now you need to calculate tilt from 6 angles
#endgame-lounge
ocean forge
lusty oak
Tbh they prob could do Thordan Ultimate if they added Nidhogg in there
And maybe lahabread
quaint marten
oh they could skip straight to four lords ultimate?
foggy latch
bring warring triad with kefka
quaint marten
ohright, genbu doesnt really have a trial
stable basin
4 lords ultimate where it's just their transitions and then it ends
lusty oak
Omega Weapon. You fight stagbeetle daddy, then M&F, then middy 3.0 and then Final Omega x Middy gattai
lusty oak
And everything is exaflares
foggy latch
omega feels like
middy will help you there
at some point
also for niddy
maybe maybe we will see Blue Red Eyes 2 headed White Black Dragon
mint falcon
They probably could do 4 lords ultimate. They have the models of three of the four lords from each of the trials. They can use Genbu from either the dungeon boss or the instance fight with Tataru. They also created a model for Kirin so they can probably use that after a bit of touching up from a semi-generic model for the final phase.
quaint marten
4 lords ultimate.
Final phase transition is the samurai guy that suzaku has the hots for.
mint falcon
I'm thinking of the samurai guy to take a similar role as phoenix in UCoB
lyric summit
suzaku ultimate was already teased on suzaku ex release day, when the 4 lanterns in a row had the bird skip some and not explode the platforms 
cause of server congestion
heavy mist
please no dont remind me
nova socket
@foggy latch You had problems with dps players not having hand/boss consistant %?
I swear we wipe more to hand of pain killing us cus difference than actual mechanics
lyric summit
we have that issue sometime but it's like 1 in 20 hands of pain
just put ranged on hand when they're not in range to aoe properly
dull radish
I don't think we ever really had that issue haha
but I usually just kinda see when one's a decent bit higher and swap over--mainly just end up swapping from hand to boss exclusively after dolls
foggy latch
@nova socket we had both same hp
nova socket
idk is it just dps players wanting to hit boss or what but is kinda meme when hand of pain kills you randomly e.e
foggy latch
we gonna try make difference 4%
so we have spare % for boss
we get them both same hp til last hands of pain
which make us not meet dps check
also will try going brd
double dots + procs will make shit easier to do
lyric summit
dnc is comfy
foggy latch
we already have dnc
foggy latch
yes
while mch made me have easier time on doll
but i guess i will bite that bullet as brd
im 1st feed and brd has low personal dps atm
at least we are somewhat consistent on living liquid
glossy musk
People already on discord and forums going “Wow this was so easy”
thorn bear
people who don't do ultimate or are hardstuck in living liquid be like
glossy musk
Yep
OF doesn’t even have a post about TEA. Too busy complaining about big pulls lmao
merry wadi
hardest part is getting time to prog, Since the fights themselves are long slogs, Learning the mechanics is also a big challenge. Once you have your first clear though, it becomes a matter of cleaning up and duplicating the process if you wanna go for more weapons.
like an hour or 2 a day to prog ultimate will probably take a person of average skill level probably 2 months?
1 month?
this is just me giving a hypothetical now
Its going to be a wall, but there is no wall that is unbreakable
heavy mist
people usually give an estimate of 100 hours
assuming u have a guide
variance comes into if your weakest link can learn the fight
lyric summit
i think you're overestimating the "average skill level" 
heavy mist
indeed for ultimate 🙂
lyric summit
100h for "an average good raider"
if it was an average player with all the things that shall not be named happening in DF and PF up to even savage.. i doubt an average player would even be able to unlock ultimate 
quick verge
if you're doing ultimate with a guide then it shouldn't take 100 hours
unless people are missing like 90% of their brains
lyric summit
depends on the mechanics really
quick verge
do the mechanic :)
torn kindle
Wow so simple I am world first raider now
quick verge
yeah dude
glossy musk
The mechanics can be pretty hard particularly for the healers since you’re still getting smashed during them. That’s usually where it goes bad
heavy mist
who knows
glossy musk
Very far
that's why some clowns are claiming they cheated even though they have it all filmed omegalul
ocean forge
Something that might help is how a botched run is handled
Those seconds and minutes saved by wiping quick adds up
stable basin
I just want to get past limit cut
People keep trying to ask which explosion each individual pair gets cut in
like dude just run in a circle
and stop moving when you see the robot
dull radish
which strat are you folks doing?
