the first one you can take with little mitigation
#endgame-lounge
rustic marsh
Yeah then living dead finally has a niche use
errant kayak
most of your cds have a long enough duration to last
stable basin
Hits are 5.5 seconds apart so
0 first hit (0 DMG)
5.5 second (Rampart+TBN+Missionary)
11 third (DM+Shadow Wall+stuff you used already)
16.5 fourth (TBN if you used it early for 2nd hit)
22 fifth (LD)
27.5 sixth (LD)
frosty stag
puddle goes wrong in titania EX
1 healer jumps off the cliff
easy fix
tawny elbow
gaunt trellis
suicide is not the answer!!
frosty stag
you die either way
unreal flax
loud cave
You. Don’t. Pay. For. My. 
polar iron
Someone worked really hard to make those fights y'all better respect the content
lyric summit
i worked really hard for my 12$ i can make other peoples lives miserable as much as i want for the next 720 hours
nimble glen
Hi
lyric summit
Hi
rose atlas
bye
lyric summit
bye
carmine pivot
Anyone have stats for total group DPS needed to clear each savage raid?
I googled it but information was sketchy at best
loud cave
E1S: 56.5k
E2S: 71k
E3S: 72k
E4S: 75k
carmine pivot
Thanks
plucky cape
are 2-4 stricter/harder or is that just because of the downtime(s) in 1?
quick verge
both
glossy musk
Both. 1 is about as hard as an ex primal
blazing elbow
depends on your role tbh
that, and no one can deny that the full party mechs in e1s can wipe the raid if even 1 or 2 people fuck em up
tit and inno don't really have mechanics like those
there's a huge jump in the healing requirement between ex primals and e1s
dusk willow
I'm looking for Dragoon stat priority. Can someone help me with that?
blazing elbow
!faq balance
storm frostBOT
blazing elbow
then join the dragoon channel
but to save you time here's the recommended bis https://ffxiv.ariyala.com/1A0WM
if you're asking about general priority it's gonna be crit > dh
rose atlas
grizzled ridge
RE: DPS required
you also get up to 20 item level difference
when savaged started iirc
savage*
going from 450-> 470
and 450 -> 460
stable basin
whats the easiest dps class for controller?
o and whats a good dps for tanks for eden? I've never messed with trackers and stuff before
lyric summit
I don't think any jobs suffer from button bloat atm
ranged have like the least skills
but you can play every job on controller well
tank dps depends on your gear, in bis its like 8500, in 450 around 7400 is good i think
stable basin
hmm I found RDM and SAM least taxing on controller
so it doesnt matter to ppl what dps class I pick if I wanna run higher content?
I don't know any rotations, I just spam face and my friend said I got 5k on e2n as DRK. How much does melding anything add?
lyric summit
quite a lot
drk is basically spam whatever you got but learning an opener and some basic optimization always helps
stable basin
I have all the 450 edengate armors and just the Ronkan sword...should I meld it? idk what to do for weapons lol...practice openers on a dummy? find a way to track dps? or just spam titania as much as I can?*maybe facet?
oh and food? right?
carmine pivot
@stable basin you should at least meld grade VI materia, yes find a way to track your dps, also keep in mind eden gate 450 isn't always bis vs crafted 450 vs Innocence EX accessories since they all have different secondary stats
There's also crafted 450 wep or Titania 450 wep depending which is your pre raid bis
Run your fflogs through https://xivanalysis.com as well to find stuff you're missing
stable basin
this is a competitive meta 😅
@carmine pivot it looks like all the biS are edengrace stuff...how do I find stuff thats not bis but will get me through? o.o
carmine pivot
Yeah eden grace and Aug deep shadow are bis but there's technically bis for the 450ilvl too, it's based on what secondary stats are priority for you
So like on my bard I take prices with DRH and CRT over anything with skill speed and det as the priority. Which results in a combination of crafted, deep shadow, and eden normal.
carmine pivot
Facts ^
lyric summit
if you have 450 and 460 you can start practicing savage
fresh sigil
How does the release schedule for FFXIV usually work? They will likely release 2 other raid parts + savage mode for them, a few dungeons, a few ultimate difficulty maps, a few trials? And then the next expansion?
lyric summit
5.1: 1 dungeon, 1 extreme, 1 ultimate (2 weeks after, in 5.11)
5.2: 2 dungeons, 1 trial nm and ex, new raid tier, 4 fights normal and savage
repeat for any 5.odd and 5.even patch
so 5.3 = 5.1, and 5.4 = 5.2
except most likely no 3rd ultimate
and probably some sort of shadowbringers eureka/diadem but that release schedule can't really be predicted
new 24man raids in odd patches too i guess, with upgrade materials for previous even patch tome gear
odd patches are kinda catch-up/filler, and even patches are the juicy bits
and all have more msq
fresh sigil
and how long does it usually take between patches?
steady pebble
roughly 3 mo
fresh sigil
and 5.5 would be 6 instead and the release of the new expansion?
lyric summit
5.1 will have the ex version of an already released trial, cause expac release, but 5.3 and 5.5 will have new normal trials as well as their extreme versions
we get x.5 patches
then something like x.55a and x.55b with mostly just msq to hype people up for the next expansion
and x.5 turns into x.0
fresh sigil
thank you
Do you know how long it will be until 5.2 will be released? I consider doing the raid blind on release.
