endgame-lounge

[nova socket]

you mean theyre doing side pull?

[stable basin]

They're like

healers are basically on the edge

And I have to run into the slipstream to put the cyclone far enough north that they can pull her mid and face her south and have dps on her butt

[nova socket]

...

why

[stable basin]

I have no clue

they were like oh do we need to adjust for you

no i understand what I'm doing now

it just was never a thing that crossed my mind as a possibility

[foggy latch]

thats fine

[undone tide]

@subtle cave Why don't we do uwu instead of ucob since upr is better at uwu

[foggy latch]

at least its not like that static i saw in twitch

4 days ago

doing mariokart suppression

[stable basin]

they do idk what to call it anni

[stable basin]

start on butt and circle around

[nova socket]

hes getting desperate

[undone tide]

[foggy latch]

500k?

i could sell better stuff

in less time

[stable basin]

oh and they're having blm do anni tether

and dnc cleanses in garuda

[dull radish]

interesting decisions

[nova socket]

...

that sounds very fun to do on blm

:D

[dull radish]

fun would certainly be a word for it

[undone tide]

BLM at 70

PLD at 70

[drowsy agate]

does blm rotation change much at 70 anyway

i decided to man up and prog ultimate as BLM when my static finally gets around to it

[foggy latch]

u dont have umbral hearts

[nova socket]

I did my ucob clears on pld

[foggy latch]

and xeno

[drowsy agate]

you lose despair and have to cast foul i guess

i was scared to prog on blm cuz my brain is too smooth for it

but i told myself to stop being a bitch

[nova socket]

buy me blm job boost

ill prog on blm while learning the job

[foggy latch]

i thought job boost cost 3$

where u get it

[foggy latch]

4.62 euros

still cheap

[undone tide]

change of plans, can raid in like 15 mins

[desert mist]

mmoga

but uhhhh you better not use it coz its against tos

:)))))

[foggy latch]

sounds like a recipe to get banned

[undone tide]

He's used it like multiple times apparently

[desert mist]

of course not, none of us here have ever broken tos

[nova socket]

no I paid 60€ for every alt I have using official SE ™️ website

[desert mist]

i believe you

[foggy latch]

imagine paying full games money to level up alts

[quick verge]

we abide by sqex's rules :)

there is surely no dastardly website where you can exchange funds for cheaper items

[stable basin]

I enjoy playing Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn.exe with no unapproved third-party programs

[nova socket]

I use a calculator very fast while gaming

While being a superior being absorbing the power from lv60 raids

[undone tide]

@quick verge Wanna join for UCOB or UwU tonight

[quick verge]

no

[dull radish]

you do have umbral hearts though?

[undone tide]

[foggy latch]

wait

i meant umbral soul

iirc thats what its called

[dull radish]

yeah timing transpose is a little annoying but at least you have freeze for recovery now if you wanna be lazy

the big thing is just not having xenos for movement, not casting Despair at the end of each AF cycle isn't that big of a deal

technically back to 60s sharp but that's whatever anyways

[undone tide]

@subtle cave you still down?

[subtle cave]

o.o

[subtle cave]

oh

upr is better than uwu

sure

but... it's still fine until divebombs

[wild ether]

uwu

[subtle cave]

@nova socket with resistance wep next xpac, do you think it's possible to kill before prismatic?

[finite plank]

eh, res weapon gonna surpass edenmorn weapons?

[stable basin]

Apparently final relic steps are better than raid weapons

[finite plank]

oh cmon

that gives me incentive to farm DR 15 times

why

[stable basin]

Lmao

I mean it doesn't come out until 5.55

[toxic fulcrum]

Aren’t relics final step always better than raid weapon

[stable basin]

That's what ive been told

[finite plank]

idk, never did relic weapons fully

[stable basin]

O12 and final eureka step same ilvl

[quick verge]

yes

[stable basin]

And u also get more substats, so

[quick verge]

the final relic step will be better than the edenmorn weapon

is there any rng rolling with substats this time

[stable basin]

you need god rng to skip and the relic just gives you tiny more substats

[nova socket]

I doubt only a relic makes it happen lol

[stable basin]

bro niko already skipping prismatic

[nova socket]

Look how far public away from skipping

they're killing right after a full burst window with pot

How do you skip that

[stable basin]

bro just make the prismatic skip log public

[quick verge]

100% dcrit rate

and high roll your damage

every gcd

easy enough right??

[toxic fulcrum]

Just crit

[stable basin]

just need an i550 weapon

[subtle cave]

ppl can get to like 3% right?

[subtle cave]

ppl are at 2%

it's hella possible

you're gonna april 12th a log with a prismatic skip aren't you

[stable basin]

some jp group will in the last week

[subtle cave]

nikos group is just as good as any jp group kekw

[quick verge]

can’t wait for the top 5 speed to change overnight in every fight

[undone tide]

relic will have 5 materia slots no?

also lions skip maybe?

[nova socket]

skipping 6min window on door boss

[stable basin]

bro dont u get like 20-25% at lions

how the hell will u skip that

[undone tide]

oh

I don't watch speedkills

[toxic fulcrum]

idk whats happening in lions, i barely made it in my prog

[stable basin]

oh current speed is like 12% at lions

still not doable

[quick verge]

hidden 9th party member exploit

[serene lotus]

Press buttons harder

[stable basin]

just get 555 weapon

[dusky tendon]

So, i'm currently leveling a summoner and i'm quite enjoying it. How does it perform at the endgame right now?

[finite plank]

good, good luck learning the opener

[dusky tendon]

It's abit of a messy one yeah

It's very straight forward looking at it, but yeah, getting it down, thankfully akh morn exists for openers

[subtle bone]

Good and easy to play at end game

[subtle marsh]

What's a good extreme I can slam my head into a couple times in which when I fuck up inevitably I won't grief it too hard?

I'm changing classes from healer to a melee (drg) and the adjustment is a bit janky for me.

I'd run savage but right now my muscle memory is not doing me any favors in conjunction with unfortunately diving right into death.

[stuck wigeon]

no harm joining practice parties

even in savage

[subtle marsh]

I still feel bad. Because I'll forget that I'm supposed to move for stack/spread

[stuck wigeon]

wait have you done the savage tier?

if not then id scratch what i sad

nearly every fight extreme or savage has some sort of stack/spread so youre outta luck there

[subtle marsh]

I've cleared 9/10, hence I said my muscle memory Will fuck me over.

It's one thing to not know your rotation, but another to fuck up mechanics repeatedly.

