Depending on deaths and DPS I’d say about meteors
#endgame-lounge
torn kindle
If you see Grand Cross Omega (or maybe even 2nd grand cross alpha) you’re getting too many deaths
serene lotus
He still has 17 percentiles below him
quick verge
dw you can't do worse than that unless you're actively sprinting it down
unborn panther
Most go grey on their first runs
reef venture
Man, there used to be like 3 different group/static finding Discord channels but I can't find any of them now.
steady pebble
#recruitment-chaos
obtuse wagon
I got a question, during one scene in the DRG Lv 80 quest, one of our character's dialouge choices said he/she was an azure dragoon when asked about nidhogg. I'm confused, I thought we are still one?
supple sail
Ehhh
The dragoons are not really the same organisation anymore
And the azure dragoon was tied to Nidhogg’s eyes which are destroyed now
More of a #archived-lore-spoilers topic though
obtuse wagon
I'm sorry, I'll ask it there.
midnight hollow
stable basin
man E5S is easier than i expected it to be
i kept tripping up a few times looking too far ahead
but its kinda breezy
ive only gotten to chain lightning tho cuz someone keeps dying
strong fiber
@stable basin Which strat are you doing for chain lightning? IMO, I think circle strat is easier
stable basin
circle
the issue is that someone dies to SL beforehand
so i think it... fucks up CL
cause its fine for 1 rotation
then people start dying
stable basin
PF's starting to die out for the night so i'll just have to try clear tomorrow
paper gorge
whats the best way to find ppl for old raids?
waiting since 3 days to find ppl for lighthouse :x
stable basin
party finder probably
stable basin
is it just me or its hard to find static for savage if you also work irl?
foggy latch
huh???
i work and i find statics quite easily
but given im looking for certain skill level
i dont accept any offer
stable basin
its me then XD
can't find one maybe cause im late
stable basin
Yeah its harder if you have a weird schedule
Sometimes there's a few late night parties
But usually duty complete
stable basin
guess 7-10pm is weird after all e.e
foggy latch
depends on your timezone
if its EST then not really
maybe its abit early for 75% of US to a degree yes
stable basin
well unfortunately its GMT+8
stable basin
Hello, I have question for people who've complete or at least know about knockback mirror phase
What's reason behind having one tank in middle, sandwich between two party?
dull radish
basically damage goes from highest to lowest, closest to mirror to furthest away. When you're one of the first four people hit by a charge, you get a vuln, which increases the damage you take from the next one
foggy latch
the 1st and 5th guy in line eat buster like damage
dull radish
so the person that's in 5th for the second hit, it hits very hard since they're taking the biggest hit with the vuln
since they're the first person in line with the vuln
so that's why you want order to always be mirror -> tank -> 3 party members -> tank -> 3 party members
stable basin
Thank you so much for the answer
stable basin
whats the highest % you could have ramuh at enrage (and succesfully manage to kill him at)
foggy latch
about 5%
enrage is about 30s long cast
charging fury 14 then summon spears then 10 secs long cast jolt
stable basin
got the clear today :)
subtle bone
Gratz
vale roost
oh, there is another channel
stable basin
Ty
finite plank
for e6s, tips on identifying tethers are healer tethers and dps tethers?
along with spark strike and what is the safe spot
daring dome
healer tethers are always first
finite plank
i tried "Looking at Irfrit that looks to another irfrit" but went into a not safe spot
daring dome
dps tethers are always the 2nd tethers
daring dome
strike spark is looking for the ifrit thats kicking towards another ifrit
or rakta in 2nd phase
theres sometimes an ifrit that kicks towards an ifrit
and theres another ifrit that kicks towards that ifrit
so be careful
finite plank
ah yeah, i've got another thing that confuses me
■ Basic Pairs ※ Use anti-knockbacks
MT/D1 ST/D2
H1/D3 H2/D4
■ Divided Arena
Ifrit+Garuda teams as above
■ Raktapaksa Tethers
1st (North): MT, ST, H1, H2
2nd (South): D1, D2, D3, D4
※ DPS rotate clockwise after final phase's Enumeration
■ Conflag Strike
DPS→West TH→East
Vortexes：MT→North、OT→South
※ Pairs (end of Conflag)
D1D4 MT・H ※ Tanks, D3D4 fixed
D2D3 ST・H ※ Healers, D1D2 adjust
should I pick D3/4 as a melee?
finite plank
hm... feels like the positions are reversed
wet stag
yea but some tanks pull garuda north
finite plank
oh yeah... line part
finite plank
feeling confident, managed to get some practice, about 7 wipes of practice reaching pasta, could go for a2c
but... what are the general complaints about E6S?
still haven't found a e5s prac group
wet stag
my complaint about e6s is that its fuckin boring
theres so much nothing
and honestly that extends to 5 and 7 as well
you just stand around waiting for the next mechanic to happen then wait 3490 years for the next one to happen
etc
stable basin
e6s has straight up nothing going on as dps
as tank there's a bit more but it's just kinda clownfiesta, not really difficult or engaging
foggy latch
why would u shukuchi even
finite plank
might be nice to know how effective shukuchi is in that scenario
like in titania and hades ex where you could shukuchi through the vines, sometimes
sometimes you get clipped and die
foggy latch
you could just cross the line
when it pop
the 1st 3 secs of its popping wont trigger any dot or dying
cause i did it many times myself
finite plank
good to know
foggy latch
cause i dont trust tanks baiting meteor strikes in same position since i died many times to their stupidity
so i just go to other side
wait til line marker disappear ( which happen exactly as meteor strike cast finishes ) and i got like 3 secs to cross line
before it start killing anyone
foggy latch
looks like fflogs will put a cheater filter in uploader
and tell you if a cheater/botter join your party so you end up kicking or will make your logs invalid with em in your party along with an overlay with showing everyone parse in party
quick verge
seems like all of the hacked logs just showed up overnight
finite plank
wat?
