yeah ppl are starting to skip that
#endgame-lounge
nova socket
also in 11s you have to hold the delirium before prismatic
stable basin
there's some decent war/drk rep in top 10 rn but that might change as 90s get held again
cuz fastest is 9:50 and that's about the shortest where you gain a use by using before prismatic
odd stream
I feel like pld is too strong for what it offers 
stable basin
PLD is strong but not as strong as it looks like by rdps
quick verge
it abuses buffs really poorly
stable basin
last tier top drk was competitive because it put more potency into buff window
nova socket
currently nobody has good runs
stable basin
^
odd stream
True maybe that
quick verge
would wait until after week 8 for data
nova socket
we got
quick verge
tbh
quick verge
it be like that
stable basin
Poggg
Got to intermediate
Formed a temp group to try again this weekend
Feeling pretty good about it. Getting basic down for the first time felt super fkin good
And we managed to kill door RIGHT before enrage with SMN death
So dps isnt an issue
slender grail
Hey guys, I've a question about e12s. Im playing Sam and I can't pull my rDPS pass 20k. Any advise would be appreciate
nova socket
in p1?
slender grail
yea
nova socket
it's a full uptime fight if you just do correct loop you shouldn't ever be so low
there's nothing special to it
like, that's a hard grey to be sub 20k
undone tide
@slender grail what gear do you have
ok it's definitely a performance issue, you're 516
Would you like to post some logs
You don't even exist on fflogs...
odd stream
Privated logs/profile
undone tide
Yeah but if he wants help the best he could do is paste his logs here
stable basin
Eating food and potting at the right time helps too
You pot on opener then hold 2nd pots for after lions
lethal elm
I’m not really sure where to put this but does this mean we’re about to be on our last expansion? The new one coming out soon?
undone tide
they're speaking of the 5.5 ending
lethal elm
@undone tide I hope so, meaning we’re gonna go to another place again then
undone tide
or just the 6.0 ending
I have no doubt they intend to stop, Yoshi said himself that nothing can take him from the development of XIV
lethal elm
@undone tide so you think msq will be a thing for a few more expansions then?
undone tide
yes
Plus he's said 6.0 is the end of the Hydaelyn/Zodiark arc which implies there's more arcs to come.
quick verge
lethal elm
I removed the message. Sorry
undone tide
Gonna post the e9s-12s timelines for reference
E9S
E10S
E11S
E12S (Promise)
E12S (Oracle)
quick verge
WIP
stable basin
looking at the p2 guide
Shockwave 3: Remaining regen healer cooldown
whats the remaining cd for whm
if temperance is used
quick verge
yes, using temperance there means it won't be up for the rest of the fight
stable basin
this is soft enrage
quick verge
yeah
you get one use of temperance and similar length cooldowns during terminal
that will be your final use for the rest of the encounter
stable basin
yea but what is the other cooldown its talking about
quick verge
asylum
stable basin
i see
rapid stratus
When looking to clear something like E4S, would it be better to learn by joining random PF groups to practice (assuming I've already watched a guide) or would it be better to find a more permanent group if possible?
quick verge
your best shot to learn old savage content would be to make/join random pfs, or make recruitment posts about running said content
that said nobody is really going to run them atm, so expect to wait a long time to find a group to even enter
rapid stratus
So far I've not really had to wait long even during the inactive hours tbh so I guess that's neat.
stable basin
bruh
lmao
but yeah ill keep that in mind
what is it unmitigated?
over 200k?
foggy latch
unmitigated
stable basin
or does it just hit hard because mitigation tends to run out
stable basin
ah
pain
on the plus side as long as everyone survives that u dont need to heal it up
quick verge
make sure the tank doesn’t explode to autos before the enrage cast
I’ve seen it happen and it almost cost a clear
foggy latch
good luck
foggy latch
wait
i mean week 8
when yall are bis
so week 12 for u unless you got lucky with loot
stable basin
i need so much raid gear for bis its not even funny
well
6
but i got shit luck
subtle bone
unsync?
forest nacelle
It can be unsync?
subtle bone
yes
forest nacelle
Huh I've never done it before but that could be nice
subtle bone
yea its very easy/fast now
some people still run it to get gear/mount/unlock tea
probably the best time to run it
lyric summit
i mean.. it's level 80 content, how do you want to unsync it 
forest nacelle
lyric summit
gonna be more level 80 than last year
forest nacelle
Its better to start a PF for savage too, right?
subtle bone
yup
sinful brook
its not unsyncable yet either because current expac content
forest nacelle
Is there a ilvl cap?
sinful brook
not for savage
steep falcon
Can't be unsync, but there's also no ilvl cap so you should be able to defeat Titan before his last phase.
drowsy agate
as far as tips for white mage goes
there is a lot of movement in this fight
if you aren't a god at slidecasting you better start practicing to be
try to surecast the big knockbacks in phase 1 instead of just eating them
most parties do DPS tank healer for those knockbacks so just slide into your spot and surecast
forest nacelle
DPS Tank Healer?
drowsy agate
are you familiar with the car or arms knockback?
