Ah okay - I know there isn't a true meta but how does it compare to WHM/SCH?

[drowsy agate]

if you're talking end game optimization

whm unga bunga really hard

80% of your casts are glare

whm mobility is the lowest of all the healers

sch has ruin 2 for on-demand movement whenever they want

at the cost of some DPS that usually gets offset by combining ruin 2 with energy drain

everyone loves chain strat too

and people especially love SCH on e10s this tier because they can enable the raid to completely ignore a mechanic

also if you die you have to resummon your fairy

[nova socket]

The uptime dps loss strat

[normal glacier]

So which of the melee dps would you consider the be the most fun in endgame content?

[nova socket]

[drowsy agate]

fun is subjective but you're gonna hear ninjas complain about TCJ a lot

[normal glacier]

I heard Sam and DRG are fun, Ninja is fun but not as efficient, and monk is meh

[drowsy agate]

[normal glacier]

But that may be outdated info

[quick verge]

all the melees are fine

[crisp yacht]

The most fun is just whichever you enjoy the most tbh

[drowsy agate]

sams are sweaty as fuck and no one's gonna bat an eye at a sam that dies from greed

[quick verge]

samurai is an unfair job

[drowsy agate]

dragoon has a one track brain

do 1 combo then do the other

repeat until either you or the boss dies

[low plover]

Can confirm, am DRG lol

Friend of mine was gonna level MNK so I was looking into a job to level with him, so far its down to PLD/BRD/SCH

[nova socket]

ninja not efficient

[low plover]

I dont have a healer class yet though

[nova socket]

[drowsy agate]

if you drift on ninja

you're gonna cry

because rip trick alignment

[quick verge]

good thing you need to be asleep for that to happen

hit the button on cd every minute

[trail dagger]

what is the current end game? i just hit level 80 and completed shadowbringer 5.0 do i just keep doing the msq?

[verbal oak]

yep

current eden raids unlock after 5.3 MSQ

bozjan southern front unlocks after 5.1 msq, as well as weapons trials

you can do nier raids now tho

[trail dagger]

ohhh how do i unlock neir raids?

im excited those look fun

[verbal oak]

think their in kholsia

top right of the map

[trail dagger]

thank you

[serene lotus]

Do the quest "Word about Komra" first

It's in Tomra

[trail dagger]

will do

[vernal breach]

any tips for centering the boss in umbra savage after antiair/wide angle, i feel like im standing ina real awkward place and the brambles on the ground are stopping me from putting myself wherei wanna be to drag the coss to the middle agah

[sinful brook]

what strat is your group using? i assume pf is still using happy though

[vernal breach]

uuh we split into 2 groups left and right of the big girthy beam

and once that stuffs over i dance with the cloud of darkenss til shes i nthe middle

lol

[sinful brook]

no i'm asking about your bramble strat

[vernal breach]

oh the brambles, oh iunno, they're just placed in 2s around the corners of the square o nthe ground

[sinful brook]

ah so happy brambles it is

[vernal breach]

nice name

[sinful brook]

its named that but mrhappy was only in part helping to create this

so for anti air, are you allowed to do teh uptime strat?

[vernal breach]

i dont think so, or atleast no ones ever brought it up

[sinful brook]

so for anti-air i assume this means you and the other tank are out on the edge of the arena away from your team to eat the big tankbusters, then you dash in before wide angle?

[vernal breach]

yup

[sinful brook]

sorta like this

1 is when you go out to the side for when the boss leaves the center of the arena

2 is when you dash in after the buster/light party stacks

3 is when you drag it back after wide-angle giant cone laser

[vernal breach]

hmm

that looks simple enough 🤔

i guess im just too slow and the boss moves like..

like moves tot he side

lol

where i was. er am

[sinful brook]

yeah this the fuck tanks strat for anti-air

and this is how i personally approach wide-angle, not saying its the best method, its just what i found to work with the pf brambles method. 1 - go to the edge boss goes to dodge the wide-angle beam. 2- move diagonally back towards the center to not cleave my light party with the line TB. 3- time my gcd as i go out for the pbaoe, then dash back in as it snapshots to continue my rotation without losing uptime

[sinful brook]

in terms of being too slow you should try and play around with understanding the timing of when the damage snapshots. you can dash a bit earlier than you think

[vernal breach]

got that girth laser beam hit box is deceptive large and now the snap shot is deceptively short too? lol

[sinful brook]

well wide angle isn't any larger than its normal mode counterpart

[vernal breach]

well its deceptively large in normal too

:l

[sinful brook]

its just typically in 9n the boss isn't at the side of the arena so you don't get to see how it extends

[errant sinew]

does gear affect Dalriada?

[torn kindle]

Only if it has the haste attribute

[quick verge]

and if you have stuff equipped

in general

[torn kindle]

Which comes from Augmented Bozjan, Augmented Law’s Order, and the Bozjan earring

[grim imp]

Hey guys, someone up for cluster farming? I'm trying to form a party but I'm having bad luck

[surreal oasis]

any crystal hardcore FC's?

im swapping from PRIMAL and need a fc havent selected a server yet

[verbal oak]

#603040765723148289

[surreal oasis]

yah ive looked there

everything is casual or RP

[verbal oak]

!faq communityfinder

[surreal oasis]

been watching there for a week and have asked in there

[storm frost]

FFXIV Community Finder

Use the official Community Finder to find Free Companies, Linkshells, and PvP Teams!