[subtle bone]

I learn jobs for the first time in high end often... just go do the mechs and fix your rotations over time

[stuck wigeon]

You are gonna fuck up regardless lol, just jump into a practice group and practice

you wont get better by not doing the content

drg is solid for 9

cos the jump timing lines up pretty well in 9

[subtle marsh]

I know. : ( that's what I tell myself but I feel terrible doing it in savage

[stuck wigeon]

sounds like a mental block to me

joining a fresh practice party theyll fuck up the first mechanics

[subtle marsh]

Not gonna lie that's likely what it is

[stuck wigeon]

youll have plenty of practice

if anything youll leave the group cos theyre bad

[stable basin]

you probably won’t be the worst person in the room

[stuck wigeon]

also, why would you feel terrible practicing in savage?

its just practice

no stakes

[subtle marsh]

Partly because some mechs are dependent on your party surviving, and knowing fights from a healer perspective zi feel extra bad for griefing my healers.

[stuck wigeon]

ok but if youre worried about messing up stack/spread

idk that sounds like another issue

[subtle bone]

Honestly its unlikely you’ll completely freeze up and forget mechs

[stuck wigeon]

cos stack spread is literally the BnB of almost every fight in ffxiv

[subtle marsh]

I mean specifically on 9. Cuz on 9, h/t don't move. I was in a learning party with some friends and a couple of times I forgot to adjust my positioning for it.

[stuck wigeon]

ok well im sure youre able to make that adjustment

nothing to do with the specifics of the job, just playing a different role and thus doing the mechanic a little differently

I guess you need to spend more time practising

[subtle marsh]

I guess so. I think I probably just have higher expectations for myself than I should.

[subtle bone]

High expectation is fine if you can put in the extra time and work i guess

Otherwise , lower expectations

[stuck wigeon]

especially if youre playing a role you are not familiar with

be prepared to die a lot

[subtle marsh]

This is what sucks the most.

[stuck wigeon]

but you should take it as a learning experience, you wont play the job well without fucking up

if you want to reduce the amount of wipes and deaths i would recommend chekcing out the guides at the balance

keeping yourself informed of your job capabilites will increase the rate at which you improve

drg is the easiest melee so probably the best choice for transitioning to melee dps

slow gcd, very rigid rotation, not too many oGCDs

you have to be dying a lot anyway as melee dps if you wanna maximise dps potential

via greed and uptime

[subtle marsh]

That's true.
I'm struggling a little bit with alignment because exarchic is a is full of sks and I only had a few left over pieces of antique gear.

But you're right. Just gotta get in there.

[stuck wigeon]

you just need to get to a point where you are comfortable playing with the job

drg has a long gcd combo so youll need to be wary of where you place your skills

at least your gcd ones

[subtle marsh]

It's definitely fun, I'm enjoying it more than I did astro. I really enjoy the melee aspect.

[stuck wigeon]

nice

melee dps is a busy role in general since you also have the melee limitation to play with

youll find enjoyment in squeezing out extra gcds the more you play as the job

[subtle marsh]

That'll definitely be very nice when I get to that point.

Ty for the pep talk

[stuck wigeon]

yw, enjoy the job

[tacit kite]

Yeah i was shit at sam until i slowly learned it

There is a learning curve. People dont just press buttons

[drowsy agate]

wait

they don't?

wtf have i been doing

[stable nimbus]

Does Feint work on anything in e12s?

[undone tide]

Formless Judgement

the palm knockback, surprisingly

[quick verge]

in p2 there's also the 1st hit of darkest dance, somber dance, black halo, and spirit taker

[undone tide]

The only fight where feint gets more than one use this tier

Not counting autos.

[quick verge]

e10

e11 haha xd

[stable basin]

just feint burnished glory

[undone tide]

I said more than one.

[quick verge]

there's more than 1 tb

[undone tide]

Only 1 of which is not going to be invulned.

and all of them count as 1 anyway

[quick verge]

and there's also the shadow's edge thing after

so

more than 1

[undone tide]

You have a warrior

anyway feint is useless (most of the time) thank you for coming to my ted talk

[quick verge]

well yea

melees rise up or something

[undone tide]

[quick verge]

feint peaked in e7s

[undone tide]

[quick verge]

or maybe tea

idk

[undone tide]

feint is in LL, I know that much

[toxic fulcrum]

feint is feint extra mitigation doesnt hurt

[subtle marsh]

Or does it?

[quick verge]

yes

[toxic fulcrum]

wut

[subtle marsh]

I was make a joke. Never mind

[undone tide]

I was make a joke
Go get some coffee or sleep

[elder dawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/266347072012156928/825161431061889084/8dqt786bmdp61.mp4

[small wind]

I recognise that name

[dull radish]

Please feint sprit taker ok thanks

[finite plank]

feinting is standard for me

[stable basin]

casters sad if you don't

[subtle cave]

@nova socket finally fkn orange on e12s p1

and im really not happy about it

[nova socket]

How so?

[subtle cave]

it could have been a pink but i clipped probs 1s worth of gcd's

also we were using delayed buffs

and i wasn't comfortable with it

i was doing it cos felyne does it

but idk, i feel it's a personal loss

cos i dont have buffed manafic/embolden/tech melee combo

[nova socket]

Delaying buffs on doorboss is really scuffed on most jobs

People just need to play better and just burst during shiva tbh

[finite plank]

i thought it'd mean delaying buffs for lions

[subtle cave]

yeah

i really prefer it

like, only crappy dancers miss ppl with tech

i never miss anyone with embolden other than casters

which i dont care about

but im not gonna delay buffs anymore

i feel like im re optimising cos im doing it

tho, it did give me a better parse? but it's not like i cant achieve that with a good party

/killtime

[nova socket]

You have to do buffs hard on cooldown in speedruns so we had to re-learn everything kinda to make shit proper

[subtle cave]

yeah

[nova socket]

like leylines and astro doing divi + cards during lions etc

making sure dnc and ast consistently hit all 8

[subtle cave]

im streaming if u wanna watch neko

niko*

[finite plank]

well

i managed to hit 8 gcds into ta during lions as non tethered

[nova socket]

I need to cook food while on a break now Ill come check every now n then

[subtle cave]

kewl

[nova socket]

Keep in mind astro has to be baiting 1/3 big lions and hit all with divi

and heal the mechanic

[finite plank]

what astro

anyways, brain still small for holding buffs

should embolden be up for lions ?

[subtle cave]

yes

[finite plank]

lions ends at 6:27?

i'm gonna assume yes since i didn't expect anyone to be holding buffs

[subtle cave]

idk check my logs lol

[foggy latch]

e12s doorboss is just crap to jobs with buffs

especially on 2 mins cd

and im gonna delay tech regardless at shiva

cba to make sure all ppl get it when they run away like shitters when they see aoe markers despite they resolve 10 secs later

[nova socket]

thats just a l2p issue for the group

[cursive escarp]

you guys beat thre ga,me yet?

