laughs as I get Titanias on my clear
#endgame-lounge
pallid vigil
serene lotus
I also got Titty's on my first clear
quick verge
dam u straight up had a stroke in chat
nova socket
I know ironmen who spend literally thousands of hours
for those two items which i got in less than like 10
nova socket
stable basin
@nova socket I've played OSRS since it was RuneScape classic
Congrats to you
Juicy rng
Now go kill corp :)
tough gorge
is there a macro for SoS EX? I can't find one online and I wanna be prepared
also for add phase, who should be on tower and stacks? bc some videos I've seen are a bit conflicting
tough gorge
I'm used to TH taking stack and then bahamuts, and DPS on tower
foggy latch
there are 2 strats for adds
make tank+heal do stack+tether
dps flare + tower
or
make tank+melee do flare + tower
healer+ranger do stack + tether
one is uptime to melee and tank
the other make it braindead to roles
seat of sacrifice has as many macros as tsuukiyomi EX back then for meteors
every damn pf maker has his own special strat for mechanics
fierce bobcat
For Furor Savage, if we are doing soccer uptime, during rakta phase if I'm soaking the actual tankbuster should I still survive even with the vulnerability stack? I'm pretty sure I popped sentinel + shelltron but still got killed. Is this more of a gearing thing since i am ilvl 480?
frozen portal
Any UWU pro here?, is it recommended to use flamethrower at garuda adds?
mortal stone
@fierce bobcat possibly a gearing thing. I’m i498 and I can do uptime soccer and still take the buster
Uptime strats like that where you deliberately disrespect a mechanic typically account for having better gear
I would play around with your cds and figure out what works for you
I like saving invuln for conflag but if you need it there, do it. Tornadoes can be taken with cds as long as your healers are aware
nimble latch
What's the endgame content like in FFXIV? I'm considering swapping from WoW to FFXIV, but that's predicated on the mileage of the endgame
fierce bobcat
essentially what you choose, theres crafting, glamour/transmog, raiding savage tiers, etc
nimble latch
How much replayability is there to raiding?
And does 4 man content remain relevant toward lategame, or does it fall by the wayside in favour of 8 or 24 man raids?
(I think those are the two raid sizes?)
teal plinth
4-man dungeon gear is always just catchup gear.
Also, 24-man raids only have one difficulty, it's not difficult or anything, and it doesn't give BiS gear
The main raiding content is all 8-man
BiS gear is always a mix of Savage raid gear and capped tomestone gear
Capped tomestones are something you get by doing just about anything at endgame, but you can only get a set amount per week
you also need to upgrade said capped tomestone gear with upgrade items from Savage raids
which become available through other means later in the tier
Also some find this very little, but we only get four 10~ minute fights per tier, and tiers last around 7 months
We also sometimes get one Ultimate raid halfway through a tier which are 16min+ boss gauntlets with extremely unforgiving mechanics and only cosmetic rewards
nimble latch
How many tiers per expansion?
lyric summit
3
nimble latch
Four 10 minute long boss fights per tier is fine, as long as there's an incentive to reclear it through the tier rather than just clearing it once and being done with it
We're on tier 2 of 3 for ShB, right?
lyric summit
yeah
nimble latch
And is there any content akin to mythic plus (recleared just for the challenge, infinitely scaling so teams push as high as they can)
lyric summit
nope, there's only really not-that-hard-overall savage and hard af ultimate that can take months of prog for competent groups
lyric summit
rarely cause it's content for just the top 1-2% really, so it's not very high priority unfortunately
2 per expansion, stormblood it was 4.15 and 4.35, now it's 5.15 and probably 5.55
lyric summit
new savage tier yeah
nimble latch
How much of this is current endgame? Just Eden's Verse?
lyric summit
for relevancy in gear etc then puppets' bunker, trials 2, eden's verse
for challenge eden's verse (ish) and all ultimates
lyric summit
they're not exactly as challenging as on release but they're still difficult to prog yeah
nimble latch
I just had a look at some logs, and https://www.fflogs.com/reports/JFKwDVa61R4dtWXk#fight=21 how did they kill a boss six times in one night?
foggy latch
@frozen portal they wont last long enough to maximize its effect
nimble latch
Are bosses infinitely repeatable?
lyric summit
yeah, only loot is timegated
foggy latch
it helps when you are trying to get good logs
and not interested in loot
also helping groups clear by some bored raiders
nimble latch
buoyant tinsel
hi, people for fulmination savage ?
teal plinth
Saw this yesterday
https://clips.twitch.tv/MuddyChillyLasagnaVoteNay
if you use Assassinate as you're getting jailed in TEA, you give alex a cool hat
lyric summit
clever cliff
fierce bobcat
for off tanking how should i manage my tank stance?
should I leave it off before tank swap? or should I leave it on most fight but give tank a buffer
torn kindle
If the fight has a mechanic that targets the 2nd highest person on the enmity list then you generally want to leave the stance on
Though if you do proper swaps with shirk you generally don’t ever need to take your stance off
stable basin
i just keep it off until tank buster cast starts
then its tank stance > provoke which seems to work
pallid vigil
I just do it after my opener somewhere if I do not need to be 2nd aggro for anything
sinful brook
Its also dependent on gear difference. If you're ot and you outgear mt you could rip aggro off them by accident just by doing more damage than them
sonic olive
quick verge
pain
knotty jasper
Hmmm, any phase specific WHM tips for TEA BJ/CC? When do y'all asylum?
I'm actually casting Asylum + Temperance right after Limit Cut to cover 3rd Water/Thunder + Flarethrower + Whirlwind 🤔
But makes me wonder if there's a better management
stable basin
Our WHM used it for:
- Splashes+tank tethers in LL
- 3rd stacks/flarethrower+whirlwind
- Triple enrage
- Optical Sight after Final Word
- First irresistible grace
"It" being asylum~
knotty jasper
Oh good then, I'm using it at the same time - for what we progged so far
stable basin
Yea that seems like a big value spot
IIRC I wanted to missionary there too but our strat didn't lend itself to hitting everyone with it
knotty jasper
Hmmm, we have Asylum + Reprisal + Addle for splashes into Cascade 2, it's comfy mitigation
stable basin
Worth noting that we invulned the drainage tethers so we didn't have the tanks adding mitigation there
So if p1 is comfy for you keep doing what works
knotty jasper
Oh no we bait far then have GNB bolide to take a double tankbuster cleave
It's comfy, just need more prac on BJ/CC lol
Almost made it to Alex Prime, almost.