forest nacelle
Ohh wait you mean the
Yeah I had to consider
Wait do I really need to use surecast if Titans gonna knock me back to my designated spot anyways?
drowsy agate
well
it's inconvenient to get knocked back
for numerous reasons
- it's difficult to aim for your exact spot
- that's a lot more movement because you have to run in, get knocked back, and then reposition
- you risk missing it and dying anyway
forest nacelle
Thats fair
drowsy agate
there's not really any whm-specific tips i can give tbh
most of it is just pretty generally obvious
forest nacelle
Yeah just dont get hit
drowsy agate
preposition for as many mechanics as you know, help mitigate the raidwides, make sure you do the mechanics right
people were able to fully skip part 3 with 5.2 BiS
forest nacelle
Is it better to like, precast the aoe heals before the raidwides happen?
drowsy agate
it's not necessary but you can
the raidwides were designed for 5.1 gear
most of the time people die because they mess up mechanics
not because they got hit by a raidwide
part 1 is a lot harder than part 2 at least in my opinion
it should be way easier now to skip part 3
if the run is going well you won't even see the merry-go-round
probably be able to kill it around light parties
or a bit after
drowsy agate
pretty much
part 1 is just a bunch of mechanics smashed together that all require instant movement
pallid gorge
In e9s, when does the small cloud get absorbed to Cod? Is it edge of hit box? Or actual CoD model?
quick verge
i think it's edge of hitbox, not sure though
stable basin
Does anyone have any... Guide? Help? Tutorial? For triple apoc?
Our group is on-target for the clear until triple
stable basin
Nah the issue is the dps dying at it
I can do it fine
But the KB is causing some issues
this is the diagram that expanded my brain on it
You always go to the segment where two lights converge and get knocked to where the middle one went
So if it was flipped around
You'd get knocked right?
yeah
subtle bone
if the middle light goes right you get kb left
stable basin
Also we've been going by the notion of
subtle bone
if it goes left you kb right
stable basin
"just always get knocked left"
subtle bone
no way lol
stable basin
And it works if u angle it right
Cuz you want to get knocked into the first explosion of one of them
undone tide
I'm not bad at the game anymore
stable basin
And the middle one always goes out next to one of the side ones
So you get knocked there
Because that side has the first explosion of a side one
dull radish
technically I believe you can always get knocked back one direction but uh
it's a lot tighter if you go the "wrong" way?
quick verge
you can get knocked in one direction every time, yeah
stable basin
Nice parses :thumbsup;
quick verge
but it's tight if it's not the 'normal' way
stable basin
I see
dull radish
there's not really reason to just not go the safer way and learn it that way, at least for now
stable basin
I'll bring it up with them and see if it helps
dull radish
but it doesn't hurt to know that you don't have to adjust last second if you're wrong and know where to stand
subtle bone
ez clear then
quick verge
yeah
undone tide
My req got misaligned from 3rd chariot and I'm trying to spot what went wrong
stable basin
Ive been using rough frames of 70/50/30 at the end of relativities
Then 15% for terminal
And we've been on target or even slightly ahead each time. But the deaths and no melee lb3 is pain
Mitigation plan makes terminal a doozy though
foggy latch
15% on terminal is abit too high
looking at our clear
78%-77% at start of basic cast
68% after basic ends
64% at single apo
52% at intermediate cast start
47% after it ends
43% double apo
31%-30% advanced start of cast
28% after it ends
23%-22% triple apo
13% terminal start of cast
quick verge
they change
quick verge
it will just cycle through all 3 though
lofty crane
Ok, good to know
stable basin
13% terminal start of cast
Thx, I'll keep that in mind
potent iron
stable basin
Hey when do i unlock 'empty' location, still haven't finished Shadowbringers but looking for eden trials
torn kindle
If you haven’t finished the leveling story then you can’t unlock it yet
If you have then the starting quest is near the crystarium aetheryte
quick verge
mortal stone
Is it just me or is e10 impossible to clear in pf?
torn kindle
I never had a problem with any of the Eden Normals so far outside of week one
mortal stone
Meant Savage sorry
torn kindle
Oh, can’t relate then. Too scared for savage
mortal stone
I’ve been ready to clear for days and pf just can’t do it
Even with the easy safe strats
limpid sage
hi , i wana try eden savage umbra party, but the the pt comment says "boss relative" . What does this mean?
mortal stone
It means that for a specific strategy you move relative to the boss’s position
Usually for e9 that would be for Anti-Air
subtle marsh
It means that wherever the bsos faces, that's considered "north"
true north would mean that you go north on your compass regardless of where the boss was positioned before.
subtle marsh
I can probably pain draw a thing for you later
limpid sage
Ok
subtle marsh
Just give me a few minutes to finish this run
mortal stone
So this used for the pairs/ spread mechanic correct?
