endgame-lounge

[foggy latch]

e11s need 124k with downtime

[strong timber]

I gotta find a pug where I aint top dps as drg

[foggy latch]

u need 8 ppl that are pulling purple numbers

otherwise u wont dream in meeting it

week 1

[strong timber]

Just need to find 7 more ppl

Also

Is it annoying for uptime again

Like kachim strat fir e10 😔

That shit rocked my uptime

[foggy latch]

kachim?

[strong timber]

Piercing talon soam

Wait lemme find it

[foggy latch]

i mean downtime as of mechs

[strong timber]

Idk how to find it

But like

Yeah

[foggy latch]

the bossdisappear

[strong timber]

It was kinda

Oh so its forced downtime

Not the

[foggy latch]

not going away

[strong timber]

If you do this mech weird

You wont get melee uptime

[foggy latch]

nope

u can have 100% uptime

[strong timber]

I’m good then

[foggy latch]

if done right

not 100%

i say

98

there is 1 mech

that force u to go away

and there is no way around it

given safespot is a tiny triangle on edge

i wanna see kachim strat tho

is it the drop shadows on far towers?

[strong timber]

Yes

[foggy latch]

or something else?

[strong timber]

Drop shadows on far towers

So all I can do is piercing talon

And wait

[foggy latch]

ah

[strong timber]

[foggy latch]

just skip the towers in week 3

[strong timber]

I hope so

[foggy latch]

to give u an idea of e11s dps

we did perfect play with no fuck ups at rot and mechs

we had 25 secs to spare on enrage

[strong timber]

Lemme see the logs

Inb4 everyone is orange

[dull radish]

mmm I think "perfect play" is a bit of a bold claim. The check is a little tight but it's nothing insane

[strong timber]

Cant expect that from PF

[foggy latch]

1 moment

[quick verge]

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/VHrqd8ht7n6aWgxz#fight=5&type=damage-done

[foggy latch]

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/VHrqd8ht7n6aWgxz#fight=5&type=damage-done

blm might have took dmg down

or idk

[quick verge]

they did yes

[strong timber]

Yeah I think should be fine with my drg since I pull around that

[foggy latch]

blm and drk

[strong timber]

The problem is

Expectin PF healers to dps

[foggy latch]

the fight actually hurt

but when i saw e12s

i waslike

even e11s crap is nothing to this

[strong timber]

How is 12s compared to other final floors

[foggy latch]

door boss might force u to think abit

[strong timber]

This is all I know from 12

[foggy latch]

but otherwise not tough

[strong timber]

It aint uploading

[foggy latch]

last boss is very simple

[strong timber]

So is it not bad compared to other last floors of savage

[foggy latch]

but i still dont fully understand advanced relativity

nope

[strong timber]

Alright

[foggy latch]

i would say with higher ilvl

[strong timber]

It finally sent

[foggy latch]

e12s would be easier

than e8s

prolly cause

they made e9s and e10s not cakewalk?

[strong timber]

Its kind of a cakewalk tbh

[foggy latch]

like prev tiers

i still spent 5 hours in e9s and 5 in e10s

[strong timber]

Like e10

Its like

[foggy latch]

meanwhile i cleared e5s in 3 hours

[strong timber]

Once you figure out how it works its easy

But yeah I can see

From a completely blind standpoint

Figuring out starts gonna be weird

[foggy latch]

e6s also in 3

not calling e1s

cause it was a joke

[foggy latch]

what im supposed to see here?

[strong timber]

I think everyoje and their moms cleared e1s weak 1

It resent

[foggy latch]

the cure 3s?

[strong timber]

But it was heal logs

For e12s

[stable basin]

the burst healing with the soft enrage I guess
but it’ll be skipped later

[foggy latch]

shiva junction is cursed still

even soft enrage doesnt feel as bad

[quick verge]

titan

shiva

[foggy latch]

titan isnt bad

u got ages to heal it

[unkempt cypress]

do you get only 1 book per week from savage?

[quick verge]

1 book per floor per week

[unkempt cypress]

bummer, thanks for letting me know

[devout totem]

anyone knows what is the lunatori strat for e9s?

[finite plank]

e9s cleared, feels like i should've been done with this 2 days ago

[subtle bone]

Grz

[undone tide]

you should've, but you're stuck in PF. Better PF because it's JP, although.

[finite plank]

1 death because tank got hit by cleave during 2nd seed arena thing where it scares a lot of people but actually is pretty simple

and that tank was my partner

[finite plank]

oh no

[quick verge]

those are some pretty words

[sinful brook]

Lma9 d3 reserved

Jp players really out here being selfish

[undone tide]

wth is d3

also small brain true north users 🤮

[sinful brook]

d3 is damage dealer 3

as in 3rd dps

[sonic olive]

Fuck me that fight took way to long to clear it isn't even funny

[olive hearth]

Grats!

[strong timber]

nice

[stable basin]

Got trapped in door all day then kicked one guy and saw triple apocalypse in one lockout

feels good

[stable basin]

Other than dps check

How's e11 mechanics wise

[quick verge]

the mechanics are pretty easy to grasp

[stable basin]

It's mostly pretty straightforward

[quick verge]

last part of the fight is where it gets harder

where it's just mechanics dump

you could probably see most of the fight's mechanics within a lockout tbh

[stable basin]

legit hardest part of learning it for me was protean+element circles cuz people were explaining it by pairs and I was thinking by clock spots and neither of us made that known to each other

I see

10 was pretty easy once i understood how clone giga work + understanding how the clone works for voidgate amp

[severe root]

I’ve made it to Emerald’s p2 enrage! When he does his 3 pairs of swords and a split/expire, will the red Aoe always expand? Will sidescathe always be the knockback? That’s about the only trouble I have now.

