Well, better than nth
That 1~2% hp diff might be a diff betw enrage and clear
#endgame-lounge
devout totem
devout totem
There's alot casual raiders tat havent clear e9 e10 on w5
pallid gorge
For sundered sky, is there a quick trick to see if you’re tethered to a light clone or a fire clone? Other than turning around to look at the clones themselves obv ... timing for that bit is so strict so i’d appreciate any tips
foggy latch
its rng
so gotta see the tether while you are moving
tethers always come from left and right though from where u get pushed to
depends on how u circle around the mid dragon you gonna see one of the clones
if u see the fire one
then the other is light
and vice versa
devout totem
Iirc i'll see a clone otw running to safespot
foggy latch
yes
devout totem
So i'll check the clone and who im tethered to
foggy latch
if you are tethered to close one
then easy mode
if far one then opposite element of what u saw on your way
devout totem
Since its light / fire only, its easy to determine
devout totem
^not for healers tho
foggy latch
hmm?
devout totem
We nid to topup the hp for the kb dmg +fire stack, and heal after the light aoe dmg
foggy latch
dragon aoe is 40k
fire stack is 60k
aoe dmg is 60k
you only need to heal when u get to safespot
or just regen the pushback
and let it do the job
for whole mech
devout totem
Still optimising it, im trying to med2 the moment i got kb, so the heals + regen will do the job, just need another heal after fire stack
Did it a few times but not consistent enough
devout totem
Just throw a shield / tetra to him
quick verge
maybe, maybe not
depends on if you can properly do your rotation when coming into contact with mechanics
which is the real challenge
lost trench
Oof
quick verge
SSS also has arbitrary, and sometimes really bad numbers set for jobs, which don't accurately reflect common situations in party
like you having a dance partner, and the esprit generated from your partner/tech step windows
lost trench
SSS means Shinobi Striking Sucker right?
lost trench
Damn I was joking lmao
foggy latch
clearing dummy is whatever
and doesnt reflect actual fight factors
its just a half assed solution from SE
to ppl asking for official parser
undone tide
!faq sss
storm frostBOT
foggy latch
sss does one thing right
its best dummy to practice opener and rotation
cause it can be reset easily
proper glen
gotta love having a perfect rotation and the correct gear and still not clearing SSS bc crit luck is trash
proper glen
i couldnt clear e9 for a couple tries in 510 on drg lmao
was a joke
a rotation impossible to mess up
foggy latch
you couldnt do 17.2k dps on i510??
proper glen
nope lmao took me a couple tries to kill it
foggy latch
sounds like you messing it up
quick verge
i dont think it was crit/dhit rng stopping you from clearing the dummy in i510
proper glen
i mean with a perfect rotation it wasnt my fault lmao
foggy latch
cause my drg is doing 20k on same ilvl
sss was overtuned at one point
only for ninja
for stormblood
it was soo overtuned that i needed to be 5 ilvls below bis to clear it
despite im doing more than enough dps to clear said content
dull radish
I wouldn't say strictly only overtuned at one point and only for NIN at that specific point
tuning for the dummies in general is often rather out of whack, in either direction, for various jobs over time
both have cases where you could beat the final fight dummy with crafted with a bit of luck, or some where you struggle even with BiS, and the wide spectrum in between
dull radish
no?
it might have been slightly higher than SMN or something
but was never higher than BLM
drowsy agate
i mean with a perfect rotation it wasnt my fault lmao
like others said, doubt you were doing a perfect rotation
but ofc there's no way we can know what you did wrong without a parse to look at
undone tide
They expect a SAM to ONLY do 15k dps... ok
proper glen
i mean i was but you dont have to believe me lol
sinful brook
I mean by default perfect means you are outputting the maximum damage possible. Crit rng shouldn't be the reason you don't clear a fight designed to be clearable by i500
drowsy agate
if you couldn't clear the dummy DPS check and you thought it was a perfect rotation
you just told us proof that it wasn't a perfect rotation
because if it was perfect then you should have cleared it 100%
with no other data to go by
sinful brook
They expect a SAM to ONLY do 15k dps... ok
That was last tier too 
subtle bone
I dont believe it, 17k at 510 is sad
sinful brook
Things like missing positional and losing Raiden thrusts are not insignificant
quick verge
I think you’d still clear the e9s dummy at i510 if you had a crit/dhit rate of 0% and low rolled on every action taken
sinful brook
@proper glen do you have any logs or something we can take a look at
proper glen
i dont have a log of my sss dummy on day 1 no lol
sinful brook
Logs in general
sinful brook
Can maybe give an indication on why you didn't clear the dummy
Because what you're saying seems largely unreasonable
sinful brook
Were not
We just want to understand how its possible
Because you're 10ilvls over the minimum to clear the fight
proper glen
yea, and the range of luck is stupid
i was able to clear e12 dummy after a ton of attempts
yet couldnt clear 9 for a couple
sinful brook
Crit rng can't vary the result that much on the e9
proper glen
rng is stupid when it comes to crits
sinful brook
12 id understanf
foggy latch
e12nm?