foggy latch
only issue is ps4 players
they got 0 idea if this guy a cheater or no
and their logs will be invalidated over it
assuming the guy who is parsing is fine with said cheater
quick verge
do people who modify logs even pug lol
dull radish
yeah
finite plank
what's a hacked log
foggy latch
modify logs to show numbers didnt happen
or cheating and botting to get numbers arent possible by normal means
mint falcon
Huh, I thought you had a literal tick before you died
i.e. if damage ticks go out while your location is registered on e6s's line, the line inflicts death on you
supple sail
nah
wet stag
yea seems like they changed up how some things work in shb
which is throwing me off a little bit but im more than happy for
stable basin
that's just snapshotting at different times
which is still wildly inconsistent in shb
finite plank
■ Betwixt Worlds (stacks)
Center-west：MT H1 Center-east：ST H2
■ 2nd Words of Motion ⇒ Away with Thee
MT ST MT
D1 D2 ⇒ ST
D3 D4 ⇒ <DPS stack>
H1 H2 H1
■ Adds phase H2
Left：MTD1D3H1 Right：STD2D4H2
■ Words of Entrapment
N+E: Tanks S+W: Healers
■ Words of Night
Spread strat (same quadrants as 2nd Words of Motion)
■ Words of Fervor
Orb priority: Healers＞D1＞D2＞D3＞D4
during words of fervor, is there a reason why I don't see tanks?
lyric summit
cause they're in their own little section
there's a black tank and a white tank and they get a white orb and a black orb
so there's nothing to sort really, each tank takes the orb that won't kill them
finite plank
what's this little section?
the coincidence that the orb they should take being there?
lyric summit
tanks go south of tornado, white dps+h go NW, black dps+h NE
finite plank
we don't rotate?
lyric summit
they do, but that's where you start
lyric summit
finite plank
still progging
pretty fun so far
for the tether part
er, chains
do all dps go west and all healers/tanks go east?
i'm assuming those thin, easily avoidable lines, are capable of breaking chains
after that part, there's nothing new left, is there?
finite plank
...
"conflag d4 fixed"
so, the air bump stack would be d1+d3 and d2+d4, i assume?
i'm just gonna assume yes, but I am confused on why someone put it up as "conflag d4 fixed" instead of conflag airbump d stack
foggy latch
they make caster fixed
so you only know where to go for your air bump the monent you know who you are tethered to
instead of running like headless chicken when your partner dunno where to go
shit starts after conflag tbh
all mechs are joke til that point
tough gorge
for e7s colour portals, is it fine to stack same colour aoes?
I looked at hungrychad's e7s guide, it said it's fine
and joonbob's colour portals guide shows all same-coloured aoes stacking together
dull radish
yeah it's fine, that's how the "braindead" strat got its name
dull radish
just want some light mitigation up, it's not even that bad, doesnt' give vuln
tough gorge
so if we were all stacked like this, would a heart of light be enough? or a different mitigation?
idk what type of dmg it does
or would just aHelios shields be enough?
dull radish
I unfortunately don't know how much mitigation you need offhand, it's not very much especially if people have a bit of gear (which by this point they should)
tough gorge
yeah we're all like, around 495+
daring dome
2 CDs is enough
collective unconscious and celestial opposition from ast should be enough
bubble should be up around that time afaik
daring dome
it is enough but its kinda annoying healing up for empty wave afterwards
foggy latch
do the cd
so it cover the color aoes + empty wave in same time
at least i can do it
as phys ranger mitigation
daring dome
whm can maybe do that but the wings are probably on cd then
finite plank
found a e5s prac group, i feel dumb not realizing we start our positions from duty action by the ST earlier
caused many wipes because of that
foggy latch
should be in macro
MT or OT in front
unless its one of shit pfs that do true north fury 14
sacred bane
Hi im really new to this game/mmorpg and started 1 week ago . I saw this "Extract Materia" on my item and dont really know what it is. Looked up on reddit bout it but still dont understand what it is. HELP!!
lyric summit
when an item reaches 100% spiritbond through combat with it equipped you get an option to generate a random materia from it
and materia is just like a gem with some bonus stats that you can attach to an item
though it's not really something you need to worry about until max level
but if you see one of your items reached 100% spiritbond you can extract the materia and sell it on the marketboard or something
sacred bane
OUhh! Its those egg-like things. Thanks alot!1
foggy latch
how do you enrage e5s now?
