ah fuck
#endgame-lounge
rose atlas
dull radish
it's just judgement nisi
which is literally hey go to your square that matches your nisi and kill the add
it's not the a4s nisi
lusty oak
boring
bring back sacc
need 7 ppl to sacc
and then heal LB3
SE should make fun of that strat
lyric summit
if there's one thing I'm not looking forward to is spamming lb3 like in uwu 
heavy mist
we will see
stable basin
2 enigma codex status effects with the status effect of manipulating time
16-man timestop where you record your positions you heard it here first
lusty oak
I hope JP gets WF.
next cloak
grats jp
stable basin
That's not even the golden one
regal halo
Repeated messages that doesn't give a shit about people who don't want to be spoiled will be dealt with accordingly.
hazy crypt
What happened?
torn kindle
spoiling the final phase of the alexander ultimate with datamine stuff
hazy crypt
And I think I like iluna
torn kindle
like models
hazy crypt
Only mod that's not power tripped.
And follows the actual rules and doesn't act above them. coughs
lyric summit
rain field
iluna doesn't really try but actually looks like a mod when they are around
iluna isn't forced to mod here anyways
dull radish
yeah that was the expectation, since that's how it was for the previous ones
rose atlas
are these anima weapons?
dull radish
yeah
snow plover
anyone have the dps requirements for each Hades ex enrage phase?
lyric summit
they're so low I don't think anyone bothered figuring them out
haven't seen anything
silver bronze
So now that I'm nice and caught up... Is it wrong I wanna see a remix of the Twinning but with We Are Number One?
nova socket
hades has an enrage?
finite plank
yes?...
uneven stump
anyone tried the ult alexander fight yet?
serene lotus
Very likely
rose atlas
all ex trials have a enrage iirc
idk about arr ones
p sure that hades ex dps check is p low
can probably get away with all dps doing around 10k
serene lotus
He meant it as a joke because the requirements are so lenient no one should see it
hasty ermine
Did they leaked the final Form from Alexander ultimate?
nova socket
its all on the same datamine twitter thread
unreal flax
Has anyone passed pepsiman yet?
uncut charm
yes
unreal flax
What's after that? Oppressor? I started watching xeno and he's in Kugane lol
hasty ermine
cruiser and brute justice right?
dull radish
cruise chaser limit cut + shiva optical sight for the transition. Then j-kick into cruise chaser and brute justice together
unreal flax
OH WOW
dull radish
and they start kitchen sinking you a bit
nova socket
aka fuck you
unreal flax
Not sure why I thought it'd be another Ucob/Uwu one by one situation again
dull radish
judgement nisi x4 + link up + chakrams + baited optical sight
unreal flax
Come on Arthars! Pull! I wanna see if I can do this fight with my eyes closed like I think I can
(mechanics always look easier when you're not handling them lol)
nova socket
yup
dull radish
both parts of the fight so far have dual target
uncut charm
the transition was a good shock tho
suddenly cruise come with limit cut and optical sight
people were like wait wait wait what
no time to breathe
dull radish
RDM is mostly the one that's in a bit awkward spot, at least where it's at now
lyric summit
well, we haven't seen him ||assemble|| yet 
lyric summit
owo link
glossy musk
Who's furthest streaming?
uncut charm
wasnt u the one who posted in staff room
glossy musk
just been watching momo
uncut charm
oh
heavy mist
i think most streamers are at the same place
unreal flax
Haha Pepsman looks like cake
heavy mist
at this point
uncut charm
btw
unreal flax
Oh wow, that transition really is no joke
heavy mist
intermission is walling hard
dull radish
SMN is exceedingly strong for extended two target
glossy musk
Yeah every transition is fucked up
dull radish
BLM is, oh I can cleave with Foul and thundercloud proc that's about it
unreal flax
Has the Optical Sight been the same pattern each time?
dull radish
yeah
unreal flax
Oh, well there's that at least
dull radish
it's always double shiva for the transition
uncut charm
but I doubt Cruise and Brute will be near enough to cleave anyways
unreal flax
Could you imagine stacking int he middle and having it be giant sight?
heavy mist
DNC meta leggo
dull radish
even without cleaves you can still DoT both on SMN, which is a good portion of damage
glossy musk
Something I noticed that I'm not entirely sure on is that
some of the animations actually look slightly sped up
like I remember them being more smooth in savage
heavy mist
its possible
glossy musk
so there's less time to do shit
one that's obvious is water slap
that one's sped up like fuck
but some others too
unreal flax
MAN WTF. How long does that optical sight last?