[dull radish]

there isn't especially such a thing as "beating the game", it's an ongoing game with new content released over time, and new endgame raids that come out. All current content has been beaten by many players, but there's plenty more to come in the future

[foggy latch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitpostXIV/comments/mdoxlx/finding_a_static/

[astral agate]

hi, i am looking for an fc to start doing endgame content with, i just beat shadowbringers and want to start getting into the raids.

[stuck wigeon]

check out the ffxiv recruitment channels

[verbal oak]

SUPER niche question, but will the relic for 5.55 carry over the stats from the 515 weapon? did it do that with the anima relic?

[steady pebble]

yes

whatever stats you went with for that stage, carry over into the next stages

[verbal oak]

oh fuck thats really damn good

for MCH specifically

guess i got something to do for until 5.5

[brisk obsidian]

omg sorry

my cat lol

[kind schooner]

whats up with ninja being middle of the pack in aDPS in e11s but then top of rDPS charts, is trick attack really THAT insane

theres a similar jump in other floors but e11 is the only one where they beat even blm and sam

[nova socket]

With downtime you have higher trick uptime

Which makes ninja really good in that fight

Like example, you trick before prismatic, then have 10s or smth of doing 123

then prismatic you can instantly trick again

its poggers af

that happens multiple times that fight as well

[kind schooner]

ah that makes sense. The downtimes are always when trick is on CD anyway so it's really fortunate timing

[pale plover]

can I change what role I queue up for with blue mage?

[quick verge]

no

[pale plover]

damn 😦

I made mine a healer and can only queue as DPS xDDD

[quick verge]

if you're making a group through pf, you'll need people to announce what role they're going in as

[pale plover]

ohhh you cant even use duty finder as blu

😦

how do I unlock this?

[quick verge]

to unlock titan ex, do the quest quake me up before you o'ghomoro which can be found in the waking sands

[pale plover]

no i mean the blue mage log

[dull radish]

have to do your job quests for BLU

[dusky tendon]

Right, since general chat is abit of a mess atm i'll ask here instead. Got summoner to 80 and ilvl of 442, is copied factory/eden a potential route to go in regards of gearing up. Or what route would be best if i don't want to spend to much on exarchic gear initially

[subtle marsh]

Could just get tome gear with a mix of the promise antique gear.

[dusky tendon]

the 480 tome gear right?

490*

[sinful brook]

490 tome gear is uncapped so its free to farm for

get that and then get yourself into eden's promise normal for the 510 gear tokens

[dusky tendon]

Yeah, will do, cheers

What's the most efficient means to farm uncapped tomes?

[subtle marsh]

I like matoyas personally.

It's rather braindead as far as dungeons go with 50 revelations a run.

[sinful brook]

hunt trains are a good source

[subtle marsh]

Also note for the eden normal stuff, you only get 1 piece per fight per week.

[sinful brook]

120 revelation and 240 allegory per train

takes about 15-20 minutes for your server to blow through one train

[dusky tendon]

Oh yeah, summoner is brutally efficent at hunt trains to since it's all burst at the start

[sinful brook]

though you do need flying

[subtle marsh]

Pieces like chest, helm, gloves, legs and boots need multiple pieces.

Accessories /belt are one.

[sinful brook]

or at least someone to carry you through

[dusky tendon]

That's no problem

I have flying fully unlocked already

Yeah, that part i remember about those raids Loure

[sinful brook]

240 per train will get you all your pieces pretty quickly

and it'll cap your revelation so you can start on those cryptlurker pieces

[dusky tendon]

So i need to prirotize the biggest gain

Ayup

[sinful brook]

no you can prioritize your enjoyment

[dusky tendon]

I meant for eden gear

[sinful brook]

and take your time doing content with a level 80 job

typical gear recommendation priority is

lowest ilvl pieces > weapon > chest/legs > head/hands/feet > accessories

[dusky tendon]

Go for the stats that benefit the class the most ideally

Or that yeah

[sinful brook]

you can't really customize things outside of substat melds/choice

but unless you're aiming for bis its not really a huge deal to have meh substats

outside of GCD tiering

[dusky tendon]

true enough yeah

[sinful brook]

and jobs can only equip gear with the right suffix at this level anyways

not like casters could wear fending

[dusky tendon]

Yeah, gonna be practicing getting good at summoner

Which as a class is more rotation than gear to be fair

Tho gear does help a fair bit

Err, by rotation i mean the opener rather since it'sa pretty rigid opener but with quite alot of things to remember in terms of weaving

I'll get the 490 tome gear then start working on edenverse gear

[sinful brook]

Edens verse is last tier

Normal mode 480 savage 500

[dusky tendon]

eden gear*

[sinful brook]

Were on edens promise currently

In about 2 weeks the normal tier should unlock

So 510 pieces become very accessible

[dusky tendon]

oh yeah, new patch

removes the cap on how many items you can get per weelk

[sinful brook]

Only for normal mode

[dusky tendon]

Yeah

But as you said, easy access to 510 gear

[verbal oak]

will it unlock for swords as well?

[steady pebble]

usually no

[verbal oak]

ah

[steady pebble]

they just reduce the amount of blades needed to exchange

from 7 to 4

[slender ether]

I’m actually wondering if they could do another deep dungeon but stick with the FF4 theme and call it the Tower of Babel

[dusky tendon]

Wouldn't be surprised if that's planned for endwalker

[stable basin]

https://youtu.be/xbZ1Qp89FKU

[quick verge]

what is this

[drowsy agate]

what do you mean

it's a great TEA guide

[toxic fulcrum]

Lol

[verbal oak]

when 6.0 comes out, will they add items to the ruby emerald and diamond weapons to make glowy crafted weapons?

[steady pebble]

usually when they added the crafted version, they use the rare crafting drop from it

i.e emerald plating etc

[serene lotus]

Unlikely to be immediately available in 6.0

Susano and Byakko still need their crafted weapons

[steady pebble]

there's also that too as well

iirc first crafted trial weapon for 5.0 was in 5.2 with shinryu

[mint falcon]

Quick question, what does BR in e9s mean?

[finite plank]

brambles?

[mint falcon]

Ah, ok thanks. I was overthinking it thinking it was "boss relative" for some other mechanic

[frank quiver]

If it’s in the PF description, it probably means “boss relative.”

Brambles by itself isn’t a strategy.

For E9S brambles, people tend to write, “happy brambles, T/H ne DPS sw” or the like.

[sinful brook]

means boss relative

they would reference the strat name for brambles in a description instead

[mint falcon]

Ah, and to follow up, boss relative for art of darkness, right?