stable basin
1256
dull radish
yeah folks have a tendency to just overthink and overcomplicate things
stable basin
Someone had a screaming ragefit over calling it Haru strat when Haru's static does N/E priority and we were doing N/W priority
dull radish
why would it matter what you call it haha
stable basin
Like ??? it's exactly the same thing, we just had 1256 going W instead of E if they're directly W or E
I wish I knew
dull radish
I dunno people are dumb. It's a big pet peeve of mine, overcomplicating and overexplaining things and trying to make things more diffcult than they are, especially eating up raid tiem to do so
just do the thing and adjust from there if there's issues
there doesn't have to be more to it than that
uncut charm
yeah
I really think haru strat is brainded
its just swapping inner/outer circle with the other pair on your side when you are done and mario kart
dull radish
it's not even really mario kart
mario kart to me mainly just means ignore mechanics go around in a circle together and hope the mechanic resolves itself
but yeah
I dunno people running to/through mid and everything else
just do limit cut and move around with the optical
np
stable basin
Literally just
Walk forward whenever you see an explosion
Even number is 3/4 pie slice back and the pair that's not up is on the outside
Stop moving when robot
Then swap places
gg
molten coral
that's why some clowns are claiming they cheated even though they have it all filmed omegalul
I'm reading about that now, apparently some people are claiming world first used server emulation to skip to practice phases specifically until they got everything down
dull radish
(which isn't possible)
molten coral
yep, sounds like a load of bs
quick verge
i love clees
glossy musk
Twitter
lyric summit
world 2nd on strim incoming
quick verge
wait w
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by the world first group 
kio said on balance that wormhole is harder to execute than fate alpha
wonder how fast that clear sheet is gonna fill up after it's solved
quick verge
I will actually die irl if they reclear before another team clears
glossy musk
I think they will
They were very far ahead
That being said people are getting there so maybe
nova socket
thats twice more than us :)
glossy musk
People actually posting death threats at Sfia. GCBTW
nova socket
what did he ever do to them 😔
glossy musk
Got a world first lol
We got similar shit on our t5 kill but that was mostly 4chan mad that NA beat something when they’re all jerking it to the JP
steady pebble
o.O
uncut charm
maybe he didnt get his amazon cards
deft portal
Well, that's an easy way to get a knock on the door from [insert national police agency of choice here]
nova socket
It's very hard to find out people like this if they're not completely blindly dumb
polar iron
thats 2 targets for u
rose atlas
19k pdps
polar iron
im literally slamming my face on my kb
rose atlas
damn
polar iron
but brd is good yeah
rose atlas
im amazed yall didnt kill pepsiman yet
rose atlas
ah you did
polar iron
rose atlas
limit nut
polar iron
if we wipe its because of adds either dying or being fed with too much hp
nova socket
is your monk low or are ranged actually that dumb?
polar iron
thats the bane of LL
nova socket
idk dps numbers I just look at mine lul
polar iron
yeah i dont know how much he could be doing but brd and dnc benefit a lot more from 2 targets i think
and me
i could be higher too but you know, safety hat ruin 2s with adds 
dull radish
yeah SMN is pretty ridiculous there
polar iron
it is, im by no means a good smn player since ive been going as blm for 95% of the time ive played and only recently picked it up and still trying to learn as fast as i can
rose atlas
was about to ask
polar iron
and i can still pull those numbers
polar iron
yeah i think elevation said he is doing 20-21k there
rose atlas
im a horrible war main, going to hold on tea until i have time
polar iron
rika going as blm?