In e9 relative usually applies to Anti-Air Phaser Unlimited and Wide Angle Phase Unlimited
So tanks/groups go to a specific side of the boss rather than always true east or west
Because she can jump north or south so doing true north would be confusing for people
limpid sage
Ahhh ok thank you!
subtle marsh
^ yeah what that person said
relative is just easiest
cuz she does tend to jump around
and she does jebait sometimes with anti-air raid wide tethers
supple sail
Boss relative would also be for buddy stack/spread yes
limpid sage
Ohhh ok
supple sail
Because after the boss comes back from anti-air/wide-angle phaser it’s not worth the bother of turning her back north
limpid sage
I see, ok thank you everyone!
steep falcon
uncut gate
e10s clear party: can't reach vgII
there's also some people who think relative left/right means people go left/right as they're heading towards boss
thankfully it's rare, but i'm running into those more often this tier than before now too
stable basin
There's less room for error too, apparently
My group had some nasty wipes on lion today
Dont go too far forward, or u get clipped
Dont go too far back or u end up baiting lion through mid
Im not sure how line lions removes that risk though
line lions actually kinda breaks my brain lmao
it's safer in that the guys not currently baiting big lions are very far away from any cleaves
but it's a lot more movement
and adjusted bili bili is super safe anyway
steep falcon
fleet rover
So I've finished post Shb, yay no more msq.
Any idea what I should do next?
Thinking about grinding for the doggos
subtle marsh
You can do pretty much whatever you want, whether that's grinding for mounts or glamour or going for harder content like the extremes/savages.
foggy latch
line lions is just crap to casters
lyric summit
all mechanics still apply but it dies around 2nd uplift
torn kindle
You basically skip the last phase now with current damage
So you’ll still need a video guide but you shouldnt need to know anything past Orogenesis
AKA when both small Titan and big Titan are out
undone tide
My FC was talking about that last night
It's a static strat, no doubt
I highly doubt pf will be willing and able to do it
dull radish
For the amount of mitigation you need to toss at it, it's likely not really even a static strat. More a meme/funny thing that works
undone tide
you could try it in parse runs, sure
dull radish
You could try a lot of things, doesn't really make them worthwhile
lyric summit
6.0 should add a new role action that just lets melees attack from a range 
true north but it makes your melee attacks work from up to 30y away
delete the greed
storm frostBOT
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lyric summit
yeah but just a standalone cooldown thats not part of your rotation
at first i thought everyone should get a six sided star equivalent but i have no idea how good that actually is
undone tide
Six Sided Star is not comparable to full uptime
It's the best option if you NEED to move out for a sec
steep falcon
Most of my perfect run ends on a wipe because a melee wanted an extra gcd on a certain mechanic.
undone tide
adjust
umbral parcel
Does anyone have timelines for 9-12s that i can edit with my own groups stuff off hand before I make my own google doc lol
foggy latch
its pinned
quick verge
@umbral parcel make a copy of this sheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iVCL09QMIhjVbOq4j54LgdWirBWHi6Bjs0zGIoTqUxA/edit
not complete but w/e
umbral parcel
thanks!
umbral parcel
yes ty i wanna make a doc that i can edit and optimzie with my group didnt know if anyone had a basis for one haha
forest nacelle
When they say mgr in e4s pf. Does that just mean the Merry Go Round? Or is it a different strategy
stable basin
merry go round yea
forest nacelle
Unfortunately im not really familiar with that strategy?
drowsy agate
many e4s teams usually clear before seeing it at all these days
forest nacelle
Is it just dps takes corners, healers and tanks move as a group. Melee dps takes one square behind the tanks and healers
Yeah our dps wasnt.. good at all haha
We had like 20% hp on it when it sent out baby titan
I get why because the healers (including me) couldnt get everyone up in time when they died and had to rely on rdm to use verraise
Because of how much movement there is. Hard casting raise is a lil death sentence alot of the time haha
rapid spade
What's MCH feet BiS?
lyric summit
raid
devout totem
Regular bili places tether and waymark around the boss, so u have more uptimes but lesser safespot?
quick verge
is there any BiS equips for SCH
you can check the balance discord for best in slot sets for all jobs
invite link pinned
stable basin
adjusted bili bili spreads the tethers just a little, instead of the inside top corner of the markers you stand on the outside top corner
makes the close n/s safe spots like 300% bigger
foggy latch
FFS STOP DROPPING WEAPONS WE ALREADY GOTTEN YOU FUCKEN SHIT BOSS WE ALREADY HAVE WHM WEAPON
at least im guarateed to get wep next week
quick verge
ok thanks for sharing
sinful brook
Damn I can't believe rng got you
nova socket
not having weapon week 5 
forest nacelle
I swear this happened. But I'm not sure what was happening. Is it possible for Titan Maximum to destroy one side of the arena leaving both gaols alone for last?
Maybe its because I died earlier and someone else got gaoled in my place which kinda confused the game
quick verge
if you're dead at the time of rock throw, then it'll target another member of the party, and the mechanic will proceed as normal
sounds strange though
thorn plaza
I got three questions, one, in E4S does Titan Maximum always destroy the north part of the arena first, does the fist he raises telegraph which part he'll destroy I.E left hand will destroy left side of arena. And lastly, I'm thinking of later attempting Eden's Promise Savage, but I might skip E10S, how much gear would I be missing for skipping that one
subtle marsh
re: skipping e10s: You are currently unable to skip fights, unless you're intending on doing it when all fights are unlocked then it's whatever.
thorn plaza
Oh would I need to do E9S, then E10S, then so on to unlock the next savage raid?
foggy latch
1- not always he can break south 1st to
foggy latch
but he always break same side left or right side
stable basin
If you mean during gaols he should break a random section and then break a section with a gaol on it adjacent to the one he just broke
thorn plaza
So what's the telegraph for him breaking south first?