steady pebble
probably late jan-early feb
fresh sigil
cool, so its a long time until then
(long time for me to play through shadowbringers)
rose atlas
ideas on new ulti?
lyric summit
warring triad but that would be p shit, or dragons like nidhogg and hraesvelgr but not enough content for that
alex weapons are way better than thordan so probably alex
but also depends which tier they use weapons from
stable basin
Unless they said something recently 3rd ultimate is still a strong possibility
They said they were surprised by how negative the feedback was on their decision to scrap the third ultimate in SB
glossy musk
Idiots. Anybody could have told them.
stable basin
¯_(ツ)_/¯
They said the feeling they got from the players after UCOB was "Wow, we're going to have to prog one of these every single tier?"
glossy musk
Which is stupid because I never heard a single person say that. Ever.
OF, reddit or twitter
Unless it’s JP OF
Like imagine thinking it’s better to go 6 months with no content
grizzled ridge
???
that's dumb
if you're doing ultimate
ignore the casuals
that's literally why they're there
to flex on casuals
foggy latch
im up for 3rd ultimate in x.51
given wait between x.51 and next expac is as long as waiting between x.11 - x.31
glossy musk
Yeah, otherwise everyone fucks off to other games like what happened with SB
mint falcon
It seems like SE is kinda divided on whether to include a 3rd ultimate or not from what I remember about ShB Q and A. Supposedly back when they released the UWU in 4.3, within the time span they gathered feedback it seemed that people didn't want a 3rd ultimate so they dropped it. Then when 4.5 dropped and they announced no 3rd ultimate, they got feedback that a lot of players were actually looking forward to a 3rd ultimate.
Overall, even though StB standardized the most of what to expect from the patch cycles, they're still making adjustments on what to include and remove based off player feedback.
foggy latch
no one said they dont want 3rd ultimate
so im questioning from where they gathered that feedback
unless its JP
but im pretty sure even jp questioned that decision too
they also were like
where is that feedback that said we dont want 3rd ultimate?
i didnt know how broken new ShB changes in prev ultimates til i did UCoB and we are skipping 30 secs of twintania enrage
wow
the power of extra main stats
lyric summit
1st ultimate feedback was "if you release this every odd patch you're gonna kill us"
but then everyone and their mother went back and cleared both ultimates in 4.5 cause there was nothing to do
wise igloo
I just started the Eureka stuff about a week ago and realized that it is pretty much dead all the time. Is there a separate discord that anyone knows of to find people who want to do that content?
lyric summit
there's an eureka discord but dunno how active it is currently, they mentioned they're working on making eureka more solo friendly but it'll take a few patches https://discordapp.com/invite/WBXw9pN
wise igloo
ty very much!
rose atlas
anyone know what meme shit people do to optimize their parses in each tier
im at the point where i wanna get better dps as war
heavy mist
Maximize your uptime
Probably the biggest thing assuming you are adjusting your IR to each fight
@rose atlas
rose atlas
i am
heavy mist
Each fight? Also e1s u have aoe cheese
E2S is dummy so lining things up and killing hopefully at good time
E3S is being big boi greed with all mechs and same for 4
From a general standpoint
Also sometimes it's just your crit rng luck. Need to run many times lol
assuming bis and rotation is correct
rose atlas
rotation is solid but not bis yet
stable basin
E1S has the super pepega laser strat but mostly it's about finding a bad enough party that you almost hit enrage
E2S is manmode flares
E3S is also manmode flares and I've heard there's a super crazy strat that lets big splashy tank keep uptime in tsu2 but idk what it is
Also skipping smokers
E4S has some super sketch stuff you can do in P1 with gapclosing after the car and invulning reckless driving instead of steppies
But that seems pretty bad for the rest of your party making them run over
Otherwise mostly just uptime+crit RNG
quick verge
!wl 200008604420407297
storm frostBOT
quick verge
hit bis and confirm that you're playing well in each fight
jaunty quail
does anyone have a link for PLD BiS?
stable basin
2.40 gcd bis from the balance https://ffxiv.ariyala.com/1AXH3
uncut charm
@stable basin iirc it is party and big aoe tank directly opposite diagonally with the tank at max melee
Haven't seen or tried it myself tho
hot torrent
I heard a monk wanted a regen for anatman in e4s I’m just curious as to why it would need it.
foggy latch
mnk need regen for anatman in every fight
so they make act follow the ticks time
so they time anatman right before tick moment to instantly get greased lightning tick before gcd ready and lose nothing
hot torrent
Thanks !
limpid lake
Hello , not sure if this is the right place to ask , but i entered e3s as pld for the first time yesterday (already cleared as dps) , and was wondering when are the right timings for provokes? E.g for the second buster if the strat used was invul>invul>share>share
Also , is shirk needed for a buster share? Cuz i always thought it was needed unless im mistaken
limpid lake
Didnt manage to reach that far so didnt get ti try but ye , that was the strat we agreed on
quick verge
isn't needed if they have aggro stance on
foggy latch
as for shirk its not that much required if you provoke on castbar
limpid lake
Thing was i voked during the cast bar bur i didnt manage to get the 2nd hit of thr buster , had tank stance on too , was it cause i didnt voke late enough into the cast?
