i.e. no 2 wars
#endgame-lounge
quick verge
undone tide
Skip conflag or disband
stable basin
It's actually fairly difficult to skip conflag
quick verge
if you're looking to skip conflag, then you'd actually want a comp closer to speed meta tbh
stable basin
you need like 97 percentile speed to skip it outright
undone tide
And which mechanics can you skip in e8s
quick verge
WL2
high nimbus
Is there such a thing as parties not inviting x class because it does suboptimal damage in this game? Endgame wise
daring dome
no
quick verge
not anymore
stable basin
She just AFKs for the last minute so you don't skip tooo much
high nimbus
Not anymore? What changed?
undone tide
balance
quick verge
people not being parse monkeys
drowsy agate
regarding summoner
my static has one
we actually had to change our side setup because one side was SAM + SMN
stable basin
Balance is a bit tighter and honestly big one is FFlogs having rdps
drowsy agate
and the SMN had problems killing the electrics fast enough
drowsy agate
so we swapped me (rdm) to that side and problem solved
stable basin
So if you have no raidbuffs you can still compete
high nimbus
So itโs okay to roll a Machinist
undone tide
Unless it's a specifically parse party, yeah
drowsy agate
i'm no SMN either but it feels like SMN has low upfront burst
stable basin
ofc to go for top rank you still need specific killtime but you're not just screwed out of 15 percentiles cuz you have blm sam
drowsy agate
so our DNC rekt the electrics on that side and SMN worked on the aqueous
undone tide
SMN burst is summon phase
drowsy agate
most classes are pooling resources in add phase so they can unload on the reopener
idk what SMN does though
the cutscene after adds before phase 2 lasts like a minute
so you have a decent amount of time to get some CDs back
undone tide
You get to Deathflare, 2x Akh Morn, and 2x Fester in Bahamut phase
drowsy agate
also if everyone on the team is purple+ parsing on e6s you can prob kill before conflag
stable basin
yeah you need like top 50 speedrun 5.3 or top 100 5.2
quick verge
the farther you deviate from speed meta, the more crit farming and higher level of play you need
quick verge
i can maybe reconstruct some from memory, but i don't think there's very many openers that you can find from 4.x
outside of staring at old youtube vids
quick verge
berserk and IR were separate buttons until like
4.2
IR was like, halving beast gauge cost(?)
berserk was damage steroid
idr
stable basin
here's an old drk guide https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uYLWxWayYrliAmwJb8B7y0edm7LamvnGkPfjq2CcVYE/edit
quick verge
after 4.2, IR has been untouched
stable basin
this was the good stuff
I don't think they factored the resource gain/loss fully tho, p sure using 3 tbns to replace a se combo was like 18 potency loss
daring dome
ast mains be like i miss the old days and then play gachas because they miss the feeling of having 2 useful cards
undone tide
Queue the "you weren't really an Astro if you didn't make use of every card" players
quick verge
the good astros made use of every card
for example
bole was a lord/lady
realistically a lady cause damage isn't allowed
undone tide
what did minor do
quick verge
transformed the held card into a lord/lady
that you could hold on to
lord did damage
lady was a heal
both decent
undone tide
oh
quick verge
after getting the desired royal road effect, you just minor arcana'd the useless cards
quick verge
turned your held card into an effect that would modify your next played card
ewer/spire halved your next card effect and made it an aoe
balance/bole doubled your next card effect
and uh
undone tide
That's actually really cool
quick verge
arrow/spear doubled the amount of time the next card lasted
undone tide
Sounds pretty fun
undone tide
lmao
quick verge
your ast not drawing balances during the pull was also a thing
undone tide
Like crit Adlo and waiting for CDs after wipes
People waited for critlo as well yes?
quick verge
there was only one situation where you ever relied on a crit adlo
and that was in o11s
undone tide
Why
quick verge
you needed a crit adlo to survive the post pantokrator damage
to also generate lb
this was in highly optimized speedkills
undone tide
Ic
quick verge
sch just needed to wait 30 seconds after pressing aetherflow before the pull happened
assuming 15s cd
quick verge
@undone tide https://youtu.be/W-HynDazx8s?t=439
okay it was red fists
basically the normal way to resolve the red fists was to have everyone stack and use tank lb3
undone tide
Ah
quick verge
minimal damage
undone tide
But instead you stack it and critlo for melee lb3
quick verge
stack it and critlo to survive
along with using all other forms of mitigation you have
physical troub, etc
this is not the way the mechanic is intended to be done
but as it turns out, stacking them all lets your healers do more damage in the long-term, and isn't a pain in the ass to resolve
radiant chasm
so im gong to take that as a no:/
quick verge
@radiant chasm can probably ask in #general-discussion if anyone wants to talk
loud agate
Thank you for your help everyone
chrome surge
Would augmented crystarium set be enough for the new eden tier in 5.4, or is the new crafted set coming in 5.4 be better?
quick verge
aug crystarium is fine for the upcoming normal tier, and fine for the first floor of the next savage tier
ideally youโll want the crafted set in 5.4
higher ilvl and can pentameld
chrome surge
Thank you!
kindred moss
anyone free to help me grind Final Coils Unsynced?
subtle marsh
For crystal, is it better to find a static that will do progression, or try to use party finder?
drowsy agate
doesn't hurt to just try PF
you lose nothing but time
you don't have to have a static to be able to clear e5s-e8s
it could potentially be less stressful to have a static though
especially for e8s
go watch a video guide on e5s and jump straight into a learning party
viscid wadi
depends on who's in the static
subtle marsh
I ask because the crystal end game raiding community is rather small, so I'm not sure what would yield the best outcome.
subtle bone
Just use pf tbh
subtle marsh
They're usually farm trials. No progs or learning.
