for the first two tiers of a given expac
#endgame-lounge
quick verge
echo is added at the start of the following raid tier
so, eden's gate has echo added when eden's verse dropped
rankings are closed
so doesn't matter what happens to the echo logs
drowsy agate
oh, i see
signal compass
Anyone can tell me why my ACT overlays is showing but stays on changelog/start window and doesn't change during an encounter?
quick verge
new patch, ACT is broken
have to wait until it's updated
there's a beta plugin you can find in here though
Useful server/resource collection:
https://discord.gg/thebalanceffxiv
https://discord.gg/pQVpDZn
https://discord.gg/hK523Pj
https://discord.gg/Ryy6xetJcp
https://discord.gg/apNHpyQKNG
signal compass
Oh, no wonder I thought I was doing something wrong.
Thank you for the info I'll just wait for it to be patched. I just wanted it because it's been months since I played and I don't remember how to play basically lol
finite plank
did e12s with echo
boy, it felt weird and fast
still wiped cause healer "accidentally" died during triple
so no 1 shots for p2
things like... 20% before adv starts was... weird
stable basin
calling it now, khira is gonna relent and make a partition in the next few days
cuz not having an echo partition is extremely stupid
Having to queue into an altered version of the current content that exists solely for parsing to get your clears recorded is pretty cringe
finite plank
well... it'd save some time, just shorter time but probably stricter?
stable basin
I know he doesn't play FF and is exposed to the idiocy of the FFLogs discord
So probably thinks people care about the sanctity of odd patch logs and thinks not having echo partition preserves that or sth
or just doesn't want to do the work 
finite plank
i'd probably go with not wanting to work
quick verge
yeah being exposed to the fflogs discord is a fair point
stable basin
cuz not having an echo partition is extremely stupid
wait y you think its stupid?
A Pile of Cats: Having to queue into an altered version of the current content that exists solely for parsing to get your clears recorded is pretty cringe
quick verge
it’s also silly to have echo partitions in the past and not have one now
stable basin
ah, did they previously just keep both options available?
quick verge
n, only echo
verbal oak
¯_(ツ)_/¯
stable basin
echo trivialises the fights even more so I see why they do that
since back then there was no echo detection or something, I read iirc
quick verge
our (inter)national heroes
chrome cobalt
there was also
chrome cobalt
no way to silence echo
outside clicking it off
after every clear or wipe
til blues introduced
and added that option
cause echo lowers your chance greatly to obtain spells
wheat marsh
so is savage now you can do any tier and get drops without sacrificing lower tiers if you jump ahead?
wheat marsh
yeah
chrome cobalt
since there is almost 0 point to do e1s-e8s unless you need glam
stable basin
the fflogs discord 
wheat marsh
more like" WTFLogs " discord now
serene lotus
the people who argue in the fflogs discord
That's the only content left in the game after you parse 100 in Sastasha
still inlet
since there is almost 0 point to do e1s-e8s unless you need glam
Console trophies are a real reason to run them again, since they revamped the achievement list
Since the clears you already have aren't retroactive apparently
elder pond
Can someone give me a frame of ref: how difficult is drs compared to e9s-e12s before echo?
I've cleared the Edens through p1 of 12. /progging on p2 currently.
Wondering if drs is easier? Harder? Or about the same?
I'm sure its much more chaotic with a larger group. But in general terms of mechanics.
stable basin
It's hard to quantify because they're so different
DRS mechs are very EX-esque in how they're presented
And how it's pretty much all personal responsibility
But knowing where to go is much more difficult
inland ore
Well, I did notice a distinct uptick in mental load while progging DRS compared to progging savage. I've always had trouble answering questions to the nature of "how does x savage fight compare to y savage fight" as they all feel fairly same-y to me. You learn a coordinated dance and then you wipe until you can execute it. Mechs that initially look impressive and convoluted are actually fairly simple in execution as soon as someone figures out a strat to simplify it.
DRS isn't really like that. There's barely any mechanical co-ordination and everyone mostly does their own thing. You're probably not going to wipe the group if you die unless you're one of the key roles like dispeller or reflector. I would say that mechs in DRS are generally more difficult to mentally work through and resolve than savage, but at the same time a lot of mechs require only one person out of 48 to solve them and then call them out for everyone else, so that can reduce individual load a good deal.
It should also be noted that due to having less individual impact you can get hard carried much more easily in DRS than savage, especially now.
frank quiver
the people who argue in the fflogs discord
Huh, what are they even arguing about? Numbers are numbers.
sinful brook
"your numbers were easier to get"
supple sail
is this the time for the ucob copypasta
verbal oak
it is time
torn kindle
Hey just wanted to say CONGRATULATIONS (DRS was harder in 5.45) on DELUBRUM REGINAE SAVAGE (it was harder in 5.45). I know you've been working really hard (DRS used to be harder) at it, and I'm happy that you've (DRS used to be harder) achieved your goal of beating THE QUEEN. I know your journey through (DRS used to be even harder) the content was filled with ups and downs, but you and (DRS used to be harder) your group stuck (DRS used to be harder) together through them all, and you were rewarded for your patience and (DRS used to be harder) tenacity. Congratulations (DRS used to be so much harder) once again, and here's to more success in your future (DRS used to be harder) endeavors!!!
frank quiver
Oh LOL. Good to know that DRS was harder in 5.45.
stable basin
New actions definitely make it easier... But it wasnt that bad even then
torn kindle
The 10 stacks of HP valors probably make the big aoe mitigation checks a lot smoother
Or even just like 4-6 stacks, I think each stack is 5%?
torn kindle
And having up to double healing makes healing those checks a lot easier
gloomy night
time to do the minimum 24 man all dps drs run (i think it was done before)
hushed harness
are kills still logged
frozen portal
Only w/o echo
gloomy night
but isn't there an echo category or something?
there is a poll in eff eff logs
whether to add a partition for echo logs or not
hushed harness
yeah i saw it just now
daring dome
super annoying to not be able to parse with echo just because some guy feels superior over his non echo number
chrome cobalt
can parse with echo if you like
unless you want pretty colorful numbers in your profile
thats something else entirely
daring dome
i just want to have an easier time farming gear while seeing my parse compared to others
thats all
i dont care that much but its still annoying to have to choose
finite plank
^
frank quiver
What’s barsing etiquette? What do folks jump off for?
