#endgame-lounge | Final Fantasy XIV | Page 507

wheat marsh Dec 21, 2020, 12:50 AM

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got everything to 80, ninja and monk easily the worst to perform

subtle marsh Dec 21, 2020, 1:33 AM

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With the monk update it should be more user friendly.

wheat marsh Dec 21, 2020, 1:36 AM

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still feel that with monk i'd need separate hotbars to just go down the line for the rotation

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still dont know the combos for the different NIN stuff

sinful brook Dec 21, 2020, 1:38 AM

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I think the problem there is treating the monk gcds as separate combos

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I'd personally split them between flank and rear

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And thats it

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The idea of monk is yes or no

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Have leaden fist? Bootshine. Have twin snakes? True strike. Have demolish? Snap punch

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Thats really all it is

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But that can be overwhelming to process in real time until it becomes muscle memory

wheat marsh Dec 21, 2020, 1:40 AM

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pretty certain i just set up the 6 and went down the line. but i think i'd need more for the optimal rotation

sinful brook Dec 21, 2020, 1:41 AM

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Thats the thing right going down the line is incorrect

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Its not rear rear rear flank flank flank

stable basin Dec 21, 2020, 1:42 AM

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Dividing MNK skills by positional on my bars confuses me cuz they serve different roles
Dividing MNK skills by role on my bars confuses me cuz they have different positionals

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pphands

wheat marsh Dec 21, 2020, 1:42 AM

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i meant for what seemed to combo into each other

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i think it was RRF-FFR?

sinful brook Dec 21, 2020, 1:43 AM

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Not always that either lmao

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But that is part of the pattern

wheat marsh Dec 21, 2020, 1:43 AM

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yeah it was enough to keep up the buffs, but like i said i doubt it was optimal

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i'd need to just have the full rotation on hotbar combos if i wanted monk's optimal rotation

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still dont know NIN's ground DoT AoE spell XD barely remember the DPS combos

sinful brook Dec 21, 2020, 1:53 AM

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All you need to know for ninja is it doesn't matter what mudra you start on

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But matters what you end on

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And press the mudras no more than once each in a combo

steady pebble Dec 21, 2020, 1:55 AM

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for me, personally, its easier to think of it in terms of 1-2-3 (or q-e-r since thats what i have those bound to)

wheat marsh Dec 21, 2020, 1:56 AM

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idk i tried but it just didn't really stick

stable basin Dec 21, 2020, 1:56 AM

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quas wex exort for speedy buff

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exort wex quas for trick attack splashy

steady pebble Dec 21, 2020, 1:56 AM

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but i also dont like playing nin cos of mudras either

undone tide Dec 21, 2020, 1:57 AM

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pile is that english

steady pebble Dec 21, 2020, 1:57 AM

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because despite doing that, i still flubb them a lot

wheat marsh Dec 21, 2020, 1:57 AM

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and im not allowed to play SAM

undone tide Dec 21, 2020, 1:57 AM

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SAM is quite ezpz

wheat marsh Dec 21, 2020, 1:57 AM

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XD i think I applied the DoT about 5 times leveling it

steady pebble Dec 21, 2020, 1:58 AM

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tbh a lot of this just comes down to practice

undone tide Dec 21, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Go to jail

steady pebble Dec 21, 2020, 1:58 AM

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and muscle memory

undone tide Dec 21, 2020, 1:58 AM

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That's where you belong

wheat marsh Dec 21, 2020, 1:58 AM

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(and then it was because i misclicked XD)

undone tide Dec 21, 2020, 1:58 AM

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I've practiced basically every job's rotation a million times

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Although I haven't used them all in savage so my knowledge of them is still entry level ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

wheat marsh Dec 21, 2020, 1:59 AM

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i will say, leveling doesn't help when you jump from current level stuff down 20-30 levels and lose half the job stuff

undone tide Dec 21, 2020, 1:59 AM

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Just don't do roulettes 4head

subtle marsh Dec 21, 2020, 2:02 AM

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I loved invoker support

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wex exort

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pwned

wheat marsh Dec 21, 2020, 2:03 AM

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DRG and SMN just seemed to click more with me

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i can maybe red mage, though its a bit awkward, not a big fan of ranged DPS, though definitely dancer first, them MCH. BRD can remain in the utensil drawer

wheat marsh Dec 21, 2020, 2:31 AM

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after playing SMN and WHM before the reworks, its hard to play black mage

stable basin Dec 21, 2020, 2:51 AM

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I put my monk as RRR-FFF-A(oe)AA (i havent rly touched savage w it)

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Cuz i use an mmo mouse for it so i just move up and down depending on which one im pressing

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Sam hurts my brain

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Ninja is nice once you learn each mudra

stable basin Dec 21, 2020, 3:51 AM

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How much is not having 530 gonna fuck me over in e12

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Cuz i wanna clear asap but my roll luck is awful

quick verge Dec 21, 2020, 3:52 AM

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you only need i510 to clear e12s

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preferably have an emerald weapon

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and some tome gear at this point

stable basin Dec 21, 2020, 4:21 AM

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I see

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Well best of luck to me

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Hopefully i can clear before New year's

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good luck

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I'm sure some people have cleared in PF but I'm just now starting to even see door clear parties

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My friend has cleared doors multiple times

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I think he was trying for a clear tonight

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But its less Pf, more "we met in PF and now we're a temp static to clear 12"

simple sky Dec 21, 2020, 4:29 AM

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find not shit people and attach yoruselves to them

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PF survival tactic

stable basin Dec 21, 2020, 4:29 AM

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Trueee

foggy latch Dec 21, 2020, 6:43 AM

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idk how brd is soo much powerful here than dnc

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wheat marsh Dec 21, 2020, 9:01 AM

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are there that many BLM that have cleared to have most total damage in party and 4th rDPS still be a grey parse?

foggy latch Dec 21, 2020, 10:37 AM

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19500 is low by e12s standard

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for now

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due not many clears

night kernel Dec 21, 2020, 2:11 PM

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Item level isn't even 500, any advice to get a better item level that doesn't cost too much as i'm broke

quick verge Dec 21, 2020, 2:11 PM

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run eden's promise normal

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buy revelation tomestone gear each week for your lowest ilvl slot

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also buy allegory tomestone gear for your lowest ilvl slots when possible

night kernel Dec 21, 2020, 2:15 PM

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Allegory is at level 490 or so, I am at 490

quick verge Dec 21, 2020, 2:16 PM

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run eden's promise normal, get gear, replace current gear
can run puppets bunker and copied factory to exchange coins to augment allegory tome gear to i500

night kernel Dec 21, 2020, 2:17 PM

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I'll try to get 510

patent fossil Dec 21, 2020, 5:05 PM

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asked my msq group to "tell me" during prateorium but no one responded "FOR WHOM DO YOU FIGHT?"

finite plank Dec 21, 2020, 8:37 PM

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thanks to the advice, to never double weave assassinate, I got better TA windows

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except for the one where someone suggested not to use DWAD with TA

steep falcon Dec 21, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Huh

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NightSpeechless

finite plank Dec 21, 2020, 8:41 PM

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I've got an issue I encountered while progging, or with high latency if it happens again.
If I do put DWAD as a separate ogcd, it drifted after each TA, eventually overlapping with TCJ, I thought I'd just DWAD and then TCJ, but meisui then gets delayed

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I managed to fit 3 bhavacakra's into a TA window at the cost of assassinate not being inside by accident

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another issue is accidentally letting TA drift because my GCD's about to refresh

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I'm not sure if I want to risk clipping by having TA come out so late, how strict should this be? I had this happen sometimes while thinking it's fine after the remark of "should always get TA out" while fighting against my want to have it be under a comfortable gcd.

foggy latch Dec 21, 2020, 10:27 PM

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ya know what fuck e12s p2

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especially triple apo fuck that mech

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7% enrage

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after 8 hours of raiding

subtle bone Dec 21, 2020, 10:37 PM

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EmoteBongoSob

nova socket Dec 21, 2020, 10:58 PM

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Just do the mechanic worry

stable basin Dec 22, 2020, 12:04 AM

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@foggy latch "I can see us oneshotting that mechanic"

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LMAOO

topaz estuary Dec 22, 2020, 12:47 AM

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What normal raid drops the Gauntlets of Lost antiquity?

quick verge Dec 22, 2020, 12:48 AM

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!faq edenloot

storm frostBOT Dec 22, 2020, 12:48 AM

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Eden raids normal mode drop table

quick verge Dec 22, 2020, 12:48 AM

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e10, 11, 12

topaz estuary Dec 22, 2020, 12:48 AM

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thank you

stable basin Dec 22, 2020, 12:51 AM

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e12 yeshoney

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got to junction titan

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i hope the junctions are the most intensive healing parts of p1...

subtle bone Dec 22, 2020, 12:57 AM

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shouldnt have too many issues after junctions

stable basin Dec 22, 2020, 1:30 AM

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yeah

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took a while to find a way to heal comfortably through it

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still working out titan

foggy latch Dec 22, 2020, 6:50 AM

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week 3 clear is it omg rip extra wep or 2

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and xmas crap so idk how many days we going even ugh

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and if we didnt clear e12s then good rip

subtle marsh Dec 22, 2020, 6:51 AM

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If you're this miserable quit and find someone else to gripe to about how bad your last static was and how much time you wasted.