Click here to visit the Community Finder

[surreal oasis]

what dis

[verbal oak]

its a way to find FC's and linkshells

added it last october

[surreal oasis]

interesting TY

[drowsy agate]

anyone wanna take a look at our TEA logs

we're getting kinda stuck on proteans 2 despite being limit cut prog

[quick verge]

post em

[drowsy agate]

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/3NPHMqAfvWzgTpCk/#fight=7.17.18.20.22.32.37.39.49&type=damage-done

[quick verge]

and any vods if possible

[drowsy agate]

out of 47 wipes tonight we had 9 pulls where we lived longer than 2:10

i pruned down those 9 pulls in that link

our AST has been streaming but I haven't gone to prune down our pulls

during proteans 2 we're pushing everyone's DPS onto living liquid to try and phase it

and a lot of wipes have been like sub-2% before the hand of parting kills us

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1085893126

here's our entire raid tonight but this hasn't been pruned

[quick verge]

your ast and smn don’t do damage

[drowsy agate]

hmm

this probably explains that

you think our ast's healing too much and whm not healing enough?

i hear smn's really broken on p1

our smn is generally pretty good so idk what he's doing different that puts his damage so low

[quick verge]

feel like whm should be healing a lot more

I looked at one pull and they had no single target heals

[drowsy agate]

i don't play smn well enough to know the intricacies of how they play in TEA

i was suspecting that tbh

our whm parses really high on savage, like 99s a lot

but i thought that might be because ast is super overcompensating on all the healing

so you think our whm and smn are pain points?

[quick verge]

smn for sure

[drowsy agate]

i might post this to the smn/whm channel in balance

[quick verge]

whm missing casts of things like benison

[stable basin]

the best smn does like 19k dps in p1

[quick verge]

4 in 9 pulls

8 tetra in 9 pulls

they also have a mouth, so they can just say something if they think the ast is doing too much

[drowsy agate]

i think it's kinda the opposite

whm tunnel visions dps a lot and I think the ast encourages it

and that works fine for savage

but it feels like that's not gonna cut it in ultimate

[quick verge]

it works but it’s far from efficient

to just leave your other healer to spam bene 2

[wheat marsh]

how essential is it to have all 8 clones for voidgate amplified in e10s?

[drowsy agate]

you mean during vg2?

[stable basin]

yeah your whm is definetly sus looking at high combined damage logs

[drowsy agate]

leaving any puddle on the floor unfilled is a raidwide damage down

your raid team can survive one instance of eating all the damage downs

but they can't survive 2

and by "survive" i mean you're about to kick it into emergency mode because people take a lot of damage from failing that mechanic

also raidwide damage down is rough

[quick verge]

yea I looked through some whm/ast logs in tea

not even necessarily top, and whms end up healing more

[wheat marsh]

well i seem to either be dead when it's time to drop puddles or die after puddles are dropped so i'm holding people back i assume

[drowsy agate]

if you are dying there at all then you're either failing a mechanic or you aren't receiving enough healing

[quick verge]

not even needing to spam heals, just efficient usage of stuff in conjunction with a decent miti plan

[wheat marsh]

im failing dodging the rotating aoes most

[stable basin]

yeah instead of just offloading everything to the ast

[drowsy agate]

if you have to, stop DPS and just do the mechanic siobhan

this late into the raid tier, a clear is a clear

fuck your parse

[wheat marsh]

thats the thing even doing so i just have a hard time following

[drowsy agate]

the way I personally remember is I look for whether the left or right side is the safe side first

[quick verge]

and just have your smn copy what other smns do or ask questions in the balance or something

doing similar damage to the dnc is griefing

[drowsy agate]

and then I stay near the middle of the map to dodge quicker

[quick verge]

seeing splash 2 doubly so

[drowsy agate]

yeah i remember y'all were talking about it being easy to skip splash 2

and i'm like

well I'm doing literally everything I can as BLM and we're barely pushing it

[quick verge]

yea

[wheat marsh]

XD i still struggle in e10n idk something about it i just cant react fast enough

[drowsy agate]

e10n is pretty shit for practicing the left-right dodges during vg2 siobhan

i guess another question is

with 10% echo and people having 520 really easily now

you guys should be skipping vg2

so where are you guys messing up earlier that's causing you to lose so much damage that you have to do all of vg2?

[wheat marsh]

im not in a static

so its almost anything

[quick verge]

it should be easily observed regardless

by eye, logs, whatever

ppl just taking downtime when unnecessary

deaths, damage downs

not pressing things ever

[wheat marsh]

probably a mix of all

of all the runs that go 7+ mins there's about 10 deaths before the final wipe deaths

[quick verge]

bruh

yeah idk tell people to not die

learning vg2 isn’t something someone should have to do in the current month

[drowsy agate]

if you're confident in your own mechanics on e10s

don't join "prog parties"

join "clear parties"

clear parties should not be seeing vg2

[wheat marsh]

2-3 of the deaths tends to be me so i think i'd be kicked pretty quick

[frank quiver]

I haven't started progging TEA yet, but why are you letting Hand of Parting kill you? Isn't there a TB and an enrage afterwards?

[quick verge]

most of their wipes are hand of pain

others to random deaths spiraling into pain

[frank quiver]

Oh RIP. Hand of Pain sounds annoying.

[quick verge]

not really

just don’t tunnel on your favorite boss

[wheat marsh]

DPS in general also looks to be low

[quick verge]

and do proper aoe balancing padding on them

[drowsy agate]

hand of pain generally would not be an issue

if we're doing the damage to phase the boss

p1's hardest mechanic is the jagd dolls

that took us a long time to figure out

which is why I feel like prot 2 shouldn't be trapping us like this

[quick verge]

are people retaining stuff they did in previous raid days

cause outside of dps the movements should be clean for all mechanics by now

[nova socket]

whys the ast doing zdps

[drowsy agate]

overcompensating hard for the WHM doing zhps

[nova socket]

the ast is healing more than the solo heal tea whm healed

not really but like this just looks super weird

[drowsy agate]

also

what do you suggest we addle here anyway

[quick verge]

it’s really odd yea

[drowsy agate]

we have two addles

and it looks like we'll only get like 1 addle for the phase each

[wheat marsh]

how long is e10s to enrage finish?