finite plank
e5s cleared
with a fc group
lots of death in the a2c group i was in
current fc group was... well, they're much better than me
today in E5S,
I learned something really stupi
d
used lb3 since i was the only melee dps
die from judgement bolt because, well, lack of healing
Lose the entire lb bar
we hit enrage for the 2nd time and wipe
finite plank
1 unfortunate death, a damage down and 2 misuse of assembly as a class I'm not too comfy with
How troublesome is it to learn e8s? 6s and 7s doesn't seem too bad after a few pickings, just not cleared yet
foggy latch
e8s is hardest savage fight since hw creator tier
finite plank
is failing the add phase a guranteed enrage wipe?
foggy latch
not really
dps check isnt main concern
mechs wise its very punishing
simple greed
lead to wipes
fucking up swap can lead to wipe
those are part of examples
tiny mistakes to you
easily build up to wipes very fast
finite plank
that's encouraging
foggy latch
the fight have 2 mechanics
that are somewhat close to a degree of ultimate fights mechanics in terms of complexiety
wet pine
quick verge
pf 7 months into the tier :)
unborn panther
Unless u have a full 80%+ pug, dont even attempt it in PF
covert ledge
uh you dont need 80%, but yea people gotta be mechanically consistent, pf is a jokefor e8s "farms" rn
carmine nacelle
I'd recommend trying to find a group. From start to finish it took me about fiveish weeks of pain and suffering in PF and I got lucky in being taken as a bonus after seeing 10 enrages
heavy vessel
Even "farm Parties" are a disaster most of the time when it comes to E8S. Getting past light rampart 1 without some major fuck-ups is a damn miracle. I would recommend looking for a static to clear E8s. Depending on how good ur at dealing with frustration go for it with randoms.
wild ether
so uh how many hours average to get a TEA clear?
maiden flame
how do I get started into raiding, specially into the normal version of the older raids, since i havent done any of them yet?
olive hearth
For NM, it's fine to just queue for them
Unless coils
Coils are something I'd recommend to just unsync via PF or solo
maiden flame
ah, ok
my friend once said that was kinda crazy to queue for normal raids, but looks like he's wrong
thanks for the advice
finite plank
for the JP datacenter players
I know that queuing for SauceX works through DF
how about E5-8s?
finite plank
next
What the hell's an X chain for E5s
１周三滅散 雷雲X チェイン遠隔ボス基準 フリロ D3 locked
I get O and frequently popular, triangle
but tf's an X chain?
wild ether
beats me
stable basin
avg tea clear is 60~100+ hours of prog
probably not a lot of groups hitting the lower end now because they'd already have done it
stable basin
my group had pepsiman almost down in 4 hours.. then we broke up cuz leader would rather disband than replace 2 people LOL
I do understand post pepsiman is harder and harder, but I think 4 hour pepsiman is decent when you are subbing 2 people both nights of 2 hours
wet stag
@finite plank that says clouds in an x, ranged handle chain lightning
its triangle basically
u see how theres a space in between the x and chain
finite plank
oh
stable basin
who here has read the book frindle
hear me out:
let's start pushing the "frindle" or "make that cake" strat for ayatori sharingan
stable basin
Frindle good book
foggy latch
tea takes 60 - 125 hours to clear from what i observed
clearing under 100 is not impossible but you need ppl consistent and catch on mechs fast
most groups with 100+ hours prog clears had weak links during prog
4 hours at pepsiman is average
not bad not good either
good group reach bj+cc start in 4 hours
daring dome
no
youre better off watching a video
and then apply the logic to the pattern youre seeing
finite plank
huh
it just clicked, i hope
how many times does that appear, 4?
including light and dark
nvm
次元孔/Betwixt Worlds
① ② ③ ④
④ ①
③ ②
MT ST
H1 H2
this describes the first betwixt worlds and 2nd, the puddle one, right?
yeah, it matches, nvm again
onyx wasp
you'd get better advice by asking on the balance
but stick the log in to xivanalysis.com first of all
finite plank
finally found a e6s practice up to the point it was a2c.
til, learnt that during the final tether air bump, I had to move backwards and rotate clockwise so the partners don't get concussed as a dps.
feels good, wiped and stopped at 4%.
issue, I'm still confused at the chain air bump for the dps groups, I can't tell so as D1, I just stayed west, somehow worked.
Another instance had me not be the air bump stack and nearly missed the partner I should be with, except I didn't really pay attention who I was chained to.
slow tusk
finite plank
i need someone to explain the chain group air bump, bit worrying there
should I be calling those tethers at conflag, chains?
hm, seems like I was supposed to be standing at west as D1? How would it work if I was D2?
stable basin
idk exact terminology elsewhere but afaik na/eu calls D1 the anchor
cuz they determine where everyone else goes
They always go to the same spot, and then whoever is chained to them is with them
And if you're not chained to the anchor then you're chained to someone else who isn't the anchor and so you just go to the other spot together
stable basin
In e7s pf, what mechanic does HMR (TRH?) apply to
Is it the TP after the puddles/center aoes?
dull radish
It's the order for people to take orbs during tornado phase
Of course the mechanic is a bit random so you can't always strictly go with that but it's a rough guideline for where to start with order
stable basin
Ah okay
Im slowly digesting the different mechanics before i start progging
But wow the unaspected + portals really is that easy
dull radish
Sure is, yep. Neat mechanic with a lot of potential, that ends with a pretty binary resolution instead of having more depth
stable basin
Thats pretty cool
I love patterns
Is it possible to skip tornado?