drowsy agate
you can try starting the party yourself
well, let's put it this way
if you just pug, you can try savage pretty much at any time you want whether by making the party or joining one
if you want to hunt for a static, at minimum you'd have to negotiate with the static, see if they mesh well with you, then potentially wait until the raid day to start
so again you may as well just start pugging
stable basin
The ratio of farm to learning is high cuz it takes an hour to learn ex but (potentially) 99 clears for a mount
subtle marsh
That's fair. I thought usually party leaders are somewhat familiar with the fight.
drowsy agate
not always
i've seen plenty of people start parties with descriptions like "fresh as a newborn, blind prog, plz watch video, no salt" or whatever
but I guess that's on aether and not crystal
stable basin
Nah people do it on crystal too
subtle marsh
What are the worthwhile raids/trials to learn?
drowsy agate
right now the only really current content are the 4 eden's verse fights and maybe sos ex
sos ex drops a 495 weapon, but it's worse than your i500 relic
the current raid tier is just e5s through e8s
start with e5s if you want to get into savage raiding and begin working on your bis
olive hearth
They're rare but they exist somewhat
lone path
Yo
Any of you guys wanna form a static to prog some savage fights with me? ๐
I can do like everyday of the week excluding weekends
Pf finna tell me to go frick myself so im tryna find people who'd be interested in doing the fights just to do them basically
I'm starting at e1s but if enough people wanna join and start on another fight I'm down for that as well
I know up to wtf lasers on e1s btw never got to see that mechanic cause my static killed itself zzz
subtle bone
No
drowsy agate
you're going to be really hard pressed to find static members doing e1s through e4s
because that's old content and the gear rewards are outdated
these days people only do those fights to get gear for TEA
which implies they have already cleared e8s and therefore are done with the tier
lone path
Frick me
Hb E4s to E8s ?
Surely there are people who haven't cleared current tier
๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ
drowsy agate
well of course there are
if you ask around for people to start e5s you'll probably have some more luck
but it's really really late into the tier
still, wouldn't hurt to ask around
drowsy agate
there's a recruitment channel for your datacenter
that's probably a better place to ask
lone path
Thanks I really appreciate all the help
glossy hollow
Hello, a question from my friend does Castrum lacus give EXP for LV71-79?
All my classes are 80 canโt try it out
foggy latch
no
glossy hollow
Thanks
stable basin
Got an e8s question*****
stable basin
Yeah I have that guide
sinful brook
What's the question
stable basin
I have a question on wyrms lament
When should the red buffs be actually going out
Its not the timers
We have the timers its the actual leaving to hit the head
That is messing us up
quick verge
first red should pop the dragon before the first wing cleave
2nd red should go after the first wing cleave
drowsy agate
it will work out so that the pops happen during safe periods of the fight
quick verge
3rd red will go after the 2nd wing cleave
drowsy agate
the head always comes down at the very north
drowsy agate
a good benchmark is one red pop right around every cardinal direction
drowsy agate
your red pops should be in the safe zones
so your blue pickups don't have to worry about getting clipped by the cleave
quick verge
make sure you aren't lingering in the same spot after popping the dragon
you can and easily will eat the puddle there
drowsy agate
also as soon as WL1 ends
be ready to not move
because slidey ice happens right away
then she does her front or back cleaves
stable basin
For KB mirrors also, when are people popping the KB?
drowsy agate
whoever's the 4th blue will probably not have time to walk back to the middle
so they need to watch the cleave lines on the arena or gap close
stable basin
Ahh that is good advice
drowsy agate
for KB mirrors, joonbob's video shows it
right about when the adds about like 80% done with their cast
drowsy agate
that is probably better than watching the add cast bar
stable basin
Yeah that was messing us up a lot, people said to pop when she turns, when its 75% of the cast bar, but there are 2 cast bars
so we never got it right
2 different times people are popping it
drowsy agate
because if anyone dies earlier in the fight then they might not be able to see add cast bars
also it's always 80% of the faster cast bar
whichever cast bar is going to finish first
stable basin
another one I hear is at the ll of reflected hallowed wings
drowsy agate
that's exactly what joonbob's video says
drowsy agate
yep
quick verge
not as consistent as watching for consistent tells
stable basin
yea if you watch her turn you don't need to look at castbars
quick verge
popping it after shiva turns to the main tank after using her double wings is a guaranteed tell
stable basin
Ok I will pop when she turns then
stable basin
what should I do with yellow crafters scrip after I have all of the books?
steady pebble
buy materia/slithersand to save for yourself or sell, or buy the oddly specific items if you intend to work on the crafting relics
toxic fern
is there a channel where i can recruit people for a fight?
foggy latch
foggy latch
it works both ways
if you want a deeper recruiting then here https://discord.gg/xJ57sa
tip from me: dont go to general channel or talk there
people there have mental issues
livid flare
is there a hunts channel?
quick tartan
what does 'soar' mean?
quick tartan
oh ok lol, i was very confused XD
foggy latch
imagine not skipping soar at i460
lyric summit
soar trio in containment bay ultimate when
dull radish
skip soar was such an annoying meme on both sides of the argument back then
subtle bone
hi looking for sastasha carry
snow plover
normal mode?
you're gonna have to setup a pf and prog that, gonna take a few hours. Good luck
subtle bone
wow... really... ok sounds good
stable basin
dull radish
yeah
foggy latch
so kinda why not skip it
dull radish
so you had people that "the only reason you guys want to skip soar is because you're too bad to do it" but nah we just wanted people to do halfway decent openers
foggy latch
sinful brook
"We want you to at least not suck"
"Y'all just too scared to do the mechanic and want to skip because it's too hard for you"
???