Him just pulling his arm back farther
thorn plaza
Ah
stable basin
gaols are placed N and S so they can adjust to where he's breaking
foggy latch
there are 4 orders
stable basin
My static put them E and W because we had someone with triggernometry lol
foggy latch
you cant tell if he break far or close 1st
cause animation is same
but if he break north 1st
3rd will break north too
if he break south 1st
he will break south at 3rd too
thorn plaza
aight thanks.
I'm still trying to clear E4S for the mount
cause it's a non mog station 4 seater, right?
foggy latch
yes
only 4 seater mount that cost nothing
outside unobtainable ff15 questline car
atm
thorn plaza
Also I might try E8S soon, would Wyrms Lament be comparable to Hello World or Forsaken?
subtle marsh
E8s is just hard because it has some mechanics that neet to be resolved perfectly
Need
Otherwise it's a wipe
foggy latch
icelit dragonsong and light rampant are hello world difficulty
stable basin
probably gonna be difficult to get any e8s parties going
anyone who was interested enough to learn that fight at some point in the 9 months they had wants nothing to do with it any more
thorn plaza
That and also dye-able armor
Eden armor is really cool
Better than Omega armor that's for sure.
A lot of the Genji armor looked pretty ugly, especially for casters.
Diamond stuff was hit or miss for your class
and the Omega stuff is aight I guess
Nothing really special
stable basin
Omega chests are my favorite
thorn plaza
A lot of them look too samey tbh
They're aight but like
wish they had more going on
This is a final raid tier stuff
stable basin
idk they're pretty busy designs
thorn plaza
maybe for like Fending and Scouting
but a lot of them really look plain to me
stuff like the Alexandrian armor defo looks more cool.
Also I wonder if it'll ever be possible to solo B4S, because iirc the mid golem won't die until the other two are dead, and if one gets near the mid, the mid becomes invincible.
I don't think even a ranged can snipe the golems that fast
thorn plaza
and that entails?
stable basin
you just sit there til it enrages and heal through the 20k raidwides
stable basin
nael
stable basin
The first T4 solo was a healer soloing T4S
cuz apparently the T4S enrage does less damage than normal so it was easier
thorn plaza
I mean isn't there only 4 bahamut savage fights tho
Or did I somehow miss all the others
subtle marsh
You might be thinking ultimate
stable basin
yeah there are only 4 savage coils
Little slip there
cuz ppl say T9 for second toil T4
But IIRC ppl would say like T4S
Cuz that was the fourth savage one
idk
subtle marsh
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unkempt raft
So I finally made it to 'endgame' where I should be farming for crystarium gear along with revelation gear, my IL is 503. I haven't done any of the Eden Savage or any of the savages, and i was wondering if I needed to do the first 8 savages in order to get e9s-e12s. First MMO so trying to learn everything I can.
devout totem
Crystarium gear is now outdated, so the new one should be 520 tome gear / 530 savage gear
torn kindle
Previous tiers of savage aren’t needed at all
Unlike normal, savage raids tiers are completely isolated from each other
unkempt raft
Alright cool, I guess I'm getting crystarium gear to raise my IL as this is my 2nd week getting tome / e9. I'm slightly scared to do any of the savages as I haven't been able to find a party lol.
devout totem
U can use party finder (PF) to find a party (well), or create yr own pt
Be sure to watch the guides first
unkempt raft
Alright good to know. How exactly does the gear work for savage? I read some things but kind of confused lol.
torn kindle
!faq savageloot
storm frostBOT
unkempt raft
So you have to do them in order of E9S then 10, then 11, then 12?
devout totem
Yes
unkempt raft
Makes sense.
serene lotus
If you want drops
devout totem
Unless u are quite certain u dunnid all the loot (even the books / upgrade mats)
serene lotus
You can join E10S without clearing 9, but that will flag you as having cleared E9S so you can't get any loot from it
Same if you join 12, it flags 9, 10 and 11 as cleared
unkempt raft
Got it. I'll look up some guides on how to clear, thanks for the info. Finally got to endgame stuff so I'm kinda excited but stumped at same time
devout totem
the restriction will be there for few months. After that, u will be free to farm these raids for loots
unkempt raft
But then it will have higher gear to get just like previous raids and such, but I gotcha.
devout totem
Its slightly diff: prev raids will have echo now
Its just that the weekly loot restriction is lifted so u can farm it, still without echo
unkempt raft
Got it. Makes sense. Looking forward to learning the hardships of savage lol.
