#endgame-lounge

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subtle bone
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yes

verbal oak
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its 2 totems since theres not checkpoint

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but yeah its... pretty easy

halcyon moss
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Do you guys spend your tomestones of allegory on anything specific? ^^" i've been capped at 2k for a while I'm thinking I should be spending them... not sure what though

steady pebble
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if you don't need gear, can just use allegory to buy crafting materials to sell

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the ones that cost 20 allegory per are generally decent sellers with spirit extract being the most common since its needed for pots

verbal oak
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rn i use mine to grab cheapo 520 gear

halcyon moss
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Ah, for sure thank you!!

dusty dirge
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In terms of DPS/Mitigation for tanks

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ranksS?

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DPS -> War/GNB/PLD/DRK?

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Mitigation?

verbal oak
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all are about the same

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for dps and mit

dusty dirge
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interesting

verbal oak
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some people complain that DRK and WAR feel too similar

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since all the tanks need to have the same baseline stuff to do all the content equally

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PLD doesnt even use cover

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bc everyone just tank swaps instead

mortal stone
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There is a “ranking” of tank damage but it’s such a minimal difference between the 4 that it really doesn’t matter

stable basin
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DPS, GNB>>PLD=DRK>WAR

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WAR/DRK have more mitigation than GNB/PLD generally speaking

mortal stone
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My cotank WAR consistently out damages me even though I’m pld. Most of it is player skill

fresh marlin
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Small point: having a load of idiots in PF means it will be a pain. If someone dies at certain points it might even be irrecoverable

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If everyone can vaguely think though then yeah it’s decently simple

solid rampart
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uhhh, any way of getting gear thats not doing weekly lockout for tomes? bec i wanna join actual extreme/savage content but everyone needs 515ilvl or higher. sadly im 512 but nobody is really doing old content to gear up so it feels like im forced to get 515 before anything

serene lotus
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Upgrade i510 crafted gear to i520

solid rampart
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wait thats possible with exarchic gear?

serene lotus
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Ye

solid rampart
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where at?

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in eulmore?

serene lotus
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Ye

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The counter between all the crafting stuff and materia melders, forgot the npc name

solid rampart
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hillicen?

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gear exchange

serene lotus
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Yes

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Requires a few hundred of the non-weekly locked tomes

solid rampart
serene lotus
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And do be careful about picking gear pieces, it's easy to mess up

solid rampart
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uhhh im just wondering how to get these

serene lotus
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Crystalline rain you buy from that npc

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And certificates you also get from that npc by trading in exarchic gear

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1 HQ piece will be enough to trade for the corresponding i520 piece

solid rampart
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you are a life saver

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thank you so much LOL

torn fiber
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👍

inland granite
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For Mitigation -> PLD = WAR > DRK = GNB.

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Dmg does depend on the fight for PLD and WAR. Some fights WAR outdamages PLD but iirc most fights PLD slightly outdamages WAR.

quick verge
inland granite
quick verge
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  1. rdps sucks for tanks
  2. there isn't a sample of good players after 5.5
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war gets a slight buff, but it's still worse than pld, and by proxy, drk

inland granite
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I mean aDPS is the same.

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WAR is not worse in terms of damage. They also have good alignment for fights like E11S which can help them even out damage PLD.

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Good players still play the game. Sadly no Ultimate to keep others though. :c

quick verge
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max dps on drk being 1k down from .4 to .5 isnt representative of the job’s full potential

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in 11s

inland granite
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That's fair. That's a good point.

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That's a shame then. Judging by that even with the potency buffs DRK would still be above WAR.

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If scaled from 5.4

quick verge
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ye

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job's better, but it still falls a bit short from the others

inland granite
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I'm interested in how they optimized. Probably gonna go see if those logs are still up. Might be able to steal some tech.

sinful brook
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a lot of it just happens to be good alignment with minute burst and being able to dump damage into it

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dark knight has BW and edge dumping that lend itself to having extra damage during things like trick/tech/div

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all war has is maybe 1-2 inner chaos inside each trick window

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and a couple cleaves

inland granite
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That makes sense. Having a 60sec, 90sec and 120sec, does help hit within raid buffs.

stable basin
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People really out there acting like WAR buffs are what made DRK suddenly do less aDPS than PLD

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top e9s drk right now is just monke brain hit edge whenever he feels like it

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this is what playing drk correctly looks like

subtle marsh
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Why are they so different

inland granite
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I'm on xivanalysis for Nirvana and I get what you mean.

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One is hitting it within raid buffs

stable basin
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Because the top guy doesn't know what he's doing

inland granite
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The other is hitting it just when they have 3k mana

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Or more

subtle marsh
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I'm so confused. How come the top. E9s gets away with playing so badly?

stable basin
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Because this

inland granite
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Oh...

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Almost 40% crit

subtle marsh
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My brain is smol. I see numbers but I. Don't understand what I'm looking for/at contextually.

stable basin
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crit/dh rates

quick verge
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they crit more than average

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so they get good log

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even if suboptimal play

inland granite
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The crit rates for Edge of Shadow are 50%...

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Wtf

stable basin
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For reference, DRK bis puts you around 27.5% crit rate and 14% DH rate

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You should be a bit higher especially on edge because crit buffs

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ofc he didn't really care about using edge in raidbuffs

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But yeah the drks might not be sending their best right now

subtle marsh
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Oh I see, because of rng.

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Or not rng? Just good static?

inland granite
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That's wild. This explains quite a bit actually.

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I feel so misinformed about this class.

stable basin
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He has perfect killtime and perfect comp

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And insane RNG

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e10s is same deal, some guy with perfect comp/killtime and good rng pressing edge randomly

quick verge
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getting outskilled that hard is so arousing

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innit

stable basin
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:^)

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Not even doing the proper buff alignment for that killtime

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8:30 and they just use stuff on cd then hold the last set

subtle marsh
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When doing reprog on a different class, is the priority still the same? Mechs> damage?

I feel a bit conflicted with this in that if I already know the fight, but am essentially just translating what I know onto a new class, wouldn't it make logical sense to try get comfortable in trying to dish out the damage?

Idk if I'm explaining this right.

But I'm reprogging on black mage, and I have an understanding of the basic fundamentals of the class. But in regards to how I use my tools to maintain uptime (and enochian) I'm at a bit of a loss. I understand how to resolve mechs in the savage tier I am reprogging already, it's just a matter of learning how to tie in consistency with output.

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This came out a bit more convoluted than I intended.

subtle bone
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Optimizing your damage and the mechs go hand in hand.. you got the mechs down so just need to plan your stuff (for blm just movement spells and leylines)

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Those things have already been optimized too so you would study it like you would for your main job

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I would say knowing the mechs is the biggest part

supple sail
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Like...don't die?

subtle marsh
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That makes sense. I understand where I need to drop leylines, but I guess I haven't progged 9 enough yet to where I can say x will be up at y mech.

So overall it's just a practice and consistency thing?

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Idk dying is easy when you try new things

supple sail
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And yeah adapting your new job to the mechs and maximising dps are basically the same endeavour

subtle marsh
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Or when you get killed. :)

stable basin
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I do a looot of alt job trapping in uwu and it usually boils down to the same process which might not actually be helpful

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Which is: I know the mechanics but not my rotation

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I do the "basic" rotation and see if things fit nicely or are close to fitting

subtle bone
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Yea thats pretty much it

stable basin
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Like on BLM if I do standard opener I notice I have a ton of mana left when plumes spawn, and I dump with flare

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So I change to no B4 opener and that makes me waste less

subtle bone
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If youre new to casting in general itll be hard

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No doubt about that

subtle marsh
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I cleared on astro first.

stable basin
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If I don't have triplecast for a mechanic I'd like to have it on, I think about when I last used it and see if I can push things around and get better uptime without holding it too much

subtle marsh
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So thankfully it's not terrible.

subtle bone
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True

stable basin
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Ideally you have a handle on when burst windows and such are happening, though that's less relevant with blm than pretty much anything else

subtle marsh
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And that makes sense, cats.
I think I just struggle with being more open to the idea that I have more options available to me than I realize.