dull radish
yeah
polar iron
nice keep the F4s going i turned my back
to the BLM order
though the raises so far have been useless lol 1 death = wipe
polar iron
yeah LL enrage is like 2:25 so you get to do a lot
rose atlas
i honestly dont like the feel of a blm in the party, for some reason
nova socket
also like idk why but our bard liked killing his add
I swear he killed it like 8 times or some shit
rose atlas
cough
nova socket
idk
nova socket
think he said smth about apex arrow or something
foggy latch
yes
polar iron
but i think were all going pretty safe still
and doesnt really matter as long as LL gets rekt
nova socket
we're same, our numbers outside of tanks are very low
me and my co-tank are full fucking greeding
lmao
polar iron
im gonna try pushing for 20k+ now 
nova socket
idk after you knew what to do on LL it's very simple on tank
so basically most of yesterday I was just optimizing my dps
foggy latch
tbh we got transition way faster than i expected
i didnt see us see nisi today
tbh
polar iron
yeah it was pretty fast
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nova socket
we had 3 days this week where someone couldn't come
and on tuesday we didn't do much at all
nova socket
first we were supposed to do 5h/5d/week but then people said that no reason to
foggy latch
i rather take my time
nova socket
they dont wanna get burned out, but I wanna keep playing :v
nova socket
I still have ucob and uwu to do :)
foggy latch
same except uwu
nova socket
And the older the content gets, the lower chance I can do both of them goes
nova socket
I just wanna do the content 😔
quick verge
this is the hidden phase 5
lyric summit
blame clees 
night cosmos
Hi. Anyone know how to handle living hand? We are wiping for its first aoe
liquid hand*
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||If he's close, he does a fist and you have to seperate it from the boss, if he's far he shows his palm and you have to pull it next to the boss || @night cosmos
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night cosmos
thanks again 🙂
crystal mango
speaking about throttle, wonder if Warden's Paean can cleanse it, anyone tested?
stable basin
heavy mist
sfia only posted it cause stal got it
uncut charm
? I don't see the link
What I meant was Arthas' group could have figured it out way earlier if he didn't give up trying
that clip was 4hrs+ ago
Stal's clip was 42mins ago (sfia's clip was over an hour ago btw)
stable basin
Solution to a puzzle people were just getting around to the existence of
There's a P4 mech where there's a big chungus castbar then everything explodes and you wipe
And this should let people see their debuffs
foggy latch
yeah the enegma codex
u see your debuffs with it
there is also the heart
that tell you from where inception sacrament coming
heavy mist
this was posted in the balance disocrd at 11:11 pst
SFia was at 11:17 pst
fate cali is like 22 seconds 😦
lyric summit
also there's copies of each player
torn kindle
holy fuck that looks so awesome
ocean forge
Hardest victory run yet
quick verge
not a victory lap
visual geyser
Why was there conspiracy theories for the world race
lyric summit
cause some jealous dumdums spread rumors
quick verge
I can't believe clees used TEA_Final.exe to cheat and get world first
quick verge
Cruel Chaser
lyric summit
glossy musk
Cruise Justice
foggy latch
we did it right twice
yesterday
now we did it only once right
sheesh
idk what happened between today and yesterday
nova socket
how do you get logs that show only LL?
or are these just wipes on rp phase
@foggy latch
dull radish
you can filter by phase on fflogs
lyric summit
they are wipes though 
nova socket
this was our latest pull with LL kill
the dps check isnt even that hard I think he barely started enrage cast if at all
lyric summit
do you ST the boss after protean 2?
it makes it pretty comfy on healing but also the last hand of pain becomes the new enrage
leave the hand at like 15% and go fully on boss
nova socket
ST?
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single target
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extremely good for healers but pretty tight most of the times
no embolus, no splashes
dull radish
I dunno that I really see all that much value in doing that
it's a bit annoying to heal at the end but it's not too difficult usually
and then you're just pushing a tight enrage on yourself where there's normally a very lenient enrage
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saves mp 
quick verge
speedrun strats when nobody has cleared
gonna be a weirdchamp from me
or uh
1 group has cleared
lyric summit
thought everyone's doing that lol
dull radish
you have a good bit of downtime after LL
I dunno MP doesn't seem too distressing there either
quick verge
just meld more piety smile
dull radish
unless the group is like consistent even if it's not a really good run, to kill before that tighter pseudo-enrage, it just seems like a silly thing to do, to me
quick verge
yup
uncut charm
holy shit more than 12 hrs past since the heart mechanic is revealed, still no world 2nd monkaS
lyric summit
i'm not waking up
lyric summit
don't have one
thorn bear
I would be really surprised if no one cleared it before the end of the day
quick verge
id be more surprised if entropy doesn't get 2nd or 3rd
ocean forge
TpS release a vid!?
stable basin
Arthars' group tried it a few hours earlier but messed up the execution and thought they were barking up the wrong tree
ocean forge
Or a clip?
stable basin
Just of the first time they got the true heart
ocean forge
Discord is weird, sometimes the thumbnail don't show
Question: how did the crystals spawn?