frank quiver
Gotcha. Do they always use uptime strats?
quick verge
they should
subtle bone
in a perfect world
regal shell
anyone spot a discord for northern data center for making delebrum savage groups?
wheat marsh
aether has a eureka/bozja one, i dont think there's a general all NA one though
stable basin
CEM does drs runs
cursive mirage
Does anyone know the stats I should put for NIN relic?
quick verge
cursive mirage
I was asking for augmented laws order sorry
quick verge
max crit max dh rest det
cursive mirage
Ty
still inlet
Most jobs will follow the same general stat priority. What usually differs is particular tiers given your job/role items, and if there's specific gcd preferences for your job
So in most cases before tier and gcd optimisation, crit > dh > det is by and large going to be correct, especially at the end of an expansion
errant sinew
should i get dnc or nin relic
quick verge
both
stable basin
i need a honest awnser
compared to end game raids and bosses
how does leviathan from worldeater extreme match up
1 to 10
torn kindle
annoying for healers due to the healing debuff the tail tank has
So you can’t go be wild on AoE heals or you hurt your healing range
drowsy agate
compared to end game raids and bosses
need more context lol
if you call e12s a 10 then leviathan isn't even a 1
if you call TEA a 10 then leviathan isn't even on the scale
chrome cobalt
unreal fights are easier than extremes
drowsy agate
if you consider e9s a 10 then leviathan maybe a 2 or 3
drowsy agate
are echo logs valid now
quick verge
yea
drowsy agate
I know the FFLogs guy said they weren't gonna support it but I guess they turned around
quick verge
he got yelled at by like 30 people before the day ended
then he put up some polls on what to do
now there's an echo partition
drowsy agate
lol
so I guess we can upload old logs now and those will count too? even ones that were logged before the change
stable basin
need more context lol
as in mechanics where boat tilts and ppl dont pat attention insta die or like any abilty that yeets em off
drowsy agate
are you saying those mechanics are hard or unfair
because savage is full of mechanics like that
unreal levi is very easy compared to savage
all 4 fights this savage tier have a knockback that can easily kill you
numerous
many of the EX trials do too
diamond and emerald, the two latest ones, both do
gotta be friends with your surecast/arm's length button
sinful brook
renaulte they're not at 80 yet, they're talking about the ex, synced
they queued into it via DF
drowsy agate
oh what
lmao
just kinda assumed they were doing unreal
since no one does the level 50 EX lol
drowsy agate
see like
I read it as "worldeater extreme"
but processed it as "leviathan unreal"
hollow arch
Did they change Lost Excellence that can only be used in combat?
I watched RDM duels
and they can use it right before entering the duel
hollow arch
right
ahhh
now I felt stupid
and I messed up my duels
A week of notoriety T____T
cedar steppe
when do we get to see the video teasers of the new abilities coming with endwalker?
im excited
quick verge
~october probably
hushed harness
how do i number 3 and 4 giants without blasting someone's face
quick verge
wtf does that mean
quick verge
oh 12s
3 is whatever
4 your posture towards the kb
lot of leeway without blasting someone
nova socket
you can bait 4 straight through the middle and be fine
quick verge
ye
stable basin
3 should be doing the same movement as 2
south 4 can be S and move in time, north 4 can be NE/NW and get there in time too. snapshots earlier than it looks so
still kayak
can u spam e12n for the blade of antiquity or is that next patch?
quick verge
savage unlocked at regular time
still kayak
torn kindle
Yeah but normal usually full unlocks with it
stable basin
They're so weird about gating the extra mat for tome weapons when they'd still have a fairly narrow use case if you completely removed that extra mat
Like you need to be consistently clearing the third fight but incapable of clearing the fourth fight for long enough that you're ok wasting more than 2 weeks of tomes
or just be willing to spend 1k tomes once you've gotten everything else for something that will get obsoleted by the odd patch ex trial
quick verge
make tome weapon bis for every job
frank quiver
I got the tome weapon for BLM SpS BiS, lmao. It’s irrelevant now because of the relic weapon, but that… is a grind I do not want to work on. 
stable basin
did 24 man raid im a summoner and top dps was a machanist
why is diffrence so big? dosnt itlevel get towended down?
he was a level 80
does some gear stil give more dps if ur higher level
or is it a class diffrence
what makes him do x2 my damage?
im 113 i level summoner btw
quick verge
their gear gets synced down to i130 or 135, while you’re still at i113
immediately you’re at a disadvantage with damage
outside of gameplay stuff
like rolling gcd, doing aoes when applicable
torn kindle
And some jobs are just frankly a bit overtuned at 50 since they weren’t around back then
stable basin
- Some jobs are absolutely busted at low levels (rdm, mch, mnk)
- Most people in ally raids can't even ride their gcd
still inlet
MCH has a very strong baseline rotation at that level including Reassemble to guarantee CDHs where most jobs won't have access to Crit buffs whether self or otherwise because those come later
The extra 23 ilvls in stats and weapon damage will be adding a chunk vs what you have. It also shows that you have a death. That said, an ACT summary table doesn't really explain all that much as to what actually went on. At your ilvl it should be tending more to 400 dps
Our 50 potencies are pretty anaemic vs some jobs. It's more stable damage, but it lacks the spikes we get later
bronze radish
how are ninjas endgame compared to samurai? I know sam is apparently #1 for melee dps... does that mean people avoid ninjas or prefer sam?
dull radish
SAM is all personal dps, doesn't provide dps utility at all. NIN has a bit lower personal damage, but with trick attack it helps other people do a good bit more damage. A lot of openers are designed around trick attack timing
in a lot of situations you're not necessarily looking at taking SAM or taking NIN, but instead taking SAM and NIN
torn kindle
most party comps usually go for 2 melee and a ranged+caster DPS so there's no problem with taking both
bronze radish
thanks :). yeah I tried playing both and I still prefer ninja playstyle it feels just more fun imo with the combination attacks with the ten, jin and chi. I already mastered that to know which combinations do what
dull radish
yeah if you're digging NIN, for sure stick with it
noble obsidian
anyone know how to get into parsing for the current raid tier?
gloomy night
anyone know how to get into parsing for the current raid tier?
turn on silence echo if you are going to setup a pf or join a pf with a silence echo option.
since this current raid tier is defaulted to have echo when you go in
You can still parse echo but it wouldn't show to your profile and it has a separate tab for it in FFlogs
Also you need ACT to upload your parses to fflogs, here's a quick guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcXGYdmYa6U
noble obsidian
@gloomy night ty
stable basin
tbh just do echo parses
ppl really acting like echo logs are fake but 5.5 logs aren't
torn kindle
Echo logs are an honest fake. /s
frank quiver
Echo = more room for healers to DPS. 
torn kindle
waxen vector
anyone got good tea puns?