On a side note, I know there's things to install on PC, but I play on PS5, is that going to hinder anything?
drowsy agate
no? you just can't parse yourself on console
if you're in savage you're going to be parsed by someone else anyway
hearty sandal
There is stone sea sky you can use to give you a general idea if you have enough dps for a boss
paper violet
eeeeeh
in level 70(8man dungeons) i just got this bad boi
Altar Mandragora
he used "Optical Illusion" and straight up oneshot me.... is it a garanteed kill if it lands?
torn kindle
It’s a tank buster
robust plover
Sounds fun to try face solo tank
lost trench
The dancer rotation is really hard to understand
I can't even clear E9S and i've seen enrage already
drowsy agate
most of the time seeing enrage isn't a problem with your DPS
it's a problem with people dying
on an early fight like e9s there's not much of a DPS check
also the dancer rotation is really easy, what about it is hard to understand?
stockpile feathers for your burst window, unload them during raid buffs
lost trench
also the dancer rotation is really easy, what about it is hard to understand?
Uhh...all of it.
drowsy agate
the rotation itself is simple
you have a 1-2 combo
cascade into fountain
if you get a proc on reverse cascade or fountainfall, use it
otherwise continue spamming cascade into fountain
that's really pretty much it
standard step on cooldown
lost trench
I've been doing that
drowsy agate
okay, then to add on to that
lost trench
My friends told me to only use technical and standard
drowsy agate
standard step on cooldown of course
drowsy agate
yes yes use your cooldowns on cooldown or line them up with your raid buffs
quaint marten
hoard your feathers until you technical or you see trick attack then burn them all
drowsy agate
don't use flourish if you have other procs
spend your procs first, then flourish
better yet, try not to have procs when flourish is about to come up
quaint marten
basically, build up your resources (procs/feathers/espirit) until a time when you see either trick attack (every 60 seconds) or technical step (every 120 seconds)
then dump all your resources
thats it basically
drowsy agate
don't sit on 4 feathers either
because you can't get more
dump 1 feather if you are capped
quaint marten
keep espirit around 70 or 80 depending on your comfort level
drowsy agate
or if you know when trick/technical are coming up, you can hold 4 feathers for it
quaint marten
devilment and tech have the same CD so try to always use devilment inside tech and make sure to fit standard inside tech for maximum oomph
priority is saber dance, feather and feather procs, flourish proc and ensure you have enough time to standard
drowsy agate
also, when you flourish, make sure you use your AoE procs too even if it's ST
quaint marten
and obviously for flourish procs, use the stronger AoE procs first yup
drowsy agate
so rising windfill and bloodshower
but you will need to be in melee range to use them
so you can't just sit far away from the boss all the time
lost trench
yes yes use your cooldowns on cooldown or line them up with your raid buffs
They told me the problem of not clearing E9S is because of my DPS and rotation
drowsy agate
do you have a parse or log I can look at?
lost trench
Well my phone is bugged but i'll try finding it
drowsy agate
what's your username?
i can just search you on fflogs
wait nvm you said you haven't cleared jk
drowsy agate
yeah if you have a log that someone parsed, link it and let me take a look
lost trench
drowsy agate
oh nice
quaint marten
cute lizzer
drowsy agate
there isn't a savage log since you haven't cleared, the only thing I can go off of is your e10 normal clear
that's normal
you haven't cleared anything on savage so fflogs defaults to showing your normal clears
quaint marten
yea, thats normal mode
lost trench
Ah, I see
drowsy agate
do you happen to have a specific log that your savage mates parsed? because other than this the only thing I can look at is that one normal e10 clear
lost trench
cute lizzer
Thanks! Hardly anyone says it
lost trench
do you happen to have a specific log that your savage mates parsed? because othe...
I think I do for Ramuh (E5S)
quick verge
patch 5.4 gear won't show at all on fflogs currently
drowsy agate
we can take a look at that one then
but i'm gonna tell you right away
it's not pretty
i'm going to ignore the obvious stuff
you died twice on that e5s clear
that's going to destroy your DPS, but you know that
lost trench
Oh yes sir
drowsy agate
that's good
i would start off by analyzing that xivanalysis page, it looks like there are a lot of basic things you can improve on
you can't do this
quaint marten
looks like you never casted devilment even once. thats the first major yikes
drowsy agate
this is bad
if you cascade, you have to fountain
all of this
this should be at 0
that's one of the most basic things to get right is not messing up your 1-2 combo
have you ever just whacked a target dummy for like 5 minutes?
i would do that as a drill at least a few times a week
quaint marten
👍
lost trench
Don't worry, I now do standard step to technical step to devilment to flourish
lost trench
I see I see
undone tide
You want to weave flourish in after standard
lost trench
I felt like my knowledge increased!
quaint marten
as little as possible because having higher skill speed makes your abilities desync with each other
drowsy agate
it's not a big deal if you have skill speed, but things like always-be-casting and double weaving can get harder for higher skillspeed because you have to press buttons faster
to build off that, you've learned to do your opener correctly right?
because in the e5s log you didn't do a correct opener
lost trench
dancer wants no skill speed
Oh really?
drowsy agate
yes
lost trench
I guess if I resub i'll extract
drowsy agate
ilevel > stats of course but you should avoid skill speed where you can
drowsy agate
crit > dhit = det
lost trench
Okay i'll give out direct hit then.
