reclears usually don't take longer than an average raid night
#endgame-lounge
sinful brook
its usually pretty quick unless you get some unlucky rolls on the players that are usually left later into the week
then you gotta know when to cut your losses
nova socket
It's usually quick 1-2shots in pf on tuesdays
sinful brook
if you do every single fight even to enrage thats like 50minutes of raiding straight (not accounting for joining and waiting for people)
vestal yoke
Are any tank or dps looking to learn and clear Titan Unreal? My static is having a hard time recruiting and 2 of us have cleared and know the fight well 
stable basin
Being able to meld DH (after capping crit) helps, yeah. Only tank calc knows for sure but law's order stuff is pretty good. Penta crafted is probably not worth at this point though. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E_Lhl0urAwXts1O4vzBiZMZnKYxa0Kz0W7r1bJyNDgo/edit#gid=772715780
thorn plaza
Is having Cloud of Darkness at 45% after tiles 1 good when one dps was dc'd since middle of woods
While a dps being gone ain't good I just wanna know if that was possible to still clear
sinful brook
towers would have been ouchies for sure
but 45% doesn't sound awful, sounds like you guys were still well over the check
tiles 1 ends at about just under halfway into the the fight
sinful brook
probably would have been a tad into tiles 2 before teh clear realistically but thats under the assumption towers goes fine
foggy latch
but still possible
quick verge
good question
¯_(ツ)_/¯
expect most of your hp bar to disappear with no mitigation ig
finite plank
well, they wouldn't have survived at all, but, I still figured it to be funny to get to live a little longer before wiping
wait, i think i saw 137k dmg?
stable basin
this comes out to 187k
but idk if high or low roll
basically you'll probably survive if you're topped but nobody is going to be happy about it and the next auto will probably kill you
Actually I shouldn't round there, more like 195k
with lower gear levels you can probably get oneshot
olive hearth
For DNC, should I use feathers right as I get them outside of burst, if I have 2 already? Or hold for any party buff?
Obv not overcap
stable basin
should be able to ride 3, no?
olive hearth
Oki
radiant kernel
Hardest/most skillfull group pve healer endgame?
finite plank
probably ast
radiant kernel
Thanks
charred salmon
If you put a lost action in your hud and remove it is it gone for good? I put Mana wall there and lost in ace high
quick verge
If you put a lost action in your hud and remove it is it gone for good? I put Ma...
replacing a lost action slot erases it yeah
rain field
Im trying to get back to xiv and do savage content... But I'm failing to motivate myself to do so. I also want to pick a main job or main role but I've always struggled to do so in past tiers.
Do you guys have any tips
civic garnet
Is it possible that after several entries in Delubrum reginae, we only loot silver coins or if we always use the same job? because since the last 16 I did, I just have silver coins..
quick verge
Is it possible that after several entries in Delubrum reginae, we only loot silv...
gold coins are a rare drop, so don't expect to get many even if you're spamming runs
nova socket
thats normal
quick verge
Do you guys have any tips
Not really, the motivation to do savage comes from if you want to challenge yourself with hard content. For picking a main job/role, it's related to whatever you think you'd enjoying playing for a long period of time. Some people change jobs every tier or change jobs after they get best in slot, but it's a personal choice in the end.
rain field
I like savage and I've been close to clearing first tier (mini titan e4s enrage) but everytime I try get into a pf or watch a vid I start regretting it.
Maybe its a me thing
but not sure if anyone can relate
quick verge
are you able to join a static or something
rain field
it might be hard this late in tier
quick verge
probably
rain field
and I kinda don't like statics
keen mauve
Related to this, I really really want to get into Savage content, and am starting with E9s. My FC's static is currently full and at an unfriendly time for my work, so I want to learn the current popular PF strats. I've never done anything like it before and I'm worried that no one will spare time to let me learn.
Does anyone have a video that has current PF strategies available?
rain field
joonbob usually covers diff strats for savage content
let me check
oh he has no full guide for e9s
I wouldn't know then
keen mauve
I'm currently watchin a Mr. Happy video from December, but I'm worried it's out of date.
quick verge
can look through some strats here
not sure if it'll have the pug strat for your data center
but most times people will list the name of the strat you're doing in the pf and it's simple enough to search through google or the balance for it
keen mauve
What if I have to start the party? Currently there are no learning parties for Umbra up.
rain field
You can setup a fresh prog
keen mauve
Aaight. Hope folks will be understanding.
rain field
Wish I knew about e9s so I could help here.
quick verge
For Flood of Obscurity and Evil Seed, pugs generally either use Happy or Mith-Shara brambles. You will be safe with learning either.