foggy latch Dec 22, 2020, 6:56 AM

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????

undone tide Dec 22, 2020, 7:01 AM

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What e10s PF strats should I know about

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I see kachi around but I'm pretty sure it's shit uptime?

foggy latch Dec 22, 2020, 7:04 AM

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well just do it

undone tide Dec 22, 2020, 7:04 AM

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muh uptime

foggy latch Dec 22, 2020, 7:04 AM

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wait til ppl skip the voidgates

undone tide Dec 22, 2020, 7:05 AM

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but like

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muh parse

foggy latch Dec 22, 2020, 7:05 AM

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dude everyone did it in early weeks

undone tide Dec 22, 2020, 7:05 AM

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actually wait lemme look at the e10s timeline

foggy latch Dec 22, 2020, 7:05 AM

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rest of strats require galaxybrain shit u dont need to waste your time on

subtle marsh Dec 22, 2020, 7:06 AM

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Who gives a shit about your shitty parse. If you can't clear your parse means nothing.

foggy latch Dec 22, 2020, 7:06 AM

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deal with it for now

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then skip

undone tide Dec 22, 2020, 7:07 AM

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Also if everyone did it in the early weeks why are there consistently 15 prog parties on it every night

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Also I would've done it earlier if i had spent much less time on e9s

subtle marsh Dec 22, 2020, 7:08 AM

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Because there are still millions of other people probably playing this game

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And of that thousands

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Do savage

foggy latch Dec 22, 2020, 7:10 AM

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not everyone cleared e10s week 1/2

undone tide Dec 22, 2020, 7:10 AM

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ponder

foggy latch Dec 22, 2020, 7:11 AM

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clear takes priority atm

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do safe strats

undone tide Dec 22, 2020, 7:11 AM

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I'm joking about the parse, don't actually care about my logs that much

foggy latch Dec 22, 2020, 7:11 AM

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dps check in e10s is joke

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even if entire party got dmg down twice

undone tide Dec 22, 2020, 7:11 AM

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If I cared more I wouldn't have

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foggy latch Dec 22, 2020, 7:12 AM

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u got time to clear it be4 enrage

undone tide Dec 22, 2020, 7:12 AM

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E10S is a great fight tbh, real fun

foggy latch Dec 22, 2020, 7:12 AM

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100%

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yoshisrsly

nova socket Dec 22, 2020, 7:12 AM

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Just do xenos week1 strat

undone tide Dec 22, 2020, 7:12 AM

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titangrin

foggy latch Dec 22, 2020, 7:13 AM

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is that dmg down uptime?

nova socket Dec 22, 2020, 7:13 AM

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Full uptime for melees

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And really braindead to do

foggy latch Dec 22, 2020, 7:13 AM

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no i meant single

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we did xeno uptime this week

undone tide Dec 22, 2020, 7:13 AM

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would like to note, the 4 uptime run was somehow almost a 20

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which is pepega

foggy latch Dec 22, 2020, 7:14 AM

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pretty easy

undone tide Dec 22, 2020, 7:14 AM

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thought it would be 10

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but PLD players are small brain, apparently

nova socket Dec 22, 2020, 7:14 AM

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We did it day1 and didn't fail it once after we saw it, you have to be special to do so

foggy latch Dec 22, 2020, 7:14 AM

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we played it safe week 1

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and completely blind

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took us 3 hours to figure out anti air and wide thingy

nova socket Dec 22, 2020, 7:15 AM

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3 hours

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WorryFrog

undone tide Dec 22, 2020, 7:15 AM

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that's pepega

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but i think 40 hours on e9s before clear is more pepega

uncut gate Dec 22, 2020, 7:20 AM

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40h on e9s?

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this some elite primal raider stuff?

foggy latch Dec 22, 2020, 7:21 AM

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if in pf i wouldnt be surprised

shadow timber Dec 22, 2020, 7:24 AM

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What is currently one of the harder trials?

stiff steppe Dec 22, 2020, 7:24 AM

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the most recent one, probably

subtle marsh Dec 22, 2020, 7:24 AM

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Not sure what kind of pf you're getting but mine are fine. FroggyPoggers

shadow timber Dec 22, 2020, 7:24 AM

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Which one is that @stiff steppe

stiff steppe Dec 22, 2020, 7:24 AM

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Emerald Weapon

shadow timber Dec 22, 2020, 7:24 AM

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Thanks!

nova socket Dec 22, 2020, 7:28 AM

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Calling emerald hard is very much a stretch

undone tide Dec 22, 2020, 7:28 AM

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subtle marsh Not sure what kind of pf you're getting but mine are fine. <:FroggyPoggers:45155...

basically what if you took clear parties but you turned them into tiles prog for 35 hours (i got to post tiles after hour 5 and went to do clear runs from then)

subtle marsh Dec 22, 2020, 7:28 AM

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Good thing I don't need to

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Because I only need pf for practice.

nova socket Dec 22, 2020, 7:29 AM

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Only pf cus I'm insane

undone tide Dec 22, 2020, 7:29 AM

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Sanity not required from this point on

nova socket Dec 22, 2020, 7:29 AM

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PFing after doing three full clears on Saturday

undone tide Dec 22, 2020, 7:32 AM

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Hopefully gonna not get fucked by my internet tomorrow during reclear

stable basin Dec 22, 2020, 2:30 PM

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11 reclear is gonna lowkey kick my ass

lyric summit Dec 22, 2020, 2:51 PM

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i like 11 it's chill until cycles

subtle bone Dec 22, 2020, 2:58 PM

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11s = sleep

nova socket Dec 22, 2020, 4:08 PM

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11 is like an extreme trial lol

daring dome Dec 22, 2020, 5:37 PM

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its a fucking pain to heal

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glad its an extreme trial for the dps though

high ether Dec 22, 2020, 6:41 PM

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damn, can't get ACT to pick up on my numbers anymore

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even though it's connected

quick verge Dec 22, 2020, 6:42 PM

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new patch

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broke act

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wait for update

high ether Dec 22, 2020, 6:44 PM

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oh that is what it is

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I completely forgot there was maint today

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damn, and we have raid in a little over an hour

subtle bone Dec 22, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Just pretend everything crit and youre doing big damages lol

nova socket Dec 22, 2020, 6:48 PM

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you don't need act to raid anyways

subtle marsh Dec 22, 2020, 7:02 PM

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If you want a decent static in the future, you kinda do.

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Because they're more than likely gonna request it.

undone tide Dec 22, 2020, 7:07 PM

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I'm on ps4 so i just rely on party finder to post my logs

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Most good groups in PF will have it up

sinful brook Dec 22, 2020, 7:35 PM

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No what niko means is that act shouldn't be whats preventing you from clearing a fight you've done already

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Its literally for resume padding

subtle marsh Dec 22, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Oooh

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I see.

sinful brook Dec 22, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Not really mega necessary to use act to gauge the progress of the fight but it do be nice to have all the data collated during prog

subtle marsh Dec 22, 2020, 7:41 PM

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I see I see.

iron field Dec 22, 2020, 8:25 PM

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ayo someone just told me for e9s uptime is the same strat as happy? is this true?

stable basin Dec 22, 2020, 8:27 PM

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yeah

iron field Dec 22, 2020, 8:27 PM

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wow thats not confusing at all

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thanks

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:D

stable basin Dec 22, 2020, 8:31 PM

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I mean, unless there's some other strat people are calling uptime

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They might mean uhh rin? strat

foggy latch Dec 22, 2020, 9:27 PM

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fkn finally https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ep3yzF3WMAM7hRA?format=jpg&name=large

quick verge Dec 22, 2020, 9:45 PM

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what weapon dropped

foggy latch Dec 22, 2020, 9:46 PM

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whm

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blm took coffer

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ninja took chest

stable basin Dec 22, 2020, 10:56 PM

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grat

tough gorge Dec 22, 2020, 10:59 PM

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for the 2nd rejuvenating balm on e9s, is it always the opposite of the first one?
i.e. 1st is N/S safe, 2nd is E/W safe

finite plank Dec 22, 2020, 11:00 PM

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this isn't for true north, right?

tough gorge Dec 22, 2020, 11:00 PM

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wdym

finite plank Dec 22, 2020, 11:01 PM

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I'd say yes, but I actually never bothered to pay attention to it

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It's one of those easy mechanics that I go auto pilot on

tough gorge Dec 22, 2020, 11:02 PM

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yeah tbh with the 2nd rejuvenating balm there's not much going on so a lot of time to go to position

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I've just been thinking if that's the case bc I looked at 2 clears, 1 from ffxivmomo and 1 from ilya to be sure

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1st was e/w safe, 2nd was n/s safe on both videos, altho that's too small a sample size

finite plank Dec 22, 2020, 11:05 PM

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nope

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my clear run had both rejunevating balms safe zone be at east and west

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tough gorge Dec 22, 2020, 11:06 PM

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interesting

finite plank Dec 22, 2020, 11:09 PM

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you can somehow live group lasers by having tactician, over 130k health as a melee and a bit of succor shields

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sharp depot Dec 22, 2020, 11:16 PM

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Is ACT working yet?

steep falcon Dec 22, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Huh what is that puddle positions

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NightSpeechless

finite plank Dec 22, 2020, 11:46 PM

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kind of wanted cardinal puddles to be the norm but that didn't happen

