!meta
#endgame-lounge
steady pebble
!faq meta
storm frostBOT
quick verge
what is this a strat of
brittle turtle
glossy musk
First one looks like t9s, second is a4s, third one is a12s I think, fourth one is UWU
dull radish
it looks kinda like void of repentance puddles + communion puddles for the 3rd one yeah
though we did it a bit differently
I distinctly remember the 1, 2, 3 soak 4 that I did there
solemn crow
unreal flax
The fourth one is definitely UWU.
glossy musk
Lmfao
nova socket
this mechanic is so easy can we do p2 instead of wiping to numbers we know how to dooo
quick verge
you know the hardest mechanic in TEA are the slow ass Embolus orbs
you've basically cleared already
dull radish
the hardest mechanic is pushing LL at a bad time so you have embolus orbs up while you're doing limit cut
quick verge
wait, do they not actually disappear
dull radish
also fun emoblus related clip that this reminded me of https://clips.twitch.tv/ManlyHelpfulGiraffeDatSheffy
quick verge
superb game tbh
quick verge
no
nova socket
wish we could get to chakram memes
idk I say our LL is consistent
but limit cut
idk why
foggy latch
furthest we got was double enurmation
can defintely say
bj+cc phase is easier than transition
nova socket
yes
foggy latch
its almost same movement everytime
i dont need to see their cast
i already memorized timeline
limit cut is easy now
i almost never fuck it up
til i get paired as red with slowpoke blue
then i just choose how to die
get cleaved and dashed or get hawked
quick verge
cleave party
thorn bear
I think limit cut might almost take as long to prog through as the entirety of LL for my group
nova socket
ikr
I mean we know what to do
but ppl just run to random side consistently
for osme reason
nova socket
yeh idk lmao
thorn bear
one guy made a trigger to tell him exactly where to go based on what number he gets
and he still gets turned around
nova socket
how
unreal flax
Too much moving your camera around and not enough paying attention to the minimap means is very easy to get turned around right before or right after a chain of mechanics
Happened to be from time to time
Certain things mitigate or prevent it outright. For example, it's impossible to get turned around on O5S, but perfectly possible on something like TEA where the stage is just a circle with a minimally distinguishable bg
unreal flax
Back when I was raiding, I was on MNK. There were a lot of times where, while I knew the mechanics, I'd end up heading to the wrong spot because I notice the markers after I start adjusting for the mechanic
thorn bear
I just find north, remind myself of where 12/56 go and adjust based on what number I get
unreal flax
Nearly everything I do until something is on full farm is reaction, not prediction lol
thorn bear
I'm thinking where north is and where 1256 goes before we even kill LL
unreal flax
Yeah, I don't think ahead like that. I mean, I do, to an extent, but most of it is, as I said, reaction to what's happening lol
thorn bear
raid awareness 
unreal flax
I hope y'all like commas lol
The way I learn fights and process them is basically in individual chunks. For example, I knew first and second Forsaken before I even reached G.Kef. So, I know what needs to be done, but I don't prep for it ahead of time. I just wait for it and then when it appears, I do whatever I'm supposed to. I guess that might be normal and I just suck at explaining it?
dull radish
The biggest issue for people going to the wrong side is often forgetting to take a conscious effort to realign/reorient yourself looking back north after killing LL, instead of treating where you end up as north.
That being said, an interesting consideration too is just doing everyone on one side, if people are going to be bad with going to the correct side even with triggers. It's not really bad at all to take care of it all on one side, it's basically the same thing as doing it on two sides. Of course it shouldn't be an issue either way and it's something frustrating that they really should be better with, but yeah
quick verge
my favorite mechanic in the game is now nisi
scaring people with erratic movement is too much fun
torn kindle
too bad cheese strat was what 99% of groups did
so nisi there was an afterthought
but with intended strategies it made some healing checks very risky
stable basin
TEA nisi is notouching.mp4
torn kindle
since a big damage tick could happen right when raidwide damage did
thorn elm
Does Endgame start at max level? Or is there things i can do while leveling to get a jump on it?
torn kindle
pretty much starts at max level, yes.
the most you can do, besides stuff like unlocking your job actions from class quests, is having a set of level 80 crafted gear waiting for you.
tribal pecan
What do i do at endgame
grim swan
Glamour
Or extreme primals possibly get into savage raiding. Find good map groups and make money.
glossy musk
If you’re interested in hardcore endgame, gear up, extreme primals, savage raiding, ultimate raiding
nova socket
ultimate proggers
nova socket
Hey let's do p2 practice! @glossy musk
glossy musk
Lmao
nova socket
3 of us can't login
😔 🔫
glossy musk
Download the limit break program and play that with friends
burnt field
Wait, has the last boss of Twinning always had the same music as the first phase of TEA?
glossy musk
Yes
burnt field
Okay, must've only noticed it now. 🤷♂️
thorn bear
its a live band cover of the main boss theme of alexander raids
quick lark
thanos dies
snow plover
wrong endgame
stable basin
Do the books in savage also in the weekly lockout?
dull radish
yup, they're still weekly
stable basin
what about the blade?
foggy latch
still weekly
stable basin
does that only apply to savage? because I rolled on the bangle and armor of early antiquity but i still got both
sudden rapids
can someone explain the difference between hand of prayer/parting damage or mechanic-wise?