Bruh
quick verge
it's not that i can't do the mechanic
it's just that i dislike mechanics
thanks for coming to my ted talk
subtle marsh
No
lament panther
Rude
subtle marsh
Not rude. Don't be lazy and earn it yourself like the rest of us.
livid flare
lol
torn kindle
Itโs also usually an insta-ban :-)
Though I do think that can be a bit overkill depending on the situation
high ether
make cash and buy the i510 crafted gear when the next raid tier releases
there are too many mechanics in eden's verse that require everyone to know what they're doing
also we are so deep in the current tier now that the only people who still pug it all need to get carried, so good luck with that
sinful brook
also we are so deep in the current tier now that the only people who still pug it all need to get carried, so good luck with that
@high ether I'm in this sentence and I'm feeling attacked
Jk we just started super late and take prog casually
high ether
take your time with it, we're not getting Eden's Promise for several more weeks
sinful brook
it's just pug for lr is enjoyable 
I just want to see more of the fight but I'm also lazy and bozja has sucked my soul away 
warm escarp
Got a quick question. I got into this raid content late obviously. Am I able to do E5S and on without having to do E1S through E4S?
subtle marsh
I joined late. : ((( I'm big pleb
toxic fern
Anyone in chaos wants to help a Hades Ex practice party?
scenic trout
Anyone on Primals want Ex Death farm for mount?
tough gorge
for icelit as dps, is it better to be on the red X or the green X for the star aoe placement?
bc I've watched another guide and it said that dps go on the green X spot for the star aoe drops
quick verge
placing it on the red x is the more commonly used strat i've seen
also makes it easier to come back into the center
should clarify where you want to drop it in your group
they have minor variations in how you dodged the aoes
stable basin
no, you have to place it on the red X
else you are cleaving the healers standing in the towers
and covering your safespot that you get knocked into
dull radish
you can adjust for it with them on the green, but both healers and dps need to adjust for it for placement in dodging the line AoEs. Red's just the better strat and what everyone's used to doing, anyways
foggy latch
can adjust with them on green
assuming all of em do it on green
is why you ask the group how they want star aoe dropped there
frozen portal
what happen if you dont stand in jail on TEA enrage?
stable basin
you wipe when it hits
lyric summit
quick verge
"i'm using it when my cage is coming"
??XDDDD
dragging people to their deaths is the uwu thing
stable basin
man uses nastrond+full thrust and still waits a few more gcds to lb
lone path
i am nice as frick
cleared E5S earlier this week
today we started proggin E6S
cleared it just now
granted my parse is like BLACK but pay that no mind
regal dragon
Should really pay that some mind
toxic fern
where can i find a macro to waymark for hades ex?
supple sail
People don't usually waymark Hades.
If you want to waymark like the universal manipulation positions
just consult a guide, place them yourself and save them.
You can't enter a macro to place waymarks in a preset configuration
that's not a thing
you can save currently-active waymarks in a fight to your set of waymark presets
but that requires them being there first
This question already got answered for you in the other channel btw
toxic fern
Should I use raid finder or party finder if I want to start practicing savage?
quick verge
party finder
toxic fern
whats raid finder for
lone path
@regal dragon trust me I am actively working on optimizing and playing better but for rn thats the best I can do, I only started playing like 2 and a half months ago and I'm doing better in e5s and e1s but my boys carried me through 6
Theres so much to learn and I really don't like having to be carried, I hate not doing well but if I want BIS and be ready to prog next tier with the boys im getting carried a little unfortunately
regal dragon
if you arent used to fight opimisation e6 can be a weird one with 3 phase transitions, just try and do better on each subsequent run
lone path
Thats the plan, I'm gonna fiend it this coming week in prog parties till I can do better on mechanics and then when I'm consistent ill hop in clear parties and work on my dps and cut down unnecessary healing
I'm whm btw
I'll let you know when I catch that orange parse 
I want to be really good at this game ASAP but I suppose the reality is you're not gonna pick this game up and orange parse Shiva in 4 months I guess its a little unrealistic
I just hate being the guy dragging down the party lol
distant wagon
since my e8 prog isn't going great, im thinking of learning healing, is it fun this tier? i tank
stable basin
If you want a healing challenge queue for e6n in DF
toxic fern
Do I need to pug raids before getting into a static?
quick verge
not exactly
some statics won't really care about your previous logs/history in raiding, while some will
for the latter, pugging to get logs will be essential for some groups to inspect your raiding history
wheat marsh
at this point arent parse colors going to matter less than your actual numbers? considering the amount of parses are going to make it harder to get 95+?
quick verge
should look at their log to inspect their rotation imo
to see if they're playing properly among other things
the higher end of parses have had people farming runs for good crit rng to a stupid degree before and after 5.3 so it's pretty meme
if you're looking to recruit, then you should look at things like how much they randomly die, or how efficiently they use cds, etc
wheat marsh
i'd never make it into a gated static XD
quick verge
if you're interested in them, should probably trial them to see how they play
warm mesa
torn kindle
Gโraha is the best one overall since he actually does AoE as a healer/DPS
Besides him, the rest are pretty equal
torn kindle
From my initial testing in Holminster heโs really good at damage
Didnโt try him with tanking, though
foggy latch
you need ryne with thancred
so he can do gnashing fang combo
which easily make dungeons
go like 3 mins faster
stable basin
I think people tested and showed he rarely does it anyway
torn kindle
And him doing the combo isnโt a major boost in damage
Though my preference of trust groups is Thancred-Urianger-Ryne for DPS classes and then Alisaie-Alphinaud-Yโshtola for Tank
glossy musk
The testing showed they have certain abilities that will be used more or less based on the damage of the player
To try to keep the time around the same amount
So it wonโt ever become too fast or too slow based on player gear
foggy latch
i do 0 dps there
glossy musk
Exarch healer is still best though cause
foggy latch
so they do ok
glossy musk
HOLYYYYYYYYY
undone tide
I hate how portals in e7s literally didn't get harder at all from normal mode
toxic fern
Are all loot parties practice parties in disguise?
quick verge
sometimes
stable basin
Yes
drowsy agate
errr not really an endgame encounter
snow smelt
quaint marten
stable basin
quaint marten
stable basin
very cursed
foggy latch
last one is
cinder lion
recommended ilvl for e8s?
quick verge
yep
stable basin
Is there a resource to check what % bosses should be at at a certain stage?