For Empty Plane, groups typically use the refreshing strat outlined in this guide.
rain field
But last times I did stuff like this I would setup a fresh prog and there would be a vet or two helping
quick verge
can find diagrams for them in the link
keen mauve
Last question, are tokens on a weekly basis or a per-fight basis?
quick verge
1 book per floor per week
rain field
The weekly limit will get removed by next patch which is scheduled for april 13 so
keen mauve
oh wow, really?
rain field
I think its like
a week into the patch not sure
but yeah in odd number patches you can grind savage content
of the current tier
keen mauve
Cool.
rain field
wow what
subtle bone
Few months+
quick verge
weekly lockout was only removed in 5.3 for eden's verse because of the delay
rain field
is it because last patch of expac?
oh
hm but I remember it didn't take that long for 5.1, or maybe time flew for me idk
quick verge
weekly lockout for eden's gate was removed in 5.18
quick verge
they jump numbers
quick verge
5.1, 5.11, 5.15, 5.18
sinful brook
the nice part of this final patch is the revelation cap doubling too
sinful brook
thats gonna be later in the patch like the savage lockout too
rain field
still nice
sinful brook
but you'll still have plenty of time to get several weeks worth of cryptlurker pieces
nova socket
rain field
aight thanks for showing off
sinful brook
bis every job niko 
sinful brook
just clear the most boring savage floor 15 times 4head
sinful brook
pretty sure you have to do a current tier floor for revelation
drowsy agate
just pick whatever you are most comfortable with
rain field
nothing
drowsy agate
then what do you want to do?
rain field
focus on something
drowsy agate
do you want to be #1 dps? do you want to heal? do you want to tank?
in the end it doesn't matter what class you play
just pick what you want to play
sinful brook
i don't really have much in the way of advice for that tbh
because personally i've been playing the same job since 4.3
drowsy agate
it's because it's impossible to give advice for that if the person doesn't even know what they want
rain field
which
sinful brook
because i'm brain off monkey
drowsy agate
sinful brook
i've been playing warrior since then
drowsy agate
want an easy class? offtank or RDM/DNC
rain field
warrior is good
nova socket
this fight?
drowsy agate
want a hard class? BLM/SAM/MNK
sinful brook
i think its one of those things that need to really click for you
rain field
dnc makes me want to die in second technical step window
sinful brook
something you find, "hey this ain't bad but kinda challenges me"
sonic olive
want a hard class? BLM/SAM/MNK
MNK hard 
rain field
rdm is like the best dps ever made but its french
sonic olive
Monks burst window is 5 buttons
rain field
I think mnk isn't that complicated but really hard to keep consistency with
sinful brook
monk has the challenge of properly planning your TN/RoE usages for times where you cannot properly do your positionals
sinful brook
for example in e9s tiles where you are locked to 2 tiles and theres a high chance the tanks are going to be stuck on a direction you don't like
sonic olive
I miss old riddle 
sinful brook
yes but every gcd of monk is a positional
rain field
Mnk sounds easy on theory but positionals in practice are pain
sinful brook
other melees are only 2-3 positionals
sinful brook
it can be challenging when you're not used to it
just try a bunch of jobs out in prog and see what fits tbh
9s isn't a bad entry floor
sonic olive
Probably a good idea since I can’t image it’ll get changed much next expac either
sinful brook
not a bad tier to start healing on, bit of a challenge in the upper floors
sonic olive
Shiva junction 
rain field
I've dps'ed and healed past tiers just not all floors
I know how healing is like
tho I hate healing hades ex is harder than most floors
sinful brook
to be fair though, healing last tier wasn't anywhere as high as it is this tier
sinful brook
which is like 
since you don't have to do as much positioning
rain field
hot take gnb has more utility than pld
undone tide
ur kinda wrong but ok
toxic fulcrum
Clemency, cover, n intervention is pog
undone tide
meh cover is...something
sinful brook
oof
multiple duplicates
F to lb gen
but it shouldn't be the reason you're not clearing fights
undone tide
quick verge
poggers
sinful brook
they also used sss as a marker for whether or not they were "contributing enough"
quick verge
playing double ranged is a form of cyberbullying
undone tide
I'm pretty sure I've seen this gamer in mnk lounge
posts shit ton of screenshots of his ugly ass male au ra
yeah he's a mch main
I out dps this man on PLD in some logs
inland ore
You mean you guys don't show off your sick alliance raid logs when applying to groups?
undone tide
is it actually week 20
nova socket
idfk
quick verge
like week 13 or 14
sonic olive
uhh like 15
nova socket
but yeh this whole group is kinda 
inland ore
It is exactly week 15
undone tide
Doesn't matter to me I'm bis anyway
quick verge
I got a 99 in o7n like 3 years ago, dm for recruitment
inland ore
My 100 in thunder god cid is still my proudest log.
nova socket
I got sam to 530 recently so I start gearing blm now
if I can bother to pf that is
nova socket
I don't clear on my alts usually no
undone tide
do reclears with me on primal
elder dawn
wild ether
insert I cant read macros here
steady pebble
raubahn isn't a paladin
undone tide
gladiator
verbal oak
with 510 Gear, how much DPS would a PLD be expected/estimated to put out in e9s?
undone tide
12k
verbal oak
got it, thanks!
wise quiver
what abt drk or war?
sinful brook
About the same, variables based on raidbuffs and uptime and strats
Don't be too annoyed if you're not too close to that while learning the fight
high ether
wheat marsh
is raubahn an irregular essence dark knight?
stable basin
what’s my best bet for the level 70 gear on the new melee dps ?
i think it would be smart to get maiming or striking, hbu ?