[drowsy agate]

one of us can addle the splash

but what else?

[quick verge]

not much else iirc..

can try proteans?

should work on the ones coming from LL

[drowsy agate]

probably protean 2 i guess

and not protean 1

[quick verge]

yea

think op smn regen is out in pr 1

[drowsy agate]

i think that's late enough where I might be able to fit an addle early in the fight

[nova socket]

I don't think the whm is doing zhps it just looks like

a lot of both of their heals are pretty inefficient

like half their rapture healing is just wasted, they aren't weaving benison which should be completely free with all the lilies

[wheat marsh]

this is the closest i've gotten https://www.fflogs.com/reports/RDrPnmFMgkHGKZcd#fight=10 and you can see i'm deffo not doing well

[nova socket]

also the random log I picked they just randomly panic cure 3 spam which is kinda funny when half of it is wasted

[quick verge]

bruh

[wheat marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-so-what-gif-12321170

[frank quiver]

Dunno if it helps, but the way I process it— “slashing left = CW, right = CCW.” Your shadow looks like it’s sticking out east and the boss is slashing left? Just CW rotate into south. If you can’t react quickly enough, making some sort of mechanism to identify and move faster might be helpful.

[wheat marsh]

for some reason i figured that out. it's the multi (usually 4 giga slash, forget the # of implosions) one where the boss rotates based on the big shadow that gets me

[glossy musk]

That dps is giving me conniptions but there’s 36 damage downs so lol

Damage down had a 44.71% uptime through the fight

[frank quiver]

Oh whoops, thought you were messing up during Vg2. If you’re willing to stop DPSing altogether, you could stay in the middle and pivot along with the boss. You should have enough time to slide just before the clip goes off?

E10S reminds me… TFW you have your parser up and “Shadow of a Hero” suddenly does 20k damage.

[glossy musk]

LOL “oh no”

I love NISI for that. Instantly I’m doing 999,999 dps

[wheat marsh]

yeah its not VG2 it's voidgate amplifier+pitch bog

at least now its not vg2. i think i died on that VG2 XD

i also think i get caught by knockbacks

[sinful brook]

just shy of 11 minutes iirc

you should be able to move fairly well with instants as well on smn

[sinful brook]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Pq7MTktxgPRnnpv408BGcC7uH0PWWhcbqZC_bnWBICY/https/saltedxiv.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/e10s-1.png?width=935&height=584
i lied @wheat marsh its 11:20 for the whole fight

weakness had a 57% uptime

at the end of the day though, you're learning and thats good

[wheat marsh]

idk i dont think its worth enduring anymore

[sinful brook]

well thats a personal mental endurance thing

lmk if you ever want to keep learning i'll hop into pf with you if you want

can always drag a couple of my FC mates along too

the fight isn't as bad as you might think

its just....very black on the effects

[wheat marsh]

for the amount of hassle and the number of clears to get a reward savage doesn't seem worth it without a static

[sinful brook]

its....not the worst to pf

just sort of depends on the timing in which you attempt it

[nova socket]

It's just not great at this time

[sinful brook]

if you do it before a tier unlocks and relatively early in the tier

its pretty ok tbh

even like w8 i was getting decent pfs

[nova socket]

Most people I know stopped raiding ages ago now, so I can see how pf can be a big mess

[wheat marsh]

the summer is the only time i have spare bandwidth to even contemplate trying savage

mental bandwidth

[sinful brook]

thats fine

take it at your own pace

[wheat marsh]

my pace is DNF

like i was lucky to get an e9s clear before echo

[wheat marsh]

im not good at asking for pf assistance XD

[sinful brook]

thats fine

offer is just around if you want an extra body

[wheat marsh]

99.9% certain i wont ask XD

[drowsy agate]

you're on aether no?

i can help out too

assuming you're practicing when i'm available I can just hop in and practice another class or something

funnily enough, despite doing TEA on BLM I've done very little of this tier's savage on BLM

wouldn't mind the practice

[wheat marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/shy-anime-burning-overloaded-overwhelmed-gif-5081358

[sinful brook]

pog can get renaulte to carry my deadass

😏

[drowsy agate]

i ain't carry shit on BLM

RDM maybe

i'd die to greed long before I carry anyone

[worthy raven]

anyone have tips or suggestion of discord for all the alliance raid clear for MSQ

[wheat marsh]

if you're struggling to clear them grab some FC mates or friends to pad your party

[nova socket]

just duty finder it

[worthy raven]

been on que for labyrinth of the ancients as I haven't done any alliance raid ever already 90minutes in

[wild ether]

something something enable jp language in duty finder

[sinful brook]

!faq dflanguage

[storm frost]

Why does it constantly take hours for my queue to pop

If you're on the EU or JP servers, it might be prudent to use the ⚙️ to change your duty finder settings to allow more players speaking different languages to be matched with you!

Image URL: https://imgur.com/xIPGDTn.png

[wheat marsh]

XD yeah NA data center you'd get that in 7 mins or less

[wild ether]

channy u should pin that in jp-datacenter eng

[sinful brook]

i don't think i have pin privileges there

and i just made that like

2 hours ago

[wild ether]

[worthy raven]

I see ok I will try

I want to do MSQ but just hard to get people

[sinful brook]

its liek just shy of 6pm jp time too

so people probably aren't quite free off work and stuff yet

[worthy raven]

yeah was thinking same but was like how it takes 100 minutes and still only 3 of us

[glossy cove]

how viable is bard in end game content

[quick verge]

it's viable

like the other jobs

[glossy cove]

im close to 80, havent raided since 2.0 as tank. Do bards get invited or do people sometimes decline?

just a bit worried

but also like bow 😄

[quick verge]

nobody really cares about your job outside of filling each role

[verbal oak]

!faq meta

[storm frost]

How FFXIV's Meta Works

All jobs are good and viable in all content. The difference between meta and non-meta is minor, to the point that player skill is a significantly more important factor. Play what you enjoy/what interests you most, and you can make it work.