which require 15268 dps
and u still had issues doing it too
15k is i470 number
subtle marsh
Suuuuuuus
undone tide
SSS is fucken weird
did e12s on pld
got it to 40%
And I'm
!whologs @undone tide
storm frostBOT
undone tide
I had to get off but I'll try it in a few hours
Actually I have time
this is my equipment btw
undone tide
Killed e11s with 18 seconds to spare
they might be a little bit overtuned
I was doing 4atone as well but I doubt that would've changed the outcome much
subtle bone
How do you check your gear like that?
undone tide
Aymeric Bot in the balance, ?eq
And it won't show hq gear, it just shows the nq icon
storm frostBOT
drowsy agate
ah I'll go fuck with that in the bot channel
subtle bone
😬
paper turret
Hello, is this the appropriate channel to talk about eden savage?
lyric summit
yes
paper turret
I'm having trouble on e10s prog with the tank busters. Essentially, if the other tank is not a WAR or I'm not a WAR, we don't have an invuln ready for the third TB. How do you handle that?
Healing through the slashes seems almost impossible even with full mitigation, so is there some trick to beating the third TB without an invuln ready?
steep falcon
paper turret
Oh, okay. Because we had a SCH and AST and they couldn't heal fast enough. :(
undone tide
steep falcon
Excog and Essential Dignity between slashes
paper turret
👍 thanks for the help, I will tell our healers
undone tide
SCH just Excogs, Lustrate, and AST eds and CI's
drowsy agate
the tank eating the hit needs to pop significant mitigation
and they need to receive a major heal halfway through the 4 hits
our static chooses to mitigate the first umbra slash
undone tide
kitchen sink
drowsy agate
so we can invuln the other ones
paper turret
gotcha
paper turret
thanks a ton!
undone tide
Have SCH shield beforehand
drowsy agate
we run whm/ast with gnb/pld
our gnb is MT and tanks the first umbra slash
sometimes he doesn't even need healing
but he does pop everything
and he has an ast shield beforehand
paper turret
thanks! we have drk/pld
paper turret
yees pld i assume just save up on oath gauge and veil and stuff asap
undone tide
Divine Veil doesn't apply to pld
drowsy agate
yes but it applies to the MT
undone tide
well yeah but then if it's not Unleashed veil is pretty useless
drowsy agate
I'm assuming the PLD is ot
undone tide
Because Veil's shield is pretty small
drowsy agate
it's not useless if it makes them live the hit 
stable basin
Rampart, shadow wall, tbn, reprisal, feint, soil, and a fat intervention
should make the buster manageable
undone tide
you mean full potency intervention?
drowsy agate
it's what's necessary
paper turret
the pld is ot yes
stable basin
idk what exactly my cotank puts into it but I'm pretty sure it's not just 0 cd intevention
drowsy agate
iirc warrior is the only tank that enables the raid to invuln all 3
stable basin
at the very least he can prepop rampart in case it's edge
he might use sentinel as well
undone tide
I usually just do sentinel intervention so ramp isn't wasted on unleashed
devout totem
I'm having trouble on e10s prog with the tank busters. Essentially, if the other...
I used to benedict 3rd TB 3rd slash
For ast and sch, they can throw thich shield on u so u dont get dmg and debuff from 1st slash
torn kindle
About 8 days based on when the world first video was uploaded
quick verge
3 days
torn kindle
UCOB definitely was closer to a week, though
Since it was the first ultimate and really curbstomped people
quick verge
11 days
drowsy agate
and it took like, 3 days for this tier's savage right
undone tide
Yeah
quick verge
took like 36 hours
undone tide
Yet no one knew for like an hour after the clear because tps doesn't stream world prog
quick verge
people knew as soon as people (sfia) took a pic and posted it on twitter/sent it to frosty
torn kindle
Most of the serious raiders don’t stream progression to not share their stats with others
To keep the progression more “genuine”
quick verge
not getting your strats stolen is pretty cool
undone tide
Which is imo stupid because think about how much money you'll make off the stream
But being first is cool
undone tide
Well it depends on how popular you are
quick verge
streamers like xeno and arthars stay relevant because people like watching their antics and over the top personality
random world prog raider #225 doesn't really have that
sinful brook
and sub 1k viewers with maybe like 50subs a month ain't exactly "good money"
thats like a couple hundred bucks a month you ain't living off that
nova socket
tps will make a an infinite more selling anyways
undone tide
Wait do they actually sell
quick verge
wait really?