Nothing off the top of my head but I’ve got some brewing
My prices are steep however
stable basin
Log parties are the fucking worst
Seen day 1 practice parties perform better
10 attempts at e9s and didn't even get past platforms
And we're talking people with orange/pink logs in the fight
stable basin
Meh. I think the problem is these people are only good inside their static
stable basin
ppl really acting like echo logs are fake but 5.5 logs aren't <:haha:24084124523...
How are 5.5 fake?
torn kindle
fake in the sense that most serious players aren't playing/parsing nowadays, so the higher-end isn't as good as the 5.4 parses
rotund hill
So I am in the part of the relic weapon quest where you need the 180 items. I got all the ones I need from the Zanador skrimishes. For the remaining ones, is it faster to do the CEs or raids?
torn kindle
Raids
rotund hill
is it guaranteed like the CES?
serene lotus
Yes
stable basin
fake in the sense that most serious players aren't playing/parsing nowadays, so ...
Just look at any historical % in 5.4 vs now. A 95 parse in 5.4 will be a 90 now. If anything I'd say it's harder to get a good parse in 5.5
You get more midcore/casual statics completing in 5.5 than in 5.4, but that doesn't mean bad... Just not as much time to put in a few nights a week to clear in a few months
A parse is a parse, any snobbery about when it was done is just silly.
chrome cobalt
the competition on high ranks is the part where it got easier
you wont see 50 of the top 100 in 5.5
so getting to top 100 wont be as hard as 5.4
5.5 top 14
vs 5.4 top 14
5.5 top 100
vs 5.4 top 100
difference is wild
this is just on e9s
it gets much bigger in higher floors
as they have less clears
stable basin
Yeah, because people aren't running 1000 times to post the log of the run where they got higher than average crits.
chrome cobalt
the competition is not there
just because fewer people are parsing than it was in 5.4
doesnt mean 95 is harder to come by now
sinful brook
Top 12 becoming top 2
That player has like 400 kills of 9s
People really be farming their median
And even his top 2 in 5.5 output is lower than the top 2 of 5.4
stable basin
I think you're looking at fflogs and 'end game' in a very narrow way.
Parsing is not confined to top 100 players
chrome cobalt
well i look at top 100 to count myself as top optimizer
if i dont have as much competition as 5.4 in 5.5
then my top 100 rank is fake
cause competent folk no longer parsing
chrome cobalt
we dont talk about most players here
most players wont care what their dps numbers are
they just want pretty colors in their pages
stable basin
Didn't say log run was blue.
chrome cobalt
the same can be said why people asked for echo partition
they could just deduct 10% of their dps
stable basin
Echo partition is differen,t because the fight is different
Some things you wouldn't die to
Easier healing
Etc
chrome cobalt
and see what rank it put em at
stable basin
You can do difference strats with 10% extra health
chrome cobalt
if anything
stable basin
Anyway, we're approaching if from different perspectives
chrome cobalt
echo will make uptime doggos slightly easier to pull off
stable basin
I used to give a shit and have 100 logs, but I just see it is a waste now.
That's what I meant... when I said diff strats.
Don't even need invulns now on certain mechanics
stable basin
Whatever.
chrome cobalt
if i want to compete i would do it when top folk are also there
but the way it is now?
i would be on top 100 without much trying
which kills the entire point of hitting top 100 in first place
gloomy night
watching the top 2 in twitch on how he plays sam is addicting, that dude is really good with his sam.
frank quiver
People really be farming their median
Huh, is that bad? Most of my runs were grey when I cleared E9S (undergeared), so I’ve been reclearing with purples to show that I can do the content consistently. Don’t think there’s any other way to “prove” your performance when recruiting others for statics.
I’m not aiming for Top 100, obviously.
sinful brook
i wasn't say that its bad, more that, holy 400+ clears of a fight is just a lot of pulls. Totaling to close to 1k pulls of a tier is just a lot. But if you enjoy it, its fine tbh
But to me it doesn't even sound remotely like "fun" anymore
Thats like a job at that point
stable basin
I don't personally put a ton of stock into median but if you're pushing it up from grey to purple or whatever that's definitely a worthwhile pursuit
Like if I see someone with rainbow logs and a strong median I know that means they've learned a lot and put in some effort which makes them look really good
It's the really high median farming that's often just an exercise in vanity
Like if someone has high orange/pink median I just assume they're either a speedrunner who has literally 200 pink parses in the fight or they've hidden a lot of logs where they don't pop off
edgy pivot
unique stump
Not an endgame question as I'm still only lvl 38 Rogue. But when is Death Blossom a priority? 3+ 4+ mobs etc?
finite plank
3+
frank quiver
Like if someone has high orange/pink median I just assume they're either a speed...
Oh, fair enough. That would be hard to maintain.
stable basin
yeah people don’t really look too into medians
stable basin
difference is wild
wow that difference is actually pretty big especially with relic wep now
upper cedar
Is ucob harder than tea?
wheat marsh
when did this become endgame rants? XD
quick verge
shush
nova socket
tbh I had orange+ medians when I was doing weeklies before speed already 
light notch
when does end game get fun
stable basin
80
70 is pretty good too cuz the side content there is fun imo
But 80 is when you have a full kit
light notch
tried that
stable basin
What content have you actually tried
stable basin
what to do while waiting for endwalker?
frank quiver
Barse E9S-E12S, get Bozja flex mount, prog Ult's? I assume those are the main endgame activities for now.
Speaking of which-- how do folks 'trial' for Ult's? I'm planning to recruit for TEA, and a friend who made a static before says she trialed folks by doing old raids with them (to farm for TEA BiS). Is that common? Or do people jump into TEA, prog for a while, and say 'adieu' if it doesn't work out?
stable basin
I'm not interested in any ultimate stuffs and the relic weapon sadly. But am guessing gonna do the glamour for the endgame by then.
frank quiver
Good glams might take a while, ye. It doesn't seem hard, but it seems like a grind. I just buy off the MB.
stable basin
Speaking of which-- how do folks 'trial' for Ult's? I'm planning to recruit for ...