[stable basin]

legs split is always expand orb

head split is always knockback

also tricks for swords

[undone tide]

Legg

[stable basin]

normal swords, you can 100% do a 3-1 dodge either center->southeast or southeast->center

for leg split just run into the corner where the aoe was as soon as it disappears, that's 100% a 3-1 dodge

[undone tide]

cats

when I attempt e10s

should I force discord

so nobody fucks up shadows

[stable basin]

and for head split stand just east of center and don't knockback immune and just run in and that's 100% a 3-1 dodge

might be good to do yea

especially for orbs

[undone tide]

Kk

[stable basin]

have ppl call out where they're goin

[undone tide]

I can't call out

I'll be main tank

[severe root]

Okie, thnx for the tips! Emerald’s really fun

[undone tide]

If you're ranged its fun

melee is ass on Emerald

[severe root]

I’m a SMN, so correct

[sinful brook]

its not too bad on melee

can uptime the spinny lasers pretty easily

[foggy latch]

we saw p1 enrage twice

not bad prog for week 1

clear in week 2 hopefully

[stable basin]

final is much easier with some studying

you got dis

[foggy latch]

im looking forward wiping for 3 hours in reclears

ppl would be like: what was this mech again in E9S and E10S

[nova socket]

Just do reclears with no act like we did

[foggy latch]

its still 18 mins to go tho?

[nova socket]

Alt reclears

[foggy latch]

ah

[strong fiber]

Did the raids reset?

[steady pebble]

yes

weekly reset happened

[foggy latch]

21 mins ago

[strong fiber]

[finite plank]

life gon be hard

[nova socket]

imagine being able to roll on loot

[finite plank]

all 60

won none

[severe root]

F to the 92

[strong timber]

Just join a static dummy

Unless you’re a tank or healer

Which means you’ll be last on the loot rolls

[versed vapor]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/16932553/blog/4621628/

Can someone look into the viability of this strat?

Seems interesting

[quick verge]

for tiles?

looks like any other strat for tiles

having reference for when you must swap tiles is nice

but i still think people are gonna refresh in the event of someone being slow with their movement

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hard crow]

anyone want to do Umbra savage?

[versed vapor]

No this is brambles @quick verge

Mainly brambles

[quick verge]

looks functional but not having the brambles overlap when you drop them looks kind of annoying

[stable basin]

is e11 markers just clock

[quick verge]

yep

[stable basin]

nice

[foggy latch]

spicy dps and top 10 on speed

pog

[stable basin]

Huge

[stable basin]

Wee woo wee woo someone call the parse police?

No officer, no one called

[deft moon]

Not sure if this should go in protips or questions and help or here but:

I just recently got back into the game, and finally got my NIN back up to ilevel to start the end game bosses and whatnot. My question is in regards to the new opener for them. The last time I played was 4.4, so there have been big obvious changes to their mudra going into 5.0+

My question: How important is doton to the opener? Since I can only throw it down near spawn point, it doesn't seem like it would be useful unless the tank pulls the boss into it, and trying to get that to work in PF or pugs seems pretty farfetched.

Any NINS got advice or wisdom on this? Or if there is a opener variant that I could follow instead of the doton opener?

[proper glen]

You can place it down before the pull and if the tank is nice they pull boss in it

Otherwise dont bother

The balance discord has everything you need to know though, should check it out

[deft moon]

Oh yeah? Thanks I'll check that out! And thanks for the advice

[stable basin]

E10

Can a PLD/GNB cheese umbral orbs + spinning dogs

Since their invuln doesnt give them any debuffs either (iirc)

sounds like something that involves not invulning the buster

Yes

Im more curious than anything

Makes me think of those tanks who'd take both tethers in e7 coloured portals

And invuln

I suspect it would work but I also suspect most healers aren't going to be real keen on finding out

And looking at my log, the total gain for a PLD is

wait for it

Not clipping their gcd by 1 second

In return for not invulning a buster that does 800k

[stable basin]

Yea

Id be pissed if my tank did that

Same as if my tank invuln'd anti air

[steep falcon]

oh

I got that discussion when we were progging e10s

My PLD said that what if he just Hallowed Ground all the orbs and we just run to the safe spot

And I said that he might get tons of Dmg Down debuff, so we never tried

[undone tide]

HG nullifies most dmg downs ans vulns

emphasis on the most

[steep falcon]

Tomorrow I'm gonna beat this dude

[stable basin]

Invulnerability to damage also makes you invulnerable to debuffs most of the time

Shields too

So you could hallowed or bolide it and get out scotsfree and have no damage down

[quick verge]

you can try it

but there’s so much stuff that applies debuffs through invulns at this point

that’s it’s really just case by case

I think it’d prob give a damage down cause you aren’t resolving the stacks properly

[stable basin]

Dang

A friend said he'll try it

[finite plank]

morbol bad breath goes through invuls

[quaint marten]

I sometimes cast bad breathe on morbols just outside gridania as BLU just because i can.

[foggy latch]

@steep falcon you guys are tiny bit behind the dps check

but im seeing double weakness and dmg down

so yea

[steep falcon]

We died like 4 times

[drowsy agate]

orange parsed on e9s week 2

[lyric summit]

i got orange on 10s

[finite plank]

question for e10s, you can't just turn away within melee range for shadow cleave?

haven't started yet

[quick verge]

makes positioning rougher for the following stack mechanic

[lyric summit]

depends on the strat, my melees drop it in max melee and seem to be fine, as long as you know how to move not to trigger the cleave

but you can also disengage for like 1 second my MT drops it in narnia and loses like half a gcd

[quick verge]

shadow cleave snapshots your position for shadows at the end of the cast, so you can just move out after rolling your gcd and gap closer back in

[finite plank]

"if u didnt complete and get prac on e10s u wont get any item for e9s for this week" got a party with a member facing this issue, this is a dumb mechanic

[stable basin]

yes

also not really

if u havent done e9, the game wont let you do e10 unless someone already on 10 queus w you

[lethal bison]

for e10s Dualspell phase, is there any way I can time myself when to get out/in of the stack? I'm thinking the number on my clone is the cue that I should get off the stack but I need to confirm.

