endgame-lounge

[simple sky]

you just had to put it together

[stable basin]

Voidwalker dps check was a lot tighter and there was more spaghetti at the end

[quick verge]

e7s was uncharacteristically easy though

there was like no mechanics

[stable basin]

And e6s is definitely not easier than like o10s

[quick verge]

and again, no dps check

[simple sky]

e7s was super cool fight but so boring

and easy

like why did they waste it 😦

I imagine they made changes to the puddles before they actually launched the patch

[drowsy agate]

they probably thought portals were harder than they were

[simple sky]

no way they originally let you stack em

[drowsy agate]

[simple sky]

i guess

[subtle bone]

Portals couldve been as hard as they imagined too

[stable basin]

they put too many rules on portals

[subtle bone]

With 1 more line of rng

[simple sky]

either way I haven't touched this game in several months

[torn kindle]

Should’ve added another color

[simple sky]

lmao

[stable basin]

They made e5-7 easy so they could make us miserable with e8

[torn kindle]

exploding orb sound intensifies

[quick verge]

gaming

[lyric summit]

powerful

[foggy latch]

gz

kinda remind me of this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/732208446924914688/783436716659965962/unknown.png

[surreal garden]

respecting mechanics in 2020

[foggy latch]

thats the whole idea of ultimates

[nova socket]

sounds lame

Imagine not greeding

[undone tide]

why live if you can't greed

[hallow oxide]

lol 10 potency buff on bards is that going to do anything for them

[lyric summit]

it's the most used gcd so yes

[elfin hinge]

So is anyone else in the camp that. Gaia and the cod looking boss will be the same fight or is it just me?

[subtle marsh]

There was never any expectation that any class aside from monk would be getting a rework or any significant changes. So stop complaining.

[steep falcon]

I would've increased dot potency by 5 as well

[sage slate]

Yes it will. It's BRD's highest source of damage over a long fight so it's more significant than it looks. It's not like, life changing but it's gonna be nice. Crossing my fingers it'll put us above DNC at the 95th+ percentile like we should be

[stable basin]

It's more significant than it looks at first glance but I'm estimating it around a 1% buff which I don't think is enough

[steady pebble]

just how big is the gap between phys ranged and the rest, out of curiousity

since reddit keeps mentioning that the buffs to drg/changes to mnk only helped to widen it

[sage slate]

Too big tbh

[steep falcon]

Didn't they said that the difference between top SAM dps and top BRD is like 6%?

[sage slate]

It closer to 10% but it's not really the raw number that's the issue. Like you can look at the graphs and see the gap between even MCH who is a no utility class and then DRG the next highest

Like, I'm not saying any of them should be on top but still

[steep falcon]

Physical ranged should always be bottom 3

[sage slate]

Eh I don't buy that either

[steep falcon]

Like it is now

[sage slate]

Like why though? Because they're mobile? So is SMN. Because some are simple? So is SAM

[stable basin]

The more I look at things the harder it is to actually compare jobs against each other

But like DNC is a bit over 3% lower than DRG for 95th e5s

And DRG gets buffs so that's increasing

[steep falcon]

SAM is not easy

[sage slate]

Compared to basically every other melee, yes it is

And yet it's the highest in the game

[steep falcon]

NIN and DRG are easier than SAM

[sage slate]

Nah

[steep falcon]

Where's your SAM parses

[subtle bone]

[stable basin]

I don't disagree with easier jobs having lower dmg than harder jobs when played optimally but the gap is really big between all phys ranged and everything else rn

[steep falcon]

You can't compare a freestyle SAM or just playing SAM in casual content against savage. Optimizing SAM this tier is really hard, try to drift a single time and say goodbye to your parse

[subtle bone]

Doesnt that apply to every job

Drift = die

[steep falcon]

Yeah some jobs are easier than the others, BLM is very very easy and is top 2/3 dps atm. But is not just me that says Physical Ranged should be bottom 3 dps, SE is balancing the jobs like that

[stable basin]

My issue basically boils down to the fact that double melee is standard, double caster is viable, and double phys ranged is trolling

I think SE is wrong to put them so far down

[subtle bone]

O thats true

[sage slate]

And yes mada you are correct about drift

And I do think they should make phys ranged more difficult in their rotations to make up for uptime not being an issue

Esp DNC if they're going to be the highest at the top end

[steep falcon]

Again, more difficult doesn't mean that they do more damage. Without going far into the physical ranged. MCH and DNC have a very straightforward easy rotation, compared to BRD, which has to manage dots, songs, procs and is still underperforming.

BRD right not it just doesn't feel rewarding

[sage slate]

But isn't that your argument for putting them on the bottom?

So which is it?

[steep falcon]

They don't have to care about positionals nor being immobile, they're bound to be bottom 3 in dps

Is not because I said it, that is how SE is balancing them.

If you wanna complain do it with SE. I'm happy with them being bottom 3

[sage slate]

I know that, but it sounds like you're defending that and at the same time saying that's not how balance should be

[subtle bone]

Umm i think hes saying phys range should do more dmg + have hardest rotations in the game to make it even

[sage slate]

That would be how I would do it yes

[subtle bone]

Which makes sense

[steep falcon]

Try PF look how Physical Range are the player that has the easy part and yet they somehow fail something

[subtle bone]

Ya , phys range is so easy and do little damages that i believe ppl freestyle and dont give a shit knowing the party wants them for the 1%

Its also true bad players still do bad on phys range

[steep falcon]

They already have the easiest part of any fight because of their playstyle, of course they're bound to be bottom 3 dps, but the bottom dps and the top dps difference is not that high, assuming both players are playing their job at their full potential.

[sage slate]

Except "not that high" is relative

[steep falcon]

a 95 parse MCH and a 95 parse BLM dps difference is so minimal.

[stable basin]

Yeah I disagree that it's not too high

Gonna put up a reminder that anything I say about balance only applies to week 1, ultimate, speedruns, and sometimes parse runs where you want to skip a mechanic

Because that's when balance actually matters

But I did week 1 prog with double phys ranged in gate and one straight up just had to play mnk on e4s

[sage slate]

Eh I think it matters beyond that because you just want your class to feel rewarding and like it's in relatively good spot regardless of when you're playing

[stable basin]

He got a 9th percentile with considerably higher rdps than the #1 brd

And that's just shameful

Granted things are a bit better tuned now

But the problem is still there

[sage slate]

Like, I honeslty don't care that phys ranged is the bottom 3 though I still don't buy the argument for why. I care that they are quite a bit below the next lowest

[stable basin]

Agreed

And I think what makes phys ranged balance feel soo bad is the fact that it's not viable to run two so like

if DNC is the best you run DNC, end of story

You don't run DNC+BRD

But melees you can run like SAM+DRG and it's not awful

[steep falcon]

Again, just watch the numbers, top bard and top sam dps is not that big of a difference, but they're still bottom 3.