Like say for brambles, if be mid cast when they'd drop and it was either drop enochian or delay the cast. Both kind of suck as far as options go.

Didn't even think to weave using the thunder proc into swift >wherever I am in the rotation.

stable basin
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Yeah I think of it, like, try to be cognizant if you're slipping into a local minima re: optimization

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if that makes sense

subtle marsh
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Yeah.

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Its a bit rough because I'll have act on and see I'm basically capped out at 16-17k dps and I know that's terrible.

stable basin
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you've also got a gear deficit ofc and blm is pretty deep even at the surface level

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and you'll be more or less innately suited to various jobs

subtle marsh
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How do you mean more innately suited?

stable basin
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In my uwu adventures I'm noticing quite a big difference in how well I perform on different jobs

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And a lot of them are jobs I don't have a history of really playing

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I got pretty good numbers on my first clears as sam or nin, but I had to try multiple times to get out of grey on smn or mnk

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you can argue that 70 nin is pretty easy, but like it's not that much easier than 70 mnk

subtle marsh
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Ah I see. That makes sense.
With blm I feel kind of back and forth in how well I play it.

Sometimes it feels very comfy other times I'm struggling to do even basic mechs

stable basin
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tfw everything lines up perfectly and you try to remember how that happened

subtle marsh
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Yes. Exactly.

subtle bone
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Watch vods to deal with specific mechs / movements that youre unsure of

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And apply them slowly, pick up small things that could become good habits

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Then itll become easier to adjust rotations and further optimize

subtle marsh
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Just gotta find some. Decent vods.

subtle bone
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Yea, i mean i do the same for my main all the time, vods/ fflogs replays (super good)

gloomy night
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is advanced relativity a forced downtime for melee?

quick verge
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it's forced downtime for everyone

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cause the boss goes untargetable

gloomy night
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ahhhh never noticed that lol

digital cedar
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is it bad if both drk and gnb are the tanks for uwu/tea? or it doesnt matter?

verbal oak
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shouldn't matter

digital cedar
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alrigh thanks!

magic beacon
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In e9s, what's the difference between Rin and Happy Brambles?
Does Rin gets more Uptime during AA?

stable basin
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Rin brambles make maneuvering around the phasers easier, and the towers kind of spooky

magic beacon
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Happy is slightly easier I think...?

stable basin
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it might be

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Rin is considered better

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But came out later

magic beacon
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Yeah, and my Aether PF all does Happy

stable basin
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though it's not a big difference either way

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prolly do happy then

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just don't do mith :^)

magic beacon
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Yeah

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Nowdays it's either Happy or Rin

magic beacon
# stable basin it might be

I think Happy is also slightly safer?
As in, if you forget knockback, you can usually run back as Happy.
In Rin, the father players gets knock off, and the closer player gets knocked into the other player, causing confusion

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In Happy you just run back then do Just Adjust magic

stable basin
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yea

subtle marsh
magic beacon
fierce bobcat
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for raw emotion step of new relic, do the dungeons have to be synced or can they be unsynced?

lyric summit
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has to be synced

magic beacon
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How do people usually do e9s brambles when parsing for high deeps?

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Do they do Rin Brambles?

stable basin
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Rin or square

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I think really high-end groups usually do square

subtle marsh
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Square looks mighty comf

stable basin
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Square is really good for speeds/parse runs because it's a given that the tanks are doing uptime shenanigans

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so one of them can just go over to the side with all the garbage on it

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cuz it's not like they need to maneuver

magic beacon
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Square? Never heard of it, time to research

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Oh my this looks hard core lol

versed vapor
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@subtle bone mada mada, do you dance the smn or the melee in TEA

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Ive only done it with 1 group soo reprog

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In my old one i got danced till P3

quick verge
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partnering the smn until p3 seems fine

subtle bone
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i would dance the smn the entire way but yea if you want.. can swap during inception

subtle bone
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melees being preferred

versed vapor
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I see

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I thought the smn qould get it since

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Dots till P2

subtle bone
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smn bursts line up really well until p4

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imo

versed vapor
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I got partnered till P3 yeah

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Till after inception after i doo burrrsts

subtle bone
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yea

versed vapor
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I see, so it depends then ahaha

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So melee is still the preferred dnc partner?

subtle bone
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yea probably for more gauge

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better alignment

gloomy night
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do you guys have a graphic for triple apoc?

stable basin
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I got uhhh

stable basin
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Hi idk where else to ask this, on E9S when you’re first assigned your clock positions, do those positions change in relation to the room if the boss is flipped after a phaser attack? Basically, do positions always correlate to the boss? I play healer and was with the other healer during a spread and got kicked, not sure if I did it wrong

subtle bone
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usually boss relative yea

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which were you doing? @stable basin

stable basin
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Well after the wide angle phaser attack the boss was pulled back to the middle but she was flipped from how she was at the start of the fight. I play a healer and I stayed on my original clock position in relation to the room, so unfortunately for her spread beam attack I ended up with the other healer and we both got one shot, I wasn’t able to ask if I did it wrong

subtle bone
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you did true north (using north of area)

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weird that they kicked you for that unless it was said in the pf description or in chat

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anyway, get used to doing boss relative

ivory sun
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NOOO

sinful brook
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? what happened

ivory sun
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So you're telling me.

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I need to overmeld gear in order to craft 510 gear.

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?

sinful brook
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it will be exceptionally difficult to craft the 4star master recipes

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without a good meldset on your crafter gear

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that said, it might be arguably better to just buy it off the market board now

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cop a bunch of cheap pieces to trade in for the augmented versions

potent spire
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could someone explain the shadow servant part of e10s?

lyric summit
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it's the same thing the boss does where the shadow indicates the angle of the mechanic, except it's centered on players instead of the boss

sinful brook
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the way that helped me process the mechanic best

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was to rotate the camera, so that it was behind the shadow

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and then i would go left or right based on the direction the boss was cleaving

lyric summit
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i used to think about it like "right cleave -> face the boss and have the shadow 'arrow' point right"

sinful brook
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yah thats the same idea just described another way

potent spire
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does it wipe the party?

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in case one (me) messes it up?

sinful brook
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If multiple people mess up yes. Nowadays 1 or 2 is survivable with gear but you get damage downs

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Part of the learning process

potent spire
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ok

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so the simplest way is

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if right giga, then stand in clockwise and left giga then stand in anticlockwise

eager vortex
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When do i pop potion of strength in PLD rotation?

quick verge
kind schooner
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when the '2 chest' e12s group doesnt have a duty complete tag

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up there with clear for a friend - i'm the friend

quick verge
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2 chest groups don't need to have cleared before

bold bluff
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I'm getting so jaded with the lions memes that I'm not even having fun anymore

sinful brook
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Lions memes? Yall are seeing lions?

serene lotus
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Yeah, you should see Channy's Shiva funtimes

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And statues prog

magic beacon
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Can you do e8s knock back mirrors without knock back immunity?

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Theoretically?