Or is it just a matter of dividing the damage across X minutes (looks at buff timers)
Cuz when i was doing e8s someone was telling me how 70% is a good spot to be at right before add phase
drowsy agate
i think most people just go by a few waymarks
like for e6s the absolute minimum to be on track to clear when pasta spawns is like 52%
iirc around 30% for e7s going into tornado phase
and yeah 70% is on track for e8s going into adds
high dps can get as low as 67% maybe 66%
e8s is weird because phase 2 gives a damage buff assuming you do it perfectly
so dividing the time by minutes won't quite be right
not to mention people losing uptime to do mechanics
i recall icelit should be like 30% too i think?
someone come in here and correct me lmao
stable basin
like for e6s the absolute minimum to be on track to clear when pasta spawns is like 52%
HAHA we wiped at conflag and it was 51%
My gear is basically just
480 with like 3 i500 so my dmg sucks
And i flubbed my rotation so hard
I might try again on healer since my gear is tons better
nova socket
I mean that's overgeared for the content so...
stable basin
?
dull radish
even at i480 that's more gear than you really need to kill E6S. Toss more on top of that like some i500 pieces and you're already looking to be overgeared for the fight. Of course, more gear helps, but you should already be pretty far ahead of the dps check without that--it's more a performance issue than a gear issue, on you and the rest of your team
drowsy agate
it's the end of the tier
gear creep is everywhere
even e8s is fully clearable with all ilevel480
and right now 490 drops like candy
stable basin
some people can clear e8s in i480 but if you're just getting to the tier at this point you're probably not pulling your weight at that ilvl
dull radish
yeah
though it was in regards to 6s for this
of course you should get more gear than just 480
but if you're wiping to enrages it's not due to low gear if you're 480+
stable basin
Oh it was more of a "how well am i parsing" thing than a "we keep dying to enrage" thing
gusty matrix
finite wagon
Yep crit all 5.
Those sub stats on Sam resistance are steaming hot garbage
obtuse timber
hey for people who've done it how are the LV80 EX primals in PF right now?
wheat marsh
depends on which one. if you haven't done hades or misera, probably rough for those, since the people still trying it that havent cleared are likely ones that won't clear before 20% echo boost
the others are probably easy enough, SoS EX being current without echo means you can't really have the dead weight that the others with echo can carry now
sinful brook
hades already has echo in it
wheat marsh
does it help you survive the stuff where one person dying can screw up the entire raid? i havent done it
torn kindle
Echo probably wonโt help in terms of mechanics-based wipes
Like people messing up Ascian Prime
Or missing a meteor
sinful brook
people can still be yeeted off
wheat marsh
misera has the double punishment of not having really anything worthwhile besides tank helm? so there are so few people running it its hard to get competent groups
sinful brook
what happened to doing content for the fun of it
why does everything need to have a "worthwhile reward"
quick verge
fun...?
undone tide
I'll be honest
Amaro is an Ok reward
Is it worthwhile? Idk yet, I'm close to having it
But
I'm leveling all jobs just for the fun of it
subtle bone
u know whats fun?
undone tide
Suffering?
subtle bone
yes...
undone tide
PF?
quick verge
that's the wrong kind of suffering
undone tide
Imagine having a static lol
subtle bone
Im try to find 5.4 savage static lol
undone tide
do you want a grey parsing gunbreaker
undone tide
fuck
hey I have a singular blue parse in savage
I'm already set with a static for Promise prog anyway
subtle marsh
There's a subreddit for finding statics
nova socket
loud agate
where
steady pebble
lyric acorn
Anyone wanne do some maps?
quick verge
try making a post in #recruitment-light
steep falcon
https://youtu.be/A9JXT-XD6_Y?t=81 how is this wormhole strat 
quick verge
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
are there like, google slides for it
cause it looks familiar but i've only ever used a modified TPS strat
oh, fox strat
jinkies...
dull radish
it's a fine enough strat, roughly what we do
stable basin
Foxpaw
dull radish
in this case it's not bad
I won't speak for all of his strats by any stretch of course haha
stable basin
No, Foxpaw wormhole is definitely bad
dull radish
I certainly wouldn't say so
stable basin
Foxpaw has potential for a relatively fast first successful wormhole when everyone accidentally does all the stupid little details right but then an insanely long tail of not having everything exactly hammered down
For a "braindead" strat it sure has a lot of minor things you can wipe the raid with
dull radish
I mean that's what any wormhole strat has
for foxpaw the only person who's doing anything different is 2. Otherwise odds and evens all do the same exact thing, very statically
stable basin
That's definitely not all wormhole strats
TPS has a much higher barrier to entry but once you get it down it's very comfy
dull radish
foxpaw is very comfy too, just less used
stable basin
I haven't done Brute Justice Goes to McDonald's but that one looks like it combines the safety of TPS with the apparent simplicity of Foxpaw
quick verge
brute justice goes to mcdonalds
are there slides
people need to name their strats better ngl
torn kindle
What about those statics with whack names
Like Cowboy Wheelchair Emoji???
Or something like that
stable basin
torn kindle
I should look for that 5.2 Eden race sheet and look at the names
stable basin
That also has a wack af early prog stasis strat
quick verge
dehydrated walrus strat
stable basin
subtle bone
lol
quick verge
i mean, looks fine
dull radish
pretty sure my group and I would have had a bit harder time with this strat compared to foxpaw. It's maybe a little "safer" but quite a bit more to remember
quick verge
probably just a matter of perspective
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
to me the strat looks really easy
odd left even right
and you do the thingies
reminds me of the movement in the TPS strat
having the dashes never cross the center is also nice, since everyone can premove to the center before the stack marker appears
makes healing for the stack easy, which i assume most groups had trouble with when progging through wormhole
steep falcon
dull radish
yeah the dashes not going through mid is a nice part of it for sure
and them being a bit staggered is a bit safer
but it definitely is more positions to have to learn and know, more movement to get used to. Not that it's hard, but that there's a bit more to it
lyric summit
noooo that strat is cursed af
i progged with it and it was hell
like with choosing a wormhole strat i feel like you're basically picking a constant
lyric summit
and constant places for numbers in exchange for the same number doing something slightly different each time is a bad payoff
the no hit codex walrus thing
like 3 and 4 especially in that
sometimes you afk and sometimes you have to bait a jump, dodge apocalyptic, sometimes you're dancing between a sacrament and a wormhole, it's just not fun
the one violet linked i wish we would've done, i think i've seen it when we were already at perfect and no one wanted to change and i feel like it's the easiest one to learn
but i havent done tea in ages 
dull radish
yeah we started with something else initially and swapped to that (but I think we had made some minor changes) and it was nice and cozy so we stuck with it
it has its drawbacks/nuances but they're minimal and shared across each number
random sparrow
i want to get into later game raiding, but its so menacing from afar
random sparrow
@drowsy agate 480
subtle marsh
It's recommended to be at least 490 for shiva but you can practice with that np
drowsy agate
you can start on e5s if you'd like
random sparrow
@drowsy agate its not that im worried about being minimum ilevel, but like
i just wanna make sure that im not going in without knowing any basic,,what would you call it
i guess knowledge
but if i did e4s
i should be ok (?)