kind schooner
had pf group for seat of sacrifice do uptime strat where rdps soak stack marker and tanks+mdps go to tower and then rdps+healer take dragon marks, proceed to wipe twice to that phase lol
idk why people dont just roll with the safe known methods esp if you cant pull off the other one
foggy latch
well its pf leader strat
if people cant do it just dont join?
but what you expect from pf mushy brains?
finally ugh
quick verge
what am I looking at
foggy latch
all savage fights have orange+
mystic basin
because pf strats are often hot garbage for worse uptime and not even safer than uptime. case in point: ilya for e8s and dps meteors for wol
steep iris
imagine parsing in 5.3
tough gorge
what does 4231 braindead refer to in e7s?
dull radish
two separate mechanics
4231 is for dps for betwixt world. You have the four things at north that tether to dps. The number refers to the order that dps go with their tether--dps with the far right tether (4th) goes to the northwest. Then 2 and 3 go straight down the lanes in the center, And the person with the far left tether (1st) takes it to the northeast
braindead refers to the unjoined aspect + portals mechanic later in the fight. Instead of spreading out to not overlap AoEs during that mechanic, you can instead stack everyone with the same color together with a bit of mitigation, so you only have to deal with two squares
sinful brook
Were too stupid to not follow diagrams aza you have to consider that
regal quarry
so how hard/easy is doing the raids for blue mages mount?
royal rover
hey guys, just wondering how hard are savage raids compared to normal raids. i just completed eden's verse normal and they dont seem too hard. i also have full il490 augmented neo-isgardian gear except for trinkets
nova socket
Normal mode fights you easily 1-shot blind, savage fights usually take multiple hours to learn, some even days depending on the group
uncut gate
if you haven't done extremes yet, try those first
fleet coral
What's a good way to get into endgame content? I always reach this point in MMOs where I can never find a FC/Guild or become part of a static group. It's a real bummer.
unborn panther
Just make your own
stable basin
Comes down to networking, which there's no easy trick for
Probably just pug a lot, join community pug discords, hop in and do content whenever and hope you can hit it off with some decent people
Recruitment sections here and in other discords
Also some people network by being PF mercenaries, just joining whenever they see 7/8 static needs fill PFs which sometimes ends up being permanent
royal rover
so i m assuming extreme trials are like a stepping stone to savage raids?
and savage raids are the hardest content available right now?
lyric summit
ultimate is harder but yeah
you could say savage is the hardest content you can pug
royal rover
hmm ok, so uh, is the anything i should know about pugging savage raids
apart from watching video for the fight beforehand, ofcourse
like i dont know how punishing those fights are, but i would prefer to not wipe the entire group becaues of my mistake, etc
wheat marsh
i mean on certain extremes you can do that. savage is even moreso
depends on what it is, and when
lyric summit
a video is usually not enough for most fights, so join a practice/kill party first so you can learn the fight properly
subtle bone
You’ll cause wipes often, part of the learning experience
wheat marsh
any news if they are going to alter shiva unreal or not? not really invested in the rewards, just wondering if anyones heard one way or the other
lyric summit
why would they alter it
wheat marsh
heard it elsewhere that there's been negative community feedback that its a little tighter than the original min ilev fight, around 8-11 seconds shorter to enrage?
if you go down the reddit hole it usually ends up in a casual vs hardcore debate that pretty much gives little insight
foggy latch
the main point of unreal is so you do the fight the way it was intended back when it was relevant
while im against the idea of ilvl sync
but guess SE wants that
wheat marsh
supposedly people crunched numbers and its 8-11 seconds shorter based on the math than if you min ilev the 50 ex
foggy latch
shorter??
wheat marsh
to enrage
wheat marsh
when you calculate theoretical dps to hp pool, min ilev 50 ex is supposedly 8-11 extra seconds of uptime til enrage compared to the unreal, if thats all correct math
foggy latch
back then we had instance speed issue
so some instances make fight faster or slower
10 secs isnt really the problem
its ppl who dont even pullbtheir weight
even with my static has all orange players
we barely kill her right before 10th stack
so about 70 secs before enrage
wheat marsh
group i was with kept getting to about 4-6% enrage
wheat marsh
raid static isn't the best comparison to people completing something that's supposed to be a theoretical dual weekly award though, IMO
foggy latch
add to it
u cant duty complete
when pfing
the rewards require alot of grinding for not worth the effort
wheat marsh
i mean i wouldnt be surprised if its a mostly dead thing considering the rewards for effort
foggy latch
unreal system was good idea on paper
but the inplementation was shit as usual from SE
stable basin
If you're looking at just min ilvl ex then I would be absolutely shocked if unreal weren't tighter
Is unreal tighter than actually doing it at level 50 tho
is the real question
stable basin
andb y doing it at 50 I mean during ARR
foggy latch
so i was 15 ilvls ahead entry
wheat marsh
if people that crunched ACT numbers are correct, there's 8-11 more seconds of uptime at min ilev 50 ex considering damage ceilings vs hp pool and mechanics downtime
stable basin
We were skipping things most people with BiS probably didn't skip back then
wheat marsh
and party composition bonus
stable basin
You do absurdly more dmg at min ilvl than you used to do when that ilvl was max
foggy latch
remember pile
we had actually big brain rotations
back then
now u do same dps without really thinking
healers couldnt really dps then too
stable basin
If you only lose 8 seconds of uptime vs doing min ilvl shiva ex then unreal dps check must be way way looser than shiva ex during ARR
foggy latch
cause acc memes
and no dhit or dcrit
dps check is fine as it is
ilvl sync is the issue
should be 10/20 higher
wheat marsh
in terms of average percentage, if it's 20k raidwide minimum to clear min ilev shiva ex, if its 5% more intense on unreal due to the new skills, you'd need 21k raidwide on min ilev Shiva ex to clear shiva unreal. dunno the actual numbers, but that's the theory ACT crunchers are at supposedly.
thats going to impact the more casual people trying to get clears compared to your typical ex/sav/ult raid groups or seasoned PF EX clearers. its just that there's no way to weed out players outside of gear level, though i have 490+ gear and havent completed an EX without echo and havent cleared savage, so one person with low output can ruin 4-5 experienced raid players
foggy latch
i looked on my shiva EX vid
her aoe do 1500 dmg on my 7k tank
and we have
120k hp?
