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#endgame-lounge
foggy latch
ruby marsh
so did anyone find granson
heavy mist
who?
regal pasture
Is it worth it to bump up my gear with some Neo-Ishgardian stuff off the market just to be able to do the new Savage/Extreme stuff? At iLvl 465 right now.
mortal stone
I did it the slow way and got to 470 with tomestones and such
torn kindle
@ruby marsh granson is still at his usual spot for after the level 80 tank role quests
x18, y29
I think He has new dialogue too after 5.2 MSQ presumably
ruby marsh
usual
spot?
sweet blade
Where you first find him in the Crystarium bar
steady pebble
once you complete lvl 80 tank quest, he's in kholusia
torn kindle
Yeah sorry, should’ve said Kholusia
steady pebble
outside of wright
sweet blade
Though i'm wondering what this has to do with endgane
sweet blade
Whats the question?
azure quiver
Next expansion Raid Savage idea right? What if They made one of them Where they put haste on themselves And it can stack? But the only way to keep him/her from stacking those is a tether that deals high damage and only tanks could take it. How hard would that be?
sweet blade
That basically already exists but as a damage up
ruby marsh
i didn't see him tho
dusty dirge
Ooo I just hit 470
Exited to try an ex fight
Haven't done one since uhhh
Damn tier one sb
I eared 04s
When that was new
steady pebble
@ruby marsh he's right here
kind schooner
why is bard aDPS and rDPS so low for ruby weapon, they arent hindered by mechanics that much because of no cast times, Im not really sure whats holding them back
nova socket
Bard is just low dps in general
mortal stone
I managed to get up to phase 2 of ruby ex but since I can’t find any p2 prog groups I’m stuck at phase 1 anyway lol
Very frustrating
kind schooner
Its mostly because P2 is generally free if you can beat P1 ;o
Ive only seen one group fall apart after reaching it
uncut charm
finally
foggy latch
gz binch
uncut charm
Thank you 
mortal stone
I had a p2 prog party disband because we agreed not to rotate
We never got to p2
I’m never gonna get to the part of the fight I actually need to practice
uncut charm
I wish
spiral elbow
mortal stone
I don’t think I’ll ever see p2 again
Because nobody knows how to do p1
@dusty dirge stand in between the circles to bait bits and then move to the safe spot
For melee it’s just before the left closest AoE and for ranged I think it’s in the middle between 2 lines
thorn bear
I heard pugs do wild strats for ruby weapon
like not rotating for that ravensclaw I think it's called?
the aoes that go out on a curve
or people don't wanna give melee uptime for flexiclaw
peak fossil
ive been in a few different pug groups for that and some bait it on the curved lines and some bait it in between two circles so I always have to clarify where we plan to bait it before the fight starts
thorn bear
yeah but I ain't progging
I'm tryna get clears
I had some good runs, got my daggers, I'm excited to see my dps in relcears
whole tundra
wtf is baiting it between the two circles, what
i thought we doing bait on tendril, stand on the left of it then move left to be safe lmfao
this explains so much suddenly
people doing like three strats at once and then we all die
uncut gate
you can survive one hit and pretty sure two if topped/mitigated, so even if failed in baiting it shouldn't be a wipe <<
whole tundra
i thought that too but people start resetting cause they dont want so many hits that early lmao
uncut charm
Whichever strat works even if everyone doing differently imo
It's the concept of why that strat works, you need to see it
Personally I bait between 2 circles and move into the first explosion once it kabooms
nova socket
uncut charm
nice
stable basin
why make it so complicated
stand with ur back to the mirror
go close face or far butt
thorn bear
you can bait on the tendril or in the spot between two aoes
in ruby
I bait in between aoes cause that's waht my friends show me
but every pug I saw did it on the tendril lol
thorn bear
everyone starts somewhere 
in 1 year you'll be clearing savage week 3 and looking back at ur nub self
thorn bear
alot of the people in my current static are like that
they didn't even raid in stormblood, and we are probably gonna clear shiva next week
just gotta believe 🙂
uncut charm
written this meme lyrics
for shiva's theme
to sing next reset
My deeps is too shit
Not sure which tower I'm taking
My orbs cling, haunting me
Eyes wet with tears
Confiteor won't crit
Broken, faded, how long I have waited
For direct crit hit
Turn parser off
You're the one who should
Turn parser off (turn parser off)
Turn parser off
You're the one who has to
Turn parser off (turn parser off)
Turn parser off
I cannot wait to
Turn parser off
I'm so sad
for that I'm yielding up
Sinking too deep
For me to give up parsing
Nine-nine percentile
Chasing on with no end
But I'm a slave to my fight
Am I doomed to repeat this?
Again and again and again and again
Failing too fast
Now he has overtaken me
A voice from my parse
Echoes on like a drum
But there's still no gold parse
And my heart is still aching
I'll go do parse run one more time, one more time....```Truly the peak of #endgame-lounge
twilit ocean
Just a question
When Shiva transitions with last phase
What does she say in Japanese?
愛しき? Something more?
