80 parse
#endgame-lounge
stable basin
80 pretty good for a first clear
pallid vigil
Not when you're applying for a sHC static who wanted to bum rush all the fights to prog to TEA
stable basin
If they're sHC they'd have TEA down already 
first clear parses really don't matter much tho
pallid vigil
Welcome to the awkward road of "Work decided to sucker punch you hard so while you were gone your last static, no surprise, imploded, they invited you, and they all literally already had all this tier done so they wanted me to go through all of them in one night to go back to TEA"
stable basin
I ended all 99s in gate and was green on my first clears
Raffter got a green on his world first
hope they're not actually thinking 80 on a first clear on week 3 is bad
pallid vigil
I just hope that they either chill or keep me, because stress is just really hurting me (irl issues)
Because last time I had a static like this, well let's say I'm not posting the whole story here
stable basin
mm
I obviously can't speak for them but if I were dragging you through savage and you got the mechanics fairly quickly I wouldn't really be looking at your dps unless you were cranking out 9s
civic cargo
tbh parses are a bit funky as a scholar. My first clear was a 78 and today's % would still put it at a 70.
I'd hope that would've dropped to like, 50 by now cause it didn't feel that great and I still haven't gotten any savage drops as we're giving those to our DPS
I wanna beef up my E8N parse (I know most people don't care about that) but all the parties I get on it keep dying >:I
a 95 with only 5.6k rDPS.. how is that possible
civic cargo
my static only raids twice a week and our last day this week got called off due to our MT being sick so we still haven't cleared E6S x.x we're close though, should have it on our next timeframe easy
since we rescheduled for before reset, I didn't bother going for a PF clear (also cause fuck PF)
foggy latch
!wl @pallid vigil
storm frostBOT
turbid steppe
My static is similar Mihka. Getting an E6S clear in PF was hell enough, couldn’t imagine 7 or 8
stable basin
7 is whatever but I can't imagine pugging 8
turbid steppe
Oh really? Note to self: pug 7 next week
I’d imagine a lot of the dumbs are filtered out by 5 and 6 at the very least
uncut gate
5 can you do mechanics, 6 can you dps
stable basin
7 portals are trivialized by there only being two patterns
p2 is portals, go to your opposite colored donut a couple times, then tornado and enrage
foggy latch
will bother going for 99s as i get weapon
shiva i will prolly not get good log for a while
stable basin
dps check isn't significantly tougher from 6-7 either
might be the same or even easier tbh
foggy latch
tbh E7S dps check is easier than E3S was
stable basin
easier than e2s too imo
foggy latch
guess they lowered it due mechanics
stable basin
my verse static dps is a lot worse and 7s never even thought of giving us trouble there
where my gate static was pretty close even on 2s
foggy latch
yeah overall they lowered dps check on all floors but E5S
and E8S is omg
damn tight check
our ninja became smn after he got smn random weapon
i can finally get my dnc weapon tomorrow
stable basin
cleared week 2 but our weapons went perfectly the the dps who needed them
first week spear dropped so drg+smn got it
second week rapier dropped so rdm+dnc got it
haven't decided whether we're gonna free roll for tanks or bully the pld who's 1k below me into giving me the coffer next week 
turbid steppe
Nin to summoner? Sounds like an upgrade to me 
pallid vigil
Brother gimme coffer
foggy latch
well he is ninja main
but he saw it as greifing if he kept playing ninja when he got smn weapon
add to it
he felt like shit if he claimed another weapon when i dont have any
civic cargo
I really should learn a proper SCH opener tbh. But I'm awful when it comes to reading rotations, I just have to throw myself at it over and over
lyric summit
most of it is probably just broil - r2 - ED isn't it
healer openers are usually pretty straightforward
civic cargo
It is but getting the right windows on things is something I never cared much to look into
also too laggy to reliably double weave which can absolutely fuck up potion timing and stuff
I just Broil > Bio > Aetherflow > Ruin > Potion > Chain > Ruin ED spam
Try to line up my Fey Blessing with the first raid AoE so I can dissipate for more Ruin ED
I'm a DPS-greedy healer xP
nova socket
I mean thats just correct gameplay, not being dps-greedy
If you're randomly gcd healing for no reason it's just a waste.
civic cargo
I pretty much only GCD heal pre-pull or when the boss becomes untargetable and I wanna shield a raidwide. That's what my co-healer is for
..cause for real, SCH has kinda meh GCD heals compared to WHM
nova socket
yeh, something like this is correct healing
Obviously it depends on the fight
idk what fflogs did to shiva logs but at least my profile looks pog now
foggy latch
they said something about historicals are borked
nova socket
yeh someone explained it to me in other discord and it won't be fixed, I guess week 1 clear benefits
🙃
nova socket
uh
for e7s do first gcd no mercy and you can finish a gnashing fang before adds, other than that the fight is perma uptime really
nova socket
no first gcd
nova socket
yes
storm frostBOT
nova socket
Did you do 2x NM on adds?