Ideally you queue into some content the trial has never done before to see how well they can learn, adapt, and keep their rotation going while taking in new information. Often that's just done in the fight that's being trialed for, but not always.
Doing other raids is sometimes done as well, dumping someone who hasn't done E4S for a year (or at all) can give you pretty good results
frank quiver
That's fair, but we don't have that many folks yet. A lot of trials seem to have 7/8 players ready to go with only one person being trialed, but I'm not sure how we'd individualize trials when recruiting four folks at once with different experiences. It feels like the run would be too unpredictable to judge anyone specifically. 🤔
'Tis an awkward number of "too big to join a group" and "too little to be a static," orz.
I was wondering if the community had a trial standard or the like that I was overlooking. Ty for the response!
gloomy night
what to do while waiting for endwalker?
get all of the relics
frank quiver
I'm not interested in any ultimate stuffs and the relic weapon sadly.
gloomy night
unsub, you save your money too.
verbal oak
Historically, what was the hardest heal check in the game?
lyric summit
probably almagest after some of the grand cross mechanics
verbal oak
oh yeah that was a heal check unsynched
quick verge
healing the mt in world of darkness (final boss)
stable basin
Hardest heal check would be in ults, no?
stable basin
True
stable wasp
alma felt harder than terminal but at the same time i never did terminal below 520 lol
verbal oak
so whats the gear treadmill like when an Expac has launched but there's no raids yet?
wheat marsh
unlock tome gear beating MSQ
verbal oak
so it was just goetia gear, no phatasma gear right?
verbal oak
ah, so it would be like how it is today with allegory and rev?
wheat marsh
pretty much, though a 450 cap instead of 900
verbal oak
and theres crafted gear too?
sinful brook
you get the uncapped tome for the tier
the capped tome gets added with the savage raid tier
wheat marsh
i dont remember crafted gear right away but it's been 3 years
verbal oak
kk
stable basin
Historically, what was the hardest heal check in the game?
Typically some pre-enrage BS from 4th floor savage at min ilvl
Brute Justice J-waves
Neo Exdeath raidwide spam
Final Omega's Program Omega
Eden Titan's Earthen Fury+Tumult spam
Terminal relativity
Also J-waves in TEA and arguably just keeping your tanks alive in p1/p2
Terminal Relativity cast incidentally is the hardest-hitting raidwide relative to max hp ever, it hits something like 210k+ raw and required 4 10% mits + shields to survive at min ilvl
Even Golden Bahamut Morn Afahs only require 3 10%s + shields
verbal oak
ah ok, did they have to like alrternate GCD's just to keep up with the sheer damage or was it a big one-and done?
drowsy agate
in terminal rel's case, it's like 12 something raidwides back to back
stable basin
HPS in my first e12s clear
drowsy agate
the huge initial one, then another raidwide every couple seconds after
repeat 12 times
12ish
can't remember exactly how many but it's a lot
stable basin
Even the sch is mostly just spam healing
Everyone gets 2 or 3 spell in waiting quietus on them
so it's like 20 raidwides on top of the terminal cast and then three big casted raidwides
drowsy agate
yeah lol
here's our healing done for our first e12s clear
nice spike at the end
sinful brook
Each person gets 3 of the quietus stacks
Still sorta rough on healers
Especially in pf
Since mit coordination
drowsy agate
lol 51k and 47k HPS for just terminal rel section
granted, we were almost certainly overcompensating because well, it was our first clear
stable basin
it's scary af
quick verge
don’t look at your hp bar
stable basin
iirc we used tank lb for last shockwave
quick verge
lb1?
stable basin
yea
quick verge
fair
stable basin
or maybe second since it would last 🤔
also the J-waves in TEA are very nasty, that's where I've seen PLD unironically just hold down wings
quick verge
yeah…
my pld would hold down wings at like j-wave 9 or something
if someone randomly exploded
drowsy agate
what phase is j-wave
drowsy agate
we're progging limit cut now and just surviving water tumult is pain
drowsy agate
is that possible
quick verge
yeah
drowsy agate
so basically LL dies before the end of protean 2?
stable basin
nope
drowsy agate
or just one dead counts
stable basin
You usually just burn LL after a hand of pain
drowsy agate
when is the hand of pain during the prot 2 section?
we're able to get to prot 2 reliably and then we're muddy
quick verge
uhhh
drowsy agate
haven't gotten a clean limit cut yet
quick verge
hand of pain is like after protean 2 ?
a bit
and the previous one is after like
1st splash?
it’s been a while
drowsy agate
so by the time prot 2 start we can just start nuking LL?