Ah found it nvm
So basically she doesn't say 'My love'
Beloved saint dragon
foggy latch
@nova socket tbh solving 1st mirror is the easy task
the only issue is knowing when to wait or not at green
also knowing if it rotate clockwise or anticlockwise is completely irrelevant knowledge
you just look at blue mirror and determine the safe spot looking at which wing is glowing
the glowing wing is the safespot for mirrors
neon kindle
is this where i discuss glamours
foggy latch
no
mortal stone
But glamour is true endgame
uncut charm
Why are people making wing mirrors harder than it should be
Soccer ball is harder
But you can just eat it
foggy latch
soccer ball?
uncut charm
6s
foggy latch
i still didnt figure that out
its the spot where 2 copies kick balls but in same time its not
there are 6 copies
4 of of them kick balls and 2 dont
1 is safespot
the other isnt
how to find out which is which is the thing i wanna know
uncut charm
foggy latch
oh so the guy looking at side and kicking ball is safespot always
uncut charm
Something like that but make sure you don't mistake the 2 as 1 since depending on which angle you look at, it is also living leftwards
But anyways uptime strat is
foggy latch
lets say you are looking at blue and right wing is glowing
right side of all mirrors is always safespot
uncut charm
Pull boss to one corner before spark strike cast and bait eruption at the back, move to front
Eat one
last geode
For those of you who tanked e7s, when you get colours for void gates, does tank and heals always get dark?
thorn bear
you get both
one tank and healer get light
one tank and healer get dark
same for dps
two get light two get dark
last geode
Interesting
thorn bear
it does that for the first light and dark with tethers and towers
last geode
Every video Ive watched tanks got light first and then thejr colour changes to dark
After the towers
thorn bear
maybe for the second it's more random?
thorn bear
hmm
last geode
If I understand that phase correctly, heals + tanks get one colour and dps get the other
Again, not towers and tethers but after that
thorn bear
it doesn't really matter for voidgates since you handle the mechanic in one corner
thorn bear
last geode
The macros I use are different
thorn bear
Ohhhh
uncut charm
I didn't really notice for void gates but I'm pretty sure I started both colours before
thorn bear
feelsbad
you don't always get dark
I just did a replay of my clear on fflogs and me and my cotank both have astral
going into void gates
thorn bear
I think its actually
tanks and healers get the same color
dps get the same color
I've looked at a few pulls that got to portals and colors and its been that split
not always dark or light
but always tanks/healers and dps
last geode
Ok yea that confirms it for me then
fair vortex
These 100 missions after ARR are so stupid i hate this...😩
quick verge
[22:28]An Edenchoir samurai blade has been added to the loot list.
what's the point
stable basin
@quick verge
quick verge
kind schooner
So far the biggest killer of my parses in ruby ex isnt even me. Its when melees forget to go to their flexiclaw line, stand in the middle of my long one and I'm forced to die to my or their mines
uncut charm
the solution is to clip those melees and make them die with you
kind schooner
Thats actually a good idea
I just gotta make sure it's not the party leader doing it
stable basin
that's why you rotate
so danger bongos go off in the melees minds if they're on a long one
kind schooner
In my latest example, the long lines were intercardinal so no rotate
they just forgot they were northeast (empty line) and not southwest (my line) lol
Hmm under 200k for a crafted hq i480 belt, might grab that. Im still using an i450 even tho I got 474 total ilv
And wont be able to get allegory belt until the Mar10 reset week
uncut charm
On a side note, does anyone know why some of my FC members does not appear inside the FC's members list in fflogs? (even though they have registered clears)
quick verge
might have to update their character, or update the guild roster in fflogs
something about updating but idk where
long kraken
kinda hope they take the unique status off of tome/raid rings, considering the devs make the eden left side pieces 4/2 and accessories inc. belt 1 piece.
ends up pretty odd to roll for a belt knowing you’re gonna be left with 1 item extra once the week is over
would probably make the first two weeks of a raid tier easy to boost ilvl with, since you could get 4 bangles the first week, and a belt, head/arms/boots and another ring the second week.
regal pasture
Sorry if this is the wrong place, but what's the stat priority for GNB?
storm frostBOT
sleek lodge
so for the blueish arrow in e5s for OT and MT
do we use duty action 2 times and invuln?
because im getting knocked back
lyric summit
one tank uses a cooldown and the duty action and doesn't move, as far as i know
it's like the shield in orbonne monastery
sleek lodge
it can be used whenever he starts casting that mechanic?