dull radish
if boss and hand are far when the mechanic triggers, you force hand of prayer. To resolve this you have to have hand and boss close
if boss and hand are close when mechanic triggers, you force hand of parting, where you have to spread them when the mechanic resolves
damage-wise it doesn't matter, it's just the movement
sudden rapids
so basically having the tanks move in together first, bait parting, then move them apart, or do the opposite of everything?
dull radish
yeah
I'm a bit biased towards baiting hand of prayer, even though parting is more popular
sudden rapids
man my friend's static is a big ol' dumdum then.
dull radish
since you drag hand a bit away on spawn, then when it starts glowing you gap close to boss and they just stay together
and boss + hand are close before adds and emboli spawn
nova socket
that's actually very nice
lyric summit
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1198303831055990784/pu/vid/1280x720/iVKq90cH_SutTqgL.mp4
think that's the updated version but dunno, could be biased but sfia's looks easier
this one's based on wormhole positioning more than sfia's, maybe that's why
instead of robots
hazy crypt
lyric summit
same as last two 
people dropped out on nael and people dropped out on titan, now people drop out on limit cut/nisi, nothing new
fickle shell
do any of the guides for savage content call out when to use Feint and addle?
quick verge
no
at most, they'll say to use a tank invuln on something
there's some spreadsheets out there that list out mitigation that you could use
fickle shell
like for e1s i know you can use Feint on Spear of Paradise, Mana Slice and auto attacks and Addle on Fragor Maximus and Vice of Vanity.
nova socket
Mitigation spreadsheets usually have possible feint usage
nova socket
uhh I don't have eden one in hand rn lemme checkl
fickle shell
thank you very much!
fickle shell
thanks for checking all. At least i know what to start searching for as well
dull radish
for reference on the addle sheet, we actually have it pinned over in the caster resources channel on the balance. I'd imagine when a new tier comes out for savage it'll be updated as well with addle recommendations for the new fights. Feint often has a bit less use since most raidwides/busters are magic instead of physical, so feint often gets used to cover annoyingly timed autos or the occasional physical-based attack--generally not as big a deal as addle
lilac pike
whats endgame like in this game? worth?
lyric summit
worth
glossy musk
Do you like practicing for approximately 100 hours to complete a single 18 minute fight? Then do we have the endgame for youuuuu
nova socket
it's around 100 hours for an average group
unkempt lagoon
So Ive read everywhere that you shouldnt use too many macros for GCD spells.
Does that mean I shouldnt use mouseover macros as a healer?`
thorn bear
Mouseover is fine
many people use mouseover
the problem is people macroing rotations
unkempt lagoon
So... do mouseover macros delay the GCD aswell?
thorn bear
they won't delay if you spam them lol
glossy musk
They can very slightly but you are also saving time clicking party frames
So it’s kind of a yes and no
It’s a lot less of a problem than macroing say Fire
thorn bear
macroing a 123 rotation is a no go
mouseover or specific target macros for skills like intervention or cards
is perfectly fine
glossy musk
Yeah
If you macro OGCDs just make sure the macro spams it or you hit the shit out of it
So it’ll go off
My OGCD macros are like 8 lines of using it
thorn bear
I just spam it and hope it goes off early enough that I can double weave
glossy musk
Mine are like
/macroerror off
/ability
/ability
/ability
/ability
/ability
/ability
/micon ability
unkempt lagoon
And that helps?
glossy musk
It’ll attempt the ability multiple times until it works (and then fail the rest because CD)
unkempt lagoon
Alright ty ^^
glossy musk
No problem
nova girder
Is there any way the smn rotation is supposed to go
Or what I wanna know is
Is there any way to keep 100% dot uptime without hardcasting them
storm frostBOT
polar iron
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/277968447739002880/648298033968185391/2minutecycle_5.1_nonameplate-01.png @lyric summit
This is the updated one you might wanna update the command
Courtesy of elevation i think...?
lyric summit
mhm
thought they'd update it themselves from the balance end, since they did last time
!faq edit smncycle "The two minute cycle by Edyis Darkbane and Elevation Xx (Faerie)" "https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/277968447739002880/648298033968185391/2minutecycle_5.1_nonameplate-01.png"
storm frostBOT
polar iron
I see
stable basin
lyric summit
how small is your screen
quick verge
did you die
lyric summit
that's a lot of degrees
untold oyster
this is pretty gross honestly
It's basically DBM like wtf
this shouldn't be allowed
nova socket
@foggy latch who needs tea when i can grind e3s logs for boredom
lol
wtb a static that does tea more than 3 times a week
lyric summit
you are aware that's it's basically just nicely packaged triggernometry right @untold oyster
untold oyster
it's literally telling you what to do lol
lyric summit
triggers are fully trig triggers, you can do visual text overlays with trig too but cactbot just makes it easier
it doesn't actually bring anything new to what triggers can and can't do
untold oyster
are you saying you can do visual text overlays with triggernometry too or the default trigger thing in act?