quick verge
yeah
drowsy agate
interesting
quick verge
pretty much
stable basin
yeah, but you'll have to kill at the close/far they do after
cuz there's another hand of pain there
drowsy agate
maybe it's just me but i'm being fkin greedy there with thunder on both + foul
guess i can just focus on LL
quick verge
it’s fine to do earlier in the phase, but burning down LL if the rest of your group is on the same page is better
stable basin
guess i can just focus on LL
you can just focus ll but you want that 2 target for pad 
drowsy agate
yeah we'll prob be able to optimize more once we stop dying to prot 2
we're pretty clean now up to then, jagd dolls took us a while to figure out
stable basin
yeah dolls is expected to take a minute
quick verge
several minutes
drowsy agate
idk if the rest of y'all play BLM there but I feel like I optimized jagd dolls
usually i'll fire 1 to refresh, 2 fire 4 and then scathe/fire 1/fire 3 depending how much HP is left and if I have a proc
at this point I only wipe us there if f4 dcrits twice
stable basin
dull radish
with how alignment was when I first did the fight on a crit set originally, I was doing F3 -> F4x2, and if both F4's dh + crit that was all I needed. Forgot what exact casts I ended up doing on a sps set but involved letting the BRD clip my doll with apex. Not a big fan of "if it dh crits twice we wipe" or just generally leaving the possibility of a dh/crit potentially wiping, but yeah
consistency is just so much more useful, even if something only caused a wipe once I shifted what I did for thresholds to make it guaranteed. Since even if it's a relatively infrequent wipe, it's the kind of thing that can add up to more lost time than you realize (especially if you're not the only one with that kind of thresholding for safe damage on dolls)
drowsy agate
it only happened once in prog so far and i wasn't expecting it
it's not likely to wipe us again even with two dcrits
i jsut got in the habit of not casting fire 4 if the doll is anywhere under 40% HP
it'll probably be a fire 1 + scathe or some shit at that point
but I don't have the luxury of letting a BRD clip the doll with apex since we don't have a BRD
i think our dancer is avoiding using standard there too
i'm using the 475 balanced set btw, honestly didn't want to farm out all of the sps set and I already had most of the crit set to begin with
dull radish
yeah I dunno where people end up with more current sets, especially with relic
drowsy agate
oh i don't have relic lol
too much effort
i'll have relic eventually i guess but edengrace is beyond fine for now
dull radish
my experience was the crit BiS from that previous raid tier, and then when I went back in later on it was a high sps set but not really specifically a listed one
just so happened that in that situation with the sps set that I was running, the BRD accidentally clipped my doll like once or twice and the damage worked out nicely so I asked him to keep doing it
but without that I would have sorted something else out yeah
drowsy agate
i'm sure you're aware but
man it feels awful to use scathe
1 gcd, throws off fire phase, 800 mana doesn't line up evenly unless you hit it twice
dull radish
yeah, 400MP scathe would make it so much more usable. Still something not to press in most situations other than like on those dolls, but it wouldn't just feel as terrible
drowsy agate
or have it refresh fire phase like umbral soul does for ice phase, idk
dull radish
can't say I'd really care for any more non-damaging GCDs
devout sparrow
Question. My wife and I pre ordered endwalker and it hasn't taken out any of the money on her card. Will it come out in november?
verbal oak
yep
devout sparrow
Thank you. We were wondering why we never saw the charge on her card
verbal oak
theres an option to charge now iirc
devout sparrow
Oh lol. I rather wait till November
verbal oak
fair enough
dire hinge
if you charge now, it gives you a minion and an earring that increases exp gained up to level 80 by 30% that you can use immediately
dire hinge
oh i wasnt able to get mine for some reason until it charged
rain field
verbal oak
zadnor was pretty good esp compared to the lvl 80 raids
i just leveled to 25 with the fates/CE's and did the rest with raids
nova socket
normal raids is faster but zadnor you get to level at the same time
vale vine
Anyone know if Lost Excellence works against Gabriel's Fully Analyzed?
Or does it have to be Manawall or a tank invuln
reef otter
It works
twin mica
any bard main here? I have a dps questiong
twin mica
it's about the endgame rotation for highest dps output
twin mica
Thank u, I wanted to learn the proper rotation because I have heard it's difficult to keep up dps wise vs ninja, samurai, blackmage etc... not sure if this is through imbalance or just more complex rotation
verbal oak
nah
it's through ranged tax
bc you can be far away and move without interrupting your output
so ranged can only do so much damage bc it's easier to do said damage
that being said I main MCH and i'm good enough to where i outdps most melee bc i know my rotation
early on in a fight, esp high end content, phys ranged don't have to learn uptime strats or greed gcd's
twin mica
so ranged is usually behind melee dps?
verbal oak
in a perfect world yeah, by like 2% lol
twin mica
but blackmage is quite high. Hmmm
verbal oak
yeah
but blm doesnt like having to move
and high end content took that personally lol
twin mica
true it's stationary and super easy to die on lol
verbal oak
yep, if casters or melee greed too much their dps goes down, death kills your DPS
whereas ranged gang avoided the aoe 
twin mica
Bard looks so fun I am just worried picking it up because I feel like there could be a better dps option.
verbal oak
!faq meta
storm frostBOT
verbal oak
if you wanna play bard do it
the only person stopping you is yourself (and people who want DNC but those guys suck anyways you don't wanna hang out with them)
twin mica
I can play music on the bard and have nice combat animations hahaha so this what interests me a lot
verbal oak
yep, drill and the mech drew me to MCH
vocal dirge
hey anyone know what the stat spread should be for the WHM resistance weapon? im at the augmentation part of the upgrade quest
vocal dirge
piety doesnt do much?
vocal dirge
kk thanks for the advice
verbal oak
most "optimal" builds dont have any piety in them to increase DPS
vocal dirge
so this instead?
verbal oak
but thats like super high end stuff
vocal dirge
verbal oak
yep!
vocal dirge
kk
visual geyser
Bard looks so fun I am just worried picking it up because I feel like there coul...
Play bard
Expansion is over who even cares about job damage
In a few months job dps could be flipped on it’s head
twin mica
So there is a chance that they will buff the bard?
stable basin
Even if it gets buffed, it wont really be on the same level as melees
twin mica
blackmage is a high dps range though
verbal oak
when we say ranged we mean phys ranged
twin mica
oh my bad
verbal oak
magic ranged is casters
all good
we just shorten it to make it easier on ourselves
casters have a cast bar, which means they need to stand still to do stuff, making some mechanics harder
twin mica
you can make music as a bard this is so cool, I saw a band of 2 miqo'te make such cool music this made me consider playing bard hahaha
pastel cobalt
I actually unlocked Bard specifically for that lol
twin mica
If it is too bad I could always go for Samurai right? there are no special requirements to change from bard to Samurai like a previous class if I read correct? Others need another job levelled first
quick verge
there aren't any special requirements for other jobs
just unlock them
can change freely to any other job
outside of like the HW expansion jobs needing you to reach ishgard
frank quiver
Is there a guide out there that tells you how much damage each raidwide, TB, etc. hits for?
verbal oak
not so much
sometimes there will be delineations like "use partywide defensive CD's"
but if you watch a guide you can see for yourself
frank quiver
Can you see the raw # the boss hits for in a video? I might have overlooked it since XIV has a lot of effects and numbers going off.
verbal oak
nah since it changes a little each time
its more of "heavy light medium" for raidwide
frank quiver
Aw okay, thanks!
verbal oak
hope that explanation helps!
sinful brook
Can you see the raw # the boss hits for in a video? I might have overlooked it s...
theres a mitigation calculator available for the fights of this tier
frank quiver
I see, I could look for that as well. Tyty.
light notch
is ff endgame still boring af
sinful brook
Depends on what you find boring
light notch
anything thats not fun
sinful brook
Thats... not exactly helpful. What don't you find fun
And what part of endgame have you found boring
round needle
Quick question: Is there a LB gauge penalty for running 2 ranged 2 caster?
round needle
ok thanks
stable basin
Thats... not exactly helpful. What don't you find fun
They were saying the same thing a week ago and didnt bother elaborating then either
Sounds like someone who just wants to say its boring for the sake of it
stable basin
Is there a 'best job' for the bozjan haste gear?