steady pebble
yoshi-p already mentioned in an interview that it'll share with dragoon
rain field
I like how xiv art is super serious but you can't say the same about the game and how the characters interact
Feels like satire
The only characters that I feel that act all the way as their art represantations are emet and zenos
Oh this isnt general
finite plank
wowie
full spruce
did they remove that step where you had to do 18 of the heavensward and stormblood alliance raids for the resistance weapons or was that only a thing you had to do for the first weapon?
olive hearth
one time thing
full spruce
oh thank god
tranquil glen
willing to pay a pretty penny for some pentamelded ninja set anyone interested from Coeurl?
drowsy agate
maybe i'm skeptical but why pentameld a full set this late into the tier
but anyway probably try the recruitment or DoH channels
stable basin
pentameld is still a big gain over non penta meld
foggy latch
not really?
and it only mattered at early weeks of prog
when gear was locked being weeklies
now u got better ver of gear
and u dont need to pentameld
cause ppl are no longer at i510 now
so dps checks will be much easier to meet
stable basin
not really?
penta vs non penta on sam is like a 1k dps gain?
sinful brook
the point here is that there are more readily available alternatives than investing in pentamelding at this point in the tier
which would result in more of a gain anyways
steady pebble
pentamelding at this point in the tier is arguably a waste of money
since in addition to what's already been said, so long as you're doing your rotation properly, you should be doing decent enough dmg that you don't need the pentamelds
sinful brook
and for new players, msq awards gear
if you're not at endgame gearing to that extent isn't worth the investment anyways
stable basin
ye but this is endgame-discussion, the msq gear is like 430
sinful brook
yes but they're lv79 and we have no idea where in the msq they are
subtle marsh
At this point you should be going for the revelation tome gear I would think over pentamelding anything
twin furnace
So if I have Neo-Ishgardian gear set I shouldnt bother with the lvl 80 dungeon gear...?
subtle marsh
You will probably want to start farming up for revelations as neo ish was for last tier.
foggy latch
@stable basin big doubt penta give u 1k dps
subtle marsh
So if I have Neo-Ishgardian gear set I shouldnt bother with the lvl 80 dungeon g...
Are you just wanting to be up to date on gear or are you wanting to get into savage?
foggy latch
i will be surprised if increase is higher than 500 dps even
twin furnace
Up to date.
sinful brook
1k is a lot of dps to cover from just a couple hundred points in substats
foggy latch
ppl overestimate penta
foggy latch
it only make dps checks manageable
steady pebble
just work on getting revelation pieces @twin furnace
foggy latch
when its impossible to meet without it at week 1
subtle marsh
Up to date.
revelation tome gear will be your best bet, then when augments are more available in 5.5 (?) you can upgrade to that.
foggy latch
savage prog
steady pebble
also can do your weekly normal mode runs to get a few pieces of eden's promise gear to help fill in
foggy latch
now ppl are geared
twin furnace
Are you just wanting to be up to date on gear or are you wanting to get into sav...
Thx
foggy latch
and getting pentameld now is both waste of money and wont help u much at dps checks
cause others most likely much more geared than u
assuming u joined as i510
gear planner can be taken as grain of salt
stuck wigeon
pentameld is only good week1 of a tier tbh
foggy latch
even the balance mentor said that
stable basin
even as a grain of salt, its like 1050 dps more
stuck wigeon
its not even that tbh
foggy latch
dude there are multiple factors included
sweet blade
Pentamelding is 1050 dps increase?
foggy latch
you are not going to get close to half what gear planner says
stable basin
on sam gear planner its around that yeah
sweet blade
Lol no
sweet blade
Why would you even bother pentamelding at this point?
We're in the final tier of the expansion
Prog has already come and gone
Its not like week 1 where you meed the tiny increase
foggy latch
its not about weekn1 or no
sweet blade
But I don't know why you're trusting a gear calculator for DPS gains
stable basin
to not get carried i guess?
steady pebble
i dont see how you think not doing an extra 1k dmg is being carried
steady pebble
so long as you're doing your rotation properly +mechanics, you're doing your job
that's not being carried
foggy latch
its not week 1
where 1k will be the difference between clear or enrage
if u arent meeting dps checks at week 14 u got much bigger issues
and gear and melds isnt why
sweet blade
If 1k dps is the difference between clearly and wiping this late, you have bigger issues
stuck wigeon
sounds about right
foggy latch
ppl use food for vit more than the substats buff
stuck wigeon
i mean as a tank the substats are hella nice to have
stable basin
if you pf 1k could easily be the difference 
stuck wigeon
idk pf has actually been alright so far
foggy latch
just find a better party?