glossy musk
who we all watchin pog
dull radish
for the whole transition, it does it twice
heavy mist
im just watching arthars lol
dull radish
outer -> mid -> outer -> mid
heavy mist
usually consistent enough
unreal flax
Arthars as well
glossy musk
I was watching momo but he's boring during prog, arthars is retarded so I like him
unreal flax
Rika, I love youuuu
dull radish
aww <3
dull radish
and I've been watching this guy: oryzamercury
since the first clip that I saw that had the transition was his stream and I clicked it
dull radish
and just kinda kept that up in the background
heavy mist
i just have to see who is gonna be up when they all take a break
dull radish
they're trying that image strat linked which I'm not a huge fan of, seems to be messier than it actually helps all that much
unreal flax
I have it on mute, so whenever gets the furthers is who I'm into. OH, but this dude is on the back side, so this is even better
heavy mist
it is
momo linked it on twitter
yeah the jp image strat apprently might be from a spectator?
glossy musk
Hope healers like piety lul
heavy mist
so no guarantee its perfect
dull radish
like it'll work
but it has the whole party cutting through mid
and then some back through mid
heavy mist
theres probably a better way
dull radish
I'm just thinking of the teams split up and just pointing cleaves/dash so you don't hit your other team on your side
heavy mist
its similar to how it works in 11s right?
dull radish
yeah
dull radish
functionally it's identical for the limit cut part of it
they just have to do it while dealing with the optical
cleave behind 1, dash towards 2 (2 has to face the charge otherwise they get knocked back)
cleave behind 3, dash towards 4
etc
heavy mist
interesting
glossy musk
prox
dull radish
yeah
glossy musk
but also very fucking high
heavy mist
ok
dull radish
like, it's mainly a case of
don't be right in center
be topped off with some mitigation
glossy musk
watching brute justice just show up and delete them all was hilarious
unreal flax
One AA removed the WHM from the instance lmao
dull radish
you don't have to like hypermitigate or be on an extreme edge for j-kick but since you're coming right from that transition you have to get people back up
heavy mist
plus being low mp
heavy mist
from all the healing in LL and intermission
heavy mist
max piety lets go
glossy musk
don't even move
heavy mist
healers arent healing enough. "we'll make em heal"
quick verge
this'll be a fun fight
inland ore
Indeed. I want to go in already.
quick verge
tell him to get more piety
nova socket
did
foggy latch
our sch has 3k piety
seen almost all pepsiman in 3 hours
hopefully transition tomorrow
heavy mist
gl
foggy latch
we had pepsiman 9%
nova socket
got to soft enrage or w/e
heavy mist
what is the hard enrage time anyways
heavy mist
oh okay
nova socket
yeh
heavy mist
so like twin
foggy latch
twin is 2:50ish
rose atlas
is pepsiman as bad as people say @foggy latch
rose atlas
ah
foggy latch
unless u mean the splashes to cascade
which killed us for sometime
til.we did protean baiting correctly
foggy latch
he is not bad
just easy to fuck up
though he is definitely harder than twin/garuda ultimate
unreal flax
immersive
bitter night
Anyone have a diagram for the limit cut mechanic in TEA?I heard there was one floating around that was in japanese
quick verge
rose atlas
@torn kindle youre doing tea too?
quick verge
how horrifying
desert ore
anyone ehre wanna help clear E1S got two newbies who need a clear need a tank and a healer Party is in party finder (Primal)
uncut charm
recruitment goes to FFXIV Recruitment channels
unreal flax
Wait, we're still on the transition???
unreal flax
I love knowing that
Couldn't be happier
The longer this goes uncleared, the more time I have to gear up, get through Titan and get into it myself
This is great news
steady pebble
biscuit you doing TEA?
quick verge
mhm
steady pebble
good luck, friendo
steady pebble
o.O what is that sch dps
steady pebble
stable basin
Where ultima enrage counts as your damage
so you get about +1k in act if you die to the enrage
stable basin
if it's brofist you need to spread them, if it's hi five bring them close
rose atlas
its wiping us and the party doesnt know what to do
stable basin
It always does the opposite of what you're currently doing
My group (and most/all groups I've seen) keep them close and then spread them when the hand starts glowing
rose atlas
the opposite?
stable basin
We take pepsiman directly opposite one tornado on the big open side and the hand in between two of the tornados
If they're close then they'll need to be split, if they're far then they'll need to be brought close
after the hand does hand of pain or whatever it's called you don't need to keep them apart/together
glossy musk
Yeah same
stable basin
people only just passed the transition still?