[quick verge]

the timing on when to move in/out is just counting the explosions from the stacks

if you have 1, stay away from the 1st stack, move in after the explosion goes off

2, sit in 1st stack, move out when you see the explosion, move back in after
3, sit in 1st 2 stacks, move out for 3rd

[lethal bison]

1st stack is exactly after the aoe marker disappears right?

[quick verge]

1st stack happens immediately after the dualspell cast finishes

so yeah i guess

then there's like a gcd delay between the following stacks, with the clones taking damage at about the same time as the stack

[lethal bison]

guess I need to count about 2 seconds after each aoe

but anyway I'll figure that one out when I try it tomorrow. thanks

[finite plank]

they got logs for e9s, they didn't clear this weeks e9s and wanted e10s practice

managed to get into e10s fresh prog

we made it till... first pitch bog, with a lot of corpses along the way

certainly better than dying to tiles in e9s

[finite plank]

im an idiot

https://quiz-maker.site/quiz/play/1mg2Ok20201211190009

[foggy latch]

ppl are seriously doing this

[stable basin]

3 hrs for e9s reclear, 2 hrs for e10s, 2 pulls for e11s

[steep falcon]

[finite plank]

if the world was perfect, everyone should be able to notice it within 4 seconds

[nova socket]

if you cant maybe go back to preschool

[finite plank]

preschool? thanks for the sound comment of it

clearly, I'm just mechanically challenged

[stable basin]

can someoe explain the book thing

[quick verge]

what about them

[stable basin]

uhhh

i know about the safe spots but like

sundered sky, baiting the light

or just positioning in general

idk if PF is doing it this way but my group does and iirc it's same as ilya guide

you run cw and holy tether goes to the first far safe spot

and fire tether goes to middle safe spot

i see

is there a picture of safe spots?

safe spots roughly here

[quick verge]

yeah, you can sort of sit on the edge of the arena if you get holy tether

in that general location

[stable basin]

Thank you

Seeing it first hand has made it feel a lot less stressful

[untold oyster]

Hmm twould seem if you don’t get hit by a protean in 10 you don’t spawn a clone

https://clips.twitch.tv/SlipperyAltruisticSnailSuperVinlin

[sinful brook]

can you replicate that consistently?

might be a pog tech :^)

[untold oyster]

We’re going for a clear rn so I’m not really trying to lol

[sinful brook]

fair neough

[untold oyster]

I don’t normally shukuchi in but I messed up my opener

And my gcd was off

I’ll try to tho mayhap

[sinful brook]

might be something to fiddle with after for reclears

[untold oyster]

Yea

[sinful brook]

idk what other jobs have that sort of use case though

[untold oyster]

Dancer maybe

[sinful brook]

non targetted dashes

maybe blm as well?

we'd have to figure out if this can be done consistently

[serene lotus]

Dnc and blm would be the only ones not going towards the boss

[sinful brook]

ninja too if locke moved sideways instead

[serene lotus]

Yeah, but we saw his lol

[foggy latch]

meh

ppl are fucking up shiva diamond dust alot

despite its joke mech that only hurt

[stable basin]

I'd really love to know what's considered a good DPS for tanks in 5.4?

[foggy latch]

depends on ilvl

but on i510 with emerald

u should pull about 13-14k

[stable basin]

I see, thank you. I'm currently at 500 and only pushing 11k 😦 dunno how bad that is

As a Paladin

[quick verge]

11.5k-13k would be a better estimate in full uptime at i510

[stable basin]

Ahhhh

[undone tide]

11k at 500 is great, actually

That's like an...85?

In Ramuh

[short heron]

Y’all wanna see

This party wipe at 0.1% in Eden

Truly despair

[foggy latch]

finally e12s p2

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpdcpbnXYAI0bvF?format=jpg&name=large

[stable basin]

\o/

now for the easy fight

[foggy latch]

nice 2nd worst dnc

[finite plank]

bug?

[foggy latch]

no

i died ty to tank

in iciles

icicles

[stable basin]

who tf had a worse run than us

speaking of world second last

[finite plank]

pf groups?

[stable basin]

PF clearing 12 door

[quick verge]

did someone eat like

2 icicles

or lion's breath

[subtle bone]

didnt know 0 was possible

[finite plank]

i'd think 0 would be just not existing in the fight

[subtle bone]

[stable basin]

one laser eye, one death to lions, one dealer dc so cotank died

[quick verge]

impressive how that was still a clear

x d

[stable basin]

I carry dps

[finite plank]

sometimes, i wonder why did i even dc during a raid

[stable basin]

Imagine if I had a real weapon

[stable basin]

pphands

[undone tide]

when's clear

[stable basin]

better be this next lockout

[foggy latch]

seen single apocalypse in 1 hour

[stable basin]

we did it bois

[quick verge]

what weapon dropped

[stable basin]

pld

and drg got the coffer

[quick verge]

oh

was expecting some epic knuckles drop

[stable basin]

One or the other melee thinking about switching to mnk actually

but drg better be staying on drg lol

[undone tide]

You failed to mention you got the mount first clear.

smh

[stable basin]

:^)

[olive hearth]

Few questions about uwu,

• I've never cleared a tier, is it fine to just jump in?
• any prior experience that some groups look for?
• is "always trying to improve" a good mindset for ultimate?
• how are ultimate (or just uwu) prog groups?
• does the level 70 BLM rotation differ much from 80?
• is BiS a thing at all for UWU?