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I was thinking about the question, that if there is any mechanic in the game currently that just CANNOT be cleared without using Knockback Immunity

sinful brook
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yes you can do the mechanic correctly

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you would first dodge the actual wave coming from shiva

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then move in on the arena

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and go closer to the mirror that goes off first

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tank A at the front

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and tehn swap for the other mirror

chrome cobalt
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knockback immunity strat was figured out around 4th week

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everyone else before that cleared it without knowing that

stable basin
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if you use KB too early for shiva u go to the middle and get knocked around so u dont fall off and die

dull radish
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Even early on you'd still use kb immunity (mostly for casters/healers so you can stay cozy in mid) but it took a bit for people to start resolving it fully at the edge with everyone using kb immunity instead of running to mid to resolve it

tight escarp
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So how would one build a machines?

quick verge
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i dont understand your question

bold geyser
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Savage unlock when

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🥺

quick verge
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next patch prob

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whenever that is

torn kindle
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usually happens on x.58, which is slated for july/august

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but it might happen on 5.57, which is slated for june/july

quick verge
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x.56*

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is when it happened for creator and alphascape

torn kindle
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the road map didn't show a 5.56 so i excluded it

neat musk
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hi. does anyone have UWU waymarks?

magic beacon
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Yeah I think there is just no more 5.56?

steady pebble
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its not entirely consistent in this regards. arr had .55, .56 and .57. heavensward had .55 broken into 2 patches, with .56 and .57 and stormblood had .55, .56, .57 and .58

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probably not getting a .56 with shadowbringers

magic beacon
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I see

grand tendon
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hihi, i just got a set of Exarchic for my ast. is there a site that i can look at for materia to use?

storm frostBOT
verbal oak
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Has all the materia and other job stuff ya need

grand tendon
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oh thankies

subtle marsh
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@grand tendon

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!faq astbis

storm frostBOT
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5.4 AST BiS

BiS Spreadsheet

*Max Damage Set belfast
"Fastro" (2.30, 682/908)

*Safer but still p fest belfastest
"Need for SpellSpeed" (2.36, 682/908)

MP/150+ Ping comfy set for your PF terror needs cozy
"Best in Sloth" (2.42, 840)

* - check the spreadsheet, both of these sets can swap the crafted ring for a tome ring at no meld changes for optimum efficiency. This'll give you a little more MP to work with.

If you still need better MP than any of the above sets provide, swap Det/Sps pieces for Crit/Pie pieces in their respective slots.

yufineNo In preparation for Ultimate in 5.5, please have as many high ilvl Crit/Pie and other safe MP alternatives ready after finding your BiS. fubuking

subtle marsh
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As much as we want to send people to the balance it should be said that we have all the tools to sort out the information here at their disposal.

chrome cobalt
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joining balance is also good for the future though

grand tendon
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thank you. I'm returninng after a year and i forgot what the balance is. Iw as kinda hoping for somerhing quick and simple because my elbow feels like it's been crushed and i cant focus long enough to read through the mountain of info over on the balance

stable basin
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Theres a command for it, one sec

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Nvm

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Piety until comfort > spellspeed if u wanna hit a certain gcd > crit > det=dh > sps

warped tide
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Hi everyone, I am a new players accustomed to mmorpg especially HL content, so I was wondering what was the hardest of the current instances and starting from the beginning how much time it takes to hope to participate without being a weight for his teammates

stable basin
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Hardest content to date are Ultimates, second is the current Savage tier

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Ultimates you have to be level 70/80 and typically need a static (who also typically want to know you're capable, so usually want savage logs)

Savage tier is level 80 and requires completion of the normal raids, then unlocking savage and getting enough gear to meet min ilvl requirement

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This can be cleared in pf or with a static

stable basin
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Both require a good understanding of your job and its role. Thats the gist of it mostly

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And np

warped tide
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yeah if i coming on FFXIV it is because my friend talk me so much about boss mechanics

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i know before hl i go learn lot of things about jobs and strats ....

stable basin
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Thats good yea

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Obviously you dont need to know everything from step 1 but making an effort to learn and reading your skills carefully and stuff is good habits

warped tide
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sure 🙂

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But i'm a bit maniac and i want know everything Xd

stable basin
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Same

subtle marsh
verbal oak
warped tide
wheat marsh
chrome cobalt
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i agree at some points balance is lazy when it comes to answer specific stuff
like im not gonna read job guide just to figure out that its better to delay a 3 mins buff for 1 min at say E10S to align it with others buffs

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and thats just an example

dull radish
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I doubt that if you ask that, that people wouldn't give you an answer on it

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if it's more generic stuff that's easily explained in the guide, like base rotation kind of things, etc then sure you might get linked towards the guide instead

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but more specific things like that people are pretty willing to help more directly on haha

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(and even for simple stuff, in a lot of channels people will still answer you and then link to the guide as well)

wheat marsh
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since im bad, most of my questions are if i die and certain things wer just popped, whats my best course of action to get back on track. heaven forbid if you die after using tech step and before devilment and they desync XD

chrome cobalt
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accept the bad log

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and try again

wheat marsh
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i dont do savage so there typically isn't a log besides me looking at how bad i am XD

chrome cobalt
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death will kill your parse

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no matter where it happens

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but some points are worse than others

dull radish
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I don't think they're concerned about a parse or anything

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but more about like, how to pick back up and get in the rhythm of things

wheat marsh
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i died like the last 6 seconds of an encounter, lost all 3 sen as a samurai, xivanalysis yelling at me for wasting sen XD granted i lost a midare but

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and yeah, i'm more thinking clear, i know i won't parse well XD

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i have terrible uptime having to resolve mechanics

verbal oak
chrome cobalt
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for that step 1 is try to get back to track is

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let cds come back up

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and redo the opener

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and work from there

dull radish
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mmm, kinda. It depends

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especially when you're looking at raid buffs, sometimes even if you get screwed up from death, getting even misaligned uses can be more worthwhile than missing uses just to get back to proper alignment

wheat marsh
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most of the time i'll just have used something and tunneled and missed a big attack, hence why i'll ask such specific scenarios

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so it can be a minute or two before a proper opener/reopener

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depending on class

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and typically in non-high end you aren't getting half the raid buffs you usually would, or they arent aligned

wheat marsh
dusty dirge
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does diamond weapon in his weapon form still require positionals?

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my friend swear he does

quick verge
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big diamond has no positionals

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ifrit diamond does

sinful brook
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!faq positionals

storm frostBOT
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Visual Example of Positional and Non-Positional Target Rings
sinful brook
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@dusty dirge

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big diamond has the second ring

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therefore no positional

dusty dirge
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Thanks

finite plank
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!item edenmorn jacket of striking

storm frostBOT
quick verge
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#kupo-bot-spam

finite plank
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fuck

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i thought i clicked on it

tight wing
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hey does someone knows if the complete edition will update when endwaker is launched?

steady pebble
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it won't be retroactive, but yes complete edition will include endwalker when it releases

sinful brook
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your current complete edition would not, you would have to buy EW

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but any completes bought after release will have it yes

tight wing
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ok thanks

lunar ibex
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any idea when is

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raid tier unlocking

torn kindle
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probably 5.57 in june/july 5.58 in july/august

untold oyster
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I’m gonna be reprogging tea on my drk tomorrow cesarblush

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Little nervous but quite excited

subtle bone
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Gl dude

late gulch
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When opening fete presents, will it not give you, for example a peacelovers coffer, if you already have one in your inventory?

torn kindle
untold oyster
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hey guys just did my first night of tea reprog

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tanking hard

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my brain too small

finite plank
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well, least you know when what happens?...

wicked gate
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Quick question...Lost swift can't stack with sprint right?

torn kindle
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No. Only the strongest movement speed buff applies.

wicked gate
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Ok that's what I thought thanks

gritty pasture
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So to finished the bozja questline how much mettle do I need to farm? I rank 9 now.

torn kindle
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You need to hit max rank (25) to complete the whole thing, but to unlock the newest zone you just need rank 10

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You’ll rank up SUPER FAST in Zadnor until like rank 20 and then it slows to about the same pace of BSF

gritty pasture
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Goddammit. I actually interested in the story and stopping every quest to farm kinda sucks -_-.

regal shell
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where can I find all the combo strats people have been discovering with lost actions?

nocturne wind
#

I'm playing BLM for E12S and wanted to know when is a good time to place leylines after the opener, I've been putting it before the diamond dust but it only is used for about half the duration. Is it worth saving until after that whole mechanic resolves?

quick verge
nocturne wind
#

ok thanks

tranquil glen
#

a friend of mine wants to get the lunar kamuy fife, but getting people to do that duty is near impossible.. what should we do?

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id be willing to pay quite a lot to help her get it, if there was an option

sinful brook
#

put up a pf for it as an unsynced duty

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people typically don't want to do it synced

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also currently the moogle tome event is going on

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so less people are interested in that at teh moment

tranquil glen
#

yeah i wouldnt wanna do it synced either if that doesnt effect the droprates

sinful brook
#

it doesn't though

tranquil glen
#

ok

#

so unsyncd is it

#

how many people lvl 80 do you think would be needed?