rose atlas
p sure i did
rose atlas
rose atlas
its betwee
6m
and 8m
where i guess i became braindead
and missed a cast
its weird too im p sure i used it on cd
except where i held it for adds transition
nova socket
uhh yeh you hold that one
maybe ur killtime was just bad and you couldve technically got one
but it wouldnt even be worth cus downtime
rose atlas
enrage
nova socket
pf is interesting yeh
I had enrage ramuh
earlier today
we died to enrage at 2%
Mine says I lost a no mercy as well
its just cus downtime mechanics
rose atlas
top dps is a nin at 14k
nova socket
shouldnt worry about that
nova socket
Its cus u have to delay no mercy
before the adds
And then theres more downtime after depending on kill time
nova socket
Youll misalign with with gnashing after adds usually
but it doesnt matter as long as you get gf inside the nm
ocean sphinx
E8S: What's the easiest Light rampant strategy to Execute we are doing Ilya's at the moment and its not consistent
ocean sphinx
when orbs soak second set of towers
quick verge
that strat is like one of the 'easiest' imo
people probably need to practice the strat a fair amount anyway
ocean sphinx
i mean the main prob is
quick verge
regardless of strat
ocean sphinx
the orb can clip if u move too fast to the tower
like for example Forsakens seems more
quick verge
wait before moving into the tower
quick verge
no
ocean sphinx
oh ok thanks anyway just searching if someone found some epic strat for it
foggy latch
i assume forsaken strat is ppl with balls eat 1st towers + chained ppl spread enough to bait cones
then eat balls and chained ppl 2 2 on each tower and get cones again
then those with 3 get last towers
but yeah out of all savage mechs
light rampant is 2nd hardest savage mechanic i came through
1st goes to gavel
even tea gavel is easier
simple sky
jp forsaken
nova socket
Tower 1: Chained people
Protean 1: Chained people
Tower 2: North/South orb + dps chains
Protean 2: E/W Orb + Tank/Healer chains
Orbs pull opposite of your spawn, meaning, if youre the south orb you pull it north, east to west etc.
Basically, strat is adjusted so you do not need any shapes on the chains, most strats force you to make an hour glass/bowtie shape, this does not.
Proteans will always be on the same people, orb people have minimal uptime loss and does not need to move alot.
Chain people have to be positioned properly within the inner circle of the soak marker, dps move slowly to second soak.
rose atlas
is it called forsaken because is it literally o8s forsaken
or is that what the mechanic is called
quick verge
boomers trying to flex that they've played the game for a while
there's towers and balls time to find the mechanic that has a resemblance to it
simple sky
I have had 0 trouble with ilya strat, tho apparently somehow other people keep touching balls
quick verge
people getting greedy prob
simple sky
i hope I can clear shiva next week
foggy latch
just like shadow spread ppl said flamethrower o11s
quick verge
did you guys know that shiva's mirrors are just mana charge/release
😳
spread the word
simple sky
bruh
foggy latch
its wild charge
lyric summit
what's mana charge
foggy latch
Unshadowed buster in E7S is final omega buster
quick verge
kefka
simple sky
she "lies" about the mech so its kefka
lyric summit
not the mirror tho 
simple sky
lul
quick verge
a 3 hour cutscene is also a kefka mechanic
foggy latch
exaflare is emptiness
lyric summit
emptiness is the attack of a golem boss from doma castle
nova socket
Static member: "Just do the o/a/x1-12 mechanic strat"
me, a shb baby: "ok let's go!"
rose atlas
^
thorn bear
lmao everyone names strats after previous strats
it makes it easier for the majority of people that aren't brand new to the game and also on shiva in week 3
it cuts down on explanation when you can just say that path of light is protean wave
nova socket
Just kill week 1 lol
thorn bear
but if you don't know that's cool too it confused me when people called numbers in o12s limit cut
lol
quick verge
it'd be pretty epic if you actually had the cleaves and dashes in M/F
simple sky
i will one day find the lowest uptime possible strat and call it uptime strat
thorn bear
it'd probably be a more neat mechanic if you had to do teleport and dashes while half the arena was being cleaved
I still like M/F alot as a fight I think people gave it a really bad rep because you had to fight final omega
quick verge
I feel like M/F really exemplified 'lol server ticks'
pallid vigil
So does the new food work in TEA still (like say Sausage and Sauerkraut) or do I still need Popoto Salad? I'm just wondering
quick verge
new food works
as do pots
still should be using bis from last tier until the 5.3 dungeon changes it
pallid vigil
Yeah because ilvl restriction, but would I get more stats with the new food or would those stats lock too?
quick verge
more stats with new food
inland ore
For e7s I was told that 2 melees will always get opposite colour debuffs from each other (ditto for the ranged). Is that true?
uncut charm
false
inland ore
It's simply completely random among dps, isn't it?
dull radish
yeah, though there's a neat strat where you have the tank invuln both stack markers
and then you can use the now empty lanes to modify colors as you'd like to have both melee (and both ranged) be separate colors, so a melee doesn't have to move away
inland ore
I see. I'll keep that in mind for when I'm finally bis in week 48 and can join parse parties.
uncut charm
I'm actually not sure which mechanics he refers to tho
😂
the part where you have birds + towers
double there is a way to cheese it if 2 melees get the same colours?