• is VC required for most groups?

[quick verge]

1. i'd recommend clearing the current tier before attempting an ultimate
2. clearing a tier with some decent logs is what some ultimate groups look for, might not be required though
3. yeah, you should be trying to improve constantly, with consistency and the like
4. mileage may vary, some are fine, some are pretty bad
5. rotation doesn't vary all that much, however you have a 60s sharpcast cd and 1 polyglot stack + no xenoglossy for movement. you're also missing aspect mastery and umbral soul for downtime.
6. it is yeah, but generally you can just wear i470+ gear with favorable substats and it should be fine
7. at the very minimum you should join vc to listen to calls/explanations. you don't really need to talk if you don't want to

[olive hearth]

Okay

I'll work towards the tier then

[stable basin]

idk if aether has much ultimate PF going on, but if they do then I'm sure people will be fine with you if you show up with good logs on a couple floors and do well enough in the instance

[quick verge]

clearing the current tier usually makes you a better player, being able to pilot your job through various situations and do dps in said situations, which is a good skill to have

[stable basin]

I'd be kinda sus if someone rolled in without a tier clear but if they did fine I'd be like whatever

uwu is still ultimate tho, aka a lot harder than a 4th floor

[undone tide]

I'll never be able to dedicate to an ultimate tbh

actually, I've done 40 hours of pf in the span of a week so that's a lie.

[stable basin]

Most ultimate groups actually don't run insane hours

cuz scheduling is the real ultimate

[undone tide]

well it's the scheduling that's my issue

[stable basin]

Like 6~10 hours a week is fairly standard

Thing is it just takes a while to clear on those hours

[undone tide]

my ideal would be 20 hours

[olive hearth]

The many different strats for E9S confuse me

[undone tide]

do you want an explanation

[olive hearth]

No

[undone tide]

I know mith and happy

oh

ok

[olive hearth]

I just don't know what to use or what to look for in PF

[stable basin]

The only consistent thing in PF that you'll find is failure

[undone tide]

Mith is the easiest by far

[quick verge]

if you're making a pf, pick the one that you like/think people will fail the least

[undone tide]

Which will be mith, most of the time

[quick verge]

idk where people find these strats ngl

they just start existing one day from youtubers ive never heard of before

[undone tide]

it's like a fad, tbh

1 person discovers it, uses it, and it spreads

[olive hearth]

@sinful brook i saw you progging E9S earlier, have you or any other tofu got very far?

[stable basin]

ppl make PFs and sit with a twitch clip or youtube vid or toolbox linked

we tried to influence 12s pf but I think that battle's lost

[undone tide]

Can someone explain e10s balls to me?

[quick verge]

there's always next tier i guess

[stable basin]

then again there's literally only one eternity pf up rn

so there's still a chance

[quick verge]

purple balls = tank busters
yellow balls = 3 man stacks

they shoot at you based on proximity

[undone tide]

thabks

thanks

also for the doggo ring around the Rosie mech

[stable basin]

We joined 11s pf to try to influence people early on and then they do this jank nonsense

[quick verge]

they're aoes, so don't stand too close

[stable basin]

oh, they also do second intermission uhh

[undone tide]

the safe spot has the same telegraph as nornal right?

[stable basin]

They go to an intercard near holy man but near the mid

and then move out

[quick verge]

if you mean aoes no

look at the boss and the animation it does

and adjust accordingly to the shadows

[undone tide]

the one where they leap around

[quick verge]

oh

[undone tide]

shadow spawn

[quick verge]

look at the tethered one

[undone tide]

?

[quick verge]

ye

[undone tide]

Ah

So same telegraph as normal

[quick verge]

yep

[olive hearth]

The hell is rin strat

For 9S

[stable basin]

melees close intercard bramble drop and ranged farther out intercard

overlapping

[undone tide]

Wrong link

fuck

[olive hearth]

Hm

[stable basin]

think there's also some specific tile strat assignment that was super pepega so they had to change it

[olive hearth]

Is there a good video on happy strat or tower brambles

[undone tide]

https://youtu.be/zXpwP4vu700 rin strat

rin is bad for pf

one misplace and towers is fucked

[olive hearth]

That strat seems nice tbh

[undone tide]

Honestly I want to take on ultimate

BUT

level 70 pld is ass

[quick verge]

just think of 70 pld as

an exercise in slidecasting

[undone tide]

i don't like exercising tho

[sinful brook]

I've seen past tiles but the rest of the group wasn't good enough to do much more than that

[olive hearth]

Hm

Alrighty

[sinful brook]

Also why i didn't join them

[steep falcon]

Man

That Rin strat look so horrible, me don't like it

[uncut gate]

just put down markers

[undone tide]

You think pf will do it right even if markers are down?

Your first mistake is using that strat.

Your second mistake is believing pf won't fuck it up

[uncut gate]

if they can't be trusted to place on marker what's the chances of them doing happy correctly

i mean at this point you're just saying PF can't do mechs

and not any particular strats

[undone tide]

I mean

In my experience

PF can't do mechanics.

[steep falcon]

[stable basin]

very nice

[undone tide]

when's e12s clear

Also I've been to orbs and I think e12s is pretty fun

I just need to learn what these strats are lol

[viral bobcat]

anyone know any lfg groups

wanna farm tank mount

[stable basin]

What's the void gate amp strat in primal

[steep falcon]

Dunno, Haven't done Party Finder yet.

https://streamable.com/njy0z9

Ay mama

[stable basin]

Wazosky

[steep falcon]

Why the raidwides and the dmg in general is so high in this one

[stable basin]

Also grats on 12 clear

[steep falcon]

Nyuu. I'm progging e12s

[stable basin]

Oh

11 clear?