nova socket
you can do that with triggernometry
untold oyster
yeah i don't like triggernometry either
i feel like plugins like that are unnecessary
lyric summit
so hate on trig, not cactbot
untold oyster
they do the same thing lol
I don't respect people as raiders that use things like that honestly
it's so unnecessary
nova socket
everyone uses triggers for ultimate
untold oyster
it's unfortunate that things are that way
nova socket
That's what happens when you put semi-rng mechanics 15mins into the fight
untold oyster
If i don't end up clearing ultimate that's fine. I'll be happy knowing I didn't have to rely on those plugnis
nova socket
Every sane person will use them
lyric summit
meh, what's the difference between doing a mechanic when you see a picture vs when you hear a sound
nova socket
like sub 1% of raiders will clear ultimates no matter what triggernometry tells them to do
lyric summit
as in, a limit cut number vs limit cut callout
untold oyster
Because fights are about learning lol. The numbers that appear over your head during limit cut look weird and it's up to you to be able to read it fast enough to get into the right position
nova socket
you still have to learn the fights
untold oyster
I know that
nova socket
you can go do tea with triggers and do limit cut on first pull :)
untold oyster
my group's on limit cut right now
oh that edit
i misunderstood what you meant lol
nova socket
yeh im too tired to proofread what I type
untold oyster
it's an unnecessary crutch either way
you shouldn't have to rely on something like taht
nova socket
You don't have to
Our scholar isn't using trigger for limit cut, he knows it's preferable to do so but doesn't want to
He will for later phases to cus fuck wiping at 15mins cus brainfart
untold oyster
No one in my group is using a trigger for limit cut
nova socket
They probably are but cus ur so outwardly against them, theyre afraid to admit to using them :)
untold oyster
I don't really badmouth triggers to my group lol
I don't think they know i dont like em
nova socket
I still doubt none of them are
lyric summit
also have you even watched the clip you linked
there's so much information thrown at you it's more of a bother than help
it's a very often reoccurring issue with the cactbot fight files
untold oyster
If it’s a bother then why are they using it?
lyric summit
cause they're the main dev i'm pretty sure lol
but still, almost no way to actually customize the premade fight files that get dumped into your cactbot with every patch
means you'll get cactbot spamming you with info about a strat you might not even be using
quick verge
Sacrament - go diagonal
lyric summit
personal fave from seiryu after transition: "pop sprint"
lyric summit
actual cactbot callout btw
nova socket
I mean
untold oyster
😔
nova socket
sure I guess?
untold oyster
Cactbot smh
quick verge
personally my favorite triggers are the one i can use to blow someone's ears up
see: all nael quotes
nova socket
technically you could just make every tankbuster have a trigger like "provoke, use invuln"
but why tho
Ive not done old ultimates yet, I'll get to them after Tea I think
nova socket
that's an amazing clip
untold oyster
Lol
nova socket
triggers break every patch day so
quick verge
yeah for like 3 minutes
untold oyster
I really hope they manage to break all triggers somehow
If ACT must be sacrificed, so be it
quick verge
parse shaming i440 plebes in my dungeons
nova socket
yeh
untold oyster
Don’t need a trigger
nova socket
y
quick verge
one of the two
nova socket
in clock sides
quick verge
tbh e2s is only good because it's a dummy fight and you can scare the shit out of someone with cleaver
quick verge
tips to get top 100:
crit more
get optimal kill time
untold oyster
now that my drk is above 450 ilvl i should try getting more parses for it
both my drk parses for e1s i died in em 
untold oyster
!whologs @untold oyster
storm frostBOT
untold oyster
be amazed at my grey drk parses
untold oyster
adps is the one true metric
untold oyster
i only say that because i have orange in every fight for adps lol
in rpds im orange expect for e3 i think
nova socket
!wl @nova socket
storm frostBOT
nova socket
top15 rdps is 97% adps
cus samurai
xd
if samurai was ninja and pressing trick attack it would be 99 easily
good metric
quick verge
both metrics suck
in rdps, all i need to do is not lose a usage of an ability to be comparable to other parses
which means i can drift the fuck out of my abilities, but im still good if i don't lose a usage
untold oyster
at the end of the day
if you lose sleep over your percentile in a fight you need to go outside more 
its just numbers
quick verge
in adps, i gain an advantage with raid buff jobs inherently
but it can also accurately reflect me pressing certain buttons within a certain window of time
stable basin
I got a bunch of historical 98/99s that are barely orange now but my whologs looks good and that's really all that matters
nova socket
e3 has no downtime
rose atlas
not up for discussion
lyric summit
maelstrom not real
nova socket
I mean downtime that you can optimize
stable basin
Uptime flares
nova socket
on tanks there's flares, other than that there's nothing really
one side first tsunami
rose atlas
everything
nova socket
my highest e4s is in a pug
storm frostBOT
rose atlas
ignore the gnb logs
nova socket
what ilvl do you have?
rose atlas
bis
stable basin
Just do tank uptime stuff without asking party consent
nova socket
uhh
untold oyster
even with unoptimal strats you can get purple
rose atlas
i wanna try to get purple in e3/e4
untold oyster
is unoptimal even a word
nova socket
you can get oranges in pugs doing normal tactics
stable basin
With bad strats you can orange if you have good rng/killtime
rose atlas
im not going to bust my ass doing it tho so
stable basin
Most uptime strats are only 1 or 2 gcds
untold oyster
if you don't try then you wont get a good parse lol
nova socket
Parsing is just aids uptime/rng/killtime grind that has no real purpose
untold oyster
as a melee fighter like warrior you have to try to keep uptime as much as possible
like uhhhh
shit im starting to realize that i don't really know how tanks move in these fights lol
stable basin
That's why I stopped chasing parses after getting some nice numbers for my historicals
nova socket
for e3s, low numbers are usually cus you aren't adjusting to maelstrom timings
idk how it's for war, but gnb and pld change rotations just to get certain CDs before maelstrom
quick verge
war is pretty much the same old war
untold oyster
for nin i just hit buttons without thinking about it 
stable basin
war/drk won't get an extra ir/delirium before mael
You could maybe do them first gcd but pretty sure that would be a bigger loss especially because you'd probably get the same uses over the whole fight
quick verge
you can hold 90 minutes post mael 1 for the 2 minute buff window
as,
you aren't losing any uses
90 minutes?