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but not my problem when I can shukuchi through puddles and be fine

dull radish Dec 22, 2020, 11:52 PM

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you uh, shouldn't

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like any movement skill, you're moving from starting position to ending position in a straight line

stable basin Dec 22, 2020, 11:52 PM

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varies by dc

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primal is mostly mith

dull radish Dec 22, 2020, 11:52 PM

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and the game can snapshot you within the AoE

finite plank Dec 22, 2020, 11:53 PM

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done it by accident, expected death but nothing happened

dull radish Dec 22, 2020, 11:53 PM

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you got lucky

finite plank Dec 22, 2020, 11:53 PM

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many times

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during prog

dull radish Dec 22, 2020, 11:53 PM

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if you don't get lucky you get a tick of damage that does most of your health in a single tick

undone tide Dec 22, 2020, 11:54 PM

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I'm trying to figure out how you can cheese kb for gcds on mith

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Apparently pop arms and sprint to your spot?

stable basin Dec 22, 2020, 11:55 PM

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cheese mith strat by joining a pt with happy brambles in description

undone tide Dec 22, 2020, 11:55 PM

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4head

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I would if they existed pile

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playdead

subtle marsh Dec 22, 2020, 11:56 PM

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or maybe get good and don't blame outside problems for your failure.

stable basin Dec 22, 2020, 11:56 PM

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🤔

subtle marsh Dec 22, 2020, 11:56 PM

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I'm dead serious when I say that pf happy brambles isn't as bad as people say it is because I've consistently had people get consistently past brambles just by pf.

dull radish Dec 22, 2020, 11:57 PM

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the response there indicated to join a PF with happy brambles instead of mith, if you want more GCDs compared to mith

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since mith is just dumb and has you putting them on the wall because dumb

subtle marsh Dec 22, 2020, 11:58 PM

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I will admit my fault in misreading/misunderstanding.

finite plank Dec 22, 2020, 11:59 PM

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what's happy brambles and mith

stable basin Dec 22, 2020, 11:59 PM

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Happy is in pairs max melee on intercards

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mith is get knocked back and place in pairs on cards at the wall

undone tide Dec 23, 2020, 12:05 AM

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loure just immediately hops on my back and tears it to pieces for no reason so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

subtle marsh Dec 23, 2020, 12:06 AM

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Maybe because majority of the time you're saying dumb shit

quick verge Dec 23, 2020, 12:06 AM

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cut the shit

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i get you don't like wol but this isn't the place for it

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it's annoying

subtle marsh Dec 23, 2020, 12:06 AM

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I already apologized what more do you want?

finite plank Dec 23, 2020, 12:07 AM

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stable basin mith is get knocked back and place in pairs on cards at the wall

so... as d1/d2, get kb, move all the way to south cardinal and place seeds?

undone tide Dec 23, 2020, 12:07 AM

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dumb shits just on brand for me

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titangrin

stable basin Dec 23, 2020, 12:08 AM

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finite plank so... as d1/d2, get kb, move all the way to south cardinal and place seeds?

yup

finite plank Dec 23, 2020, 12:08 AM

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that sounds wasteful but I can imagine it makes towers very simple

stable basin Dec 23, 2020, 12:08 AM

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yeah

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I don't mind mith strat existing for ppl who just want clears

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But also having an uptime strat in pf for a mech that is not at all difficult is nice

finite plank Dec 23, 2020, 12:09 AM

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still better than putting melee at outer tiles for panel

stable basin Dec 23, 2020, 12:09 AM

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haha

undone tide Dec 23, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Never joining a 7/8 static PF again

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These guys don't know shit about what pf does

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This guy actually wants me to swap to MT till next buster?

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fucking why

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Literally every pf i join shirks immediately after buster

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e9s

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I don't understand what these guys are doing tbh they're doing happy and that's all i caught

stable basin Dec 23, 2020, 3:15 AM

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tbh I'm surprised to hear that pf swaps back

undone tide Dec 23, 2020, 3:19 AM

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I left after first pull

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There was so much bullshit going on

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They told me im going here, but then they yell at me for going there?

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DRK asks me why I have aggro when he fucking died

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They ask me why I'm at south when I have aggro even the DRK was standing north

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This is some bullshit

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people putting the brambles way too close to boss

high ether Dec 23, 2020, 3:27 AM

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not just tanking it with an invuln

undone tide Dec 23, 2020, 3:38 AM

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While I do think invulning it is kinda dumb it's best for pf

steep falcon Dec 23, 2020, 4:12 AM

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7/8 Static means they developed their own way to do the fight, so it is not usual PF strat most of the time

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NightShrug

foggy latch Dec 23, 2020, 6:43 AM

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7/8 statics have usually highest clear rate

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rarely i meet statics worse than pf

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though joining 7/8 statics means

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you need to be prepared to adjust to their stuff

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if you dont have what it takes to join said groups then dont

undone tide Dec 23, 2020, 6:49 AM

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Yeah but a lot of the shit they were doing was stupid and they didn't have the skill to boot.

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Plus I have no desire to raid with people gaslighting me

foggy latch Dec 23, 2020, 6:56 AM

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i would say im missing context

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so i cant judge who is on the wrong here

undone tide Dec 23, 2020, 7:01 AM

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I'll give some context in a bit, busy.

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So, a couple examples

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Guy says I'm left side for Wide/Anti. Nobody objects. Once we get there, co tank yells at me saying I'm at the wrong side.

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Same DRK says once we swap for TB, I'm MT until next TB. Then, he invulns first tb and then once we get to second tb he asks me why i have aggro

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Same DRK walks THROUGH ME while I have aggro and tb is about to go off. Then asks me why I moved

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After he died, he gets ressed, and he and someone else asks me why I have aggro and why the boss is facing south

devout totem Dec 23, 2020, 7:10 AM

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shirk to h1
Remove tank stance

uncut gate Dec 23, 2020, 7:10 AM

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left side could be diff between the relative facing

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i have some people who does the left/right looking at boss, other uses the boss face instead

undone tide Dec 23, 2020, 7:11 AM

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Boss relative was in PF

devout totem Dec 23, 2020, 7:11 AM

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Just clarify with them, isit true north or boss relative

uncut gate Dec 23, 2020, 7:11 AM

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how is the boss relative is the issue

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seems obvious to me relative boss is relative to how the boss is facing, but like i said i've party otherwise

undone tide Dec 23, 2020, 7:12 AM

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Yeah but I was where they told me to go

devout totem Dec 23, 2020, 7:12 AM

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Some ppl are just shitty

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I was once blamed for not healing the tank when the DRK claimed to invul

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Which she died to the TB immediately

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Just tyfp and leave whenever u dun feel comfortable lol

thorn plaza Dec 23, 2020, 8:07 AM

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I've been considering trying the savage raids, but I don't have a static, and seeing how pf seems to struggle with a simple mechanic like fundamental synergy from O12S unsync I'd be surprised if any sort of progress would be made past the first mechanic

foggy latch Dec 23, 2020, 8:12 AM

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most ppl who do o12s now are ppl who are bad at mechs and wanting the glams and to clear they through more gear at mechs to cheese fuck ups

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so cant really compare

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its bad in pf but not as bad as u made it out

thorn plaza Dec 23, 2020, 8:13 AM

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I'm doing it mainly cause I'm really late to the party and I really really want the Omega mount

foggy latch Dec 23, 2020, 8:14 AM

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you can tell that they are bad at o12s

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because a strat callled bye bye world became a thing

thorn plaza Dec 23, 2020, 8:15 AM

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Yeah

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I try using it because I haven't really seen any decent explanation of Hello World, but then again, I haven't actually seen it legit other than in diagrams

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Also mainly because in 5 parties

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Only 1 made it to phase 2

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And that party only made it to hello world 1 twice

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The amount of times people needed to explain how patch worked

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Yet we still wiped on it

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Over and over and over

stable basin Dec 23, 2020, 8:18 AM

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this is how ppl learned hello world back in the day https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1d6pbEYqVx2jclVyvll8-CEMLozcYtk-mm_KyBSNf158/edit

Google Docs

Unreal Hello World

Ref: https://youtu.be/d9msqyVnTng You should do this for both HW1 and HW2, there just won't be any towers or rot the first time (It gives you good practice for the movement). A B C D 1 2 Arena

thorn plaza Dec 23, 2020, 8:18 AM

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Actually mind boggling

stable basin Dec 23, 2020, 8:19 AM

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except we did that rotated 180

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and put tank in center tower/defamation

foggy latch Dec 23, 2020, 8:20 AM

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patch used to be more punishing back then

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now u can eat 4 stacks and still not die

stable basin Dec 23, 2020, 8:21 AM

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some farm groups purposely pop them in pairs now

foggy latch Dec 23, 2020, 8:22 AM

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hello world 1 is easy

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if you figure out how debuffs worked

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cause "if u got this go to X and if u got this go to Y" is just cryptic explaining

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at least to me

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i dont want go there and go there explaining

thorn plaza Dec 23, 2020, 8:25 AM

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You can't eat 4 stacks, if that was the case then fucking up patch would be physically impossible

foggy latch Dec 23, 2020, 8:25 AM

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i want why i go there

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huh?