and it does about 30k on me
but i was i110
so i had the extra defense
so yea it kinda hit
tiny bit harder in unreal
wheat marsh
20x damage from 1500ish to 30k-ish, but 7k-ish would be 140k-ish, at 120k-ish? 16-17% difference, dunno about all the other calculation differences behind the scenes
foggy latch
i wont say they are 100% correct on it
but well
they nailed it super close to perfect
wheat marsh
granted that also doesnt account for a lot of other things in calculations we'd probably need same group, gear, and parses from
foggy latch
the bigger problem in it
is the fact they made her still keep doing crit autos
we could have cancel that with awareness
but that doesnt exist + they deleted both awareness + crits from ShB bosses
bow at 10 stacks is super brutal now
than before
when she land 45k crit auto on you
with cds
and bow has higher chance to crit too
wheat marsh
idk it'd be interesting to see % of players attempting, % of attempts clearing, especially with it being past first week.
foggy latch
i dont think there is any real way to track that
wheat marsh
would also be better if it had some drop rewards from clearing as well as the faux tokens
foggy latch
given she dont even give acheivement on clear
wheat marsh
then it would be more like an old EX brought up to 80 sync
foggy latch
which appears as why we dont have duty complete
as game has no way to track if you cleared it or no
wheat marsh
they could have set it to DF only - no preformed parties. THAT would have been a zoo
sinful brook
I think its just super unfortunate how long it'll take to get any rewards if you're unlucky with the minigame
Would be nice to have rhe fight itself award stuff when you have a retelling or are doing it for the first time that week
As it stands right now I have 85/1000 leaves after 3 weeks
Its gonna take me 20 something weeks at this pace for just the mount
wheat marsh
i mean i never get into groups that clear EX content so it was dead to me before it released
Aether may have good statics but outside of that its stinky raid PFs
maybe you get lucky gettin 4 people from a static wanting to clear something
stable basin
question i have my first level 80 so as for equips i start with Neo Ishgardian?
torn kindle
If you want to skip all the gear grinding from i430 to i480, then yes.
stable basin
If you want to skip all the gear grinding from i430 to i480, then yes.
@torn kindle thanks!
stable basin
what do you grind at 480 for gear
teal plinth
upgrade neo ishgardian to 490 using Phantasmagoria mats
cap your allegory tomestones weekly
buy allegory gear
upgrade it with the weekly upgrade you get from puppet's bunker
fleet coral
What's the strat for after you hit lvl50 in crafting classes? I feel like I hit a wall. Should I level up the other MoH jobs to compliment them with crafted gear or just buy them with gil?
stable basin
upgrade neo ishgardian to 490 using Phantasmagoria mats
@teal plinth ty senpai
stable basin
At 480 you can easily get into savage
@urban temple can do savage with neo ishgardian?
olive hearth
Yeah you can
Make sure to meld in them though
Use balance guides to check substats priority and meld accordingly
stable basin
ok thanks a bunch
unborn panther
Guys how hard are the ultimates compared to e8s?
Shiva was a 2 day prog, then clear for me when i did it 1st time but my current static is struggling extremely hard. I wanna know if its worth to keep trying and later go for ultimates with them
Cause rn i rly cant tell anymore
stable basin
Ultimates are quite a bit harder but like the gap between E8S and UWU rn isn't worlds away
Difficulty is pretty hard to quantify but I'll go back to the old standard estimate of ~30 hours for a week 1 savage group to clear the tier and 60~100 hours for a fresh group to clear an ultimate
That's with savage having a much tougher dps check so mechanically ultimates are quite a bit more demanding
unborn panther
well we're 10h into shiva and got past adds once
stable basin
that is... not a good sign
foggy latch
10 hours for just past adds is a lot
odd stream
anyone who heals in SoS EX?
ive had a hard time keeping up consistently with thhe damage in the add phase
do i just spam gcd heals
torn kindle
I like popping my mitigation stuff like Seraph and Temperance for the add phase.
foggy latch
i pop asylum and temperance
along with regen on tank
and i use my 3 lilies at both flares and stacks
after bahamuts i completely stop healing
and go full dps mode
drop bene on tank
if i say that extra buster coming
odd stream
and thhe tank should mitigate the adds correctly right
foggy latch
i met alot of tanks who dont use cds at add autos
and end up with 5 digit hp at buster
so i have bene rdy in case
odd stream
in my experience tanks drop fast maybe because they're not mitigating it
foggy latch
other healers should have easier time to heal adds
than whm
since most their aoe heals are cds
and easier time healing tanks with almost no gcd healing
odd stream
lily is a damage gcd with an aoe heal attached
foggy latch
its still 100 potency loss per usage
odd stream
well sch needs to use ruin ii which is 60 potency loss to weave in ogcd heals
foggy latch
can weave when you reapply dot
so u dont lose as much
since u want to dot both adds
uncut gate
in my experience tanks drop fast maybe because they're not mitigating it
@odd stream Tank will be hit with by at least two tank buster, and like Triple mentioned there's a DMG Up that needs to be silenced
odd stream
its just baad tanks i was practicing witth i noticed
i went in to a farm run
and it was fine i noticed
runic brook
Any tips for starting savage raids? Other than researching mechanics of course
teal plinth
The move Shiva does after switching to Bow, Glass Dance, does that always face the main tank or someone at random
cause I could've sworn it was random but had someone in this party arguing that she always faces MT with it
uncut gate
MT pretty sure, because I can bait it if i just eat the circle aoe 100% of the time
i'm not sure if it's technically MT or just whichever direction she happens to be facing at time of snapshot (which would be where the MT was)
foggy latch
its faced toward MT the moment it snapshot at that position
totally baitable toward north always but require tank eating the vulnerable stack
iron hawk
another shiva question
if it stays on "your" weapon as a tank, do you swap? or do you just stay on her
torn kindle
Stay on her
odd stream
staff gives stacks that make you weaker to sword and vice versa
vale vine
There any guides on crafter gear progression? I'm returning and sitting at Professional Gear in my slots, aside from Swallowskin belt, and HQ dwarf accessories. None of them are penta melded.
My stats are 2407/2281/466 without food though
Not really sure what to do next
odd stream
I would suggest checking out the Balance discord
stable basin
is it worth to buy ornate neo ishgardian gear? or save my planiclusters?
steady pebble
ornate is not worth buying
stable basin
ornate is not worth buying
@steady pebble why? well thinking of this after neo i can upgrade to allegory gears right?
torn kindle
Ornate is simply too expensive for how little total use you'll get out of it.
stable basin
Ornate is simply too expensive for how little total use you'll get out of it.