[stable basin]

Or any two casters

99th sam is 11% higher than 99th brd

in rdps for e5s

that's way too much

Jobs are tightly balanced but fights are even more tightly tuned

(Also I think comparing rdps actually undervalues sam because it lines up very well with raidbuffs where brd does not)

[steep falcon]

I think at this point it is just a stigma, MCH is doing pretty well, if you can play it optimally, and MCH doesn't have RNG involved. But people are already used to two melee or two caster comp. Physical ranged spot is nowadays for DNC because DNC utility it is just better than bringing a MCH or a BRD. And yeah you can bring a BRD and still clear the fight.

[stable basin]

(You can see that sam is ahead of blm in adps despite being behind in rdps for example because it works well with raidbuffs)

It's not a stigma it's "I have done it and it's absolutely awful"

[quick verge]

double ranged is so terrible

[steep falcon]

If is for week 1 clear

[quick verge]

feels absolutely awful to prog with cause you see every mechanic until week 3-4

[stable basin]

see this static

we had to stop playing double phys ranged

[subtle bone]

Prog meta is different anyway

[stable basin]

cuz it wasn't good enough

with these ppl on dps

[sage slate]

I got annoyed with the whole assumption DNC is the best ranged choice because that's only true if the DNC and the partner and team are 95th precentile or higher which yeah for world teams sure but not most people

And yet that's what they just assume anyway

[stable basin]

There's definitely a lot of cargo cult mentality

Which is why I think jobs should be balanced for 95th-99th percentile

Cuz if a job is good in speedruns but bad casually then casuals still play it

But if it's good casually but bad in speedruns casuals still avoid it

To an extent, of course

Fun/job fantasy still has a big part in popularity

but there's pressure exerted on usage

[subtle bone]

I think if anyone asks what to play this tier everyone would say caster haha

[steep falcon]

[subtle bone]

Balance wise, casuals are simply ok with every job being viable. And hardcore sweaty ppl only care where they place themselves among others in the same class?

So maybe comparing jobs doesnt matter too much

[stable basin]

"hardcore sweaty ppl" care about relative balance for speed and for beating week 1 dps check

also for ultimate

and ultimate I'd argue also goes well beyond just hardcore sweats but my perspective might be skewed

[subtle bone]

Yea there will always be meta comps regardless of balance too

[agile gate]

as casual I care more about quality of life changes

like instant cast fairy

[subtle bone]

Cast time for fairy was dumb as hell foreal

[viscid wadi]

i never knew there was a server filter/tab

[marble obsidian]

Mobility is not a floor that establish a good DPS like way too many non-ranged player thinks.
It's a ceiling that prevents you from being a better DPS.

[uncut cove]

Balance wise, casuals are simply ok with every job being viable.
this, because its more important to casuals/softcore players to get better at their class then playing the top class. if they enjoy it they will play it

[agile gate]

as SCH i dont like wasting a GCD summoning a fairy after being res, just to get my Aetherflow stacks because Aetherflow is on cooldown.

[lyric summit]

https://twitter.com/FFsfia/status/1336288078923661316

🧅 Sfi 🧅 (@FFsfia)

E9S @ 7.34 AM eST

Twitter · Dec 8, 2020, 12:34 PM

[quick verge]

https://mogtalk.org/edens-promise/

[drowsy agate]

so i'm not a math master

i just eyeballed the crafted vs eden normal sets

does this look about right for i510 "bis"?

for casters

assuming no pmeld of course

[dull radish]

what do the stat totals look like for BLM, roughly. I wouldn't really use this as far as specific recommendations or anything, especially since we're solving for options (and it's very awkward to recommend a 510 BiS with pieces that you wont' be able to get the full set of for more than a week or two) but I can eyeball the stats and give a rough impression

[drowsy agate]

i'm honestly just using it for a week 1 reference

so i know what gear to aim for

also i fixed it a bit

you know what

let me fix it one more time

gonna add another column for savage

[dull radish]

the problem is, for BLM the answer isn't "oh just go with everything that's sps". And it doesn't really indicate anything towards what you should be picking up

since for RDM/SMN for example you list 5 things from eden normal, which are going to take 3 weeks at minimum to get

I like the idea of the first few columns just showing what secondaries are on each piece

I don't like the idea of specifically recommending gear pieces based off of it

[drowsy agate]

it's honestly just for myself and my FC/static lol

so our casters know what the stat distro looks like

i think for myself personally I'm going to grab two accessories and maybe the feet this week

maybe i'll start going for tome legs right away

[dull radish]

tome legs are a pretty solid investment

but yeah, especially this tier things might even be looking a little bit more crit biased for BLM too (but we'll have to see where the sets end up with after the recalc), so recommending "just pick sps pieces" won't be strictly true and wouldn't be something I would consider as i510 BiS for them

[drowsy agate]

yeah i know blm sps is a bit of a mixed bag since there's speed tiers to consider

it's mainly just for an eyeball reference

[dull radish]

for me I just see like, misinformation is very easy. I'm not gonna call something BiS that's just a rough guess

or just a case of "these pieces have sps on them", you know?

[drowsy agate]

just gonna call it "early"

and not "bis"

[dull radish]

that's...better, but I dunno

I'd just call it what it is

crit pieces without sps

and sps pieces

[lyric summit]

https://twitter.com/FFsfia/status/1336341269136564224

🧅 Sfi 🧅 (@FFsfia)

TPS kills e10s @ 11:05EST

Twitter · Dec 8, 2020, 4:06 PM

[drowsy agate]

maybe interesting to note that the i535 e12s weapon for BLM runs crit/dhit

[dull radish]

mmhmm

[shrewd dune]

for e9 s

the laser part

is like whole map that can wipe

we supposed to spread but who

[lyric summit]

which laser part

cause like.. every attack is a laser

[elder pond]

Is there a new relic weapon quest?

Or upgrade rather

[lyric summit]

in 5.45

[elder pond]

Thank you!

How about... relic tools..?

[sinful brook]

Same thing

[elder pond]

Ah, ty. I was misinformed.

[wispy scroll]

Did they change Cids voice actor?

[flat axle]

Where can I get 485 gear to start edens raid besides the market?

[visual geyser]

Bozja

Oh that’s 495

[lyric summit]

buy 490 tome gear

[wheat marsh]

i have a feeling im going to floor tank emerald extreme hard

[last geode]

Whats the e12s transition boss?

[lyric summit]

no one got to e12s yet

[last geode]

Hmm ok

Someone posted on the WR stream that a jp group has reached e12 so I was wondering if anyone here knows about that

[lyric summit]

a lot of groups don't stream their prog not to give away mechanics and strats for other groups

frosty's world race stream has the furthest streamed prog https://www.twitch.tv/frosty_tv

[last geode]

Yup Im watching it now

[lyric summit]

but tps and entropy are on 12s according to https://mogtalk.org/edens-promise/, though not all clears get reported as well, mostly jp

[last geode]

How does e11s compare to e7s in terms of difficulty?