drowsy agate
no, e4s is quite hard
start with e5s
it's current content
e4s was the final boss of last tier
daring dome
e4s is easier than current tier nowadays provided you outgear it
you skip a ton of mechs
steep falcon
You can skip the last phase of Titan if your party dps is below average
stable basin
yeah leave e4s
itโs not worth learning when you could spend time on the current tier
quaint marten
You got the mount at least!
wicked gate
Is it me or is the miner skysung tool grind longer or at least different to do than the botanist one. Like, botanists for me had various 3 and 5 items procs. Miner has had close or none up to now, tho the HQ chance seems to be higher...And my miner has better stats than my botanist
proven horizon
I think itโs just RNG? (I had a horrible time with the first two grinds, the later grinds currently feels easier )
sinful brook
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Category:Skysteel_Tools
there's more than one location for each of the collectable items
its possible you were at the shittier of the 2 locations in terms of yield
but you were at the HQ heavy side
it was like this in teh last steps too
in general i found it better to slam the yield one until i had all my hidden items
and then port to the HQ side to top off the remainder of the HQ requirements
mint falcon
Ahhh, is it normal for e8s clear parties to not see enrage?
mint falcon
Frankly, if the whole party can get to icelit, I'd be surprised at this point
Like I've seen only one party get to WL2 this past week
quick verge
yeah that's just the common experience at this point tbh
this tier has gone on for a very long time
so more often than not you're getting trapped in bad pfs
mint falcon
Any suggestions? At this point, some of these parties have problems recovering after a healer lb3
dull radish
if you have any friends that you know can play well, or any folks that were doing well that you meet along the way, that you can invite ahead of time
it can help quite a bit to sway the odds in your favor
mint falcon
Fair, but most of them have already cleared and left due to patch lull
And even so, this is e8s, where a single person's mistake in mechanics can wipe the party
So I'd be still rolling the dice
dull radish
even bringing in one reliable person can help your chances significantly
of course it's not going to be perfect unless you can get a full premade but yeah
mint falcon
True
drowsy agate
earlier in the tier, the soft rule for PF parties doing e8s was to subtract 2 mechanics from what they say they're at
and that's what they're actually at
i.e. "kb mirrors prog" is actually adds prog
now...it's more like whatever they say they're at, just pretend it instead says "LR prog"
consider adding the people that you see doing consistently well in PFs
maybe even make a linkshell
mint falcon
Ah, I sort of did that, but kinda lost most of the contact info after an unfortunate accident
But yeah, that seems like a good rule. I'd consider it lucky if I even see icelit for a clear party, and that doesn't factor in the LR prog memes
Also the "I joined a sharingan party without reading or knowing how to do sharingan or ilya"
cinder lion
as someone who just started raiding
like earlier this month
E8S prog is a pain to pug
I had an "adds phase" practice
and half of the time we didnt clear LR
cinder lion
I dont mind
stuck in LR
what I mind is people not admitting mistakes
cause when u die in LR its usually just a flash of white
"What happened"
insert tumbleweed
drowsy agate
there's a lot of shit going on during LR
people sometimes really don't know what happened (even if they were the one that fucked up)
stable basin
yeah it's very difficult to tell a lot of the time
trying to prog it before act was fixed was hell
severe root
Doing Cinder Drift (Ex) 99 times is gonna be very draining huh...
steep falcon
I still feel like Cinder Drift should've 2 totems like Hades
stable basin
cinder drift is weird af
it's longer than hades if you push both phases to enrage
but you're clearly meant to skip like 40% of the fight
severe root
I currently have around 28 totems for it
steep falcon
I have 75. never saw a mount drop
severe root
Yikes...
I heard the dropโs like a 2% chance?
So would it be wiser to try to farm the other Exs like Innocence & Hades and then come back to Cinder later?
severe root
Gratz for you!
steep falcon
Thanks thanks
sinful brook
They'll buff the chance eventually lull
foggy latch
stable basin
99 colossus totem when
formal jacinth
finite plank
foggy latch
leaked pic of E8 ultimate
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/223932466912559105/777879964955050014/Em5h5aBXMAcsla_.png
stable basin
You can tell who fucks up in LR
I have one of my chats set up to show status effects
First person to get a damage down died first
But it can mean someone else didn't move their orb properly
subtle bone
Who cares man
mint falcon
Well, I managed to get the clear in the end
Two big things, being good at your job and being consistent gives you a good impression on people which helps get contacts back after your phone gets destroyed
Also, I think I might have trust issues with A Pile of Cats playing RDM for the foreseeable future
quick verge
@stable basin what did you do
stable basin
I only backflipped off the edge in post-adds reopener once
subtle marsh
It was so bad you gave him ptsd? Ouch
stable basin
uwu shorter fight than shiva
subtle bone
uWu
undone tide
wUw
slender hazel
undone tide
no
stable basin
if youre spending that long in shiva ๐
molten summit
foggy latch
subtle bone
๐ฑ
quick verge
pog
high ether
progchamp
unkempt cypress
how do you handle the last hands of hell in E6S? I'm a healer so I still have the dizziness(?) debuff and I can't seem to get out of the way fast enough after the air bump
quick verge
how do you handle the last hands of hell in E6S? I'm a healer so I still have th...