(I was actually assuming he was asking for that part)
dull radish
yeah so right after adds, the two stack markers are baited by proximity and tether onto the target. You can have a single tank take both and invuln so they don't die, pointing them off to the sides a bit more so people can chill in mid and take less damage. Overall cozier/easier to heal, and some jobs it's a bit nicer since you don't have to randomly move off to one side. Taking two tethers always turns you to white debuff regardless of starting color
with this, since the tethered stacks aren't taken on the lanes on either edge, you can stand there and take no damage (and not have your debuff color changed)
so you can utilize this to "correct" the colors so you can make sure both melee have opposite colors, and both ranged/caster have opposite colors
by either avoiding or getting hit by the center lane charges as needed to make it work
quick verge
melee uptime
dull radish
Melee uptime, it's better for BLM, it's easier to heal
And it's not like the tankbuster is hard to share, that you save anything from using invuln for that
By far a much more productive use of invuln for this instead
stable basin
I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but my static is trying to get a clear tonight for e5s. We've seen enrage. We're in PF rn. If anyone wants to join, let me know c:
quick verge
i fail to see your point
dull radish
I think your math might be a bit off there haha, but even if it was worse odds anyways it would still be worthwhile nonetheless
dull radish
(it's also 50% chance for melee to get the same color)
nova socket
Doesn't matter what the actual percentile is, I'll take less aoe dmg and a consistent perma uptime for both melees
dull radish
Yeahh
dull radish
I'm gonna pass on that one though haha
nova socket
e7s logs are so fun
Im rank 1 and rank 2 boss dps but cus people played bad on adds its bad log
:)
nova socket
Nah the adds actually change timings
e8s adds are static
you cant gain time on them
think more tanks will get weapons this week so theres going to be more competition pog
nova socket
idk what diadem even is
lyric summit
eureka's grandpa
nova socket
Saying that as if I know what eureka is
cursive horizon
did people have the pf macro for e8s lol
rose atlas
does the p1 double slap have to be invulned
because fuck that hits hard even with cooldowns
quick verge
does it have to be
no
should you
probably
not going to be using it on much else
nova socket
It doesn't have to be, but it's free so why not
gaunt cosmos
is it hard to clear savage content with pugs/partyfinder
lyric summit
not really
tame radish
It's only hard when you get stuck in a trap party
gaunt cosmos
how far up the eden levels do you think is realistic pugging it lol
tame radish
All of em
lyric summit
all the way
gaunt cosmos
oh wow, thanks
foggy latch
shit logs today but i got wep finally and im i496
quick verge
beta
dull radish
full release is out now
uncut charm
Maybe ACT should be broken every reset day
Had the fastest reclear last night because ACT was brok
turbid steppe
Breaks all my other mods too I mean what hi
simple sky
cheats
nova socket
I got damage down on Shiva PepeHands
uncut charm
Niko
Same
Suddenly I forgot whats silence and stillness
We kind of pepega'd a bit but we skipped last hallowed wings
Still gucci
nova socket
God the scuffed Shiva log memes make it so I can't get the drk log off my profile even if I wanted
Ahh
!wl @nova socket
storm frostBOT
quick verge
smile
fleet bough
I need some Ruby EX mechanics advice
During the phases where it’s doing the charge and gets the claw halfway through, how can you best tell when the safe ground is going to collapse and drag you under?
And what’s the best way to avoid getting caught by that?
uncut charm
pop sprint once he gets his claw
dusty dirge
does extracting a materia
from an item
damage it in anyway?
besides reducing the item down to 1%
spiritbound
steady pebble
nope
storm frostBOT
rose atlas
just living dead lol
pallid vigil
Saving that for Tornado
And 9/10
It's AFTER Tornado where she messes that up
So not an option
pallid vigil
She's with me after
For the circles
For the blue circles where you gotta duo, since we only got 1 Melee, she's with me
And she messes it up
A lot
foggy latch
our reclears took 1 hour which is surprising
all fights were oneshot except E6S
then we went back to meme on TEA getting rest of ppl clear and weps then move to UCoB
fleet bough
pop sprint once he gets his claw
@uncut charm Ah. That's what I was missing. I kept getting caught in the place that was safe like .5 seconds before and dying.
I'll have to keep that in mind for the next time.
Thank you.
dull radish
can still make it fine without sprint, for what it's worth, especially if you know where you're going and start moving right away, but sprint just makes it easier
foggy latch
imagine ruby is on arrow instead on where he is and imagine he is pulling claw same way
safespot is like the 1st but with little imaginery
fleet bough
Ah, no, my issue was with getting out of the collapsing formerly safe zone (6 Fulms Under).
The actual dash and claw mechanic is otherwise quite easy
foggy latch
move as soon he dive
rose atlas
last night a dps literally chased me down with their tether and killed me
hazy plume
So I'm curious; I have roughly 180ms ping and 20-25 fps average. Can I feasibly attempt any SHB extremes/savages, even if 'old' content such as the earlier edens?
lyric summit
probably, though fps that low sounds pretty painful on the eyes
but people play with way higher ping
lyric summit
yes? doesn't really matter when content comes out, unless you mean dps checks but that's outgeared after 3-4 weeks of timestones and weeklies
thorn bear
My bard is from new zealand
Low fps probably sucks but my friend before he upgraded played on 15 fps in raid
thorn bear
Barely
But we got thru most of halicarnassus before hurricane maria stopped him from raiding lol
stable basin
My old lappy got 25~30 and dropped to 2 fps for a couple seconds on kefka's spread fire
It also made it incredibly hard to get 10 on tsundere birb's ddr
inland ore
I knew someone whose pc would freeze up momentarily whenever there were Fire3-esque aoes on everyone.