foggy latch
since provoke now give you more aggro ahead of 1st guy no more just 1 point
was the guy in burst window during said moment?
foggy latch
cause thats only reason to lose aggro after provoke
limpid lake
Not sure but he was playing a war
rose atlas
@limpid lake if you have a war cotank optimal way to share busters are
war/you/share/war
foggy latch
provoke around 75% of cast is safest
limpid lake
I seee okay , thanks for making things clearer loll x.x
foggy latch
flare on max melee isnt that bad though u need some mitigation
rose atlas
id try it but
id probably be yelled at
even if i mitigate party with shake
but thats just shake
foggy latch
and assuming you would skip smokers
you will only see it at stormy
rose atlas
i never skip smokers
limpid lake
For the invul tho , is it normal for me to voke early to get main aggro ? Like on 2nd buster , e.g right before first tsunami cast , or could i wait till temporary comes out then i voke ? Cuz i getting shirked before voking .. made things complicated
limpid lake
Okay 😅 cuz wasnt sure if that affected my aggro struggle for the share on 3rd
Thanks again!
uncut charm
@foggy latch invul the 3rd so you can kitchen sink and eat the temp current during stormy horizon
foggy latch
iirc ppl share 3rd cause ppl are stacked for most part til stormy
glossy musk
Yeah
visual whale
So for E4S, what is O3YL strat? What L stands for?
stable basin
That means the oranges go to the quadrant with three safe spots and the yellow move (L)aterally
foggy latch
1 yellow on 3 safespots side along with orange ( almost always dps )
1 yellow on 2 safespots ( last marked guy healer/tank )
hazy crypt
This looks good to me.
rose atlas
i cry
blazing elbow
nothin wrong with blue
stable basin
The rank inflation is real
I didn't expect things to keep going up so hard after week 8
quick verge
gotta get ready for the unending coil of alexander (ultimate) in 1 month
stable basin
9.1k on voidwalker last week was barely orange then and purple now
lyric summit
it's gonna be alexander timeless something
timeless legend and gonna cast timeless gavel and timeless inception or something
quick verge
you see
the fight is actually unending
because alexander will just yeet everyone backwards in time before it dies
blazing elbow
yeah, but i think rank inflation is beginning to slow down for non healers
the last few weeks, the rank inflation has been real for healers because we're finally getting our weapons
at least the unlucky ones
7.9k voidwalker on scholar is only 90th percentile now, and 7.1k was 95th like 3-4 weeks ago
quick verge
people are rediscovering the power of a spreadsheet
blazing elbow
right those balance spreadsheets for healers
but even still
healers tend to get their weapons last, so this kind of jump isn't usual for us this late in the tier
isn't unusual*
blazing elbow
oof
rose atlas
dont think so
rose atlas
im lazy
uncut charm
Inflation is still going pretty strong I guess.
People are padding hard on 1s
2s is also popular cos it's essentially a dummy fight of sorts
My rank 2 void walker about 1.5 week ago is now rank 7
rose atlas
how long does bis gear stay bis
stable basin
bis gear will be obsoleted twice more during shadowbringers
Every savage tier brings a higher max ilvl and it's 3 tiers per expansion
Though there might also be some shenanigans at the end with relics like in sb
stable basin
relic will probably be bis in like 5.55
torn kindle
Relic only becomes BiS at the very end, and even then it’s after the last raid has been out for a while
vale dagger
Is it okay for healers to be grey in savage?
quick verge
no
lyric summit
only in healing
vale dagger
Thank you, I was wondering if healers got a pass on dpsing if fhey are healing mostly
glass gale
can I wing it with eden normal or should I do my homework
steady pebble
you can go into normal mode blind for the most part
that said, you can make the rest of your group's life a bit easier if you do go in having looked at a guide but its not necessary
glass gale
i'll give them a quick read over then
foggy latch
normal mode should be clearable with no prior knowledge
lyric summit
right now yeah, as the only blind person out of 8, but you'll spend a lot of time on the floor
not like 8 people trying it blind are gonna clear every nm fight on first pull
umbral saffron
I remember doing normal blind when it first released so the whole group was blind. Wiped on Leviathan for sure since no one knew what Undersea Quake did lol. Whole party got killed when the middle of the stage got destroyed. Other than that though, there weren't any full blown wipes.
grim lance
can someone here elaborate on what y1o2y3 is
I know it's supposed to be second uplift, orange goes to 2-safe-spot side
but what's the y1/y3 for
rose atlas
3 yellow in 3 safe spot
stable basin
probably yl
Which is more accurate than y2
Because it's really o3y3y2
or just yl
Anyways yl/y2 means yellow move laterally
and only orange really has to look at the safe spots
grim lance
it's been answered since I asked
"It's late reply but y1o2y3 refers to merry go round positioning in phase 3 I believe. Yellow goes to first explosion, orange goes to 2nd and second yellow goes to third explosion "
it has nothing to do with uplift
related though, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/448209053743579186/631668987507507201/unknown.png
it's not o2y3 or y2o3, it specifically includes the y1
foggy latch
@umbral saffron pretty sure levi break sides 1st in NM
@umbral saffron so you cant have 0 idea what is it by the time u see it again
uncut charm
NM is break sides yes, then alternates as usual
People should pick up the pattern fast
umbral saffron
you can if you didn't notice his heads move the first time and assumed he was breaking sides again lol
which i'd say is pretty fair considering 7 other people died with me at the same exact time
brave kestrel
does the e4s weapon coffee drop if there is only one chest?