[lyric summit]

probably about the same, can't really tell until more strats get figured out and more mechanics are known, i haven't been watching streams of 11s much

portals in e7s were supposed to be difficult too but after a few weeks people realized there's only 2 patterns

too early to compare

[last geode]

True

Fair enough

Thanks

[stable basin]

Given how hard e9s is I would be shocked if e11s was nearly as easy as e7s

They said e11s will be the prog stopper but gl clearing e9s in pf

[lyric summit]

e9s doesn't look too bad except for the tiles

[stable basin]

the mechanics aren't particularly hard imo but it's extremely punishing

[lyric summit]

ah fuck i cant believe youve done this

(e12s spoiler)

[torn kindle]

Inb4 black smokers return

Or whatever that weird puddle in E3S was

[steep falcon]

Hmm!? O3Y2

Yeah that was Black Smokers

[wheat marsh]

welp. 30 mins mostly trying to figure out orbs XD

[drowsy agate]

i'm not going to watch anything just yet

my static's planning on doing all the normals blind tonight

then i'll tune in to world first

but at this point world first might be over by the time i get to see it

[daring dome]

e9s is a pretty fun fight

will be a complete mess in pf

[shrewd dune]

did u clear

[stable basin]

Fuck i dont wanna do e9s in pf

E10 makes me think of ||hallowed wings and mirror mirror|| and i now hate it

[shrewd dune]

its amazing how people clear e9s already

[sinful brook]

Some people are on e12s

[stable basin]

^

Maaaaaan i gotta make other gear sets

Im interested to see how quickly e10 puggers will show up in PF

[steep falcon]

E9S is very very Titania feeling

[stable basin]

I can see that

Gives me e5 vibes

E5 and.. something else

[steep falcon]

I'm doing blind. I don't even know if the waymarks that I am using are good or not

[stable basin]

I sae a clear that had them on cardinals

Saw*

Halfway between middle and edge

If that helps

[steep falcon]

[stable basin]

Naruhodo

They only had 4

Abcd

I'll have to prog myself though

[olive hearth]

@steep falcon are those markers for the puddle drops

[steep falcon]

[olive hearth]

I'll steal this thank

[steep falcon]

Dunno what PF uses

[hardy shoal]

I watched people clear e9s-e11s

took them 16 hours @_@

e12s to follow later as they rest up

[drowsy agate]

where can i watch the world first race

[last geode]

Twitch

Frosty's channel

[drowsy agate]

is there any one preferred channel

oh

[last geode]

Still waiting on that e12s transition

[drowsy agate]

is this NA only?

looks like NA hasn't hit e12s yet but I heard JP is on it already

[wheat marsh]

i saw an E12 on aether

[shrewd dune]

they are so big brain

knows how to do it

[steady pebble]

there's a couple of JP streamers on twitch so honestly just take your pick of anyone who's streaming in the 14 category

[steep falcon]

Now we using dis

[glossy musk]

NA has been on e12s for a long time

They were the first as far as we know unless we're talking pugs

[dapper plinth]

Same for EU

[glossy musk]

Yeah checked. TPS is the first reported but they don’t stream

So that’s NA

Entropy is EU so like Leo said

Looks like Australia/NZ also beat JP unless JP just isn’t reporting

[dapper plinth]

Yeah, team like tps entropy etc never stream

[pure hawk]

Hi are there any screenahots of eden 12s second form?

[torn grotto]

I dont know but i am hyped for second phase

[craggy galleon]

Any E10S notes compiled anywhere?

[shrewd beacon]

AST priorty is det or ss for raids?

well crit then det right

ah nvm found a guide

[unkempt cypress]

how do you handle the cross AOE sword in emerald savage

my brain got smoothed out

[torn kindle]

A strat I saw in a video had everyone on one side of the arena and then run to the other side after the aoes are placed

To avoid needing precise placement

In terms of the “intended” strat I assume SE wanted players to make a formation like this.

+X+
X-X
+X+

Making the middle a safe spot

...unless you’re talking about a different set of sword aoes

[lyric summit]

if you mean tertius then just stand on the lines on 3rd swords and dodge to the lines of 1st swords

[unkempt cypress]

i meant tetrius or w/e that move was called

i will try that

[lost trench]

Damn these raids dropped yesterday, calm down people xD

[stable basin]

Wait jesus tates on e12?

[lyric summit]

https://twitter.com/fez_Culul/status/1336682807226068992 world first p1 e12s clear with double jobs?

[quick verge]

is it known how long door boss is?

[lyric summit]

8:30 - 9 minute enrage

https://www.mildom.com/10058323 strim

seems to kinda melt

[grim sage]

is there a clip of the transition

[steep falcon]

I made dis

[stable basin]

put tanks/melees on intercards and ranged/healers on cards so when it's half arena you have the ranged step out

[steep falcon]

mkay

because that is clock positions to avoid confusion

[nova socket]

why do u hate ur tanks so much

[drowsy agate]

doesn't the ninja need to move too?

[quick verge]

refresh prior to the start of the gif

and you have plenty of time to stand on your platform

but yeah i wouldn't really

place the tanks on the outside, ever

[torn kindle]

Does Savage do anything special in terms of multiple people on the same platform?

[olive hearth]

From what I've heard, 2+ people on it at once, it falls right away

[steep falcon]

yea

it is instant-fall

[subtle bone]

https://i.imgur.com/0P0gRtO.png e11 now :o

looks spook

[olive hearth]

Nice

[stable basin]

naisu

[steep falcon]

mkay tank uptime

[stable basin]

TPS cleared E12

[steep falcon]

NA

[glossy musk]

NA always wins baybeeeeeeeee

[stable basin]

👌

[stable basin]

I found a cool strat for emerald it's called just pop all my cooldowns for the buster instead of using living dead

[quick verge]

cool strat I look forward to using it

[steep falcon]

I like cool strats

[sinful brook]

oh shit a new tech i've never seen before cats how did you find something so innovative @stable basin

[stable basin]

[dry bison]

What's the big brain tech for figuring out the swordsplosions in Emerald

I'm tired of getting wrecked by them

[wispy scroll]

Fun fact, if you invuln the tank stack in emerald as GNB/PLD at just the right time, the game freaks out and shirks all the damage onto the other tank xD. Happened 3 times in our prog party, funniest thing I ever saw

[lost trench]

Damn people are already in the 2nd Phase of E12S

I hope they don't clear it soon

[hardy shoal]

There’re three clears already tho

[foggy latch]

the fuck is E10S last phase

holy shit alot of stuff happen there

[torn kindle]

Darkness within darkness

[daring dome]

did e10s yesterday and didnt clear but holy shit

i really hate direction based mechanics

the fight just fucking spams them and all of us suck at them so we got stuck a little

[dull radish]

it can take a bit to get used to, especially since some people visualize/process that sort of thing differently

[daring dome]

yeah we needed some time to make it braindead in our heads

now giga slash x4

trying to find a braindead strat for that one

[dull radish]

well it's basically roughly two patterns yeah? One where you just rotate around with it (technically can get away with just two movements) or the other one where it's one side -> opposite side -> adjacent side -> opposite side of that. I could imagine which adjacent side it is for the third one being a bit fixed too but I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to if that's static or not

[subtle bone]

No

Well kinda

[dull radish]

I've never seen it not in one of those two patterns

like I haven't seen it spawn, for example, S -> W -> E -> N

for the first shadow on S it's either:
S -> N -> W -> E or S -> N -> E -> W
or
S -> W -> N -> E (rotate ccw) or S -> E -> N -> W (rotate cw)

"patterns" is a bit of a loose term for this I suppose, but it's moreso just to say it's not jumbled up in particular, it's either rotate around or it goes by opposite side pairs

[subtle bone]

So early my brain...