uncut charm
not too sure whether it is stal because the stal clip was later than the time stamp of TpS's clip
but sfia did said that he saw people on stream found it out
thus he released it
stable basin
The crystals drop on the players that don't have tethers
It actually seems a bit finnicky because the crystals will explode if they're too close to each other and I saw a looot of wipes last night from groups trying to do it
stable basin
Either three or all four
ocean forge
I assume that players didn't worked it out in the beginning because the crystal exploding on close proximity with each other prompt them to space them as far out as possible
uncut charm
each explosion also deals damage
stable basin
but he breaks the closest crystal
uncut charm
you might space the crystals right but your healer's didnt heal right
and you just wipe before golden heart forms
stable basin
so you need the crystals spread out to tell where he is (he does sacrament as he appears) unless you know that the heart gives him away
quite clever how they hid it
especially given how you need to chain the puddles to slow the heart down so you can kill it in the strat people were using
but only 3 puddles fit and if they overlap they destroy each other
so there was an oddly simple mechanic with the wrong number of pieces given out
dull radish
yeah the big bamboozle was simply the name of the mechanic itself and the ties to A12S really
since you would place the judgement crystals to be able to tell where the boss spawns around the edge--which works for this phase too
and then you'd do inception and resolve tethers etc, like at the end of this trio
but instead they went with the good ole lore thing of, hey give shanoa crystals to get the enigma codex
and then conveniently she just heads towards the boss to show where he appeared at
ocean forge
so there was an oddly simple mechanic with the wrong number of pieces given out
This is devilishly smart
"they only need 3 to do this"
"then why you specified in the doc to have 4 of them spawn"
"I think it will be hilarious"
"that's messed up"
"I know, that's why it is hilarious"
glossy musk
LOL speaking of that
the gif that most people used for Hello World
put the C marker one ring ahead of where it should be
so tons of groups were wiping to that
being like ???
also I love that video, hearing Sindalf in the background
"that's retarded!"
buuuuut it's lore appropriate lol
Yoshida like "this'll get those cutscene skipping fuckers"
foggy latch
@nova socket it was 0.1% wipe
not enrage but someone technically forgot that a ball coming his way
torn kindle
not manipulating time and space to save Haurchefant
glossy musk
nova socket
Our LL strat doesn't look the same to anyone elses really, wonder what kind of memes we find for p2
glossy musk
What are you doing that's so different?
nova socket
yeh kinda
stable basin
people like oh in MY group we start her north then pull her east
glossy musk
We always do non-pug strats which freaks out pugs if we ever need someone
"where do you go for this"
"we just wing it"
nova socket
we changed how we do protean like 4 times or something
nova socket
:^)
glossy musk
and pugs have an aneurysm
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"I know where the bard will be so we don't need dedicated location"
glossy musk
my favorite is when people go
stable basin
One of my uwu groups we never actually talked about who blocks which sister
nova socket
think we tried to do e4s with markers n shit
the markers confused our melees than helped
glossy musk
lmao
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and our sam died like 3x
glossy musk
I usually put one marker
to the north
just so people know
"this is north"
and you can adjust for anything without being turned around
nova socket
Uni internet dies 10 mins into class cool
stable basin
wanna see the shady af movement I do at the end of LL https://gfycat.com/tightdaringcockatoo
stable basin
ayyy
nova socket
idk how it evolved from everyone having an easy position and slightly moving to me baiting a side puddle on mt but
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ocean forge
Isn't it kinda poetic that UCOB WF is the same team who cleared Bahamut back then (this is what I am told) while TEA WF is days ahead of everyone else's (it is boss with time based power)
stable basin
Yeah ucob world first was some anime bullshit
literally pulling the gang out of retirement for one last showdown against their old enemy
lusty oak
no word second yet?
nova socket
Not that I know of
stable basin
The takeaway from this should be that TpS would have won even if every team except them knew how to get the codex from the start
But ofc the bonobos who are calling foul are just taking this as "you must have cheated even harder than we thought!"
uncut charm
yeah this just shows that knowing the true heart's secrets alone is not enough to get past Perfect Alex
Fate Calibration Beta is just 
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They didn't take long in perfect alex tho I think
uncut charm
and you still needed that wormhole consistency
nova socket
wormhole consistency is probably a huge deal for most groups
uncut charm
nope, iirc they took about 14 hours from their discovery to clear
nova socket
that sounds very little for the last phase to me
uncut charm
I mean, 4 days clear is already shorter than last time
they seemed to struggle with wormhole as well from the mogtalk
nova socket
the mogtalk was nice
lusty oak
uncut charm
just finished it
nova socket
wormhole just seems so aids
uncut charm
1st day at some point they were even lagging behind streamers
lusty oak
XIV players are brainded sadly
uncut charm
but wormhole was the breakpoint where they gain the lead
lusty oak
there was guy complaining THEY PUT NEW LORE INTO ULTIMATE???