or has to be done when he is about to end the cast
fury fourteen or something
so yea I used the duty action just before he ends casting and that should save the tank and the rest of the party
foggy latch
if you tank die / tank didnt use duty action will cause a wipe
it doesnt matter which tank do it as long you have mitigation for it since its 230k buster unmitigated
though better to not have same tank do it twice to rotate cds usages
sleek lodge
I see, thank you
whole tundra
you just tell them to pop invuln and walk in and press duty action just once
some people spammed duty action and it cancelled it lmao
or they didnt press it properly
rose atlas
you can have one tank take both
invuln first
2nd stack rampart + 30% cooldown
and 3 orbs
your short cd should help aswell and your cotank and throw whatever on you aswell
but its better to invuln it
but if you have to, its an option
neon kindle
is this channel just for high-end duties or any level 80 content
neon kindle
so even though its slightly old i can still ask about titania and innocence in here
sweet blade
Ye
neon kindle
ty
turbid canopy
those two are getting more attention now anyways since the totem farm for mounts is reality
foggy latch
you mean they died
those who farmed them already did long ago and used their 99 totems
quick verge
what's your gcd
foggy latch
what a shit week
blue in E5S -> death
green in E6S -> 2 deaths
Purple in E7S -> no deaths but ppl died alot
grey in E8S -> no deaths but partner death
nova canopy
PSA: on E6S "most" SAM/DRG/MNK do less dps than "most" other jobs (using median logs), so if you're making a pug PF consider being less strict about needing 2 melee or whatever ;o https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/33#boss=70&dataset=50
lyric summit
well yeah locking double melee is pretty dumb in like, any content
and i wouldn't really take 50th percentile week 2 logs as like.. a sign for taking or not taking jobs
thorn bear
@high ether You are either laggy as shit or you need to delay your bloodweapon until the last 1/3rd of your gcd timer
if ur laggy vpns are the GOAT I RECOMMEND ONE
high ether
i use both delirium and blood weapon as late as possible without clipping
thorn bear
then look into a vpn, it'll change ur life
if ur missing a gcd in blood weapon you are probably also clipping during your burst as well
floral grail
how would you guys compare hardcore raiding in 14 vs other mmos
personally I feel like it's much more user friendly than most
whole tundra
the savage in this game is easier than mythic WoW
the ultimate in this game is at times harder than mythic WoW
depends
i mean in that game you have limited battlerez too
here at least your samurai can die twice and whatever
in like savage
i mean 4 people could die and you can still clear
just depends where they died
nova socket
Calling mythic very hard is a worry
Hardest part about mythic raiding is finding 19 competent players instead of 7
sleek lodge
Hi guys, why do people write true north in the description for E5S? I just know it's a melee dps ability that ignores positionals for a certain time
nova socket
they mean that you position for 14 mechanic always looking at north instead of boss-relative
which is dumb but hey it's pf
sleek lodge
oh alright, ty
nova socket
Saying that mythic is even close to ultimates is kinda kekw
turbid steppe
They’re difficult in different ways. Mythic is more being able to adjust on the fly whereas FF14 in general is essentially memorization
mortal stone
Is there a good way to kite the add in e5s?
Like is there an optimal way to move around
turbid canopy
you can start on the far side of boss in relation to it. then when its under you can kinda side step around the boss and stay in range to damage while not in range of the add
nova canopy
when that add is charging up its tankbuster, can you still die from it touching you?
mortal stone
I played in a static for the first time last night. It was really fun
Wasn’t my static though I was subbing in
And we didn’t get a clear, saw up to e5s enrage
“We’ll get it next week”
My next week is gonna be pugs that die to thunderclouds
Rip my prog ig
lyric summit
get your own static 
mortal stone
easier said than done
stable basin
One method I've heard of is just subbing for statics until one of them says, hey I don't think our missing member is sticking with it, want to join us long-term?
foggy latch
unless you perform better than said member and leader willing to replace it has 20% of happening
nova socket
thats how I got into my static
I subbed for tea re-clear and played better than their other gnb :)
foggy latch
ty procs i missed 4 saber dances from opener compared to other wipes in E8S
also im 30 dps away from green
250 from blue
450 from purple
950 from orange
hope kihra delete the add phase cause im too safe to pad on it at least i got 30% bossdps
stable basin
yeah still gotta put in the work if you're looking for a good static
quick verge
i don't get why the add phase is being removed if it's essential to clearing the fight
stable basin
there are a lot of statics that don't require much on your part but they're basically like putting up a pf and then saying ok imma raid with the first 7 people to join for the next three months
foggy latch
killing it fast will ruin your dps
stable basin
so is blue bahamut 👀
foggy latch
we had 20 secs to spare here
and soon enough
ppl will pad on it
sending 1 dps do all the work
and rest afk
at bis
quick verge
ok
stable basin
I support taking adds off parse
its just kinda meh
like
I really don't want to do stupid pad strats on adds for a 99
when we're gonn be deleting them once we have a couple weapons on each side anyway
right side apparently was deleting them on week 1 already
foggy latch
my stance about it would change if its not timed
its basically O5S adds but you cant ride train unless 55 secs pass since adds spawn
nova socket
yeh I dont want to intentionally have melee just not hit adds
to get good parse
thats just autism
mortal stone
I’m convinced I’ll never clear e5s
Or Savage in general
I’ve gotten so close
But I’m not getting the magic pug
2% enrage was my closest
Every clear party I join ends up disbanding much sooner than that though
lyric summit
it's week 3 you have like 6 months till next tier
just outgear it and the 2% enrage pulls will become kills 2 minutes before enrage
lyric summit
or get better yeah
mortal stone
The last clear party I was in kept wiping at fury 14
foggy latch
top 10 dancer in chaos not bad
still have trash E6S parse that need fixing
would have been 7 or 6 with good E6S if ppl dont kill me in it
E6S in nutshell but we still had 18 secs to spare
nova socket
how do you see only chaos
quick verge
go to like rankings for a tier, go to whatever metric you want, and go to the region option (?)
foggy latch
did u get it?