nova socket
It's rng
brave kestrel
Ok thanks!
rose atlas
what hp % should titan be at for each transition
lyric summit
70 for p2 and 26-28 for p3 if you're like tight on dps
but generally lower than that with current gear
lyric summit
most likely not hitting dps checks because it's prog
people focusing on mechanics and not greeding/optimizing
plus titan p1 is the hardest thing this tier
quick verge
Dimensional Shift
rose atlas
yeah p1 is p punishing
hit by fast bombs?
dmg down
hit by weight?
dmg down
its like
damn, id rather be dead
heavy mist
hit by weight oof
quick verge
only rough thing about phase 1 is uptime
foggy latch
70%?
this is not week 1
i killed him in an attempt where titan was 74% at P1 transition
quick verge
interesting
dull radish
70% still remains as a metric of, if you keep up your performance from P1 throughout the fight, you'll want to be around 70% at transition to clear in time
if people are less bad at P2 and P3 you can get away with higher than 70% yeah, but it's still a good number to shoot for, especially since more gear makes it much easier to hit that target anyways
glossy musk
70% is pretty much the bare minimum to clear at enrage
But by this point you should be far past that
dull radish
yeah
foggy latch
nova socket
nova socket
static gave it to me cus other tank has it alrd
stable basin
Killed half the party with earthen anguish because I didn't realize pugs don't stand there for it
Still cleared first pull
worthy tree
are all jobs viable for endgame content?
dull radish
yep
worthy tree
great, ty!
rose atlas
except blu
lyric summit
job =/= limited job
nova socket
@stable basin
quick verge
i see
nova socket
I have pld weapon on alt that doesnt have pld as well
still rocking titania weapon on both
foggy latch
dull radish
mm yet another video of this
quick verge
you didn't even need to do the chad dodge for this pattern
lyric summit
do it for the vine youtube vid
rose atlas
300 iq
sterile badger
Can you endless grind the eden savage books? Or can you only do that once per week?
uncut charm
once per week
wicked musk
What secondary stats do dragoons take now?
torn kindle
!faq drgmeld
storm frostBOT
wicked musk
thanks
stable basin
nova socket
the most challenging content
lyric summit
you can just right click the names in kagerou and they get blurred
or there's an option in the dropdown in top right
if that's kagerou, idk
quick verge
show the numbers
nova socket
didnt know if I should crop or not cus in other games discords Ive gotten hard nazi'd for showing dps meters
dull radish
yeah you're fine to show numbers, just names are good to blur out like Vis mentioned
steady pebble
the only thing that's of real concern here is showing names
nova socket
@uncut charm are we over thinking this or is this normal
uncut charm
with current gear thats overkill
quick verge
what mechanic is this for
uncut charm
2s flares
With gear you can just like do max melee in a triangle formation with soil
uncut charm
I mean, just saying what works now
uncut charm
foggy latch
@nova socket how dare u not clear before august
nova socket
u2
foggy latch
didnt ppl do that like in week 2?
vale dagger
Hope you hardcore players are ready for the Ultimate reveal tomorrow!
Which fight are you hoping is revealed tomorrow? I am hoping its Waring Triad
quick verge
alexander
dull radish
A to the L to the E X Ander
zealous badge
Thordan, Nidhogg, and Shinryu back to back
polar iron
Good king moggle mog XII
sharp olive
2.x primals ultimate
Cystal tower ultimate
I'm jesting hopefully it is alexander
otherwise i'll be in exponential entropy
uncut charm
Opening fights: Oppressor > Cruise Chaser > Alexander Prime
Boss: Brute Justice > Brute Justice Winged Mode
acoustic galleon
Is the 5.1 trailer out yet?
acoustic galleon
Oh
vale dagger
Nomore Moogle fights!
blazing elbow
thornmarch (ultimate)
stable basin
EoAU
EoAU
John Madden
torn kindle
Friendly reminder that this is still a serious channel. *insert comfy blob emote here*
lyric summit
tea ultimate 
sleek moth
I have noticed people selling "pre-orders" for clears of the new ultimate content, surely that's against ToS?
stable basin
Selling clears for gold is within ToS
And they give details on discord so you can't prove to the GMs that it's for cash
Obvious loophole but it works
rose atlas
oh no
dull radish
oh yes~
rose atlas
im going to cry
hold me
weapons will prob be the alexander tier weapons
fuck, i gotta do this
but of all the bosses to start with
vale dagger
You hardcore players got your wish! So no salts for the multiple wipes lol
foggy latch
i didnt expect his return tbh
quick verge
I did tbh
I was wondering how they were going to incorporate all of Alexander into a fight
or the iconic parts of it
I'm looking forward to learning how magnets work
foggy latch
quick verge
boomer memes
small kite
What jobs are meta for each role atm? I'm just coming back and plan to raid fairly hardcore, so I want to invest my time in a few classes wisely
lyric summit
!faq meta
storm frostBOT
lyric summit
literally play whatever because everything can clear content just as easily
rose atlas
what would be a good starting point for ultimates
EoA looks amazing but i have no prior exp with ultis
but i still want to go into this one
zealous badge
I still need to prog UwU for my RDM totem weapon...