glossy musk
People are further but not streaming
stark oyster
Have people figured out what to do when pepsiman sprays his load 3 times
I saw people dying to that phase a lot so I'm curious if people found a way to do it
quick verge
mhm
stark oyster
It's the phase after people drag the adds with low life to the boss
glossy musk
Yeah don't get hit 4head
rose atlas
yeah that what my group did
stark oyster
Damn ok
rose atlas
im assuming aetheroplasm does the same as it did in a4s
stark oyster
So you still get hit once no matter what
rose atlas
where the dolls give stacks of it
stark oyster
I remember hades ex also has something where you get hit once
Then just avoid the next
glossy musk
Yes
rose atlas
yeah same idea
dull radish
I have a bit of preference towards hand of prayer for hand baiting by the way, that's what my group does
stark oyster
After that phase nothing makes sense in streams anymore
I cannot tell what is going on
lol
I see tornadoes and people dying
dull radish
there's not really much left after that until the transition
rose atlas
make sure the cones dont hit tornados
stark oyster
@rose atlas gl man to you and your team
After pepsiman, is there going to be another boss?
glossy musk
many
stark oyster
The ones where you have to lower their health and pull to the boss?
quick verge
mhm
glossy musk
and they can't hit by aoes
quick verge
whoops i accidentally dcrit an ability and nuked it from 35% or something
stark oyster
Lol I see a lot of parties screwing that part up when they're tired
rose atlas
wait
dull radish
how about 50%
quick verge
LOL
dull radish
you have to whittle the add health down
to sub 20%
and not kill it
the add has something like 126k HP
that's not a lot of leeway for high potency abilities
inland ore
It's super scary. I just gauss round it or something without a gcd sometimes.
dull radish
I had a fire cast dh crit it from like 34% to death
quick verge
there's holding dps
and then there's like
spamming 1
im just gonna remove all of my crit and dh melds tbh
dull radish
at some point I'm like, hey can someone just hit my add a little so I don't nuke it
quick verge
i can't take this
inland ore
Sometimes I just leave it at a slightly high hp for awhile and hope that someone like... accidentally hits it or something.
regal halo
You don't really have to hold your DPS
but you need to know how to rotate your targets.
regal halo
Yeah
dull radish
like just that amount would make it a lot cozier to deal with
stable basin
We told our melees to just break combo to nudge their hp down and realized we have a mnk who can't do that
regal halo
167,240 for Jagd dolls
stable basin
"help I need someone who won't nuke this from 30% to dead"
dull radish
mmm that could be about right and I'm just misremembering
I just know when it starts to approach 30% I just kinda run out of options that aren't spooky unless I wanna scathe
and even then if I dh crit and get the proc it's a pretty hefty hit
quick verge
idk i just really dislike this mechanic
regal halo
Knowing what skill has the highest potency and whats not will help
for SMN
you practically want to use R2 to adjust.
As that's your lowest GCD move.
dull radish
I like the idea of the mechanic in general
it's just kinda dumb to deal with via the HP margin they give on it for some jobs
goodness it's gonna be even extra annoying later in the expansion coming back to it with synced gear
dull radish
but for some jobs there's just not counterplay
regal halo
It's a love-or-hate mechanic.
quick verge
it teaches you to fear rng
dull radish
you're just at 30% and some jobs are like, well I have to have someone else do this, or I roll the dice and maybe everyone just dies
regal halo
the problem lies in how consequential the mechanic is
stark oyster
Just for the ultimate
dull radish
everyone better have BiS or nearly so when they step into ultimate
that's basically the expectation if you're actually serious about it
stark oyster
Hmmm ok
dull radish
yeahhh
regal halo
As i450 is the minimum ilevel to clear Titan
the ilvl25 increase from i450 is essential.
rose atlas
@regal halo you doing ultimate aswell?
glossy musk
ALEXANDER LITERALLY CAUSED OUR SMN'S COMPUTER TO LIGHT ON FIRE
GUESS WE'RE DONE FOR TONIGHT
quick verge
wait what
heavy mist
LOL
quick verge
pretty fun fight so far
rose atlas
@glossy musk did he take pics
stark oyster
@rose atlas Must have been all the lube 
loud cave
burnt field
Watching people prog TEA makes me want to start doing savages.
eager flint
My friend Aki Homma have a good GIF for Pepsiman
https://ff14.toolboxgaming.space/?id=57911282163751&preview=1
hot torrent
How far are people on TEA
silver bronze
So I gotta ask. Is there a special quest for clearing all the role quests in ShB? I only did the one for Lue-Reeq
rose atlas
title
pastel cobalt
For Hades EX, during the phase where people get ice or fire debuff, are both healers guaranteed to have different debuffs?
lyric summit
yes
pastel cobalt
Cool, thank you
finite plank
what does the tank/healer do in that phase so the dps could keep wailing on them?
stable basin
Grab the tethers
finite plank
they can grab multiple and survive?
stable basin
No you can't get multiple
finite plank
what were the solutions for it again?