Afaik there is no resolving it with just rotating?

[dull radish]

there is

just checked a vod from last night where we had that pattern, was last pull. Shadow spawned on south, cleaving to the right, with the next shadows spawning E -> N -> W. So W -> S -> E -> N was the safe zones for each cleave. Of course you don't have to move for each necessarily if you position on corners but those represented the safe halves of the arena for each cleave

[subtle bone]

O right, but i dont think you can predetermine that itll be rotate

Until maybe shadow 2

[dull radish]

yeah you need to see the second shadow

but it spawns pretty early

[subtle bone]

Idk... havent seen many pattern we got thru first time on that mech

Yea true

So in theory it can be rotate or north south - east west ?

[dull radish]

yeah I've either seen a pattern where you rotate cw/ccw, or that the second shadow spawns on the opposite side of the first one

if the second one spawns adjacent you should just be fine to rotate

if the second one spawns on the opposite side of the first one then it's not just rotating around. If you're on W for the first dodge, your second dodge will be to the E for example. Then you either go N/S, and then swap to the opposite side of that for the 4th

it sounds more complicated than it is haha

but it's a pretty straightforward resolution, you don't specifically have to rush to figure out each cleave as it goes out

[subtle bone]

So you think there is no pattern that is — (for final safe) n e w s

[dull radish]

I believe that is the case

NEWS, NWES, WNSE, WSNE, SWEN, SEWN, ENSW, ESNW I believe should all be invalid patterns

[subtle bone]

Interesting

[dull radish]

of course I'm not completely positive on this but I don't think I've seen anything to the contrary

[foggy latch]

@daring dome i got easy braindead way for gig slash

look at shadow

look at bossarm

if left sword

go left of shadow

while looking at it

[daring dome]

yeah thats not the braindead way thats just the regular way

[subtle bone]

Thats not braindead

[dull radish]

that's the resolution of the mechanic

[foggy latch]

left go left

right go right

[dull radish]

that's nothing special or new

[foggy latch]

i know ppl go behind shadow

to see where to go

and look from behind

[dull radish]

first I've heard of that

[subtle bone]

Also if u explained like that ppl would surely die because if its left sword and you tell them to just look at shadow without orientation while shadow spawned N which would make east safe, ppl would most likely go to west

Orienting your camera to find safe is exactly what confuses ppl during the 4x cleaves, nothing else

So when you solve the shadows 1 by 1, if you fall behind you get lost (thats at least what i see happen to most people)

[dull radish]

mmhmm

that's why I like the idea of it being either rotate cw/ccw, or for the other pattern you only have to think about two shadows (1st and 3rd) then just step over the centerline for 2nd and 4th

[stable basin]

Progged most of 11

fun fight

[subtle bone]

11 is ait,, music sucks

I can kind of see 11 being the most puggable fight

[supple sail]

Shadow is its tail

Ez

[undone tide]

What's the best strat for E9S brambles?

Using braindead rn and its working well, anything better?

[steep falcon]

[drowsy agate]

if it's working well for you why change it

it's week 1, nothing can be considered "best strat"

just whatever's comfortable for you and your group

i don't think people figured out braindead e7s or sharingan/ilya strat for e8s until weeks after

[stable basin]

what the heck is toolbox bramble

also wtf is braindead brambles

[undone tide]

https://youtu.be/LG-u6XCTibc

[olive hearth]

Pile shared that strat a bit ago

[stable basin]

So I recently learned about the gear limit per character and now I'm kinda sad.

I mean, does this mean that there is no real point to leveling alt jobs?

Like you can't actually bring them to maximum mastery because of the gear limit, yeah?

[olive hearth]

Gear limit?

Like what you can hold?

[stable basin]

Like the maximum item level of the gear you can get. I heard that the point of having multiple characters is that you want one per job. Something about allegory stones and the limit you can have on them...?

[steady pebble]

the weekly locks get lifted eventually

[stable basin]

Cool because I really don't want to use an alt at all.

[steady pebble]

but yes, right now getting several jobs to max ilvl is going to take awhile

due to the weekly lockout on savage

though revelations is always going to be weekly capped

[stable basin]

Yeah leveling an alt toon sounds like torture to me.

I lived through post-ARR once, and that's more than enough for me.

[steady pebble]

i mean for the average person

there's no reason to have multiple characters anyway

its only for the super hardcore raiders who want to raid on multiple jobs but even then that's not...really important

since pentalmelded crafted gear is good enough

[stable basin]

Ahh okay.

Well that's a relief.

[lapis scaffold]

this is a macro i made for E9S. let me know what you guys think

[steep falcon]

uhh, the onee that says Plants is... Puddles?

[lapis scaffold]

some people are calling it plants, some puddles

i'll just do plants/puddles

[steep falcon]

Yeah that is a weird way to drop puddles

[lapis scaffold]

thats ilya strat, rn

although its basically chaos

for breaking tethers

[steep falcon]

[lapis scaffold]

Updated the naming to plants/puddles

[stable basin]

that setup won't work with stacks during panels

wait disregard

[lapis scaffold]

this also gives tank uptime, it just might be a bit annoying for the ranged players, as they have to move quite a bit

[steep falcon]

Dunno, that Puddle position looks kinda weird for me

[subtle marsh]

laughs in lightspeed

[lapis scaffold]

If its stupid but it works, it ain't stupid

[proper glen]

The ilya strat for puddles is awful

[steep falcon]

And the Spread and Stack. The OT has to run all the way to north

Just make the T/H rotate clockwise or DPS rotate clockwise

[lapis scaffold]

ah yes, i see

should be better like this then

[warm mesa]

Hey is there any achievements or titles for duoing palace of the dead?

[olive hearth]

There are a few

Oh

Well still,

Nothing special for duo

[warm mesa]

Only for solo?