stuck wigeon
have done every fight on pf after clearing tier with my group
winged glen
stuck wigeon
and i gotta say pf is doing work
they doin bits
maybe im lucky and havent been in any dodgy parties
foggy latch
chaos has more quality
stuck wigeon
was actually talking about light
sweet blade
Yeeeeeeah, pentamelding isn't worth it even if it did actually give 1k dps
It would be way easier to just make less mistakes
stuck wigeon
true
stuck wigeon
i mean
i know some shit people with 530/535
really is just a matter of throwing yourself into pf
till u get the books for the gear
stuck wigeon
damn u lucky as hell
foggy latch
ok for my own curiosity i looked on said planner
and i checked the penta sam set i510 on gcd 2.14s
increase between normal and penta is
516 dps
thats assuming
stuck wigeon
well ill be damned
dull radish
I dunno why focusing on the dps increase is the point that has to be made here
foggy latch
u got 100% uptime
with no clips
cancelling
run out of boss hitbox
bad sam.play
etc
stuck wigeon
i knew the 1050 figure was off
dull radish
it could be different options selected but like
the number isn't really the point of it
"1k sounds a bit high but it's not really worthwhile to pentameld at this point anyways"
foggy latch
unless he set it up around raidbuffs
which would be funny
if u gonna account that
but play in pf
dull radish
it literally doesn't matter
undone tide
I may not be blessed by crit gods but I am blessed by loot gods
stuck wigeon
damn right
stable basin
gear planner assumes good rotation but the % increase you get shouldn't be much different with a less than perfect one
also tend to have checkboxes to enable or disable raidbuffs
The really small differences probably don't really matter especially when it's over a gcd change because phasing and whatnot
foggy latch
why did i get pinged?
stable basin
516 dps
but penta crafted tends to sim on par/better than base tome (for tanks at least) and that's not a mistake
nova socket
Lot of the time tome pieces are a downgrade to penta pieces
lots of the crafted pieces are pretty pog
stable basin
yea
inland ore
There's a lot of missing info to determine whether pentamelding is "worth it". Such as how much gil they have or how fast they plan on progging.
foggy latch
ok u showed mid the dif between i530 and i510
not i510 penta
and i510 not penta
which is what im looking for
quick verge
idk this discussion about the dps numbers between base meld and pentamelded crafted is pretty whatever at this point
and isn't really the crux of what's being discussed
dull radish
^
quick verge
yes, pentamelded gear will give some nice numbers
quick verge
but i wouldn't recommend anyone to pentameld their gear at like, week 15
dull radish
spearya just stop
foggy latch
on i530
quick verge
you'd be better off doing anything else with your gil
housing, glam, food, pots, erp, etc
5.5 drops soon, and you get 1pc of nier gear per week in addition to the ability to convert your crafted into i520 gear
torn kindle
Also unlimited i510 gear from Eden normal for quick uncapped gear
inland ore
Basically unless you're an in-game 0.1%er and plan on no-lifing the tier, I wouldn't recommend pentamelding at this point.
dull radish
yeah, crafted gear itself is great
pentamelding it is overkill unless you really have the gil/materia you want to toss at it and not use on literally anything else
quick verge
yes, that was just stated
foggy latch
on it
inland ore
I would also like to point out, that the original person never explicitly stated that they were going to do savage.
sinful brook
i also pointed out we had no info on how far along into msq they were
they could have been lv79 i400 at the start of post sb msq
stable basin
because of the channel name id just assume it was for raids
dull radish
it's generally geared towards endgame. Sometimes people ask things that are slightly tangential and it's fine, but yeah
wheat marsh
have we seen how titan unreal has been vs shiva unreal?
quick verge
idk what you're asking
wheat marsh
like in terms of completion XD
quick verge
¯_(ツ)_/¯
you can check the numbers on fflogs but it probably isn't a great representation
olive hearth
Only way we can really see that is through parses, but not everyone parses unreal
torn kindle
Anything but leviathan pls
steady pebble
nice wynne, now its going to be levi
finite plank
watch as nins hurt themselves really badly because the tail reflects magic
torn kindle
Yeah the fight is clunky as hell for jobs that do both magical and physical damage.
...which is a lot of them nowadays with level 80 kits.
RDM has physical with their oGCDs, Ninja has their Ninjutsus, I think Geirskogul and Mirage Dive are considered Magical.
quick verge
The Howling Eye (Unreal)
finite plank
what the fuck
quick verge
drg is all physical
torn kindle
!action fleche
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torn kindle
It’s not “unaspected” so it’s physical
finite plank
finite plank
that's dumb
quick verge
rdm also has physical autos
torn kindle
It’s only dumb in this specific scenario of Leviathan EX
finite plank
can rdms even use it for their embolden
quick verge
corps a corps and displacement/engagement are also physical
quick verge
and their unenchanted rapier spells are physical
finite plank
well
torn kindle
Yeah RDM/NIN would be awful in Leviathan EX
finite plank
so fleche and contre would be considered range phys?
quick verge
tab
torn kindle
Assuming they’re, for some reason, tanking the half that’s magic reflective
DRK has it bad too since Flood/Edge look like they’re magic damage too
torn kindle
Don’t think that’s a thing
So I think if they do choose Leviathan as the next unreal they’d have to tinker with the fight a bit to allow classes that do both ranged physical and magical to not have a troublesome time with it
quick verge
edge is magic yes
stable basin
Delivers an attack = phys
Deals element/unaspected damage = magic
And LS also does a mix since its hits mirror the properties of the player's attacks
torn kindle
...in that case I think DRG has a tiny bit of magic with Dragonfire dive and stardiver?
quick verge
no
stable basin
IIRC it says delivers a fire-aspected attack or something
torn kindle
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stable basin
makes sense
stable basin
they are adding more savage in 5.5 right ?
steady pebble
no
stable basin
so bis rn is what ?
steady pebble
same as it was at the start of 5.4, a mix of edenmorn and augmented cryptlurker
if you want to see the BiS of your particular job, can either join the balance and look at the appropriate job channel or use !faq <job>bis (assuming that job has an faq bis)
torn kindle
The only expected change to BiS is in 5.55 or so when they add the final step to the Resistance Relic.
quick verge
if there's i520 relic armor added, then most jobs will probably have their bis changed
unkempt cypress
how do you usually spread out mitigation for terminal?