[quick verge]

yes

[frank quiver]

Idk if it’s just me, but “relativity” expectations fucked me up at first, since I was new to raiding this tier—

“Boss relative” generally refers to select mechanics, not all mechanics. For instance, brambles and tile assignments are always absolute, unless otherwise noted.

[quick verge]

cloud points herself true north for tiles anyway

for brambles, there isn't a reason why she shouldn't be facing north before them anyway

[frank quiver]

True, but some tanks don’t point north before the mechanic goes off, and I thought we were supposed to adjust to the way the tank situated the boss. Eventually learned I was just misunderstanding norms.

[shy mural]

does anyone else see a brain?

[sinful brook]

Nope no brains here

[stable basin]

what else is it supposed to be 🧍‍♂️

[quick verge]

magic

one could even say that it’s magic overlayed on an artist’s interpretation of a solar eclipse

not outside the realm of possibility when pld has another ability named total eclipse

[torn kindle]

Looks like a glowy round shield

[stable basin]

Ok when u zoom in its more obvious

But from afar

[subtle marsh]

I'm having difficulty figuring out where to position myself for air wide on dragoon in e9s. It's the one place I consistently die because I either move too soon or too late.

If I don't try to dps during it I can do mechs fine, but, I'd rather not lose that many gcds.

I'm trying to find a marker on the arena I can use as a visual of possible.

[foggy latch]

@subtle marsh u stay a tiny bit behind the white area

[undone tide]

ayyyy we finally got a minutes worth of ultimate news

[thorn plaza]

Leviathan unreal is what we might be getting

Pain

He's annoying

And it adds fake difficulty with the "if you get knocked off you can't be ressed"

[toxic fulcrum]

I was hoping for ifrit

[lyric summit]

you're getting ||lunar ifrit|| 👀

[sinful brook]

Ifrit 3

[toxic fulcrum]

But healers exploding in ifrit

Idk what levi ex is like I only done it unsynched

[sinful brook]

Fun for nin

Gotta turn around to aim raiton at head

[toxic fulcrum]

So like dark and PLD have to tank the tail because their magic attacks

Oh wait they tank the head since tail has magic resistance

[finite plank]

but the head won't have the TA debuff :(

[steady pebble]

just use fuma instead x)

[sinful brook]

Big pepega

Raidbuff that only like 3 people in your party can use

[finite plank]

but my potentially fat 205k hyosho ranryu

[dusk sapphire]

This whole "collision system upgrade"... is it related to that delay-reducer tool?

[toxic fulcrum]

Nah probably more for the bots in pvp also making sure things don’t mess up when having better systems

High frame rates be wild

[foggy latch]

@dusk sapphire something related to clipping too

better hardware = less chance to clip weaves

before everyone had same clipping ratio

now hardware can make it different

we may have reduced animation lock based on command than on server tick ( hopefully )

[stable basin]

that would be the dream

and enforce the process of getting proper qol fixes as make utility that fixes issue -> devs finally notice -> devs implement legit but slightly worse version

[undone tide]

@stable basin have you gotten your e12s reclear this week

[stable basin]

$verify

$update

[steady pebble]

[sinful brook]

wrong discord

[subtle marsh]

ty this helps.

[rain field]

I wanna start this tier soon, I know I'm late but wonder if anyoen can recommend me an up to date guide for e9s

[nova socket]

https://www.youtube.com/user/rithli/videos

[subtle marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXpwP4vu700

[rain field]

these are only strategies for especific mechanics right?

[quick verge]

https://saltedxiv.com/encounters/e9s

[subtle marsh]

Your best option for resolving the mechanic is going to be either happy/rin. Happy is most common but some folks do use rin. Up to your discretion as to which is comfiest for you.

They're strat guides but they also go over how to resolve major mechanics.

What biscuit posted gives you a list of vid guides and o ther resources to figure out how to do things.

[rain field]

I see that the brambles mechanic is the most covered

[sinful brook]

Its the one with the most variation for how groups can approach solving it

Most of the other mechanics aren't too varied in pf

[rain field]

oh god

panels seems complicated

[subtle marsh]

You mean tiles?

[rain field]

yeah

[subtle marsh]

It's not bad; can get a little tedious at times with refreshing and sorting that out.

[gilded bolt]

Does anyone have a recommendation for a Bozja discord? I don’t know if it’s seen as endgame but I just unlocked it and was looking to queue up with some folks.

[subtle marsh]

I checked resources and didn't see a link to any bozja servers so hopefully someone from your DC can hook you up.

[gilded bolt]

Thanks for looking into it @subtle marsh

[stable basin]

you don't have a datacenter role so idk exactly which one you'd need but this is the primal forays server https://discord.gg/primalforays

their icon is BA but they do bojza too

and they have links in their info section for crystal/aether BA discords which I assume also do bozja as well

If not, they probably have people who can point you in the right direction

[hoary prairie]

Hi there, so me and my friend recently completed each of the shb ex trials a couple times and wanna step into savage tonight, we were thinking of hopping into pf for umbra since its current tier; is that the best choice of action or should we start with something like resurrection?

[subtle marsh]

Stepping into the current tier is fine.
It is suggested to watch at least a guide and partake in some learning parties (or start your own) so that you can get started.

[hoary prairie]

that was what we planned on, we both study hard on guides to ensure we can be efficient as possible.

[subtle marsh]

You s houldn't have any problems then.

[hoary prairie]

mk, thanks for the help!

[steady pebble]

[rancid stream]

Anyone know a raiding discord for Crystal? Looking to take a stab at E7s for the glams

[steady pebble]

https://discord.gg/Nw6Wuy5

[rancid stream]

Thanks!

[short dirge]

Any crafters that can lend me a hand with the Zodiac Brave step?

[subtle marsh]

If it was removed the first time might be not wise to post it again.

[stable basin]

Youre right

[pulsar thorn]

Is nobody playing pvp at all nowadays ?

[quick verge]

should be more active because of the ongoing moogle tome event, but maybe not outside of peak hours on your data center

[pulsar thorn]

When is this event coming out exactly ?..

[quick verge]

it’s active now until the release of 5.5

[pulsar thorn]

Oh, yeah sure i'm dumb

Just wasn't thinking of that event, thought it was another one coming up

[gilded bolt]

@stable basin Thank you so much! I am on Crystal so I’ll look into how to update my profile

[verbal oak]

if I can't do savage for my 2nd ring for MCH, what can i get over the 510 crafted ring?

in 5.5

[steady pebble]

unaugmented cryptlurker

since you'll be able to buy the augment items with the alliance raid tokens/nuts

[subtle marsh]

You can get 511 with emex weapon, exarchic, an unaugmented crypt, and some eden normal gear

This is me right now.