[olive hearth]

Yea solo has special Achievements, but doing it with others you can still get some of them

iirc getting to floor 100/200 is an achievement in general

[warm mesa]

Any titles when duoing? A friend of mine recalls a title called the lonely duo or something like that

[olive hearth]

Nope

[warm mesa]

Thanks

[lapis scaffold]

@steep falcon i switched a changed a few things. added mrhappy's puddles strategy. this macro should suffice for the fight

for everyone else, This is a macro for E9S

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/kaqvby/e9s_macro_using_ilya_and_mrhappy_strat/

[steep falcon]

Uhh

The Wide one

Tanks will die

I mean, not die, they will get dmg down debuff

They should stack on the sides too, isn't?

[quick verge]

they move to the correct side and then move out after the cleave

[steep falcon]

Oh I didn't read

For PF should be ok for that panel

yus yus

[lapis scaffold]

good, took me quite a bit to figure it all out and make a nice looking macro out of it

and for those that think its usefull

[strong timber]

peak pug gameplay

lowkey the most random thing I've ever seen happen in a pug

[quick verge]

seems legit

[lapis scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG-u6XCTibc Use MrHappy strat using applying it like this

[steep falcon]

Voidgate Amplifier

[undone tide]

This group is using Mith strat and I'm fucking dying

God this strat is GARBAGE

[steep falcon]

Mith strat?

Wha fight

[undone tide]

e9s

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/QTw4PcH

Well it's better now that i melded some sks

This fight is actually really fun, getting to second art consistently, not totally clean tho

[strong timber]

God pugs are so bad

[torn kindle]

This prog group for emerald EX wanted to do some weird go-kart strat for the orbs

“Oh yes let’s put triple the unneeded stress on healers that now have to heal on the move for very little if any gain”

[strong timber]

Lol

[quick verge]

just do the 1+1/1+1/1+1/1+1 strat

[torn kindle]

YEAH

but this group wanted to do a 4/4 thing

[undone tide]

4/4 is actual garbage

2222 is best imo

[strong timber]

boutta pull one of the oldest tricks in the book

dc mid pull

[stable basin]

Theoretically 4s would be easier on healers than 2s because there's more time but idk how that pans out in reality

I learned it doing 4s then have only done 2s since

and ofc with 2s people could just run to the edge of the hitbox and chill for max time to get healed

[subtle bone]

yay beat e11s

fun fight

[torn kindle]

4 feels a lot more healing intensive

2/2/2/2 is easier if you stack shields to hell

Not like you really need shields any other time during phase 1

[stable basin]

4/4 is better

You only have to heal once and there's less confusion/easier to reach ppl for heals

When i did it on whm i just used an aoe lily after 2nd orb and everyone survived, albeit low

Sch i crit shielded and dropped an indom after 3rd just to make sure no one died

Healing feels roughly the same

[stable basin]

it's the same total damage either way

[undone tide]

2222 imo is better because on PLD starting with FoF opener I lose 0 gcds from orbs

And if I eat certain mechanics I can get 100% uptime

[steep falcon]

E10S prog, my brain ahhh~

[stable basin]

become the shadow

[foggy latch]

become warrior of darkness

[finite plank]

what difficulty would there be if the DPS are put in the healer's position?

[subtle bone]

idk why you have a melee dps far out

[lapis scaffold]

Thats not the strat i sent, and also not what i am telling people to do.
Drop puddles according to mrhappy strat. Before tethers appear, dps move to 1 of the save zones, tanks and healers to the other. Tethers appear and all you have to do to break them is run forwards to the other safe spot

[lapis scaffold]

To kill clouds, but that won't be needed later on

[unkempt cypress]

as a healer 4/4 is easier, it requires 2 capable people as opposed to 8

[subtle bone]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/786782900846329856/786841304658345984/unknown.png our e12 titan bomb diagram lel

[steep falcon]

@finite plank this gives uptime to everyone. Tanks/Melee on Intercard while Healers/Ranged on Cardinal.

[finite plank]

may the pubs in PF for elemental use it in the future

because I have no idea when I'll be starting it

[daring dome]

one of our e10s runs bugged out for us lmao

3 orange floating orbs stayed in the arena

confusing as fuck

[stable basin]

monka

[subtle bone]

Forever?

Lol thats weird

[dull radish]

oh yeah I've heard of that happening

also I'm pretty sure I ended up seeing a pattern different from what I was talking about yesterday for the shadows so I'm leaning more towards that it is just random and you have to pay attention to each one

[subtle bone]

Yup i think so too

[dull radish]

bit of a shame, but oh well

would have been kinda nice haha

the cozy thing is getting used to knowing when you actually have to move or not, instead of always moving directly opposite the cleave

[stable basin]

Who designed e12s

was it God Kefka guy

cuz this fight absolutely abuses healers

[subtle bone]

Idk but phase 1 is a joke ...

[quick tartan]

whats the best strat for emerald orbs p1?

for PF*

i see a lot trying to do pairs but it just doesnt work, theres no coordination

[subtle bone]

Why doesnt it work? Pugs been doing pairs fine

[drowsy agate]

can confirm

pugs can do pairs fine

if you want to play it really safe I guess you could just do the light parties strat

[stable basin]

how 2 find safespot for cleaves

[subtle bone]

Which cleaves?

[stable basin]

Just went over e12s p2 mechs

my brain is expand

e9s

when she summons

There are always two intercard cleaves and one cardinal

I spin my camera around and move onto the safe spot for each cleave in order

Probably easiest to move to safe side of boss first then look around at how to adjust

also e12s p2 enrage looks crazy

It's basically the same thing as program omega but visually it's like wtfff

force quit?

or omega omega

final omega

[wispy scroll]

Can somebody answer a simple Emerald weapon question for me? I tried asking in pugs but if either get kicked or called (and I quote) a “pay per clear whore” xD. So with the 2/2/2/2 strat. I understand that if your starting orb and the next orb clockwise are the same color then you go counterclockwise. But is there ever a set up where one group goes clockwise and another group goes counterclockwise?

[stable basin]

that's 4/4 yeah

wait no

you're always going the same direction

[wispy scroll]

Cool ty

That’s all I needed to know but it took an hour to get that answer

[foggy latch]

so i reached mirrors in e11s

do the element mirrors turn right?

[quick verge]

could you rephrase your question

[foggy latch]

i reached a phase

where he summon 2 thunder and 2 fire squares

[torn kindle]

You mean those giant blue/orange panes that float?

[foggy latch]

called right of the heaven

[quick verge]

yeah

[torn kindle]

The element he uses beforehand makes their AoE bigger

[foggy latch]

do they shoot lasers?

[torn kindle]

Yep

[quick verge]

they shoot lasers yeah

you just go to the opposite element panels that were channeled

the safe zones from there are fixed

one off-center, two towards the back of the safe panels

[foggy latch]

i assume laser is as wide as the squares

[torn kindle]

Yep

Lemme see if I can grab a pic of it

Those yellow frames are from the lightning element being used beforehand

[foggy latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/732208446924914688/787082596311236658/unknown.png

nvm i got it

think only fog after

and P1 but faster?