90 seconds
fuck english
stable basin
we ff11 now
quick verge
garbage ass language
pld is just maiming the basic rotation in every fight so you can end phases on atonement tbh
nova socket
maiming?
Also not really, esp on e3s you use req during FoF to get a second req usage
quick verge
you only req during fof if your kill time is before roiling iirc
otherwise you do ANOTHER rotation
rose atlas
hopefully e3s doesnt need me to do janky things like gnb to shove stuff in before a mael
rose atlas
gnb is too hard for me tbh
nova socket
pld is too hard for me
stable basin
Best drk strat is 3rd gcd delirium in e1s so you can get like 3 bloodspillers on adds and push it out of the reopener
nova socket
I stick to gnb
rose atlas
if im moving a boss during no mercy
stable basin
but that sick potency gain
rose atlas
im fucked
nova socket
never delay NM
nova socket
I mean double weaving while moving boss is uhh
quick verge
excuses imo
nova socket
If you do that without clipping I tip my hat to you
nova socket
also remember that if you jiggle move the boss youll miss autos so its garbage anyways
🙃
foggy latch
i only had 2 places that i did rely on act triggers
nael RP talk ( which i learnt it later after discord dced me alot and had to rely on me doing it without callout assuming discord dc me )
and titan ultimate gaols
i didnt rely on it on any other mechanic
i already doubleweave while moving as brd/mch
have fingers on R2/L2
have fingers on D pad and colored buttons
move both analogs by edges of my hands
unreal flax
I just use my thumbs for everything lol. All my GCDs are under my right thumb and movement is under my left. I never need to use the camera and move and push buttons, so it works out*.
*Fuck you, Exdeath
stable basin
Titan gaols, nael quotes, and what number do I have in TEA are the mechanics I'll happily use triggers for
foggy latch
1st limit cut is easy without trigger
will see how wormhole fare without it
since it involve much more mechs depending on your num
unreal flax
I like cactbot lol
thorn bear
man the difference between intermissions in uwu and alex
😂 👌
limit cut is as hard as nails
lyric summit
nails are hard? 
thorn bear
they are pretty weak actually
all it takes it one punch and it seems like they break
very flimsy
serene lotus
Depends on which end you punch
solemn crow
Gravity is worth it for 2 enemies now right?
lyric summit
yes
stable basin
can anyone on aether server help me on eden savages so I can get to tea?
unreal flax
How far are pugs making it these days, anyway? Surely they're on Prime by now
I've decided that I'm finally gonna do E1S this week.
uncut charm
NA pugs in Alex Prime? Hmm
unreal flax
It's a locked duty for me, so I can't even read the descriptions in party finger
quick verge
nobody pugs tea
unreal flax
Yeah, it's just static recruitment
stable basin
People decide on a random mechanic to write in the PF and then wipe to protean and limit cut
rose atlas
thats basically tea pugs in a nutshell
if pugs could even make it to nisi id be surprised
foggy latch
if pugs are on alexander prime then our pug scene is much better than i expected
i doubt pugs even see limit cut
let alone alex prime
sinful storm
Any video/written guides out there for Alex prime? Or is it a case of jump in and wing it?
static matrix
For geocrush should I take blue or red route?
dull radish
what do you mean, for geocrush?
geocrush is where he jumps to a random tile and does a knockback, this looks more like evil earth, in which case it doesn't matter too much as long as you step into a tile where it went off
and if this is at the start, as long as you're with at least one other person when orange resolves
past that your movement doesn't really matter
@sinful storm https://clees.me/guides/tea/
there's also https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wKE4Hj7asv5PsJT4w4mL5chDRMTtgUbdPCsJWqGsuJk/edit# and https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zh6lBnS7ipTIPAN10y376Y1KB9UYOVEt622t1lyezek/edit for reference if you want
sinful storm
@dull radish Thank you!
glossy musk
Why not move to the NE?
It’s much shorter
Also you should move with whatever way the tank is going so you don’t lose any uptime
dull radish
unless you're a ranged then just go do whatever you feel like as long as you resolve the orange~
static matrix
I just took an Evil Earth image and edited it with those red blue lines on paint 😂 @dull radish
I was having trouble standing on diagonals during geocrush... gonna try the center (blue) route now
dull radish
it just seems a bit excessive to move all the way over there, particularly if you're tank/melee
there's not really a reason to
glossy musk
Or a caster or healer. Lose a lot of uptime
static matrix
Maybe diagonal but a bit more centered then
dull radish
well depends on what's up there but still
really just getting used to moving into an adjacent tile after it goes off trivializes the mechanic
there's no reason to not just chill up there in that corner
glossy musk
Just stand on the NE spot, wait 2, move in
static matrix
I was feeling silly for dying only there when there is no surecast available
dull radish
surecast?