lyric summit
get a competent static and go into the new ultimate
same as starting a savage tier or something
knowing old fights won't help you much
plus it's a static durability challenge for the most part, so get people you'll have fun with and know won't implode bringing half the static down with them
plus it's a static durability challenge for the most part, so get people you'll have fun with and know won't implode bringing half the static down with them
nova socket
Just get 7 other pepegas and go in
lyric summit
people are gonna prog it for like the next 2 years so it's not like there's any rush
a loooot of people cleared ultimate in the 4.5+ content drought
small kite
Do you level sync down to the old ones? or are they much easier now
rose atlas
not only that but you need specific sets for each ultimate
lyric summit
not really
lyric summit
ilvl is so high by now you meet the secondary stat caps with current gear
!faq ultimatesync
storm frostBOT
dull radish
you'll lose a few points of secondaries with synced gear in the above image, but it's very minimal
dull radish
I was thinking about it but editing it a few times then just kinda ended up with that haha
but yeah, stats are synced per secondary at a specific ilvl. If you're above that, you'll cap both secondaries
in the case above, if you meld something other than det, you get slightly more than 160+160 points that you would get from a synced piece of gear--instead you get 160+112+80 (or if it's not eureka gear, just +40 instead of the +80)
lot of cases this can mean little to no difference, and depending on what stats you go for it can still be better to go in with the synced gear anyways
but either way, going in with synced gear vs non-synced is very close and won't make much of a difference
sharp vine
btw for SAM materia crit or skill speed for next patch?
lyric summit
!faq balance
storm frostBOT
lyric summit
ask the samurain brains there
quick tartan
rose atlas
@dull radish sorry to ping but if my whole set is 470+ will all pieces technically be bis for uwu
dull radish
I never mind pings really as long as there's a point to them. BiS won't necessarily be all 470+ pieces since there might be some min-maxing for secondaries or whatever else. But it's really close enough that you're plenty fine going with all synced gear like that
limpid trout
you lose the stats from yr materia on any piece of gear that ilvl syncs, so the only pieces that are true bis for ultimate are those that are the exact ilvl as the cap
lyric summit
no, we just talked about this, scroll up
lower secondaries on current gear are high enough to be basically equal to appropriate ilvl with melds
quick verge
don't worry
quasi coral
The real question is what your heal logs are for Titan
uncut charm
Heals
stable basin
Watch out bois I got gold parse healing to tanks on e1s as drg
Which I assume everyone gets by default on dps if they don't have any heals/shields
quick verge
here's my healing logs
uncut charm
Disrespecting content huh
quick verge
you know it
quasi coral
What the actual hell
serene lotus
0% uptime on Thunder 3, but he still lost a proc
Did he... did he use Thunder 4 on a single enemy?
analog sand
@rose atlas What tool is that?
rose atlas
mint falcon
So I cleared e1s in a learning party a few hours ago, but I still think I need more practice. Should I join other learning parties or clear parties?
heavy mist
if u know everything but wanna clean it up then join clear parties
@mint falcon
or page runs
or 0/1 chests
mint falcon
Got it. Thanks.
coarse radish
elder stratus
What will the gear lvl requirement be for the nier collaboration raid?
minor halo
that raid is gonna be 80-man, right?
hushed light
rancid quiver
imagine an 80man raid monkaW
serene lotus
Oh, god, please no
rose atlas
non duty complete parties are clown fiestas
my cotank almost killed me
twice
never saw past tsunami 2
and did literally kill me
violet cosmos
Pls teach the way of Titania ex 
sharp vine
yes but for 1st phase beam bait, left right are melee DPS
robust bough
On the spinnies part. Is the boss damaging the tanks?
serene lotus
All autos stop during both dimensional shifts
quasi coral
For spinny we have the MT bait the N orb but yes that works
Ideally I think the S orb should be baited by a tank as well, but it's really just to speed things up
nova socket
We have caster bait it rn, ot works as well and doesn't really make difference
serene lotus
I just decided to bait it as tank because I don't trust pugs
quasi coral
Saves caster GCDs. Specifically can sub out the WHM so they can holy spam the Meteors, allowing everyone else to maintain uptime on the boss
2 Tanks, SCH/AST, and pRanged bait. WHM holy spam + Assize for the kills, everyone else focuses on boss
nova socket
O ye mos groups dont have ranged cus not optimal babyrage
we have bard + healer bait sides, mt north and ot jacks off
copper sluice
whats the usual level of popularity for tanks in raiding
quasi coral
Depends on the meta. PLD and GNB are really popular right now. DRK and WAR less so
Stand slightly corrected
PLD > DRK > GNB > WAR is the "popularity"
copper sluice
thanks
turbid arch
I think all tanks besides WAR are pretty close in popularity.