undone tide
quick verge
surprising i didn't hear about that
stable basin
third or fourth
maybe technically fifth counting TPS reclear 🤔
but yeah within the first couple weeks
stable basin
rip those guys who were one minute behind
literally doing their clear pulls at the same time is kinda wild
quick verge
- charge your phone
undone tide
I'm going to bed in like an hour
quick verge
- it's still wild how quickly tps cleared relative to the other groups
undone tide
gimme a break
nova socket
basically all world racers are sellers i don't see how thats weird
undone tide
foggy latch
who would say no to 1700$ per tea clear
sinful brook
Hey if you have that shit on farm then its a bit over 200 bucks a person split 8 ways because I assume piloting is the strat
torn kindle
Just gotta dodge the permaban mechanic
quick verge
not opening your mouth is pretty free way to not get banned
quick verge
okay
heavy furnace
literal toxic casuals harassing someone who did something hard
^
steady pebble
same, doesn't sound harsh to me at all
undone tide
What's the easiest ultimate
stable basin
uwu by a considerable margin
undone tide
alright
I'm probably gonna end up doing ucob first at some point, but something something static finding is hard
stable basin
yeah, don't feel like you have to do uwu first because it's a bit easier
ucob, tea, and triad next ulti are all fine starting points
stable basin
Ultis are big on persistence
undone tide
I feel like I have it in me to do it
stable basin
Like, you should be able to munch savage as an ultimate clearer but that's a byproduct of the time put in
undone tide
Not like dps is an issue since ucob dps check is
I've been searching for a static for like 2 weeks now
stable basin
One of the reasons clearing the tier with all purples is seen as a sort of benchmark for clearing ultimate is because it's less time/effort to do that than ulti requires
But yeah you just need mechanics for SB ultis
Though pushing buttons does help
undone tide
I can probably get a purple in e10s if I don't grief myself/get griefed
stable basin
Real gamers can just skip ifrit dashes
undone tide
quick verge
post ur gear wol
quick verge
yoinks
stable basin
Purple with that gear would be pretty good
undone tide
Idk how much gear matters
Tbh
But I think there's also the factor of there being 10k parses on PLD rn
Still out dpsd the DNC.
stable basin
It's significant
quick verge
jesus ch
yeah gear is very important
you just hit a lot harder in general, not considering substats
stable basin
here's some release day emex with everyone getting historical high orange/pink
undone tide
quick verge
2 tech steps
stable basin
my best drk run in 11 is dangerously close to my "filling in on dnc for memes" run
undone tide
undone tide
this will be the last time you see that confiteor crit rate
is this good or bad
quick verge
i can't say
severe notch
my group is so good
lyric summit
doomed from the start
stable basin
hey guys, how do i find people that do eden savage raids? i dont know many people in the game :3
nova socket
pf
steep falcon
Or ask if some people in your FC do Savage as well. I started with Party Finder and oh man it wasn't smooth. 
lyric summit
forest nacelle
Im kinda scared to do it because I might just get laughed at for failing ARR mechanics lmao
steady pebble
just gotta dodge :^)
forest nacelle
Yeah Im seeing alot
Of landslides lmao
Dps N and Healer S and Ads West seem like the most complex part actually
Even then its not that complex
sinful brook
it feels punishing but you can essentially carry a person who died at the start all the way to the end
the dps check is about 50k combined total dps
so with a decent group you can easily surpass that
its more lenient in damage than shiva was but only because the mechanic is more punishing. however with a smart use of a gap closer you can ignore a bunch of the knockbacks
torn kindle
Yeah Titan is a lot more forgiving in deaths
forest nacelle
NA Landslides in australian ping, shouldn't be too bad
Now that I think about it. How does Faux Hollows work? Is it just a Wondorus tails but bigger and you can only do one square once a week?
finite plank
should be spammable
dull radish
no, faux hallows is weekly
you clear the fight and get a board. There is an option you can get to be able to do the instance again for the week for another board though
serene lotus
Did you ever play the board game "Battleships"?
forest nacelle
Ah its like that
high ether
oh my fucking god with a vpn I can finally fit five GCDs in Blood Weapon
I am so happy
no more clipping when I dualweave
drowsy agate
double checking pot windows on e11s
so is it better to do 2nd pot on CD, then 3rd pot on reopener after prismatic? that's what I heard
or do you do 2nd pot at 6 mins with the usual pot window then 3rd pot on CD
drowsy agate
but assuming you're progging enrage
foggy latch
you still use it on cd
drowsy agate
when does the 3rd usage come up?
foggy latch
right before boss become targettable
drowsy agate
around approximately which mechanic
foggy latch
after prismatic
foggy latch
there will be no burst after 9 mins one
unless u mean the one at 11 mins
which is
????
it last 10-15 secs only
before u wipe
kinda pointless to save pot til that
subtle bone
Opener / off cd (right of the heaven) / cycle 1 cast
undone tide
I don't think PLD wants to pot unless it's going to hit an FoF goring and a Confiteor yeah?