[quick verge]

mechanic spam

cycle of faith, channels an element, repeats that element several times
protean -> element -> burnt strike -> element -> bound of faith -> element -> raidwide -> repeat

does all 3 elements, then enrage happens after

[burnt falcon]

im still trying to figure the end game out some. could use some general melding tips. anyone happen to know the skill speed recommendations and what crit levels i should be at as a gunbreaker? Is there such a thing as too high with crit as a gunbreaker? Is it viable to focus on these to attributes alone?

[sage slate]

For questions like that your best bet is to get acquainted with The Balance discord. They have guides and resources to answer those types of endgame questions for every class

https://discord.gg/thebalanceffxiv

[quick verge]

a general skill speed value recommended for gunbreakers is around 1320, which puts you at 2.4

generally you're going to pump as much crit as you can into your gear, as there is no "too much"

crit is a stat that functions differently from the others in the game, increasing your crit chance and crit damage when you reach the next tier

so having more is especially beneficial

[burnt falcon]

ah I see. I checked out the balance but there isn't any regular old chat discussions. also, the gunbreaker information didn't have any particular numbers for caps unless i missed it. the guides were super useful in general though. I appreciate the help. 🙂

[sage slate]

They do talk about the skill speeds you should shoot for though, and there are channels for every class to ask specific questions. You may need to assign yourself the appropriate role to access them though. But yeah if you look there is mention of GCD speeds that are ideal for GNB

[burnt falcon]

ooooh. i see now. i think i glossed over some bits. I'll figure out why I can't get into chat channels later.

[strong fiber]

You can farm the books from savage raids right?

[steady pebble]

not the current tier, no

[strong fiber]

Damn

This is my first raid tier that I'm not late to so you have to play the fights in order every week then?

[steady pebble]

yes

[strong fiber]

And to top it off, everyone has to have not completed on that week?

[steady pebble]

skipping forfeits loot roll on previous floors

ideally, but if 1-4 people have cleared it'll reduce chest to 1

5+ will remove chests but you'll still get books

which is why you often see at the end of the week, book clears

[strong fiber]

Damn kk

Ty

[undone tide]

Quick question for e9s, what happens if you gap close through a seed? Also what is the range of the Anti Air tankbuster

[stable basin]

I thiink you can gapclose through a seed but you'll probably take dmg and it is not fun dmg to take even as a tank

as far as AA buster range, this is pretty much it because one person in the stack got clipped by me

also ignore the bramble placement this was literally two hours after servers came up

[steep falcon]

@undone tide Dunno if other dashes are like this, but on my first day of prog, I used Aetherial Manipulation and there was a seed in between me and my ally and I got hit by the seed, when you get inside the seed, you get hit and it is a really strong hit)

[undone tide]

It doesn't matter, I'm just invulning anti air

[dusk sapphire]

Idk if this is a nice strat but

Here

https://ff14.toolboxgaming.space/?id=560124099277061&preview=1

Seems to be the improved mith shara for melee uptime

[subtle bone]

almost e12 phase 2

[stable basin]

[steep falcon]

I'm starting to understand the shadows and feel comfortable in E10S as a BLM

[drowsy agate]

for anyone who has been pugging e9s on aether

what seems to be the common tiles strategy?

this pug had me do one that completely fucks RDM

[steep falcon]

Hmm?

Tanks and Melee on Intercardinals and Healers and Ranged in Cardinal seems like a good way for everyone to have uptime

[drowsy agate]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jqbV9ZFSe6MDWlHy5Vzbxi-meNziurNXtItQxpPc5V4/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/744617025862631486/787005599791317084/6sV74szKdy.gif

so basically this?

[steep falcon]

Oh hey is my gif, yas yas!

the cleave can happen in either west or east. So in that picture. WHM and BLM will do the same no matter what scenario

so if you wanna take the lazy spot and you're dps, call north

[drowsy agate]

regarding happy bramble

does it change at all for part 2 brambles?

[steep falcon]

Now that I think about it, I have no idea how MrHappy brambles works for Towers

Ranged and healers must do like a turnaround drift to their tower

[foggy latch]

what is turnaround drift

this is not cars racing wtf

[steep falcon]

[stable basin]

these e9s strats are not good at all

[daring dome]

we just put everyone on intercardinals with pairs of tthh on one side and pairs of dps on the other, everyone uses surecast

youre gonna lose some uptime regardless

because the fucking tethers require you to go to narnia to break

[foggy latch]

damn that dps check at e11s its tough tbh

[lost trench]

How the fuck do I get past the seeds phase?

In E9S

[strong timber]

Do the mechanics right

https://imgur.com/gallery/QTw4PcH

Here’s what primal PF uses

Not sure if yall do this in your datacenter

But personally I like mrhappy

Despite being cancer to move on

Cause I am dumb

And want that 1 extra gcd

In exchange for the suffering of everyone

Also less likely that i’ll be clipped by seeds while meleeing cloud of darkness when she goes to a card spot for antiair or wide

I be jumping sometimes on drg

And I be dying

[lost trench]

@strong timber That's the same mech I used, it doesn't help, we kept wiping

[stable basin]

we absolutely smoked the check on our clean run, doesn't seem that tough for 3rd floor

also e12s door is crazy fun and not that hard, I'm so jazzed for this fight

by door do you mean the first part

or the second

also does anyone have a guide for 10s that isnt saltedxiv

Door is first part

ah

[sonic olive]

Anyone have a doc for "Basic relativity"?

[sonic olive]

Nevermind this seems to work

[ivory shore]

https://ff14.toolboxgaming.space/?id=514911041747061&preview=1#6

this is the superior e9s strat

i swear by it, i think

though mr happy is good too

[stable basin]

🤔

ppl forget casters/healers don't actually want to journey to nairobi to drop stuff off

[ivory shore]

Eh, it's not that far honestly, you don't need to be all the way in the corner like it shows on the diagram

[stable basin]

not having it in the far corner makes phasers real annoying

[ivory shore]

Mm, my static didn't really have an issue, but no strat is for everyone, so. Meh.

[stable basin]

I don't see the advantage of doing that over dropping both corner puddles at max melee intercard

[ivory shore]

They both work. Personally I found it more "Roomy", but Mr Happy is a great strat too.

[finite plank]

reached planes in e9s

do i use mudra on clouds as nin

[dull radish]

dunno, depends on what it's being hit with really. They only have ~133k HP

[foggy latch]

big rip https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpEIptGXIAU3oo-?format=jpg&name=large

[subtle bone]

you shouldnt need and depend where they are sitting u @finite plank

two people hitting cloud is overkill

[foggy latch]

clear tomorrow i guess

[subtle bone]

u guys quitting?