Thought BLM but not sure which job would benefit most. Think of getting a set.
torn kindle
Technically all the jobs benefit from it since it’s the only gear that makes you better in bozja
Even for jobs that don’t normally like a faster GCD
quick verge
a job like blm would be a contender for gaining the most from haste gear
probably other jobs like whm, sch
torn kindle
Maybe the tanks too
quick verge
tanks also get a fair amount
for pld, you get more atonements and a 6cd req, at the cost of your rotation looking like you don't know how to play the job
drk and war generate more gauge
gnb gets more casts of gnashing
in addition to just gaining several gcds over the encounter
lyric summit
6 gcd IR? 
quick verge
full aug bozja + earrings aren't enough for 6gcd ir iirc
need like full aug law's order
lyric summit
I hope next expansion eureka gear/skills interact with job resources like wow does it i think
double gauge gain or something
lyric summit
normal gcd but infuriate gives you 100 gauge
and all combos too
mix up the play style for the lolz inside an eureka zone
torn kindle
Yeah the other tanks need Impetus to make use of it
finite plank
oh
i thought there was some weird timing trick for other tanks to do to trigger blood rage
quick verge
nah
press first gapcloser immediately
wait until duration almost expires on blood rage 2
hit next gap closer
then hit final gap closer when it comes up
torn kindle
Meanwhile war is just “Hehe use Onslaught three times in a row”
zenith ravine
Can I have like a whole party of people that will not wipe on farm e12s farm? All day I was doing that and it was impossible... The most far I went was dual apoc, because the pld was not baiting under her
zenith ravine
welcome to late tier PF
if I play with friends, they need on chest piece even if they have their BiS
quick verge
pray to ur fav god
frank quiver
LOL. I've been passing on the chest piece because I have the SpS BLM build, and I figured others needed it more. Your friends are incredible.
frank quiver
It's a cute, smiling cat burger of judgment. 
errant sinew
will there be any more info dumps before launch?
sinful brook
Yes, we'll have the media embargo and skills showcase prior to launch
torn kindle
Those will probably be in September/October
worldly obsidian
what's the very first entry level endgame raid experience for ff14?
quick verge
level 80 ex trials
chrome cobalt
extremes
quick verge
they're active enough to get bodies, and they're not too hard
worldly obsidian
is there challenging/fun raid content in stormblood?
quick verge
yea, ultimates
drifting verge
Yeah the ultimates are like THE big endgame
worldly obsidian
ok but i'm a noob 😄
i'm looking at this extreme thordan run, seems like everyone is lvl60?
drifting verge
Oh for extremes they are synched to the level the endgame AT THAT TIME was
dusty dirge
How was OG Pepsiman compared to ultimate raids lol
verbal oak
no the suped-up one
quick verge
the hardest part of pepsi boy isn't even from his original fight
nova socket
true
stable basin
Original Pepsiman is a joke mechanically
Just overtuned on launch
And no cd reset on wipe
chrome cobalt
back then drainage tether wasnt passing as simple as it is now in tea
also needing to combine heavying adds
torn kindle
I mean the hand mechanic stuff with the debuffs was pretty jank due to expansion launch lag
thick sonnet
so what's better timewise to get for bis? edenmorn or augmented cryptlurker?
quick verge
if you’re only using one then it’s not bis
if you want time efficiency for highest ilvl then farm savage
only applies if you can enter farm parties
frank quiver
Did people like E4S? I dislike Titan’s shtick of assigning colors (yellow, orange, blue). It’s my least favorite part of E12S P1 as well. Should I expect this sort of mechanic to pop up frequently?
torn kindle
it's pretty heavily used in phase 1 and the raised platform mini-phases
frank quiver
Yeye. It feels gimmicky to me, but I guess all mechanics are a gimmick, lmao. Maybe I’ll grow fond of it.
supple sail
Generally the concept of assigning each player a unique debuff to be resolved is common in Savage
Though often just in the form of a debuff on your debuff bar rather than an overhead marker
But it's essentially the same thing
stable basin
people didn't like e4s much while it was current because it's a 3 minute fight followed by an 11 minute cutscene
stable basin
you did all the relevant mechanics in the first 3 minutes then you had to sit there doing nothing important for 11 more minutes before you got your loot
frank quiver
Oh, the elevation and cleave mechanics in P2?
Fair enough. It does seem slower paced than P1.
quick verge
there's also the shit fuck p3 but nobody talks about that
stable basin
p3 is just p2 mechanics except now baby titan is sitting on the table and also not really doing anything
thick sonnet
if you’re only using one then it’s not bis
so like full edenmorn / full augmented crypt is better than mix and match right?
stable basin
bis is always a mix and match
here's one of the drk bis sets for example
(tanks are also sometimes using an augmented crafted ring this tier, as are rdm/smn afaik)
torn kindle
healers do the same too i think
sinful brook
on some sets like the 2.48 caster set you take the tome ring
the edenmorn ring seems to have been scrapped though with the addition of the 535 relic
since you can grab the sps you need that way
stable basin
scholar has aug exarchic shoes
And blade hands
It also went back up to 2.41 after being 2.32/1 for most of this tier
plush escarp
Hi
verbal oak
o/
sinful oar
ok
severe breach
just glamours at endg-
lament skiff
hey, do you guys do DR savage runs?
verbal oak
#resources has Crystal exploritory missions, which does those
glossy musk
Yeah easiest way is via the DC discord’s since they require large groups
Of preferably room temp or above IQs
quick verge
sinful brook
also it hasn't been spoilered at all
normal blade
deft field
if you arent endgame where do you discuss that? im a hella noob
verbal oak
quick verge
#beginner-lounge prob
errant sinew
Are they changing SMN for xpac?
errant sinew
I mean like significantly
ruby marsh
we dunno yet
errant sinew
good hope they drop the pet skills
still inlet
The only thing that's even been alluded to re: pet changes is there being a supposed good reason for egi glamours not having been implemented. Otherwise the rest is all unknowns. We're waiting for the actions trailer and the media tour.