[steep falcon]

Yas!

[stable basin]

Ahh

[steep falcon]

[stable basin]

Gl on 12 then

E11 is fucking with my head

My brain cant process both the colour and the mechanic for some reason

[steep falcon]

I found e11s mechancis to be easier than e9s and e10s

the only problem is that the dps check is a little bit tight atm

[stable basin]

So i know whether fire/lightning is safe but then i die cuz its line aoe not tether

[steep falcon]

I died like 3 times in e10s, lots of people got dmg down and other 2 people died and we still cleared

[stable basin]

I think primal usually does this one https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/547823790323662878/789290221510197298/kachi11.png

Yea

[steep falcon]

Oh?

[stable basin]

Oh uptime

[steep falcon]

Oh yeah I use that one

[stable basin]

Or braindead

[steep falcon]

Is not uptime for melees tho, but it is braindead

[stable basin]

Rather

thats downtime

Yea

but yeah its ez

It is

We use that

just get through the mech and skip it later

Yee

[steep falcon]

freaking e12s dmg holy moleeey

[stable basin]

tbf there's a melee uptime one that seems pretty simple

After sundered sky technically there's nothing new right?

but yea

Prismatic is just

Jumping up and down

prismatic is free

Yea

Cycles are technically not new mechs but they're rapidfire

[steep falcon]

all melee uptime really mess up with casters and some healers, but if u wanna parse as a melee, you can do that strat, but I think the picture above is PF strat

We got some trouble healing Cycles at first. We died during Cycle of Faith, Lightning.

[stable basin]

protean->burnt strike->tether with 0 time between

[steep falcon]

But we just toss more mitigation and we gucci

[stable basin]

with bleed during them :^)

and yeah dmg in door is kinda nutty

Yeah

our dnc changed to brd

and was having trouble using samba in shiva phase

I resort back to panic healing

[steep falcon]

I just throw an Addle on the last Cycle, dunno if is Magic dmg.

[stable basin]

cuz he does tech when ppl are actually together

[steep falcon]

[stable basin]

Partly because its still prog so people keep getting hit by sht

one of our healers changed his name to troub stopped my suicide

in discord

cuz there's soooo much dmg there

Ooof

But also nice

Im hoping to get to enrage tomorrow

Then clear on the weekend

But I'll see

Keeping an eye on party + mechanic name + dragon colour =

[steep falcon]

[foggy latch]

update im worst dnc in the world

[stable basin]

Lmfaooo

What was the dps check of 10 and 11 again?

Iirc 11 was around 123k

[foggy latch]

111k is e10s

e11s is 124k

[stable basin]

Whoof

Alright thx

I think that's just active uptime tho

overall is like 108k

ish

for 11

[foggy latch]

heard fflogs deleted fog phase by itself

[stable basin]

yea

[foggy latch]

might really consider going brd there

[stable basin]

God you suck

[foggy latch]

playing dnc there is cursed

[stable basin]

Garbage player

[foggy latch]

wow

ok enjoy

tbh even p2 is shit to dnc

all the splitting at relativities

[undone tide]

What's the dps check of every fight

[foggy latch]

e9s 103k
e10s 111k
e11s 124k
e12s p1 126.6-127k
e12s p2 116k with about 40 secs downtime

[dusk sapphire]

Hmmh

so i've been wondering

during e10s

your shadow cleaves ya, right?

but what about other people's shadows?

i think that for the first shadow cleave

instead of dropping the shadow all the way back...you could just drop em melee max range, rotate CW to avoid getting cleaved...but then idk

[stable basin]

Uh

[dusk sapphire]

ah right

doing it max melee, would leave little room for mistakes

during next mechanics

[stable basin]

Yea

[dusk sapphire]

its doable? yes...but its a pain in the butt

[nova socket]

you can drop them max melee fine

[stable basin]

There is a strat that lets melees hit positionals

But idk the details too well

[finite plank]

you can drop it at max melee range, the next mechanic doesn't need them unless you meant the initial shadow cleave

you have enough time to land a gcd, back out and once the cast bar finishes, gap close back in

for the next part after, just hit it at max melee range

then move into mid

[foggy latch]

??????

[supple sail]

I think it’s supposed to be a joke

[finite plank]

cleared e10s

went in e11s blind with the same group

what is that electric marker on someone? how does that spread thing work? probably explained in the guide but i haven't see it yet

er, "bowshock"?

[quick verge]

electric bound of faith leaves a dot, and new to savage, has 2 cleaves shoot towards 2 people (2 closest?)

[finite plank]

well, group's figuring that out

[quick verge]

so you just have the prey run towards like the front of the boss, tanks pop a cd and position the cleaves outwards

[finite plank]

🤔

probably because i didn't get to hit the boss at the end of void gate 2, but i didn't think it'd be that bad

[nova socket]

you should be getting at least purples by playing normally in crafed gear

[finite plank]

how do i check what am i competing with

[subtle bone]

Gear wise? Or dmg in general

[lyric summit]

it's comparing with everyone who cleared the fight and uploaded a log

on that job*

[finite plank]

how much does potting do?

[lyric summit]

there's no simple answer to that question but somewhere around 1-3% more damage

depends on proper timing, raid buffs, kill time, a ton of variables

[finite plank]

well, there's always next week to try e10s again

[lyric summit]

yeah, for the next 8 months

[finite plank]

assuming im still alive by then

this is... wrong, it was laggy, but i definitely didn't just cast 2 raitons here

[severe root]

So I managed to get my Emerald Ex clear yesterday.