[quick verge]

if you're bad at your job then you'll get kicked

[glossy cove]

@verbal oak thanks!

and bisc

[wheat marsh]

or people leave the party XD

[quick verge]

or flame you

idk

[wheat marsh]

for the most part i havent been flamed too often, just people making a terrible excuse about having to do something and dropping the party

[glossy musk]

Old question but yeah the difference is extremely small. Like we have a SAM in our TEA group which is the worst melee in there, but if we do the mechanics, we will always win

[royal pendant]

hi for some reason i can't see my dice rolls

[lavish bobcat]

how can i register a free destination?

[quick verge]

link your acc to the one time pass app

then go to an aetheryte and access its menu to add a free destination

[raw bobcat]

this is less level 80 new game and more like post-ARR content but I dont know really a better spot to inquire. Wanting to try extreme trials, wheres the best place to find a group for that?

[quick verge]

make a party finder

make a description that you're doing it synced or min ilvl or w/e

[raw bobcat]

ty

[hearty crag]

whats the difference between zadnor and bozja?

[quick verge]

zadnor is the 2nd area in save the queen

new skirmishes, duels, CEs, etc

and features the dalriada, which is like the 2nd castrum lacus whatever

[hearty crag]

does it give more mettle, will i need to farm it for anything or can i just stay in bozja?

[quick verge]

gives more mettle ye

[hearty crag]

cause from my attempts zadnor seems a lot slower and people just sitting at spawn

[quick verge]

and can help you farm materials for the 2nd to last step in your relic

[hearty crag]

I see

[quick verge]

in addition to new lost actions

[steady pebble]

people being lazy most likely and waiting for dalriada

[bleak osprey]

im new to ff14,i need friends,and friends who play the game alot who wont mind gaming with me I'm on ps4 btw. kind regards

[quick verge]

ask in #retired-eu-datacentres or make a post in #603040858782040095

[sullen solar]

FINALLY

[quick verge]

nice axe

[vernal raptor]

what is the pre-raid BiS stuff if I wanna get into like... the hard shit

[quick verge]

get aug exarchic/cryptlurker gear

that’s your pre raid gear

[vernal raptor]

is that the green double meld stuff

[quick verge]

ye

[vernal raptor]

so that is all I need to get into groups and stuff? with like... max materias?

[quick verge]

yeah

[vernal raptor]

dope

[quick verge]

it’s 10 ilvl below max

so it’s decent enough

[vernal raptor]

i'm debating on if I want to piss away all my money on that and try and get into raiding or keep maxing lifeskills

[quick verge]

can just get full cryptlurker otherwise

[vernal raptor]

is that good enough too?

[quick verge]

yea

[vernal raptor]

I don't see that on the markboard

[serene lotus]

It's for tomestones

Exchange in Eulmore

[drowsy agate]

check my pinned guide in #questions-and-help

it will cover all your hearing options 510 and above

[vernal raptor]

👍

[paper ibex]

Are there any resources for Optimal builds

specifically WHM and AST

[supple sail]

For both, meld priority is piety to comfort then crit>det/dh

There is no "build variety" apart from personal comfort with regards to piety, and in some cases spellspeed for reaching GCD thresholds.

For optimisation stuff:

!faq balance

[storm frost]

The Balance

Discord

[torn kindle]

Comfort for piety also (heavily) relies on the competence of your party.

So even if you're a god at saving your MP, it won't mean much if your fellow party members seem to constantly get hit by aoes that aren't even there.

[glossy musk]

Yeah also has to do with your team using cooldowns. Lots of casters who don’t addle big damage

Which means more work from you

[steep falcon]

Yo peeps

Questiiion

For Limit Cut

Which one is correct, pic 1 or pic 2

1256 Red
3478 Blue

Those are the initial explosioooon!

[quick verge]

uhhh

pic 2 I think

is what’s standard

[steep falcon]

[stable basin]

pic 1

[steep falcon]

@stable basin Thanks! It makes sense, because pic 1 the people that get 1256 are going ascending!

In pic 2, 1256 they go ascending until they get the E/W explosion, then they have to descent and that is like

[quick verge]

what does that even mean

press the W key

[stable basin]

some groups do pic 2 fwiw

but I think 1 makes more sense and afaik it's more common

same prio as people use in e12s

and fits more with the association of mt as north/west

[steep falcon]

I mean as long as it works, I tried a group with pic 2 and there was half people used to pic 1 and the other group convincing us to do pic 2

Spoiler: didn't end well

[quick verge]

did they agree on one in the end

[steep falcon]

Uh.

Dunno. I left

[vernal breach]

lets say this happens in E9S
and the boss casts the stack dark arts

what do u even do i nthat situation...
we were saved by a healer lb3.. i suppose we'll just have to do that every time

[quick verge]

sprint and run to your general stack location, but you also want to preposition

so if your stack location is south, you and your partner want to be south for the cleave

all relative of course

north will be towards north already, and west/east get ready to book it

[vernal breach]

that makes sense, i dont think anyone had that kind of foresight 🤔

well.. maybe atleast one person did cuz we did survive

[quick verge]

luck

it’s a pretty rough mechanic to execute

cause you have to be fast

[vernal breach]

i love the 3 dashes that dancers get, this is my deathsave

a whole 3 of em

[misty topaz]

hey im jumping in copied factory blind as tank ill be fine like the other allaince raids right?