blazing elbow
pld is most played tank in savage by quite a wide margin. gnb/drk are fairly close together with war least popular.
honestly it’s more like pld >> drk =~ gnb > war
play the one you think is most fun. There are some minor issues but overall the tanks are balanced very well
blazing elbow
drk is probably my favorite
tbn is amazing, and it punishes you if you use it wrong
living dead is pretty meme in pugs though
limpid trout
war would be so much nicer to play in dungeons if mythril tempest granted storm's eye
quick verge
they also need to make nascent flash last for 25 seconds
undone solstice
Yeah the popularity of the tanks, just going by E4S as that is the fairest baseline to judge the population of savage by, we have ~10.6k PLD clears, 7.7k drk, 6,5 GUN, and 4.8 WAR
I don't know why DRK is so high but the other three make sense
GUN is best DPS but lower play rate because its a new job people are not fully comfortable with. PLD is 2nd most DPS and the only tank job that doesnt have to break off from titan thanks to holy spirit
And then WAR is 3rd best DPS so it makes sense to be down there.
I guess people just like dark knight? Idk.
heavy mist
cause DRK is comfy af
undone solstice
nova socket
but also big sword
rose atlas
p sure drk does a bit more than war
undone solstice
Nah
Most people seem to think that.
But war does just an itty bitty teensy tiny bit more
8445 vs 8416
At 99th %
The difference is practically nothing though
vale dagger
Are these the max numbers for personal DPS?
undone solstice
Rdps
The max numbers are still rdps
Just the highest that has been recorded
And usually involve a bit of cheese and weird team comps to ensure 100% uptime for the person they are trying to give the 100%
And is absurd rng crit luck.
Usually somewhere in the 70-80%
undone solstice
SAM shouldn't be though.
Its PERSONAL dps should be high
But its rdps should not beat out monk or dragoon
vale dagger
But BLM is up there lol
undone solstice
Cause BLM requires you to have the most fight knowlege of any role.
You have to move as little as possible and have all your triple and swiftcasts exactly when you need them.
SAM has free mobility and very few positionals to hit.
Yes sam is in a weak spot, and its pdps should be a lot higher, but it should not be doing more.raid damage than the jobs that require more fight and team knowlege.
rose atlas
ok yeah war and drk are around the same now
nova socket
sam should be higher than monk at least
rose atlas
uh
glossy musk
WAR just has issues with holmgang which hopefully will be fixed
undone solstice
Monk is way harder to play properly, and you need everyone on your team to play optimally to get the most out of your brotherhoods
nova socket
why should it be highest dps and have mantra
glossy musk
Mantra LOL
rose atlas
its super busy with positionals
glossy musk
Oh boy mantra
rose atlas
when i see a mnk
nova socket
"muh rotation"
rose atlas
as a war i rejoice
nova socket
every spec is braindead dps
undone solstice
Excuse
1 time
Phase 3 E4S tumults
glossy musk
Just slap down a sacred soil EZ
rose atlas
just use shields
glossy musk
But yeah we use mantra for bigger deploys and that’s about it
And it’s getting nerfed for some joke of a reason
uncut charm
Might be useful in coming ultimate again
Big deploy
Like the golden Bahamut transition part
undone solstice
Mantra isnt exactly raid utility.
Its like
Raid convience?
It wont save you ever
But it might let your WHM get another glare off
undone solstice
"Mnk is too strong. Should we nerf forbidden chakra?"
"No. Mantra."
glossy musk
Like their personal DPS should be a smidgen higher due to MNK bringing brotherhood
But that’s it
rose atlas
like i said
glossy musk
Mantra isn’t a thing in this
rose atlas
brotherhood is gud
undone solstice
Yeah
Their pdps should beat monk.
I completely agree.
But monk should still have higher raid dps cause of brotherhood
rose atlas
mnk is only highest dps for melee
highest dps is still blm
if played optimally
cough
glossy musk
GCBTW
vale dagger
Well I hope 5.1 fixes that, because I know some SAMs I played with are unhappy where its at currently. And sorry for the late reply duty popped. @undone solstice
stable basin
it's ogcd
and I think they're adjusting it to 3 stacks?
Actually seems like a decent fix
At least my gold parse sam friend thought it was so I'll just parrot him
undone solstice
Basically what they are doing
Is that now instead of having dead skill
They have to do the shitty monk thing
And weave meditate between GCDs to get 1 stack
quick verge
it's a good fix
getting meditate stacks for burning sen and shit
but you can go beyond and meditate fish every 60s
so download them server tick trackers
stable basin
ppl already meditate fish
quick verge
:)
stable basin
It's just not nearly anatman level optimization
Real skill in SAM is dcritting more of your midares anyway :^)
quick verge
the optimization of anatman is using the ACT plugin so your opener starts and ends at the time it should
absolutely necessary compared to meditate
heavy mist
just depends on if the skill only removes 3 or removes all of it and u need 3 to activate etc
nova socket
I got weapon and am finally 470 peepohappy
cursive dragon
skipping story line vs playing ARR-SB for endgame?
glossy musk
skip story
have no idea wtf is going on
Yes do that.