lyric summit
tanks get the tethers north of their adds, healers the tethers on the south of the opposite add
dull radish
hmm, it didn't seem too tight of an enrage really
rose atlas
@foggy latch gl, i hear transistion is tough
lyric summit
there's a secret 5th protean in front of LL
nova socket
LL dislikes mt
rough swan
Can I talk about the new raid here
steady pebble
ya
rough swan
Well it's a shame about the YoHRa gear
It's not bad... it's just you can get armour that has the same stats if you save up enough Phantasmagoria or whatever they're called
steady pebble
That's...how its basically been since HW
24man gear is on par with base weekly capped tomestone gear
rough swan
Something else is kinda bothering me aswell
So...I think at one point they said that the crossover is canon to Nier Automata
Not sure if they were joking or not
Say there isn't anymore content after copied factory right?
torn kindle
I don’t think canon-ness was ever mentioned for the Yorha raid
rough swan
It's just ||after we head back in we find 9S unconscious...and we keep looking after him a secret||
torn kindle
Also the Yorha story will be all 3 24-man duties, not just the copied factory
Though the other two may make more callbacks to the original Nier
Especially with the what is most likely White Chlorination stuff in the last part of it
steady pebble
not going to have the full story until 5.5
rough swan
I haven't stumbled upon any other YoHRa content yet
torn kindle
It’s all self-contained in this sidequest series
steady pebble
the only other related thing is the side quest that's after you complete the main raid
rough swan
I don't think they even added more to the MQS
steady pebble
I mean, for the most part
raids and alliance raids are really part of the msq
coil/alex/omega don't have the much impact on the msq, outside of a few references
rough swan
I don't feel like doing Savage content
rough swan
But I want to continue the Eden story
steady pebble
eden story ends after your completion of the 4th normal mode
we won't be getting more eden story until 5.2
rough swan
Yeah I know after Titan
Honestly blinding indigo is kinda what enter the maelstrom should've been in the beginning
glossy musk
Regarding Hades @finite plank You can have the tanks grab both tethers and invuln since you don't really need to use it anywhere else and it makes life easier
finite plank
didn't expect another reply, good to know
untold oyster
it feels great to have a big brain moment in prog
the proteans after jagd had me confused for a sec
uncut charm
trying to clean up and figure out P3 transition
ocean forge
Nice
stable basin
People stalled out so hard on limit cut
foggy latch
wiping to enrage
6 wipes at 0.3%
idk if we need 2 melee or 2nd caster
but im.pretty sure the problem.isnt with us
stable basin
Bepisman enrage?
foggy latch
yes
stable basin
oof
foggy latch
problem.isnt the jobs
i mean
our sch has hades wep
idk how that would help if he got titan
but yeah
stable basin
every bit helps
Also the vit would help him not get the soul J-kicked right out of his body
foggy latch
i might consider going brd too
double mobs double procs and double dots
should ease it abit
stable basin
Everyone should be exploiting their 2-target rotato
drk should be using unleash combo and flood, brd/drg double dot, etc
foggy latch
like our war didnt use decimate or cyclone chaos
or whatever its called
when both stacked
i forgot flamethrower too myself
auto crossbow
shit
now im tracing my mistakes and not in raid
ugh
heavy mist
are u lbing @foggy latch
foggy latch
he finish cascade 1st
stable basin
use lb while people learn how to press buttons
foggy latch
before lb hit him
stable basin
People having a bad time at limit cut cause they use bad strats imo
I'll have all of tomorrow to potentially eat my words
heavy mist
lol
stable basin
But it seems like it's walling people out of proportion to how complicated it is
My static spent 30 minutes arguing about it today...
heavy mist
lol
stable basin
Just have 2 groups chase the explosion and have one pair set tight when the other pair gets theirs
heavy mist
let us know how it goes for your group at least if u do a diferent strat lol
foggy latch
next raid at sunday
ocean forge
Just for my own knowledge, can anyone do a quick run down on the mechanics for phase 2?
Even the transition is baffling for me
Afaict, there are 2 sets of markers
stable basin
Transition I'm good on
ocean forge
One of them seems to mark a cone aoe
heavy mist
stable basin
BJ+CC gangbang I'm pretty vague
ocean forge
Thanks a lot, Rider
stable basin
oh hey it's banjo cat's 1256 writeup
ocean forge
From observations, the only part in p1 that I can't work out is the tornado water cones
Ahhh
I see
Damn that's nasty
So many baiting happening
stable basin
250k chastening heat
pog
tornado proteans work similar to boss proteans
baited dodgeable followed by targeted on closest
ocean forge
Very tight positioning leeway
Just a tad too close and cone would be aimed down range at the tank
rose atlas
@foggy latch your sch def needs a e4s weapon
the fight is made assuming all is at 470
and every little bit helps, really
bright plinth
So during dolls spawn in alexander. Do they consistently do two aoes around them or can you interrupt the first? We been getting wrecked by the first one but i see arthas stream and they attack it right away, seemingly cancelling the first doll aoes?