[subtle bone]

Grats ^^

[severe root]

Thnx

[finite plank]

for trying to improve, im gonna need to figure out what's xivanalysis asking for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6QMvjcDaY4&feature=youtu.be

[undone tide]

there was some lag
welcome to the lag-on-the-clear gang

[subtle bone]

[finite plank]

welcome's appreciated, still confused on how xivanalysis thinks that I did 2 trick attacks within a minute

[undone tide]

Also 3 DWADs in one gcd

[finite plank]

dwads?

[quick verge]

dream within a dream

[finite plank]

oh yeah, that

[undone tide]

Saying DWAD reminds me of swaws and i hate it

No death

[finite plank]

ah, i got hit by a damage down

that explains why my dps was bad

i think...

[nova socket]

you don get a grey just cus of a dmg down

i died and got a dmg down and still got a purple

[undone tide]

I got 4 which is 2 minutes of damage down

[finite plank]

my first green at something in a savage had a death and a dropped kassatsu

so why the hell am i greying

[subtle bone]

Could be a number of things

Usually you should know why haha

Send log?

[quick verge]

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/mYZMALbtV87vKqFr#fight=20&type=damage-done

you have 10 casts of throwing daggers

this should be 0

[subtle bone]

😦

[finite plank]

so... i have to hold my gcd during mechs?

[quick verge]

hit the boss while doing mechanics

[finite plank]

so... greed?

[quick verge]

not really greeding if you recognize when you need to move out for a mechanic/when it snapshots

it is greeding when you risk getting another gcd despite knowing that you have a high chance of dying/eating a damage down

10 throwing daggers means that you hard "respected" mechanics when there was no reason to

you have raitons to use for disengages

[finite plank]

aren't raitons meant for ta?

[quick verge]

ideally you fit in all mudra charges under trick attack

however it is a gain to use them for raitons outside of trick if you have to disengage for an extended period of time

[finite plank]

ic, i could've used raiton during amp voidgates

[quick verge]

yes

if the jp pfs are doing that shitty disengage strat, then just roll your gcd a few times before you go out to position your clone

[undone tide]

Normal NIN opener has you save a raiton after trick ends

Save that mudra for disengage

Shuku out, Shuku in

[quick verge]

why would you shukuchi out

sprint out

[finite plank]

i usually shukuchi in, not out

[finite plank]

i don't remember this

[quick verge]

nin opener has you dump all of your mudra charges

[undone tide]

What

[quick verge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/718452012928467005/725406474880286851/NINreadibleRotation.png

[undone tide]

Yeah you can just save that ration for disengage

[finite plank]

ah, i recognize this now

yeah, i did do that for the first aoe

but that was it

[undone tide]

You shouldn't overcap on charges since disengage is my Req window

[stable basin]

you can't save that raiton, it's meant to be there so it can be inside other jobs' raidbuffs

[undone tide]

honestly i think the uptime would be more preferable but I don't main Ninja and also the balance exists

[stable basin]

there is no fight this tier where you would want to hold that raiton for uptime

neither has there in the previous tier

you wouldn't be able to hold it for long enough for a downtime mechanic to appear anyways

[undone tide]

The pbaoe

[quick verge]

pop sprint

roll your gcd

move back in after it snapshots

not hard

[stable basin]

what is pbaoe

lol

[dull radish]

pointblank aoe

your standard "out" mechanic

but yeah

[undone tide]

Honestly I'm saying this completely unironically - I don't care about that mech at all because Requiescat

[quick verge]

that's nice

you still miss like 2 autos if you immediately disengage

[undone tide]

Requiescat has spoiled me more than I imagined and I am being corrupted

[finite plank]

i'm stuck with either akito or shinosio for e10s strats

what is it called in na

[nova socket]

You didn't have a single correct trick window and you wonder why you're grey

[stable basin]

for voidgate tethers?

your strat doesn't really matter

that's not why you're grey

[finite plank]

so, it's clearly my TA being an issue?

[nova socket]

why are you using dwd before any gcd in trick

[stable basin]

no it's not trick

[finite plank]

because it's my 2nd ogcd?

[nova socket]

thats not how youre supposed to use trick

[stable basin]

it takes practice but you're missing some fundamentals about uptime

[finite plank]

???

wdym that's not how i'm not supposed to use trick

[nova socket]

you don't have a single 8 gcd trick

in 11mins

[stable basin]

using 5 throwing daggers in a row tanked your whole log

and there's more than just 5 in total

[finite plank]

so i shouldn't be using dwd as my 2nd ogcd?

[stable basin]

no...

every trick window goes trick > shadow fang > dwad > hyosho

[nova socket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/718452012928467005/725406474880286851/NINreadibleRotation.png

[stable basin]

but you double weave instead which causes you massive amount of clipping

all your clipping throughout the fight builds up to probably more than 10 gcds lost

[undone tide]

Also why assassinate and bhava in 1 gcd tho

[stable basin]

yeah you didn't weave for like 3 gcds after

so you have plenty of windows to weave

[undone tide]

Also trick and dwad in one gcd

[finite plank]

i understand that i'm needing to shave certain things

and I'm a bit annoyed that I'd really want to brush it off with it being caused by lag

[nova socket]

its more like you don't even do the opener correctly

[stable basin]

if you lag, don't double weave

that's why you keep losing gcds in trick

hence why you don't have a single proper trick window

[finite plank]

thank you for reminding me to do this

[undone tide]

were your gcds resetting because of your lag

[finite plank]