The red fists stacking in o11s would be a pseudo-dc for them.
quick verge
red fists were great
inland ore
It's not like there isn't a precedent for mechanics breaking the 4th wall and affecting players in a meta sense.
hallow beacon
Any beginner tips for someone that want to start raiding?
Finished Shadowbringers MSQ two days ago and I want to try raiding
whole tundra
if you did all your normal eden verse already this week
go watch a video of savage Ramuh
and then just jump in a pug and start learning tbh
you could also just do Ruby EX for your weapon first if you wanna practice
might be better
hallow beacon
I havent done any of the 5.0 savages, should I skip them?
I'm still unlocking content
hazy plume
---got distracted but
hmmm
in this case, seems like fps might be more of an issue than ping (since it's not around 300ish at least)
my fears around ping were on precision of getting out of AoEs (and FPS with not being mobile enough)
what I heard so far is promising though! just gotta practice normals a fair bit, then maybe look around for someone patient enough to practice with a full on greenhorn so savage/extreme
whole tundra
.... i don't know how people advise on the older 5.0 savages now
because you're gonna take a while to learn those. and like nobody wants to do it rn
theyre just doing newer 4
as soon as 5.2 hit, people got neo-ishgardian gear for every slot, either with or without ruby ex weapon, then jumped into savage 5678
dont need anything else
well okay, ACT if you wanna know how good or bad you're doing, w/e
hallow beacon
Jesus, Titan is NOT a high ping friendly battle lol gonna have to practice a lot if im gonna do the savage version
stable basin
yeah thats ilya
rose atlas
ty
hallow beacon
Anywhere I can see updated BIS?
hallow beacon
Gonna check it out
rose atlas
oops
uncut charm
why is it called ilya
quick verge
sheep
uncut charm
usually it's called by the person who posted that strat but I don't recall whos ilya
quick verge
some person who makes video on youtube
i think guides also
i saw them use a selfish embolden in one of their povs
stable basin
selfish embolden in year of our lord two thousand onescore
quick verge
the selfish embolden bothered me enough that i can't remember much else about their vids
nova socket
Ilya strat aka the week 1 strat where melees lose uptime but it's also harder to execute than others but pugs use it anyways.
stable basin
it's ez if ppl don't greed
nova socket
Any strat is "ez" if you just sac uptime tho
And even then Ilya strat requires specific movements that aren't intuitive
stable basin
true to an extent
there are different strats for mechs that don't have a boss available that are still on a sliding scale of intuitive vs easy to execute
I don't see anything unintuitive about ilya tho
go across from your ball, take closest tower clockwise of you, and ur done
or literally just chill where the tower is and scooch in a little to give room
gonna need to test more cause we've just been safeboyes so far but I think if everyone sticks to their lane when they run through you don't need to peel off to dodge the orbs
so the only real downtime is when you take your orb after the N/S towers
nova socket
Yeh, that's the "only" downtime if you greed during first protean, which is the only possible downtime on forsaken
And Ilya seems much more tight on movement of the orbs, keep in mind I haven't done it so
stable basin
It's a lot easier that it looks to avoid the orbs
The only real risk is that you get clipped by a protean as you run out and around the incoming orb
but again I think if you do it properly you don't actually need to do that
uncut charm
somewhat tried that during prog, it does have a significant risk of either getting clipped by 1st protean or touching not your orb
personally would prefer just to safeboi reclears to get shit done and then if want to parse, do uptime strat.
quick verge
there should be no issue with 1st protean if you just move as soon as you see what orb you're tethered to
nova socket
That also means you sac 5+ gcds
But for re-clears n shit its fine yeh we didn't to any better strats for our re-clears either
uncut charm
don't think its 5
my grp does semi tps - we start the same as "ilya" strat where we shift across the orb we tethered to, then adjust slightly clockwise to make the ball pass the mid slanted before moving into melee to pop ball and take 2nd protean
I throw 4 shield lobs there
3 if I actually greed but I respect content on reclears
minor estuary
I figured some things out about Ruby EX, it looks like Ravensflight (the dash attack) only has 2 patterns. (So you can predict which side is safe for his laat dash.)
Not sure, because it is possible there are 4 patterns, so i need to test it.
minor estuary
What i was thinking about is that when he goes right at the first turn he will show his right wing.
Same for left.
That means is it always far from arrow.
If that is true there are only 2 patterns.
Because the dash pattern is always the same. (An hourglass)
foggy latch
u can get closer to arrow too
i had that yesterday
also
holy shit this parse
wow
minor estuary
It depends, it is easy to dodge.
Because the pattern is the same you can think ahead.
foggy latch
its basically easy mirror mirror 3
minor estuary
Darkness, only 181.4k LB damage? That is weak! 😁
foggy latch
its LB2
minor estuary
Ah yes.
foggy latch
comets skip
minor estuary
You know many players still gets confused about that.