rose atlas
they stand around for a few seconds before exploding iirc
have your dps pick them up and spread them
bright plinth
The thing is visibly for us they exploded twice, but in arthas stream they exploded once
The only diff is we waited for first explosion before attacking it
lyric summit
melees can be in the 1st explosion
bright plinth
So im wondering if hitting them right away interrupts that with triggering the bind tether
lyric summit
they overlap so if you stand too close you'll get 2 stacks
rose atlas
1st explosion wouldnt kill you anyways
lyric summit
max melee directly on the corner outside your add
rose atlas
getting hit by 2 or more at once will kill you iirc
bright plinth
So they just always aoe twice?
rose atlas
each aoe applies a stack which will kill you at 4 stacks
bright plinth
Welp im blind idk lol i watched arthas do it a dozen times and could only catch one aoe
rose atlas
vis what is that pfp
lyric summit
1 on spawn, again usually when bubbles spawn i think? 3rd after bubbles reach target
rose atlas
lyric summit
it's rave bananas
rose atlas
cease
bright plinth
So any WIP textguide floating around one can check to get started with alexander? I know its usually hush before world firsts start pouring but surely theres something somewhere
bright plinth
Oh dope will check it out thanks
vale dagger
Go to Western Thanalan and head all the way west to the town, and speak with a old man
Should be a blue bubble over them
rough swan
Silver Bazaar?
lyric summit
vesper bay
nimble glen
Hi
eager flint
Phase 2 GIF by Aki Homma. Brute Justice and Cruise Chaser
https://ff14.toolboxgaming.space/?id=25324043473751&preview=1
lyric summit
I made one too :( https://ff14.toolboxgaming.space/?id=00426986573751&preview=1
quick verge
ok but why's the mnk in fuck off land for chakram baits
gritty vortex
lyric summit
for what
you can write a trigger for any cast you see ingame like 3 seconds after you see it
dull radish
I've seen them for limit cut number which is kinda silly but it's all I've specifically seen
quick tartan
im not sure if this belongs here but i have to try, whats the name of the the weapon's refrain theme final phase?
stable basin
There's singing in it too
rapid sapphire
yes there are some triggers for pepsiman and cruise chaser, no they aren't going to let you casually walk in and clear (other 2 phases aren't timelined yet)
since protean wave acts differently from norm alex or o11s flamethrower
stable basin
That one that shoots directly forward is an absolute bitch
unreal flax
I was watching Tot earlier and they have triggers for the nisis during Chase Justice now, apparently. I heard his ACT calling out which color to grab after his current color resolves
untold oyster
yoo
does throttle really go on every single person
or is there a way to avoid it
quick verge
goes on everyone
untold oyster
jesus
quick verge
esuna simulator 2020
stable basin
I thought it was only 6 people
dull radish
it's only 6 people
untold oyster
damn
dull radish
hope you like the sound of esuna spam
I kinda do but then I also just feel bad for the healers having to do it
quick verge
something something healers heal
half pivot
if only selene is still the old selene
sage totem
Please send help. Pepsi is bulli.
lusty oak
throttle is dot or doom type?
sage totem
doom
lusty oak
sad
sage totem
Uh
I mean I've "seen" water explode in brute justice
But it was basically over at j-kick
sage totem
We're doing okish at it. Still a bit sloppy.
sage totem
We finally did it clean holy crap
stable basin
We're still cleaning Pepsiman/working on transition
The movement I have to do at the end is... quite something
stark oyster
https://clips.twitch.tv/SmallSingleMochaEagleEye what the fuck
vale dagger
Yeah you all enjoy try to clear Ultimate while I sit back and watch with popcorn xD
stark oyster
It's pretty exciting to watch
vale dagger
It is but won't ever try it myself lol
stark oyster
Same, too old for this shit
vale dagger
Lmao nah we aren't there yet, we are still Riggs for now...
And if you don't know what I mean, then I do feel old lol
lyric summit
thought it was something new 
some one in the balance made a diagram for a possible solution
by selfinsert#6154
stable basin
oh dear
uncut charm
looks as cancer as suppression
lyric summit
nahh 1st one is easy
glossy musk
It's simple just do all the mechanics I mean c'mon 4head
lyric summit
it's just dragging bubbles to assigned spots, non-tether go on intercardinals, bait flamethrower, kill heart, dodge sacrament and solve the tethers
heavy mist
music just might get u too hype
lyric summit
I'll link my wip diagram i started on toolbox when I'm on work pc in 30 mins, the mobile site is trash 
still gotta add the inception
but it's still gonna be easy, far tethers preposition so they know where they're going, stack left, aggravateds right, you win
icy spruce
Did it got cleared already. Sry to bad internet to check it myself.
stable basin
streamers still ~halfway chronologically
Which is much less than half in prog time
world racers probably not terribly far ahead
icy spruce
Ok, thanks for the information.