stable basin
We've done 2nd pot after sundered for reopener, then the third comes up during last 30 seconds
But that was the first few clears / if you know you're seeing enrage
subtle bone
¯_(ツ)_/¯
static leaf
With Materia Transmutation is there a cap on how high materia can be made? Ie, can 5 VII be used and you get a VIII, same for VIII > IX or is the cap on how high transmutation can make capped at VII
dull radish
there is no grade IX materia, highest we have is VIII
that's the only cap you can run into. You can trade in VII materia and have a chance at VIII. Trading in VIII materia you'll only get VIII
rustic ether
drowsy agate
maybe not quite endgame discussion but
where would I go to inquire about maximizing maximum points as miner
considering going for top 12
sinful brook
Diadem mining requires hours upon hours of time investment
foggy latch
buy 10 days bot
sinful brook
Were almost at the end of day 2 you're technically already behind if you want to start now
foggy latch
joking aside u need to do it 27/24 hours
sinful brook
The expected strategy for normal people who don't break tos is just sit in there for full lockouts repeatedly
Theres no other way around it
quick verge
take turns with family members
this but unironically
turn on your favorite podcast or something and sit there for hours
drowsy agate
i'm rank 47 right now
and i'm fully aware of the time investment
i work from home and i got nothing to do
just need to know what i should aim to gather
sinful brook
You literally just sit there the entire time grabbing stuff that gives the most points
foggy latch
aim to get the elemental nodes
drowsy agate
i've been gathering only the 80 stuff
foggy latch
when ever they pop
sinful brook
Hitting breakpoints to increase yield for bonuses makes a huge difference too
foggy latch
arsenal give most points
drowsy agate
i unfortunately only have handsaint gear
foggy latch
but barely selled for any gil
sinful brook
Oof
sinful brook
Yah just try to get as much artisanal as you can
foggy latch
pick clean is your friend
sinful brook
Use kings yield as necessary to bump up amounts obtained
drowsy agate
can you use pick clean?
sinful brook
pick clean does fuck all
drowsy agate
there's no HQ
foggy latch
iirc it does
drowsy agate
i honestly think top 12 is doable even without pmeld gatherer
foggy latch
it is
drowsy agate
#12 right now has 3x my points but i've been gathering suboptimally until now
foggy latch
as long u no life it
sinful brook
Just keep in mind some might hold onto stuff until last day
drowsy agate
so gather only the 3* stuff
save all cordials for king's yield
how would i know when the node is up?
foggy latch
if you meet the stats
king yield would be broken
elemental?
zone weather will change
and
sinful brook
The nofe appears on minimap
foggy latch
you will get a big warning for the node
note
u can only get
fire and thunder as miner
drowsy agate
the weather just changed to umbral duststorm
drowsy agate
ahhh rip
drowsy agate
yeah i'm 2404/2404
because free gear
save king's yield or cordial for elemental node too?
lofty crane
e12s PF tankbuster is a one way tank swap right?
because it looks like a double tankbuster
sonic olive
If you mean formless judgment then yes
You can just double invuln the first one if you want too
Better if you have a WAR though
sonic olive
Swag
stable basin
Both hits do piercing dmg+piercing vuln on top aggro and slashing dmg+slashing vuln on second aggro so swap is needed when it's not double invulned
daring dome
also its 1st and 2nd in aggro
important for when your summoner gets brutally executed for the crime of dealing damage
forest nacelle
Whats the hp goal for each Titan Unreal phase?
torn kindle
Well he changes phases based on HP so it’s better ask what mechanic he’s on
First phase you should definitely push before 2nd tumults/mountain buster
2nd phase I think most of my groups pushes him right around 2nd gaols
Sometimes before
Final phase, depending on deaths and people being thrown off the edge, should die around 2nd set (3rd set? Honestly this fight just melts my brain) of adds or earlier
And heart phase should die right around or just before the bomb rocks drop
forest nacelle
Bleh, thats unfortunate then
We got up to heart phase multiple times as practice but dodging Landslide and Weight of the Land is hard with ping across the ocean
torn kindle
That’s just the authentic 2.1 experience!
Dodging the mechanics before they even happen
forest nacelle
Idk, I felt like I kept messing up on simple ARR stuff so I just left apologizing
torn kindle
Titan is definitely a brutal fight with learning the dance
And being properly stacked for weights goes a long way to dodging it
forest nacelle
We were properly stacked for weights but I've been screwed with ping each time
Maybe next time I can do it right haha
thorn plaza
Bruh I got blamed for not provoking when the other tank died when I was trying to heal everyone due to our 1 healer dying and nobody else being able to heal or res
aside from maybe stuff like Second wind or bloodbath I was the only person able to heal
undone tide
If the other tank dies you take aggro. Not rocket science
thorn plaza
I know
but I was busy keeping literally everyone else alive due to our 1 healer dying and nobody having the ability to res
undone tide
There's no point in healing if the boss is just going to kill them with autos
finite plank
paladin?...
undone tide
thorn plaza
Ye, I was playing pally
undone tide
Also there's WEAVING SPACE between clemency
Just weave in iron will after 1 and provoke the next
thorn plaza
aight.