lost trench
Yeah I do
drowsy agate
okay good
because the opener puts into principle a lot of things you should be doing for the rest of your rotation
i.e. devilment up and using all your cooldowns during it, flourish during devilment + tech step etc.
lost trench
Aye aye, sir.
drowsy agate
then it just comes down to practice
if you can, parse yourself on a training dummy
every player who wants to do savage seriously should be able to do a 100% perfect rotation on a training dummy for 6+ minutes
no excuse if you can't do that
because if you can't play your class well against a dummy, there's no way you can play your class well when dodging mechanics and shit
for dancer it's a tiny bit tricker though since you get barely any esprit due to no dance partner but it's still good to practice the rest of it
sinful brook
and at 6 minutes is where everything usually lines up for a party to do what is called a reopener
where all buffs are lined up for those big slaps
don't worry about pot windows and all that for now
just make sure you can comfortably do your rotation
lost trench
!me
storm frostBOT
lost trench
Damn it my membership expired
lilac cipher
what membership?
subtle marsh
Probably their sub
unkempt cypress
for e11s lightning cycles, do the tanks need to use invuln for the tether?
finite plank
use cooldowns to bait the lightning cleaves
foggy latch
@unkempt cypress its not that hard hit u only need 1 cd
unkempt cypress
ok, i guess i was too lost for being there for the first time x.x
subtle marsh
It'll get easier with practice
buoyant tinsel
lyric summit
vestal tendon
Is titan unreal a good "first extreme trial?" I haven't done any shb ex so I wonder how it compares
lyric summit
all ex are about the same difficulty but unreal trials are a bit more.. primitive mechanic-wise, way more group responsibility with everyone baiting mechanics in correct spots etc. i feel like most mechanics in extremes are limited to "you fuck up = you die", especially in ruby and emerald wep, and in unreal fights that might not often be the case
if you want a taste of how new endgame stuff is designed nowadays then ruby/emerald would probably be better for first extreme, since fight design changed a lot between now and 6 years ago when titan ex was designed
vestal tendon
start with the most recent ex
okay lol
thanks, I'm just curious what's a good place to start
high ether
the current relevant ex is the best step up to harder content
frozen portal
what is the hardest synced of stormblood ? o4s/o8s/o12s
dull radish
it's bit close between those two yeah
assuming you're not doing min ilvl and not like going in blind or whatever
wild ether
where can I read up tps strat for p2?
stable basin
Wdym by tps strats? @wild ether
wild ether
the strat tps group used
stable basin
Ahh
Afaik they havent publicised their strats
But it's pretty straightforward for most of the mechs
Like e11 there's not a lot of room for multiple strats
quick verge
idk if anyone has written down the specifics of the tps strats but you can just watch their clear on sfia's yt channel
subtle bone
https://i.imgur.com/s5QcVnw.png need to fix e12 😭
stable basin
I need a good oracle without dmg down 
quick verge
stack cds and tbn for the damage down™️ mechanics
stable basin
ngl I've been tempted to tbn+cd the shiva circles in apoc a couple times
stable basin
yeah
i think i'll try this channel since desynth is kinda endgame related and i'm not getting it answered in #questions-and-help , but can you get plate of light from desynthing sosex weapons?
subtle bone
nope
lost trench
I really wish I cleared E9S
uncut gate
what's stopping ya
subtle bone
go clear !!!! you can do it
lost trench
I've only seen enrage
And my static cleared E10S and left me
Been trying to clear E9S for a month now
lost trench
what's stopping ya
Been joining Clear Parties, and I still can't win because of people dying to mechanics
My friends told me my rotation is bad, but i've been doing the same rotation over and over, I guess it's because of my materia which has some skill speed and it's useless
subtle marsh
You can have a lot of deaths and still clear. Can even clear early with death's it's that lenient.
The issue is not wholly with the deaths but the overall dps being thrown out.
lost trench
That's the thing, more deaths mean less DPS
subtle marsh
You're misunderstanding.
The dps check for e9s is a joke.
I died twice, the second time I was dead for over a minute. 99% of my static died leaving our summoner [somehow] to finish the job.
We finished before enrage.
lost trench
I've been trying for a month now
subtle marsh
If you use act you could see where the actual issue is. Whether it's truly rotational/cooldown rolling or deaths.
nova socket
a month on first floor of a tier 
lost trench
ACT?
subtle marsh
Something combat tracker.
lost trench
a month on first floor of a tier <:worry:588047484845162497>
I've been trying I swear
subtle marsh
And Niko, your snark isn't warranted here. Go away.
lost trench
You don't need to kick him out, lmao
subtle marsh
It's not needed. People clear when they clear.