So you have an idea of what I did to mix and match

[drowsy agate]

you should be able to upgrade exarchic to 520 in 5.5

but the real question is

why can't you do savage

[quick verge]

who cares

[frank quiver]

Might not want to, might not have a static, etc. I cleared up to E11S recently with PF, and it was a pain in the ass.

When does the relic weapon get an upgrade? Is that also in 5.5?

[subtle marsh]

The final tier is 5.5 I believe, yes.

[quick verge]

.55

[subtle marsh]

Oh, sorry. ty biscuit

[drowsy agate]

I care

too many people are intimidated by savage

[sinful brook]

It might not even be an intimidation factor

Just lack of time

[quick verge]

or they don't care for it

you only need to answer the question presented

[worthy warren]

if peeps don’t wanna do savage, they don’t wanna do savage. they don’t need to justify it

[verbal oak]

nah my static has some new players, and they want to do every savage in the game in a row

so its gonna be a bit before we get to e9s lol

[undone tide]

Just start with e9s

[quick verge]

they don’t want to

[undone tide]

Doesn't make sense

[quick verge]

doesn't need to

[frank quiver]

To each their own, but I don't think there's much benefit from starting out with the very first savage either. I'm a newer player as well, and I was hellbent on doing all of ARR's extreme trials before doing any endgame stuff, and in the end, I found that just impeded my (personal) progress. Better to match the community to get the full (or closest to full) experience.

And ugh, I don't want to relic grind.

Bozja...

[undone tide]

Tiers throughout the expac are all made to be relatively similar in difficulty

So starting with the first tier won't change much

And even then in the first tier, you skip all important mechanics except I guess titan forms and uplift 2

[thorn plaza]

anyone got statistics on what % of the playerbase have cleard ultimates

[foggy latch]

from latest statistic that released sometime in feb

clear rate of all fights were 1-2% of current subbed players ( just cleared not those with double/triple legend titles which are far less than 1% )

[summer junco]

^ something like that, you mean?

[foggy latch]

thats not right

at all

[torn kindle]

i bet that site only looks at registered people for %'s

[foggy latch]

yes

[torn kindle]

which most people who would naturally do lots of stuff

[foggy latch]

but lets compare it with total number of ppم subbed

lets look at tea

1056 ppl cleared tea in that site which is also wrong

compared to last census which had around 800k players iirc

so then we are talking about 0.13% clear rate

which is wrong

[foggy latch]

thats some interesting bug we had at e12s

https://streamable.com/9ei4gr

[rapid stratus]

is it generally faster to power through 15 delubrum runs or just grind potd for relics

cuz like

my luck in potd is yikes

but honest to god I don't think I can deal with 20 hours of delubrum

[serene lotus]

If you have a group that knows what they're doing it should be faster to do PotD

[rapid stratus]

Is it still faster if you're just going with randos?

When I'm power leveling with potd I find my runs taking around 15 minutes on average

[serene lotus]

You need to have a full premade to go further than floor 100, where the drop rate starts being actually noticeable

Well, not full premade, but fixed party

[rapid stratus]

Oh wait what the rates go up after 100?

[steady pebble]

yeah

[rapid stratus]

Wooow I remembered hearing it didn't change rip

would've started sooner

really wish I started the relic quest before I did my 50-200 run in january

or wait no

[nova socket]

its almost always better to do potd if you just want relics

[rapid stratus]

it wasn't out then was it

[quick verge]

nope

[rapid stratus]

anyways uh what is the stat distribution part like

Couldn't get a clear picture so like what would I be doing once I get the 515 weapon

[steady pebble]

basically just follow meld priority when you get to choose your stats

[rapid stratus]

yeah but like how do you get the stat points

what would I be grinding

[serene lotus]

You put them in when you get it

[rapid stratus]

wait what it just gives you all the points right away?

[serene lotus]

It did for me

[rapid stratus]

w a c k

[serene lotus]

Then you can grind if you want to redistribute them

[rapid stratus]

ok that's actually a huge relief

[steady pebble]

yeah

[rapid stratus]

I've been doing tons of anima weapons so I had the feeling it would have something like the crystal sand again

[steady pebble]

you just assign the points once you finish that stage

only thing you need to get extra is if you wanna redistribute

which you buy Aetherial Sealant with poetics

[rapid stratus]

Every time I get a job to 60 my poetics instantly disappear because the lux anima weapon for it always looks sick as hell and I go through another anima grind

I've done it 3 times now it's hell

God sometimes I wish there was another eureka weapon I liked besides BRD

at least then I'd have some decent source of poetics

[finite plank]

huh, that's a weird movement

curious on what made gaia move like that

[verbal oak]

the stats on the diamond weapons for 5.5 will be datamined on the monday before the patch right?

[quick verge]

whenever the patch can be downloaded

so maybe early tuesday morning (EDT)

[verbal oak]

ah ok

[undone tide]

They'll be 525

[digital saffron]

in e12s is it actually possible to jump back to the middle after the phase transition knockback?
i heard you can get into the cutscene if you time movement skill right or something

[undone tide]

no

arms length it

[dull radish]

you can't arm's length that

I've tried kb cancelling it but haven't been successful, not sure if it's possible. But I did get my LL chilling in the cutscene at least

[quick verge]

i know you're able to have shukuchi launch you back to the middle

the timing for other movement abilities might be too tight to consistently do

idk

[finite plank]

phase transition for knockback?

at the end?

why?

[stable basin]

cuz it's funny

[nimble wedge]

You can try to time your raise for that

[undone tide]

Yea but that implies you died

[rapid umbra]

Its ok just blame the healer

[toxic fulcrum]

Anything for the lols

[wise quiver]

is it any useful to save up tomes of revelation for the upcoming patch?

will they amount needed to buy the 520 gear be reduced?

or cn they be used to buy higher level gear?

[subtle marsh]

The augmented crypt lurker I believe is 530

[lyric summit]

nothing will change with revelation

allegory you'll be able to spend for tokens to upgrade 510 exarchic to 520

[potent vigil]

Diamond weapon should have 525 accessories, right?

[sinful brook]

Yes

Wait no

Not accessories

Just weapon

520 cryptlurker accessories will be upgradeable without savage in 5.5

So there's little reason to have accessories drop from there

[potent vigil]

Yeah, just wondering since I'm pretty sure SB had 2 trials that had accessories drop

one early on and then one later

[sinful brook]

Only Lakshmi iirc had accessories

[potent vigil]

Huh

Alright then

[sinful brook]

Lakshmi ex

[stable basin]

Only a MSQ trial drops accessories, from the looks of it

Inno in shb and lakshmi in sb

Side Trials Series will always be weapons

[quick verge]

ash ketchum

[serene lotus]

Michael Scott

[hearty sandal]

anyone else lagging in instances?