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4? 1 each role?

sinful brook
#

the more you have the fewer mechanics you have to do

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but its doable with 3 people

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one healer one tank one dps

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a full party makes it go by much more quickly

tranquil glen
#

makes sense

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youve been a big help ill try and see what i can do thanks

sinful brook
tranquil glen
#

thank you very much

sudden flame
#

New here, working my way through HW right now but excited for endgame, just curious, seeing posts by people with multiple jobs, is it better to have a couple jobs at max before applying to a static ect? (Aware im not even 80 yet but just curious) Thanks! 🙂

subtle bone
#

As in get good enough on 1 job first

sudden flame
#

Thanks! What I was kinda figuring!

peak horizon
#

is there any reason to get the bozjan gear thats before the plat coin ones if im already at 510 gs

wheat marsh
#

haste from augmented gear to use in bozja, mostly DRS, that's about it

peak horizon
#

so prob just skip to the 525 gear for a pld

shy folio
#

yes

peak horizon
#

are the normal bozjan coins used for anything or just only good to gear other classes now?

grizzled pasture
#

500 of them can be traded for bozjan runners secrets which can be sold for like 1.5-2mil depending on server

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the 500 one is more efficient than 999

#

gil wise

nocturne wind
#

are the mhachi coins useless now?

sinful brook
#

have been for a while

thorn rose
#

I'm so excited for the 2 new Trust characters

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_<

torn kindle
#

Where’s the other one

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Show it to us

stable basin
#

^

stable basin
dusty dirge
#

how many books per week in a savage drop?

wild ether
#

1 of each

dusty dirge
#

damn

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so if you don't get food drops

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rolls

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you got to wait 8 weeks

verbal oak
#

for chest and weapons yeah

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for accs its 4 per

sinful brook
#

Belt hands head feet are 6 per

chrome cobalt
#

@sinful brook belt is also 4

quick verge
#

belt is 6

sinful brook
#

Is 6 @chrome cobalt

chrome cobalt
#

this doesnt make sense

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but yeah

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belts are gone

#

next expac

sinful brook
#

Its a left side piece so it costs more

#

Has significant amounts of defensive stats too

thorn rose
stable basin
#

Oh

heavy nimbus
#

So my static found a glitch in SoS EX, apparently if you overshield someone above their max HP value they die despite being covered by the LB3 after adds

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I guess patch 5.3 spoilers?

sinful brook
#

wack

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also use /spoiler at the front of the message to mark it as a spoiler

heavy nimbus
#

thanks

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forgot how

sinful brook
#

have you guys been able to consistently replicate taht?

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seems kinda weird that its doing that

quick verge
#

vods of this interaction have been floating around since 5.3

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so yeah it can be consistently replicated

heavy nimbus
#

Oh yeah we've done it every pull to troll each other tbh

fiery geyser
#

There was something similar back in 10S in HW

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If you covered during the knockback, that person wouldn't take it and get stuck in the add and die

craggy hare
#

Does anyone know the earliest you can start raiding or should I just go straight to 80 first, I'm at 50 now.

verbal oak
#

current endgame raids are at lvl 80

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but the first queueable ones are at alexander raids in heavensward

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coils of bahamut is one you'd want to unsync due to the high difficulty

quaint marten
#

you can do the lvl 50 alliance raids

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crystal tower series

craggy hare
#

I was just wondering since I'm starting heavansword soon but wanted to start building raid experience to for when I reach 80. Some experience will make it easier for others to deal with my sheer noobness.

verbal oak
#

nah, you'll be able to get that experience just fine from MSQ

craggy hare
#

Oh

verbal oak
#

raids are pretty much just advanced trials

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and msq has some not so easy ones to do

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nothing super hard but most of the normal version of the raids aren't too hard either

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savage raiding, however...

craggy hare
#

Okay, so I won't need to do the level 50 raids for anything or do you still get studd from them

verbal oak
#

just glam

craggy hare
#

Okay

verbal oak
#

you will need to do the crystal tower raids for MSQ

#

24-man stuff

craggy hare
#

Oh, so raiding is required

verbal oak
#

!quest legacy of allag

storm frostBOT
# verbal oak !quest legacy of allag
Chronicles of a New Era - The Crystal Tower | Required Level: 50

An oddly garbed man visiting Revenant's Toll has some information which might be of interest to an experienced adventurer.

Quest Starts At

outlandish man
Mor Dhona (X: 21.86 Y: 8.17)

Quest Ends At

Rammbroes
Mor Dhona (X: 30.44 Y: 12.17)

Required Quests

The Ultimate Weapon

Next Quests

Sanding It Down

verbal oak
#

alliance raids are pretty easy

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since most players are overgeared

craggy hare
#

Ha, that sounds like most leveling dungeons.

verbal oak
#

yep pretty much

#

the lvl 80 raids are quite a bit faster tho, so the more current you get in terms of patches the harder they become

craggy hare
#

I think I can already take on this quest or at least talk to the guest giver now

verbal oak
#

yes, you can, you'll need to before the 2.56 msq

stable basin
#

^

verbal oak
#

hence why i posted the quest

craggy hare
#

I'm escorting the dona to revenues toll now in the story so it should be coming up soon.

#

Revanants*

verbal oak
#

the crystal tower raids do come up later in MSQ allll the way in shadowbringers

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so pay some attention to the story

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as is with all content in this game lol

craggy hare
#

I have been, its slow but good.

verbal oak
#

nice nice

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there's even an endgame dungeon that brings a lot of different raids together in one big package

#

music was so good it got me to buy the game lol

craggy hare
#

Well even more reason to start raiding when I reach level 80.

verbal oak
#

the alexander raids and omega raids are also nice breaks in MSQ at lvl 60 and 70 respectively, and they have killer mechanics and banger music

craggy hare
#

Probably good xp to unless raids don't give xp

verbal oak
#

nah they are meant for level cap

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give hella poetics tho

serene lotus
#

Alliance raid roulette daily is hella exp

craggy hare
#

I just gotta reach 80 and finish shadowbringers before endwalker.

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I haven't looked at alliance raids yet.

verbal oak
#

the quest i sent will put you into one

craggy hare
#

Another discord server is spamming d2 raids right now, must be like 30 in the past 5 minutes.

quaint marten
craggy hare
#

I will take my time, I think I went like an hour without doing any combat since there was so much dialogue

verbal oak
#

yeah that's Final Fantasy games in a nutshell

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i was more into the story when i picked up the game

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now i'm an MMO raider

#

please help

craggy hare
#

I played 15 and 7 but the combat just wasn't it for me.

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My internet has decided not to load anything

verbal oak
#

I'll delete and post again

craggy hare
#

It loaded, they always manage to nail the bosses.

verbal oak
#

i swear the dev team was on fire for this whole expac

#

music, mechanics, glam, story, locations

craggy hare
#

I hope they keep going after endwalker so I can experience more new things.

verbal oak
#

we got 10+ years after EW

craggy hare
#

Jeez, that's what, at least 5 expansions.

verbal oak
#

yoshi-p will helm the game until he retires, adnd the same dev team is in charge again

craggy hare
#

This game is gonna be on the ps6

verbal oak
#

it just might, FF11 is still on PC and still a sub only game

craggy hare
#

The boss of this raid doesn't seem to bad, just a lot of moving like the other ones really.

verbal oak
#

correct, those are the easy ones

craggy hare
#

BLM would struggle with this, but I guess they would struggle with a lot of stuff.

steady pebble
#

not really

verbal oak
#

!action lost chainspell

storm frostBOT
#
**Lost Chainspell** : lvl 0 WHM BLM SMN SCH AST RDM (90.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Temporarily eliminates cast time for all spells.
Duration: 30s
Additional Effect: Magic Burst
Magic Burst Effect: Increases spell damage by 45% while increasing MP cost
Duration: 30s
Spirit of the Ordained Effect: Raises Magic Burst spell damage increase to 100% and nullifies additional MP cost
Spirit of the Watcher Effect: Lost Chainspell duration is extended to 90s
Can only be executed while in combat.