pop sprint, and immediately move after the air bump stack goes off
you can also position yourself in a way that your dps is on the edge of your air bump so you have less distance to cover after the air bump resolves
unkempt cypress
Thx, i will try that out
nova socket
300 hours, did they clear all the savage tiers as well?
subtle marsh
When I've ran E6s we've always just had healers run north. 2 go into the corners of the occluded front and the one with the initial tether marker stays north where they were.
quick verge
cause they heal
nova socket
subtle marsh
I mean, I'm a healer main and I prefer that strat over anything else
And to clarify the start in full is healers+tanks take tethers
Some pf have healers only tank both sets of tethers.
foggy latch
300 hours, did they clear all the savage tiers as well?
they did yea
viscid wadi
the strat would be to skip that mechanic
cuz at that point it doesn't matter, just respect it, your parse is trashed
foggy latch
subtle bone
Meh couldve survived..shouldve ran straight through the neuro toward twin
Imagine wiping in tenstrike smh
But srsly ppl who afk neuro during cover are lame
subtle marsh
For e7S as a healer, what face targeting settings do you use?
When I'm on the TPs, I don't trust myself to hit the boss because it has me face it, thus moving my tp location. Is it better to jut change that setting entirely?
And I guess this isn't relative to just healing, but casters as a whole.
dull radish
are you on kb/m, or controller? And if kb/m, do you use legacy or standard control scheme?
you can handle it fine regardless of setting
subtle marsh
On KBM and currently on standard
drowsy agate
if you are on KB/m
just use right-click hold to drag your camera, then tap both mouse buttons to change the direction you're facing
once you are comfortable with the mechanic then you should be able to do this at the last second
even with a spellcast
treat it like a slidecast
the teleport during adds is even easier since you can move to position in a way that you can still face the add while teleporting in the correct direction
just takes practice
I use kbm + legacy btw
mainly so I can walk backwards without backstepping
dull radish
On KBM and currently on standard
if you're on standard, you don't have to do as much as Renaulte mentioned. You rotate your character already with just right click by itself. You can pretty easily keep yourself casting at a bit of an angle without having to use strafe tech, or if you have to face a bit further away (like directly away from the target) then you just gotta learn to turn just before. Ideally popping an instant cast just before.
If you're unsure, you can turn a little early for safety until you start to get a bit more comfortable with the timing of it and can start to greed it just a little more. I'd never recommend turning off the "automatically face target" option, it's much more hassle than is worth to go without it
median rivet
Y'all know we're getting a new bozja map with the 5.45 update or is it just gonna be the 48 man dungeon ?
stable basin
There's only been talks of the new dungeon so far
foggy latch
both
stable basin
yeah both
not sure if map is confirmed but
doubt theyd make a new dungeon for it with the same map
wispy scroll
Has anyone else tried solo tank on Ruby Weapon?
steep falcon
I haven't, but you don't get a physical resistance down after Stomp? That sounds like giving healers too much stress
quick verge
you do get phys resistance down after the tb, but the damage from autos you take afterwards isn't fatal
p1 should be easy enough to solo tank
p2 you need to burn the adds before the tb or you lose like 2-3 dps
stable basin
You literally take one or two autos over the duration of the vuln
For p1
My static just didn't tankswap p1 when we were farming it for savage
steep falcon
Hmm, I'm just worried about adds on Phase 2 then
If there's only one tank, then who is taking the other add Tankbuster?
And it is definitely possible to kill phase 2 Ruby before tank meteors, but the adds 
vivid fossil
Hey Everyone ! I was told people here would be interested in this ; https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/k1bfuy/world_first_ucob_solo_tank_solo_heal/
๐ @sinful brook
sinful brook
โค๏ธ 
quartz lagoon
In Alphascape 4.0 Savage - if one person dies just before Hello World, is it an instant wipe? Or can the rest of the party resolve it?
lyric summit
i thiiiink the debuffs would be random for the role with one person dead? so depending on which debuff would be gone it could be a wipe, or like 3 times more difficult, or entirely unnoticeable
quick verge
yeah you can definitely adjust to hello world 1 if someone dies
it's just a matter of being aware of what debuffs are missing, and how they relate to you solving your debuff
like if you get the blue debuff on tank and the short stack dps is dead, you'd need to get hit by the first defamation
personally i'd just jump
it's only 1 minute into the fight
nova socket
you can do hw1 7man quite easily
though ya it requires you all to understand the mechanic
easier to jump for most ppl
quartz lagoon
Thanks for the replies ๐
unkempt cypress
what does HMR mean in E7S party finder?
quick verge
the order in which the orbs will be popped during the tornado phase
Healer first
Melee second
Ranged last
if youโre a tank then you disregard it
drowsy agate
also applies if you have someone sporting a fake role
like rpdps doing fake melee usually count as the melee
or god forbid fake ranged
unkempt cypress
thanks!
stable basin
fake ranged sounds scary
left fern
next lance
Dear gigabrains, I need some help deciding what to go this tier. My groups comp, aside from me, is MCH, SAM, SMN, GBR, DRK, WHM AND AST. I went DRG during prog last tier and RDM/BLM on reclears. Iโm a solid blue parse on DRG and RDM but I want to try out monk with the new rework. What will be the most beneficial to the group?
stable basin
Whichever one you're best at
the difference between jobs is worth like 10 percentiles of performance
and if you already have melee+ranged+caster it doesn't matter what dps role you are
next lance
Flip a coin, got it. Thank you much!
quick verge
if you're equally skilled on drg/rdm and don't have qualms playing either, i'd personally go with drg
having a smn makes you lose value from embolden on rdm
and i'd prefer to squeeze out the most dps possible
sage slate
You may also find that some fights are more friendly to one of those roles than the other
next lance
Yeah both of those are things Iโve thought about. I think Iโm just gonna make a judgement call off of normal mode
stable basin
Raid buff timers in general are something to think of (including embolden)
For e.g. sch and ast both having chain strat/divination every 120s
monk and warrior with brotherhood / inner release every 90s
Etc
(I dont play the classes you listed so its something you'll have to ask your group about)
versed vapor
Dear gigabrains, I need some help deciding what to go this tier. My groups comp,...