glossy musk
From the people I've talked to, most world prog groups who aren't streaming aren't too far ahead no
and god only knows what happens with the final form, if it's just a DPS race or if it's mechanics-r-us
lyric summit
there's too many animations on the ||assembled Alexander|| model for it to be a golden
(datamined)
torn kindle
||so maybe like a ghost or afterimage/add that does mechanics?||
stable basin
Final phase is golden bahamut except instead of morn afah or ahk morn it's limit cut and instead of exaflares it's limit cut
heavy mist
probably a short attacking him phase since most of the time u arent hitting him similar to bahamut prime
ocean forge
@lyric summit is that abstract art? /s
How do people work these out? And how do the dev made sure players can work these out in their own?
stable basin
Alex prime has less hp than Bahamut 🤔
torn kindle
Gotta remember that normal Bahamut really only had ~40% of his HP, and you got a damage buff for golden bahamut
burnt field
I'm just watching a tl;dr mechanics video on E4S and I'm suddenly not so sure I want to get into savages 🤔
stable basin
As far as how mechanics get worked out, a lot of prior experience and spitballing
People sit down and say ok, how does this mechanic target, what's its range, when does it go off, can it be baited to leave room for other mechanics
Right now people are stuck on one of Alex Prime's mechanics and nobody who's streaming has cracked the code yet
One Ace has paused to talk for 10-20 minutes a few times
ocean forge
I assume the players quickly hover over their debuffs and let the tooltip get captured by their recording?
stable basin
That's part of it yeah
First stream I saw get to final judgement the raid leader was like everyone mouse over your debuffs and screenshot right now
stable basin
We know there are one or two more stages
lusty oak
Faust must make a return
ocean forge
So wait... Pepsi - Two teamed - Alex Prime - 1/2 more!?
stable basin
The leading streamers are only about 8 minutes in now, which is probably just short of halfway
torn kindle
19*
ocean forge
Oh wow
torn kindle
First Ucob clear was 19 minutes long
stable basin
uwu is 15-16:30 and ucob is 16:30-19
ocean forge
I have remembered them wrong
torn kindle
I misread uwu as ucob at first
stable basin
actually if I say ucob is 16:30 minimum I may as well say uwu is 14:30, but those are blazing fast times
ocean forge
OK, damn.... 8 minutes in huh
stable basin
an "average" clear is like 15 something for uwu and almost 18 for ucob
ocean forge
So assuming there is only 1 unknown phase, players would need to execute 8 minutes perfectly before they get to peek the phase
At least 8 minutes
stable basin
It's probably about 3 minutes for final phase
so 5-6 more minutes of prog, and there's likely a lengthy intermission of some sort in there
but it's all just guessing right now
we're most likely not near halfway in prog time though
ocean forge
I wonder if we will get a Ultimate Yiazmat fight that doesn't have complex mechanics....
Only hard part is to burn down 50 mil HP
Kidding
stable basin
the last 5 minutes of ucob is transition+victory lap but my group's halfway prog point was still like 12 minutes into the fight
ocean forge
(I won't even watch that)
stable basin
cause progging each new mechanic means doing every single preceding mechanic correctly, and just longer pulls in general
ocean forge
But even the victory lap in UCOB still have some mechanics to wipe right?
stable basin
yeah
uwu/ucob both have "victory lap" phases
The mechanics are relatively easy, but a single slipup by anyone is likely a wipe to enrage
ocean forge
Iirc, you need some serious heavy defensive cooldown for one of Golden Bahamut's Akh Morn variations to barely survive
stable basin
And they also have party mitigation checks
Yeah, Morn Afah (Death Eternal in Dravanian) is a party soak that hits around half a million total damage when hp bars are 40k max for a dps
you need 3 sources of 10% mitigation plus a shield to survive
His tankbuster akh morn also hits extremely hard (140k then 70k ticks) and adds a hit each time (3-4-5-6)
ocean forge
So.. Invuln that?
stable basin
He does 4 of them and the phase is only 3 minutes so you have to share 2 of them
The 6-hit akh morn is still like 250k raw on eahc tank vs <60k hp bars so you need to kitchen sink and spam gcd heals
And he also autos absurdly hard
Can literally 2shot an i340 tank with 2 max roll crits
But usually survive 4 non-crits if you have any sort of mitigation going
stable basin
And then there are exaflares, which are similar to what you see in hades/o10s
If a non-tank gets hit they die, if a tank gets hit they'll live with about 6 hp and get a 50% damage down
ocean forge
We no longer have any defensive skills to prevent crits right?
stable basin
Also there's phoenix blessing buff that doubles your damage for golden bahamut, so anyone except a healer dying usually means you hit enrage because you literally lose like 6-7k rdps from the downtime+weakness+loss of buff
idk what you'd do for min ilvl shin ex tbh, but I don't think a lot of people are doing that
ocean forge
Going back to TEA, have the world first prog groups share anything on their progress?