[surreal swan]

yoo Eden resurrection theme is the boss theme from FF8

[nova socket]

pretty sure neither of those is standard lol

[steep falcon]

You do Mario Kart?

[nova socket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/792548527825485834/859678125699760139/unknown-32.png

literally every group on eu Ive seen do this

[quick verge]

guess there's a lot of norths

ive only seen that variation like

once when subbing for a group

[grizzled quartz]

Dumb question, where's the best place to find a raid group nowadays?

[quick verge]

try https://discord.gg/mMVbkZx

[sullen hedge]

why do I have to verify my telephone number there to be able to talk?

[quick verge]

idk

anti spam or the like

[frank quiver]

To be fair, I wouldn’t want to recruit a bot.

[quick verge]

or deal with bots spamming chats/dms

[steep falcon]

EU do East and West? Ahh. NA do 1256 North 3478 South

[subtle bone]

theres a lot of variations when you use true north, but theyre all 1256N / 3478S .. even in example 3 thats just g1 north to se , g2 s to nw

maybe just settle on what the majority is comfortable with

[kind summit]

crystal e11s in need of peoples

[wheat marsh]

what in the world is reset after flood ray/limit cut on diamond ex?

[bronze ermine]

I think it's go back to the original sides you were on?

[sinful brook]

i thought it was that jump off strat

[wheat marsh]

^same

[bronze ermine]

If it was reset before, then I'd agree.

[quick verge]

you go to the sides you were assigned

if your default position is west platform, you go there

[wheat marsh]

ok just sounds weird XD

[quick verge]

healer lb strat was a good meme for like 3 days

[wheat marsh]

thought it was like skip soar or disband XD

whenever i hear reset

i think oh wiping cuz parse?

[quick verge]

well

skipping like idk

towers would be more like skipping soar ?

sort of not really

[wheat marsh]

i guess i just don't know the terminology. dunno what towers is referncing XD only thing i need anymore from diamond would be the mount, maybe update weapons on classes i don't play if they drop

[torn kindle]

Towers are the aoes you stand in to stop them from exploding the party as a whole

They’re paired with line aoes from hands

[wheat marsh]

ah

yeah i dont think i've been in any group that could skip towers

for whatever reason i've never like the term tower for those XD

[drowsy agate]

towers generally refers to any mechanic that's like that

meteor looking things

[wheat marsh]

for whatever reason it just doesn't click in my head

[quick verge]

what even was the first instance of tower mechanics

thordan?

where they looked like actual towers

[torn kindle]

T13

[plucky eagle]

Stormblood < ARR

[visual geyser]

Wrong

[errant sinew]

does delubrum count for tank mount achievement?

[misty topaz]

hey how do i get the cryptlurker weapons?

[quick verge]

go to Eulmore, exchange 1000 tomestones of revelation for 10 of Mowen's Token (Revelation), then collect 4 Blades of Lost Antiquity from completing Eden's Promise: Eternity once per week

after collecting 4 Blades of Lost Antiquity, exchange them for a Defragmented Tomestone

then you can exchange your Mowen's Tokens and Tomestone for a Cryptlurker weapon

Paladin's Cryptlurker weapon only requires 7 tokens

and its shield costs 300 tomestones

[quick verge]

doesn't look like it, no

[haughty sentinel]

as Pally do I meld Crit > DH ? cant find anything on google

[quick verge]

crit > comfortable sks > dh > det

comfortable sks being around 2.40 to 2.42 values

or like... 1117 to 1320 sks

[valid zephyr]

Can anyone DM me and explain how to read the E10 shadows/cleave? I can't seem to understand it and read where he's gonna cleave >_>

Just unlocked and did all my baby Eden's last night and a buddy whos cleared everything in the game practically tried telling me how to read it and I couldn't understand it

[swift oriole]

Lifts their face, cleaves front. Lifts their tail, cleaves back. Shadow is where the tail will be face.

[valid zephyr]

Doesn't he raise his arm too though?

I thought it was something to do with his arm and the shadow >_>

[swift oriole]

If they have sword out, it'll either be left or right of boss, depending on where the sword is held.

[quick verge]

for shadows, how i visualize them

is to just turn my camera to face opposite of where the shadow spawns

so if the shadow spawns west

i face east

south, north

etc etc

depending on the type of cleave it signals for

i just adjust

if it does a right cleave, then ill move north

or if your camera is facing east, then you move left

[valid zephyr]

So you just react?

[quick verge]

well yea

you have to know how the shadows function

you can also treat it as if there's a boss facing the direction opposite of where the shadow spawned

[valid zephyr]

Well yeah and I don't really. By the end of the night that was practically the only mechanic I didn't understand by the end of the raid 🤣

[quick verge]

idk if other people have a better method for what shadows will do

but that's just how i visualize it

[valid zephyr]

OHHH OK I GET IT

I just watched a vid for it

I understand it now. Tail will always face the shadow by the end of the cast so at that point you just read whether his head or his tail is up. If head is up be on the same side as shadow. If tail/butt is up be on the opposite side of the shadow

2 more questions. Is it worth farming the normal modes to familiarize myself and will it help with savage or is it too different?

Secondly. If anyone knows. Which are the 2 quickest Eden's to farm for Grey/Purple crystals for relic?

[quick verge]

you can sort of familiarize yourself with how mechanics work in savage, but at a base level

you'll have to get used to them without tells

or having to do several things at once

can farm 1/3 for the crystals

[valid zephyr]

Alrighty appreciate it

[sinful brook]

@valid zephyr
https://aliceheuz.github.io/e10s/
this might help you practice shadows

[uncut belfry]

how do we look for groups to do specific activies with?

[torn kindle]

Party finder for basically everything but ultimates and long-term savage/extreme groups

[proven hollow]

shortcut achieved, now to work on relic and clear raids

[wintry apex]

Does ninja's Hyoton ever really get used?