static matrix
Arms lenght fot casters
dull radish
I'm very aware
you do not use surecast for evil earth, but for geocrush. What's above is evil earth
static matrix
"I just took an Evil Earth image and edited it with those red blue lines on paint "
dull radish
oh, are you looking for "where to get knocked back to" from the geocrush
you still weren't quite clear
glossy musk
Oh I see
static matrix
:/ yes
dull radish
but basically you're asking about what direction to get knocked to
in which case, again it doesn't really make a difference, I usually like the straight knockback
which is the blue line
static matrix
I see
glossy musk
Depending on job you can cheese it too
static matrix
Thanks, was scared to use straight in pf
glossy musk
On DRG I pop my jump soon as it occurs and it cancels the movement
dull radish
there's no danger to anyone else for geo
you can get knocked back in whatever way, as long as you don't fall off and make it back to the boss before the landslide/car it's fine
though knockback cancelling is most cozy for when surecast/arm's length isn't up yeah
stable basin
Hey did yall know drg lb3 is a jump, cause this guy is never going to forget that https://clips.twitch.tv/InspiringVictoriousCakeTinyFace
quick verge
that's a tilter
that's actually so rough holy shit
i wonder if that dude's keyboard was alive after this clip
lyric summit
they really should just delete any movement from that and monk lb3
monk's even worse afaik
had e3s wipes after smokers resolved cause monk lb yeets him into the void
rose atlas
mnk lb3 literally throws them thru the boss
if the movement was for show thats ok but dont throw me into the boss and then i die cause i fell
uncut charm
melee mains really need to know whether their LB3 is a true melee or not (ie. does it "gap close")
happens too often
Still remember that JP DRG that LB3 Proto Ozma and fell down
glossy musk
LOOOL
north harbor
I just finished Grand Cosmos
Dog puns
😄
So guys what do I need to get materia wise as a gunbreaker
old breach
What current best materials for dancer? Crit>direct hit>determination?
dull radish
generally yes, though if you're able to get BiS you should work more specifically towards one of those sets
old breach
Meh i dont care much for best in slot,. Not and raider
north harbor
Is the Titan stuff the current final Eden thing
heavy mist
yes
north harbor
time to unlock Nier raids I guess
glossy musk
Can unlock savage now and after savage ultimate
gilded escarp
I hope this is the right channel, does anyone know if the balance discord still exists?
vale dagger
Yes
gilded escarp
Thank you!
vale dagger
No problem :)
gilded escarp
<3
snow plover
anyone have the latest APM ranking since 5.1?
snow plover
yeah looks like it, nice
stable basin
Hey so I don’t know if I should ask this here or in the question tab but. What do you all do with your 450 eden gear so it doesn’t just fill up unnecessary space?
torn kindle
I’d just junk it tbh, there’s no weekly loot limit for the non-weapon tokens anymore so the sets are easy to get back if you want them for glamour
thorn bear
if you have space in your glam dresser you can throw shit in there
as a form of storage
rose atlas
so im a idiot, does someone know what 1st and 2nd explosion means in mgr
lyric summit
mgr?
dull radish
merry go round
I'm assuming they're talking about the inner AoEs by "explosions" with a number
saying dodge into the first AoE and stop for "1st explosion", etc
heavy mist
The NA strat bby
lyric summit
some pugs here do it too
rose atlas
thanks
pure hawk
Hi, I'm a casual pug raider and I'm interested in the new Ultimate Alexander but have some questions first before I dive in:
- I never used ACT and wonder how significant it is in helping with ultimate raids. (Do they give mechanic warnings or something?)
- In terms of mechanics and DPS checks, how do they compare to say the 4th raid of a savage tier? (Are 90%+ - yellow parses necessary in order to clear?)
- Do Ultimate Raids get easier if I do them later? Should I wait until optimal guides are released months down before attempting? Or wait for next raid tier for ilvl boost?
If there are some things a fresh ultimate raider should know, please inform me! My main concern is how unforgiving are ultimate raids?
stable basin
Ultimates are extremely unforgiving. Raidwides generally oneshot without mitigation, single deaths are often unrecoverable, and mechanics are much more precise than savage.
ACT isn't necessary, though it's nice to know how much damage you're doing
People like to say the dps checks in ultimate are easy, but that's because they're usually in teams of 8 coordinated high purple/orange parsers
dps checks aren't week 1 savage difficult, but they're much much harder than savage with current gear
Usually people ask for at least purples in savage when they're recruiting
That's a decent bar for competency and it's less difficult/time intensive than clearing an ultimate
Clearing with +5 ilvl armor will be a bit easier but it's not a huge difference
There's usually only one real dps check phase and it gets a bit easier but you still have to do all the mechanics and your rotation properly
And there could be some breakthrough, but I feel like the strategies for the harder mechanics are already pretty well optimized
pure hawk
Thanks for the thorough pov!
How long does it generally take to learn/clear an ultimate raid in terms of a casual raider (2-3 days/week)? I think E4S alone took me a week
stable basin
Typically quoted statistic is 60-100 hours of prog
pure hawk
oooof
feels like i spent more than that on E2S
A little bot of raid anxiety but I wanna feel what its like a bit first before giving up LOL
stable basin
I took like 2.5 months for uwu then a bit over a month for ucob with less hours because I had a better group xd
pure hawk
damn how are you fairing with TEA
is this one harder/easier than the previous ultiamtes?