steady pebble
#

especially since bozja has lost chainspell

verbal oak
#

bozja has unique actions to let players experiment with their job of choice

craggy hare
#

I guess I’m not that knowledgeable so I wouldn’t know about this stuff

steady pebble
#

even without it though, blm wouldn't have that much of an issue if you know what you're doing on blm

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people really like to overstate blm having mobility issues and such when that's not the case

verbal oak
#

yeah BLM has a lot of options at 80 to be flexible

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triplecast, atherical anipulation, leylines TP, etc

craggy hare
#

I guess when I messed around with BLM I didn't get too far with that stuff.

verbal oak
#

being good at movement and rotation lets BLM pump out some of the highest DPS in the game

#

yep, you'll have plenty of time to find what you like when you've caught up

craggy hare
#

I'm SAM right now, I think is settled on him, I started on DRG though.

verbal oak
#

same, i started on red mage and now a hardcore MCH main

craggy hare
#

I saw that most ranged dps like and bard and MCH are pretty weak right now, is that true.

verbal oak
#

!faq meta

storm frostBOT
#
How FFXIV's Meta Works

All jobs are good and viable in all content. The difference between meta and non-meta is minor, to the point that player skill is a significantly more important factor. Play what you enjoy/what interests you most, and you can make it work.

verbal oak
#

BRD and DNC have lower personal DPS but tons of buffs

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MCH has zero downtime for almost any fight

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being good on MCH means I do more DPS than an ok SAM or BLM

craggy hare
#

You would probably do better than me.

verbal oak
#

i just have played more than you have, you can catch up to me in time

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fuck im not even that good yet, i just spent a lot of time practicing

craggy hare
#

I jump around to a lot of games too

#

Right now I'm juggling destiny 2, ff14 and cyberpunk

verbal oak
#

ye, but at least when raiding in this game i can still play other games

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its super easy to get the gear to get into stuff

craggy hare
#

Right now I start with kasha combo into higabana, then the other 2 combos into midare, then Meikyo into another midare.

verbal oak
#

!faq samleveling

storm frostBOT
#
**Samurai Leveling Guide:**

**「Level 50 Opener:」**http://ffxivrotations.com/1ndy
Keep buffs up, reapply your Higanbana as close to 0s as possible, Midare goes brrrrrr.
Level 52 - [Kenki Mastery I]:
Introduces Kenki gauge & positionals on Gekko/Kasha, hit your positionals!
Use Kaiten exclusively for Iaijutsu (Higanbana > Midare for ST).
**「Level 60 Opener:」**http://ffxivrotations.com/2rqm
Level 62 - [Kenki Mastery II]:
Introduces lots of Kenki, Kaiten all Iaijutsu, use excess Kenki on Shinten - use Level 70 Openers.
Level 70 Openers:
— Lvl70 Bana 1st: http://ffxivrotations.com/2r8w
— Lvl70 Midare 1st: http://ffxivrotations.com/2r8x
Bana 1st > Midare 1st.
Reserve Midare 1st for encounters that require you to move exactly as you need to cast Higanbana with Bana 1st opener (UCoB Twintania).
Level 76 - [Tsubame-gaeshi]:
Use exclusively on Midare (ST) or Tenka (AoE).
Level 78 - [Enhanced Jinpu and Shifu]:
You can practice looping™️ on Innocence, don't loop in dungeons.

serene lotus
#

You want to always have Jinpu up for Higan, it further boosts the damage of the DoT

verbal oak
#

standerd opener is getting shifu combo for speed into jinpu, then bana for dot and meikyo into midare

#

some people prefer to midare first

craggy hare
#

Bana makes more sense to me to get the dot going.

verbal oak
#

ye, but without jinpu you'd lose extra dot dps

#

jinpu is 10% at lvl 50 and like 13% at 72

#

same for shifu

serene lotus
#

Iaijutsu doesn't break the combo

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So you go Haga>Shifu>Kasha>Haga>Jinpu>Higan

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Then finish the combo with Gekko

craggy hare
#

That makes sense to me, that's more dps, thanks

verbal oak
#

dont forget kaiten for even more DPS at 52

craggy hare
#

So use that on bana?

verbal oak
#

can't really build it for first bana at 52 but at 62 you get more kenki

#

yep 50% dps buff on the next skill

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including midare too

#

1200 pot attack

craggy hare
#

Not for the first Bana but the second most likely since it's more overall damage.

verbal oak
#

yep!

craggy hare
#

Or the midare if it's a shorter fight.

verbal oak
#

yeah pretty much

#

kiaten and midare just allow SAM to do crazy DPS

#

later on you even get to do a second midare that's also buffed

craggy hare
#

Looking at the skills, goyoten seems fairly niche in terms of use as well as a couple others since they cost kenki for little damage.

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Like shinten and kyuten.

verbal oak
#

gyoten is your gap closer

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so it's good for when the boss forces you to move away

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shinten is your main kenki spender

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since ikishoten just gives you 50 kenki every 2 mins

craggy hare
#

This class has a lot of flexibility it seems.

verbal oak
#

yep, sam has plenty of cool stuff to use and master

craggy hare
#

Jeez, it's already midnight.

verbal oak
#

this game is too much fun to talk about

craggy hare
#

It has a lot of depth that I miss in newer games.

verbal oak
#

learning, optimizing, playing, gearing, mastering, its just a blast

craggy hare
#

I used to spend hours optimizing stuff in eso and dragons dogma but now everything is super easy to learn after they simplify it.

verbal oak
#

the devs did their best to streamline while giving lots of depth to classes

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and by god they've done it

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AND balanced it

craggy hare
#

Balance is a rare sight nowadays.

verbal oak
#

i came from overwatch, so i know how ya feel

craggy hare
#

In destiny 2 they purposely make things op compared to others to change the meta.

verbal oak
#

ah, the old hammer stratagy to balance

fallow oyster
#

Isnt it better to almost always start with midare opener to catch the raid buffs?

sinful brook
#

not necessarily, depends on the fight

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its preference until you know when things like downtime where you can't target the boss are

#

its a consideration of "can i get an extra use of this somewhere before i can't touch them"

#

higanbana snapshotting buffs is equally as valuable as well

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and its not like the midare won't catch buffs

nova socket
#

no matter which opener you do your higan and both midares should be in buffs

stable basin
#

Yea midare still fits cuz of meikyo

wild ether
#

with the cheese strat at valor10 , how fast can u kill dabog?

untold hound
#

Is Lost Slash good for anything?

quick verge
#

800 potency weaponskill, it’s pretty decent

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especially on war/mch/drg, since they can force it to crit and triple its potency

#

a common strat people use is to stack lost focus before an encounter, and open with lost slash (+reassemble/IR/life surge) for huge damage, then swap lost focus for other useful actions

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the best part is that it’s an ogcd weaponskill so it’s free potency during burst, and doesn’t delay your rotation when used

stable basin
#

Cheese strats are roughly 1m kills

#

So maybe a bit under that

drowsy agate
#

when looking at fflogs static parses

#

what exactly is "execution"

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speed is obvious, just fastest kill time

#

but execution is less clear

quick verge
#

damage taken

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less = higher execution

drowsy agate
#

i assume if you die then that just removes you from the ranking entirely

quick verge
#

no

drowsy agate
#

if it's just damage taken then wouldn't having someone die and completely ignore certain mechanics skew it

quick verge
#

damage taken/deaths, and compares to other groups
this can be skewed through a job like drk/war invulning a tb with magic vuln compared to a pld/gnb invulning the same tb

#

it's a pretty worthless metric overall

stable basin
#

For endgame, is there some customization of your stats or choose what type of bis you can pick for your job?