[finite plank]

the old man we get to beat up within 3 minutes

with a crippling disease called old age

[verbal oak]

the eureka relics are BIS for ultimates right? and the laws order for TEA

[stable basin]

laws order is bis for all ultimates

[verbal oak]

oh sick, and i just change it for each fight?

[stable basin]

to be completely optimal yeah

though uwu/ucob can be mostly handled by the same setup

my nin daggers for example are capped on 3 stats for uwu and wouldn't gain a gcd tier in ucob if I was able to max sks there anyway so they're optimal for both at once

[verbal oak]

nice, good to know, was about to grind in eureka for that lol

[stable basin]

tea is where you get really weird/cursed setups

yea hydatos relic has stat cap of 1k but 700+ is not free and 800+ is very hard

laws order is just 1167 any way you like

[subtle marsh]

Will laws order always be bis or will that potentially change?

[verbal oak]

of course eureka would be needlessly obtuse

[stable basin]

i515 laws order will be worse than i535 laws order in most cases but ucob is already capping out

like you literally cannot make a better weapon for ucob than my nin daggers

[subtle marsh]

What is capping?

[stable basin]

in terms of total possible value

cuz when you sync down each substat is capped off at the max for a substat at that ilvl

for uwu that's 318, for ucob it's 280

[subtle marsh]

Oh, so like 318 crit or something?

[stable basin]

if you have 280 in all stats for ucob then something with 500 in all substats isn't better

yeah

[subtle marsh]

I see OK. Does it change each tier? You mentioned ucob is already at that stage. I'm assuming at Stat squish it will lower again?

[stable basin]

It will probably change things but we'll see

and not 100% what you mean by changing each tier

like bis for old ultis does slowly evolve

though there will be a point where that stops as we get 100% optimal items for every slot

[verbal oak]

ye it doesnt evolve by tier, more by new things that can be optimized

[stable basin]

you can't get really good sks/dh rings for sam for example

or even sks/det

we might also see a shakeup in relative value of synced gear

[verbal oak]

i kinda like these ideas behind ultimates, make it seem like a scavenger hunt for the tippy top

[stable basin]

right now synced weapon is a gain in ucob, synced chest/pants/accessories are a tiny loss, synced head/hands/feet are a moderate loss

assuming there's an i345 piece with the right stats

[verbal oak]

Bis for Ucob is stuff from o4s tier right?

[stable basin]

but that's down to the gap between high/low substats vs the value of materia so if they do something crazy like just remove meld slots for old gear then we'd see synced be 100% better or equivalent at the very worst

It used to be, but I don't think many o4s pieces are bis any more

if any

[verbal oak]

interesting

i should just check the balance

[stable basin]

Cuz o4s dropped i340 armor+i345 weapon, and the fight syncs to i345 to not troll your fancy savage weapon

[subtle marsh]

I find it interesting that you have to consider like that.

[stable basin]

the armor is missing some mainstat/vit and substat as a result

[verbal oak]

(not that im close to doing and ultimates right now lol)

[stable basin]

balance has old ulti bis for some jobs but not others afaik

some job faqs are "just used synced gear lol"

I'd actually like bis to really matter again in ucob/uwu

Right now getting an actual bis together for them is a bit of a meme unless you're specifically trying to skip ifrit dashes or something because the dps checks are completely trivialized

But I expect stat squish comes with some rebalancing as well so it's possible they'll be harder in EW

[subtle marsh]

Is harder better?

[stable basin]

imo yeah

rn it's in a weird spot

like you still have to do mechanics properly

you miss a hatch in tenstrike and you are 100% dead no exceptions

but you can trim phases down past the point of what was intended and having easier prog just because the fight is a minute shorter and you have less time to make mistakes just feels bleh

it can actually be a problem in uwu because you use lb3 for transition to ultima and start the phase with like 1.2 bars, and you need lb3 again close to the end of the phase

but you can hit his hp threshold push so fast that you don't get lb3 when you need it and wipe

[verbal oak]

yikes

[stable basin]

it's suuuper annoying to wipe that way

[verbal oak]

sounds like the OG savage tuning in this game lmao

[stable basin]

and you can cheese lb but healers need a good plan and some balls

cuz cheese lb means let people be at low hp for raidwides

you can also strugglebus super hard and still make it through

like it used to be a nailbiter if you had one death during/after suppression or two before it and you likely would just fail dps check

[subtle marsh]

Yeah, I think I'd like it harder too I theorut, as I've not personally tried ultimate.

Cuz if everything is so trivialized and all that's stopping you is rng (like jagd dolls), that doesn't feel very satisfying.

[stable basin]

now you can have a handful of deaths and still not have anyone die to the 1 by 1 execution enrage

Like I said it's a weird spot because mechanics will still kick your butt

I'm doing ucob reprog and dps checks weren't a big deal even when it was current but it's far, far harder than uwu because of mechanical difficulty and its tendency to just hard wipe you on failure

but destroying every phase so quickly feels horrible

even bahamut, which can't be cut short since it doesn't die and just checks at the start of golden if you got blue bahamut to <60% hp as your "kill" threshold

[subtle marsh]

Ucob is the easiest?

[stable basin]

easiest to hardest is uwu <<<<<<< ucob < tea imo

[subtle marsh]

Er, excuse me I meant uwu

[stable basin]

yea

ucob easily has the hardest mechanics but the absolute lack of dps check sucks

[undone tide]

dps checks are not the only factor in ultimate

They vomit mechanics and that's intended

[stable basin]

you used to be boned if anyone at all died in golden bahamut since they lose the double damage buff (and also gain weakness)

[subtle marsh]

What makes tea harder than ucob?

[stable basin]

now you can have a death or two

just the fact that you can fail dps check on it

[subtle marsh]

Ah, that's a little disappointing

[stable basin]

phase 3/4 dps checks are still somewhat tight

tea mechs are still pretty hard fwiw

though it's also mostly frontloaded

[subtle marsh]

I'm watching a prog? Reclear? Right now of it.

[stable basin]

first 2 phases are absolute chaos and have almost zero room for error

you literally have to do p2 perfectly or you fail gavel near the end

[subtle marsh]

First two is living liquid and Alexander prime? Or am I missing one.

[verbal oak]

first part of UCOB was not too bad

[undone tide]

LL>BJCC>Prime>Perfect

[verbal oak]

random PF of people got twintania to like 38% in 40 mins

[undone tide]

in 40 mins?

yeesh

my pug group killed twin in like 3 pulls

[verbal oak]

oh i forgot some of them already prolly cleared thats why

i knew it was too good to be true

[undone tide]

Without nisi BJCC would be a joke of a phase

like BJCC is only hard because of nisi

you have to handle nisi while also doing mechanics and also trying to stay socially distanced

[stable basin]

ucob difficulty is very backloaded

[undone tide]

nael?