All I can say is, pick what you are best at, job dont matter if you're shit at it no matter how "meta" the job might be for damage comps
Job competence > What the Job is
subtle grove
question about e8s , im OT , and when double slap is being casted , im using provoke with Grit on but MT still takes 2 hits even tho it swapped target , whats going wrong with that?
dull radish
unless they're invulning the hit, they're still going to take damage from the tankbuster itself (which is the plan), your voke just grabs the boss after the buster goes off so that the old MT isn't taking autos with the physical vuln debuff
sage slate
Also "double slap" only hits once, even if it looks like it hits twice and even the name is deceptive. So it may just look like they're getting hit twice. And yeah they're gonna take that hit, the important thing is they don't take autos after the double slap. So if that's happening there's def something going wrong. Possibly late on provoke due to latency/server tick/lag
sinful brook
Provoking during the cast bar followed by a shirk from the other tank is enough to cement your aggro lead
If you're that worried they can also drop tank stance flr a couple of gcds
steep falcon
Kinda late to the topic. But I think Double Slap it is just one hit, is not like Eden Prime, Leviathan or Idol of Darkness type of Tankbuster that the second-hit hit the tank that just Provoke'd 
dull radish
yeah, that was mentioned above
sinful brook
Kinda late to the topic. But I think Double Slap it is just one hit, is not like...
dw vivi i'll make sure to shirk you so you get the hit โค๏ธ
steep falcon
young tusk
Not sure if this is the right chat for this, but I'm looking for some folks to run e8s with over the next several days, as I'm hoping to clear the fight before the next content patch. I haven't had much luck with pf as it seems most people have bailed on the fight.
covert ledge
most people arent running it anymore cause the new tier drops next tuesday, but #603040697884475393 or whatever your data center channel is for that would be a better place to ask
subtle marsh
They're not primal. They're in crystal.
covert ledge
or whatever your data center channel is for that
i dont have access to the other ones, hence "whatever your dc channel is"
supple sail
You can still type #recruitment-crystal
quiet glade
well this is their last chance to do it, so makes sense.
oh you mean the savage raid version of shiva, thought yu meant unreal, my bad.
maiden stratus
Would u argue tanks have the hardest job in end game?
proper glen
They have the easiest job
quiet glade
I think healing is hardest personally.
torn kindle
Healing is easy if you donโt try to maximize damage
stable basin
The only tricky thing about tanking to me is positioning
It only really matters for e8
But i haven't tanked that one yet
quick verge
no, they're optional quests
when you unlocked eden's gate: resurrection, you had/have a quest objective that said something like "enter the duty finder to enter eden's gate: resurrection"
you should open your journal and find the location to continue that same quest, and complete it
from there, you can continue the rest of the eden questline, and unlock the other raids
tough quarry
when you unlocked eden's gate: resurrection, you had/have a quest objective that...
Blue Quest I assume right?
burnt falcon
What ilvl is someone expected to be at minimum for the new raid content.
stable basin
500 for savage
sage slate
For normal it should be 485 for all of them, for savage 500 for the first fight
stable basin
I think 500 will also be min ilvl for emerald but ex is usually still doable if you're just a little under
burnt falcon
sorry im new'ish to end game content. Will I be able to gear up to 500 easier once the patch comes out? Will there be a new set of gear available?
stable basin
Normal mode eden's promise will drop tokens for i510 gear (4 total per week, chest/legs cost 4, head/hands/feet cost 2, belt/accessories cost 1) and there will be i510 crafted gear
New weekly capped tome will give i520, and the tomes for the current i490 gear will be uncapped
and I think the coins from puppet's bunker will be uncapped too?
So i500 will be grindable from tomes+24mans
steady pebble
ye puppet's will be uncapped
stable basin
hey im interested in getting into this game
i was just wondering
what is endgame content like?
in comparison to wow
Apm is 20-30 buttons slower on classes, mechanics play out in an order you expect them with a few random debuff assignments/possibilities but it's not constant. You won't see anything random before endgame.
Content release is a staple so when the game updates, you see more or less the same thing.
Gear isn't anything amazing, you increase item level, deal more damage.
There's difficulties going in order from easiest to hardest, Normal, Unreal, Extreme, Savage, Ultimate. Most of these consist of an arena accompanying one boss
rapid kite
Is anybody interested in running deltascape v4 savage?
wicked gate
Ok, I'm progging E7S as a tank. We just cleared add phase then the next step was supposed to be unjoined aspect + stack-tethers on the closest 2 players (the tanks). Yet, somehow, at that step, I managed to have both stack/tethers on me for whatever reason. Any logical explanation on how that happened? (everybody was alive)
Also very sad this happened since we had just managed to clear adds
quick verge
it's possible to have both stacks go on one player if they're closest to both of the side birds
which is what happened to you
quick verge
Ok, I'm progging E7S as a tank. We just cleared add phase then the next step was...
so you just need to have you and the other tank posture towards your opposite colored side so you can ensure you only pick up one tether
sinful brook
alternatively, you can pick up both tethers, hit invuln and chad the mechanic :^)
quick verge
i mean it is a legitimate strat but it's a little more involved so it doesn't screw you later on
drowsy agate
@stable basin to add to what palooza is saying, ff14 high end gameplay generally feels different than on wow
since the gcd on wow is 1 second or less, most classes have downtime where they are pooling resources like rogues
ff14 universally follows "always be casting" so your 2.5s GCD is pretty much rolling all the time
and most classes have numerous ogcds they can "weave" between each GCD
so up until mid game, all classes are going to feel slow compared to wow
sinful brook
where?