uncut gate
1 provoke 2 heal yourself
much better than 3 heal others who'll die because they're not tank
dusk sapphire
Oi
what's the other strat for orbs? i've been using this one forever, and never fails, it basically works like clockwork, W, rotate CW is N, if you rotate CW, ignoring E cuz the other group is E, then S.
stable basin
The other way is pick a reference point and group 1 is first orbs clockwise of that, group 2 is the first orbs counterclockwise of that
dusk sapphire
The other way is pick a reference point and group 1 is first orbs clockwise of t...
aint this worse than just going ham by clockwork?
dusk sapphire
but
@stable basin isnt that pretty much the same shit? like, Group 1 taking W>N>S and group 2 taking E>S>N, in priority order, is the same shit as... y'know, taking South as reference point, then doing group 1 CW, group 2 CCW...cuz you end up on the same orbs as the other method
stable basin
It's slightly different for edge cases
Like if you use N as your reference and group 1 is CCW of N
It would be similar to doing W>S>N prio
But if one orb is NW and the other is W then group 1 would take NW by CW/CCW or W by direction prio
dusk sapphire
idk tho, i find that...lemme make a paint diagram
stable basin
Direction prio takes slightly more brainwork but tends to be more intuitive for edge cases
Like, if you're doing CW/CCW method you just point your camera at the reference then spin it and run to the first orbs you see
stable basin
you start from the same point
finite plank
this is e10s, right?
dusk sapphire
yeh, that's the reference point one
honestly, i can do both no issue
since they're basically the same old shit, with a minimal variation
If only y'know...
people used KB invuln when taking em
I still dont get why that person hates on the other strat tho
it aint so different, it's not like y'know...mith and mr.happy
devout totem
Coz CCW / CW is more straight forward.to understand
But for NWE / SEW, u nid to check on few spots
Until today suddenly i realise NWE / SEW can be done via setting E/W as true north and CCW / CW
But again, why E/W as true north, when u can use N as true north
subtle marsh
There's a better visual explanation I think. I just have to dig it up azu
This is what pile was saying
lost trench
Finally cleared E9S! After all this time
Been trying to clear it for a month
And here I am
And now I'll do some E10S practice soon
subtle bone
yay grats
solemn crow
torn kindle
Mine usually hovers around 90-110 depending on if I’m making stuff or running dungeons
steep falcon
I usually only have 1 tab full and 3 tab empty
foggy latch
its just totem
thankfully didnt happen in e12s coffer or mount
like someone
and coffer drop in floor
it doesnt go to next person
lapis scaffold
is TT meta for no special rules still 8 pair 3 stars and a A pair 5 star?
magic creek
I’d like to join a static anyone have any openings
sinful brook
I’d like to join a static anyone have any openings
Would be advisable to have some logs as a resume of sorts
arctic vortex
what potions do healers usually use for savage raids?
torn kindle
Mind
arctic vortex
thats what i thought also
someone in raid said i wasn't using potions when i used 2 grade 4 tinture of mind
lyric summit
whatever-the-highest-grade-it-is-now ethers can come in clutch too sometimes, though usually only during early/undergeared prog
unkempt cypress
hey guys my buddies are having trouble with the powder mark during e11s, they survive the application of the debuff but it explodes right after, they are doing tank swap during powder mark cast. what else is needed so that it doesnt explode right after?
i play healer so idk what's going on there :<
unkempt cypress
yeah MT had half HP left after debuff was applied
the OT voked
we checked the vid and MT still had highest aggro after voke, maybe that's why it explodes?
quick verge
it leaves a physical vuln debuff, so if they were top of aggro after the tb
they got auto’d and died
making it explode
unkempt cypress
ohhhh
cerulean wind
I cleared Memoria Misera EX with a really nice party finder group! Fun trial
I definitely appreciate RDMs a lot more than I did before lol
Verraise is a godsend
I only finished the MSQ two weeks ago, so diving into the endgame stuff has been very fun.
lost trench
yay grats
Thank you, my friends didn't congratulate me, but you did and I have to thank you for that
subtle marsh
... Why the hell did they not congratulate you. That's awfully rude of them.
finite plank
were they asleep
drowsy agate
@lost trench oo congratz on e9s clear
undone tide
Only like 2 of my friends actually congratulate me on my clears
drowsy agate
do you feel like you're doing more dps now with the tips everyone gave?
undone tide
... But then they ask me if I got any gear and feel bad.
lost trench
do you feel like you're doing more dps now with the tips everyone gave?
I was doing my rotation correctly, but due to focusing on mechs I feel like I didn't do something right
Here's my log for E9S clear
drowsy agate
ahh nice it looks better than that e5s log i remember looking it
ignoring the two deaths of course
lost trench
... Why the hell did they not congratulate you. That's awfully rude of them.