@torn kindle thanks for the tip ty senpai
strong fiber
Damn Shiva unreal is more difficult than MM EX. That dps check for shiva is wild
zenith ravine
people available to farm memoria misera ex glam?
sinful brook
The dps check isn't awful, but coordination on pugs can reduce overall dps
And things like lack of rotational knowledge
foggy latch
shiva unreal is close to savage level in terms of dps check
ty for ilvl sync there is a limit on how your skilled play can carry baddies let alone those who die
sinful brook
I think it's a fine way for people to be introduced to harder content
Not terribly difficult in execution but small things can set you back
slow tusk
Does Feint work with WoL’s TB?
simple sky
i would think yes
it would be absolutely bizarre if it were magical, but I don't put it past SE
torn kindle
literally slices you with a sword
"What do you mean it's magic"
stable basin
pots and pans are magic apparently
also I thought sos ex was gonna be some unfun cryptic nonsense clownfiesta like thicc dad ex but it's actually pretty fun
stable basin
varis thicc af
spice thicket
Is it still an alright time to get into ex trials etc?
sinful brook
varis thicc af
@stable basin you got me there. That's where zenos got it from
!faq juicy
storm frostBOT
vivid apex
Question : I want to restart doing raids. Last I did was an alex. What is the smoothest to get back into it?
solemn heron
go into PF and just join a learning party for e5s or any current extreme
of course look up a video first
vivid apex
Ty, yeah that is a given
surreal garden
@storm frost zenos: YES YEESSS
@vivid apex just jumping into a refulgence learning party or if you wanna relearn your class i suggest getting act and learning Seat of sacrafice extreme
its a pretty decently hard fight
vivid apex
Thanks
ember saddle
P1 is all scripted so P2 is where the fun is
lofty crane
I know i wont hit BiS
but I was comparing stats with PB gloves & Aug cryst stats
would it be better to use PB gloves over Aug cryst?
lyric summit
hard to tell when you cut off the names of the secondaries but either way no, mainstat wins
lower ilvl only has any chance whatsoever at being better when it has a lot more secondaries than normal, like 5 materia slot i480 idealized beat some 490 pieces, but that's not the case here
spare stump
hello im not sure if this is the riight sub channel for this question, but i was wondering how exactly does end game armors/weapons drop? or rather obtained? my only other mmorpg experience is from wow ( which i only played until level 37) and based from i read on both final fantasy online and wow, armors are dropped in dungeons or crafted?
lyric summit
there's a lot of different sources, for most of leveling the main scenario quests give a lot of gear good enough to progress, starting at 50 you're able to get a "allagan tomes of poetics" currency from doing level 50 (or non-leveling 50/60/70) content and buy better leveling gear from vendors with that currency, quest rewards or dungeon drops for 51-59 again, poetics for lvl 60, quests/dungeons 61-69, poetics for 70, quests/dungeons 71-79, and at 80 there's separate currencies meant for endgame obtained from level 80 content, one is unlimited for ok-ish gear, one's weekly capped for higher item level gear, plus gear drops from different endgame raids, dungeons, weapons from extreme trials
calm geyser
Hey very simple question about FCs. How do I assign what rank people get when they join the FC. It keeps giving them one of the officer roles
torn kindle
@calm geyser the rank that has the icon of a spiked ball is the default rank that players are assigned to when they join.
torn kindle
From what I’m reading, no. Though the threads I’m finding are very old
You’ll just have to swap the privileges and names of the two ranks to resolve it.
neat dagger
Is omega m and f post story shadowbringers
teal plinth
post-stormblood, part of the omega raids
tight dock
How long did it take you peeps to find a Static where you feel comfortable and good? 
stable basin
took three tries for me, and the third I was invited to
stable basin
Hello everyone
sinful brook
I'm on static number 1 and I did most of the "recruitment" work
sage berry
static no 3
olive hearth
In my first static, is nice and cool
pallid vigil
Took me many, but most of them I'm on good terms to this day
I can only recall only one or two that didn't like me
slim swallow
Is this bad for the newest extreme ? Keep in mind not fully melded nor using food or pots. Had 10 seconds left
Percent rather
sinful brook
!faq sss
storm frostBOT
sinful brook
That said if you kill the dummy you're probably fine
The combined check for sosex is like 70k?
lyric summit
if you're in i490 gear and cant kill a dummy for an extreme then you're prob doing something wrong tho
sinful brook
So you're a tad low as a dps player
They usually clock in at about 14k on average play
That number would be fine as a tank or healer though
foggy latch
depends on ilvl
9900 dps as dnc is low on dummy
even for i470
even without accounting rdps gain by partner and buffs alongvwith procs
slim swallow
I think I’m i483? I need to do it again with pots and fully melded with dancer food. I’m sure I’ll hit it then
lyric summit
are you using standard step on cooldown or when the buff runs out
slim swallow
On cool down o.o is that wrong
lyric summit
no thats good
slim swallow
Ok lol I used to do it closer to the buff running out but then I noticed if I do it on cool down I can do it I think 3 or 4 times before technical step and the skill that boosts crit rate for yourself and dance partner come off cd
But I get confused on the order of technical and that skill, which goes first, I’m worried that if I do the self and dance partner crit buff first it won’t boost the technical step when it initially hits
lyric summit
standard at -15s, finish at 0, tech at 1s, finish, flourish, gcd, devilment+fd3 -> press glowing buttons and everything on cooldown
finite plank
tried dnc myself, got 12-12.5k ish
flat roost
What rewards does the Extreme version of the new trial give?
torn kindle
i495 weapons and the regular mount/crafting material/orchestrion roll
unborn panther
The weapons are actually stupidly strong for some jobs
sage berry
Basically i think its Edenchoir>Aug-Crystarium>WoL EX>Reg-Crystarium now?
stable basin
by ilvl yea
relic also about on par with reg crystarium, better for a few jobs at least I think
torn kindle
Yeah either 495 or 500
stable basin
prolly 495 because they don't like giving us useful stuff
sage berry
495 since current relic is 485 which is equal to ruby
stable basin
then again the 485 relic is super good
sage berry
always gonna be worse than raid gear
sage berry
Isn't that what normally happens?