glad tapir
does anyone already know what the ilvl requirement will be for the new 24 men raid?
foggy latch
i435
steady pebble
435 most likely
foggy latch
always have 25 ilvl difference butween entry and drops in 24 man
glad tapir
and it will likely drop ilvl 460 gear!?
steady pebble
yeah
glad tapir
dull radish
slightly better if you're looking for a very specific sort of drop, probably
but if you're not looking for a specific drop then worse unless they up the count of drops
well, middle ground I guess is where it's bad, if you truly don't care at all what you get and roll on everything you'll end up with something
quick verge
reinstate greed only
rose atlas
what are ways to keep tank uptime in e3s
valid agate
stacking for stormy and killing before roiling pulse are big ones
ive never been able to find anything for tsunami 2 if you get Scouring except "get lucky and don't get Scouring"
civic cargo
How good is Gunbreaker for solo raiding? (i.e. how Paladin and Warrior can solo the ARR raids at 70)
I'm not familiar with its toolkit so I'm not sure if I should pick it up to skip the 50-60 grind on my paladin for the time being
lyric summit
you can keep uptime in roiling pulse, we did tanks in north corners and party max melee on outer platforms
civic cargo
I mean for stuff like final coil, how is its self sustain? I know Paladin has heals, and Warrior has leech, but have no clue how GNB works
lyric summit
the healing is pretty minimal compared to the 3 other tanks but I dunno, depends on the stuff you wanna do, pld will always be able to solo stuff no one else can @civic cargo
civic cargo
hm, 150 potency heal and shield but only a two hit combo to trigger it, and a 200 potency HoT for 18 seconds. The former is actually a lot better than I expected
lyric summit
it ticks for like 4k with 135k hp
healing potencies are nowhere near equal between healers and other roles
civic cargo
I'd imagine, since you get nowhere near as much mind as a tank xP
lyric summit
i'm not sure if it scales off of mind tbf
vercure scales off of int if i remember correctly
steady pebble
I would assume it works a bit like clemency and scales off of str but not as much?
lyric summit
yeah just some general stat fuckery
rose atlas
yeah what does clemancy/equilibrium scale off
its weird
it would make sense to be str
blazing elbow
I know for a fact equil scales off attack power since in the past warriors would sometimes use it under berserk if called for
clemency might be the same, not sure
pretty sure second wind scales off attack power too if it matters
undone solstice
All the tank heals scale off of tenacity, at least that is the only stat outside of max HP I have seen actually effect my equilibrium amounts.
They dont have a main stat they scale with
Which is why they heal so much less than healer heals despite being a way higher potency
steady pebble
@dull radish you know what tank healing scales off of?
blazing elbow
I’ll bet the pants i’m wearing that equil/clem scale off attack power
cant google it now but you all can
both those skills existed before tenacity so it isnt that, even if they do influence heals
dull radish
pretty sure it's AP yeah
stable basin
Pretty sure it's strength/ap
ten isn't a main stat, heals do scale with it but so does everything else
blazing elbow
strength is part of ap, ya
the key is that the old berserk made equil heal more
So it’s ap
limpid trout
now that smn physick is gone, all heals scale with the job that uses them's primary stat
str for clemency, eq and aurora, int for vercure, etc
true tapir
What's the process to unlocking ultimates and the sigmascape savages?
Where do I start
Nvm I think I got it
ocean otter
Endgame indeed
quick verge
robust bough
Which materia should i put on tank
robust bough
oh sorry should have mention that, gunbreaker
rose atlas
mmm
glossy musk
It depends on your ilvl but until max ilvl you're mostly going DH > Crit
glossy musk
make sure you get 2.40 GCD
glossy musk
When you're BIS you'll start swapping some DH for crit
rose atlas
and as a war who shares gear with gnb i just neglect dh on gnb
robust bough
direct hit is what affect gcd?
rose atlas
no
rose atlas
is that the 2.40 bis
robust bough
oh i see, but just curious, what affect my gdc like as lower it
rose atlas
whats your gcd
glossy musk
skill speed
quaint marten
The stat you are lookig for is skillspeed.
glossy musk
You want AT LEAST 2.40. Anything higher and you're losing cartridges in no mercy windows
rose atlas
yeah anything higher than 2.4 is a dps loss
glossy musk
anything lower won't give you more cartridges but it will give you more wiggle room
rose atlas
yeah good enough
glossy musk
Yeah
robust bough
after that just follow that guide. well atleast try to ?]