Only some of my friends did but not all of them :/
I think...2 friends did?
foggy latch
gz on clear
subtle marsh
Well at least two of them did.
subtle marsh
Still think the lot of them are rude af considering you actually improved enough to get the clear.
lost trench
Well they did congratulate me but they didn't scream louder saying "Congrats!!!" They just said like "grats whatever..."
foggy latch
considering you died twice
lost trench
Be glad I died before the mechs that needed me most
I mean that I died before the mechs that needed me to stay alive (such as Platforms)
foggy latch
platforms dont require you alive
lost trench
No they do
foggy latch
the only mech that require u to be alive is
art of darkness stack/spread
since dying there
will kill someone else
undone tide
Missing 6 flourishes is yikes tho I won't lie
foggy latch
everything else can be 7 manned
undone tide
But it's improvement
subtle marsh
His entire set up was yikes to the point he couldn't clear. Don't harp on him unnecessarily.
lost trench
I promised before doing E10S that i'll put myself some hotbars flourish and devilment for reminders that it's off cd
subtle marsh
I'd definitely suggest trying to get more comfy at e9
foggy latch
the fact he used flourish under tech always
subtle marsh
Getting that muscle memory and gear doesn't hurt
undone tide
Loure, I'm just pointing out his mistakes so he can change it.
foggy latch
was best improvement
subtle marsh
^
foggy latch
not using flourish outside tech isnt that big of being bad
the gain of flourish is about 400 - 700 potency
quaint marten
it might even make it worse if flourish is delayed out of tech window
foggy latch
so not that big
foggy latch
not using it under tech is much bigger impact
wheat marsh
that says 9:42, what's enrage time?
lost trench
I killed it at enrage
foggy latch
10:20 iirc
lost trench
It was before enrage? I don't remember.
lost trench
Heh, it's almost scary how good I am.
wheat marsh
38 seconds before enrage is pretty comfy XD
lost trench
Someone in my party messed up
foggy latch
e9s dps check is very low
lost trench
And we reached 0.1 enrage
wheat marsh
i;ve had a few 0.1s in extremes XD
undone tide
e9s dps check is very low
Talk about it. Cleared 9 with 12 deaths once
lost trench
Yowch
foggy latch
hmm?
lost trench
That's alot of deaths
wheat marsh
and always before i've gotten the first clear of the extreme
undone tide
Actually no. 13
subtle marsh
The fight is v mechanically easy but punishing if people don't do the mechanics correctly
Ten is kind of the opposite
lost trench
Or same to E9S?
subtle marsh
It's not hard it's just that you have to use your brain
subtle marsh
And the shadows can be kind of tricky to spot
lost trench
I'm gonna be doing E10S soon
wheat marsh
e10s is easy with a static. pugs is a nightmare
subtle marsh
It's less punishing in that you don't wipe at unresolved mechanics
undone tide
this can and will be you during e10
subtle marsh
But you get a lot of damage downs as punishment
foggy latch
your dps as a group need to step up though
lost trench
e10s is easy with a static. pugs is a nightmare
Don't remind me of that sad moment
wheat marsh
idk if my friend has been tearing her hair out on crystal or aether trying to pug e10s
foggy latch
e10s need 10 more dps than your e9s clear
undone tide
idk if I personally have the dps to clear 12 p1
foggy latch
10k*
subtle marsh
That doesn't sound terrible tbh
wheat marsh
my dps drops pretty hard when it comes time to mix dps and mechanics
lost trench
I've been wanting to do E12S
undone tide
I'm hovering around 12.7k and I still don't think that's enough for e12 p1
lost trench
Even though it's a nightmare difficulty
foggy latch
im pretty sure he can do 3-4k alone if he became better dnc alone
subtle marsh
Agreed.
foggy latch
6k goes to rest of party
lost trench
What does pugs mean?
wheat marsh
drop from high green to mid grey going from emerald ex 1 to emerald ex 2. i know i don't have BiS gear or materia but
lost trench
Oh
wheat marsh
parse
wheat marsh
upper 40s to mid 20s
subtle marsh
One thing that might help with standard is you still auto through your steps, and you can dash during it. So you don't have to stop or hold it during a movement phase.
stable basin
🤔
stable basin
I got a green on dnc
lost trench
Oof...I actually got kicked from a static. That means progressing E10S won't be easy
undone tide
So what's the best way to do e12s busters? How pf is doing it is mt invulns and ot heavy mits for first, ot invuln mt mit at second, and mt invuln ot mit for third
stable basin
poogchomp
subtle marsh
That's definitely a name pile
stable basin
that's the best way to do formless judgment yea
foggy latch
just skip the 3rd formless
stable basin
except war can invuln first 2
foggy latch
subtle marsh
I just wanna skip vg2.
foggy latch
and i saw vg2 and my brain translated to vegas 2
subtle marsh
Good thing I'm not dowkog runs.