and demanding SE to release it to general public
talking about Codex and cat
uncut charm
but cat and codes is already in OG alex?
uncut charm
so whats the complain
lusty oak
XIV players are brainded sadly
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4Town
lusty oak
ocean forge
nope, iirc they took about 14 hours from their discovery to clear
If you can consistently clear the early phases, 14 hours to learn last phase is very realistic for the level of difficulty the fight is sitting at
14 hours is around what.. 70-80 entries into the last phase
nova socket
Getting to last phase on like 80%+ of the pulls is very impressive
uncut charm
they did say that they have very consistent pulls in the mogtalk
it has to be consistency being a key to their success anyways
nova socket
aye, that's the most impressive part of their clear tbh
My team still sometimes wipes to dolls
torn kindle
Is there any rhyme/pattern to Limit Cut marks? or 100% random
nova socket
marks seem completely random, tho the strat is very consistent
uncut charm
there was one part where on the mog talk they said like they at one point have like 30 back to back pulls to their current progression point
watch the streamers on stream and you would hard to find a team that can consistently have 5 back to back pulls to wormhole
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I stopped tracking tbh
but before I stopped I think the amount of teams doing wormhole and/or getting past it are like
you can count with 2 hands
the lead groups on stream are now like Arthas's, Team MOOF, One Ace?
not sure where Xenos is at now
or Momo's group
their timezone doesnt fit well with me
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yeh idk I just kinda got bored of watching streams cus
I rather work on my groups prog
uncut charm
I stopped watching cos I am playing pokemon.... 
nova socket
You're not doing TEA at all?
uncut charm
I am, but group is super casual, a member is having finals this month as well
I have only played 1.5hrs of it so far
1 of them are so fresh to the game, Eden was their first raid tier
nova socket
7 of us have eden as their first tier
uncut charm
makes it a little hard for me to explain mechanics using old raid names
like I was trying to explain protean wave using pantokrator 2 and people were like silent
cos what is panto 2
nova socket
lmao that's literally me
when ppl do that
"ah yes just do same as in a6s"
im like
ok I dont even know what a6 is but let's go
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/
uncut charm
Flares as in the standard flare thing, proximity damage?
nova socket
Yes
The indicator itself doesn't explain itself very well
I overthought about them a bit
lyric summit
you mean the ga-100? 
lusty oak
@lyric summit go sleep
nova socket
for everything I do
lusty oak
no WSecond
stable basin
Flares are arrows pointing out so they're like anti-stacks
but first time I saw them I was like wtf is that triangle
uncut charm
I think that's the thing about XIV raids where you keep gaining experience from past raids and you tend to be able to figure mechanics faster because things always resemble something
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yeh I thought it's like a 3way thing thatll do like laser-like things or some shit lmao
uncut charm
I wish that the next ultimate will be something completely fresh. Not ultimate some past boss
lusty oak
nope
uncut charm
So no one is able to do prep runs and what not
stable basin
Ultimate gets to go crazy because they reuse most of the assets
lusty oak
Ultimte is reused only
nova socket
Basically every mechanic is new to us
So it's good content
I don't think anyone of us did alex savages when they were a thing
the one that didn't start in shb started last expac?
lusty oak
Savage came with 3.0+
nova socket
I mean that's expected
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Dude imagine they make next Eden story mode coil level
nova socket
Like everyone was fucking garbage back then
lusty oak
would be fun tbh
stable basin
t13 is just like tempest wings akh morn earthshakers on loop
lusty oak
2nd coil level is great for story
stable basin
even at i130 in first coil
uncut charm
Tbh even if you place current generation of players back to coil
Your typical causals won't even pass turn 7
nova socket
e.e
stable basin
I've only done fcob synced and people gave up at twin lol
lusty oak
Snek can be burned
nova socket
I mean, if that's like considered the endgame content that's kinda ok?