stable basin
I'm at inception right now
I really want to be further but we've had awful scheduling issues
pure hawk
ahh right
stable basin
Feels bad seeing my friends starting to clear
The first two phases are much harder than the first two in uwu
I feel like the second phase in ucob is about on par
But by all accounts there's one more difficult mechanic ahead for my group, and then it's like 8 minutes of victory lap
pure hawk
8minutes of victory lap? so the latter half is easier? haha
stable basin
uwu/ucob don't have the victory lap until ~3 minutes from the end
yeah
It's a running theme with ultimates, though TEA seems to take it to the extreme
The last threeish minutes of uwu and ucob are very simple with a lot of raid damage, basically mitigation spreadsheet check
And some straightforward dodging that will cause a wipe if anyone fails
pure hawk
damn not thrilled about the 1-2 deaths causing wipe intensity but I guess thats why its called ultimate
stable basin
TEA seems especially unforgiving there
You can strugglebus pretty hard in the middle of ucob and the first half of uwu
I've cleared uwu and ucob with a late death but it was extremely close with a very good group both times
pure hawk
where do you go for ultimate guides? as a casual raider I usually rely on those youtube video guides like MTQ but I've noticed they dont post ultimate guides for some reason
uncut charm
Any video guide on ultimate will be extremely long
stable basin
MTQ isn't good enough to post a proper ultimate guide
uncut charm
They are mostly text and diagram based
steady pebble
MTQ specifically doesn't make ultimate guides because one she doesn't feel like thats what her core audience is going to be doing and two they would be very long
pure hawk
damn that intense
stable basin
For uwu/ucob my group used Clees' guides a lot
pure hawk
sounds like im upgrading from picture books to chapters
stable basin
Though I don't think he has one for TEA
uncut charm
He has
stable basin
oh nice
uncut charm
2-3 days ago
rapid sapphire
he has one recently posted
stable basin
Definitely use his for TEA as well then
Cause he was the strategist attached to the world first team
pure hawk
who are these ppl? is there a site or something where ppl compile unique strategies for raids?
pure hawk
oh dang personal websites huh? icic i thought ppl use like a universal site
i like the graphics haha
stable basin
I also found Mister Happy's UWU fight breakdown pretty helpful
And there are other video guides out there
Xeno and Arthars both have pretty decent ucob guides
rapid sapphire
there's also a theory strat for jagd dolls (gather to mid and assize + tech step) but it's not proven yet (allows to feed them all at once)
pure hawk
As a tank, I've seen people meld 'tenacity' for their ultimate raid progression but do they remove them and put in the regular BiS melds once they've learned the mechanics or are tenacity melds a necessity
stable basin
Though xeno gets to golden and is like "just don't get hit 4head thx for watching bye"
They're not necessary
pure hawk
o weird
stable basin
You'll get something like 5% more passive mitigation at the cost of 1-2% damage
uncut charm
Tho I must say ultimate is very different in terms of guides. Savage and below are not that complicated so it is easier for generally accepted strats to appear, and them being easier to explain to more casual players.
Ultimate fight's mechanics time to time have certain nuances that is hard to explain in just a few words, so any ultimate guide will be very long and more often than not there are many ways to do it. Most ultimate "guides" aim to explain the concept behind each mechanics and leave it to the reader to decide what to do. This is also because it is expected that people attempting ultimates have certain level of competency to understand the concepts, not your casual raiders
rapid sapphire
^
stable basin
It's possible that tenacity can save a wipe or two along the way, but you definitely don't want to be missing that damage when you're pushing for a clear
The devil really is in the details for ultimates
pure hawk
i see isee that explains why theres so many different guides with ultimates
stable basin
Phase 2 TEA is like 75% establishing traffic rules with each other
Because nobody can touch each other except at specific pre-arranged times
But there are randomly targeted mechanics and people need to move all over the place
uncut charm
Yeah
People think wormhole is the hot debate but I really think it's phase 2
Had a discussion with FC mates about P2 the other day on which way to do it is the safest
Hard to find a conclusion
inland ore
The thing about ultimate is that it typically requires greater precision when executing mechanics than savage, so a lot of strats, while broadly similar to each other, are going to have a lot of individual nuances between groups. How are my party members moving? Where are they standing? How should I co-ordinate with them? Etc.
It's why subbing for ultimate is pretty annoying.
dull radish
there's several rather solid wormhole strats now
pure hawk
oh dang it sounds like clearing ultimate raids is challenging outside of a static then? guess u gotta commit pretty hard to one in order to reclear
uncut charm
Pug clear ultimate? 
pure hawk
LOL Hey I see ultimate partys on PF!!
uncut charm
Those are just extra practice runs
And for groups who started pugging and eventually reach a decent point ended deciding to become a static and clear together
stable basin
I've done community service clears but those basically work because there's a big group of ultimate raiders that all use the same strats
uncut charm
I'm not sure how Alex would play out
stable basin
Yeah pretty sure we all have different stuff for Alex rn
uncut charm
P2 rules gonna be cancer for community to agree with anything
Wormhole as well but not as bad as Nisi movement
stable basin
Even P1 there's gonna be some significant variation
I feel like my protean baiting is not exactly standard
Or at least I hope it's not
uncut charm
IDK what is even standard now but my group just bait N and S. People baiting waves and puddles/north half will stack north and vice versa
stable basin
But yeah overall ultimate can be said to be a static patience test rather than a mechanics or dps test
The baiting I do for the last one
uncut charm
Replacing any member is cancer as well
Start from LL again
Especially replacing healers
Big struggle
stable basin
Bait nnw, stand in a tiny sliver and hope I'm not boxed in by puddle, then run to the other side while the animation of the last waves hit me and bait the north tornado spray at the wall
uncut charm
Wait you bait tornado as a tank
stable basin
yeah
uncut charm
That is rather interesting. Protean 2?