nova socket
yes
foggy latch
gz binch
nova socket
Now our pld is the onlyone without weapon lul
quick verge
are you going to commit acts of terrorism on the fflogs rankings?
foggy latch
ty shiva we had gnb wep despite no one had gnb
and now we got smn wep
with no one can smn here
quick verge
it's gonna be another book
quick verge
what are the dps in your static
foggy latch
sam blm nin dnc
nova socket
I played super safe for weekly clear cus didnt know what I was doing but now I can start greeding owo
honest tide
people not getting pushed off by levin force
nova socket
Just get gear kek
You can get 11k rdps on e5s easily
Just gotta have better killtime
uncut charm
Give me weapon niko
quick verge
sure thing
nova socket
Just have AST weapon drop at the same time so you don't have to roll against anyone :)
frosty stag
nova socket
I got orange on ast playing healer for the first time as well, it's not like getting oranges is hard 
rose atlas
just do your rotation
nova socket
Just press buttons in vaguely correct order while maintaining uptime quarantees 95%+
foggy latch
but daddy yoshida said you dont need to be efficient and game isnt aimed to that
tame radish
yoship doesn't play his own game
mint falcon
You probably don’t need to be that efficient but your party’s gear needs to a ton better. Like new tomestone gear better. But since you’re working with bare bones or even cutting into the bone, everyone needs to work to eat.
mortal stone
I got my first ever savage clear!
E5S!
Donezo
Almost wiped to the first CL but I used my big offtank energy to recover it
Barely missed enrage
polar iron
congrats
mortal stone
I’d like to thank the academy
simple sky
grats
nova socket
I beat my older rank 1 lol, I should do other bosses but pf is deaded
stable basin
Does anyone in Endgame have the Lionlege set ?
torn kindle
You can get it with the base game.
torn kindle
PVP
stable basin
100x Wolf Marks right?
torn kindle
which is unlocked at level 30.
stable basin
It’s the savages right?
torn kindle
no
just any PVP
the whole set is only 4,500 Wolf Marks, which is 5 losses of frontlines, or 3 first place victories.
Either way, it's definitely not an endgame set.
stable basin
It does sound easy. It really appeals to me. Thanks.
ebon rune
is there an "I'm level 80, now what?" guide out there?
I'm mainly interested in propelling myself into savage as quickly as possible lol
lyric summit
get 470-480 gear by farming phantasmagoria or buying crafted 480 HQ and you're ready gear-wise
glossy musk
And 5 meld
rose atlas
just be prepared to waste millions on the last 3 melds 
stable basin
So what’s meld? I’m lvl 75 and never looked into that
mortal stone
Don’t until level 80 endgame @stable basin
You don’t need it for anything other than that and stat optimizing in general
On non-crafted stuff it’s pretty easy to understand though
stable basin
Alright
glossy musk
Eh, I'd just always meld now since you can retrieve melds. Just don't meld expensive stuff if you don't have money/overmeld
thorn bear
You can meld grade 6 materia and below
But 7 and 8 should be left alone as you can lose them upon tryna trake them out of gear
heavy mist
melding grade 6 on 3rd/2nd slot for overmeld then 5s on the rest is a nice budget (its what i do)
stable basin
Does anyone here have a VoD for the braindead strat on e7s?
inland ore
What strat does PF commonly use for betwixt world on primal?
inland ore
Yeah I saw "T strat" in PF a lot but wasn't sure if that was the one where the far tethers go to the same lane as their birds or opposite.
stable basin
I think this one's T/cross cause the other one looks less T-ish
but idk for sure because I haven't pugged it
inland ore
Cross T just seems strictly better, since you don't need to be as precise with the outer teleports.
simple sky
I like cross T as well
i don't trust dps to think about their positioning in the corners
lyric summit
wouldn't just giving each dps a set pos be the more pug-proof strat
quick verge
does that even work
simple sky
what
quick verge
that is melee
polar iron
Sending healers to narnia when theres a raidwide coming up 
last geode
question
during light rampant
if you are tethered to a ball
can you walk through a tower or will you wipe the raid
?
dull radish
you "can" but the problem is
- you can't get hit by a cleave that you're not supposed to be hit by
- you can't hit anybody with your orb by moving through a tower
- you can't be in the tower when it goes off, if you're not supposed to take the tower for your given strat
there's perhaps a bit of leeway in there for moving through a tower where you're not supposed to take it but it's a bit of a dangerous thing
last geode
ahh ok
so there's a high risk there because of the cones
hmm
so when the orb comes my way
do I stand between the boss and the orb or do I stand behind the boss while the orb comes to me?
dull radish
the safest option is generally to move out as soon as you see which orb you're tethered to, opposite side of your orb, and loop around the back of the orb on the opposite side
then you're safe from the cleave in time, and safe from the orb coming to get you
polar iron
They target the closest people
dull radish
it's not intercardinal, it's baited to the 4 closest party members
polar iron
Yeah and the towers happen to be intercard
You could have people bait them in cardinals too
dull radish
exactly how you handle it depends on strat
polar iron
Theres plenty of ways to handle it all
last geode
but you dont break any inner chains by walking through the center right?