stable basin
er bcob
nova socket
I don't think most casuals have done eden savage either
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I used turn 7 because how bad people are on E2N
Turn 7 is somewhat similar in the sense of delayed debuff based mechanic
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ic
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You hold debuffs with timers that you need to resolve later
Like cursed voice have to freeze adds in order to LoS boss's mechanics
And you can't hit a petrified add, it dies instantly as well
It's very easy to fuck up
lusty oak
Dude, ppl still cant place meteors on Nael
nova socket
understandable
lusty oak
it was 5 years
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just cus it was 5 years ago doesnt mean ppl did it 5 years aggo
if you put me into old content I wouldnt know wtf to do first pull either e.e
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@stable basin try to throw you grp back to turn 7 savage at min IL (110) and see how they do
4Head
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lol
nova socket
sounds fun
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It's one stupid fight that is still annoying even with today's players
stable basin
I think my static could do it cause the whole ultimate static thing but
sounds finnicky
nova socket
I wanted to do min ilvl titan but not everyone was into that either 😔
stable basin
We did min ilvl/synced alex savage for prep
I don't think we actually cleared any but we saw all the mechanics and just moved on
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Our prep was getting healer fully geared 30mins before first pull 
"let's see what he does cant be that bad right"
stable basin
Every time I look at party list in pepsiman I think we're wiping because hp bars shooting down at alarming pace
stable basin
I get a solo adlo
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My HP goes from 30% to 70 to back to 30 to 80 to 20 etc
stable basin
you know it's bad when the healers are actually using gcds
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OG pepsi or Ulti pepsi
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ulti
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DRK is so busted for this fight
stable basin
og pepsi hurt a lot too
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im mting on gnb rn
stable basin
blobmorning
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one auto fking breaks tbn lol
stable basin
after a scuffed limit cut one of our healers got oneshot by 120k combined damage on the first auto of p2 
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idk mby I should learn drk for TEA but rn im just learning mechanics on gnb
@stable basin Did you get much past transition?
How much do brute/wing hurt compared to pepsiman
nova socket
cus pepsiman is like fine on GNB at least
stable basin
and raidwides I assume are the same level of need some mitigation or oneshot
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but idk if later phases will hard fuck me
stable basin
they're not real heavy on busters
there's one double rocket punch and a couple flamethrowers
and two mines
I think rocket punch+flamethrowers are like "hey don't eat this raw"
mines I'm told if I dm+shadow wall+tbn+arm's length I don't need any special attention from healers
I think GNB is good tho
Most prog teams are PLD+DRK or PLD+GNB
nova socket
ye we're pld gnb rn
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PLD is... not that good for this fight I think?
not sure
like most of the time you are gonna be so far out doing mehcanics
hard to wing
stable basin
yeah feels like there's not a whole lot of stuff you can safety wings
nova socket
apparently there's some req windows that make certain mechanics very comfy
uncut charm
veil is also pain in the ass
stable basin
but I've seen plds go full content respect vs the bj firenado
uncut charm
many shit goes through immunity as well
but yeah
requiescat is prob the main consolation
show respect but still keep GCD rolling
desert glen
Seems fine for me
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idk Ive not rly seen any LL logs with warrs
think there was one but it wasnt rly good
stable basin
I think war is probably fine?
uncut charm
WAR dont have much value in LL
but later parts yes
stable basin
It has good personal mitigation
nova socket
wars prolly fine it's just kinda meme
stable basin
thing with war is their burst isn't even that amazing any more
desert glen
Nascent is the reason im worried even switching off from war
stable basin
A good no mercy window isn't exactly ir level but it's not bad, and gnb still does damage in between
desert glen
Its the only tank thats not max for me
uncut charm
the OT is whatever
stable basin
and drk straight up outbursts war with everything up
if only the slaps were magic
then drk would be elder god tier in LL
nova socket
Drk being super good makes me worry that I should've learned it
stable basin
It's always nice to be good at meta stuff but tanks are pretty close in pereformance
or you could be like sindalf and play drk even though you don't know what you're doing on it
But I think it's easy to pick up anyway
quick verge
are streamers still working on fate calibration
lyric summit
the ones that are streaming, probably yeah
quick verge
that is the definition of streaming
lyric summit
a lot of them only had a week free though so back to slower prog
quick verge
a person who streams
lyric summit
yes but not much hc streams 
xeno/tate are still on wormhole i think
dunno about mrhappy
ocean forge
I hope that steamers and other players will try to practice consistent pulls in e5-8s to prep for the next ultimate
quick verge
completely different fights
ocean forge
I meant getting into the habit of perfecting 1 phase before diving into the next
Instead of "let's see how far we can go this time"
lyric summit
lyric summit
ocean forge
Man, if they have the resources
I bet it would be damn cool if the end of the enrage just rewind the fight backward
At x16 or x8 speed
lyric summit
he's not sending you back, he's timefreezing you forever
ocean forge
Ahhh
lyric summit
just minstrel's giving you another chance
tawny shuttle
The bell hath tolled thy name
lyric summit
they had heal lb after 2nd exatrines
ocean forge
The lore is, all the ex, Savage, and Ultimate are over exaggerated versions of your encounters?