foggy latch
idk why
subtle marsh
Doing log
foggy latch
cant wait to aim for logs
undone tide
I'm 516 and still not sure if I can cut into oranges at even 525
foggy latch
only to be killed in the clears
undone tide
Well
Maybe I can get oranges at 530 but I need to actually try which I don't want to do
foggy latch
mch play fine at low gcd
til you unlock air anchor
hotshot is whatever
u almost lose nothing delaying it
stable basin
not pld
undone tide
I heard it was shit at 70
Because bad req and no Atone
I'm going to not prog on PLD for the better of me and my group
sinful brook
8 tank ucob was done so i don't think tank choice really matters
they sorta picked a bunch of pallys and wars and drks
undone tide
The line up was I think 2 WAR 1 DRK 2 GNB 3 PLD?
stable basin
pld is playable
it's like
as good as it was in sb basically
but the other tanks got a lot better
and gnb is op
undone tide
But also like
Mitigation
The mitigation on literally every other tank is much better
stable basin
it's literally like two simultaneous umbra smashes
ucob busters dont hurt is like the most phys ranged main thing I've read
foggy latch
adds wreck tanks far more than goldy boi
from what i seen
i remember i needed to use
that brd thingy
to increase healing by 10%
forgot what its called
to make 1 of the tanks to not die to ravens beak
stable basin
the scariest part is tanking twin during stack quote in adds
blue bahamut busters hurt too
he weaves autos brtween flares breath
foggy latch
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/118084982311747585/442221657080201227/IMG_20180505_101045.png
oh i still remember this
stable basin
rdm holm 
wheat marsh
XD i dont think i can fix my SMN rotation XD
sinful brook
Why not
wheat marsh
1 - it seems like everything is down for 5.4 rework 2 - i clip wyrmwave stuff 3 - im still not quite used to switching egi actions in proper spots, thanks SB egi actions being oGCDs
stable basin
I understand none of this because I’m new but I’ll keep lurking
sinful brook
5.4 no rework they don't do mid patch updates for job balancing. egi assaults didn't even exist until shadowbringers but were ogcd at the start of the expansion
Clippinv wyrmwaves sounds like a weaving issue
And not rolling your gcd correctly with the correct number of instant casts
wheat marsh
its probably my spell speed
and for whatever reason whatever the balance links to for summoner is reworking a bunch of stuff
or 404'd
sinful brook
use akhmorning.com for casters
wheat marsh
yeah, half the stuff is in the works or 404
for summoner
the other thing is it doesn't spell out a full loop together, it's like 4 separate sections
most other classes have a connected full rotation
sinful brook
It is a loop in this sense
You just split your rotation into phases
Just like how it'd be for a black mage
Fire phase = damage
Ice phase = mana/filler
Summoner is the same idea
Dreadwyrm trance = burst phase 1
Cooldown period
Phoenix = burst phase 2
Cooldown period
wheat marsh
i tend to do better with things in a big string though, for whatever reason
sinful brook
Tack it together as one big string then
wheat marsh
that's a bit messy as theres two different openers and then situational 3 vs 4 GCD dreadwyrm trance options, which i didn't know you'd cut it shorter so almost every log i have has weaving as an issue with that at 6 gcds XD so thats another thing actually sussing out whats the proper rotation for this
subtle bone
Tf its not that complicated
Theres 2 viable openers and the rotations are static
The opener- is really all you need to get right
For demisummon autos check your spell speed + weaving .. should fix your problem
wheat marsh
cuz im at a point where i have an idea of rotation, just cant find the right things to tweak to max out from the pages
subtle bone
Bahamut with 4 ruin 4 stacks... use egi assault charges before firebird.. not much else you can do til you optimize in raid
wheat marsh
well i totally dont do the right opener since i never have 4 ruin 4s for the first bahamut
subtle bone
wheat marsh
that's more not knowing about openers and playing pretty much until a few months ago knowing there's optimised starts XD
wheat marsh
since i'd just ruin 3 to start then go to dwt XD
subtle bone
https://gyazo.com/720a59d784e55f646584c0411dff5438 i use this + rushing trance (using dwt/firebird off cd)
easiest/most intuitive to learn imo
wheat marsh
i'd never imagine using egi during dwt
subtle bone
well there u go
wheat marsh
that's a hard one to adjust after years not doing it XD still have to also adjust dwt in rotation
subtle bone
A lot easier than you think, should take a few tries on a dummy to figure it out
wheat marsh
then have to adjust my filler before pheonix XD
subtle bone
“Fillers” are just egi assault/ruin3/ cast dots if theyre falling off
Aka- afk and sip coffee
lyric summit
just hit the dummy till you get it
wheat marsh
lol im worse at redmage XD
aside from dancer im not good with proc based classes
i dont even know if i deal damage as a bard XD
wheat marsh
idk its not the biggest deal since i'm not expecting to savage raid, so never really got into optimal performance?