Assuming 2 melee 1 ranged 1 caster
quick verge
how do you usually spread out mitigation for terminal?
Assuming 2 melee 1 ranged...
you can find a general mitigation plan near the bottom of this guide. you can shift forward the addle since the mitigation here is a little front-loaded here
delicate forum
Is there any guides on what to do next when I finish story? I want to know what to grind for?
quick verge
Is there any guides on what to do next when I finish story? I want to know what ...
you can find a comprehensive introduction endgame guide here: https://saltedxiv.com/guides/endgame-gearing-and-content-unlock-guide
In general though, once you finish the story, you'll want to pick up a 
Exarchic gearset for your job from the market board. It puts you at a relevant item level to not be gated by any level 80 content.
There's a lot of content to go through and unlock. You want to start with the post 5.0 MSQ, which includes patch 5.1-5.4 story, the Eden normal raids, and unlocking The Sorrow of Werlyt normal trials. From here, you can unlock the extreme trials from the Minstreling Wanderer, located in the Crystarium for optional hard content.
At some point, you should also go back and unlock/complete old content, which includes the raid series like The Binding Coil of Bahamut, Alexander, and Omega.
You'll also be capping your tomestones through completing roulettes like Expert Roulette to exchange for stronger gear.
delicate forum
Thx for helping
analog lintel
Will the current raid tier unlock in 5.5? Or will it be later than that?
upper cedar
Is there bis gear for uwu?
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dull radish
you'll want to target good substats for your job with gear that you sync down with (like crit/dh, for example), and keeping in mind any rotational sks/sps that you might want for your job when synced (which you can use the calc to determine what you'll have when synced, if you want)
the dps checks aren't super tight though, so min-maxing a whole lot past that has limited value
upper cedar
Ah ok got it thanks
stable basin
balance might have some bis sets for your job if you really want to minmax or might not
but getting i515 relic is bigger than all the other gear optimizations you could make put together
rapid stratus
In e9s about how long is the timer for a platform to disappear?
rapid stratus
What about before purple?
subtle marsh
Good question, I never thought to time it.
sinful brook
about 15s total
so about 10s before it goes purple
i'd say play around being ready to swap tiles as each mechanic comes up and you don't have to worry too much about timing
sinful brook
i stand corrected
keen mauve
I always felt that savage let you stay on platforms longer, but dismissed the feeling as just blergh. Good to know.
serene lotus
In normal you can have multiple people on the same platform, it just falls quicker if you do
quick verge
the platforms in normal last a far shorter time than savage anyway
stable basin
Basically just wait 3s after donut and you'll never have bad refresh timings
stiff wedge
Guys how is it with the lock on the savage Fight, does it disappear immediately when the next patch comes or only in a later one? I'm new
quick verge
Guys how is it with the lock on the savage Fight, does it disappear immediately ...
the weekly loot lockout gets removed at some point in the next major patch. since the current raid tier released in 5.4, the loot lockout will likely get removed in patch 5.56
finite plank
i got a brain fart for e9s
so, i know that i will definitely not die from seeds dropping onto me
and my st's gonna drop it at south
what if
i drop my seed at the same spot as my st?
toxic fulcrum
tanks can face tank stacking seeds i think if not pop a CD
isnt that what the 3/4 strat is
finite plank
i don't if brambles would swap
serene lotus
Brambles tether whichever one you're closest to when the purple rings snapshot, and a dps
finite plank
so, since both seeds are gonna be at the same spot, running to the usual area to break tethers would work i guess
serene lotus
Ye
jagged lintel
Soo I am a bit lost whats the endgame about? As from what I understand I already can do every unlockable dungeon outside extremes with gear that doesnt require a lot of farming and even if I do farm for best gear isnt it pointless when new expansion will make it useless?
turbid canopy
Cant that be said for any patch ever?
quick verge
endgame is whatever you want it do be
you can challenge yourself with ex/savage/ultimate content
or collect glams/mounts
jagged lintel
Well I started this patch so not sure how much stuff patches change
turbid canopy
If endgame to you is clearing a raid tier once at low gear level then so be it
Do you have to continue gearing? No
jagged lintel
And well thats kinda boring, I heard ff14 endgame was great but maybe I just heard wrong
Or it is subjective
turbid canopy
Does it make things faster as you do more damage or does the gear look cool sometimes. Yes
jagged lintel
But doesnt glamour already make your gear look as cool as you want it to?
Except glowing wep
turbid canopy
That’s the point. Endgame glamour is usually dyeable.