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ppl fuck up patch all the time

thorn plaza Dec 23, 2020, 8:26 AM

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Yeah

foggy latch Dec 23, 2020, 8:26 AM

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back then only 2 stacks at a time

thorn plaza Dec 23, 2020, 8:26 AM

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Iirc 4 tethers go out

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You pop close ones first

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Wait for magic vuln to go away

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Then

foggy latch Dec 23, 2020, 8:26 AM

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now u can do 4

thorn plaza Dec 23, 2020, 8:26 AM

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You pop far ones

foggy latch Dec 23, 2020, 8:26 AM

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and never fear of dying

thorn plaza Dec 23, 2020, 8:27 AM

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Idk maybe you can now take it in 5.4 but last patch popping all 4 at once was instant death

foggy latch Dec 23, 2020, 8:27 AM

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not all 4

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4 stacks

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which is 2 tethers popping up

thorn plaza Dec 23, 2020, 8:27 AM

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Ah

foggy latch Dec 23, 2020, 8:27 AM

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in same time

thorn plaza Dec 23, 2020, 8:28 AM

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I thought the tethers only gave 1 stack per

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My bad then.

foggy latch Dec 23, 2020, 8:28 AM

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u had to pop 1 tether

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back then at a time

thorn plaza Dec 23, 2020, 8:28 AM

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Yeah

foggy latch Dec 23, 2020, 8:28 AM

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popping 2 in instant wipe

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now popping 2 is normal

thorn plaza Dec 23, 2020, 8:28 AM

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Yeah

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I have a question, do defamation blasts from hello world go through stuff like Manaward?

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Or would it be able to block it

stable basin Dec 23, 2020, 8:31 AM

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you can't block the debuff

thorn plaza Dec 23, 2020, 8:32 AM

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Not the debuff

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But the damage

stable basin Dec 23, 2020, 8:32 AM

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who cares about the dmg

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it just does enough to make healers have to do something at i400

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unless they got a critlo haha

thorn plaza Dec 23, 2020, 8:33 AM

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Me, in the event of attempting to do hello world legit and inevitably fucking something up, simply because I do want to try it legit unsync.

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The doc says it does about ~35k per blast

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So w/o Manaward an IL 510 BLM (me) might be able to take like 3 of them and maybe live

foggy latch Dec 23, 2020, 8:35 AM

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defamation does 35k?

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iirc it barely did any dmg

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only one who need healing is the tank doing the solo stack

stable basin Dec 23, 2020, 8:37 AM

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you're not getting hit by 3 defamations and living

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cuz the only way you get hit by 3 defamations is in a wipe

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if defamation hits someone who has the debuff on them their debuff explodes and does 9999999 dmg

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long stack dps would need healing at ilvl but now you have almost 3x the hp

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with echo

foggy latch Dec 23, 2020, 8:40 AM

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we had 53k hp iirc in o12s

stable basin Dec 23, 2020, 3:27 PM

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The only source of damage healers need to be aware of

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Is the dps with short stack

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They're the only one that I've seen end up around 30/40% from double stack

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Whilst everyone else sits at 80%

finite plank Dec 23, 2020, 4:35 PM

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can feint do anything against cycle of faith, thunder?

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relooking at my reclear, thought I killed the healer by accident but no

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immediately after the line thunder, the healer casted a lily on themselves and died because they didn't heal in time

quick verge Dec 23, 2020, 4:37 PM

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you can feint autos and the elemental breaks

finite plank Dec 23, 2020, 4:37 PM

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does it affect the painful thunder dot

quick verge Dec 23, 2020, 4:37 PM

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no

subtle bone Dec 23, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Mitigating burnished glory (aoe between each cycle) will reduce the bleed tick dmg

quick verge Dec 23, 2020, 4:45 PM

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melee finna mitigate burnished glory with feint and bloodbath

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let's fucking GO

subtle bone Dec 23, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Feints only good on the protean

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O u said that alrdy

finite plank Dec 23, 2020, 4:48 PM

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this was the reclear run

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subtle bone Dec 23, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Did the boss die

finite plank Dec 23, 2020, 4:50 PM

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yes

quick verge Dec 23, 2020, 4:51 PM

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no way it doesn't at that point tbh

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the remaining dps have to take 2 ticks to die

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at .2%

slow tusk Dec 24, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Anyone in JP know what A2C means in PF?

sinful brook Dec 24, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Aim to Clear

arctic oyster Dec 24, 2020, 4:35 AM

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ah yeah, E9S down finally!

stable basin Dec 24, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Congrats

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Gl on the rest :>

finite plank Dec 24, 2020, 7:40 PM

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okay, tried two e12s practice group

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what can feint try to mitigate?

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cause everything hurts

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earthen fury left me with a pip of health with food buff and healers just died after dd

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everything hurts

stable basin Dec 24, 2020, 7:46 PM

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feint the busters

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I don't think there's any other feintable physical dmg in that fight

finite plank Dec 24, 2020, 7:47 PM

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feint is up after the busters, is there really nothing i can feint?

stable basin Dec 24, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Icicles dropping/firing and chiseled daddies dropping are the only other physical damage

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And those are feintable

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Cuz they don't come from the boss

finite plank Dec 24, 2020, 7:48 PM

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so... i can feint the boss if it's being casted?

stable basin Dec 24, 2020, 7:48 PM

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It's complicated

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Sometimes you can't feint/addle/reprisal something even if it has a castbar

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Because the source is a different entity

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But if the boss is directly doing something it usually can be

finite plank Dec 24, 2020, 7:49 PM

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well, it's less work but... holy shit everything hurts

stable basin Dec 24, 2020, 7:50 PM

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yeah

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You should have tank mitigations on diamond dust/earthen fury and troub during shiva junction but other than that it's mostly just reprisal/addle raidwides and feint busters and hope your healers are good

finite plank Dec 24, 2020, 7:54 PM

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so, for plunging ice, it can be mitigated with reprisal or is it counted as a separate entity? Im gonna assume it's a separate entity and can only be mitigated with troub/shields

stable basin Dec 24, 2020, 8:50 PM

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^

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The dmg comes from the icicle entities

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same with the lions and the chiseled daddies

subtle bone Dec 24, 2020, 11:11 PM

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Pf titan junction kinda sucks

dull radish Dec 24, 2020, 11:15 PM

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I can imagine

undone tide Dec 24, 2020, 11:16 PM

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Pf kinda sucks*

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ftfy

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Idek what you're supposed to do

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I got the grasp of most mechanics watching world prog

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Except that one

stable basin Dec 24, 2020, 11:18 PM

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it's just really quick version of e4s uplift debuff puzzles

subtle bone Dec 24, 2020, 11:19 PM

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Yea that lol

stable basin Dec 24, 2020, 11:19 PM

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pretty simple, just need to be very fast going to your spot

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I literally just kept this open during prog

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undone tide Dec 24, 2020, 11:19 PM

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bold of you to assume i even played the game when gate was relevant

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caps

subtle bone Dec 24, 2020, 11:19 PM

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Even still... you can do e4s for pre reqs and gear stuff

#

Anyway

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I think pf should change the 3rd part

undone tide Dec 24, 2020, 11:20 PM

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I don't have the skill to even do protean's In TEA

subtle bone Dec 24, 2020, 11:20 PM

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Thats

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Concerning

stable basin Dec 24, 2020, 11:20 PM

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Basically, blues hit that division and all adjacent divisons, yellows and oranges both hit just the division they're in and yellow is dmg+vuln and orange is a stack

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Orange is really weird in actual mechanics though, like it's technically not a stack

subtle bone Dec 24, 2020, 11:21 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/408096275242811414/790743701675966494/titan_adjusted.png i think pf followed this

stable basin Dec 24, 2020, 11:21 PM

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But it does massive damage if there's only one on the tile

undone tide Dec 24, 2020, 11:21 PM

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I'm just exaggerating

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But what I'm trying to say is I don't know shit from e4

stable basin Dec 24, 2020, 11:22 PM

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ofc pf flips it from how my group did it wearycarby

subtle bone Dec 24, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Haha

stable basin Dec 24, 2020, 11:22 PM

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We also put yellows E/W and oranges NE/NW in first one

subtle bone Dec 24, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Yea that 3rd part can literally be made more braindead

stable basin Dec 24, 2020, 11:22 PM

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As a tank I don't really care what goes on

finite plank Dec 24, 2020, 11:37 PM

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PFs are using this

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it seems like a memory thing, so... I'll have to do it actively to remember

subtle bone Dec 24, 2020, 11:38 PM

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Not really a memory thing

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Based on your role you only have a few spots to go to

quick verge Dec 24, 2020, 11:38 PM

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you can just notepad it if you can't remember a few positions

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and just stick it in the corner of your screen

subtle bone Dec 24, 2020, 11:39 PM

#

That macro honestly sucks

#

Like the spots

finite plank Dec 24, 2020, 11:40 PM

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well, im stuck with it

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unless another macro is used

#

kind of feels like e10s

#

just without the answer not being obvious

stable basin Dec 24, 2020, 11:42 PM

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That's same spots my group does

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Except primal PF does it different :^)

finite plank Dec 24, 2020, 11:43 PM

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well, least the segregation is obvious

#

dps on east and h/t on west

stable basin Dec 24, 2020, 11:43 PM

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oh and we do second blue N/S

subtle bone Dec 24, 2020, 11:44 PM

#

Imo its more intuitive to have oranges and yellows completely static and blues filling

#

But i guess i should learn that pf way if i want to pug :(

finite plank Dec 25, 2020, 12:25 AM

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is plunging ice meant to hit me for 102k health with no debuffs?

quick verge Dec 25, 2020, 12:30 AM

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unmitigated, sounds about right

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it just hurts a lot

undone tide Dec 25, 2020, 12:33 AM

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devouring dark hitting me for 140k even with sheltron

finite plank Dec 25, 2020, 12:35 AM

#

how strong would it be if sheltron buffed parry to 50% instead of 15%

#

just a dreaming thought

quick verge Dec 25, 2020, 12:37 AM

#

what

simple sky Dec 25, 2020, 12:38 AM

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????