The base expectation should be to anticipate big changes. If there aren't, then it'll be a surprise
errant sinew
what do you take for DNC loadout in Dalriada?
quick verge
beast assassinate dervish
frank quiver
What's the community's opinion on Eden as a whole?
(I'm not looking to start discourse; I just figured a community consensus would help me set expectations for raiding, since I joined late SHB.)
verbal oak
I'm not done with it yet (farmed e10s last night starting e11s later this week), and i joined late so I had echo, but overall i felt each fight did things really well, my only gripes being e7's camera shenanagies and some minor spacing issues. each fight brought something unique to the table, and E12s bringing back a lot of elements from the rest of the tier (literally) and spicing them up felt like a natural sendoff, with solid rewards for each one.
drowsy agate
What's the community's opinion on Eden as a whole?
(I'm not looking to start dis...
well, if you're looking for expectations of raiding
eden9-12 as a whole has a lot more outgoing raidwide damage than previous e1-4 and e5-e8
the difficulty isn't that much more difficult mechanics-wise
e9s is a lot harder than e5s IMO but both are relatively easy
e9s is a great raid to get your feet wet in savage
if you've never done savage content before, consider trying Diamond EX first
see how you like that one
if you haven't ever done current EX content before then literally nothing in the game has prepared you for savage
it's an entirely different ballpark than the casual stuff you've done in story/normal raids
i enjoyed last tier a lot more than this tier FYI
e8s was harder than e12s
stray elk
How long does it take usually for ultimate world 1st clear?
stray elk
oh ok
blazing umbra
14 year WoW veteran switching to FFXIV. I want to tank, and I want to do whatever this games highest PvE content is, like comparable to WoW Cutting Edge Mythic. Is there a disparaging difference in tanks? I see all these ratings saying Gunbreaker is best, but is it a huge difference to the others? Or can I just play what I want even at high level?
storm frostBOT
blazing umbra
Big sword boi it is.
frank quiver
if you've never done savage content before, consider trying Diamond EX first
Oh, I’ve cleared this tier. I was trying to set expectations for the upcoming raids to come. Ty for the response!
drowsy agate
bring your sprouts into e9s
and watch them suffer
for real though e9s is great to get people to try savage
or take them to diamond first if you want to give them a cushion
verbal oak
14 year WoW veteran switching to FFXIV. I want to tank, and I want to do whateve...
do be somewhat forewarned that story is gonna be the main thing you're doing for a while, the tier itself is pretty old so focusing on the story and getting caught up for endwalker (since you need to beat shadowbringers story)
solid cairn
welp now that I finished msq and I'm trying to get BiS gear, I realize that the actual endgame is queue times
frank quiver
Yeah. Waiting for PF's to fill up. :')
quick verge
What's the community's opinion on Eden as a whole?
(I'm not looking to start dis...
fucking sucks
mystic plaza
What's the community's opinion on Eden as a whole?
(I'm not looking to start dis...
i wouldnt write home about it
drowsy agate
is there a way to force target a specific monster?
to make it easier for myself to target living hand as soon as it spawns
in TEA
quick verge
not that I know of outside of tab
frank quiver
Aw RIP, I guess it's a good thing I have more to look forward to, at least.
drowsy agate
any ways to target things easier when jagd dolls are up?
maybe a macro that sets a focus and immediately targets it?
i'm using a "target the offtank's target" macro right now
stable basin
i'm using a "target the offtank's target" macro right now
what is this for? to provoke or something?
oh it’s not tank channel, but still for which reason?
drowsy agate
this is for targeting living hand after jagd dolls spawn in TEA
drowsy agate
the problem with targeting offtank's target is that it forces her to not switch target ever
and enmity list means I might make mistakes lol
daring dome
i would just focus target the hand
and then later just press a shortcut button to target it
i have mine on mouse wheel click so its pretty handy
drowsy agate
is there a macro that can set the hand as focus?
still inlet
Unless there's some obscure true name variable like older games would have (they do have some older mmo commands like /assist), I would just shift+f the hand
upper zephyr
Unless there's some obscure true name variable like older games would have (they...
chupapi muñañyo
next stump
hey all, transitioning from raid leading in wow to raid leading for savage here. I know we're not really supposed to try and 1-to-1 Mythic and Savage but just a small question:
In Mythic you try and focus gear dps over tanks/healers to clear counters/mechanics faster. Does something like this exist in ff14? Or is it just roll need on any token/gear you need, roles be damned?
torn kindle
with the tier being completely unlocked, it's a free for all for the most part.
When the tier has the weekly restrictions, generally goes to whichever classes has that slot as their BiS, with an edge to DPS.
next stump
tyty
stable basin
when a Savage tier is still fresh & locked, in statics the DPS will get fed gear first
then Tanks or healers depending on the tier i think
in PF, it's a free for all
next stump
sounding similar to wow in that regard then
drowsy agate
also, prioritizing DPS over tanks and healers isn't completely necessary either
if you were a week 1 or week 2 clear-this-fucking-tier-ASAP raid team, it can help your team a lot
but in the long run if you're a midcore static you should be fine just having everyone roll and gear whatever
if you just want to raid 2 or 3 nights a week and clear the tier whenever then it won't really matter that much whether you feed your DPS first or not
gusty valley
hey so I recently finished the game. I finished The Cloud Deck (normal). And i'm unsure how to get started on end game stuff. Like what's next? Should I run through the eden missions? Is high end duty a normal place to grind for gear? I just don't know what to do from here if I want to learn how to raid
quick verge
buy HQ exarchic gear from the market board if you have the funds, do the eden raids, do the nier raids
and do expert + other cap content to get tomestones
buy tome gear, and you can step into cloud deck ex for an i525 weapon
gusty valley
gotcha. Are duties fine to do for cloud deck and eden or PF?
gusty valley
nice. thank you!
wanton fossil
why is there a separate channel for endgame and glamour, glamour is the endgame
lyric summit
here you go, most original joke of the decade never heard it before i'm rolling on the floor laughing
quick verge
why is there a separate channel for endgame and glamour, glamour is the endgame
genius tweet, oomfie
daring dome
i laughed so hard im spitting blood while parsing 99 on glamour review
inland forge
Is this the right channel to vent about field notes?
fresh marlin
solid cairn
i finally got my ilvl 515 resistance weapon for drk, what refinement stats do I go for?
is this good?
serene lotus
Ye
solid cairn
ty
time to spend the next 2 days in zadnor grinding the next step :c
wait it has no materia slots :(
torn kindle
the custom stats give more you overall stats than if it was a regular weapon with slots
solid cairn
ohh
errant sinew
are bozjan mythril coins only for trading in for platinum coins?
quick verge
ye
errant sinew
also what is a good loadout for DRG in dalriada?
quick verge
beast
assassinate
honored sacrifice
fierce root
can anyone help fly me to get my aether for shadowlands
nova socket
wrong game
vocal dirge
anyone know the proper stat spread for the final refinement for the WHM resistance weapon?
keen mauve
I'm gonna be running through Seat of Sacrifice EX tonight for the first time as a Red Mage, and I was wonderin if anyone has any specific tips regarding it beyond "know the boss patterns and don't get hit 4head."