[torn kindle]

Kinda but not until you get a trait that upgrades it when you use it with Kassatsu

!action Hyosho Ranryu

[storm frost]

**Hyosho Ranryu** : lvl 76 NIN (1.5 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Deals ice damage with a potency of 1,200.
Mudra Combination: Chi→Jin or Ten→Jin
Can only be executed while under the effect of Kassatsu.
Triggers the cooldown of weaponskills, mudra, and Ninjutsu upon execution.

※This action cannot be assigned to a hotbar.

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[torn kindle]

Before then it’s basically a useless ninjutsu

[wintry apex]

Oh, for some reason i thought Katon was the aoe upgrade for that, makes a lot more sense, thanks

[torn kindle]

Katon also upgrades with Kassatsu at 76

!action Goka Mekkyaku

[storm frost]

**Goka Mekkyaku** : lvl 76 NIN (1.5 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Deals fire damage with a potency of 750 to target and all enemies nearby it.
Mudra Combination: Chi→Ten or Jin→Ten
Can only be executed while under the effect of Kassatsu.
Triggers the cooldown of weaponskills, mudra, and Ninjutsu upon execution.

※This action cannot be assigned to a hotbar.

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[wintry apex]

it seems weird they would upgrade hyoton instead of our actual single target ninjutsu

[quick verge]

they probably upgraded hyoton cause it was useless

[wheat marsh]

i rarely remember hyosho since you use the electric one so much before you get Hyosho

[magic sandal]

Is dark knight a viable class endgame

[sinful brook]

!faq meta

[storm frost]

How FFXIV's Meta Works

All jobs are good and viable in all content. The difference between meta and non-meta is minor, to the point that player skill is a significantly more important factor. Play what you enjoy/what interests you most, and you can make it work.

[magic sandal]

Thx

[round needle]

Are there any discords for pugging savage and extreme content?

like for pick-up parties

[torn kindle]

none that I know for aether

[sinful brook]

Well on the transcendent discord there's a pug pingable role that you can use to sign up to pug content sorta

[round needle]

I'm already on that, though it seems to be more for recruitment than pugging.

thanks though.

[green marlin]

So a question for you guys. Since the edens give coffers instead of the gear itself, can I just keep grinding it on my drk to get coffers and then open them on the classes I want to gear?

[nova socket]

yes

[green marlin]

I figured as much, but thought I should double check before I suffer through the PF grind. Thanks

[full knoll]

Hello ! I'm a new player and i heard that the endgame in FFXIV is the skin of your stuff. Is it true?

[lyric summit]

no it's the 1 joke everyone repeats

if you want to farm glamour pieces as your endgame then do that, but there's more stuff to do

[drowsy agate]

yeah it's a pretty widely circlejerked joke

but there's truth in it

some very cool weapon skins can only be obtained by clearing the hardest raids in the game

other circlejerked jokes include, but aren't limited to:

-luldrg always dead/floor tank/backflip to death
-BLM standing in leylines and dies
-GNB invuln right after WHM benediction
-RDM being out of mana because they rez too much

[frank quiver]

BLM gets memed a lot, but I guess it's because there's a grain of truth to it. Took a telegraphed Protean to my face, and one of the healers was like, "YOU JUST STOOD THERE."

LPT: Don't tank Heroes Gauntlet's fairy boss's conal AoE with Manaward. It gives you Doom.

[quick verge]

you place the LL in the center of the hitbox

[frank quiver]

Ye, but I didn't know when I first faced the fairy boss.

Thought I could face tank it, and my healer let me die. Understandable.

[lyric summit]

blm is fun ive been playing it a lot recently

hopefully i can go back to maining a caster in 6.0 if smn gets bulldozed and rebuilt from the ground up and rdm gets some complexity

and blm needs like. you can use sharpcast while casting

cause thats the only clunky part of it for me

[quick verge]

removed sch feature

do shit whilst casting

[lyric summit]

either that or some heating up passive where your gcd gets faster with each f4 so you have more weave slots

or not even gcd just f4 cast time reduction

[frank quiver]

Sharpcast while casting?

You can weave it in.

BLM has enough places to weave, IMO.

On top of each transition letting you weave, you can instant cast for it as well. No need to use all instants on movement when Polyglot is renewed so often.

[wheat marsh]

BLM can weave? XD

[dull radish]

I'd like if they made fast F3/B3 even a little bit faster than they are, so you can weave a bit more cleanly after them without clipping

[wheat marsh]

i'll do some raid/trial roulettes to work on BLM but if i'm not saving instants to move i'll drop enochian since it always seems I need to move on 3rd fire 4 XD

[lyric summit]

i had that at like 1800 sps

[wheat marsh]

i mean once you're past the blizzard refresh you're pretty much in rotation so what's there to weave XD

[sinful brook]

!buff thundercloud

[storm frost]

**Thundercloud**

Next Thunder spell will add its full damage over time amount to its initial damage, require no time to cast, and cost no MP.

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[sinful brook]

you have that you have xenos you have triple/swift

[dull radish]

firestarter proc, too

[wheat marsh]

you're still clipping to hit triple/swift though arent you?

[dull radish]

no

you'd most often be using triple after the F3 from UI3

then you have three instants under the triple to weave other oGCDs

[frank quiver]

You can refresh after the third Fire IV. That’s better than letting Enochian drop. If you have high enough SpS, you should still be able to get in the recommended # of Fire IV’s during the fire phase.

[dull radish]

you also can potentially use another instant cast if you're mid AF and need to triple or swift, and then use the instants from those to weave other things

what do you mean, refresh after the third F4?

that's the standard

F4x3 F1 F4x3

that pattern gives you the most leeway in AF timer

you can do F4x4 F1 F4x2 or F4x2 F1 F4x4 as well without dropping AF/eno, too

[frank quiver]

Oh, that’s standard? My bad, I’ve been doing the latter rotation and assumed that was the norm.