Plus unless you're doing Savage you don't really care about ilvl that much
stable basin
tome weapons are really awful in general and probably need some sort of update
this relic step is crazy convenient tho
steep iris
aug tome is actually bis for ast and sch iirc
sage berry
lul
stable basin
Aside from healers cuz lol piety tome weapons have the problem of being really bad stepping stones
stable basin
The tiny ilvl bump over EX would only be worth it to the kind of people who aren't lining up to dump 1k tomes on a throwaway weapon
steady pebble
esters will most likely be added to coins when they unlock savage
Generally, the weapon augment item is added to 24man tokens at a later date
sage berry
they unlock the current tier when the next tier arrive right?
steady pebble
in the past, yes. but they've unlocked savage sooner than that
and since 5.3 was delayed, they mentioned they're going to unlock it sooner than usual
foggy latch
esters wont be added til 5.38 by puppet coin
so much after savage unlock
which with either happen tomorrow or 5.35
sage otter
How hard is to get a pf for savage prog this late on patch? I wanted to clear this tier but just unlocked
sinful brook
I don't think its undoable but understand were like 30 weeks into the tier. The people who haven't cleared likely won't or are people in late starting groups
It definitely is a your mileage may vary kinda deal
I would say put up some party finders and see how you learn
olive hearth
Experience for the future never hurts!
sinful brook
Just get aza to carry you
olive hearth
Squadrons are an NPC group that you can take in limited dungeons or send out on 18 hour trips by themselves for extra things.
It's essential to use them to get to Captain rank
A question more suited for #questions-and-help though
As squadrons are not relevant at all in endgame content
cold turtle
so we know WHAT the new stage of relic weapons look like
when do we get to see them in game?
foggy latch
rip we reached uwu transition but we messed up woking 1 primal so lahabrea wiped us
torn kindle
:0
high tree
You mean lahabrea isn't just a punk we beat on end of prae?
Guy is actually strong? Ahaha
odd stream
the bird tank buster of Ramuh
doesnt have an aoe around it right?
only crippling from Ramuh right
quick verge
neither
sinful brook
Both are single target
little rivet
hey guyz, PLD seems to be far more interesting since SHB with his new spell,
do you think that it became one of the, or the funniest tank to play ? (because of his versatility, new spell and free double dash)
i was WAR before, going to play again, and dont want to WAR again
in fact, i wonder if i should go as PLD, DRG or WHM to play again with my gf (who's going to bard), and i'm asking wich classes should be the funniest, i'm rebuilding a char, my old one was :
i did all savage as Warrior, and i'm asking to myself if i want to continue, or doing savage as other role
cause sometimes, its really boring imo
but i know that playing as DPS is harder to found a rooster
Let me know what u're thinking, and ur experience
foggy latch
fun is subjective
what you might find fun may not be fun to another person
so all i can say is try everything
and seek what is fun to you
little rivet
even if its subjective, there is many details who permit to say if a class is more or less boring to another one, in the same role
and as u could see, i already tried many jobs
but warrior is too slow, and boring now imo, even if i did savage with good parse before
(i know, been a long time)
supple sail
PLD is also quite slow, with a similar rate of actions per minute to WAR
little rivet
seems to got more tools anyway, and war dash need ressource, when PLD have 2 free dash oGCD
supple sail
Opinion on its new rotation vary, some find it more stimulating while others find it a bit jank and unintuitive
little rivet
thanks for u answers btw ❤️
supple sail
It is a lot of buttons for not that much effect
little rivet
there is many ppl who said that DRG is also slow
i lvled up all other melee
what about him
supple sail
DRG is the slowest melee in terms of GCD as it has no speed buff
little rivet
and his oGCD do not balance it?
supple sail
I believe its apm are around the same as monk, since monk has a fast gcd but very few ogcds
little rivet
dont want to lvl up it if its slow as tank classes
oh nice !
i loved monk, but it was too simpler imo (was my main classe for heavensward savage)
supple sail
Dragoon is pretty steady and straightforward
little rivet
k i'll try, then i'll see if its fun, ty for or feedback
in fact i think my funniest classe was probably mnk/nin atm
supple sail
You repeat a linear gcd rotation that’s 11 gcds long
supple sail
And don’t double weave very often
little rivet
what "weave" mean
torn kindle
Using abilities between your GCDs
lone path
What do you mean by double weave?
little rivet
douyble oGCD
lone path
Like 2 OGCDs in between 2 GCD moves?
little rivet
sound like it
lone path
Word
Im not familiar with most classes so I dont know if that would be wasting any GCD uptime
little rivet
as tank its ok, as nin sometimes u have to
bbut as drg, and animation lock, maybe u cant
lone path
Also anyone wanna run "the navel (hard)" in like 20 minutes? I can't use party finder cause im on free lol
Ah ok thanks^ good to know
supple sail
DRGs do double weave
just not very often
their opener has like two instances of double weaving I think?
jumps do have longer anim lock which prevents effective double weaving
quick verge
your weave windows on drg get pretty packed at times
foggy latch
i love yoshida at times
act being outdated or calculating wrong
i know its 4 years old meme
but its funny still
torn kindle
Remember when they didn’t think of players doing pre-pull Huton for ninja when it came out
stable basin
Tanks/heals pick cardinals
DPS jump off during HW castbar
Tanks/heals share first defamation mid then run to their assigned cardinal
DPS accept rez during Ion Efflux cast
One of the healers will get short stack so they need to take care of themselves for that
unborn panther
I got struck with an great idea yesterday
What if we just stop doing ilya LR in PF shiva groups and instead get used to any other strat since literally all other ways to handle it are better?
steep iris
be the change u want to see
people changed the majority strat with line strat in o9s
so it's possible
unborn panther
My ayatori PF had 1 guy join in 50min
quick verge
get dozens of people to make awareness pfs about the strat
unborn panther
Doesnt matter if early or late, look at SoS Ex
Everyone adapted the day1 guide strats without thinking for themselves. 90% use that 30 liner macro u get from reddit even tho its absolute shit
daring dome
dont even know whats wrong with the sos ex day 1 strats
ninja uptime is what we have and everything else seems like a waste of time
had a guy peddle us his melee uptime strat for towers and it worked about as well as everyone expected for a sick gain of like 1 gcd
daring dome
he put tank in tower and rdps/healer bahamut
rdps undergeared
other healer shook and cried
ironically he also got clipped by healer stack so thats big funny
unborn panther
Add uptime is quite a large difference for melees in sos ex, also makes it much easier for the phys ranged to lb2 both adds. Then there is the confiteor placements, wyrm uptime for if the eye marked player is a melee and a safe way to dodge lb3 without accidentally running out of melee gapcloser distance
Also bahamut uptime
Most is just common sense to not clip ur friends with confiteor AoEs. And if ur tank is good u can even play sword of light2 uptime
sinful brook
But are those really uptime "strats" or pf discovering common sense for the first time?
stable wasp
so this isnt exactly endgame but its not really great for the normal channel but i think i actually figured out what the hell the tell for the deathly ray masks in the final boss of amaurot is
took me way too fuckin long to figure out but i think its just the aura under them
quaint marten
Oh uhh i just tanked the first hit and pretended its an unavoidable raidwide.