Which adds another customization layer
Most mmos are under a similar guise
jagged lintel
Well I played most of the mmos and not all are like this some focus more on daily dungeon runs and slow gear progress, while other like also bdo is just do whatever or do pvp
But guess ff14 is leaning more towards the bdo side of endgame where it kinda is up to you and not the game incentivizing you to do something
sinful brook
the slow gear progress thing is still here
but its through weekly lockouts on endgame raid tokens/tomestones
but you'll always make it to the end one way or another
jagged lintel
Though as I am near the end of the game I am curious what do you guys like about ff14? As for me I can only say the story is something it sets itself apart from other mmos, even if it is kinda poorly told with half the cutscenes having no audio except sound effects
Ah and also being able to switch classes is pretty great concept
sinful brook
The story is the main draw for a majority of people
And the way its told is pretty normal from a jrpg perspective
jagged lintel
Well every other mmo I played they even always have voiced dialogue or never have it
Having it inbetween is just off
Especially in ff14 case where the cutscenes sometimes show a decent amount of emotion so having no voice makes them way worse
Maybe they dont have enough money to get voice acting for every cutscene? As I doubt subscriptions give them more money than say a cash shop unless a lot of ppl keep it for more than a month for some reason as it only takes that long to do an entite expansion
torn kindle
That was especially the case for the basem game, yeah. They were working on a limited budget to revive the game.
jagged lintel
Yeh I read about how realm reborn came to be
torn kindle
For the expansions, there’s more voice acting but it’s concentrated on the more story-heavy stuff
Rather than the “ok go here and talk to this guy”
jagged lintel
Hmm I guess yeh you technically dont need to get voice acting for that but dunno it really loses immersion fast
torn kindle
Yeah I can understand that.
jagged lintel
And I am not even talking about other quests them having no voice in some cutcenes is so weird
Like two characters laughing and they look like they having a stroke with no audio xD
Though in general ff14 is the mmo that took me the longest to catch up, no idea how long it would take for someone in like 3 more expansion
Probably like 3 months of constant playing or more
leaden vapor
Its a Final Fantasy game first and MMO second, so the incentive have always been to explore and experience the world and not strive for its endgame which is different for everyone
At least thats what it feels like to me
jagged lintel
Yeh I can feel that too
leaden vapor
I mean theres tons of stuff to do
jagged lintel
If you got nothing else to play yeh
leaden vapor
I initially didnt really want to get into DoH/L but realized it can actually be really fun
jagged lintel
Doh?
leaden vapor
Disciple of hand and land, crafting and gathering
jagged lintel
Oh yeh those
leaden vapor
I got tons of things to play, but havent been able to touch them because of how much stuff there is to do in FF14
jagged lintel
But arent those other games better than the mundane stuff of ff14?
If the story of ff14 is its mainly good thing
But I havent tried dohl so dunno how fun they are
leaden vapor
Mundane is pretty subjective
torn kindle
I like the Depth that the crafting and gathering has
leaden vapor
I'm normally a want to get to endgame and experience it kind of person, but FF14 was kind of the first MMO type game where I stepped on the brakes
torn kindle
With them being actual classes with stats and skills
Instead of just a level and “click to craft item”
leaden vapor
Yeah, initially I thought crafting/gathering was a hassle with it being a mini game in itself
But it turned out much more fun when I got more in depth
leaden vapor
I initially wanted to just gather and sell instead of doing both or vice versa
torn kindle
Depends on how much money you want to throw at it.
leaden vapor
But ended up doing both myself unless I don't have the time for it
torn kindle
It’s easy to slowly do it with cheap daily/weekly sources
jagged lintel
Ah I see
leaden vapor
I slowly leveled them with daily GC provisions just by buying stuff off the MB
torn kindle
But if you really wanted to, you can max a crafting class in a single day by buying turn-ins for repeatable mini quests (leves)
leaden vapor
Then recently got them all to 50 for shared gear as I didn't want to keep buying gear every few levels, leveled them all to 63 for another gear interval and then 70
Leve, Ishgard restoration were pretty consistent
foggy latch
when did this become #general-discussion channel?
quick verge
hush
undone tide
this is why ur cancelled
long briar
On a scale of 1 to 10, how hard is Memoria Misera on Extreme? I want the Idealized armor.
nova socket
2
torn kindle
Compared to other extremes, I'd say around 2-4
long briar
So its not that bad then? Good to know. I finally hit IL 470 yesterday.