dull radish
if you're chain and you move to mid you'll break chain 100%
last geode
no i meant if you have orb
dull radish
if you're not chain, you can't break anybody else's chain
polar iron
Nah you dont
last geode
ahh ok
dull radish
only chain people can break chain
last geode
good
polar iron
You can move through chains
last geode
ok that relieves me of the movement part
i was doing light rampant practice earlier
the strat we were doing was i think abit too risky
dull radish
which one are you doing?
last geode
im not sure what it is but
basically
I stand in front of my orb
as MT
and then move towards north east
and the other people with orbs do likewise where they move in front as well
then run towards the opposite side
dull radish
always NE? That sounds a bit...incorrect?
last geode
no Im just saying as MT
im playing on the JP server so it may be a bit strange
cos Im following the party's macro
dull radish
the problem is you can get tethered to any random orb. So there's a bit of danger if you just, always move in a specific direction. But I can't say that I know the strat offhand that you're talking about
last geode
hmm ok
can you give me a list of strats usually used
?
I know of some
and those involve standing opposite of your orb and then taking it to the other side
dull radish
"ilya/yuna strat", "forsaken strat", "yumiya strat" I dunno alternative names
dull radish
my team does ilya strat, chain people basically just stay there until chains drop, then move a bit to make final cleaves safer
dull radish
for ilya strat, chain people take first tower (no need to make hourglass specifically), take first cleave, stay until chains disappear
then they move to bait the 2nd cleave a bit away from where 2nd tower spawns (since orb people take 2nd tower)
so if 2nd towers are E/W, chain people bait cleaves a bit more N/S
and if 2nd towers are N/S chain people bait 2nd cleaves more E/W
dull radish
it's not 100% necessary for that adjustment but it makes it safer
don't know it by name, unfortunately
dull radish
it depends on strat
basically you can't take both cleaves and both towers, you have to swap varying on strat
last geode
ahh alright
dull radish
since every mechanic you get hit by increases your debuff count
and if anyone hits 5 they die and do damage/kill anyone in proximity
last geode
ok
dull radish
which generally results in a confusing chain reaction where it's hard to tell what went wrong
polar iron
5 is just instant wipe
dull radish
well there might be some weird naunced 5 where you might live if it's the last one? But it's basically a wipe even if it's not a hard wipe anyways
last geode
does orbs count as 1 or 2?
dull radish
1
last geode
ok
dull radish
which is why the people who take the last tower is always random
last geode
if you get chained does it add to your debuff stack counter?
dull radish
since you need the 4 people left with 3 on their debuff to take it
polar iron
no it doesnt
dull radish
^
dull radish
yeah the light rampant itself grants chain/no chain and debuff number for the mechanic
polar iron
you just get a semi random nmbr of stacks at the start, some people just get chains and they dont really interact
dull radish
something that's perhaps a bit useful that I might as well mention too
last geode
ok
last geode
yup i recognised that
dull radish
the second one is the one that's "don't be too far or too close"
so you have until the first one expires to get into position
last geode
which is about 10s?
dull radish
10s feels too long but honestly I don't pay too much attention to the timing there
last geode
hmm ok
polar iron
its
when the light lines spawn at the start, it indicates the chains are about to form but you're not restricted by any distance yet, as soon as the first towers get soaked the chains sort of solidify
dull radish
yeah I know mechanic timings more than numerical timings haha
always been a relative sort of person, partially byproduct of the midwest US
last geode
hmm
ok in that case
would it be better to stand towards the side away from the boss?
as in in the tower
or it doesnt matter?
polar iron
hold on
last geode
one sec let me get a diagram
dull radish
diagram would be very useful yes, for the strat your'e doing
polar iron
dull radish
since you mainly have to make sure to take (or not take) cleave depending on strat, which might change your positioning in the tower
last geode
in the inner circle?
polar iron
yeah standing anywhere in that small inner circle inside the tower is fine
granted everyone in towers is following this rule
dull radish
(it's part of why we went with the strat we did was to have chain people stay in place so we didn't have to worry about chain breaking)
polar iron
but say everyone stood here in the first towers, chains break
dull radish
so people just stood in center of tower-ish and then we didnt' have any chain issues anymore
polar iron
yeah you can go quite far from each other with the chains, if you die its most likely because you were too close to each other
dull radish
yeah it's hard to break the chain by being too far, you have to actively run out which is big ??? to do
last geode
if im the red circle
will the chains break?
thats what I mean by standing on the outer side
polar iron
you should be fine, cant say 100% if everyones on the outer edge
last geode
or will it matter
dull radish
shouldn't but there's not much reason to not just stay in the center of the tower
polar iron
i'd wager its fine but also you kinda wanna be as close to the boss as you can to bait the path of light cones
last geode
i see
polar iron
assuming the strat has tower people eat those
polar iron
since melees with the orbs will be goddamn greeding until the last moment and you wanna have the highest chance of baiting the cone
dull radish
hmm
"ultimate mechanic" is a bit of a weird thing haha
it's one of the more complicated mechanics of the fight, that takes a bit of precision
last geode
🤔
polar iron
i wouldnt be surprised if i saw this specific mechanic in an ultimate, but in the end ultimate mechanics are the same as savage, you just have tighter execution requirements and theyre more punishing
polar iron
the thing that makes it feel like its from an ultimate is just the fact that you wipe from 1 mistake
stable basin
ultimate mechanics are also largely down to very open targeting logic
last geode
ahh ok
stable basin
if icelit had random debuffs that would 100% be an ultimate mechanic
dull radish
yeah
last geode
oof
dull radish
icelit would be wild if it was random
last geode
ive never got that far so im not sure about that
i know icelit dragonstorm is in the 2nd part
polar iron
its easier than this one for sure
last geode
oh really?