In cases where dps is good
actually its right before enrage so i assume it is
dull radish
No, it's not possible. Tornado phase is decently long--it rotates around twice. You can skip the second rotation with good dps, but you won't be skipping the first
Also even after the second rotation the boss just kinda spams raidwides for a while too haha
stable basin
I see
And i assume the er... T? Or Triangle part is for blasphemy
Im not online else id be able to recall better
dull radish
If it's like "cross T" or whatever that's referring to orientation for dps tethers in betwixt worlds
dull radish
Yep
finite plank
i now have something else that hurts me more than 4%
still, good practice
haven't gotten used to pre positioning to move clockwise in airbump stacks with tether yet
wet stag
finally cleared 8s
onyx wasp
🎉
finite plank
cleared e6s, next up to clear would be e7s
died twice
1 from... well, an incident that clipped me, not enough to wipe, and the end of conflag, where I got clipped as my corpse slides to the rear of pasta towards my group
wet stag
isnt it week 34
inland ore
It's okay I cleared Shiva pretty late too.
Ended up not bothering with the tier much then caught up later.
onyx wasp
anything past day 1 might as well be week 999 :^)
quick verge
anything past hour 12 is unsync
sinful brook
Anything past patch release is irrelevant
daring dome
anything past live letter is a joke
sinful brook
Anything past yoshi p play test is a joke
torn kindle
not completing the content in your mind before it’s thought of by the dev team
hushed yarrow
Now that's just dumb
Like that's not even "haha that wacky yoko taro!" Thats just stupid and ridiculous
quick verge
...yes
yoko taro
it's amazing how his games got a following when they're borderline unplayable
uncut gate
character designs
hushed yarrow
Character designs is code word for butts
blazing pelican
"We're not putting a Savage level mechanic in a 24 man when half of them can barely read"
blazing pelican
O7S but the missiles give a party wide uncleansable paralysis for 30s.
quick verge
o7s but there are no safe spots for missiles
foggy latch
nier wasnt even hard game
even at hardest difficulty
yoko taro only did 1 thing about the whole save deletion thing to help stuck players and thats it also putting savage mech in 24 man lol
undone tide
How can I check my crit rate on fflogs?
Hit 9.7k on GNB in e6s and i doubt it's pure skill since i died once
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/2kTWXNYrnmdjFqZ8#fight=5&type=damage-done&source=35 the parse, if it helps.
undone tide
Ty
Not very high all around...
Except wicked is 50%
Can't see crit on mobile for some reason
undone tide
I see
Well, maybe I'm just good at the game
aside from the fact that I died
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
undone tide
I was dead for like 3 seconds iirc
But I was in no mercy
Got cleaved by a dps tether after conflag
Coulda hit 10k tho.
I didn't pot either because I'm a poor bitch
sullen crater
what exactly is the endgame in this game?
onyx wasp
dont forget about glamour :^)
high ether
yoko taro take pity on melee characters please
crisp kernel
Solo deep dungeons also pretty fun
surreal garden
@blazing pelican "we tried to test our players with some basic elementary level math.... it didn't end well...."
stable basin
Spent the evening progging e7s
Went in thinking i knew the braindead strat
Walked out seeing enrage and learning an even MORE braindead strat
Gonna try go for the clear tomorrow
rigid locust
torn kindle
General assumption is that all weapons have an equal drop rate for extreme trials
So about 1/15 drop rate for the katana from shiva ex since she doesn’t have a GNB/DNC weapon
glossy musk
That’s just randomness. If you did it for say, 1500 times, you should see them all drop around 100 times, with the accuracy increasing as you do it more and more
velvet spoke
question about end game i want to go hardcore are there any prefered tanks?
velvet spoke
Ok thx
glossy musk
PLD/DRK is the preferred safety comp, GNB/PLD usually speed. All are very good and within a smidgen of DPS
stuck wigeon
quick verge
if you're going like
full respecting your keyboard mode
requiescat clemency and tbn spam
pretty good
mint falcon
Well, this tier has been pretty bad for melee overall, so PLD having Holy Spirit is a safer pick for dps. TBN remains as stupid as it usually is and SE themselves confirmed that GNB should be up there for dps
Though if anything, just lose your fear of big cleaves and birds while finding the sweet spot for greed and you should be fine
There are way too many tanks who lose their heads over the bird from what I hear when you can somewhat safely kite it, at least that's what I hear from my friend who mains SMN and got roped into tanking because he won a tank weapon for e8s almost half a year back
unborn panther
Just dont have tank anxiety
stable basin
pld is easy just follow the spreadsheets omegalul
tidal olive
One message removed from a suspended account.
onyx wasp
usually it's the healers getting too close
odd stream
too close and too far?
torn kindle
Yep
daring dome
too close more of an issue than too far
onyx wasp
if they just chill where the red arrow is pointing, they'll be fine for the tethers and the kb
daring dome
"too far" is half the arena
mint falcon
I'm kinda curious, how long does progression though a raid tier last on average (or at least for the last two tiers)?