I'd like to welcome you to come beat me up

[finite plank]

if you mean the expired weapon skill, yes, I was mashing it and it didn't go off the way i wanted it

https://xivanalysis.com/fflogs/7dGhvVHBXQw6Mk1Y/7/110

this is the closest intense fight I had that seemed to be okay with some issues that needed to be cleaned up

and looking back

i really shouldn't be double weaving assassinate

[stable basin]

assassinate doesn't even have a cd

you can use it whenever

but yeah it's a lot of major things

[undone tide]

Holy fuck what the hell, this was the samurai in my clear run

he had cleared before too

[stable basin]

@finite plank btw your trick attack is drifting majorly throughout the whole fight

I know that there's no point in the fight where trick ever drifts

[finite plank]

that might take a while for e10s, i should be able to, absolutely no drift? even caused by lag?

maybe I should get it when there's minimal lag

I'd guess it's unreasonable for me to perform well for my first clear

[quick verge]

lag shouldn't affect your ability to

[sinful brook]

Lag shouldn't really be used as a reason to convince yourself that thats why you are drifting

[quick verge]

press trick on cd

[sinful brook]

Also you're asking for help on how to improve

Don't be mad when people are being realistic and critical

[quick verge]

it being your first time clearing also doesn't affect your ability to play your job properly

you should be getting very familiarized with the fight as you prog, continuing into your clear/reclears

[finite plank]

wish I could be emotionless so I can take help better. I'll try to figure out how much I can push without risking a wipe

[finite plank]

is this a drift?

[undone tide]

yes the white means your gcd was not rolling

[finite plank]

okay

thanks to the advice, i managed to improve a little bit

except...

there's more issues in the logs now

https://xivanalysis.com/fflogs/q3AP1aYkd7MfbJG6/3/6

1 death at 8 minutes ish due to tank orbs, not sure what happens after death, but im already not doing well

i'm not sure how to deal with this, i swear mashed it without double weaving

it didn't grey... somehow

oh my god i doubled weaved without knowing

[sinful brook]

the percentile is based on RDPS

[subtle bone]

what strat does pf use for e9s cubes

[steep falcon]

Cubes?

Tiles?

[subtle bone]

yea tiles

[serene lotus]

The "move to an open space and hope no one else has the same idea" one

[proper glen]

ideally you only move 3 times in tiles but everyone freaks out

[undone tide]

cough

[viscid coral]

could anyone in primal explain to me how people do tower in e9s here? ty.

[undone tide]

you pick tower spots

and then

what comes next may surprise you

you stand in the tower

[stable basin]

big if true

[undone tide]

if

[magic mantle]

whos down for sum o12s

[pallid gorge]

In e9s, can any dps job solo a mini cloud?

i meant solo it before it passes so i have to turn towards center to attack

[stiff steppe]

pretty sure it's doable with any dps job, though the ranged DPS player in my static has had some trouble with BRD and DNC due to variance

[lyric summit]

can always save same gauge

[foggy latch]

i did cloud easily

if whm can solo a cloud

any dps can

[dull radish]

The clouds only have like 133k HP. That's really not much with the amount on time you have for it

[foggy latch]

you have 20 secs to kill it

10 under look away debuff and 10 after

provided u are still in front of it the whole time

[uncut gate]

takes about what, 7 glares to kill a cloud?

without misery you'll cut it close to cloud getting to center

[foggy latch]

idk my whm kill it in 5

and he is i510

each glare do about about 27k at that ilvl

not accounting crits or dcrits

[hollow arch]

my healer probably wont be able to kill it

[undone tide]

tell your healer to git gud

get a melee to help

[nova socket]

just tell the healer to stop being brain damaged

[undone tide]

^

[stable basin]

killed e11

my parse is AWFUL

but i can imrpvoe next week

also no loot again :^)

[olive hearth]

Nice

[steep falcon]

Can't imagine being a healer during E12S first phase

[stable basin]

I wont have to imagine...

Whats the dps check /fight time for p1 and 2 of 12?

p1 is 125.5k over 8:29

p2 is 117k over 8:55 but 35s downtime

[steep falcon]

What is McDonalds strat and who put those names

[stable basin]

plus like 13 seconds of stun

Which puts it around 128k active dps

dps feels a bit tighter for door but they probably figure you'll get some dmg downs in final

[nova socket]

no dmg downs week 1 on tank easy r1

dps check is made around both tanks getting damage down on dual apoc

[undone tide]

McDonald's strat should be Stal's static's strat since they're named say mcdonalds to skip cutscene

[stable basin]

125k over 8minutes?

Ooof

That's rougher than 11

makes sense since it's the fourth floor

[nova socket]

Ive got logs with 129k in i500

having crafted pentamelded gear makes that not a real dps check

[stable basin]

I see

[nova socket]

125.5k is on the edge if skipping fury14 last second

[arctic oyster]

Ayyy emerald weapon down

Granted I did still die to that combo of soldiers and airships....

But hey, cleared. I’m gonna call it a win still even if low-key I got a bit carried

[foggy latch]

my group suck at e12s p1 help

[quick verge]

tell them to do the mechanics better

[foggy latch]

i told em

they still suck at it

[quick verge]

what are they screwing up lol

[foggy latch]

when i told em that they said

oh look he is phys ranger

he lose no uptime and positionals

easy job

diamond dust some ppl fuck it up

then ppl fuck up pushback+ release combo

or fuck up lions

like ffs we cleared this

why we need 4+ extra hours past our 1st clear to clear p1 again?

seriously they pissed the fuck off me

and we can only raid tomorrow

so rip week 2 clear

week 3 is xmas too

so rip week 3 clear too

[dull radish]

I know that feeling

[quick verge]

unlucky

[foggy latch]

if my job as phys ranger is that easy

how about u shitheads play it

so u dont fuck up shit

we were 3% ahead of enrage

but no im not gonna miss single gcd in downtime mechs

to make sure its done right

[steep falcon]