lyric summit
yeah
quick verge
Ultimate is that weird ass fanfic you wrote in 8th grade
uncut charm
nah
savage is the weird ass one
ultimate is writted by your chunnibyou best friend
tawny shuttle
ultimate is that really chunni phase
ocean forge
"then the whole group wipe, but Phoenix swoops in and rez everyone"
lyric summit
there was a lore panel about uwu on a fanfest, but it's still minstrel headcanon
about the arena being like a summoning circle or whatever
ultima gathering the aether and shit
well, "uwu slide", on the lore panel
tawny shuttle
You trap with Mide and listen to Alex's jam for eternity
ocean forge
Huh, so for the enrage
You just order the players by their DPS?
In terms of who gets time locked first
ocean forge
Yoshi-P acknowledging DPS meter
ocean forge
Their sacrifice will be remembered
uncut charm
someone should try die and wait for last active player to be jailed then accept raise
ocean forge
Lol
lyric summit
moof world 2nd i believe
lyric summit
stand on 1st jail as healer, rescue and dodge into the 8th
glossy musk
Moof is NA too right? pog
glossy musk
Oh my god imagine a bunch of 800ms aussies beating hardcore world raiders LMFAO
quick verge
tfw
thorn bear
Something must've happened with the other teams that could've realistically taken world 1st
quick verge
TPS used a private server to freeze the other hardcore groups in time
I can't believe it
glossy musk
Well Elysium isn't really officially progging
some of their team is playing but Klops is out so
they just grabbed anyone available
Entropy (Angered) I don't know what happened to
got yeeted into the sun or something
lyric summit
Twitter
heavy mist
Yeah rip them
quick verge
:/
unreal flax
I just thought about something. We race to world first, but how big is the gap between first and second usually? Is this the biggest gap or has it always been something lengthy like this?
glossy musk
I actually don't remember how long Midas was
t5 had a bit of a gap but that was because we were the only team to clear it pre-nerf, as soon as the nerf happened (the next week) it was cleared by everyone
I think we'll see another clear today though
even Arthars is on enrage
unreal flax
Where does the heart mechanic appear? Brute Chaser or Alex?
glossy musk
Alex part 1
unreal flax
Ah
glossy musk
it's the first "trio" mechanic
Moof has hit like 7 or 8% with 4 deaths so far so if they clean it up, they've got it
glossy musk
@unreal flax Best way to handle it https://clips.twitch.tv/FamousPolishedGoblinRickroll
unreal flax
That is the funniest strat I've ever seen in my life
dull radish
(the actual cozy way to deal with it if you're curious: https://clips.twitch.tv/PeacefulRamshackleMageArsonNoSexy)
unreal flax
HAHA Holy shit so unnecessary lmao. Unfortunately, pug strat is now the cnbt strat
quick verge
what a world
dull radish
lot more damage for a dumb meme, can definitely see it being popular yup
glossy musk
the funny thing is
quick verge
memes > efficiency
glossy musk
it started as a shitpost
someone posted a picture of that diagram
saying you should make that because Alex is gonna fuck you in the ass in the next phase
and using the power of memes
they've made it reality
and it fucking worked
unreal flax
Honestly, I don't want it to be the pug strat. I wonder if someone will try to sell it to the people as the superior strat lol
Well, actually
does it matter? 400 people will ever reach that point and 120 of 'em are already there lol
dull radish
I dunno, either should be fine, just this is cozy damage
compared to heavier mitigation/healing
nova socket
wtb tank pov
robust violet
same
quick verge
@nova socket @robust violet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj2xU1pIveA
high ether
I still don't understand how that future self mechanic works
it's too galaxy brain for me
rapid sapphire
my pea brain impression was it was like forced march but action snapshot
lyric summit
it just shows a clone of you getting hit by stack/defamation/thunder/cross/swirl
and then you get the same after the casts finishes
unreal flax
Haha that's sick
ocean forge
I have to ask
So... The other world first prog teams
Did they all stop after WF was snatched? Or did most of them started streaming cuz no more WF to grab?