[dull radish]

me hitting cloud ends up being overkill sometimes haha

[foggy latch]

we are done for today

did 5 hours

[subtle bone]

tru

very close

any damage downs?

[dull radish]

I think I'm gonna end up swapping to like putting a xeno on it and having someone else toss a GCD on it

[foggy latch]

be4 shitshow started

@subtle bone

[subtle bone]

wow

[earnest current]

got a question on e10s last set of tower

can you drop your puddle and then put your shadow in the exact same corner ?

as in drop pitch bog for example NE, then get back to that puddle to spawn and stay over there to make it move to the NE tower

spawn shadow*

[heavy mist]

yes 👀 drop your puddle in NE and then u can wait for shadowkeeper to also drag it to NE as long as u stay close

@earnest current

[earnest current]

so the shadow that spawns from the puddle doesn't cleave you if you get too close ?

[steep falcon]

Hmm. As soon as the Shadowkeep resolves, shadows will do a Cleave tho

[earnest current]

yea this i know but i'm thinking about the very first shadow that spawns from the puddle

[lyric summit]

yes, you can grab your shadow and stand outside the tower in the same place looking at the boss, then move when you see them teleporting

just dont stand too close

[subtle bone]

i wouldnt drop bog in the intercards

you will be too close to your shadow before it tps

[stable basin]

I don't think there's any point dropping it straight intercard vs just off the intercard

[earnest current]

@subtle bone that's why i'm asking because i've been blamed for not dropping bog and tp the shadow at the same intercard

[subtle bone]

in a pug?

[earnest current]

yea

[subtle bone]

you would die every time dropping them intercards

[earnest current]

i'm assuming the shadow cleaves if you get too close but i haven't received a definitive answer about that

[subtle bone]

err unless u drop them really deep

its the same move but more distance to travel for no reason

i mean, if the pug wants it done that way you should follow i guess

@earnest current the bogs drop with a protean so yea if you are too close in the intercard, prob dead

[earnest current]

nevermind i looked at the ilya guide and now see they wanted to do it strictly like him

[subtle bone]

link

nvm

[earnest current]

at 23:50

intercard bog are right in the corner

[subtle bone]

well

this strat sucks

lol

lol wtf

[glacial sky]

Who invented 2/2/2/2, it's butts and should be up to the healers.

[earnest current]

at the end i got blamed because i put the bog a bit toward the cardinal so i could get more space to tp the shadow

[subtle bone]

listen man

that strat is not good

[earnest current]

and i wasn't even the one causing the wipes

[subtle bone]

for movement + uptime

but i see

well i think u made the right adjust if u didnt die ?

[earnest current]

didn't die from that no

i prefer this strat

https://youtu.be/mLFIYKvt3QY?t=750

[subtle bone]

if u watch the clip i linked earlier, thats what we do.

https://clips.twitch.tv/CrypticThirstyCougarHeyGirl

much preferred and should 100% be the pug strat

so much more braindead

[earnest current]

people are using ilya strat like it's some kind of godsent gift, it's getting annoying

[subtle bone]

he even says theres a better way to do it >.>

gl on clear

[earnest current]

i hope i'll get it before week 2 :<

pf is still stuck on e9s

[subtle bone]

yeah lol

[steep falcon]

I expected PF to have a little bit of problem for Tiles when I was pogging E9S

[subtle bone]

on aether i see pf on e11?

[steep falcon]

My mind was like, how the freak PF will do this without communication

But a universal way to do it will arise and then it should be fine

Also E10S, the orbs parties, how PF will decide that

[earnest current]

tiles are not that hard, you don't even need to move that much, maybe 5 or 6 times max

you have something like 15 sec before it turns purple and then another 4-5 sec before it disappears

[steep falcon]

The oopsies are when two people stay in the same tile, not the duration

[earnest current]

For sure, but once you know you have plenty of time on a tile it becomes much easier to do

[stable basin]

At least Ilya's E11S guide is good

not that there are a lot of different ways to do things in that fight

which is probably a big reason why it's good :^)

[sage slate]

They're all good if you use them for what they should be used for. I.e. seeing what mechs do and an explanation of how they work. People just take them too far and act like they're the best way to handle those mechanics

[torn kindle]

If E9S is like E9N you got like 6-7 seconds before the tile goes purple

[sage slate]

Some of it is out of laziness I'm sure

[torn kindle]

Judging from me raising people during that phase

[stable basin]

it's not like E9N

[torn kindle]

Dam

[stable basin]

One person on a tile makes it drop after like 15 seconds

But two people on a tile makes it instantly trigger the drop which happens about 1 second later

ppl who are rez immune don't trigger tiles tho

[earnest current]

When i cleared e9s i basically stayed on a tile until the start of the next attack

each time she started to cast something i knew i had to move and it workes perfectly

[stable basin]

also e10s you just use priority

Orbs are basically the sisters in UWU

I've seen people prio like tank 1 (or group 1) is the first one CW of NW and tank/group 2 is the first one CCW of NW

Or you can do N/S prio which is like 1 looks to N>E>W and 2 goes S>W>E

[earnest current]

A group i've been in used some kind of prio like that

1 went W > N > S and 2 E > S > N

[stable basin]

First method is more straightforward to explain but second cuts out weird edge cases like S+W where the second group is further N than the first group

[earnest current]

that way you just need to turn the camera so you can see both west and north for example and you knew directly where to go

[subtle bone]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1LV411h7AV pog uptime lion

[stable basin]

You have some leeway on the tiles

If theres 2 people u both drop after a second

But if its decay, you have like 3 seconds

Also being ahead of the PF curve feels pretty good ngl

Im hoping to clear e10 tomorrow so it can stay that way

feels good until you can't find enough ppl to fill your pfs

[stable basin]

TRUE

Is pitch bog placement and voidgate amplifier the same/related?

Visually it... Doesnt look that bad??

Ok a clip of it helped

Theres definitely room for fuckups

[steep falcon]

Pitch Bog is the puddle placement

Voidgate Amplifier is the towers, then Shadowkeep is the shadow teleport behind you, nothing personal kid.

But the whole thing is... Voidgate Amplifier?

[stable basin]

Makes sense

the mechanic is called "clown fiesta that we're gonna skip next week"

[steep falcon]

I can see E10S PF in 4 months

Skip Voidgate Amplifier or disband

E9S Skip Second Tiles or disband

[stable basin]

I should hope its skippable by 4 months

It will be like e2s cycles where you'll skip it enough that people forget how to do it but not enough for it to stop being a problem

[steep falcon]

actually you can kinda skip second tiles atm I think

With very very good dps

[stable basin]

Yeah

If you have 0 deaths

Good dps

Lb3

End of tier speedruns might skip last intermission in 11

and good groups will definitely skip at least a couple cycles

Theres more than 1 strat for voidgate?