[dull radish]

3-1-3 gives you the most leeway yeah

unless you have a reason to do something else, that's what you should be doing

[wheat marsh]

XD i probably dont have enough spellspeed

[frank quiver]

I guess I could adjust to that instead. I haven’t had a problem with F4x4 as of now, but I suppose it’s suboptimal.

[dull radish]

it's not necessarily suboptimal either

as long as you're getting the same number of F4's off you're not losing anything, you're just making it harder than it has to be

[dull radish]

how much sps do you have? Even with very low sps you still have a GCD of leeway on either side of the F1 refresh without dropping eno, so if you're struggling it's generally mostly on just delays between casts and not sps

[wheat marsh]

im also not the best at positioning

[frank quiver]

I generally switch between x3 and x4 as needed (for movement). It’s just that my norm is x4.

[wheat marsh]

and with it mostly being normal content it seems more often to be targeted

[lyric summit]

i feel like at sps below like, 2500, if you do four f4s on either side you have zero margin left for movement or sometimes clipping

[dull radish]

you definitely still have some leeway lower than that

[wheat marsh]

well im using mostly SMN gear melds

though my gear has some sps on it

[dull radish]

you start to lose a bit more flexibility when you drop to like , sub 1.6k or something, maybe it was 1.4k

[wheat marsh]

yeah im around there

[dull radish]

it'll be tight around there but if you get like 2k you have a bit of leeway on top of that too

[wheat marsh]

too much for SMN probs not enough for BLM

[dull radish]

yeah we usually recommend ~2k as a rough semi-arbitrary minimum, where most people find a bit more comfort with things. Also around the bottom sps that people with decent ping can do the mod JP opener

[frank quiver]

Does Lv80 SMN suffer from high SpS? Never tried playing it with BLM gear.

[wheat marsh]

for things to line up without delay yeah

BiS is 2.47 currently

[frank quiver]

Huh. Fair enough.

[dull radish]

you also gain way more from the other substats than you do from sps, so even without rotational considerations (which you can work around a bit but it doesn't feel great) you're losing out on a good deal of damage

[wheat marsh]

im max ilev without savage gear, hence the spell speed XD

i also can't really use the BLM's move to person action well

[dull radish]

mouseover macro is a pretty common choice, if you're using kb/m

[frank quiver]

To be fair, the transport only works well if the person you’re teleporting to is in spot (unless you teleport early and adjust).

Maybe the people you’ve played with got into position late, getting you cleaved.

[wheat marsh]

i've never used macros for anything but timed fishing XD

[dull radish]

sprint macro is a good choice across the board for any job, at the very least. But yeah, if you're having problems utilizing AM, mouseover macro is definitely something to consider

[wheat marsh]

i dont have problems with it since i dont use it XD

[lyric summit]

yeah mouseover AM is crazy good

you just mouse over the safespot and like 80% of the time it gets you there

cause someone's there

[frank quiver]

Can you weave the macro?

[sinful brook]

macro will still experience the same issues such as queuing

but doesn't mean you cna't weave it on an available weave window

[drowsy agate]

i usually use the mouseover macro on the party list

instead of mousing over the safespot itself

[wheat marsh]

XD idk i probably just dont get BLM enough since it feels like theres never any weave time if i try to avoid dropping enochian

[drowsy agate]

a lot of times, there isn't

t3p, xeno, f3p are ways you can make a weave window

in addition to swiftcast and triplecast

use b3 or f3 to swap from fire or ice also gives you a weave window

[wheat marsh]

well f3p seems to never happen, and t3p again feels like im going to drop enochian or overwrite thunder early, but then i also tend to drop it if i consciously try to delay using it

[drowsy agate]

f3p doesn't happen very often

since the only times you're gonna get it is after the one time you use F1

and it's not guaranteed either ofc

idk if rika mentioned it but

if you use the standard 3xf4 1xf1 3xf4 fire phase

you have space for one extra gcd on each end of the f1

[wheat marsh]

each end?

[drowsy agate]

so t3p can be used there for a weave window

or xeno

yeah, before and after the F1

there's 4 GCDs of cast leeway before you have to refresh AF

so 3 of them are fire 4s

and one of them is a filler

you usually skip the filler GCD if it's not needed

[wheat marsh]

isnt there a bit of clip if it's not t3p?

[drowsy agate]

what do you mean?

if it's just 1 weave then you won't clip

so your fire phase looks like

[wheat marsh]

oh wait you're talking a gdc i'm thinking trying to get an ogcd

[drowsy agate]

[Fire 4] [Fire 4] [Fire 4] [Filler GCD] [Fire 1 to refresh AF] [Fire 4] [Fire 4] [Fire 4] [Filler GCD] [Despair to refresh AF]

yeah so if you need a weave window

instead of skipping one of those two filler GCDs

you stick something in there

xeno, f3p, t3p

to get a weave

if you have to refresh t3p early, it's probably still a gain depending on whether or not you would have lost a cast because of movement

[frank quiver]

Is F3P worth using if you don’t have to move?

[drowsy agate]

yes, you drop your f3p before reentering ice phase

[wheat marsh]

XD if i have an oGCD to use

er

filler gcd to use

[drowsy agate]

generally you consider saving xenoglossy

xeno is your most flexible weave

since you can just hold it and use it whenever you have to move

[wheat marsh]

if i do i tend to overcap because it never feels like i have enough time to F1

if i do anything else

[frank quiver]

Upgrade gear?