It doesnt give vuln like normal messed up mechanics so i just whatevered it
stable wasp
aura's gonna be more flare-y underneath the masks that shoot first
i was just doing amaurot and i was trying to figure out the tell so i stop standing in the wrong one first
molten otter
question
just started healing on a real job (AST) and i'm kind of confused about diurnal vs nocturnal sect
do i just use it depending on co-healer?
lyric summit
yeah pretty much, though double regen is fine too for most casual content, its just the shields that overwrite each other so you don't want a noct+sch
and in 4man just use whatever you want, though regens are a bit more value over the shields afaik
stable basin
regens are way higher potency because all else being equal getting healed before the damage happens is much stronger than getting healed 20 seconds later
most ppl will go noct if there's a whm but it's usually not actually efficient unless you need to to prevent people from getting oneshot
light yarrow
any up to play ff14 ?
tough gorge
for betwixt in e7s
where should I exactly stand if I have 2 or 3 tethered to me? bc I find that I keep getting caught in the other middle aoe despite me being at the front
would this work?
also is it the healers that get the stack marker?
daring dome
yes healers get the stacks
and you can angle your birds a bit
the t/h shouldnt be in danger
tough gorge
also my fc leader suggested that we do 1234 instead of 4231
with 1 and 4 going to the very corner of their side
saying it's a lot more braindead for dps
daring dome
thats dangerous
tough gorge
yeah that's what I was thinking as well honestly it's a lot riskier
daring dome
wrong angle can clip t/h
theres absolutely nothing wrong with the strat you posted earlier
tough gorge
like it does work it's just
really risky
especially when you get back with thee and you can't see SHIT
wet pine
both are pretty braindead lol
tough gorge
yeah they are it's just one is much safer
wet pine
^
wet pine
there's no reason dps cant remember cross t
daring dome
tell them to stop changing strats for no reason
in fact dps might suffermore because they have to watch where they teleport more
tough gorge
I actually hadn't considered that
daring dome
and also pf uses 4321 so its double L
tough gorge
yeah
I mean if it worked for my fc leader it's fine but if we're progging might as well respect mechanics and be safe
daring dome
the thing is theres only downsides
if there was a uptime gain or whatever you can consider it
but theres no gain
only suffering
wet pine
well the gain is that its less thinking
but like the amount of more thinking for cross T
is super minimal
daring dome
arguably more thinking
because you have to actually angle your teleport more correctly
tough gorge
nah I think 1234 is more thinking yeah
daring dome
instead of just aping to your corner wherever
wet pine
Ah I always go to the corner no matter what
so I guess if you don't do that its about the same
tough gorge
bc you gotta go right to the very edge of the corner to be 100% safe
wet pine
free movement gang
daring dome
im healer gang so id appreciate not getting violently murdered by the greeding melee
stable basin
You're only changing the position of 2 things for cross T it is not any more thinking and safer
wet pine
yeah its really just better to do cross T
stable basin
Cross T is great
stable basin
Having to aim for the very edge feels like ass with regular T
wet pine
if people walk off the edge for beginning of e8 then I wouldnt trust them to stand on the edge for e7
daring dome
im waiting for the moment i walk off the edge on mirrors
i always think ill do it today but i havent yet
my moment will come
wet pine
I feel you
I always sprint to the very edge so waiting for the day I walk off
gotta get those glares in 😤
daring dome
i dont pop sprint because my poor fingers
i just get an extra glare instead
and slidecast over
stable basin
There's a nice comfy spot around where the intercardinal diamond patterns are that the two circles cut off pretty early on
daring dome
you can greed 2 glares after dot refresh
then lily run to your spot
another glare
slidecast to the egde
then assize to the other side
stable basin
Driving is 🙏
daring dome
driving gang
duality of man during mirrors
my tank always cries when we get driving and i celebrate
wet pine
For driving I swiftcase glare sprint to N and then glare spam until my assize comes up and slidecast my assize to the other side
for the other one I swiftcast glare sprint to edge then I do a lily assize to the other side
glacial sky
Any tips for a WHM / SCH healing a GNB through TEA mines?
foggy latch
usually pld or drk eat the mines
but that was with group i had
given they kinda offer fast applying mitigation
glacial sky
Trust me I wish I had a drkbut we've got a pld gnb instead
glacial sky
Well, idk if we want to relearn, we've got all the way up to final pass with gnb but with a 50/50
Guess it's more time limit
foggy latch
you could use superbolide
but
but idk how you gonna do the 2nd alexander buster
or pop more mitigation at mines
outside alexander busters he does nothing
so u can use as much cds as you can in BJ+CC
foggy latch
i dont really remember how my tanks did it
but pretty sure he used at least 2 cds there
subtle bone
rampart+overshield+regen should be enough if you have cc tank taking mines
just gotta heal him right after cause autos
stable basin
heart of light for mines unironically
glacial sky
We have GNB taking it with Nebula and HoS but our SCH is doing recit+excog, I've told them to try recit shield for next time since it really seems like the mine does enough damage to tell excog to fuck off
Annoying when they have ice though, we'll try our pld interventioning them
stable basin
relying on excog for stuff like that can be dangerous
2 dmg sources each do 65% max hp, first one you shield them for 20%
Hit 55% after the first, excog doesn't pop, take 65% from second and die
glacial sky
@sweet blade Shush I'm progging 
Wait they do max hp damage?