Either way, I suggest getting ACT and firing it up
uncut gate
yeah i wasn't gonna say it, but you probably aren't doing enough dps
forest nacelle
ACT gets you banned, doesnt it?
uncut gate
whether that's not pressing buttons all the time or something
subtle marsh
Only if you mention using it and or using it to be a shit head.
lost trench
I've been doing my opener first
uncut gate
e.g. my group can clear e9s with 10+ deaths
subtle marsh
^
Let me see if I can find my tragic e9s clear
It's really bad. I haven't had a chance to fix my parse yet. ; ;
uncut gate
if you have a normal/extreme log you can try and run it through ffxivanalysis and see what your mechanical weaknesses are
lost trench
I guess once I resub, i'll download ACT
uncut gate
that's fflogs and searching for your character's name
uncut gate
someone might have uploaded a log with you in it
subtle marsh
I was a 19 :C
lost trench
Try searching my name, I have a garbage parse
subtle marsh
But yeah, you can see where everyone died
And how long for
and you can see we still cleared
uncut gate
ast logs are pain when your team dies . . .
uncut gate
yup, major issue is you're not pressing your skills enough
abc: always be casting
fix that and you'll see your dps double easily
this is also reflected in your active percentage: 66%, meaning you spend like a third of your time not doing anything
sinful brook
Its just practicing your rotation
Stand at a dummy and spend the time
Even just practicing your opener in stone sky sea
So that you can do it blindfolded essentially
Will make your mechanic response better
Don't be discouraged
Consider finding a new group when you've become more comfy
lost trench
Where can I find a new group?
uncut gate
honestly, after you become more proficient with your class, unless you just want a casual social group
sinful brook
There are recruitment channels here
Theres a recruitment subreddit
Theres dedicated discord
But do these 1 step at a time
lost trench
I don't know what happened?
foggy latch
ppl there have mental issues
sinful brook
I don't know what happened?
What do you mean you don't know what happened
lost trench
I don't understand my issue
uncut gate
you probably just have a lot of deadtime from not being comfortable enough with your skills
like you spend seconds here and there not casting them when they become available, which adds up over the course of the fight
lost trench
Is this good? I can't tell
foggy latch
why tech is soo late?
uncut gate
triple i think d7 has more basic errors than tech being 10secs late >>
lost trench
I often do tech first
uncut gate
*than being 20secs late
lost trench
What do you mean?
foggy latch
حركاتك متاخرة
lost trench
I don't understand MMO words.
foggy latch
لازم تيكنكل ستيب تكون في اول عشر ثواني
lost trench
حركاتك متاخرة
Dude I may be arabic but, I understand English more
uncut gate
i don't play dnc, so i dunno what their basic attack rotation is, but this is what jumped out for me:
Always be casting 53.6%
Make sure you're always doing something. It's often better to make small mistakes while keeping the GCD rolling than it is to perform the correct rotation slowly.
GCD Uptime: 53.56%
foggy latch
overall your opener is way delayed
uncut gate
along with:
Always make sure to use your actions when they are available, but do not clip your GCD to use them.
Technical Step: 3 / 7 (42.86%)
Standard Step: 6 / 26 (23.08%)
Devilment: 3 / 7 (42.86%)
Flourish: 4 / 14 (28.57%)
stable basin
you just need to be pressing buttons more often
lost trench
I'm literally trying to see 3 things
stable basin
here's what your first minute looks like
Here's the first minute of a dnc I did parse runs with
lost trench
The boss HP
The buttons i'm pressing
The mechs
foggy latch
u dont need to see boss hp
subtle marsh
In honesty, that's easy mode compared to what healers have to do.
uncut gate
don't need to see boss hp, practice your skills until you don't need to see the buttons really, that'll help with doing mechs
stable basin
It's a lot to take in
So practice your rotation on a training dummy
You still have to pay attention to procs a lot as dnc
But you should be able to start taking in that information without needing to actually process it very much
That's when you can use your brainpower for mechanics
foggy latch
https://youtube.com/watch?v=gKhQcIxrCWs
thats how u need to play dnc
lost trench
here's what your first minute looks like
Which one is that E5S?
stable basin
that's from the log you linked earlier, e10n looks like
lost trench
I'm trying to concentrate more though
stable basin
honestly even if you're just mashing 121212 over and over again you'll do more damage by pushing some button every 2.5 seconds
lost trench
Here's the first minute of a dnc I did parse runs with
Why did you start Standard without any steps?
You need to start steps
foggy latch
its prepull
prepull skills arent in log
you prepare standard steps 15 secs before boss is pulled
is why steps arent registered in log
i suggest u read over dancer guide
since you are missing alot of of its core play
sinful brook
You tech after your standard gcd rolls around in your opener
How openers and damage sorta works in this game is you try and spike your dps as high as you can in the first like 30s of a fight
And you sorta slow the drop as much as you can afterwards over the course of a fight
lost trench
What if I used all my cooldowns?
sinful brook
And there are points where you spike up again but usually never as high as before
An opener is at the start of a fight
You have everything
sinful brook
For dancer in particular your biggest individual hits are standard and technical step
foggy latch
u dont use all your cooldowns at start
u weave them between your 2.5 secs gcds
you dont wanna delay any 2.5 secs gcds
cause they do most the damage
sinful brook
!faq weaving
storm frostBOT
lost trench
What does casting have to do with DNC? It's a physical job not magic
subtle marsh
You still weave regardless
That forced gap you have between recast is your weave qindow
The above is a visual explanation
Of how to weave
sinful brook
You are still "casting" your weaponskills
They just don't have a channel time like the spells of a caster
So what you'd have there would be whats considered instant cast
lost trench
What does pooling mean?