You can skip the 2nd ravensflight too.
minor estuary
Ah, the 2 adds before the comets.
minor estuary
We almost actually did skipped it.
0.1% when he did the 2nd ravensflight with 2 LB bars, just too late.
minor estuary
Yes, the 2nd ravensflight.
foggy latch
which we almost skipped it alot of times
minor estuary
We also skipped that one.
You know the dash attack is quite simple to dodge. You know the last dash is behind you when he does the first dash, so if he turns right and shows his right wing, you know the south part will be safe when he has done his first winged dash.
minor estuary
@foggy latch , what do you think of that theory?
Left + Left wing / Right + Right Wing > Do down (and far) after first winged dash.
Left + Right wing / Right + Left wing > Go up and far after first winged dash. (Due to his penuiltimate dash)
rose atlas
@uncut charm only called ilya strat because he popularized it in NA
nova socket
idk LBing for tanks who do sub 10k
lyric summit
LB the tanks as punishment
quick verge
just perform the action known as doing more damage in order to complete the instance before a problematic mechanic arises 5head
quick verge
next week
minor estuary
You can skip comets when you have top DPS, it is easy to manage, so it is not really a problem.
nova socket
👏
nova socket
It's a for fun log party
we didn't even LB and still got rank 1 speed
It's not even a static cus Ill be pugging my kills next week
🙃
quick verge
gl
minor estuary
Because if you do savage PUG and clear it you are the Eden Verse king?
sick zephyr
Hello, I am new to FF14 and would like to know if there is PvE content like the Deep Dungeon Records, where you can actually use your own gear?
lyric summit
no
rose atlas
your DD gear is dependant on aetherpool level
stable basin
dis anyone?
lyric summit
dis?
stable basin
hi frens need to help a fren clear ruby normal to unlock extreme. Can anyone helps? ;-;
snow prawn
Do people still do Ultima Weapon and Bahamut (lvl 70) ?
The weapons are cool as hell and I'd love to get my hand on them
mortal stone
@stable basin some statics go back and do old ultimates after they’re done getting BiS from the current raid tier. Depends on the group though
Most plan to go back to TEA from what I have seen
stable basin
There will be a lot of groups running those this tier because no current ultimate
uncut gate
is the first strength in numbers in e7s always the donut?
a couple of guides said it's random (which the following seems to be)
but i've only ever seen donut for the first one
uncut gate
neat, thanks
rain drift
the reasoning behind that if you wanna connect dots is
theres always an away with thee after it
Iron Chariot (aoe) would be really awkward
kind schooner
when you reverse the order of birds and not only eat the first charge, but also the portal charge
last geode
For e8s, whats the best way to deal with the adds?
Seems like a lot of groups Im in dont know how to clear that part
Or when they do it's slow and we never usually get past the dps check
dull radish
well, when it gets down to it, especially with more gear, the buff from doing adds properly ends up being pretty minimal. Of course, it's better if you end up getting it, but you're fine without it. If you do want to get it, generally you want something like, melee + ranged left, melee + caster on the right. The backup silence will be useful on the left
last geode
Oh I meant the adds order
Not what happens after
Im still doing prog so the buff doesnt exactly matter for the time being
dull radish
adds order doesn't really matter too much specifically, as long as you aim to kill them in time. Making sure you have silences for the earths as needed, stuns for the aqueous as needed, are the big things. And knowing that lightning adds have least HP but do damage per hit they take (as soon as they get the buff up, you can hit them before then for free damage before the reflect), earth get a stoneskin off if their cast isn't silenced/they don't get nuked before then (can still die in time but takes a good bit more damage), and aqueous just have a lot of HP and are generally stunned once or twice to get them down in time
other than that it's just kinda a bit of a balance and paying attention to how close the adds are/how much HP they have
last geode
Ok ty
foggy latch
not really its about forsaken difficulty
stable basin
Double wings are basically telegraphed though
foggy latch
and kill ppl with it
stable basin
And it was always on the tanks
foggy latch
they are not hello
stable basin
That's what I'm saying
It's not like the proteans that are on the four closest players, it was a non issue because the tanks baited it consistently
foggy latch
if tank far one will bait it and kill ppl
if tank too close ppl will catch up in the aoe
stable basin
That's not possible unless the dps is just excruciatingly bad
foggy latch
which is same as light rampant
stable basin
Not even close
foggy latch
add to it healing gotta top ppl before it and before heads explode
stable basin
Just in terms of raw numbers light's path happens twice on four players each which makes it more difficult to execute properly compared to wings
foggy latch
its almost same difficulty
stable basin
But the major offender is that the orbs need to be baited until after second towers through the middle unlike box strat which baited it through the outside
foggy latch
there is ultima and light of judgement happening too
stable basin
That the heads can technically be exploded at any time also made it more forgiving
That's not during heads so it's fine
foggy latch
light rampant has almost no dmg going during it
foggy latch
proteans are baitable just like double wings
stable basin
Yes but it's still strictly harder
foggy latch
wut?