foggy latch
depends on what you call average time
2 months is decent time
unless your group raid less than 4 hours a week
mint falcon
Ok, two months seems to fit the bill, thanks
nova socket
like 4 days
surreal lintel
Anyone wish the level 80 content wasn’t locked behind beating shadowbringers
olive hearth
The content and the story attached to it is related to MSQ
Nier quests sorta, but the area the quests are in is
stable basin
^
stable basin
absolute hot pile of steaming shit take right there lol
devout hornet
xD i was gonna say "...b-but shadowbringers is like... one of the best stories ive ever experienced ;-;"
not even including 5.3
feral depot
torn kindle
!item espiritus
storm frostBOT
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torn kindle
2 Crit and 3 DH
stable basin
cleared e7s
if we killed it 0.01s later we would've died
the enrage animation and 999999 numbers appeared
p sure like half of us died from it
but we cleared
also fucked up my parse cause healer wasnt on the right side so i had to sacrifice to their orb
but better me than the smner
stable basin
Lucky
Our SAM died a couple times and that weakness debuff hurt
I also prematurely ended my wildfire thinking the damage would be enough
foggy latch
gz binch
olive hearth
Soon
subtle bone
Wtff is that lmao
Isnt 3 wrong? Lol
If corgi left wing is glowing facing south, and blue mirror is on the left, safe would be sw no??
dull radish
I dunno, I don't like trying to think of it visually. I just go by:
- if first hit cleaves blue mirror, stand behind her. Otherwise stand in front of her
- if shiva is facing north, move through to the opposite diagonal immediately after first cleave. Otherwise move after the second hit
subtle bone
Yea idk a lot of ppl solve it differently but that pic is for visuals and looks confusing haha
dull radish
yeah, like it's correct for that single permutation pretty sure, but doesn't really do anything as far as clarity is concerned
subtle bone
Oh i get it, its showing how to resolve just for that one permutation lol
dull radish
yeah
last stone
yeah, that's just a single pattern
last stone
thank u thank u
as for 3, i think red mirror replicates the mech green does, only more delayed
so that's why the wing faces that way
dull radish
yeah that's correct
subtle bone
Ya i assumed it was showing the variables that can help solve the first move
swift jolt
Guys what's the endgame?
daring dome
fashion was correct
wheat marsh
but ultimately, fashion
stable basin
savage/ultimate drop fashion
wheat marsh
its a crapshoot if you like the fashion though
so unless its a popular one to make glams/cosplay with, its probably not high on the desired fashion. maybe as a status symbol
quick verge
yep
unborn panther
60-120h for a skin barely anyone has :)
Mostly ultimates are for people who like a challenge not everyone can complete tho... like everyone who wants to can clear all savages but not everyone who wants to can clear ultimates
surreal garden
@unborn panther what do you mean barely anyone has, ive seen the ultimate weapons all around eulmore and lominsa
i guess granted they are perma afked their because they essentially beat ffxiv to this patch
foggy latch
TEA has more clears than both uwu and ucob merged together
partially cause its newest ultimate + more people are doing ultimates now than when they were new content
undone tide
Also people are selling clears galore
foggy latch
selling clears happen
but its not as common as ppl believe
through finding a sold legend is pretty simple given they usually lurk is casual content
u almost never see em in savage
violet river
I play in Tonberry and haven't try Shiva UL. I did cleared EX during 2.x, so I wonder if there is any different between both?
violet river
Thank you
I will ask around if there is any team can help to invite me for a cleared
glossy musk
Only difference is that you're essentially minimum item level
So things are more punishing
subtle bone
https://i.imgur.com/LPEPsnn.png yayy 7 month triple legend!!
glossy musk
Woohoo grats!!
olive hearth
GRATS
subtle bone
ty 
nova socket
foggy latch
gz binch welcome to triple legends club
subtle bone
thanks lols i take break from game now
stable basin
warm mesa
Hey anyone know fastest most efficient way to lvl from 70-80?
subtle bone
spam dungeons probably
pallid mauve
^ dungeon wiggler, beast tribes, daily frontline roulette
supple sail
Trusts are actually good if your queue times for dungeons normally are like 15mins+
lapis scaffold
So if you're playing dps
wispy basin
torn kindle
rain field
do buffs realistically help for ebtter parses?
like, raid buffs
and I mean in the sense of
does it really matter if your class has raid buffs or not
I can see in parses raid buffs are barely any rdps gain
I can only see dnc making significant buffs to party dps
stable basin
Mostly depends on rdps vs adps
adps includes the benefit you get from raidbuffs so you need to have them to do really well
I have an o8s clear with blm/sam/mch/smn and whm/ast that is a 75 in rdps and 56 adps
but for rdps it's completely irrelevant for jobs with no raidbuffs
for jobs that do have raidbuffs they want the most total damage going out during their buffs which often means having a selfish dps or two
foggy latch
rdps is useless to jobs without raidbuffs
but rdps for raidbuff jobs means you want em to be milked
otherwise you get shit parse
while impact wont be big to make u not meet dps checks
but enough to drop you from orange to purple easily
thats not including dancer partner deaths
which impact rdps much harder
onyx wasp
very rarely
and only to farm bis for tea
just start with e5s if you wanna do savage before 5.4
foggy latch
toxic fern
I mean there will be another raid tier before 6.0 I think
foggy latch
@subtle bone dont tell me what to do you triple legend shitter
subtle bone
high ether
current endgame is E5S - E8S
early December we get E9S - E12S
you can skip E1S-E4S
the only requirement for a savage tier is to have cleared the accompanying normal tier, not the previous savage tier
subtle bone
He ask e4 to unlock tea
silk aurora
viscid wadi
Yea, that's the main end-game stuff. There's other things but they're either way easier (made to be spammed) or way too hard for most
molten otter
there's always pvp :^)
foggy latch
i remember when i posted my ucob clear in erc @subtle bone
quick verge
@foggy latch censor names
subtle bone
thats toxic
foggy latch
yes
strong fiber
Did they shut down PF's due to the maintenance in a bit?