I assume box/diamond is ilya

[steep falcon]

I only saw Ilya and

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo5ocg-VoAE0Xvu.png:large

Oryza's one was kinda shenanigans

Also. Ilya strat fucks BLM and WHM so hard, dunno about SCH with their Ruin and AST.

[stable basin]

That picture one doesnt seem so bad to do

yeah

Is it just called oryza?

that one's pretty easy

Or is it the uptime version like mrhappys brambles

it's really melee unfriendly but it gets the job done

I see

And I legit see zero reason to learn a harder strat

So you either go melee unfriendly

Or caster/healer unfriendly

you just go with whatever's easiest to learn and then skip it in the future

U right

I did like 7 unmends in the fight

[steep falcon]

No, Oryza's group did a weird strat for Voidgates

But is not the picture one

[stable basin]

cuz dps not tight at all

[steep falcon]

https://clips.twitch.tv/AltruisticStupidHippoTF2John

they did this

shenanigans

[stable basin]

Ah

that's uhh

hmm

[steep falcon]

Imagine being a BLM

I don't have enough Triplecast for that

[stable basin]

yeah

that's extremely caster unfriendly

[steep falcon]

Well they cleared fast, that strat was kinda uhhh, but they cleared

Yeah same with Ilya

Ilya is not friendly for BLM and WHM, in some extent maybe RDM and AST, in a minor extent SCH and SMN.

[chrome crane]

Endgame who? I just let people go on raid

It's easier that way, because less hassle to learn the mechanics

[sinful brook]

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[restive pulsar]

Hello, quick question, does Titan Unreal have the same mechanics as the old one, or are there new one implemented? Thanks in advance 😊

[lyric summit]

its the same as extreme, thats the idea behind unreal trials

its old extremes with just level and HP adjusted to endgame

[restive pulsar]

@lyric summit Thank you 😊 🙏

[unkempt cypress]

What do the terms like 0-2 chest mean in savage pf?

[wispy urchin]

that you should expect loot

or maybe it's just 1 chest

[stable basin]

The savage loot system is a little bit complicated

When you clear a boss for the first time each week, if everyone else in the party has also not cleared it yet that week, two loot coffers appear

If between 1 and 4 people have already cleared that week, then only one coffer appears and the people who have cleared cannot roll on the loot

If 5 or more people have already cleared that week, then no coffers appear

That's also called a page run because you get a book/page

on your first clear for the week regardless of chests

[lost trench]

I left my static again because my parents wanted to, but now I said i'm coming back, but they refused

I started begging to come back but they refused

The raid is E9S btw

Damn I feel so betrayed

But if they cleared E9S i'll cry alot harder then before

[foggy latch]

yay e11s down
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpIpSMZWMAABq8i?format=jpg&name=large

[misty berry]

https://youtu.be/DfHFZsk--qA
Here's a nice e10s Pitch Bog strat a friend on this static shared

[steep falcon]

I kinda don't like that one. Seems like they just complicated themselves more

Just bait the shadows on intercard and every player takes cardinal towers. Once towers resolve. Stay there to bait AoEs (no movement needed) and dps rotate clockwise for the next towers. Then T/H adjust for tethers and resolve towers.

[foggy latch]

omg shiva junction does alot of fkn dmg

holy shit

diamond dust 160k
5 secs later 70k dmg stack
3 secs laser icicles drop 30k
5 secs later pushback 100k
3 secs later 100k iccicle dash

all that happen in like 25 secs

[dull radish]

yeah

err well

the icicles aren't anywhere close to 100k

but you definitely want to move back in for heals/shields before the knockback

[daring dome]

2nd towers in e10s uptime strat:
||skip them||

[dull radish]

this is correct

[quick verge]

that's gonna be impossible for pugs

sad

[foggy latch]

think we should be skipping towers

at week 2/3?

[quick verge]

maybe probably

[subtle bone]

Idk about skip... but would b nice

Actually maybe week 3

[daring dome]

skip def

[subtle bone]

Lols yea

[quick verge]

my favorite part of savage is saying goodbye to mechanics i hate after a few weeks

and then meeting them again if i ever decide to go into pf hell

[foggy latch]

what is e6s ifrit hands of hell vomit again?

i didnt see em since 4 months ago

[quick verge]

let's leave last tier where it belongs

[subtle bone]

@foggy latch https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1LV411h7AV repost but i hope ur group uses this uptime strat

P1 dps check is quite insane week 1

[nova socket]

dps checks dont exist

[stable basin]

whats uptime shadow cleave

is that where intercard markers are closer

[subtle bone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786782900846329856/787841695059542016/unknown.png solo heal e12s O::::

[quick verge]

both bosses

[subtle bone]

o both lol

[unkempt cypress]

So 0-2 chest means more than 4 people have cleared and there will be no rewards besides the page?

[steep falcon]

pretty much that, or the rare case where 8 peeps haven't cleared that week for 2 books, but those parties are usually filled with people that already cleared that week and want to fight again, maybe to optimize their rotation or any other reason.

[stable basin]

There's a crystal discord for new raid tier if anyone wants an invite to it

[cinder lion]

2% enrage e10s

aghhhhhhh

[steep falcon]

I did a 1% enrage and we cleared two pulls later, but I got...

DMG DOWN

[subtle bone]

ahhh 40% phase 2

[stable basin]

huge

[foggy latch]

fuck lion phase

[subtle bone]

E12S phase 2 is so easy 😭

ttp

lion is ez

[foggy latch]

i said fuck it

not said its hard

[foggy latch]

can someone explain the hourglasses to me

i understand everything in all relativities

except hourglasses

i dont know what they cast

from what i noticed blue cast 1st

yellow cast 2nd

red cast last

but how do i know what they cast in advanced

[subtle bone]

which part?

mech name

[foggy latch]

advanced relativity

[subtle bone]

water stacks and double wind go first

gaze and 2nd wind

then fire

[foggy latch]

wait

is hourglasses basically

our debuffs?

or something else?

[subtle bone]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ezpAgUrs9xH4l5dP4ehs8E9mzNGMw9ZFvTSslnjQ-a4/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo4yF-JWEAYhXnj.jpg%3Alarge?width=549&height=549 this is the final spots you end up

debuff come out, tethers come out.. you do light parties then drop your 3 debuffs just like intermediate relativity

[foggy latch]

yea the 3 returns

[subtle bone]

you stack first w/ double wind debuffs in front for final kb , 2nd move for gaze + wind, 3rd move for fire

then it all resolves itself

[foggy latch]

i guess i get it now

[subtle bone]

do you need a vod

[foggy latch]

well vod isnt helpful

[strong timber]

How much harder is e11s compared to e10 and 9

[foggy latch]

about same

[strong timber]

I’ll probably be able to get clear then roday

If I get lucky

[foggy latch]

but dps check is alot tighter

[strong timber]

Like how tight

[foggy latch]

e10s need 111k dps

[strong timber]

Yes