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block?

stable basin Dec 25, 2020, 12:38 AM

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not stronger at all cuz sheltron is block not parry :^)

quick verge Dec 25, 2020, 12:38 AM

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sheltron blocks all incoming attacks
if it was changed to parry the job would be borderline useless

undone tide Dec 25, 2020, 12:38 AM

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Is blocking actually 20% mitigation

quick verge Dec 25, 2020, 12:38 AM

#

about

undone tide Dec 25, 2020, 12:39 AM

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ok cuz I used to die when relying on shel

#

but I'm fine now

quick verge Dec 25, 2020, 12:40 AM

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was nerfed coming into shb cause having 6s of ~30% mitigation is kinda broken

simple sky Dec 25, 2020, 12:40 AM

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SB sheltron was funny

quick verge Dec 25, 2020, 12:40 AM

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sb sheltron makes me seethe thinking about it sometimes ngl

torn kindle Dec 25, 2020, 12:44 AM

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gets eaten by auto-attack so tank buster rips you apart

turbid canopy Dec 25, 2020, 3:38 AM

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what is 'line lions' referring to strat wise

#

i cant find videos referencing it

stable basin Dec 25, 2020, 3:45 AM

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It's a strat where the tether people are in a vertical line

turbid canopy Dec 25, 2020, 3:56 AM

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so facing the lion you are tethered to out into space?

#

essentially standing on top of it

stable basin Dec 25, 2020, 3:57 AM

#

no

#

you're standing in them midline of the arena

#

cant find toolbox for it rn

turbid canopy Dec 25, 2020, 4:03 AM

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i found the toolbox. makes sense.. thanks

stable basin Dec 25, 2020, 2:22 PM

#

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I use this for titan

unkempt cypress Dec 25, 2020, 3:24 PM

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what does braindead mean in the context of e11s? There are so many braindead strats my brain died and can't think

stable basin Dec 25, 2020, 3:24 PM

#

braindead is

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wait at an intercard to the light line -> once you bait puddles, move to the edge

#

and kb mitigate as lightning goes off

#

but for uptime its better to move to the middle

#

and save kbm for when boss is there

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https://clips.twitch.tv/ProtectiveHorribleStingrayNerfRedBlaster

Twitch

Narwhalic - e11s Braindead Sundered Sky Strat

Watch Narwhalic's clip titled "e11s Braindead Sundered Sky Strat"

▶ Play video

unkempt cypress Dec 25, 2020, 3:36 PM

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ohhh i didnt know there was a puddle baiting portion there

foggy latch Dec 25, 2020, 3:36 PM

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its not braindead when i have to use my brain to count the time to use anti kb

unkempt cypress Dec 25, 2020, 3:36 PM

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thanks

foggy latch Dec 25, 2020, 3:36 PM

#

yoshisrsly

stable basin Dec 25, 2020, 3:37 PM

#

pepega

#

i just run to the middle

#

since it makes more sense to save KB for when boss is actually there to hit it

finite plank Dec 25, 2020, 3:39 PM

#

it's called hobo lala in jp

#

except it's usually fire out and light in

#

and we use kb to move into the middle for melee uptime

#

i usually hit kb when thunder comes out

#

of course

#

there are some people that make it a pain

stable basin Dec 25, 2020, 3:46 PM

#

does anyone have a toolbox or video for line lion

finite plank Dec 25, 2020, 3:46 PM

#

by making a niche change

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into fire in light out

foggy latch Dec 25, 2020, 3:49 PM

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https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1ZlM-gHC_mKHS2NQ8Q-Yu2TNDPdvfIGS-_AcIeDC1XMU/edit#slide=id.gb105d26907_40_0

Google Docs

e12s slides

e12s mechanics and positioning Part 1: Knocking on the door boss but getting greeted by Eden’s Promise Broccoli

#

@stable basin

#

seal of oricalcus

stable basin Dec 25, 2020, 3:51 PM

#

so little lion ppl never move

#

except for mechs of course

#

uptime lions = line lion?

foggy latch Dec 25, 2020, 3:54 PM

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hmm?

#

litte lion guys dont move

#

baited big lions are done by swaps

#

either all dps or tanks/healers

#

order is H T H

stable basin Dec 25, 2020, 3:56 PM

#

right

foggy latch Dec 25, 2020, 3:56 PM

#

or R M R

undone tide Dec 26, 2020, 9:52 PM

#

can anyone explain void Amp to me

daring dome Dec 26, 2020, 9:55 PM

#

undone tide can anyone explain void Amp to me

everything about it or just one part specifically

undone tide Dec 26, 2020, 9:55 PM

#

everything

daring dome Dec 26, 2020, 9:55 PM

#

the actual cast spawns towers around the arena that 2 people have to stand in

undone tide Dec 26, 2020, 9:55 PM

#

like vg1

daring dome Dec 26, 2020, 9:56 PM

#

the pitch bog (puddle) that you drop can spawn a shadow

#

if yiu walk into it

#

the shadow acts functionally like a person

#

there are 8 towers that spawn meaning there have to be 8 shadows in the towers to reach the 16 people requirement

undone tide Dec 26, 2020, 9:57 PM

#

So you place the bogs on the intercards, where the VGs appear?

daring dome Dec 26, 2020, 9:57 PM

#

no

#

well

#

sometimes

#

1 sec

#

so a bit after he casts voidgate amp he does a shadowkeeper cast

undone tide Dec 26, 2020, 9:58 PM

#

Ah ok

daring dome Dec 26, 2020, 9:58 PM

#

the one he does during the first mechanic with the shadows

#

that teleports a shadow behind you

#

they do a cleave a short bit after teleporting

#

so you have to teleport the shadows into a tower

#

thing is there are several strats on how to deal with it and i dont know how primal pf does it

dull radish Dec 26, 2020, 9:59 PM

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the initial bog placement itself doesn't matter too much as long as they're not in the way, and you're not going to be standing near where that initial clone will spawn after grabbing it

undone tide Dec 26, 2020, 9:59 PM

#

Kachi is most popular

#

Here, at least

daring dome Dec 26, 2020, 9:59 PM

#

i forgot what that was but you should be able to understand whats going on if you watch a video of the mechanic

#

anyway the towers keep going

#

after the first set of 8 towers there another 4

#

what will happen is that you will drop an aoe under your feet after a few seconds when the first towers resolve

#

and if that hits a shadow

#

the person tethered to that shadow will die

undone tide Dec 26, 2020, 10:01 PM

#

oh god

daring dome Dec 26, 2020, 10:01 PM

#

shortly after the aoe goes off your shadows will disappear and you will get a tether that requires you to be near your partner

undone tide Dec 26, 2020, 10:01 PM

#

ok

daring dome Dec 26, 2020, 10:01 PM

#

meaning you have to stand in a tower with the person youre tethered to

dull radish Dec 26, 2020, 10:01 PM

#

kachi is the one where you spawn clones on intercardinals and then everyone stands in the close towers, so you don't have to worry about hitting clones with those AoEs

daring dome Dec 26, 2020, 10:02 PM

#

the good thing is you can fail 2 towers before this mechanic kills everyone with doom

undone tide Dec 26, 2020, 10:02 PM

#

Alright

#

Doesn't sound too hard

daring dome Dec 26, 2020, 10:02 PM

#

its quite simple if everyone follows the strat yea

#

keep in mind failing a tower will give you dmg down

wheat marsh Dec 26, 2020, 10:03 PM

#

how long did it take for world first clear on e10s?

undone tide Dec 26, 2020, 10:03 PM

#

Gonna a2c tonight then

#

4 hours iirc

daring dome Dec 26, 2020, 10:03 PM

#

ywah something like that

wheat marsh Dec 26, 2020, 10:03 PM

#

4 hours first pull to clear?

daring dome Dec 26, 2020, 10:03 PM

#

no

#

e9s + e10s

#

im pretty sure

undone tide Dec 26, 2020, 10:03 PM

#

Cloud was 2~ hours

quick verge Dec 26, 2020, 10:03 PM

#

https://mogtalk.org/edens-promise/

MogTalk

Frosty

5.4 Eden’s Promise (Savage) – World Race

wheat marsh Dec 26, 2020, 10:03 PM

#

i meant specifically first pull to clear

undone tide Dec 26, 2020, 10:03 PM

#

I think

daring dome Dec 26, 2020, 10:04 PM

#

e10s isnt that hard with a guide

#

and its gonna get easier cause people will release lifehacks on how to deal with being directionally challenged

#

and the dps check is pretty lax so you can eat even 2 dmg downs afaik

undone tide Dec 26, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Just stop being directionally challenged 4head

quick verge Dec 26, 2020, 10:06 PM

#

you can eat a lot of damage downs if your party is competent*

wheat marsh Dec 26, 2020, 10:06 PM

#

i'm not competent XD

quick verge Dec 26, 2020, 10:06 PM

#

pugs are

#

very special :)

undone tide Dec 26, 2020, 10:07 PM

#

dad told me the same thing

#

so I guess I am special

wheat marsh Dec 26, 2020, 10:07 PM

#

o11n apparently didn't teach SE people don't do well with left-right AoEs

#

instead they double down and then add multiple directions of the boss not just 180 but 90 and/or 270 degrees

#

XD

#

and front/back XD

#

hmmm so looks like o ne group got it in 3ish hours?

undone tide Dec 26, 2020, 10:27 PM

#

E10S is just a lot of shit from normal

wheat marsh Dec 26, 2020, 10:36 PM

#

theres way more XD

finite plank Dec 27, 2020, 12:05 AM

#

there's orbs

#

some void gates

#

shadow mechanics

steep falcon Dec 27, 2020, 12:23 AM

#

Tankbuster actually hurts uhh, there is a few new shadows, like shadows that cleaves, shadows that are tethered to you, yeah.