There's like nothing posted on PF rn
nvm
I think it was just me
lusty shale
When I first joined that server I was told never to talk in general because it’s just super toxic
And that person was so right
viscid wadi
what kind of chimps run that server 
undone tide
European ones
stable basin
It's like they all woke up in a bad mood
fierce bobcat
For the second part of the shb relic where you have to do dungeons, do you have to do it on the class you are trying to get the relic for?
stable basin
Yes
grand pecan
Guys where to ask for party here?
quaint marten
terse temple
What if im looking for a meele static dps,where can i search fort that?
quick verge
#recruitment-light
green breach
How tf are people getting their relic weaponss so quickly ..I have 7/9/17 of those things and im now rank 13 surely ppl arent that highhhh
steady pebble
do heavensward fates
gaunt cedar
Hello! Do we need to be on the job that we are chasing to get the Bitter memories
For the new relic
Or can I do it on a diff job and still get the bitter memories
gaunt cedar
ok thank you so much!
versed crown
kinda need it for the msq but i can't really find a party 
stable basin
How's the grind for the new relic?
wintry crystal
not that bad if you do FATEs
wintry crystal
also FATEs go extremely quickly since there's lots of people doing them atm
glass trellis
I did Bozjan front castrum today
One last boss we had a "Alpha team"
What was that?
foggy latch
lyon fight
requires your best dps players to go there
due dps check
if that party fucked it
its a wipe
orchid creek
I've historically run 0 gear piety since 2.x. Not changing now, works great. (continued from ?s n help)
sinful brook
i mean according to the posts from some of the healers in #healer-lounge you're not alone
stable basin
if ppl don't use special logos they def need to push buttons
stable basin
Like if people just have skirmisher and no actives or whatever
It's still possible but actives and such make it a lot easier
and tech like building up focus then life surge lost slash to open
You need to do 5.8m dmg and 16 focus life surge lost slash is like 300k
versed vapor
I never do lyon so i just have the element switcher thingy
Dualcast the element switch on my party
Though idk how useful that is
stable basin
speaking of special logos
torn kindle
Martialist?
nova socket
stable basin
wew
I ran essence of the irregular with banner of noble ends and lost font of power
the cd reset one should be pretty insane too
do buffed up drk/war opener then do it again
foggy latch
300k lost slash? meh
lone path
yo
started playing like 2 months ago maybe and i'm finally caught up (80 WHM)
i've cleared e1-8
i'm looking to do all the Edens gate/verse fights on savage
where would i find like a party to prog E1S with for example, anyone know? or would anyone here be interested in doing something like that? the end goal is ofc to clear shiva savage before the new tier drops
thanks!
daring dome
nowhere
olive hearth
The only glam worth it from last tier is casting too
daring dome
you can do them ofc but you will not find a group for it in pf or as a static ever probably
lone path
oh i don't care about the glam
i just wanna do the fights
for fun i guess lol
i suppose i should skip 1 to 4 since i don' have a lot of time
and prog on shiva takes 10 years
i plan on studying that fight quite a bit before going into it so i can at least be prepared on my side
i like progging though, feels good to see some homies learning and making their way through a fight
wooden silo
hey why do so few people run E6S atm?
olive hearth
E7S has everything 6S has, other than the accessories upgrade material
stable basin
and 7 isn't a clown fiesta
wooden silo
so we should skip Furor basically?
olive hearth
If you want to
sinful brook
I think its a fun fight if you're interested in learning it
quick verge
id recommend running through all of the fights anyway
learning how to react to different situations is a good thing
regal dragon
E6S has a lot of weird timings that help you learn how to adapt your rotation
subtle bone
https://i.imgur.com/kPUIdqV.png pog ucob run
quick verge
how are the golden dps numbers looking though
subtle bone
v good i want
undone tide
not only that, his parses are chad
subtle bone
Egg is a girl
2 more days of reclears maybe hit that rank 1 lol meanwhile i just want a pink parse
subtle bone
Our tank eats exaflares without fail
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/772546834?t=02h57m31s look this is a good one
Straight up walked into the wall
quick verge
i just gagged
subtle bone
LOLS
quick verge
didn't extend kill time long enough though
seeing enrage morn afah is 👌 for your parse
subtle bone
Yea thats normal speed now, final exa kill
thick tide
Is it just me or are sch so much weaker in terms of healing for savage content?