stable basin
Because the first four players with the chains need to take the first set of proteans
So you can't freely choose baiters
stable basin
Overall LR is just much harder than forsaken in terms of the amount of things happening and room for error, think they did a great job of making an actually difficult final fight though
last geode
Lol light rampant
foggy latch
i judge mechs on how long you take to pass it
last geode
So many strats with little success
foggy latch
not how many mechs it got
wormhole may look easy after u pass it
but it still took us good 15 hours to pass it 1st time perfectly
time is the measure to use on how difficult a mechanic is
stable basin
Purely random things like LR will always kill party finders
foggy latch
i was in pfs
and they pass it fine like 75% of time
just cause u join bad pfs =/ its hard mech
i stil say E8S is hardest savage i have cleared since creator days
due to sheer amount of mechanics it got
also
she never repeat any single mechanic
all mechanics she use are only seen once and never happen again
which is why thordan EX was pretty hard when he was relevant
he never repeat mechs which made him hardest EX fight to this day
dull radish
...both fights introduced mechanics and then repeated them with different elements/combinations of mechanics
thorn bear
Repeated with a different flavor as opposed to the tried and true stormblood method of just copy and pasting
quick verge
that's wild
fleet bough
I know it has a point where it just start spamming... Outrage? I think the spell is called?
Pugs hit that all the time.
rose atlas
normal mode
heavy mountain
I saw it day 1 with 4 dps that were barely beating me as sch
After the third wipe one of them goes "I don't get it why do we keep wiping?"
last geode
😂
stable basin
hi.
lyric summit
hi
stable basin
I got my ruby weapon, farming my crystal set , what is there left to do besides eden savage?
side quests and map clears?
stable basin
Damn
foggy latch
everything else is easy and isnt part of #endgame-lounge
lyric summit
but not like there's no content besides pve endgame
just that if you're specifically interested in that then yeah, just savage and ultimates
foggy latch
maybe endgam crafting?
quick verge
diadem part 12
heavy mist
BA
turbid steppe
PvP? 
rose atlas
deep dungeons
wet stag
does anyone have that image of a drk and pld in a party list, the drk is covered but has a million buffs up, and the pld is at low health and casting clemency and also has like 7 vuln stacks
wet stag
nvm found it
its this one https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/100463940835762176/511724056094048276/IMG_20180510_100643__01.png
quick verge
protect and darkside
heavy mist
old cover pog
quaint marten
no, no det. you can meld spellspeed too if you wanna go faster
quaint marten
the difference between dhit and det is that det benefits your healing but dhit doesnt
but dhit helps your blood lily hit harder
even then, the difference is tiny so really meld what you want
iron seal
ye and healing is already strong anyways rly
quaint marten
like 2 or 3%
quaint marten
so meld whatever you like
dull radish
det still has a reasonable place as far as optimizing around stat tiers is concerned
nova socket
If you gain a det tier with a meld or few it's worth it
but that's smth you only look at when you're bis
rose atlas
i meld det because fuck warrior melds
quick verge
warrior melds 😬
lyric summit
i love when my gpu implodes and doesn't load mechanics
lyric summit
quick verge
what the hell
heavy mountain
quick verge
i found some shitty tech at the beginning of e5s that i actually got to test on drg
if you're on like, 2.46 gcd with drg
you can just have your healer rescue you at 95%+ of the castbar for the lightning staves exploding
and you can get a gcd that you would've otherwise lost
rose atlas
@severe notch you on icelit?
severe notch
No adds @rose atlas
rose atlas
F
severe notch
This has been an awful teir
severe notch
Dont think we even have 20 hours yet
high ether
summary of raid last night:
dps: why do i have agGRO
me: oh i forgot tank stance
dps: screaming
neon kindle
are titania ex and innocence ex just for glams at this point
or do people do them for other reasons
same with hades i guess
are e5-8s doable with pugs
quaint marten
yes it puggable but your milage may vary
titania and innocence equipment are now obsolete and are only for glam
they still drop the mount tho as well as the crafting material
whole tundra
@neon kindle it's puggable but everyone's complaining about pugs being particularly bad this time
you just have to stick to it for hours and be patient and also grab the people you think are good
rose atlas
@neon kindle one thing to keep in mind
the more time you use pf
the less the quality
of pugs
neon kindle
wym
rose atlas
@neon kindle overtime pf quality will decrease
neon kindle
whats good rdm food
turbid steppe
Cabbages!
neon kindle
ty
stable basin
so i just transfered to tonberry from Cactuar and after doing the normal Eden raids there on the bigger ping diff im looking forward to doing it now the ping should be a decent amount less
compact fiber
Sooooo i gotta Question ima playing as a astro and altough everyone tells me to use nocturnel iam still using Diurnal but iam kinda getting the feeling that nocturnal is better but i cant seem to find reason why sooo can anyone tell me which is really better ^^
quaint marten
Diurnal is usually better
unless you have a WHM cohealer then you can consider going noct, even then diurnal is usually straight up stronger
unless you really really need the shields
even then you have neutral sect to help
and Celestial Intersection as well
remote cave
Does anyone know how level sync in duties work? (High end duties)
If I'm going to get sync-ed to 470, I am aware that I should get the BiS for 470 but what about food and potions?