I only bait sluice then come back for 2nd unseen wave
steady pebble
virus
steady pebble
i think might've uploaded it wrong or discord being weird
rose atlas
@uncut charm everyone should just agree on cbt for wormhole
quick verge
cbt is so inefficient
stable basin
I love cognitive behavioral therapy
rose atlas
@nova socket do you have that chart of nm windows to shove everything in before maelstroms in e3s
nova socket
This is just what I follow
In the beginning you just do normal fast no mercy and assuming you don't lose uptime you should end on a solid barrel which lets you start post meal-1 with GF
nova socket
same thing
nova socket
I don't think I ever practiced it on dummy
rose atlas
you just wing it?
nova socket
I just had the image open on my second screen lul
rose atlas
mfw ps4
stable basin
I put a postit note in the corner of my screen with e2s mitigation
rose atlas
now that my gnb is just
sitting with its 475 weapon and technically bis gear
i should do something with it
nova socket
TEA? :)
rose atlas
god no
i am awful with gnb
not to mention going into tea with it lmao
i wanna practice gnb
last party i was in was e4s and i had to ot that shit
and still got a green parse 
nova socket
think my highest e4 parse is as OT
rose atlas
wheeze
i missed
11 gcds in nm
i have not played gnb since i cleared 3s with it
but
i think this might be an improvement compared to what ive done before
maybe.
rose atlas
!wl @rose atlas
storm frostBOT
stable basin
Except I hate WAR being a special snowflake with its melds
stable basin
It's not a huge loss to use WAR melds everywhere
nova socket
war melds are fine on other jobs
stable basin
It's just I actually care about that 40 dps on DRK
rose atlas
i met a special war cotank
i checked his e1s log and he was abysmal
hes also a friend of a friend so im helping them improve
nova socket
I saw pf where some guy was "high dps only" it was locked to i460+ and he had like
very low grey logs
stable basin
Or did, my gate static stopped running and I don't care to chase pinks in pugs
nova socket
My e4s kills are all pretty bad as well
rose atlas
!wl @nova socket
nova socket
Having a smooth titan kill in pugs is so hard
storm frostBOT
rose atlas
reeee
rose atlas
rip pink
rose atlas
its always titan
but yeah cats war is so braindead
just keep eye
use upheaval on cd
and spam cleave
nova socket
tbh gnb is omega braindead as well
It's a static rotation with small optimizations on some bosses, otherwise you just try to get 100% uptime
nova socket
Then again, I'm still new to the game so dunno how to compare it to lots of things.
I should learn other jobs as well, I've dabbled into DRK which seems fun
stable basin
most people hated it ¯_(ツ)_/¯
rose atlas
all shb tanks play super smooth now
nova socket
Most people also are smooth brains
uncut charm
Mercy, I am sm0l brain
simplification is the only reason I can tank
I was a BRD dude back then
nova socket
It's either that or "lol have better gear" if you play optimally
but at that point /shrug
I don't play optimally yet, at least most of the time.
uncut charm
my brain is too small
to play optimially
can't remember all the exact presses in a spreadsheet perfect run
then get shitted because you miss a 10-20 potency gain
stable basin
I usually end phases on the same gcd but then I hear friends like yeah if you run 2.41 in Titan he jumps while your gcd is rolling around in an awkward spot and I'm like ??? are you a quartz crystal or something
oak kelp
Since I find a severe lack of DH on tank gear, I guess it's safe to meld everything into DH or should I meld more crit? (paladin)
torn kindle
DH wherever you can't fit in crit
assuming you're already at your preferred/ideal GCD
chilly willow
Does anyone know which datacentre/world is more focussed on raiding? EU btw.
nova socket
Chaos by far
chilly willow
What about world in light dc?
thorn bear
there is no DH on any tank gear
instead of DH you get tenacity
by that I mean, gear has tenacity
instead of DH
so early on in tiers you can just meld pure DH
nova socket
Light is the crystal of eu
loud cave
chilly willow
Yikes so all worlds in light dc are supercasual?
No wonder pf here is superempty.
Oh wait, world shouldnt matter pf is across all dc
lyric summit
eh not really, people still raid, just less
most hc guilds are on chaos but also they don't really affect 99% of raiders anyways 
serene lotus
Pugs are still trash on Chaos
glossy musk
Yeah hardcore FCs don’t matter where they are cause they ain’t inviting people in PF lol
limpid trout
that's the essential fallacy that everyone commits when they ask about servers for endgame
the truly talented raiders ain't joining your PF
so when the split happened on NA, the servers that became crystal lost a lot of talented players, but we lost a bunch of shitters too lol
so enjoy that, aether and primal
this is based on nothing but intuition, but i feel like the average overall skill level does not really vary that much by datacenter
the size of the raiding population varies by way, way more
lean halo
What would you say are the largest raid populations?
zealous badge
Primal
rose atlas
primal/aether
heavy mist
It really is tho
wooden pumice
Yikes so all worlds in light dc are supercasual?
Not really, I get plenty of good people in Light PF. The raid community got a lot smaller from the Chaos split, so it's still recovering.