[drowsy agate]

if you risk overcapping on xeno then you just drop xeno somewhere

either during ice phase or during one of the filler GCDs during fire phase

or you can be cheeky

[wheat marsh]

i know i should use it but the thing is do i remember to XD

[drowsy agate]

and do one round of the meme rotation

[wheat marsh]

meme rotation?

[drowsy agate]

it's, uh

special

meme rotation is basically you drop f1 and b4 entirely for a round

[quick verge]

"meme"

[frank quiver]

?

[drowsy agate]

so ice phase is t3p + xeno

then you immediately go into fire

[frank quiver]

Oh, the nonstandard rotation?

[drowsy agate]

fire phase is (by default) 4f4 despair

yes

[frank quiver]

I didn’t realize it was a meme, haha.

[drowsy agate]

BLM guide calls it the hypermeme rotation

i get why though

basically if you mess up the fire phase at all you probably drop enochian

either you drop enochian or you miss a f4

[wheat marsh]

i tend to go back to ice to keep enochian XD

[full knoll]

Do, what do you usualy do in end game ? Donjons? Raids?

[frank quiver]

High-level dungeons, harder raids, crafting, etc.

[quick verge]

erp

[smoky root]

Hey guys, where would I go to ask for help on having a few 80's run me through dun scaith?

[timid spear]

Housing, Gambling (mahjong), PotD/HoH necromancer title, Mount farm, Relic weapons, complete fishing/explo log

[magic sandal]

Is summoner any good late game

[stable basin]

all jobs are very very close to each other in performance

[green marlin]

Tell that to all the gunbreakers

[stable basin]

gnb is clearly ahead in dps but it's still not a huge %

[green marlin]

It's not that big, I see a ton of them. That and paladins

At least in savage content

I see a bigger variety in thing like bozja and waht not

[rocky parcel]

Summoner is pretty solid, it does a bit more damage on average than red mage, the other mage with a res, also has some nice party utility

[still inlet]

It's one of the safest non-tank jobs to learn any encounter on, period. It has strong mobility and personal mitigation (at a cost of some damage). The one thing it doesn't have vs other casters is an emergency movement measure - for the time being. Endwalker is showing that might change, but we don't know what all else is changing to evaluate a total package. We'll know better come September

Its multi-target is also strong, especially if we're talking 2 target situations whether separate or kept together for cleave

[calm basin]

hi guys i'm new to ff14 moved from tbc to try it out as my old brother always talks to me about it i'm warrior currently level 57 i wanted to know what stats should i go after should i just follow the main story which professions to go after are they easy to level so on so forth haha i've read a bit on reddit but some of the info i found was a bit old nothing a month or 2 months back

[quaint marten]

you dont really need to care about stats/substats until lvl 80. just wear whatever gear that has the highest ilvl

as for professions, they are all optional

in general, people who want to craft/gather go for everything

since the crafted stuff feeds each other

like alchemist makes ingredients for weaver etc

[calm basin]

interesting would there be a profession more useful for warrior

like something for self use

[quaint marten]

not specifically, you logically need every crafter and its not specific for each job

for example, you need Armourer, blacksmith, leatherworker, alchemist etc for gear

Culinarian for potions and food

[calm basin]

okay sweet, for stats in end game could you share briefly like what is it to go for so i have an idea

[quaint marten]

for warrior wise, you want crit > comfy sks > det

other tanks want crit > sks > direct hit

warrior is the odd one out because they have a skill that gurantees critical direct hit, berserk iirc

basically, you go for highest ilvl then you meld crit then sks to your liking

[lyric summit]

for like a fresh 80 after you've done leveling just worry about getting to like i520, you're not really in a position to be picky about substats if you're not clearing savage raids yet

[calm basin]

thanks all for the very useful information special thanks to you smug now i'll stare at a wall for 2 hours until i can play again!

[torn kindle]

[sinful brook]

Watching paint dry is a good maintenance activity

[drowsy agate]

so how does the 15% echo affect echo parses

lol

i had a 99 for echo parse before the patch

[quick verge]

better do it again

[drowsy agate]

fuck

[quick verge]

no new partition

[drowsy agate]

i guess it's still going to be relative anyway

just instead of 26k being orange, it'll be like 27k

[calm heron]

hey everyone, i have finally finished the msq and i am excited to start working on my shb relic weapon, the thing is i have tried to follow guides but i am lost. so far i have started with the first quest form keiten and followed a few quests after that.. am i doing it or have i completely wasted my time ?

[frank quiver]

I don’t know off the top of my head, since I don’t remember the quest progression. But you’ll probably get a quicker response if you ask in #questions-and-help (if you want an answer ASAP).

[sinful brook]

@calm heron what quests are you on currently

You have to move through the questline enough to unlock bozja to finish the relic

[stable basin]

your old echo parses will keep their historical rank

99 in 10% echo still shows as 99 on your page

[ancient swan]

For those who have raided from the first raids all the way through now, does it feel like the raids differ from expansion to expansion? Or is it all mostly the same kind of dodge this, face away here, stack here, spread here, etc?

ive been progressing through the eden raids and it feels like all the video guides are just long lists of things to dodge, im just wondering how varied it actually feels to those who have raided a lot

[lyric summit]

well most fights have some gimmick or three that make them different from the other fights in the tier

assuming you mean savage

dunno i've not felt them to be repetitive and i've been raiding since creator

maybe if you do all 3 tiers back to back, but if you just do the one tier every 6-8 months you get excited even for the new 1st floor dummy boss with two reused mechanics tacked onto it

[ancient swan]

thats fair, ive never done savage so i dont think i can really have an opinion per se, im just usually more overwhelmed by how many things i have to remember versus how "difficult" mechanics are

[lyric summit]

you learn more from actual practice than studying a guide, you start to remember mechanics by where you are in your rotation, boss dialogue, sometimes music is synced to mechanics, random things you don't get from a youtube vid