stable basin
O3S also has a guaranteed crit buster that you'd have to invuln or kitchen sink
We've just got hearsay to go on
lyric summit
world prog groups don't share so as not to help the other groups
i remember even the first ingame pics of golden bahamut were full of black rectangles censoring marker placements etc
ocean forge
I remember seeing a very small picture of Phoenix for ucob prog
Cropped from the transition
stable basin
I saw a clip of the transition that supposedly caused the static to break up over the leak
Even though it cut off before golden was even targetable
lyric summit
i remember the ucob megathread had someone constantly asking for bahamut's feet pics, people started asking why that's a meme but it turned out to be just one guy every time it was asked 
stable basin
I like the ucob clear reddit thread that's 50% "wtf dark knight???"
One comment thread about how maybe they took it because the golden buster hits insanely hard (cue video of first morn afah targeting a tank and them trying to 2-person share it)
One "ultimate titan would be cool but idk what they'd do other than 5-way invisible landslides"
torn kindle
"Why did you bring DRK for World First"
"I like DRK"
quiet goblet
I think someone from a world prog group posted a YouTube video of their first limit cut strat
So we know they’re at least past that 😀
nova socket
people were there like 5h after release
lyric summit
they're far enough that they decided "people knowing our braindead limit cut strat won't pe a threat to our world prog" 
nova socket
also rin isnt doing world prog, p sure
lyric summit
yeah clearly playing the new and real ff17
ocean forge
One "ultimate titan would be cool but idk what they'd do other than 5-way invisible landslides"
So, wait... Someone called it as a joke?
foggy latch
vale dagger
I truly hope this lasts two weeks
lyric summit
someone on balance said there's rumors of people getting a 13% p5 enrage 
but i feel like if that was real and a couple hours ago it would be down by now
unless there's more phases
quick verge
have they considered doing more damage
heavy mist
no obviously
quiet goblet
yeah i heard that rumor almost an entire day ago
brittle turtle
torn kindle
What to heck
heavy mist
death
vale dagger
Wow!!! Seeing that makes me happy!
quick verge
looks like the end of the phase
rapid sapphire
there was one thing I don't get (from datamining) that i don't recall hearing yet in prog streams: that one music track (not the freeze frame that's in the alex prime)
lyric summit
well duh, it's not even close to the final form
there's a lot of animations datamined exclusive to the actual final form
aka ||alexander assembled, with bruite justice for legs, prime for body/hands and cruise chaser for head/neck||
sage totem
At the rare streamers are going we’ll likely see world prog groups clear by the weekend.
unreal flax
I'm unduly irritated that there's no appearance from the Brobots so far. I demand compensation for my undeserved outrage
quick verge
who are the brobots
unreal flax
Brawler, Blaster, Vortexer, and Swindler
torn kindle
The bosses of A6 and the limbs of Brute Justice
quick verge
that's called brute justice smile
torn kindle
Reee
unreal flax
Yes yes but
I like them, not just BJ
https://youtu.be/OijEIZNA3Hc?t=134 my boyssss
Though, I suppose it wouldn't really work, thanks to being a set circle arena. Where would Swindler swindle people?
unreal flax
Oh, I love BJ, I just like them more lol
steady pebble
ahh
unreal flax
They have personality aside from their theme, but because BJ appears mid fight, he doesn't get an intro
They're robot ninjas lol
I love it
ocean forge
The clip Harrason posted... Is that a double enrage?
dull radish
cruise chaser is casting an enrage eternal darkness and has to be killed first. Brute justice is doing the classic j-wave soft enrage from a8s with ramping raidwide damage
torn kindle
Hard to say, maybe it’s like a super Hand of Pain where you need Brute Justice, Cruise Chaser, and Alexander Prime to all be at the same/similar HP?
dull radish
you can burn down cruise chaser in time, there's a clip of that happening
torn kindle
:0
I wonder what Alexander was casting
Or trying to cast
Since the clip from above is in JP
Probably a hard enrage thing like Cruise Chaser if you don’t kill both of them fast enough
dull radish
divine judgement most likely
unreal flax
Kill CC > Kill BJ > Tank LB3?