sinful brook
Banking
Saving up
In the context of dancer
You want to save up your feathers and use them inside technical step/devilment windows as much as you can
But while also not wasting any potential feathers that could have been gained
torn kindle
Outside of Technical Step+Devilment, You ideally sit at 3 feathers and then use the 4th one as it spawns
sinful brook
I tend to just weave it in if I see a proc available in case I generate one with that proc
subtle marsh
It means inputting abilities between gcds
sinful brook
Read the image
subtle marsh
^ yeah what channy said
lost trench
I see
subtle marsh
So in your case for example you'd use ability 1, feather, ability 2 feather etc. At the appropriate time
I don't play dancer at all, so take what I say with a grain of salt as far as examples go.
A good rule of thumb is basically : gcd>ogcd>gcd
sinful brook
Gcd > ogcd > ogcd > gcd is fine for dancer as well
"Instant" cast weaponskills give room for 2 weave windows between gcds
lost trench
Okay I see now
Once I resub i'll fix my melding
And bring food buffs
And try that stone sky sea thingie
subtle marsh
Food is very important
Depending on your class you may/may not need it for sks/sps tier, but more importantly the hp boost.
lost trench
What food you want me to get?
torn kindle
Dancer doesn’t really need skill speed, so Crit/det food is generally your best bet
Current tier food for that is smoked chicken, with Stuffed Highland Cabbage from the previous tier being a cheaper alternative
sinful brook
Safe option this tier is smoked chicken
But realistically anything cheap for the padding will help
Food is easily like 6 to 8k hp
torn kindle
Yeah I have a stack of stuffed highland cabbage I use for extremes
subtle marsh
I have 60 cabbage 50 herring I use for savage still but that's also because I bought a bunch before new tier and I don't do extremes that often
lost trench
There are some new foods with an item level of 510
subtle marsh
Also because I'm cheap and I can't make channy slave any more for me than he does already. :)))
lost trench
Which food do you want me to get?
lost trench
Safe option this tier is smoked chicken
Smoked chicken?
subtle marsh
Current tier food for that is smoked chicken, with Stuffed Highland Cabbage from the previous tier being a cheaper alternative
Is what Wynne said
lost trench
Is it expensive?
proper glen
cabbage is like 1-2k each and chicken is 2-3k each on my server
depends on what you would call expensive
lost trench
What's smoked chicken's ilvl? 510?
proper glen
yea, cabbage is 480
lost trench
Huh
To think an easily made food in real life can be a raiding food
I guess I should eat it in real life
torn kindle
!item pizza
storm frostBOT
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lost trench
LMAO
A real life food that I often love to eat
Became a raiding food
I love FFXIV
undone tide
@torn kindle shame it's the worst option we have this patch :(
torn kindle
undone tide
Smoked Chicken and Chicken Fettuccine are better sadly
torn kindle
Where’s the alternate universe where Pizza is Crit/Det
undone tide
talk to Yoshi P
stable basin
glizzy
stable basin
lmao
subtle bone
lol
sinful brook
Idm rin its not bad
stable basin
The creator of Mith strat agrees with you, apparently
quick verge
kinda wanna pin this tbh
quick verge
.
undone tide
@stable basin did you join them
stable basin
PF e9s
undone tide
it's not that bad tbh
pallid gorge
in e11s, are positions of the red and blue circles fixed? for example, north will always blue?
lyric summit
ye
the mirrors/squares are fixed too afaik
im like 80% sure
but the circles are fixed positions in all mechanics
foggy latch
they are all fixed
void compass
how much dps is a SCH supposed to do in castrum marinum EX
foggy latch
im gonna say how much dps you should do at i500 regardless of content
emerald ex will ask for much less than that amount but it give u a goal to strife on
assuming you are full i500 you should be pulling 10-11k as Rdps
going solo is around 9k
that doesnt account downtime
as P2 has almost 1 min downtime
void compass
dam
wheat marsh
oof im not doing well as a summoner in EX then XD
lofty crane
What's the ideal % for e11s before prismastic?
quick verge
What's the ideal % for e11s before prismastic?
25% should be highest, about
lofty crane
ok, most of my attempted A2C PF runs of e11s landed fatebreaker at around 28% before prismatic, with no deaths
stable basin
28% is potentially doable, 29% is not gonna happen
lofty crane
will keep that in mind
stable basin
27% is the highest that I wouldn't call a stretch
finite plank
my a2c group reached 23% before prismatic
killed after third cycle of faith and banished glory while still being casted
devout totem
What's the ideal % for e11s before prismastic?
Ideally 24% to 25%, any number higher than that might lead to an enrage
foggy latch
28% is way too much
turbid canopy
at the minimal avg dps to meet enrage requirements
if the boss isnt at 28% hp at prismatic. it wont die
unless the dps goes over average during cycles and makes up for being behind
devout totem
^healers dps drops alot during cycles, but the pot is up roughly before prismatic, so depends if u can have enough burst dmg b4 first cycles
But mostly u wont
devout totem
After, my bad