#

NightSpeechless

undone tide Dec 27, 2020, 12:24 AM

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Not much new tbh.

stable basin Dec 27, 2020, 1:07 AM

#

ive finally seen enrage

#

and may i say

#

that untargetable

#

dirty

#

it was 15%

#

but you never know

#

Kappa

undone tide Dec 27, 2020, 1:14 AM

#

what do you need to clean up

#

lions?

stable basin Dec 27, 2020, 1:16 AM

#

yea

#

lions and shiva are the biggest problems

#

understandably

#

lion is ... positioning?

#

pr healing

quick verge Dec 27, 2020, 1:24 AM

#

there isn’t much healing that needs to be done for lions

#

throwing out a heal in the center around the time the kb happens is sufficient

stable basin Dec 27, 2020, 1:26 AM

#

ik

#

i did recite indom for it

dull radish Dec 27, 2020, 1:26 AM

#

it'd be so much less cozy if it needed more healing

stable basin Dec 27, 2020, 1:26 AM

#

i guess its positioning then

#

or maybe puddles

dull radish Dec 27, 2020, 1:27 AM

#

I'm imagining if it needed the same amount as shiva

#

whew

stable basin Dec 27, 2020, 1:27 AM

#

i think ppl were getting clipped in shiva

#

cuz the healing was fine

#

we nearly had it down

#

titan was great (except for the pitiful heals going out after wasting stuff on shiva)

#

numbers was great

#

post-lions was also good

#

i need more piety though sweats

dull radish Dec 27, 2020, 1:32 AM

#

if we have any issues on shiva it's people missing heals/mitigation, or the NIN forgetting/mistiming arm's length haha

stable basin Dec 27, 2020, 1:33 AM

#

lmfao

#

but yeah

#

ill analyse the logs and figure out what was going on

#

and get some more piety on deck

quick verge Dec 27, 2020, 1:35 AM

#

people prob not standing in the correct spot

#

and dying as a result

stable basin Dec 27, 2020, 1:38 AM

#

tbh

tough gorge Dec 27, 2020, 5:00 PM

#

for 2nd rejuvenating balm in e9s, how are you supposed to exactly position everyone? because I feel like there's not enough time to get everyone to pairs or clock positions

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I can't find a single video showing off 2nd rejuvenating balm with clock, they always show off pairs

quick verge Dec 27, 2020, 5:03 PM

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go to the side closest to your clock position

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so like if your clock is ne

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then you sit at the relative north safe zone

tough gorge Dec 27, 2020, 5:03 PM

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I'm SE
but what about others like H1 and OT

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subtle bone Dec 27, 2020, 5:04 PM

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They can make it from either safe zone

quick verge Dec 27, 2020, 5:04 PM

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pop sprint if they have to, there's enough time to walk there anyway

tough gorge Dec 27, 2020, 5:04 PM

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problem is I think most of my static use sprint for towers

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so we don't have sprint for 2nd RB

quick verge Dec 27, 2020, 5:05 PM

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that's fine, just means you can't stand around after it's safe to move

tough gorge Dec 27, 2020, 5:05 PM

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can you legit like
start moving as soon as you see the purple circle under you because I feel like if I move as soon as it appears it's gonna take way longer to take to break my plant tether

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2 tanks got in an argument over this in PF one day haha

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one said you can, other said to just wait

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I also use mith strat if that helps

quick verge Dec 27, 2020, 5:06 PM

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apparently you can move after they appear under you

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rdm in my static does it and doesn't have issues with snapping the tether

tough gorge Dec 27, 2020, 5:07 PM

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interesting.

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gonna need to try that out on our e9s reclear next week

quick verge Dec 27, 2020, 5:07 PM

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https://youtu.be/kZEoXsMa0Zw?t=771 you can watch protean + 2nd rb here

YouTube

Xenosys Vex

E9S Clear

E9S Clear -- Watch live at https://www.twitch.tv/xenosysvex

▶ Play video

tough gorge Dec 27, 2020, 5:07 PM

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oh thank god

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yeah I'm gonna have to try moving as soon as I see the purple circle during towers

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so I can save sprint for 2nd RB protean

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wait how'd they know it was gonna be protean way before the animation

subtle bone Dec 27, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Lolololol

quick verge Dec 27, 2020, 5:13 PM

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mistell maybe

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was reaffirmed after the animation for protean was shown

subtle marsh Dec 27, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Yeah there's been times I've rushed at brambles but they still snapshot

subtle bone Dec 27, 2020, 5:14 PM

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They call protean when they see single orb on boss

subtle marsh Dec 27, 2020, 5:14 PM

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It's kinda convenient

subtle bone Dec 27, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Which is the animation for protean :)

quick verge Dec 27, 2020, 5:16 PM

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protean is called during the left/right orb, and called again after the protean orb is shown

tough gorge Dec 27, 2020, 5:17 PM

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but
why call out protean first?

quick verge Dec 27, 2020, 5:17 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

tough gorge Dec 27, 2020, 5:17 PM

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it's random

subtle bone Dec 27, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Hacks!! Jk lol its just a way of calling out whats coming next if i had to guess

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Its either protean/partners

tough gorge Dec 27, 2020, 5:17 PM

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got me deadass wondering if it was somehow the opposite of the first 2nd art

subtle bone Dec 27, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Nah actually he first calls out proteans when the single orb is shown

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Call + timing was correct

stable basin Dec 27, 2020, 7:41 PM

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whats the site called you upload fflogs to and it tell you what you did wrong

dull radish Dec 27, 2020, 7:42 PM

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https://xivanalysis.com/

xivanalysis

Automated performance analysis and suggestion platform for Final Fantasy XIV: Shadowbringers.

stable basin Dec 27, 2020, 7:42 PM

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ty ty

odd stream Dec 27, 2020, 8:23 PM

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for turn of the heavens 3, for blue uptime is it fine to touch the edge of the blue circle?

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/752783461051400273/792843548713025566/813d0a5b-8864-41e7-b782-330db0c14d90.png

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is this diagram almost correct?

subtle bone Dec 27, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Dont touch the edge of the middle circle

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Diagram is fine

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Whys it called blue uptime anyway? Isnt there only one way to do the mech

simple sky Dec 27, 2020, 8:56 PM

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when its blue circles safe + stack
you can do uptime shenanigans

foggy latch Dec 27, 2020, 8:57 PM

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E10S voidgate amplifier uptime strat

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqRbWqUW4AM4iEU?format=jpg&name=large

subtle bone Dec 27, 2020, 8:59 PM

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i meant, i thought going intercards+in for when hes casting red (blue safe) is standard

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unless there was another way to do that lol

dull radish Dec 27, 2020, 9:03 PM

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standard strat is to just do either color out at the edge of the arena

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blue uptime is "wait no that's dumb you can stand close if blue is safe"

subtle bone Dec 27, 2020, 9:06 PM

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i see, normal way is a yikes erNoThx

dull radish Dec 27, 2020, 9:07 PM

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yeah I mean it was just a standard "this always works, you don't have to think about it much" so people just kinda did it that way

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and then people thought about it for a sec

stable basin Dec 27, 2020, 9:31 PM

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half my group didn't even realize you could do thunder safe on the outside until they went into PF haha

drowsy agate Dec 28, 2020, 12:36 AM

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in a 1-chest run, do you still get the glaze and tomestone

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from e10s

finite plank Dec 28, 2020, 12:37 AM

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if it's the chest that you'd open to have it

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yes?

dull radish Dec 28, 2020, 12:39 AM

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it's random if you get the chest with those or not

stable basin Dec 28, 2020, 5:38 PM

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how is the kachi strat on E10S??

subtle bone Dec 28, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Wats that

foggy latch Dec 28, 2020, 5:45 PM

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voidgate amplifier where ppl make shadows get far towers @subtle bone

subtle bone Dec 28, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Oh the one we do

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Is good imo

stable basin Dec 28, 2020, 6:09 PM

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It works, which is all you need

viscid wadi Dec 28, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Does that put melee out of range

stable basin Dec 28, 2020, 6:13 PM

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yeah

daring dome Dec 28, 2020, 6:13 PM

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the real uptime strat is skipping it so any strat there is fine

stable basin Dec 28, 2020, 6:14 PM

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^

viscid wadi Dec 28, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Ya, that's true

daring dome Dec 28, 2020, 6:14 PM

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at that point you should be close to a kill so SVDerp

foggy latch Dec 28, 2020, 6:26 PM

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqRbWqUW4AM4iEU?format=jpg&name=large

finite plank Dec 28, 2020, 6:59 PM

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for E12s, should the health be at 30% at the start of double lions?

quick verge Dec 28, 2020, 7:00 PM

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yeah that's an okay number

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that's pretty much as high as it should be otherwise you're likely going to see enrage

nova socket Dec 28, 2020, 7:29 PM

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30% is like

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barely making it

undone tide Dec 28, 2020, 9:27 PM

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What does DPS/TH adjust mean in 10s

subtle bone Dec 28, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Whats the full thing

undone tide Dec 28, 2020, 9:31 PM

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also does anyone have the toolbox for kachi

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It just says dps adjust

subtle bone Dec 28, 2020, 9:32 PM

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Dps adjust prob means for the final green tethers

undone tide Dec 28, 2020, 9:32 PM

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ic

subtle bone Dec 28, 2020, 9:33 PM

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https://ff14.toolboxgaming.space/?id=771229364197061&preview=1#1

Toolbox Gaming Space - FF14 Strat Maker

Toolbox Gaming Space's Strat Maker and Timeline Planner for Final Fantasy XIV. Drawing tool, live sharing and supporting features for ff14 raiders.