I've cleared e5s a couple of times in different combinations with other healers
And double sch felt super weak had to pop ALL the cds to keep the party alive, while ast/whm + sch feels like the ast/whm is doing all the heavy lifting and you are just throwing a big shield here and there
steady pebble
afaik double sch has always been the worst
because you negate each others' shields
while double whm doesn't hurt too much, assuming you dont need the shields
and ast+ast have the benefit of having two different sects
thick tide
It still feels like the sch numbers are super low
Then again haven't played whm/ast in higher content
Thanks
torn kindle
Yeah double Scholar is just awful IMO
dusty lantern
anyone know a discord server for house decoration
hushed yarrow
So I beat the Shadowbringers MSQ. But my level is still under the 430 needed for some things
Where should I start because this is the first time I’m able to focus on endgame rather than just exchanging tombstones and getting to the next story beat
stiff steppe
did you get your job gear
nova socket
You can just buy full i480 from marketboard
hushed yarrow
@stiff steppe so far i got the job gear I was able to during the main story. But haven’t seen anything new there since then and I visited him before I did the twinning . So I’m not sure when/if he adds new stuff for ya
stiff steppe
he doesn't
Niko's right, the most convenient thing to do would be to buy 480 gear off the market board, assuming you have the money
that gets you up to the minimum ilvl for the current savage tier, which is above basically everything that you'll be doing
loud agate
What would be the easiest way to get to ilvl 500 if I'm at 480 rn
quick verge
cap tomes of allegory each week, buy crystarium pieces, run puppets' bunker + copied factory for coins for upgrade materials to augment the crystarium gear
do bozja/HW fates to work towards an i500 relic
new raid tier is in early december so you prob won't have time to get full i500 before then unless you want to learn savage rn
torn kindle
If you’re willing to work towards it, Bozja gives i495 armor from the Castrum raid inside it
drowsy agate
you have plenty of time to do the first 3 savage fights of this tier
e5s-e6s-e7s along with aug.crystarium will get you all bis pieces except for your weapon and possibly chestpiece
if you want "fastest", assuming you learn fast enough to do the first 3 savage fights of the tier, you can probably get half hour i500 BiS set in a few weeks
I've taught numerous people the whole tier so far and usually most people can prog up to e7s within one month
bleak blade
Wtb group to start Savage raids
bleak blade
I've had no luck so far, tank slots fill up super fast it seems
drowsy agate
honestly, sprout friendly raids are a pretty good way to get into savage raids
just join an e5s learner party and jump into it
e5s is relatively easy enough that you usually won't need to be in a static to get a clear
watch a guide first though
stable basin
^
drowsy agate
this is a great and relatively recent guide
it's shorter and easier to digest than mizteq's guide imo
stable basin
And the visuals are great
stable basin
Only suggestion is making it 0.75 speed or something cause the information moves a bit too fast for me
bleak blade
Is it even worth doing 1-4 at this point?
dull radish
for savage? Not particularly, no
for normal mode, only as a means to unlock 5-8 haha
undone tide
Are there any particular hard points in E7S
quick verge
nah not really
the main difficulty in the fight could be considered the portals, but those have been solved for ages already
and things like the "braindead" strat make it actually braindead
olive hearth
Adds are kinda tight if you aren't careful
undone tide
K
No need to worry about dps on my part, I've got my rotation down
Adds is just kinda challenging to tank
I've been up to adds so far in the little prog I've done
stable basin
e4 only for TEA unlock
quick verge
if you're going to do TEA then you should farm the rest of the fights for the pieces you need for BiS
undone tide
Ic
drowsy agate
assuming you are a prog party, you need to have very few deaths going into it
or else the adds will explode and wipe you
dull radish
it's not very high, really
undone tide
I'm pretty sure I've seen add enrage
drowsy agate
also, someone needs to monitor the health of the adds
undone tide
But it was really unclean
drowsy agate
if one add is dying too fast, DPS need to swap to the other one
if one add dies before the other, the other immediately starts enraging
this is doubly important if one side had deaths
drowsy agate
also, tanks need to not let the adds tether at all
quick verge
look at the hp bar of the adds and this avoided easily
dull radish
you're generally not going to see adds enrage unless people are dying or not pushing buttons at all
in which case it's not a dps check but a "don't die" check
was pretty lenient at min ilvl
drowsy agate
because when they are tethered, they take like 99% less damage
dull radish
is extra lenient with any amount of gear that people have now
particularly better weapons
drowsy agate
in my experience, the 2 phases people get stuck on the longest are the teleports in phase 1 and the add phase
so those are the two "choke" points
the fight's relatively easy after that
most people are able to figure out tornado phase now after seeing it 3 or so times
also, do cross T if you can
it's more forgiving than umbrella
undone tide
What's cross t for
undone tide
Oh, betwixt
undone tide
I do cross t
daring dome
isnt this just the regular pf strat
dull radish
it is
undone tide
T/H stack
drowsy agate
pf in aether does both strats, umbrella and cross T
undone tide
And tp to right or left side
drowsy agate
cross T is the better one though
undone tide
Never seen umbrella in PF
drowsy agate
/||\
undone tide
Must be aether refusing to learn new strats
drowsy agate
that's what people call it too
dude aether still does fucking ilya in pf
9/10 e8s progs are ilya
undone tide
Primal is half Sharingan half Ilya now
dull radish
ilya isn't nearly as bad as people talk about it but um
doing the "umbrella" strat there is actually pretty fine too
though you're only gonna run into cross T so it doesn't matter regardless
drowsy agate
some people i've taught e7s to have said umbrella is much worse on controller than on KB/M
drowsy agate
since the margin for error on the teleport is smaller
dull radish
for either strat you can stand in one place and aim your teleport all the same
drowsy agate
well, the thing is, there's a larger "safe" teleport area for the side lanes on cross T than on umbrella
stable basin
Controller has sticks as opposed to 4 directional movement
drowsy agate
since umbrella has to be really on the edge so the laser doesn't clip the T/H stack
stable basin
So hitting the same angle is hard if you have a really sensitive deadzone
dull radish
cross T is "safer" but you still have a good margin of error
daring dome
i mean its definitely safer without the "
dull radish
I mean in general the idea is you just face your camera so the teleport will move you where you want to go
and then tap forwards before the mechanic goes off
drowsy agate
oh, and one more tip if you're progging
daring dome
umbrella seems like a really cool way to snipe the th stack half the time in learning parties
drowsy agate
a lot of the video guides on e7s are really long
and they explain strats in great detail
undone tide
ezpz is 14
drowsy agate
but in reality most of the strats now are a lot easier
mizteq spends like 10 minutes explaining the teleports in both phases
when it's really just "safe color, move once or move twice"
and for 2nd teleports it's "opposite color, then stay or swap"
undone tide
And Mizzteq is generally a shitty guide maker.