drowsy agate
what's going to be the optimal gearing strategy starting in 5.4?
by that I mean
assuming you aren't willing to purchase more than maybe one or less crafted pieces
do you just go for four accessories from e9-12n right away?
or maybe a e9s clear is possible week 1 for the static so you go for hands or feet from normals or something?
or maybe start with emerald ex prog for the weapon since it's probably going to be 2nd BiS behind e12s I'm guessing
steep falcon
There are a lot of possibilities, if you don't want to craft/buy the new crafted gear, then you could try Emerald Weapon for the weapon, Normal Eden's Promise for accessories and keep using your ilvl500 BiS.
drowsy agate
but would four accessories from normal week 1 be the "optimal" start
stable basin
depends what else you're getting
ofc if you're not clearing the tier week 1 then you don't need to worry about being optimal week 1
and I say that because that changes the strat
drowsy agate
yeah we're definitely not clearing the tier week 1 lol
stable basin
Like if you're going hard week 1 you'd buy an accessory or belt with tomes
But if you're not then it's better to save tomes for chest/pants
drowsy agate
but it's not completely impossible for maybe e9s on week 2 at least
stable basin
You got a lot more options just by week 2
drowsy agate
how quick do people math out new BiS sets usually?
subtle bone
Depends on your job
drowsy agate
I would hate to buy a tome piece that ends up not being bis
subtle bone
But its easy/fast
stable basin
They click every piece with crit on it and then see if they need to adjust sks
drowsy agate
I'll be maining red mage for the beginning of the tier
so I guess just look if the new tome chest/legs have crit/dh on them
drowsy agate
e10s will require 505 ilevel, which should be easy to get by week 2 I guess
subtle bone
Not buying the craft gear will give you less variety but its w/e
drowsy agate
I have a khloe's gold cert, but I think I'm just gonna sell the ornate piece instead of using it
we're not going for world first after all
stable basin
note that you don't actually need to hit the min ilvl to enter
I plan on clearing e10s at i499
drowsy agate
oh yeah
min ilvl is only if you're gonna queue for it lmao
premade group of 8 gets to ignore that I guess
foggy latch
e10s should be more than clearable at i500
average groups will most likely not meet dps check
at E11S is where crafted gear start to be needed
E12S is basically required and even tho 98% of groups wont meet its dps check
drowsy agate
my static is beyond fine on DPS tbh
we're all pretty good parsers
so we'll probably be fine on week 1 for a possible e9s clear
and by the time week 2 hits we should be fine on gear
or who knows, maybe we won't clear e9s week 1 and it's a moot point anyway
subtle bone
If u dont clear e9s week 1.....
quick verge
there should be no issue with clearing at least the first two floors week one if your group is decent at progging
subtle bone
quick verge
like, even if you aren't running many hours or something
then just have one of your static members open twitch, and turn on a stream and steal borrow the strats of the people who are doing hardcore prog
drowsy agate
we're still on the fence whether we want to try it blind or not
but if it's any indication, we had the great idea of trying e4s completely blind after getting this tier BiS and got the clear in 2 raid nights
which is like 4 hours
so if we steal some strats maybe we can do the first two floors
simple sky
i can pug the first 2 floors week 1, so a static group should be able to do that I'd think
drowsy agate
I guess I'm just trying to keep my expectations realistic
this tier was the first savage tier I've done on ff14
so I didn't really have any kind of reference how long a tier prog usually lasts
olive hearth
Depends on how good you are/how much you're willing to improve
subtle bone
Depends how many hours you guys plan to go
simple sky
I'm garbage
subtle bone
Its just time
simple sky
so it takes me like 5 weeks in the pug lyfe
subtle bone
Orange parse on a tier on farm doesnt mean much other than u doing some damages
drowsy agate
parsing means nothing if we don't know the mechanics
quick verge
the most important thing is knowing how to adapt your job to new situations
if you can't do that then your orange parses are pretty useless
subtle bone
You might have prog mental, you might not
simple sky
ew RDM
drowsy agate
I can do a perfect RDM rotation in my sleep now
simple sky
i'd certainly hope so
olive hearth
I'm progging as BLM, I find it easier to learn when to greed that way
drowsy agate
so even with mistakes I'll still probably pull good DPS for prog
quick verge
i prog on melee because i give myself reasons to be unhappy
simple sky
Biscuit understands this game fully
subtle bone
unhappy whale noises
simple sky
"How can I be as miserable as possible"
quick verge
drk is great in prog with no whm
cause your healers would use benefic 2 20 times if it meant they cleared
it's after prog where they tell you to drag that shit off your hotbar
and actively complain about living dead
simple sky
biggest thing about clearing in pugs is making sure you have the damage
drowsy agate
reminds me
simple sky
if you don't, dip
drowsy agate
if it means we get to see a few more mechanics due to an extra verraise
not like mp pots are worth anything
and I sure as hell ain't using real pots until we see enrage or something
subtle bone
Super ether kinda expensive..
stable basin
Even my alphascape static that got hard walled in o10s cleared o9s week one with like six hours of prog
simple sky
o9s was crazy easy
stable basin
so any static with a pulse should be looking at week 1 second floor attempts
simple sky
I generally agree with that
drowsy agate
took me like an hour to craft 300 super ether at the beginning of the tier
they've lasted me until now
but blm quad flare ate a lot of those too I guess
simple sky
I'm gonna prog on SMN as usual ๐
drowsy agate
regarding second floor clears
simple sky
the true man's job
drowsy agate
wasn't this tier's e6s pretty hard relatively?
simple sky
no
quick verge
it was pretty easy
quick verge
it was a 'fuck melee' fight so the dps check didn't exist
stable basin
It's got some mechanics vomit at the end but extremely lenient check yea
simple sky
you'd see the hardest part of hte fight (the end) after like an hour in the instance