Do I use ilvl480 food or ilvl470? Also, is it better for me to use Grade 2 Tinctures or Grade 3?
heavy mist
if the equipment u wearing is higher item level than the sync, then you lose all materia bonuses. At a certain item level, substats will cap thus negating wearing the gear for that item level. You should be using the higher item level food (usually) and its better to use the higher potions
Seems like you are asking for Alexander Ultimate, which in this case you use the BIS from Eden's Gate
@remote cave
If you were doing UCOB or UwU then you would use the newest gear without fear of losing substats
remote cave
Okay! Thank you!
rose atlas
you'd use the newest food aswell @remote cave
same goes for pots
those arent capped
remote cave
Thank you!
earnest current
Heyo, where should i look to find some kind of guide showing the most commonly used strat used by pug for e8s ?
foggy latch
this just leaves E8S to fix
quick verge
nice
neon kindle
what's the point of rotating in ruby?
quick verge
melee uptime
dull radish
so melee can be on short lines
neon kindle
why don't they just get good?
dull radish
there is no "getting good"
neon kindle
i guess i've only been in parties that can barely handle the mechanic without thinking about rotating this way or that
rose atlas
people making no rotate parties show how much they trust pf
mortal stone
@neon kindle no rotate is generally seen as safer in pf
I have limited experience with rotate but when I've done it I usually screw it up
So when I do ruby I usually look for no rotate
Phase 1's enrage is dirt easy anyway
Losing uptime during ravensclaw isn't a big deal imo
dull radish
it's the sort of thing that's seen as "safer" but really it's essentially zero effort to rotate
it's either "oh I'm on the right one" or "oh I'm on the wrong one let me move one to the left"
torn kindle
My only qualm is that Undermine seems to be a gamble on how people move for that
Thankfully the sections are big enough to fit 3 people if needed
mortal stone
Yeah undermine can get messy in rotate
dull radish
yeah like it doesn't matter if multiple people end up in the same section
so even if people decide to randomly rotate differently (which is kinda weird to begin with but whatever) it's not like it's actually an issue
torn kindle
And in Drak’s newest video they mess up and get 4 people in the same section and I think they all could’ve survived with proper aoe placement.
Only one died
Obviously not ideal, just something I saw
dull radish
yeah there's a lot of room/leeway
foggy latch
fuck would be orange if we didnt wipe
quick verge
you'd get a better idea of what your parse would be if it was at time where shiva is normally killed
dull radish
yeahh
quick verge
also gl with that sam
whole tundra
ouch
quick verge
probably doing nothing in tech step
whole tundra
8
dull radish
I'm still a bit disappointed people really didn't want last week's logs to be public, which were really good for me, but I was having an off day last night and that all got uploaded haha
but hopefully a bit better luck next week, I suppose
quick verge
we always make public if it's someone's pb
some spicy 4 death runs go on in the depths of cursed logs
dull radish
would have been my easy early-ish oranges for everything
we were never really about selective uploading but not for that time I guess
quick verge
what fight
stable basin
shiva
quick verge
impressive
torn kindle
wants fast kill
doesn’t care about melee uptime
HMMMMM
rose atlas
@blazing pelican tri
blazing pelican
then do triangle strat, and press true north when you have to
this isn't rocket surgery, and this is pf
blazing pelican
ohhh
True North Fury 14 is the safe strat
because there's always some fool that drops their brain somewhere between their oGCD weaves
rose atlas
thats why TN parties exist and boss relative parties exist
it goes to show how much the leader trusts PF with TN e5 and no rotate ruby weapon
blazing pelican
trust
PF
you're funny
stable basin
Dont y'all wish SE did something with ||Amaurot|| for endgame? Just something, anything. [[Shadowbringers] Quest spoiler]
I wish for the place to be completed, remade
||Rejoined|| <- Learned in ARR or something
Were there more cities in ||The Star||?
^also ShB
stable basin
should I just spoiler tag ||rejoined||?
stable basin
right
sweet blade
But also this isn't the chat for talking about lore
stable basin
also, i think this chat also means ARR, HW and SB endgame
So they still need to be tagged
^for the guy above mentioning that
Well since this is endgame discussion, should I go straight for Crystarium gear as my ilvl boost?
Im 419 ilvl and im at level 80
Whats the optimal route / farming method to get higher Ilvl?
torn kindle
i430: starter job set + first 3 level 80 dungeon accessories
i440: ronkan stuff from clan nutsy
i445: Grand Cosmos dungeon set
i450: Eden’s Gate normal
i455: Anamnesis Anyder dungeon set
i460: Deepshadow tomestone set and YorHa alliance dungeon set
i470: Augmented Deepshadow
i480: Eden’s Verse normal and Neo-Ishgardian crafted set
i485: Ruby Extreme Weapon
i490: Allegory tomestone set
i500: Augmented Allegory and Eden’s Verse Savage set
Grand Cosmos and Anamnesis Anyder are story dungeons
nova socket
You can buy crafted i480 or do normal eden for timegated i480 pieces
torn kindle
If you're willing to spend gil you can jump straight to or near i480 with Neo-Ishgardian
I suggest the weapon at minimum for the biggest boost and to make gearing the other slots happen faster, as weapons are the most expensive in terms of tomestones
stable basin
I really wanna do the first lvl 80 dungeons and get the loot from them since they have something with ||Amaurot|| to do
^The Tempest spoiler
Isnt there a Glamour set for the npcs who live there?