stable basin
icelit is like more complicated but less random light rampant
polar iron
because you can 100% preplan the mechanic
dull radish
icelit is very static
polar iron
here you have some form of rrng
dull radish
you don't have random people with random things
stable basin
not as hard to prog because you know what's gonna happen
last geode
is this the hardest mechanic in the fight?
dull radish
essentially
dull radish
the rest is mainly consistency through everything
which can be memes and harder for groups
polar iron
but its pretty subjective
last geode
ok so how many walls are there in this fight
dull radish
but mechanics-wise it's probably the hardest by itself for execution?
last geode
difficulty difference aside
dull radish
light rampant -> dps check, honestly
last geode
just want to know to have expectations
dull radish
you can power through most of other things without too much difficulty
stable basin
light rampant is absolutely the biggest peak difficulty
last geode
ahh ok
stable basin
everything else you'll mostly prog pretty quickly
dull radish
but if you're way behind you're way behind and you have to clean up dps
last geode
i c
polar iron
there shouldnt be any walls per se, just small nuances iin mechanics that people might ignore the first few times they do them
stable basin
wyrm's lament 2 is pretty tight on execution though and will punish you ruthlessly if anyone screws up
last geode
unless it's like adds
stable basin
but I think in terms of total wipes light rampant will probably win
dull radish
later stuff is like kinda, easy but you can screw up due to nerves and one person messing up can snowball a bit
but functionally it's rather straightforward
stable basin
fight length is a big multiplier on prog difficulty because you have to do everything perfect just for a chance to see the next mech
last geode
yup
polar iron
yeah wyrms lament 2 theres a few small things that you'll die to inevitably the first few times you see it, twin stillness/silence and embittered/spiteful dance memes, gaze mirrors etc etc
stable basin
Like I think in terms of total prog I don't think getting past light rampant was halfway
stable basin
but it's definitely less headbashing and more marathon after
last geode
ahh ok
polar iron
the later mechanics are more like "oh i see why i died lemme not do it again" light rampant actually requires attention to execute correcctly every time
stable basin
and the p2 mechanics are really really fun
lament 1 is the coolest easy mechanic in the game
last geode
i only seen the god kefka fight so I can only guess from what's happening through a vid
I heard that the 2nd part of the fight was like god kefka
in terms of the wings
last geode
yup
stable basin
and mirrors will do that too
stable basin
The first mirror, mirror after adds is actually super simple but looks complicated
dull radish
there's a lot of ways to kinda simplify it
stable basin
It's very very easy if you break down the logic to two real rules
dull radish
it's not really the best to just memorize patterns, but like "if shiva's facing this way, then this. If she's cleaving this mirror, then that"
but I assume he'll explain better^
stable basin
- If the blue mirror is east, then rotate CCW (to your right), if it's west then rotate CW (to your left)
- If she cleaves the mirror than stack on her butt, if not go on her face
dull radish
oh, I actually prefer not the CW vs CCW
last geode
so in terms of order of mirrors going off
dull radish
instead of CW vs CCW you can define stay vs wait
stable basin
We have two different callouts for our static, one person watches where the blue mirror is and says rotate right or rotate left
and then I remind everyone close+face, far+butt
dull radish
so, the thing about the mechanic is, the safe spot at the end of it is always the opposite corner of where you start for the safe spot
you can rotate CW or CCW for it
last geode
is it like the first mirror mirror?
stable basin
if you pass over east/west you can also go directly to the third safe spot but that's not really necessary
dull radish
or you can wait for the second hit then move through. Or you can move immediately
last geode
i see
dull radish
no reason to have to make caster/healer move twice when they only have to move once
stable basin
tru
dull radish
it's inherently better and the same callout
polar iron
how i do it (or did i can just afk it at this point) is i placed myself so that the blue mirror is behind me, i call out which one of her wings is glowing and here i'd be like "left" so i just run to the right side of the arena, and make sure im not on the side that the wing is glowing on
stable basin
caster vs melee thinking there
dull radish
please be kind to us <3
polar iron
and im aware that blue mirror spawning left = CW rotation and right = CCW
dull radish
we've spent years only really worrying about melee uptime
affects you the same with either, stay vs move is better for us
stable basin
Real high-end optimization seems to be a lot about caster/healer uptime
actually kind of a mix of "hey healers here's an extra gcd" and "aight healers we just gonna drop this flare on everyone"
polar iron
whenn boss gets dragged so far at the last mirrors of p1 that you outrange it 
dull radish
yeahh haha there's some middle ground there
axe first is
the best thing
just afk by mirror before adds
polar iron
by outrange i mean literally not being able to hit it 
stable basin
if you do uptime strat everyone should chill under her
dull radish
no
stable basin
for scythe
dull radish
if you do uptime strat healer/caster should be at adjacent mirror
stable basin
or at an adjacent one
dull radish
they outrange scythe
stable basin
mm
dull radish
yeah
polar iron
if the boss was dragged N and you have to go to the S mirror for scythe then kinda yeah that can happen, you either go to the W/E mirror or under the boss i guess
dull radish
there's leeway there too, boss doens't have to be right by mirror
just...don't go to S mirror
stable basin
yea
dull radish
zero reason to
dull radish
please don't keep it centered, big sad for everyone
polar iron
yeah that was just in pf, havent optimized shiva yet with my group we're doing some e6 and 7 "speed" memes tmrw
when group actually wants to do content outside of weeklies 
dull radish
we're doing powerful alt clears tomorrow, finally haha
last geode
😦
polar iron
we can't do alt clears because my alt is level 36
last geode
how nice to have clears
polar iron
polar iron
just keep at it, once you're past light rampant its relatively smooth sailing
dull radish
she's been woefully neglected
stable basin
we're being so pepega rn even one clear per week is a lot more painful than it should be
stable basin
oof
polar iron
it aint a race tbh
inland ore
Sometimes? I'm envious of you people who have groups where that isn't an alltime thing.