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kachi thing

undone tide Dec 28, 2020, 9:34 PM

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Ty

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Why tf would anybody use that

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That's way too much downtime

subtle bone Dec 28, 2020, 9:35 PM

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Cause its easy

undone tide Dec 28, 2020, 9:35 PM

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uptime is just as easy

subtle bone Dec 28, 2020, 9:36 PM

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Yea probably... but this was just a week 1 strat lol

undone tide Dec 28, 2020, 9:37 PM

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week 1 strats kekw

subtle bone Dec 28, 2020, 9:38 PM

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All of the melee uptimes i see range have to go corner to corner?

stable basin Dec 28, 2020, 9:39 PM

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yeah

subtle bone Dec 28, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Trash imo

stable basin Dec 28, 2020, 9:39 PM

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the melee uptime one is toxic to casters

subtle bone Dec 28, 2020, 9:39 PM

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:)

dull radish Dec 28, 2020, 9:39 PM

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yeahhh

stable basin Dec 28, 2020, 9:40 PM

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And the reason ppl don't care very much is because it should be skippable even in PF eventually

dull radish Dec 28, 2020, 9:40 PM

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like, you can do it decently on them (though WHM I'd imagine it'd really suck, BLM you have to hold and use quite a bit of extra instants for mobility) but you're just kinda running a marathon

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but yeah, skipping it will be the coziest strat

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it's not really that much downtime for kachi or whatever it's called, just a bit awkward that you'd have to run out and face correctly as melee if you wanna time it well

subtle bone Dec 28, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Noticed its awkward if the melee tries to fit in 1 extra gcd

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Which is the total loss of uptime there i believe

stable basin Dec 28, 2020, 9:44 PM

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It's greedable but really really bad if you fail

subtle bone Dec 28, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Yeah

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I think you can fail 1 tower and be ok

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To resolve the mech*

dull radish Dec 28, 2020, 9:45 PM

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it's just a damage down at one missed tower yeah, and two that gives the doom?

subtle bone Dec 28, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Yup

stable basin Dec 28, 2020, 9:47 PM

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technically recoverable but it's pretty likely the guy who fails greed gets bonked by their shadow and causes the second tower miss

subtle bone Dec 28, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Haha usually just the “oops” is enough for ppl to panic and get bonked by their shadows

arctic vortex Dec 28, 2020, 9:53 PM

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what does braindead strat mean?

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in savage raids

torn kindle Dec 28, 2020, 9:56 PM

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Varies from fight to fight, but for E7S it meant stacking during the portals that shift your polarity

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Since the aoes on each player don’t do enough to warrant being spread apart

subtle bone Dec 28, 2020, 9:57 PM

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Ppl call commonly used easy strats for a mechanic “braindead strat”

dull radish Dec 28, 2020, 10:00 PM

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though I'd argue it's not always necessarily the easiest strat, and personally I'd much prefer a name that's actually marginally descriptive since when you get the term for a few fights you won't necessarily know which one they're talking about

steep falcon Dec 28, 2020, 10:19 PM

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Can't wait to skip Voidgate Amplifier because the melee uptime really mess with BLM

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GNightCatThumbsUp

stable basin Dec 28, 2020, 10:48 PM

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undone tide uptime is just as easy

isnt uptime the one where ranged have to run a marathon

undone tide Dec 28, 2020, 10:49 PM

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yes but idc about ranged

finite plank Dec 28, 2020, 10:49 PM

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looking at it, that seems nice, just a pain for casters

undone tide Dec 28, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Just be a Summoner lol

stable basin Dec 28, 2020, 10:49 PM

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thats like telling PLD to just shield bash

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or shield lob*

undone tide Dec 28, 2020, 10:49 PM

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requiescat lol

steep falcon Dec 28, 2020, 10:53 PM

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Request cat

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My previous static was using melee uptime, wasn't BLM friendly, but I didn't care that much because I like to parse when I get BiS so I don't worry about early parses.

stable basin Dec 28, 2020, 10:55 PM

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casters in my group said the uptime void 2 is less bad for them than kachi is for melee

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but we're never seeing it again so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

olive hearth Dec 28, 2020, 11:07 PM

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Cat

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What happens when the paladin requests you

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owocarby

stable basin Dec 28, 2020, 11:13 PM

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I give them confetti

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mch seems fun.. have a 60 smn and 80 whm.....

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smn has rez

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should i lvl mch for end game?

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or smn.... or does it not matter

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im gonna do potd to test out mch

torn kindle Dec 28, 2020, 11:18 PM

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They’re both pretty great.

stable basin Dec 28, 2020, 11:18 PM

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so thathl help... but input is nice

torn kindle Dec 28, 2020, 11:19 PM

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POTD isn’t a good testing ground for jobs, since everything dies so fast you can’t get a proper rotation

stable basin Dec 28, 2020, 11:19 PM

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well but at least it gives me the later abilities

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lvl 30 tests arent helpful at all

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2nd question. I have geared 80 whm.... is it worth even botherting to learn sch?

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like is it significantly better for end game certain fights?

torn kindle Dec 28, 2020, 11:41 PM

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All 3 healers are good. Personally I enjoy WHM for dungeons and a mix of all 3 healers for other content depending on if I’m playing with friends

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Scholar and Astrologian rely a bit more on planning your heals than White Mage, but can be more effective

stable basin Dec 29, 2020, 2:25 AM

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ic ic, thanks

stable basin Dec 29, 2020, 3:03 AM

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They have different niches to fill

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Sch is more for shielding and pet healing

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Ast is cards and flexibility

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And they have natural weave windows to let you play cards or weave one of their many ogcd heals

foggy latch Dec 29, 2020, 6:25 AM

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clear is what matters now

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bother about uptime when close to bis

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which means u gonna skip it

plain hinge Dec 29, 2020, 6:27 AM

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Glamour, this is all you need to say here

sinful brook Dec 29, 2020, 6:52 PM

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wearycarby

exotic ridge Dec 29, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Facts

lyric summit Dec 29, 2020, 7:35 PM

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one joke

young fog Dec 30, 2020, 1:31 PM

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Im reinstalling FF14 and taking a break from WoW. I know leveling is slow but i love doing dungeons and tanking. How are the FF14 dungeons compared to wow. Right now Mythic plus is cancer and not fun in any capacity

lyric summit Dec 30, 2020, 2:22 PM

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they're not really endgame content

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there's no scaling difficulty or anything like that, just zone in, pull mobs through a corridor and kill the boss, repeat until dungeon is over, a dungeon at level 80 isn't much different from a dungeon at 60 or 70

pallid gorge Dec 30, 2020, 4:17 PM

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what’s the average dps for mch in e9s?

balmy cypress Dec 30, 2020, 4:28 PM

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50th percentile is around 18k

pallid gorge Dec 30, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Actually where can i look up that info?

quick verge Dec 30, 2020, 4:33 PM

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https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/38#boss=73&class=Global&spec=Machinist

pallid gorge Dec 30, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Tks fren

foggy latch Dec 30, 2020, 4:37 PM

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should be pulling 18500+

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on i510

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with emerald wep

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i did 17800 on i500

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on dnc

south heath Dec 30, 2020, 5:31 PM

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@lyric summit Don't be part of FFXIV's marketing dept ;)

odd stream Dec 30, 2020, 7:57 PM

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real use of sticker mode.