Or they just got schooled by a streaming team?
thorn bear
probably issues behind closed doors we don't know about
uncut charm
Nah they posted on Balance few hours ago saying that they just went chill mode after losing WF
ocean forge
That's fair
glossy musk
They also ran into some problems
Elysium's normal team isn't running, it's a frankenstein group that was cobbled together quickly
Entropy has had a dude having problems with being online
uncut charm
this ultimate is just a bit of abnormal
- Elysium and Entropy both not having their FC name in top 3
- WF is a mixed group
- Gap between 1st and 2nd
- 2nd from Tonberry
torn kindle
Alexander broke the space-time continuum
obtuse meteor
This timeline is weird
But if it's probably the best one out there if alexander approves
uncut charm
stable basin
my group needs that lol
smoky veldt
lol, this is like how people thought they would "cheat"
uncut charm
interesting note - world 4th is actually a team from China
vale cairn
Hello! I'm never setting foot in Alex Ultimate bc I'm a normie, but that doesn't stop me from being curious as to how exactly the "clone" mechanic works. From the video it doesn't really appears for them to be pushing the clones, but more like, following them. I'm sorry to bother, could anyone explain a bit better how it works and what happens if they don't stay close to their respective clones?
stable basin
China number four
smoky veldt
clone mechancs in ultimate? the one you see your future self?
torn kindle
Distance to clone means nothing IIRC. The arrow just more easily shows which one is you
smoky veldt
and depending on what they do is your future mechanic
vale cairn
but a lot of things happen to them, don't they?
smoky veldt
or, what you should not do
lyric summit
on alpha it's still/motion, then a thunder/defamation/stack
on beta it's a lot more stuff but still not that much
vale cairn
ohhh, so it's like "this will happen to you" and your future self has no idea what to do
but since you saw it you're like
oh I should stack for that
and stuff?
lyric summit
basically whatever happens to your clone you adjust to the correct position for incoming mechanics
yeah
smoky veldt
basically its your future dumb dumb
vale cairn
what happens when the cat's heart is killed by the players?
lyric summit
they don't get the codex
stable basin
then no book for you
smoky veldt
all deaths
lyric summit
and you can't see the clones
vale cairn
o:
smoky veldt
you cant view yourself
vale cairn
so its an insta wipe from P.Alex?
torn kindle
Pretty much
lyric summit
not instant, but you're going in blind
smoky veldt
yea, cause you dont see the mechanics
vale cairn
Oh, so everything happens the same but you have no idea
stable basin
theoretically you could do it but good luck lol
vale cairn
ohhhh
lyric summit
no tell on what mechanic is on who or where safespots are
vale cairn
😮
torn kindle
Unless your group somehow guesses the exact flow of mechanics for both fates
But that’s pretty much impossible
vale cairn
that's so amazing, what the hell 😮
lyric summit
yeah there was a screenshot of someone at fate beta with no codex lul
but entirely luck + res immunity + tank invuln
smoky veldt
lol, "fflogs challange: no codex"
vale cairn
has it been published how they arrived to the conclussion or discovery of not killing the heart?
lyric summit
yes actually
lyric summit
smoky veldt
where you had to kill it first to get the buff
lyric summit
trial and error basically, but mostly getting lucky by getting the initial error in the first place
stable basin
and watching a lot of rick and morty
vale cairn
and wearing tin foil hats from what im reading
😮
woaaaaah
so a mistake cracked the shell to this mistery
thank you for answering my questions guys!!
that was super interesting
chilly willow
I cleared hades ex for the first time and Im confused about 1 thing.
I had fire buff and I took ice tether but I died by it with cooldowns
What killed me?
quick verge
damage
chilly willow
So it was an healer issue, got it
glossy musk
CBT strat grows
unreal flax
It looks like a great strategy. Highly effective, looks efficient. Lower incoming damage, less risk, etc. However, memes are currency
foggy latch
see how galaxybrain limitcut adjustment is like
foggy latch
gilded depot
Paladin and scholar good for endgame?
dull radish
all jobs are good for endgame, PLD and especially SCH are especially popular choices for comps but you're fine with any job
gilded depot
dull radish
(other than Blue Mage which doesn't really count)
gilded depot
Really enjoying the new FFXIV, hoping endgame is decent
nova socket
is ok