It's the size of the population that's suffering, not the quality, but all the fast growing servers are on Light AFAIK, so by the end of shadowbringers the two data centres will probably be on par./
cloud bough
yikes dude thats cringe
ocean forge
can someone explain to me in short summary one of the mechanics in TEA worked?
specifically, the one where you get a book (?) from earlier phase, and you now get to see future version of yourself and there are 2 arrow linking you and your future self.
how does that work?
stable basin
So in A12S there are crystals that you put down in advance of Alex teleporting randomly and doing a Sacrament while he's invisible, the trick being that you figure out roughly where he is by the nearest crystal shattering
The same crystals show up in Inception Formation, and the same sort of mechanic happens
The trick is that instead of doing it that way, you place all the crystals in the path of a heart that's released on the other side of the arena to Alex
When the heart shatters all the crystals, it gives away Alex's position and gives you the Enigma Codex buff
In Perfect Alex, the Fate Calibration mechanics involve super long cast bars where the upcoming mechanic plays out visually. Each person has a clone that will die in the course of trying to resolve the mechanic and you have to look at how they died to see what's going to happen and do the mechanic properly, which happens after the castbar ends
dull radish
(shanoa being the "true heart", like from A11S)
stable basin
Without the Enigma Codex buff, you don't see anything at all during the castbar so it's impossible to tell what debuffs you will have and where the Alex clones will jump
ocean forge
i see
Each person has a clone that will die in the course of trying to resolve the mechanic and you have to look at how they died
may i ask for just a tad more detail on this one?
specifically, what will the player be looking for?
different kind of death animation?
dull radish
basically you see your clone trying to do the mechanic, it'll fail or succeed various parts
but by paying attention to your clone you can see what mechanic you had, and where the safespots are
so like, when you have to stay still or move, where safe spot for lasers are, if you have defamation or stack or whatever
and then you have to follow up with doing the mechanic properly for real, after the replay happens with the clones
ocean forge
i see
glossy musk
Someone did the math on the possibility of clearing Perfect Alex phase without the buff and it’s pretty wild
dull radish
yeah I saw that the other day
glossy musk
Suffice to say you have a significantly higher chance of winning the lottery
torn kindle
almost one in a billion, right?
dull radish
discord search isn't working for me at the moment otherwise I'd find it and link it haha
dull radish
I was trying to search on my static discord server haha
quick verge
foggy latch
ok i did the math of TEA dps checks
LL need 87k rdps
bj+cc need 85k rdps
triple check can range between 71 - 78k depending how low you can alex prime before he disappear
perfect need 80.2k
if we to not account calibration downtime
you need 88k rdps
stable basin
I'm getting 94k active rdps for perfect
28.9 mil hp, 6 minute enrage, 85% uptime
Though I took uptime from a fast kill so you'd get more uptime on a slow kill
On the other hand you'd have more people dying to enrage
foggy latch
calibrations has exactly 35 secs downtime
so 2,890,000 / 325 = 88k
1st one is 12 secs
2nd one is 23 secs
stable basin
Basically every phase before perfect is a joke in comparison
foggy latch
exactly
stable basin
Highest rdps and it's single target
foggy latch
though healers can dps more in it
given he almost doesnt do any dmg
outside stacks and busters
dont forget
LB3 do almost 2k dps alone
so 78k
inland plover
This walls work with Shirogane House ?
lyric summit
#questions-and-help , but also no, house walls work with houses (mediums) and cottage walls work with cottages (smalls)
but there's no zone restrictions
inland plover
i mean all size in this case. just want to know it work or not cause i own a cottage in Shirogane. thanks for answer and housing is endgame content isnt it ?
lyric summit
no it isn't
rose atlas
@inland plover this channel is usually for discussion of endgame trials/raids
shit like that
foggy latch
quick verge
why are both of them moving
just have nisis stand still so non nisis can touch them
and spread their disease
whatever nisi is
glossy musk
Cactbot now completely babies you through every step of wormhole. Incoming 1000 clears
stable basin
lf> cactbot triggers to help with alarm clock prog and gm gaol prog
quick verge
has he been unbanned yet
stable basin
til friday I think
quick verge
powerful
stable basin
the best part is they didn't even delete the alts
I swear if he actually gets banned for not deleting them on his own though...
nova socket
That'd be a funny meme.
quick verge
I swear he's gonna get perma'd
stable basin
probably tbh
When he disappeared mid-pull someone immediately asked if he was in GM gaol
nova socket
I don't think echo is this patch, at least it hasn't been mentioned yet
Will be slightly later most likely
stable basin
My cotank uhh
polar iron
Oh goddammit really
stable basin
So there's a guy, we'll call him Bobsun Dugnutt
rose atlas
yeeted?
stable basin
Who is not exactly popular
polar iron
I wanted to get pre echo logs for my smn since i started it recently that was a waste then
stable basin
And decided to change datacenters
polar iron
Couldve just done em later
stable basin
So my cotank made an alt named Bobsun Dugnutt on every Aether server
so he would have to change his name
rose atlas
go on
polar iron
Lmao
rose atlas
for those alts?
polar iron
Damn that sucks thouth
rose atlas
why?
polar iron
Its funny but that sucks lol
stable basin
I mean GMs can't say why but he's pretty sure that's why
stable basin
If you change servers and someone has your name you get a free name change
polar iron
They'd log you out and tell you to change it
rose atlas
larry had his as fucc boi
stable basin
lol
rose atlas
then gms made him change it
polar iron
Yea i saw someone named Inyo Ass and they just told him to change it too
stable basin
I remember when they'd just make a new name for you in LoL
Some guy posted about logging in and his acc was changed from Ocean of Semen to Ocean of VitaminC
polar iron
Lmao