torn kindle
Maybe? Depends on if CC and BJ give a lot of LB meter
@dull radish do you remember if that clip with the killed CC gave a lot of LB meter
lyric summit
just don't lb before
torn kindle
Ah
quick verge
or wipe presumably
glossy musk
Another way to do limit cut
Might be easier for some
Just run in two groups instead of in and out
quick verge
cringe meme
dull radish
yeah that's the strat folks refer to as "haru" strat @glossy musk
that's the one that I really tend to prefer since I don't like all that extra movement of people running in and out
glossy musk
Yeah. Less vectors for error
ocean forge
Question: anyone knows why Arthar is running TEA prog with GNB and DRK? I remember him using GNB on day 1, then yesterday or the day before he is on DRK, now the latest prog clip shows him with GNB
rapid sapphire
probably more support against magic aoes (actually not sure since all the shake/light/missionary are same cooldown and same duration)
warrior might be a little better with shake it but for now easier to focus on just average dps
stable basin
I see there's been some prog since I last checked in
lyric summit
just plays what he wants to play
quick verge
imagine having to learn how to do the fight on 2 jobs
stable basin
drk/gnb isn't too bad of a switch
I swapped onto gnb in clear4friend uwu cause people were meming and just used the same cd map
glossy musk
Most people seem to prefer either PLD/GNB or PLD/DRK for the fight. Both have strong magic mitigation and DRK specifically has LD which lasts longer than any other invuln due to it not taking effect until you actually take a killing blow
meaning you get 10s vs about 7s with holmgang
Personally I prefer PLD/DRK but I know Fold prefers PLD/GNB
quick verge
also helps that tbn is stupidly strong
haha yes, i too enjoy randomly not popping my tbn because it shields for 200% of my hp
glossy musk
TBN is really good and it's almost a guarantee it will break due to the auto damage
vale dagger
Any clips of stuff after Alexander Prime?
rapid sapphire
so far the triple boss semi-hard enrage is the prog barrier. if there's an assembled alexander phase to finish then that's probably where the mystery music is used in
quick verge
wormhole is the prog barrier
if people can get past it cleanly
then the following phase should go down quickly
glossy musk
Wormhole's been over
But they absolutely need to have like LB3 for the triple DPS check
cause that shit hurt
well and no rez sickness, so I get what you mean by cleanly
j-wave doing upwards of 60k a tick lmfao
quick verge
tanks taking 50k from j-wave
it appears that healers do not get to press their dps buttons
stark oyster
Can someone explain to me whbat the fuck is that true heart thing that flies through the arena?
I saw it and was like wtf
stable basin
If it reaches Alex then he will be emboldened by his love of cats and wipe you
steady pebble
the cat's in a7 right?
dull radish
yeah, shanoa shows up in A7, turns into the true heart
steady pebble
god, getting people to focus on heart =_=
dull radish
in A7 you had to stun/slow it as you dpsed it down before it reached the boss, pulling the boss away to help with that
in ultimate you have to use the lapis orb puddles to heavy it to give yourself enough time to kill it before it reaches the boss
steady pebble
hows your prog been, rika?
dull radish
bit slower than I would have liked. But had some technical problems 2nd raid day, today got cancelled because one of my static members had to let one of their dogs down so we didn't really wanna push things
steady pebble
😦
dull radish
mmhmm, but it is what it is. Hoping to get in there fresh next raid day and make some good progress getting the transition down smoothly into P2 and getting that phase sorted out
steady pebble
i wish you luck with prog when y'all get back to it
dull radish
thankya
stark oyster
@stable basin Wait are you trolling me or is this for real
foggy latch
its real mechanic
stable basin
Would I lie about cats
foggy latch
in A7S
lusty oak
Did they return alex mechanic where after killing sm1 boss hits harder?
steady pebble
Poor cats
rapid sapphire
unreal flax
I'm suuuuper glad that Shanoa's back. I hated Quickthinx because uptime is king, but that mechanic is my favorite lore thing (probably) lol
stable basin
He has spoken
vale dagger
Did someone clear already or was some in chat trolling?
vale dagger
This is messed up! I wanted to last longer than that!
tender niche
people get good
torn kindle
Only UCOB lasted more than a week
tender niche
UCOB lasted a while because it was new
torn kindle
UWU was nearly 5 days IIRC
tender niche
people just get better, and bashing at it for 14+ hours also makes you know it better
vale dagger
Yeah I just didnt think it be this fast lol
Wait!
Is that
A BLM?
Ohhhhh yesssss
stable basin
Interesting how they're all arrayed in around the arena like that
stable basin
Clees posted transition on twitter
thorn bear
its short 2 hours from being 5 full days
vale dagger
Oh trust me it will take others a month probably
Hope SEs how fast this one took to clear and makes the next Ultimate harder
vale dagger
I want the next one "Super" hard lol
thorn bear
if uwu didn't have awakening people would've cleared uwu in like 3 days
or less
this is a large think
stable basin
This one is super hard
thorn bear
do you even do ultimate?
torn kindle
👀
quick verge
I guess people have gotten really good at this game
and won't underestimate ultimates
quick verge
hehe xd
ocean forge
That transition is the most amazing thing yet
To think we have at least one more ultimate in 2020
lusty oak
2 more. They were sorry for only 2 ultimates in SB.
lusty oak
Warring Triad.
quick verge
something fun