stable basin
Umbrella or as it was reffered to originally "regular t" was the first one we used and we swapped to cross after, never wanted to go back
drowsy agate
i wouldn't say she is shitty
but since most of her strats come out really early, the strats in the vids can be outdated especially this far into the raid tier
undone tide
Well it's not shitty but it's very long winded
daring dome
mr happy wants to know your location
undone tide
Mizzteq is very middle of the road compared to other guide makers
stable basin
Early guides always end up with meme strats because they clear without much of the newer stuff
daring dome
shes one of the people who cuts herself short and sometimes too short
but its a good overview of the fight
undone tide
I want to do CL Conga Line
drowsy agate
yeah that's a giant meme
dull radish
the real fun is when cursed strats are actual strats and not just meant for memes
undone tide
lol
dull radish
always just thinking back to full uptime forsaken 2 on god kefka
or quad feed dolls in TEA
quick verge
uptime icelit
dull radish
uptime icelit is up there
undone tide
uptime icelit? tf
drowsy agate
uptime diamond frost
dull radish
but still gotta give it to kefka for the worst that I've seen/experienced
undone tide
Also is LR really as bad as it's been hyped up to be
dull radish
no
drowsy agate
yes
undone tide
ok
dull radish
which makes LR hard
quick verge
it's blown way out of proportion
drowsy agate
if you're pugging
dull radish
but LR is easy
drowsy agate
it's pretty bad
undone tide
I am not much a fan of this tier
drowsy agate
problem is if one single person messes up LR the whole raid dies
undone tide
the only fight ive actually had fun with is e7s
drowsy agate
so you have to hope the other 7 people aren't mongoloids
quick verge
that's a lot of mechanics
and there have been mechanics that are harder to execute that haven't had as much complaining
undone tide
e6s can go die in a fire
and e5s is eh
I haven't done enough 5s to form an opinion on it
drowsy agate
not to mention possibly needing to learn how to do LR numerous ways
if you pug it, it can really test your patience
with a static it's not so bad
quick verge
if you understand LR conceptually, then it isn't very hard to learn 1 of 2 strats that your DC uses
drowsy agate
well, at least on e6s you usually make some progress
some pugs i've seen get stuck on LR for hours
undone tide
During my e6s clear parties we were wiping to enrage left and right and I hate the fight
drowsy agate
even advertising themselves as post-adds or any later prog
undone tide
I made the mistake of progging after the unlock
drowsy agate
part of that could be because it's really late in the raid tier though
and players generally are less skilled now
quick verge
best time to start progging was 7-8 months ago
when there were reasonable people playing the game
the quality of players this late into the tier drops really low
happens every tier
quick verge
it's made even worse because of covid and shit
undone tide
I.hope next tier is fun
quick verge
the issue that stormblood ran into was that door fights were just supposed to be that
but they got longer each tier
with M/F in alphascape being a full length fight
7-8 minutes, and final omega being another 10 minutes
undone tide
Were there parties that wouldn't jump after getting to 2nd boss
quick verge
shb's 4th floor fights so far just have dead zones that are actual brain rot
stable basin
Both the door fights and the chiasmus structure of the final fights were good ideas but o12s suffered pretty badly form needing to adhere to that
dull radish
you would always jump
it just made sense to
some groups didn't jump for fun sometimes
but if you were looking to actually clear the fight you'd jump to reset cd and everything
undone tide
Yeah I was wondering because some Ruby groups don't wall
dull radish
ruby is pretty free regardless of whatever
quick verge
ruby phase 2 is 2-3 minutes
might take longer to reset and pull than to just finish
unless most of the party is dead
undone tide
2-3 minutes is barely enough for a life cycle lmao
quick verge
3-4 minutes i guess for your average group
still different from a 10 minute fight that has an actual dps check
undone tide
So how does e8s add phase work on summoner, not that I play smn
Do you just not apply dots
quick verge
¯_(ツ)_/¯
i don't touch summoner
iirc you just have phoenix ready by the end of adds
stable basin
u deathflare electric and see how hard u can bonk urself
undone tide
Not like adds does anything to your deeps
stable basin
I imagine you'd at least tri-d earthen
undone tide
Also how do you skip conflag
stable basin
press buttons
undone tide
Oh so you can kill before conflag with baller deeps?
quick verge
yes
undone tide
wow
quick verge
you also need a reasonable comp
undone tide
All e6s parties ive been in are at 20%+ at conflag