[stable basin]

tea hardest parts are LL (first 2 mins), limit cut (next minute), BJCC (next ~2 minutes), and wormhole (~9 minutes)

ucob hardest parts are tenstrike, octet, and adds which all come in sequence starting like 10 minutes in

[subtle marsh]

Oh interesting.

[verbal oak]

how much easier is E12S compared UWU?

[stable basin]

hmmmm

[verbal oak]

or is it harder lol

[stable basin]

tank dual apoc bait is like ultimate difficulty mech imo

[undone tide]

[stable basin]

uwu still has hard/precise mechs

[undone tide]

dw I can't do it either

[subtle marsh]

Cats are you familiar with the player soviet hammer?

[stable basin]

titan gaols are notoriously precise

I don't know him but I know of him

[subtle marsh]

He's the streamer I'm watching clear ultimate. Started watching because he plays dragoon.

[undone tide]

What about him?

He's top DRG in I think all 3 ults

[subtle marsh]

Nothing, I was just inquiring.

[stable basin]

I know he's a filthy padder

He's a good player don't get me wrong

I was gonna say you don't get a top ulti parse by accident but that's not actually correct :^)

[subtle marsh]

Paddler?

Padder

Omg

[stable basin]

yeh

uwu has 2 sets of 4 adds and then 4 more adds in ifrit (realistically 2 you can pad on at once) so uwu parsing revolves around that

also killtime

[subtle marsh]

Ah I see.

[stable basin]

like you can lop 30s off of ifrit by doing 1% more damage if you'd otherwise leave him barely alive for dashes

and killtime varies what's good vs what's not, shorter so the add pad spike is more meaningful vs longer to make up for downtime, also stuff like did you lose a use of a big cd by going too fast or did other people lose a use of their raidbuffs

which is why parsing ulti is a meme

that, and people shouldn't be shamed for clearing the hardest content in the game

you get a grey in tea, you're the very worst of the very best ¯_(ツ)_/¯

or like I said you just have really sucky strats/killtime

[verbal oak]

I've heard a bit on how people are more toxic towards people with legend titles

any stock in that rumor?

[subtle marsh]

Makes sense. So if you were to run act is it strictly just to see where you're missing damage?

[undone tide]

definitely truth

[stable basin]

I've never experienced anything serious but probably because I always push my buttons

[undone tide]

people with the title or weapon will be insulted if they play bad because of their expectations

[stable basin]

I remember backflipping off the last boss in amaurot and one of the party said "legend indeed"

which idk was joking or not

but haven't really caught any other "legend btw" other than good-natured ribbing from friend

and running act is mostly useful for checking stuff out yeah

rotational stuff/buff alignments

parse numbers themselves aren't totally meaningless but they're also not super important

they're just like one more thing for the pile of stuff to consider

[subtle marsh]

Idk. I feel like ultimate is kind of overblown in difficulty with how casually people comment on how easy it is to clear.

[steady pebble]

well....it also kind of depends on the group

[subtle marsh]

Like, people saying you can clear if people sandbag, and what with mention of skipping mechs.

[stable basin]

Kael speaks big truth

[steady pebble]

uwu may be considered the easiest to clear but that doesn't mean every group is going to clear it easily

you still have to be a fairly decent player to be able to clear

[stable basin]

even for uwu most groups spend dozens of hours

[subtle marsh]

That makes sense.

[stable basin]

you can get carried, to a greater or lesser degree

I know someone who saw perfect alex for the first time and got rescued into place for both fate calibrations

the rest of perfect alex mechs are follow the leader stuff

or I should say the one other mech

[verbal oak]

yeah im watchin trinimmortal do his runs of UWU

[stable basin]

so they're a perfect legend despite not knowing wtf they were doing in the last 5 minutes of the fight

[verbal oak]

he;s on like 500 pulls now?

[steady pebble]

trin is big dummy x)

but yeah they're somewhere in those numbers

[verbal oak]

das true

[stable basin]

are they on uhh

[undone tide]

There's a static out there who spent 200 hours on tea

[stable basin]

annihilation?

is my guess

for 500 pulls

[verbal oak]

you think I know wtf is going on in there?

i just think it looks cool

[stable basin]

tru lol

[steady pebble]

they had a 1% wipe

[undone tide]

Which is kinda very yikes because 200 hours on tea is very very bad when my static is in BJCC in like 6-8~ hours?

[stable basin]

oo so they're just about cleared

[steady pebble]

ye

567

[stable basin]

200 hours on tea is definitely yikes

[steady pebble]

that was the 1% wipe pull

[stable basin]

Prolly clear before 600 then

not guaranteed ofc because you can see super deep into a fight and then meme around on early phases

[steady pebble]

actually he cleared already lol i forgot

[stable basin]

I legit don't know if I've seen golden bahamut a single time without wiping to twisters on the next pull

[steady pebble]

he's a youtuber

who's....not very consistent lately with his videos

[stable basin]

yee I remember his "Beats League" vids

trying to win on every skin of every champ or whatever

[undone tide]

League

[steady pebble]

annie video is still the best

[undone tide]

[steady pebble]

watching that man descend into madness was amazing

[stable basin]

yeah lol

[undone tide]

Man having a static is so refreshing

[stable basin]

buut yeah with ulti prog it's ok to go at your own pace but there's still a point where there is something fundamentally lacking at play

[undone tide]

Getting to make jokes about smn in 6.0 :)

[stable basin]

200 hours def falls into the latter

[undone tide]

Uhhh brain?

[stable basin]

IIRC Xeno's group took like 150 hours because they nolifed it from release which means super long hours where fatigue takes over and no developed strats

also the raidleader having mirror-polished brain

[subtle marsh]

I like mirror polish get me some of that for my brain plz

I want a rain as smooth as a baby's

Brain

[stable basin]

me no want think me just want be happy

[subtle marsh]

Exactly

[undone tide]

I was happy till I met loving liquid

[steady pebble]

another victim to pepsi man

who would've thought that he would be claiming victims in 2021

[undone tide]

this has been my constant mood since I started tea

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/m57vua/oc_i_tracked_my_final_fantasy_xiv_statics_tea/

Found the post

[stable basin]

yeah I don't think I could ride that sort of group out

[foggy latch]

@stable basin did u miss the reddit post where a grp did 1600 pulls to clear tea?