#

All classes have the same bis with the only variations usually being skill/spell speed to hit a certain tier, or level of piety for healers

#

The exception is Black Mage, which can either go Crit-based or Spell Speed-based and basically have opposite gear to each other

#

Otherwise no there's not really any customisation on what BIS is, because it's... Bis

daring dome
#

my pride and joy is my 0 execution ranked kill on e12s p1

wheat marsh
#

wonder what it looks like when you die 2 mins in, lay dead for 6, and finally get rezzed for the final 2 mins XD

verbal oak
#

a... valley?

quick verge
#

yes

craggy hare
#

I was just overwhelmed by the AOE in keeper of the lake, that was my first fight with near constant AOE.

verbal oak
#

ah that's a good one

#

got me a few times my first time as well

craggy hare
#

I only died from the arena wide aoe, the normal ones just paused my dps quite a bit.

verbal oak
#

i was... not quite as good as you were at the time

#

oh well, i was just a DPS

gloomy night
#

there is no easy way to find the yellow stoplight for basic rel, right?

quick verge
#

eyes

gloomy night
#

ahhh yes and the swirling of the camera haha

quick verge
#

yea

dull radish
#

to help a bit, in case you're not aware

#

if you see a spot without a stoplight at all, the yellow is directly opposite

daring dome
#

well if you want you can look for the two blue tethers, either the yellow stoplight will be between them or opposite them

high ether
#

way easier imo

dull radish
#

it's just mostly a matter of which you see first haha

fierce root
#

could anyone help with Plvl ?

verbal oak
#

which fight is that?

stable basin
#

Plvl?

subtle bone
#

Power leveling

subtle bone
verbal oak
#

fuckin gottem lmao

#

but yes, you can't powerlevel anything save blue mage

verbal oak
#

I was wondering if someone had done the math on lvl 50/60/70 balance, mostly stemming from the all tank UCOB clear

#

since GNB was so busted it could be a DPS lmao

quick verge
#

you can look at lv 70 numbers on fflogs

#

in the context of ultimates

rapid stratus
#

Is it possible to get field notes by standing right outside a duel area or do I have to do the duel to get it? Was told it was possible but I can't find anything about it on google.

verbal oak
#

have to win it yourself

#

100% drop rate tho

rapid stratus
#

sad

steady pebble
#

You don't have to do the duels to get those particular field notes, there are other CEs/skirmishes that reward them

#

but the duels are 100% drop rate, whereas the other options are lower percent

rapid stratus
#

I know that, I just don't wanna have to do castrum 3 times in 1 day

frank zealot
#

Why does black mage need need 3600 sps for JP oner

dull radish
#

if you have lower sps than that, the thundercloud proc won't last long enough to use in UI, unless you get a natural proc

still inlet
#

Becomes a matter of consistency with that in mind. You don't want to rely on an rng proc that might not happen

dull radish
#

yeah the opener is pretty bad if you're not using a proc there, if you can't guarantee it then you're better off doing another opener

still inlet
#

Mhmm. ModJP at least serves as a good in between option, and there's always old faithful No B4

empty bloom
#

Hy guys! returning player here, I havent really done any savage raiding since like alexander, and I'd like to get back into it before next tier, any advice on where I should start?

lyric summit
#

catch up gear-wise to current tier, so like i520, and join practice parties for current tier

#

next one isn't coming out till like christmas, a month after endwalker launch

empty bloom
#

Sounds good! I'm getting close to 520 so I'll keep an eye out! The only one I've even seen so far is e9s

magic beacon
#

Random Question:
If you do it correctly, should there be empty spaces between players when doing e9s Rin Brambles?
As in, like in this image, should M1 and R1 have space between them that players can move though?

quick verge
magic beacon
magic beacon
quick verge
#

can try and replicate them by eye from diagrams

#

i'd just waste a pull and have her center so you can better emulate

#

4 markers sort of kind of near max melee

#

and then 4x markers to where you can drop them with some space for maneuvering

magic beacon
#

I see, thank you

oak socket
#

is there a job that would benefit more from augmented bozja gear? I have so many coins and now and with some of the new lost actions(chainspell, i'm looking at you) it doesn't seem like they would help as much as before.

verbal oak
#

tanks might like it

quick verge
#

a job that would benefit the most from aug gear

#

probably blm

oak socket
#

i've been using chainspell/ordained on blm for 100% instant casts. i wonder what the reduction in recast time would be with leylines/haste

magic sandal
#

!faq drkleveling

storm frostBOT
magic sandal
#

😦

stable basin
#

Unleash on 3+, flood on 2+, quietus on 3+

#

Unleash->Stalwart on 2+

crystal saddle
#

Hi, I have a question about loot rules in Eden's Promise Savage. How do chests work? For example in Umbra I see that it can give up to 3. If it is a fresh clear for everyone, do we get 3? or 2 are guaranteed and the 3rd is random? If there are 1-4 people who already cleared, do we get 1? or is a 2nd one possible?

sinful brook
#

!faq savageloot @crystal saddle

storm frostBOT
#
What floors of savage drop which items?

Per tier:
First floor: (Belt/Earring/Necklace/Bracelet/Ring) x3
Second floor: (Head/Gloves/Boots) x2 + Weapon Tomestone + Glaze
Third floor: Head/Gloves/Boots + Legs + Twine + Solvent
Fourth floor: Weapon + Chest + Random single weapon + Mount + Minion

Loot Rules: Following each weekly reset, every player has a chance to obtain loot from the Savage encounters of the current raid tier. Upon clearing each floor, you will obtain 1 book specific to that fight (e.g. Book of Anamorphosis) and a chance to roll on the loot from that floor. Regardless of if you obtained loot from your weekly clear, you will be barred from rolling on loot from the same encounter until the next weekly reset.

Entering an encounter before clearing the previous floor(s) will relinquish all rewards from previously uncleared floors. (e.g. Entering E12S before clearing E9S for the week will relinquish loot from E9S, E10S, and E11S.) You will lose a chance to earn a book and your chance to roll on any loot that drops that week.

The number of players in your party that have cleared/skipped the encounter for the week will also affect the loot you will get after clearing the encounter.
0 players cleared: 2 chests
1-4 players cleared: 1 chest
5-8 players cleared: 0 chests

sinful brook
#

Tldr its based on # of people not cleared that week in the party

#

Max of 2 chesrs

#

And the number of items you get inside a 1 chest clear is based on which chest you got

#

The 1 item chest or the 2 item chest

crystal saddle
#

aaaah I was confused by the x3 numbers, so it's not that there are 3 chests but that one of the chests contains 3

#

thank you!

sinful brook
#

The x3 means out of that pool of items 3 of them appear in a 2chest clear

#

Can have multiples of one item appear

crystal saddle
#

I see

#

thank you very much!

quick verge
#

1.78*

oak socket
#

Thanks very much

stoic whale
#

halfway there

#

i swear theres a very low amount of z3 CEs

drowsy agate
#

is this the right place to talk about xivalexander?

#

i just found out about the existence of it and i'm wondering whether or not it's in the same vein as act

torn kindle
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Never heard of it, what does it do?

drowsy agate
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i have a limited understanding of it based on some brief research

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basically it's a tool to force-allow double and even triple weaving despite ping

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how it does this is apparently not illegal

sinful brook
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Ah we've had this conversation before

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It is against tos

dull radish
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people have mixed opinions on it

drowsy agate
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yeah but act is against tos too

sinful brook
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Since it directly modifies game data

drowsy agate
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so like how against tos is it

dull radish
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it goes about things a bit differently than act

sinful brook
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Act is more like a math monkey doing spreadsheeting for you

drowsy agate
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my understanding is that it can allow things like double weaving pots

dull radish
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at base I think most people probably wouldn't complain too much about it, it can be modified to be a bit more suspect

drowsy agate
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yeah the notes on it made that clear, modifying it is absolutely cheating

sinful brook
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Whereas this, while able to improve the qol of play for many people is touchy since you can go a lot farther than that

drowsy agate
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but i was wondering whether or not these top .5% parsers are using it

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cuz like, things like double weave displacement aren't possible for most of us

dull radish
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at base it just simulates you having 30ms ping

torn kindle
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Using it to do triple weaving without clipping is 100% against TOS

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since it gives a direct advantage normal players can't ever achieve

dull radish
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I think even fully modified you're probably not cleanly double weaving with pot or necessarily triple weaving super well (though I don't think that'd be much advantageous anyways) but I dunno

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it's not something that's going to make the difference between the top 10 and the top 1 or anything, or whatever like that

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at least, not in a way that's going to be undetectable and getting someone banned

drowsy agate
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i'm more interested in the fact that it claims to remove the clunkiness that's build in to ff14

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since it looks like it makes double weaving smoother

dull radish
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mmm it's going to affect animation lock and caster tax, if you're on high ping it'll definitely feel a bit better. Short of that it's not going to be drastic

drowsy agate
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i'm on pretty regular ping

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tbh

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if it's simulating 30ms, i'm only like 50ms

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47 ish

dull radish
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yeah I wouldn't especially bother with it then

torn kindle
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I play around 80 ping and rarely have any hiccups for most jobs that I play.