turbid canopy
i must be the only one who had iffy experiences in pf in memoria
cause i would put it at an 8 in terms of people not knowing where to stand ever
sinful brook
Objective difficulty its not super complex
Mechanics aren't terribly cryptic or hard to grasp
Pf not doing them correctly is a different thing altogether
turbid canopy
that could be said of every encounter though
sweet fern
is memoria or emex harder? ive been meaning to try it since I really want the glam
turbid canopy
imo around the same. since in emex movement for swords is the hardest for people to grasp memoria has similar movement/player placement as well
sinful brook
some mechanics are objectively not straightforward
drowsy agate
em ex is significantly harder due to it being scaled to a higher ilevel
people were doing mm ex when 480-500 gear was current
with 510-520 gear you can ignore a ton of mechanics in mm ex
sinful brook
mememis was released about a month after 5.2
even on release you were able to skip a decent amount of the mechanics
drowsy agate
ye
the enrage timer was basically non existent even on release
if your party has literally half a brain they can clear even with numerous deaths
EM EX at least requires 75% of a brain
i remember being in a "farm" party that cleared where I as a healer was #2 DPS in mm ex
toxic fulcrum
Emmy ex I call bs on firing squad
drowsy agate
firing squad is one of the easiest mechanics in mm ex
you only have to make like 4 movements and there isn't even a boss to hit during it
turbid canopy
alot of strong opinion sharing today
toxic fulcrum
I blame snap shot on firing squad in Emmy ex
There’s time my body was out of it before guns were firing 
drowsy agate
I mean, is it strong opinions tho? EX trials aren't that difficult and most learning parties can usually clear in 2 hours of prog
turbid canopy
i mean. i said i think they are around the same. and the response is you can literally be an idiot and do memoria. then its a bit strong
drowsy agate
but...you can
turbid canopy
like shit argument
drowsy agate
MM EX is ridiculously easy in current gear
you literally will not even see half the fight
turbid canopy
idk what speed kills you are doing but thats not true
drowsy agate
you're comparing a fight from last tier to this tier
what kind of awful parties have you been in o_o
turbid canopy
all of the awful parties
turbid canopy
part 2? part 2 is another sword phase then arrows and enrage
you have a whole lot more before taht
sinful brook
idk how you're seeing enrage
drowsy agate
you'd only see enrage if people are literally dead half the fight
sinful brook
the dps check is like e4s check
turbid canopy
you two are impossible
sinful brook
in what way
toxic fulcrum
I haven’t join any recent mmex enrage this patch
drowsy agate
grief how many floors of savage have you cleared
sinful brook
the check is objectively super low
turbid canopy
gonna go ahead and block for future reference
stable basin
Meme mis isn't that difficult of a fight
toxic fulcrum
But at 5.2 I usually clear before 2nd shield thing
stable basin
I think the only thing hard about it was the randomness of mechanics
drowsy agate
there's almost no randomness in mm ex though
stable basin
But overall most mechanics were pretty simple and the only way you'd be hitting enrage is if you have 6+ deaths
nova socket
Hardest part was remembering which latin name meant which
overall its the easiest trial this expac tbh
toxic fulcrum
It’s the same random as elemental stuff in E11s
drowsy agate
inno ex is def the easiest
stable basin
With irs literal 1 mechanic
nova socket
inno was harder in 5.0 tbh
drowsy agate
MM probably 2nd easiest
hardest EX fight this whole patch is either ruby or emerald weapon imo
toxic fulcrum
SOS ex I’m guessing is the hardest?
stable basin
The hardest ex fight is hades because it takes so long that by the time we make it to phase 3 I'm already asleep
drowsy agate
I don't think sos is harder than emerald only because of the bullshit snapshots with the swords on emerald
stable basin
Sosex is what I'd say is the hardest trial
drowsy agate
sos prob has the most to remember
stable basin
Because its the only one I haven't cleared 30 times
But that's bias
I wouldn't say Ruby is harder than so sez
drowsy agate
I think mechanically sos is harder than emerald but emerald is way less forgiving
even when it was current, most teams could clear sos ex before 3rd summons
stable basin
Emerald just has the bullshit 5.4 snapshots
Honestly if it weren't for the snapshots emerald wouldn't even rank in the top 3
daring dome
emerald just suffers from "what if we make people move all across the map for 0 reason" syndrome
drowsy agate
just really unforgiving
stable basin
emerald just suffers from "what if we make people move all across the map for 0 ...
^
What the 89 understander saix
toxic fulcrum
Spinning in circles moving in n out
stable basin
I mean emerald as a tank is pretty easy cause tou can just eat swords and never lose uptime
drowsy agate
I think sqex kinda designs EX fights that way as opposed to savage fights
stable basin
Tank privilege 
daring dome
only if you dont eat 2
stable basin
Ye
toxic fulcrum
My healers get mad when I do that
drowsy agate
they can be more annoying with the mechanics on EX since they know people are less likely to tryhard for uptime
drowsy agate
whereas in savage it feels like they try to design mechanics to allow people to maintain uptime at least most of the time
toxic fulcrum
With force downtime every once in a while
finite plank
daring dome
i still dont like moving across the map for no reason other than "i got this shitty fucking marker"
finite plank
i'll still remember this
toxic fulcrum
How tf
drowsy agate
that snapshot tho ayy lmao
stable basin
The no brain understander
daring dome
the server tick gaming
drowsy agate
there was a strat like that for e7s last tier
I never fucking tried it cuz sweaty palms
stable basin
E7s was based
drowsy agate
the one during tornado where you cheese yourself between the tornado aoe
daring dome
yeah it snapshots ages before
sinful brook
or make one tank take all teh coloured tethers with invuln while everyone just hides
ah i remember the tornado one
khadame sent us liek 6 videos about it when we were learning the fight
drowsy agate
last tier had some really nice cheese spots
like e5s thunderstorm spot
or e6s tank lb3
drowsy agate
you do it during conflag phase to ignore the whole mechanic
daring dome
you cant even ignore the whole thing
drowsy agate
def not
daring dome
just like half of it
drowsy agate
the real parse strat is to clear before conflag
toxic fulcrum
Ain’t E10s parse strat similar to e6s start skip the big thing at the end
drowsy agate
does e10s parse also do uptime dogs
idek if sch can do uptime dogs without losing uptime
daring dome
you lose like
1 broil to adlo
then 300 potency to weave
you gain more from giving melees uptime imo
drowsy agate
but does that reflect in your parse tho
daring dome
not really
nova socket
https://gfycat.com/selfassuredpalealbacoretuna
thats like every other aoe snapshot?