polar iron
did your group have a set goal of week x clar
stable basin
we lost a full day week 1 and honestly not sure if we would have gotten it, but we at least would have had a chance
polar iron
clear
dull radish
nah we didn't have a goal necessarily
stable basin
kinda depends what expectations are
dull radish
but we did like
5 tuesday 6 wednesday 7 thursday and raid day each week, hit icelit w1
stable basin
and if you expect good performance that has the downside of, if you're continually wiping the party then you might get replaced
dull radish
then we just memed with dps check w2
stable basin
that dps check is no joke
polar iron
yeah its not like "omg the dps check is INSANE" but its no joke either
stable basin
even week 2 we were only ahead by a very slim margin
dull radish
if we had a clean run we could have had it w2. But then they fed me some gear this week and we cleared with 2 dps deaths haha
I was like 483 last week, this week I'm 493 or something
polar iron
youre ahead of me 
dull radish
I got so much
stable basin
I feel like Titan got more attention on the dps check because there were no mechanics in that fight and because job balance was so bad that some "standard" comps were mathematically close to not being able to clear
also instance speed
polar iron
instance speed
stable basin
But Shiva check feels about the same as Titan to me
dull radish
!whois @dull radish
storm frostBOT
stable basin
powerful
dull radish
though I didn't have ring until after 8s clear
polar iron
im just happy i got to do HC prog, week 1 clear was nice but honestly i just had fun progging
stable basin
happy to have this on tank rn
polar iron
!me
storm frostBOT
polar iron
inland ore
I went casual this tier and just decided to leisurely pug. I've won literally nothing so far.
ilvl481...
stable basin
big oof
polar iron
oof
stable basin
I complain sometimes about getting gear after the dps as a static but it's nice to have it guaranteed without having to spend books
dull radish
we started with just giving loot based on page requirement
my BiS is like, mostly savage so I didn't need many upgrade items, and upgrade items quickly rack up the page requirement count
polar iron
gears kinda eh to me, youre restricted by the sheer amount of tomes required until bis anyway, we just roll against each other if its bis no matter if youre a dps/tank/healer
dull radish
I love having BiS being mainly savage though, I don't need a whole lot of tomes for it
stable basin
I haaaate tome bis
polar iron
speed bis? 
stable basin
I need 3 weaves and 3 polishes
polar iron
cant wait to gear up my blm..
inland ore
Upgrade items should really be 3 pages imo.
stable basin
IIRC I needed 4 of something in gate though
dull radish
crit BiS <3
stable basin
so I couldn't get true bis til like week 12
dull radish
speed BiS is tome stuff
polar iron
im going crit too, 3.8k spell speed is too much
stable basin
also getting our blm a hair from bis on week 2 was nice for gate lol
dull radish
crit BiS is like, mmm off the top of my head, tome head, belt, pants, ring
maybe one other thing I'm forgetting
polar iron
its actually very similar to SMNs i think so i can just swap melds around
sounds like accessories might differ a bit
dull radish
probably, since there's like zero sps crit pieces so it's mainly taking crit pieces and melding sps
polar iron
mm
dull radish
I think there might be one more tome acc but I'm lazy to check
foggy latch
easiest way to figure out rotating mirrors is look at blue and see which wing is glowing
the glowing wing is always the safespot while looking at mirrors
regardless where she looking north or south it doesnt matter
you dont need to even know if its rotating CW/CCW
dull radish
well facing N/S can tell you if you stand behind or in front
foggy latch
yrah but u dont need that info
dull radish
I mean you have to know if you stand in front or behind, yes
dull radish
I mean it's just like
you can think of it like 3 different ways with the same amount of thought
to tell you if it's safe or not
the N/S is a simple one where you only have to look at one mirror and whether she's N/S
and that just resolves the entire thing for you
there's plenty of other ways that are just as easy, and several that are harder
foggy latch
i saw one twitter saying dont look away and dps
dull radish
this one is for ranged/healer/caster for the last image, melee can keep on edge by boss and keep hitting the boss
no need to face away or lose uptime, other than facing to the side for the first gaze
foggy latch
its same strat for the last 75% except the start
but start isnt the issue
its last 2 reds especially when im moving toward mid holy
dull radish
mid holy is coziest
just stand in place and keep hitting boss
no need to do anything at all
until the dance
err
edge holy is coziest*
foggy latch
well thats for blm
foggy latch
i need to be closer for melee flourish
dull radish
you're still in range there
foggy latch
i move to cardinal toward mid
but no game says u were looking at red
so here a stun for u
idk how i did it right in latest kill
dull radish
like, you can stand on either side of the boss with this positioning and be fine without getting hit