📎 2020-12-31_03-53-40-862_Refishade.png

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📎 2020-12-31_03-54-52-084_Refishade.png

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📎 unknown.png

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📎 2020-12-31_04-15-00-029_Refishade.png

lyric summit Dec 30, 2020, 8:26 PM

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not this downtime strat

odd stream Dec 30, 2020, 8:28 PM

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owocarby

steep falcon Dec 30, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Just skip it

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GNightBearPink

flat axle Dec 30, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Is it dumb to spend over a mil on a full gear set just to do the raid on savage mode? Or not worth it and just wait?

odd stream Dec 30, 2020, 9:14 PM

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no

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it isnt

flat axle Dec 30, 2020, 9:14 PM

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No not worth it?

odd stream Dec 30, 2020, 9:14 PM

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not dumb i mean

flat axle Dec 30, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Oh

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K I just buy then, guess I was just being cheap. What materia do I put in the gear for red mage?

stable basin Dec 30, 2020, 9:16 PM

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crit>dh>det

drowsy agate Dec 30, 2020, 9:24 PM

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you don't need a full 510 crafted set just to do savage fyi

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you can supplement with 510 pieces from Eden normal

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and the 515 emerald weapon is also very good

odd stream Dec 30, 2020, 10:00 PM

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yeah full crafted isnt really req but its good for supplementing whatever you got from normals+emerald

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and tomestones

paper violet Dec 30, 2020, 10:53 PM

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well that was interesting

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apperently it is possible to duo (Whitemage + Gunbreaker) in the 8man (level 80 treasuremaps)

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Completed two floors + entry in 14min44sec

drowsy agate Dec 30, 2020, 11:30 PM

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wouldn't be surprised if paladin could just solo it

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the instance timer is like an hour

quick verge Dec 30, 2020, 11:33 PM

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the issue with paladin solo would be clearing the mobs before you enter the portal

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having 1dps/tank + 1healer allows you to kill it in a reasonable time

stable basin Dec 31, 2020, 1:36 AM

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any general advice for p2?

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oracle?

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yea

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Honestly it's pretty easy as long as you study the relativities, they're hello world-esque mechanics which means they look complicated but have pretty simple movement for each person if they focus on themselves

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I know "just learn the fight lol" is like duh, but the bar for execution is very low except for double/triple apoc

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no no you're valid

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for apocs the important thing is tracking the explosions and being behind/in front of the correct line

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im subbing for a static so we're just kinda

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half-blinding it cuz i gtg soon

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but i definitely wanna study it

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what gives doom

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is the shadow eye thingy?

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yeah

quick verge Dec 31, 2020, 1:50 AM

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you can get doom from shadoweye, or getting hit twice(?) during relativity mechanics, which basically means you didn't resolve it correctly

stable basin Dec 31, 2020, 1:50 AM

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oh yea that too

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also for like double apoc uhh rough diagram time

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If the lights go next to where she jumps it looks kinda like this

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📎 unknown.png

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and it's important to be on the red circle

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though I think they actually go straight north and you'd be one over 🤔

quick verge Dec 31, 2020, 1:51 AM

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yeah they go to cardinals first

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n/s or e/w

stable basin Dec 31, 2020, 1:52 AM

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yeah it's more like this

📎 unknown.png

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anyways that line is the super important thing

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the arena markings show the range of everything

stable basin Dec 31, 2020, 2:40 AM

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stare

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My brain is too tired to understand this today

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But i will keep it in mind

subtle bone Dec 31, 2020, 3:03 AM

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finished my bis !!

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well i need tome belt :(

foggy latch Dec 31, 2020, 6:46 AM

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@stable basin we go to 3 then jump to 1 as 1 explode

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pretty risky as u could eat the buster in your face but we made it possible

stable basin Dec 31, 2020, 2:01 PM

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So like how you go from 3 to 2 for swords in emex?

foggy latch Dec 31, 2020, 2:02 PM

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close to it

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but much riskier

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1st apo goes off about 2 secs left of darkest dance

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if u dont react fast

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most likely u gonna get bonked

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then u need to place yourself right after to not get pushed to narnia or toward 3rd apo explosion

stable basin Dec 31, 2020, 2:27 PM

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I see

unkempt cypress Dec 31, 2020, 3:06 PM

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which strat is the blue uptime strat for e11?

dull radish Dec 31, 2020, 3:24 PM

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@unkempt cypress for turn of the heavens, if blue ends up being safe, you can stay mid instead of going out to the edge like you do if red is safe. Since center circle is always blue

unkempt cypress Dec 31, 2020, 4:13 PM

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oh so everyone stays near the center circle and tank with powder mark get away?

dull radish Dec 31, 2020, 4:18 PM

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oh, I guess I should specify that this is a bit more specifically for much later in the fight

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after sundered sky

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there's no powder mark, it's just you have the circles coupled with protean -> stack or spread

nova socket Dec 31, 2020, 4:26 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSwpje7Wd0Y&ab_channel=FFXIVSiggy

YouTube

FFXIVSiggy

FFXIV E11S Blue Uptime Turn of the Heavens 2 (Eden's Promise: Anamo...

This is only possible if the safe spot is blue (i.e. the boss channels fire when casting Turn of the heavens). Instead of going to the edge, there are tiny safe spots within melee range of the boss.

Go to the safe spots circled here:
https://i.imgur.com/4AVPsbP.jpg
Wait for proteans to go off. While waiting, look at the Elemental Brea...

▶ Play video

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@unkempt cypress

dull radish Dec 31, 2020, 4:26 PM

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thanks for grabbing a link

unkempt cypress Dec 31, 2020, 4:26 PM

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ah i thought it was for the first circle thing

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didnt even see that part yet lol thanks

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PF is a rough place

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ohhhh that's smart

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thanks for the video

viscid wadi Dec 31, 2020, 4:29 PM

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that's considered uptime?

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wheezes thought they meant the other one, going out with blue is trolling to begin with

dull radish Dec 31, 2020, 4:31 PM

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it's uh

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so for prog you don't necessarily notice even obvious stuff

viscid wadi Dec 31, 2020, 4:31 PM

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PES_Hmmm oh i see

dull radish Dec 31, 2020, 4:31 PM

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so since you can handle the mechanic either way by simply going out, and you have plenty of room to deal with stuff

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that's kinda what a lot of folks did early on

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then you think for a second and go "no wait that's dumb"

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thus there's an uptime strat for it, even if it's more obviously the better way to do it to begin with haha

stable basin Dec 31, 2020, 4:41 PM

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https://ff14.toolboxgaming.space/?id=564128320087061&preview=1

Toolbox Gaming Space - FF14 Strat Maker

Toolbox Gaming Space's Strat Maker and Timeline Planner for Final Fantasy XIV. Drawing tool, live sharing and supporting features for ff14 raiders.

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here's the toolbox for it

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also is the timing on dual apoc tight

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cuz it doesnt seem that bad

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from toolbox

nova socket Dec 31, 2020, 5:01 PM

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yeh in prog we just ran to narnia

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no matter which

daring dome Dec 31, 2020, 5:15 PM

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i wonder if prismazic deception is gonna end up being skippable at all

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9:50 is the best rn i think

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50 secs of dps away

quick verge Dec 31, 2020, 5:19 PM

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maybe

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probably only the most gamer of groups will skip it

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still a bit of time before best in slot

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feels like e11s is mostly optimized in terms of uptime at this point though

daring dome Dec 31, 2020, 5:24 PM

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yeah kinda

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idk how theyre gonna shave off 50s

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maybe slightly less, 45s

quick verge Dec 31, 2020, 5:25 PM

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crit farming :^)

daring dome Dec 31, 2020, 5:25 PM

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:^)

stable basin Dec 31, 2020, 6:39 PM

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you need ~169k active dps to skip prismatic

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that's preeetty spicy

nova socket Dec 31, 2020, 6:39 PM

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its going to be smth probably possible on absolute god run

quick verge Dec 31, 2020, 6:47 PM

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samurai 200% dcrit rate

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please look forward to it

foggy latch Dec 31, 2020, 7:11 PM

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looks 160k is as far as you can go by normal means

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on full bis

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gotta fish 9k dps by crits

odd stream Dec 31, 2020, 7:59 PM

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can you even with nin/mnk, sam, blm, dnc?

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would you bring mch or dnc?

stable basin Dec 31, 2020, 8:02 PM

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you'd bring dnc cuz it's the rng job

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AST/SCH, SAM/NIN/DNC, caster probably BLM but RDM actually lookin kinda spicy, tanks definitely GNB and then idk what other

nova socket Dec 31, 2020, 8:07 PM

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mnk is kinda doggo for speed

odd stream Dec 31, 2020, 8:10 PM

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Rdm is kinda spicy rn

stable basin Dec 31, 2020, 8:13 PM

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rdm would be absolutely crazy if nin mudras did physical dmg

quick verge Dec 31, 2020, 8:14 PM

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pray for embolden change next patch

nova socket Dec 31, 2020, 8:14 PM

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rdm looks really good at least rn, but I expect blm to do better in speeds

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especially cus in stuff like 9s you just lose a 6min burst

stable basin Dec 31, 2020, 8:15 PM

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feel like they'd have to nerf embolden % if they made it buff magic too

nova socket Dec 31, 2020, 8:15 PM

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cus killtime lol

odd stream Dec 31, 2020, 8:15 PM

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yeah nin ninjutsus being magic

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is wierd

stable basin Dec 31, 2020, 8:15 PM

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It would be way too op if it also buffed healers + drk mana dump + nin mudras

odd stream Dec 31, 2020, 8:15 PM

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hyosho getting sweet 10% buff

nova socket Dec 31, 2020, 8:15 PM

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drk isnt good for 9s speed cus skipping 6min window on drk hurts so much

odd stream Dec 31, 2020, 8:15 PM

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2D2BGasm

nova socket Dec 31, 2020, 8:16 PM

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sadsurfmorning

stable basin Dec 31, 2020, 8:17 PM

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