quick verge
this is just playing the job at a baseline level
wheat marsh
i drift too much doing mechanics as it is XD
finite plank
i tried spending braincells on smn a few months ago
i lost all of them and can't play smn again
undone tide
Where's the egi glam? You're playing it wrong
finite plank
locked behind a quest
undone tide
It takes like 2 minutes
wheat marsh
i dont think i've ever used a tincture XD
upper cedar
For e11s how many people can be around the boss for elemental break lightning?
finite plank
4 at cardinals, no space for people to squeeze in at inter cards so ranged will need to back out
or die
wheat marsh
this is just playing the job at a baseline level
theres general flow vs optimal choices, i doubt people would figure out openers and optimal weave orders on their own.
dusk sapphire
Man my DPS(im healer) fucking sinks on vg2
Cuz drop puddle, dmg taken
I gotta top ppl up cuz they like getting hit by the 4 gigaslashes
Then stand in puddle, more dmg taken
Then drop shadow, go center vg, vg resolves, more dmg taken...
Bait puddles, move to shackled DPS, more dmg taken
And then orbs... so i gotta keep em topped
Cant wait to skip that shit
foggy latch
@wheat marsh u can figure out 90% of optimal rotation without math
the last 10% is just mathing every action out
stable nimbus
Is it worth getting the Cryptlurker's weapon if you have the Emerald one and still progging savage? (for DRG)
flat whale
are you able to get the weapon upgrade (I forget the name)
undone tide
520 wep in more than a few cases is not worth
stable nimbus
I'm hoping to clear a10s tonight so not yet
dull radish
If it's probably going to take you a while to get the raid weapon, the tome weapon is generally one of the strongest purchases you can make. Even if you can't get the upgrade item quite yet (though of course the upgrade adds quite a bit of value as well).
It is quite a tome investment though so it can end up having a bit lower priority at times (particularly compared to picking up other BiS pieces). And lot of times, it's not really having vs not having the tome weapon, that would make the difference in between clearing or not.
So it's just the sort of thing that you have to weigh options and decide for yourself in your situation if the value is good enough there. It'll be a stronger weapon for sure, regardless
fierce bobcat
Quick gearing question, thinking of getting my 520 wep upgrade from 515 emerald ex to cryptlurker, but am wondering if it is worth it. Im gaining 18~ dex but losing ~500 crit for det, is this worthwhile? NIN for reference
lyric summit
read above
drowsy agate
it's ~3 weeks worth of revelations you could have spent finishing the rest of your cryptlurker pieces or starting on another set for a different class
whether or not that's worth it is up to you
if your static was going to clear e12s anyway then I wouldn't get it
soon as you clear e12s and get your weapon, that 1000 allegory goes straight onto your retainer
stable basin
I wouldn't get it until you have the upgrade tome ready to go or you're done buying other tome stuff
undone tide
If I get upgrade item this week I might get it next week since I'm low on fanta
Phanta*
But also det ten
Er, Crit Ten
This guy in my e9s reclear pf
drowsy agate
clear's a clear
undone tide
idfc if your logs look like that it looks like you're gonna cause some issues
sinful brook
hey its consistent 😏
have you examined why they're 9s?
if its 0 deaths at least they're doing the mechanics right
quick verge
unlucky
upper cedar
Is there enough time to lb3 in e10s and then get an lb1 again
undone tide
When is your lb3 coming up and what's your kill time
steep falcon
Isn't lb1 a dps loss anyway?
quick verge
it's a gain
you might get an extra lb1 if you lb3 as soon as it comes up
and you're like, seeing really close to enrage
lofty crane
Feel like I'm doing something wrong with WAR
my parses have been on average 55 - 63
The only thing Ive pinpointed is not using upheaval enough between inner releases
olive hearth
It could come down to who you're playing with
Or you're missing something small that effects it more
lofty crane
im still trying to figure out
quick verge
- gear
- gcd uptime
- losing casts of abilities
- kill immediately after IR ends
- crit things outside of IR
lofty crane
how to use upheaval on right moments
quick verge
you press it on cd
steep falcon
quick verge
you're drifting it too much then
steep falcon
You're drifting your cds
quick verge
depending on your gcd speed, it'll naturally drift
steep falcon
They're not align
olive hearth
It's probably not the only issue
lofty crane
Gear wise, I was 520 ilvl
olive hearth
Just watch out
quick verge
but even with weird gcd tiers, you can still press upheaval on cd and still have it line up with IR
for most, if not all of the encounter
lofty crane
See, I'm doing 2.37 GCD
steep falcon
What about the strats
lofty crane
you mean when I need to move out etc etc?
quick verge
for whatever encounter, do your strats allow you to get full uptime?
and, are you losing gcds for some reason?
lofty crane
for stuff like anti laser, i am just using tomahawk before I gap close
quick verge
can probably roll your gcd before moving out
actually,
just post your logs
easier to see what you're doing
lofty crane
yeah, that's probably the biggest thing there
lofty crane
I want to do a couple of fun runs of e9s, e10s & e11s
just to do more practice with GCD timing