at all
nobody has to lose any uptime at all, there's no risk unless you randomly move too far out or something, or face some weird direction
polar iron
Wait, when green mirrors are going out are you standing exactly middle
foggy latch
i think i will just wait and not move to safespot of holy fast
since holy take like 2 - 3 secs to go off after red mirrors go off
there is even one time where i moved after cast ended
and still got stunned
another problem shiva is too tall
its hard to see the balls on her head
idk if its just resolution problem on ps4 or something
stable basin
what's your camera angle at
foggy latch
even at max camera distance i need to aim camera vertical to see her head
stable basin
I play zoomed out ~75 height and don't have problem seeing the orbs
I also tend to angle my camera fairly high I think
lime solar
Wish these PFs would stop imposing 2 melee 1 ranged 1 caster limit on like E5 and E6S
foggy latch
the 1st true/fake can be easily known by stack marker being just arrows or have circle
lime solar
Especially when E5 screws over melee so bad
foggy latch
E5 is fine as melee
if any fight is shit to melee its just E8S
casters are pretty powerful in E8S
stable basin
idk why I have a screenshot of this but this is my typical view
lime solar
Yeah, but I mean why restrict it to exactly 2 melee 1 ranged 1 caster, when E5-7 don't have the EXTREME DPS check at all
Just let people play what they want
stable basin
1080x1920
foggy latch
hmm the camera looks abit higher
meanwhile my char is in mid of screen at max range
on yours its little below
maybe i will try raising camera angle abit
stable basin
my angle
foggy latch
mine is a default yes
idk whats default is
holy feels like electric slide from O12S
you must be away from it by certain distance
stable basin
proximity aoes work in tiers
foggy latch
once u cross that distance dmg lowered from 100% to 10%
within the said distance the dmg is same regardless
no matter even if you are far
must cross that extra centimeter above that distance so u survive
dull radish
it's not "same damage" but yeah there's a drop-off
stable basin
dice def had more tiers than 1 mil or fine, as a tank I discovered a few more :^)
dull radish
if you have BLM it's cozy because you can just stand on their LL for mid and be cozy
foggy latch
i do have blm yes
dull radish
but really it's mostly about the gazes than the holy itself haha
which again, with good boss positioning it's inconsequential
don't have to face away or think other than first gaze
foggy latch
i need to look in a vid
see how much time i got between red going off and holy going off
this way i wont need to pay attention if its true or fake holy
dull radish
there's not really any nuance you have to be worried about with timing
if there is you're doing it wrong?
dull radish
just stand mid
foggy latch
then 50/50 i take stun from 1 of the reds
foggy latch
depends if said blm play like you
dull radish
like LL directly in center of arena
you don't have to have BLM/go by BLM LL
just like, slightly N of center and you're safe
it's not all that nuanced of positioning or anything
and the further north you are the safer you are
you'd just have to back off a bit if the holy is on the edge, if you're too far N
foggy latch
i just go inside her hitbox while looking at blue
foggy latch
thats where i stand
at greens
as for balls
look where are they lol
at edge of camera from above
small nexus
Does anyone know where i can find stats information for DRG. Im 481 currently and am trying to make sure my stats are all on point. Like are there targets for Crit / Det/ Skill speed / Dir hit that i should be aiming for?
torn kindle
!faq balance
storm frostBOT
torn kindle
You can go here for all class-specific resources
foggy latch
there is no target
just make sure you arent at weird gcd so rotation doesnt become weird
blazing bobcat
What is the braindead strat for E7S?
blazing bobcat
The color portals
with the debuff
From what ive seen if its the same color you stay on the same tile and if its diff you swap everytime
cursive horizon
yes that's about it
blazing bobcat
are the north/front portal the same as the ones on the west?
cursive horizon
just remember to bait the puddles to your left
uhh you don't look at them
you look at the east/west portal
if they stay the same you swap, if they swap you stay
blazing bobcat
bc the video i saw the guy didnt look at the west potal he looked at the north portal instead
cursive horizon
same principle tho
i guess it depends on how you dodge the normal portals since some do it in the middle and others to the side
last geode
question
for light rampant
for 2 man towers
do the 2 towers always appear north and south?
nova socket
yes
stable basin
Looks like they've fixed most/all of it now but shiva logs were temporarily jacked up today lol
dull radish
yeah they got rid of adds
so they had to recrawl the logs then redo historical percentiles
stable basin
thank goodness I don't have to be a padding degenerate to chase an orange/pink
stable basin
guys wait til the add is almost at the crystal so my confiteor hits all three
pallid vigil
First clear of E5S