I don't think my FC will clear it once tonight, but we might.
spiral meadow
For the step after the ilvl 515 relic, which is basically those 3x 60 items, I'm planning to do zadnor until I get rank 25 and then do the raids, is that worth it?
Rn im rank 18 in bozja
quick verge
yeah pretty worth
spiral meadow
I can do zadnor as well to level a job thats above 71 right?
So that'll be hitting two birds with a single stone
quick verge
yep
spiral meadow
Ayy ty
keen mauve
Update: we cleared SoS three times in 2.5 hours!
drowsy agate
I'm gonna be running through Seat of Sacrifice EX tonight for the first time as ...
no one's really optimizing EX content fyi
so you probably won't find too many big brain tips
other than quite literally "know the boss patterns and don't get hit 4head"
but congrats on your clears, sos ex is my favorite EX fight this whole expansion
keen mauve
Figured I’d ask just in case, i was real nervous. Thank ya, though
drowsy agate
that's kinda the downside of doing content that's heavily powercrept
sos ex was tuned for i480 and now people are in i520
naturally the fight's going to be a lot easier and most of its later mechanics are skippable
I bet you guys didn't even see all 4 add set summons
even on release, parties were able to skip the 3rd or 4th set if they were doing well
I ran it again a few weeks ago for shits and giggles and now you can clear easily before quintuplecast
thorn plaza
lapis light
I finished msq around two-ish weeks ago and I have no idea what to do now. Please don't say raid because daily alliance is enough for me
verbal oak
I finished msq around two-ish weeks ago and I have no idea what to do now. Pleas...
!faq contentunlock
storm frostBOT
verbal oak
unlock the raids, alt classes, bozja, euerka, crafting, beast tribes, ect
also if you dont wanna do alliance raids dont do them lol
lapis light
I legitimately had a panic attack in one and sorta decided 'hey maybe raiding is not for me'
stable basin
is it worth to skip all scenes to go fast on high raids
nova socket
you're got multiple months until endwalker
nova socket
if you really don't care about story you can just buy a skip and be raid ready in 2 days
stable basin
nah dont want to use money and i want to get a pure experience
exept thats annoying that 80% of the story im on rn are useless details
nova socket
in the end there's no hurry to get to endgame
stable basin
but apparently its bad at the start anyway
i dont really have fun on the story rn so thats kinda slowing me
sinful brook
its not like it was a terrible story
many of the details do matter from a story perspective
but if you're not interested in it at all then do what you want
errant sinew
what loadout does rdm take in dalriada?
quick verge
ordained
chainspell
font of magic
a lot of ethers
maybe take cure IV in case your pt lacks healers
errant sinew
thanks
plucky kernel
what ilvl should i be for current tier savage raiding?
quick verge
i510 minimum
realistically at least 520
with augmented exarchic, and double tome cap allowing you to get tomestone gear faster
versed vapor
@subtle bone mada theres that moof strat thing for tea have you tried?
Its crazzzyy nice
I dont think p2 can get more optimized than that no?
subtle bone
<@141380340064321536> mada theres that moof strat thing for tea have you tried?
https://ff14.toolboxgaming.space/?id=127414599315951&preview=1 in my most recent static we used this one
yea it was really good
finish p2 with around 19k
versed vapor
Yeah like that!
versed vapor
finish p2 with around 19k
O wat did you play?
subtle bone
summoner
subtle bone
our p1 kill time was a bit slower but we skip super jump in p2 so i held fbt for p3
subtle bone
o its easy but depends when u finish p1
subtle bone
yea its to open with bahamut and have phoenix right after
but the phoenix u can either delay or not
subtle bone
i delay phoenix
cause i cant get the fbt off in the end anyway
if i do, then i have nothing in p3
versed vapor
Ohhh may i ask by how much?
subtle bone
i use fbt 1 gcd before bait
versed vapor
Phoenix comes up after optical sight chakrams right
subtle bone
so bahamut > devotion > fbt (enums)
subtle bone
i do
versed vapor
Ohhh im quite confused bc i open with bahamut and phoenix comes up after you move in to dodge the optical sight after chakrams
Is that incorrect?
subtle bone
yea u can delay that bird a little bit
versed vapor
Ohhhh
subtle bone
i like to use my egi assault there
cause you'll be 2/2
if u bird u will have 2/2 after
versed vapor
Yeahhh I have been dropping using devotion bc P1 kill time is early
subtle bone
o
versed vapor
It doesnt come back where I want it to for P2
subtle bone
sometimes we kill p1 fast
versed vapor
Which is when you come in for the 1hp thing
subtle bone
i still devotion while people are in position for water /lightning
moving my pet center
cause if u have a 90 sec itll line up there
u really want to use it there
subtle bone
yea i just delay fbt a bit after bahamut so i can devotion and use egi assault
versed vapor
i like to use my egi assault there
Oh spend it all during nisi pass and use fbt on enums!?
subtle bone
ic
first nisi pass yea
thats what i do :p
i wait for tri d to come up before i fbt so i can
versed vapor
Ohhh use fbt on enums and spam egi on first pass
subtle bone
use double tri d
versed vapor
Ohhhh double DoT
subtle bone
yea.. just easier for me
subtle bone
yea you'll have fbt until 2nd water goes off then can double dot into hitting plasma shield
then dwt during gavel stack into bahamut (p2 ends)
subtle bone
the alternative is using phoenix asap and trying to use it again asap at the end
versed vapor
Bahamut