E12S phase one is so easy

And people keep failing Shiva or Titan or the Statues, the only difficult part is maybe Lions

I need a new static

[foggy latch]

same unironically

u need to be super bad to fuck up titan

let alone shiva

even lions isnt even hard

but i say lions is hardest part of p1

mechs wise i say e12s p1 is easier than even e11s

the only thing hard in e12s p1 is the tight dps check

you need clean run for a clear or very late deaths

[steep falcon]

My static wanted me to go RDM or they will replace me so I just left

Just do mechanics and don't die on Shiva or Titan. Easy

[stable basin]

yikes

their loss

[steep falcon]

[foggy latch]

[steep falcon]

I even wenr further doing pugs for e12s

[stable basin]

I feel like shiva and lion rampant are "failure is always an option" mechs

[steep falcon]

[stable basin]

what is this man even saying

[steep falcon]

And I was doing not-optimal BLM strats to have melee have uptime since I like to parse when I am BiS. Not this early smh

[stable basin]

I thought uptime lions was jp lions

[steep falcon]

It is CN hahaha

[foggy latch]

its china

so technically jp

[steep falcon]

[foggy latch]

uptime lions isnt bad tbh

[steep falcon]

Need to find a new static. In thr meantime I will prog e12s

With pugs!

[stable basin]

gl with pf

[foggy latch]

gl in pf

[steep falcon]

I went to lion multiple times this night in PF

Most people in e12s this early are somehow good players. Unless they wouldnt be this fR

[foggy latch]

im going brd in e12s today

[steep falcon]

Far

[foggy latch]

dnc is just cursed and cancer there

[steep falcon]

Imagine me. Looking for uptime tacticz for BLM

[foggy latch]

well

uptime lions have least movement

even to casters

imagine going near far lion

only to come close due intercardinals inside release

[stable basin]

our dnc switched to brd too

he loved it and healer loved it

cuz he can troub shiva and not have tech getting in the way

[foggy latch]

healer told me i would grief em going brd

idk how

i can samba shiva

and tech under it

but man doing that right take 40% of my brain power alone

[steep falcon]

https://streamable.com/fhl78h pug strats

[stable basin]

I need a separate notebook entry just for PF titan

just stare at this

[foggy latch]

have dps always right

tanks/healers always left

easy

only adjustment needed is who go north/south at 2nd wave if both healers / both dps had blue

rest is you have static spot for every color that wont change

[nova socket]

[foggy latch]

@steep falcon yup this

super easy fury

[visual geyser]

@dire star ask in #glamour-discussion

[dire star]

Oh shoot my b wrong channel

[subtle bone]

finally beat e12 lol

got mount and chest

[dull radish]

congrats <3

[subtle bone]

ty!

[olive hearth]

Good job!

[sage berry]

Which melee DPS has the highest skill ceiling?

[subtle bone]

maybe.. monk

[lyric summit]

after the monk rework i'd say ninja

[sage berry]

Thought that ninja after commiting mudras to memoryt and after your burst phase is pretty chill

[finite plank]

it is, what do you think of monk now

[steep falcon]

For me is SAM

Pretty big brain stuff going on there, it is easy to drift as a SAM, it has a very strict rotation and you have to pay attention to Kenki which fill super fast and your Sen/Shoha stuff.

NIN once you are comfortable with Mudras is easy, outside of Trick Attack is a very relaxing job. You spend most of your mudras on your burst phase. I haven't tried MNK so I can't really give my opinion there, same with DRG, I only played DRG on casual content.

[sage berry]

Samurai being easy is a bit of a misnomer i'd say yeah

[stable basin]

looping rotation makes sam big brain

L70 rotation is very smoothbrain (and fun!)

but you get punshed hard at L80 for not making everything line up every 60s

[steep falcon]

Yus yus. I don't know why people say SAM is easy, they haven't tried optimizing SAM for savage, that is where really big brain stuff come in place, speaking on a optimal way to play SAM and not freestyling.

[sage berry]

So would difficulty (In savage and higher) be SAM>DRG>NIN>Monk?

[stable basin]

I feel like DRG is pretty easy

[steep falcon]

I haven't tried DRG or MNK for endgame stuff, so I can't give my opinion on those.

[stable basin]

Any job has complexity optimizing at the high end but I find it hard to envision a more straightforward base rotation than DRG

[steep falcon]

Uh I think SAM has only 2 positionals, and their positional is more Kenki gauge and not actually dmg increase. NIN has 3 positionals I think. DRG has 4 I think and MNK 6?

[stable basin]

There's total number and there's how often you do them

Nin has two total but does one on every melee combo

[steep falcon]

Isn't Trick a positional too?

[stable basin]

DRG has a 10-hit combo with five positionals over the course of it

u rite

[steady pebble]

more kenki itself may not being a dmg increase

[stable basin]

MNK has 6 total and does on one every GCD

[steady pebble]

but you're still missing dmg when you aren't hitting your positions due to less shinten

[stable basin]

SAM has two total and eight GCDs to press over the course of getting all its stickers but during Meikyo is doing 2-3 in succession

[steep falcon]

read the next one

[steady pebble]

you should try reading my second comment

[wheat marsh]

considering i semi-know DRG's stuff (havent used on high end 80 stuff), bad on SAM positions/gauge use, suffered not remembering NIN combos/positions, and definitely don't know MNK optimal rotation, I'm pretty certain DRG is easiest.

[quick verge]

i'd put dragoon on the easier side in terms of optimization for melees

a lot of what you can do to maximize dps, like changing buff timings, or deciding when to delay a life window after the first (mostly never) can be dictated before the encounter

and isn't mechanically taxing to put into practice

[stable basin]

suffered not remembering NIN combos/positions
???