torn kindle
The level 80 job set? that's your starting set of level 80 gear.
you technically get it through the story
stable basin
yea along with the 430 belt from Amaurot and those dungeons
and the accessoaries from them
sweet blade
The first 3 dungeons only drop accessories
stable basin
and a belt
sweet blade
Which is an accessory
stable basin
your class gear doesnt include a belt, so they put it there
what???
its left side tho?
quick verge
accessory
sweet blade
Belts are considered an accessory
stable basin
but theyre under "Armor" at tomestone traders
quick verge
you upgrade tome belts with polishes as well, the same as the other accessories
nova socket
Very consistent :)
quick verge
we can do a much simpler test to determine if it's an accessory or not
can you eat it y/n
idk i just call it an accessory because what type of belt protects you from a fatal blow
rapid sapphire
lulu confirmed
vale wagon
rose atlas
wowzers
dull radish
oh hey I had that before, though I'd never really call a run perfect
foggy latch
ty healers not getting esunaed in icelit in my fkn perfect run
inner mulch
idk if you're aware but the percentiles in wipe logs are based on killtimes, noone has killed at 11:30 so that percentile is totally inaccurate
if you go through rankings you can see that 13.7k is like an 85
its 1k+ dps behind a 99
rose atlas
@inner mulch
foggy latch
i mean you keep gaining dps the longer fight goes
ty for 2+ mins downtime
before it stop increasing at one point just like E1S
since i start last phase at 11k dps
also 99 is 14500
so about 700 more which is easily gotten if fight went on
orchid hamlet
What are people farming for Tomestones of Phantasmagoria
torn kindle
Extreme primals can be pretty decent with good kill times and if you want the mount too
torn kindle
Just remember to do your daily roulettes for those Phanta
orchid hamlet
Only SB trials give phanta and idk how to do those
torn kindle
All level 80 content gives Phanta, including dungeons
Roulettes do too when done on a level 80 class
orchid hamlet
Its gonna suck for gearing up three different job classes
heavy mist
Hunts/Maps are some nice ways to get em if u can do it
also helping people with first time content gives plenty as well assuming its lv 80
stable basin
phanta grape
kind schooner
I just had my first experience in ruby ex where I got oneshot from dalamud's fall when nael's energy was at 0. It dealt 99k dmg, I have 92k HP without food, 96k with food
I honestly didnt think it was required tanks used their party-wide mitigation tool like pld's wings or sacred soil to survive it
polar iron
welcome to life as a caster in 5.2
where mechanics just oneshot you because why not make everything physical 
foggy ivy
Hello everyone I set up a P1T6 unysc bird farm
quick verge
nice
stable basin
wew lad
polar iron
Is that adps 
quick verge
always
polar iron
quick verge
where the rank doe
quick verge
uhhhhhhh lemme check
polar iron
i think i got that 805 yesterday and it was maybe some gcds after conflag
quick verge
can probably skip the shit part of the mechanic once everyone has their weapon
would also be good for my dps since i end a nastrond window towards the start of conflag
polar iron
i think skipping tornado is gonna be the new skip smokers
feel like you need a similar output
quick verge
7s in general is highly cursed
quick verge
oh
polar iron
i dont like 7 at all lol
quick verge
that's also cursed
polar iron
just boring
nova socket
just 1 succor or something works
@heavy mist
Succor is the last thing you'd want to ever use
heavy mist
🤷
quick verge
or something implies literally any other mitigation tool in the game
also welcome to 2k20 where melee finally get their revenge for the past 6 tiers where it's 90% magic damage
dull radish
stupid birds in betwixt worlds
quick verge
ive been using feint for the birds in betwixt worlds, but i'm not sure if it's doing anything
it's the thought that counts though right
🙂
quick verge
good to know
polar iron
i dont mind betwixt i think that existing is fine
but having a mech do 80% of my hp even at i498 in an ex trial is pretty wack ngl
also yeah feint gets spread from the boss to the small birds i scoured through logs at one point
sleek lodge
How do tanks handle the tankbuster in E6S really in pugs? I know they have to tankswap to save the MT an invuln, my real question is that when that happens, is the OT obligued to turn on their stance and MT to turn it off? Can't they just do that temporal tankswap and then the MT remains the same?
turbid canopy
yeah you could go back to the original mt if you wanted to
doesnt really change much either way
sleek lodge
so if one wants to go back to the original MT, MT remains with tank stance on and OT doesnt turn it on at all right?
of course with the proper tankswap, voke and shirk
because some people want to do the MT remains and others want to do the "normal" swap
turbid canopy
if somehow the mt gets emnity back before the tb is completely over they can get targeted from the flying knee attack
which ive seen kill people. so to be safe the ot can put on stance and taunt to ensure they keep aggro for the entire tb
sleek lodge
I see, I like the safe way thank you
foggy latch
depends
if you keep attacking the add with reflect and dropped below 50% hp then you deserve it
healer is just inclined to keep you above 50% for the aoe but not help you solo thunder add and keep eating damage
you have 3 people with you to swap on thunder add if you gonna end up below 50% if you keep attacking
vale dagger
I just noticed a DPS died after healer died, so did the DPS kill the healer?