idk whats weird about this
finite plank
idk, was it weird?
drowsy agate
he walks through EM EX's laser
drowsy agate
that's what's "weird" about it
nova socket
Basically all snapshots happen before the animation
You can walk into most AOEs as they happen in this game
stable basin
Just skip conflag
subtle bone
Whats weird is the super high quality of his clips lol
finite plank
you guys don't use shadowplay?
quick verge
no
subtle bone
Idk my shadowplays never lookd that crisp
finite plank
?
subtle bone
Is ur game in 4k
finite plank
no, jus 60 fps
subtle bone
In game resolution?
finite plank
1920x1080
subtle bone
O
finite plank
i feel dumb for not recognizing that immediately
my 2060s wouldn't be able to handle that
subtle bone
I thought maybe it was 1440p
finite plank
maybe the 3070 i got for my relative would do better in ways i wouldn't notice, but they're using it for mostly rendering art stuf
nova socket
My clips all look scuffed cus my pc just drowns with max bitrate
and min graphics ingame 
subtle bone
Lmao same
nova socket
finite plank
er, just wanna test something with a clip i posted in rants before
any difference?...
toxic fulcrum
Gif one seems smoother
stable basin
does anyone know why my dragoon keeps dying to mesohigh tethers in garuda? he says everytime he uses jump it kills him
subtle bone
Which garuda
dull radish
is he stealing the tether, or getting in range of the AoE of the tether going off, or just generally dying to the damage from the tethers going off and debuffs resolving?
hushed harness
how tf are you supposed to do group AoD + trees 
akito dies there too in the his vid
also RDM is really comfy to burst down cloud
stable basin
Which garuda
1st part, so normal ruda
stable basin
is he stealing the tether, or getting in range of the AoE of the tether going of...
i think he might be getting in range of the aoe
subtle bone
1st part ???
stable basin
cuz our whm also lost her stack during it
but im not 100%
before ultima
isnt there only 1 mesohigh?
subtle bone
Ok so uwu
subtle bone
Lol..
subtle bone
Idk why goon is taking last tether tho
stable basin
OT
he's not
hm
he does cleanses
PLD and rdm take meso
there's no good reason the booty should be getting hit then
subtle bone
Then tell him sit center and the 2 ppls taking mesohigh cant be too close
stable basin
it's standard to have OT do it but I know there's a strat where MT does, for clarification
ahh
we adjusted cuz whm lost stack
Which is the only thing that would make sense for booty gets hit by it
subtle bone
Sometimes the dps tether stands too close cause the plume is tethered to him too
Just need distance
stable basin
yeah that's fair
also make sure she's centered so the tethers are directly on her sides
like if you're max melee
vs
subtle bone
Cute pics uwu
stable basin
lol
only other issue I can see other than people just being careless where they stand
torn kindle
Spicy olives of doom
subtle bone
Maybe goon tryna sneak a positional haha
subtle bone
torn kindle
subtle bone
No primal pugs?
stable basin
There are a lot of primal pugs but they're all pretty pepega
subtle bone
Icic, but at least for uwu you can join early phase progs and get a feel
Even if its troll
Maybe get up to dashes/jails if lucky
undone tide
Not even sure my static will be doing UwU/ucob
stable basin
it's just like the same experience as pugging savage
undone tide
it said tea only but negotiation is possible
stable basin
thx for the help
I might be down to trap UPR with you sometime even though their strats give me ligma
im half zoned out whenever discussions happen that dont include healing but the issue got fixed
back to anihilation 
\o/
stable basin
no ults pfs up rn
subtle cave
no ults pfs up rn
@undone tide wanna make a ucob upr pf
nova socket
you dont need triggers for anything
undone tide
rp
nova socket
someone calls it anyways
undone tide
true
undone tide
yea it's gonna be 2h until I can raid uninterrupted
stable basin
your two options in ucob are use triggers or listen to someone repeating their triggers
undone tide
stable basin
I just read them but someone in vc always calls them too so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
stable basin
not in upr I don't lol
undone tide
link me upr
stable basin
quite literally this
they also happen to do everything flipped from how I learned it
and pulling garuda west which isn't actually bad in itself but there's always someone who can't keep it in their pants and yoinks spiny the instant it spawns
nova socket
pulling garuda mid to west is fine
just annoying to jobs like MCH when ricochet lines up naturally with the plume spawn
lol
stable basin
yeah
foggy latch
i dont understand ppl who actually pf ultimates
most statics dont fare well in ultimates
let alone pf
stable basin
ok this static I'm subbing for has the worst strats ever
Take mistral around where Garuda spawns
DPS die to cyclone
"Why is this so far south"
nova socket
wuh