Has it always been like that?
sweet blade
glacial sky
Okay, point still stands though you're right
Definitely think overshields will benefit more
Consistently hitting 65-70% hp anyhow after first mine
olive hearth
With 7S teleports, any tips on managing it on controller
subtle bone
Face camera in the direction you need to go towards, press up directional before the teleport goes off
So if your teleport is going <left and you need to tp to the NE corner(from the center during betwix) , you would face camera south then press up directional to end your left tp marker facing ne
That was easiest way for me after switching from standard to legacy
dull radish
Yep that's the general suggestion, makes it cozy. For reference as well, as far as BLM is concerned. For betwixt I believe you get a poly stack like, just before then, so you can use that to make it easier to turn.
During adds phase try to situate yourself so you're on the correct side of the add to keep hitting it without having to turn to line up the teleport--like if the teleport is directly behind you, you want to be situated directly in front of it facing it, kind of thing. I think you might also happen to get a xeno right before that resolves too? But that one's easier to manage, regardless @olive hearth
supple escarp
Is this the place to ask for help with Amaurot?
subtle bone
No
untold oyster
Doing uwu nowadays is boring as hell
3 dummy fights and then you fight ultima
Having to hold dps is the most unfun thing ever
They should retune these old fights 
subtle bone
ya holding sucks
should only ever need to for maybe garuda, if u want to skip ifrit dashes
urban jasper
supple escarp
so where would you ask for help with dungeons?
not help doing the dungeons, but advice on certain bosses
torn kindle
#questions-and-help is the General go to for help/advice on dungeon bosses
stable basin
holding dps in uwu 
only thing that really messes up rotations is skipping dashes
you'll usually kill around the same time anyway
untold oyster
should only ever need to for maybe garuda, if u want to skip ifrit dashes
@subtle bone we don't want to skip ifrit dashes because it messes up damage cooldowns
so we stop doing damage if he's at 5% with the stack attack
foggy latch
uwu is crap as dnc
i have to delay tech everytime
cause it comes at last 10% of each boss
except titan
since transition is super long
subtle bone
Ya its crap for smn too if we dont hold, tho i hate holding dps lol
Our dancer got a 97 on our first clear, not sure how
quick verge
outskilled the other dancers
foggy latch
was lucky with stuff
stable basin
crit harder on plumes/nails
arctic latch
Was wondering as a culinarian how do I cooking for HQ foods, the skill rotation at level 80? 🙂
supple sail
Go get the DoH role in #612757637813239808 so you can access #doh-dol-lounge
can ask questions and look at pinned resources there
arctic latch
ok ty
frozen portal
how much time it usually takes to clear UWU after hitting ultima for the first time?
subtle bone
1-2 weeks tops
Uwu is a 30-40 hr raid, once you see suppression, any pull could be the clear
foggy latch
i say uwu take about 50-60
usually anything after predation take about 20 hours
if not less
since u still will meme gaols
and annihilation
untold oyster
we hold big raid buffs during the end of Titan because they’ll be like 10-15s on cooldown when ultima appears if we don’t
I can still trick tho 😎
Titan still dies before or during the landslides so
stable basin
I feel like seeing ultima prolly halfway point but ymmv
you only need one pull where you reach suppression with the drk pooling resources for gaol and someone with their head screwed on straight getting light pillar and you'll see the end of the fight
and unless you have an absurd number of deaths you should win the dps race
stable basin
Hey y’all where can I find a static raid group?
snow plover
next smelt
Is it kosher to roll need on farm content like eden normal? I'm only interesting in the glamours and I suspect everyone else is the same because everyone's rolling need. Thanks!
steady pebble
yes its fine to roll need on the tokens
unborn panther
Static recruitment discord
mental cove
Any AST mains here can let me in on their pref SpS value when min-maxing?
nova socket
https://etro.gg/gearset/0471474f-3d17-4b5a-8532-2905c6dbd981 for speedrunning
https://etro.gg/gearset/a43e8e97-5de6-411b-8471-40758fb0030b for casual savage
mental cove
Thanks! @nova socket
halcyon bramble
So I have a question for whms who have cleared or atleast passed add phase of e7s. I am wondering what is the the best way to heal during that phase. Since it is a lot of moving I am just wondering what others have done to heal effectively
urban temple
There is downtime during stacking and when you're standing still for the teleport things. Otherwise its just tank damage.
Ideally you have your healers split and half the raid is managed by each
halcyon bramble
Yeah, though whm is not very agile is it best that I run ahead of the mob to the corner where the tank is pulling the mob to unless we have to stack of course. Or is it better to stick to the mob and move with them casting when I can?
daring dome
the first stack on adds has more time after it
so you can do stuff like place aslyum down on the safespot
to heal up without having to worry about the 2nd stack
3rd stack comes quicker than the 2nd so you do something like confession > lily
if you have all 4 people in the stack people will be left with like ca 40k hp or something
you can actually barely survive with 3 if everyone is full
the stack afterwards you usually shouldnt see but if you do theres more than enough time
sticking with the mob doesnt do anything
also protip you can dot all 3 adds for more movement
more than recommended actually
halcyon bramble
Yeah Ive been adding the dots to the adds
daring dome
but yeah thats basically it
whm has no problem keeping both tanks alive
throw a bene if theres no drk in your party
halcyon bramble
Thank you! We have a pld and a gunbreaker
distant void
yes
vale vine
For MNK: What's the optimal way to reach max GL stacks at start? Is it Anatman or a PB into SP?
or neither.
Twin Snakes -> Demolish -> PB -> Snap Punch x 2 -> Swap from FoF to FoW -> SP?
vale vine
thanks
midnight hollow
what was good dps for mch in stormblood
im getting 7k on dummies without meld at lvl 70
i think i remember getting 8k+ on my blm on dummies in stormblood
torn kindle
Most DPS jobs at endgame stormblood were like 8-9k IIRC
With SAM/BLM nearly breaking or barely broke 10k
quick verge
you got close to 10k with 80% balance uptime on blm in a full party situation
7.5-9k
midnight hollow
😔
i dont remember anybody being that high when i played
i played when suzaku was current
well she was just released around the time i left
stuck wigeon
nah fam people werent hitting 10k dps end of stormblood
8k was orange for most jobs
stable basin
Someone did get 10k pre-echo in alphascape
That 80%+ balance blm was not a typical situation tho
quick verge
there was like 2 or 3
holis cube being one
but yeah getting 10k required that premium pad
midnight hollow
that feels better then
i guess im around average
mch is pretty easy
especially because of how mobile it is
no cast times
i started yesterday... hardest part so far is eyes being stuck to cast bar but hopefully i dont need to do that once i get used to it
midnight hollow
the hotbar where u put skills
stable basin
L70 dps is a bit wack because some kits got less functional at that level but there's also a lot more potency going around
7k means you're probably hitting your buttons decently tho
foggy latch
remember
we got our accs and belt buffed as ShB released
we got about 300 extra main stat from it
olive hearth
In E6S what is babysteps
Like I get moving bit by bit to dodge the line AoEs, but what direction
E -> W? On the edge of the boss? In-out?
stable basin
I think the strat is just move closer to center
cursive trout
is someone willing to help me understand the phase one portal mechanics in E7S?