[stable basin]

idk

might have seen it

I do see people mention offhand their 150 hours of prog or whatever in the subreddit sometimes

I know someone made a cool graph with a dot for every wipe plotted by fight duration and date

[foggy latch]

the guy spent 6 days on it ( assuming non stop pulling and excluding breaks )

[stable basin]

where you can see the solid lines at limit cut, gavel, and wormhole

[foggy latch]

yes that one

[stable basin]

and yeah he spent quite a while

hopped groups cuz first was too slow then first group cleared before his second group

[foggy latch]

lol

my opinion is

if you spend more than 3 digit hours in an ultimate thats a yikes

unless you are a group that is learning mechs on the go

like week 1

pre guides

best raid exp i had was clearing ucob in 21 hours

though i had exp til tenstrikes

took me 50 hours to get there?

[quick verge]

2.3k pulls

[dusk sapphire]

What vid y'all recommend for e12s?

[stable basin]

text guides + find a clear vod

[sinful brook]

joonbob has a p1 and p2 vid out

[stable basin]

o snap

definitely watch those then

[sinful brook]

they're pretty good

he has an individual clip for cross (bilibili) as well

since his vid features line

[finite plank]

i need a "how do i do tank orbs in e10s for dummies"

[quick verge]

stand closest to the purple orbs instead of the orange orbs

[finite plank]

er, how do I coordinate myself for the orbs on the wall part?

i get clock but... brain is thinking unnneccesary hard if it's a line now

[quick verge]

does your macro/pf not say how you're lining up for orbs

[finite plank]

well

im used to being a dps

[quick verge]

cause you can either line up for orbs facing the wall or facing the boss

[finite plank]

er, can i see an example

nvm?

i think i can guess...?

[quick verge]

should be the same method as dps, but applied for purple orbs instead

if your strat wants you to take the rightmost orb facing in towards the arena/boss, then you'd take the one that's positioned closest to north in this case

[finite plank]

please don't tell me assassinate killed me

i'd like an analysis on why did i die

cursed e11s for the day that has this to be the clear run

had to tcj during random tether part because of that death

it picked me and didn't think it'd interfere with it

i was wrong and it did

[stable basin]

found ur problem

[finite plank]

[sinful brook]

Lmao did assassinate place you on the head where all the aoes converge?

[finite plank]

probably yes, it placed me in the middle and my partner was unharmed

[sinful brook]

Does it tell you how much damage you took?

In the logs

[finite plank]

does that show it

wait a second

hmmm

[real sinew]

you had the lightning dot and just died to damage

[finite plank]

probably that

[sinful brook]

You just took more damage than you had hp for

[finite plank]

guess the healers and I didn't notice my health was missing

[sinful brook]

You were at 91k before the stack

[finite plank]

mystery solved, blame the healers

[stable basin]

mm visually your stack thing is dead center but you don't take much more than the others

also thought your stack partner took 0 but they just took chip through brutal shell shield

112k dmg though seems like it was completely raw

[frank quiver]

Why does PF prefer line lions over cross lions?

[finite plank]

well

I did manage to live the stack art of darkness alone

although i had less than 10% of health

just need to be at full health, some shields and parry it i think

...i don't think it can be parried but i survived once before

[stable basin]

primal is most/all cross I think

I think people view line as safer because they use bad markers for cross

[finite plank]

the really bad markers that doesn't direct the positions on where to stand?

[stable basin]

they tell you where to stand

they're just set up poorly

they're too narrow

[finite plank]

i remember watching a guide but it had the markers inaccurately

as in, you don't even stand in it markers

[stable basin]

🤔

you stand in the center of the markers

[finite plank]

well, that period existed when I was watching guides in jp

[stable basin]

people used to do inside corner which was just a complete failure to comprehend the strat

[finite plank]

ofc, new markers came and are actually more accurate

[frank quiver]

Oh right, I’m a new raider and keep forgetting that different DC’s use different strats. But I see, thanks! So far, they both seem “equivalent” to me? Cross seems a bit friendlier to melees.

[stable basin]

now people do center markers which is still worse than outside corner

line is also awful for casters

big lion baits have to run a marathon

[subtle bone]

Thats not true

Too lazy to explain why lols

[stable basin]

🤔

[subtle bone]

Id say theyre equivalent

[frank quiver]

Is it? I’m a BLM, and I hate it both ways, LOL. Running across for line tethers isn’t too bad since I’d rather waste one triplecast than balance a bunch of instant casts.

[stable basin]

it's not tether that has all the movement, you pretty much just chill there in both cases

[frank quiver]

Fair. Guess I haven’t progged E12S enough yet to optimize uptime. At a first glance, both strats seemed equivalent from my perspective.

[stable basin]

this is the movement for baiting big lion in line strat (red) vs cross (green)

[subtle bone]

You know theres a safe spot se corner

Thats where you go on ranged

(For line lion)

[stable basin]

that significantly improves my opinion of it

I wasn't aware of that because it's not in any guides/povs and it's not the strat on my DC

[subtle bone]

You dont get the movement?

O ok

Nvm

Yea i noticed primal exclusively uses cross

The reason i think is the markers... not sure

[finite plank]

i guess cross is that chinese strat, but i didn't bother checking to see if it's correct to my memory

[stable basin]

yeah

[subtle bone]

Cross = bili

[stable basin]

people call it Bili bili which is kind of like if JP clipped a strat from Xeno's stream and called it Twitch strat

cuz Bilibili is the stream site

[subtle bone]

🤣

Good ole week 1 names

[finite plank]

this right? well, i assume you can tell from the image

[stable basin]

right for what

oh, the markers?

[subtle bone]

Uhhh yes

[finite plank]

well

this is the pug strat in jp

all pfs uses this

[subtle bone]

Im pretty sure those markers are death?

[stable basin]

those markers suck but those are what pf uses

[finite plank]

idk, seems to work

[stable basin]

you should be standing on the top outer corner but pf stands middle

[misty furnace]

for the small lion markers, stand on the small circle inside the markers

[stable basin]

at the start they were standing top inner corner which made it supidly precise

[misty furnace]

for the big lion N/S markers, stand in between the 2 small circles inside the marker

offers full uptime for people standing in those circles

[finite plank]

im not sure what it's called in jp anymore

[stable basin]

the circle inside the marker is worse than the top outer corner

but pf gonna pf

[finite plank]

akito? probably akito, everything's named akito this tier

well, i can't tell what the issue is, just that it solves the mechanic and some 1 shots

[stable basin]

it makes it tighter for the person not currently baiting n/s

making the tethers slightly wider gives more room

but as long as people don't die ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[finite plank]

idk, for weeks i ignored or probably done it by habit

i just go as long as im in the center of the waymark, it's probably safe

and bam, no deaths, no me murdering people

[stable basin]

if other people don't adjust no point in you adjusting tbh

just do the standard pf way

[finite plank]

habit i haven't developed yet is holding ta during lions

[subtle bone]

True if something goes wrong its usually the big baits anyway