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Even MCH's Hypercharge burst windows barely have any clipping for me

drowsy agate
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i notice it most often during RDM melee combo

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sometimes there's a very slight clip if i weave between

torn kindle
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yeah fleche and contre just seem to have a slightly higher animation lock

drowsy agate
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i mitigated it by spamming the ogcd really hard like half a second early

torn kindle
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They seem so fucking inconsistent

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sometimes I can weave both together with no problem, and other times it clips

quick verge
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fleche and c6 should be normal animation lock

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just your latency

torn kindle
still inlet
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They have standard locks. Displacement is 1.1 and it has forced movement. Pots are also 1.1, but as consumables they don't queue

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The shorter rdm melee combo steps will be prone to clipping if you have some latency, because it's a 1.5s action and if your lock's putting you closer to 0.7s or higher for oGCDs, the more odds of clipping, because of the general game variance and networking jitter

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since 2 * 0.7 is already 1.4, it doesn't take much for it to spike and suddenly oops 0.1s or greater and now you've clipped

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My line on it is the memory modification is a line that shouldn't be crossed. But it also only addresses one part of the issue that comes with higher ping.
Obviously modifying it further to sim 0 ms, or even negative ms, is when things start to get much more pronounced as cheating

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xivplugin with act doesn't modify memory, it only reads net data and chat memory

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Both are technically against the ToS, but xivplugin is regarded as an "acceptable" grey area. Memory modification is not

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That's not me saying per players, that's how SE have outlined it

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Ravahn's code repo is known and SE could go after him and Aditu to try and nix xivplugin with act, but they know it's so deeply a part of general play now

stable basin
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My view on Alexander is that it replicates how the game is actually meant to be played - the devs live in Japan and keep making stupid things like Blood Weapon and Overheat that clearly show they think the experience of living in a small country with good infrastructure is universal

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The idea that your playstyle should depend on your real-world geographical location is absolutely asinine and I welcome the effort to level the playing field

frozen portal
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Whats the best class to solo hoh?

steady pebble
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Gunbreaker is considered one of the easiest to solo with. war, drk, rdm, brd and mch also do fairly well

frozen portal
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Is there any guide there? Cause im planning to yolo run without watching any guide

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To see how far i get

steady pebble
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it has guides for each set of 10 floors, but can ignore those as its in the latter half of the doc

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can just read the top part which covers the basics

frozen portal
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Anyway thank you ill use that

lyric summit
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at higher floors you basically need to learn how to spin enemies to survive

tawny python
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hey guys im having a question for players that experienced the release of aesthetes gear!
Im currently leveling all my crafters because I prefer the economic aspect in the game. With endwalker coming soon, im wondering if overmelding my aethetes gear is necessary to obtain the new crafting set probably coming along with the patch. Was it necessary to have BiS pre-aesthetes to craft aesthetes in the first place? because I believe it would cost me alot to get there. im new to ff and idk how it works :D

daring dome
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tldr rn having a fully melded set isnt worth it

tawny python
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alright thank you so much man

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just for reference, how much would the average cost of full melded DoH gear be?

daring dome
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well you can make crafter yellow scrips/crafter white scrips to make it for free, but its also the longer route and takes like literal ages. if you want to buy it all, youre probably looking at 2 mil+ (may be higher and lower depending on your server) if you want to get it in time for combat crafted gear or selling early crafted crafting gear

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protip you can make also make a lot of money by selling those materia shush when new crafting gear drops the highest rank materia can go for like 50k each

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the 2nd highest rank can also go up to 20k but people need way more of it because they have a lower% chance of melding it so they buy it in bulk

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great ways of making cash

tawny python
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thats an incredbibly insightful information. thank you so much

finite plank
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was tumult in e4s physical

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or somehow magical

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i don't remember any raidwides being feintable and i could only thing tumult in e4s to be one of them

quick verge
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magic

finite plank
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that shit's magical?

quick verge
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heck yea

dull radish
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physical raidwides are very far and few between

quick verge
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you could feint the tbs

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and little titan's autos

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casters lose like 12 years from their lifespan everytime physical raidwides are implemented

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i.e. e7s

drowsy agate
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regarding optimization for e10s

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so the idea behind addle and reprisal not working on the dogs during the dog carousel

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is that the aoe is coming from the dog entities and not the boss

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so i've believed since then that addle and reprisal don't work since those are debuffs on the boss itself

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and not on the dogs that emit the raidwide

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someone just mentioned it's possible to reprisal that raidwide if you time it right

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wondering if there's merit to that

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this is for uptime dogs, of course

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i was thinking that it could be plausible that the non-targetable dog entities are still affected by reprisal since it's an AoE debuff?

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or is it just bullshit and reprisal doesn't work period?

quick verge
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reprisal won’t work on jumpy dogs period

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nor the orbs

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the debuffs inflicted on shadowkeeper aren’t mirrored onto the other actors, so they’re functionally useless for that mechanic

drowsy agate
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yeah that's what I thought too

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someone i know mentioned that apparently you can reprisal them, which I thought was bullshit at first

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i guess i just did some mental gymnastics and figured maybe reprisal can affect the other actors since it's an aoe debuff idk

stuck wigeon
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you just giga buff a shake

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and you can uptime it fine

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works like a charm

hollow arch
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Does Haste gear Bozja benefit ninja?

quick verge
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you're getting a net increase in the amount of gcds you use in an encounter

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and there isn't really some trade-off like you'd have with normal gear

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haste vs no haste

torn kindle
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Yeah since you can’t optimize your stats Haste is all you got

wheat marsh
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Do you have to clear E9S once before you can go to E10S?

quick verge
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no

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but if you haven't cleared a floor that week, then you need someone to queue you in

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someone who has cleared 9s for that week

wheat marsh
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yeah, just not seeing many E9S groups i can get into so i figure people have moved on

wheat marsh
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does just going in ruin E9S chest or would I have to clear E10S to invalidate E9S chests

stable basin
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just going in forfeits all loot including the book from any lower floors

wheat marsh
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and i thought EX PF was bad XD

proper cipher
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so wait, is it that you have to do savages in order to get gear?

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I've never touched Savage but that sounds awful

nova socket
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If you don't do savage you don't need the gear anyways.

proper cipher
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I get that, I just wanted to understand better. You get gear if you do 9-10-11-12, but, say, if you did 12 first, the first three are locked off?

nova socket
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yes

proper cipher
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That's wild.

quick verge
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how so

proper cipher
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Why does it matter what -order- you do the content in, in a given week? What's the benefit here?

frank quiver
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The first three are locked off.

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That's why you do them in order. Otherwise, you can't get gear from all four raids.

proper cipher
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...Right, I'm just--I'm trying to understand why the system is that way.

frank quiver
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Oh, that's what you meant. Generally, the raids (in each tier) are designed such that 1<2<3<4 in difficulty.

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So I assume they want to make sure you can clear the easier raids before you clear the harder raid.

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Even after you've cleared it once, a lot of folks struggle with reclears.