I don't understand when the portal swaps between red shots and blue shots
after the initial shot I mean
stable basin
The portals pass the birbs between each other
Like you have
Red Blue
Blue Red
Red Blue```The red portal on the right is shooting into the blue portal on the left
So the next shot will be fired out of a blue portal on the right
Same deal with light and dark, if light shoots out of red and into blue then blue will shoot light in the next set
stuck wigeon
the second portal set is even easier
its either stay all the way or swap after each light is shot
midnight hollow
hows this 
as mch
oh last boss
eros
im trying to figure out fflogs
if i can compare it to other people
idk if they even keep track of dungeons
woven nymph
do you get anything from clearing all job quests to lv80? already got the amaro but i feel like i missed something
stable basin
there's the bonus role quest
lyric summit
titles
stable basin
other than that, just a sense of pride and accomplishment
lyric summit
each lvl 80 job quest gives a title
woven nymph
aighto
thank!
remembered the clearing all job quests to lv50 achievement and was wondering if there's a lv80 equivalent
rapid sapphire
Omni 80 combat gets a mount
supple sail
they already got the amaro
stable basin
For TEA, can two people with the same color Nisi touch each other without dying? Before gavel or verdict though
quick verge
yes
stable basin
If i interpret it right, theres no need to do Eden savages in order anymore right? I want to start doing them but doing them in order sounds like a pain
steady pebble
yes, you dont have to do them in order since they are no longer weekly locked
stable basin
Sweet
high ether
they are roughly ordered in general difficulty
though a lot of people think e6s and/or e7s are easier than e5s
e8s however is by far the most difficult fight in the tier
so I wouldn't recommend jumping straight into e8s
stable basin
Yeah that's valid
I've been looking at e5s
E7 is some mind fuckery and i haven't really seen e6
high ether
e5s is not a bad place to start
it has a really long, lenient burn phase before the enrage
so if you can make it through the mechanics, have decent dps, and did not fall behind too far, you can usually burn Ramuh down there
sinful brook
7s isn't as bad as the game makes it out to be. A lot of the mechanics are trivialized by understanding where to stand, no colour processing is needed or portal understanding
stable basin
Fair enough
E7n was the only one i really struggled on
But if portal understanding isnt needed that doesnt sound too bad
wheat marsh
ive heard e7s easier but e6s is only rivaled by e8s this tier
but im not touching savage anyways
daring dome
e6s is very easy
if you skip everything past conflag
if you dont then its as hard as e5s
wheat marsh
e6n and e8n are hardest once you get e7n. e5n is just making sure pugs dont drop clouds together.
daring dome
normal?
wheat marsh
yeah
e6n is easily my worst, then e8n
the other two its more if the pugs can handle portals and dropping clouds apart
e8n is mostly reacting to attacks and mirrors that arent scythe kick, and forgetting about the one push
if people stacked in normal like they do for EX stuff, then e8n probably wouldnt be a problem for me since its easy enough to follow a leader in that case
daring dome
e8n is like
really easy
even when i just did it when i was new
nothing kills you
and you have to remember like 2 things
sinful brook
8n doesn't have anything that's suppossd to intentionally mislead or wipe your party
And with dps nowadays you can skip a lot of the fight
wheat marsh
its not like wiping besides the DPS check part with some groups, i just tend to get vuln stacks since i haven't memorized the safe spots for mirrors
and ive probably died to that push more than i care to acknowledge XD
sinful brook
Dw my friend had died to that heavenly strike too much too
wheat marsh
mostly since im on range/caster dps and am a decent amount away.
e6n is by far and away my worst, its just e8n is worse for me than e5n and e7n as i do what i need to on those, its the others in the party more, whereas its more me in e6n and e8n
finite plank
"Clearly, Heavenly Strike must be another tankb- ah fuck it's a knockback"
wheat marsh
its just so random XD at least the knockback in memoria comes from a specific shield
steady pebble
well, heavenly strike is a knockback in shiva ex
pretty sure its in normal version too but i think most people dont see it these days since you kill pretty quickly
wheat marsh
even if its in the normal you didnt really need to watch the cast bar in most normal duty
and nobody coming in post HW did shiva EX synced
steady pebble
just sayin'. a lot of the shiva mechanics in eden are pretty much call backs to the shiva trial
wheat marsh
still feels random XD
finite plank
for e5s, is the tankbuster aoe marker actually an aoe?
quick verge
no
finite plank
next, for cleansing the debuff thing, do you need a surge stack?
nova socket
technically not but you get a vuln if you don't have one
finite plank
mk... for the chain lightning part, that thing looks scary to me, how is it usually passed around?
foggy latch
depends on strat
it goes to closest person to guy with chain
and it apply a tiny aoe under the transfer guy
anyone caught with it dies
so when u pass it you dont wanna be within the guy hitbox
heavy vessel
The 2 strats for that currently would be either standing around the boss and giving it to the next guy clockwise or doing it with 2 groups. usually 1 ranged the heal and the melee. But i have done it without any strat as well, it´s complete chaos but u can manage.
finite plank
for tribunal summons, it comes in the same direction similar to WoLex's dreadwyrm summons, right?
as in, always north?
finite plank
yeah
foggy latch
its fine
levi did it before him
tbh it should have been that
but fight already have tough mechanics
no need for more
torn kindle
layered divebombs
torn kindle
One covering west half of north and another covering north-half of East/west
finite plank
well...
foggy latch
yes
finite plank
I don't think it'll be too difficult on wolex
i'm concerned on E5S because I'm not sure if we'll need to adapt positions
assuming it can come from the north
south*
finite plank
go in who?
foggy latch
if say 2 bahamuts dive
and does donut aoe
it leaves tiny bit under his hitbox
as safespot
finite plank
i'd think it's easier, just move to the other side similar to...
PB?
anyways, I hope I can find a practice party for E5s for tommorow, ty
thorny sphinx
Question. How difficult is Delta 4 Savage currently? Unsynced of course.