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So while I'm not a fan of the system, it makes sense.

subtle bone
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People end up skipping around later in the tier

frank quiver
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Yeye. Each raid gives you different gear, so at some point, you stop reclears for gear you already have.

proper cipher
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OKay, yeah, I guess if it makes sure there's People There for reclears

verbal oak
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It’s like how revelation tome stones are capped at 450 a week

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Getting new gear takes time, getting the best gear takes effort

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It’s also to prevent burnout

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Since otherwise people would just farm to unhealthy level of hours

quick verge
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can't exactly kneecap the longevity of the content the moment it comes out

drowsy agate
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e12s and e9s are different worlds of difficulty

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reclears or not, for a new savage raider, you should not touch e12s without having cleared e11s

proper cipher
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well yeah, but once you've beaten e12s, say

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it just seems weird you have to schedule them in an order. I understand that they get harder as you go on

drowsy agate
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you don't have to

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if your static is to the point where you only care about e12s

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you can just get a friend to queue you in

proper cipher
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...never mind, I'm clearly not being --

drowsy agate
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but yeah you'll forfeit all your loot from the 3 prior floors

proper cipher
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Right. I just find /that/ mechanic weird. I understand that the difficulty ramps upwards.

wheat marsh
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idk from clear PF point of view it seems like 11 - 9 - 10 - 12

verbal oak
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that's PF for ya

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inconsistency is the only constant

wheat marsh
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i mean i looked at them and i pretty much feel the same. it wasn't until late last night i found a PF group that wasn't brambles but actual tiles prog

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after 3 days of brambles meme pf

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pf is consistently shit XD

verbal oak
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fuck pf

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all my homies hate pf

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static gang

sinful brook
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11 doesn't have multiple solutions to each mechanic, there's 1 clear cut method to do

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the only variation would be blue uptime for turn of the heavens 2, whether thats done at all

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9/10 are also earlier floors so there tend to be more people that coasted through, so reclears are tougher in that snese

wheat marsh
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oh im talking bluegreen PF

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not orange XD

sinful brook
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?

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who's doing orange pfs in this time of the tier

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everyones grey haha

quick verge
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you see the joke is that your name is orange

sinful brook
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discord mod and reddit mod pf wearycarby

finite plank
wheat marsh
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XD

finite plank
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yes to it being easy or a challenge

sinful brook
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no

finite plank
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no to it being easy or a challenge

wheat marsh
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( i meant the non-cleared side vs clear side )

finite plank
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i have no clue what channy meant so...

olive hearth
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Orange means to do good

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It's hard and need practice

stable basin
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Orange hard cuz its 95th percentile
But orange also easy because most of the people who cleared early/parsed arent parsing in 5.5 so less competition

torn kindle
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5.5 oranges are the Store/Great Value brand

crystal ferry
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Anyone on Light wanna run a seiryu farm, im 51 totems deep rn and this is my last doggo (:

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Seems nobody is joining PF

dusty dirge
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is it disrespectful to not eat food while progging? Because I'm in the mindset of; I'd rather eat after I see the entire fight

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But if were learning the fight

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I'd rather not eat if were just learning

frank quiver
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If you're squishy and/or undergeared, some healers might get annoyed if you don't eat (for the vitality boost).

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But otherwise, it should be fine. Most tend to eat, but if it's just prog, it's not a big deal.

steady pebble
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honestly, no reason to not have food up

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lasts for 1hr if you use 2 food

dusty dirge
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Kaels words on me

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; ;

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Is there a good resource for updated foods lol

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for raids

steady pebble
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smoked chicken is pretty common choice for most jobs, tbh its also a fairly safe choice as well

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otherwise, should check the balance. look at your job's resource channel

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bis set ups will usually list the food of choice

torn kindle
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Previous tier food is still pretty good for the most part, and may be cheaper

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Or go for the weaker current tier pure damage food being pizza

sinful brook
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when pizza sucks more than chicken 😔

nova socket
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chicken is optimal food irl as well

verbal oak
quick verge
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domino's isn't food btw

verbal oak
quick verge
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yeah

verbal oak
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fuck

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what's your stats

quick verge
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!item coffee biscuit

storm frostBOT
# quick verge !item coffee biscuit
**Coffee Biscuit** **:** Meal : ilvl 418

*A buttery biscuit with a subtle coffee flavor.

EXP Bonus: +3% Duration: 30m
(Duration can be extended to 60m by consuming multiple servings)*

GP

6% [22] (8% [28] HQ)

Perception

6% [62] (7% [77] HQ)

steady pebble
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time to turn biscuit in for 3k gil

nova socket
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if biscuit was a mythril file you could turn him to 8k gil

finite plank
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smash biscuit into 3 sets to turn in

sinful brook
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smash biscuit

nova socket
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id smash biscuit

hushed harness
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can the kb after giants be antikb'd?

quick verge
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no

sinful brook
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You can use a gap closer to stop its movement a bit though

finite plank
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i still have no clue how to use shukuchi for that

sinful brook
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I think its rougher with shukuchi and elusive since they have no target

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Use a macro /s

quick verge
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input shukuchi right before kb, it resolves so that your movement starts after the kb starts moving you

finite plank
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problem with that

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i do it too early

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i go to the middle and "oh shit, im gonna fall off and die"

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unless i do it manually which i should be doing

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i didn't get the timing to clicking it yet

quick verge
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either is fine as long as you get a good sense for when to press the button

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the closer you are to the edge, the more meme it gets though

drowsy agate
hushed harness
sinful brook
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i typically wouldn't hold corp-a-corp if it means you lose a use. as you move to the safe side for the kb just channel your cast. if it goes off you have the duration of the dual cast to walk to safe spot

quick verge
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just use displacement to stop the kb

sinful brook
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i see how could work

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but you have to do it on the side you're being pushed from?

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idk seems like if you did it on hte other side you might sling off

dull radish
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the basic premise of using a disengage skill to kb cancel, is you interrupt the kb that you'd get normally and just functionally replace it with the displacement movement instead. So technically it wouldn't matter what side you're on, as long as you could use displacement safely from your current position

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of course, it's not really something you'd really look to be doing, but that's how it would work

wheat marsh
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but do it and clutch rez someone for the clear, it'd be badass

sinful brook
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If you need to rez too.much after that mechanic it might be rough in pf to clear

hushed harness
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are parses still logged now that we have echo

chrome cobalt
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gotta silence echo to parse there will be no more echo logs the moment that option got added

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at least from fflogs discord talk

finite plank
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how long does it take echo to trigger

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okay, immediately, nvm

frank quiver
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How do you silence echo?

finite plank
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df settings

frank quiver
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My static says we can still parse with echo. How does that work?

sinful brook
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you silence the echo and then enter the duty

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since parsing with echo invalidates the log

frank quiver
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As in, you can’t upload that log at all and/or it’s not included in your profile?

sinful brook
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you can still upload it

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it just doesn't count on your profile afaik

frank quiver
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Oh, gotcha. Wouldn’t work for recruitment resumes. Thanks!

hazy pumice
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It was me this morning i was the one who killed 3 pulls on e9s i've never felt so embarrased ;_;

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that feeling of guilt is immeasurable

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dont sleep and raid lads

quick verge
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Why aren't my savage logs ranking???
With the release of patch 5.57, Eden's Promise (Savage) has had its weekly loot restriction unlocked in addition to having 10% echo added to all encounters. This means that any log that you attempt to upload on FFLogs will not be ranked. The maintainer of FFLogs does not currently plan to add a partition to allow rankings for runs done with echo.

Logs can still be ranked, however, if you open your Duty Finder settings and enable the Silence Echo option. Uploaded logs with no echo will properly rank.

drowsy agate
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out of curiosity, is this how it was in the past as well

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was echo logging ranking disabled on previous echo patches

verbal oak
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yep

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i tried to log my e4s kill and had echo

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gives an "invalid log"

drowsy agate
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what about in the stormblood echo when it was current

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just wondering lol

quick verge
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in stormblood echo

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there was a partition for echo logs