robust bough
thanks a lot
pallid vigil
What's the best way to scare the shit outta your party without killing them in either of the 4 savage fights? Asking for a friend
quick verge
stand near the party with rip current
eat temporary current as a tank
gap close the knockback during car
blazing elbow
true
quick verge
stand on the same side as titan's plate fracture target
pallid vigil
During the different Delta attack stack with the party and move before it goes out 
quick verge
stack 2 flares on the party in 2s
pallid vigil
Leeroy into the party and yeet back during Stonecrusher
glossy musk
Oh there’s a few ways to spook people as the tank. Most involve knowing when the damage is calculated and moving so the animation looks like it hits other people
I do it with stonecrusher all the time
winged glen
you monster
glossy musk
Last night though
Kyoko my WHM was giving me shit
During e2s
So I hallowed ground and ran a cleaver into her
And then our SCH tried to avenge her by rescuing me off the side
blazing elbow
tanks are vengeful gods
blazing elbow
u sound like my gnb lol
a few weeks ago he ran into the party and slightly clipped me with megalith
on purpose
glossy musk
Hahaha we have fun times
LOL
Yes! The very first time we did e4s
I inched my way in on stonecrusher
And hit ONLY Kyoko
I was so proud
blazing elbow
assassinating only 1 party member with aoes like that must be so satisfying
uncut charm
@quick verge don't forget stand within gap close distance during roiling pulse flare and gap close once flare icon is gone
stable basin
Best animation for scaring people is the homing laser before annihilation
blazing elbow
uwu has a number of spoopy animations
satin animation going off, that one fuck running too soon at the end of predation and suppression for the feather rain
not pushing suppression properly and experiencing that extra vulcan burst is terrifying too if your shielder isnt paying attention
quick verge
just skip roiling or max mitigate it
pallid vigil
@glossy musk I once scared the shit outta my first static by running into them with Spear of Justice
serene lotus
Aiming between people with the laser in E1S is a good scare
quasi coral
It doesn't scare my group but it scares pugs - I always invuln the TB in E3S without leaving the Asylum bubble, which leaves me really close to the group
green dew
So I'm super new, right now just trying to level up through the msq, but what kind of end game stuff is there to do? Raids or such?
stable basin
Extreme difficulty trials and Savage difficulty raids, the raids of which typically unlock an ultimate difficulty fight
there's a lot of other things you can do too, but gearing is most important for those above
green dew
as to be expected lol. For now I guess I'll focus on getting my jobs leveled, and getting weaver up
storm frostBOT
lusty basin
dnc buff is basically what it was back in beta/preview before launch basically what i knew what was wrong with it
lyric summit
it's just a 3.5% buff according to early calculations, not that significant
quick verge
good meme
every mnk is having a meltdown but it'll fine
some dipshit is gonna create a way to get those sweet GL stacks
lyric summit
last I heard they're considering anatman prepull and starting opener after getting a tick after pull when they're pulled into combat
not sure how serious that is but 
quick verge
extremely
vale dagger
Did they calculate where SAM is now?
quaint marten
not yet. it cant even be tested yet.
vale dagger
I really do hope its a nice buff
rose atlas
so its a gcd now
heavy mist
anatman prepull is actually the play
eternal jacinth
Is it possible to own a FC house and a personal house?
lyric summit
yes, also #questions-and-help
rapid sapphire
my completely made up in my head napkin math says sam is getting a 5% buff on the assumption that shoha is used as another ogcd when available. if not then neutral to a nerf (2%) to combo potency going down
lavish turtle
Hello everyone. I'm resubscribing soon and looking for a complex dps job to main any recommendations? (previously played rdm)
Oops wrong chat for this
foggy latch
rustic marsh
in a DPS sense is it always better for melee to bait puddles in E1S, i know ranged will miss a few gcds otherwise
it doesnt really seem that hard since all melee has to do is use true north
dull radish
it's objectively better for tank/melee to bait, yes
dull radish
yeahhh
tank/melee shouldn't lose anything for it. While some of the ranged jobs (especially physical ranged) can bait at range at no loss, at the very minimum you're costing your healers some damage. But folks often just don't really care in pf
rustic marsh
yeah i dont blame them
pf is a cluster fuck as it is and is a few 100 more dps gonna make that big of a difference? if youre gonna wipe on that much amount of damage theres probably no hope anyway
dull radish
it's honestly less messy for tanks/melee to bait the puddles too but it's mostly whatever yeah
rustic marsh
ppls minds work weird
foggy latch
its funny when u see E1S logs party
and melees say rangers and healers bait
and say we never heard of tanks/melee bait strat
which i seen plenty of em
glossy musk
Lmao wtf
rustic marsh
lyeah
im doing a pug pf for e1s but im afraid of even suggesting melee bait puddles cus ill get melee that are like EWWW
(im drg myself)
thorn bear
don't understand melees that have trouble with it
when we got a dragoon in my previous static, he said that we should get ranged to bait
because he had troubles with the puddles
glossy musk
Imagine not just locking on and holding a
sterile badger
any folks here know how to find a linkshell that focuses on ixion farming? I really want to nab that mount
stable basin
so I've heard some complaints that ff14's end game is too "easy"
is there any truth to that? I come from a WoW background, so it'd be cool to know how their raiding scenes compare to one another
lyric summit
no
quasi coral
Depends on the person.
WoW, to me, felt a lot more like a "raid". Large scale, lots of people and things. FF raiding feels a lot more precise and mapped for each individual player.
As far as difficulty, it's 100% personal preference and what you consider to be the endgame.
A lot of people can't even do Savage raids.
Some have difficulty with Extreme Trials.
Some people struggle with early prog but can clear Savage later with gear.
Some people consider all of that easy and go for Ultimates.
As far as Ultimate goes, I don't think i've heard even the best players call it "easy"
And for some people they take the "easy" stuff, usually Savage, and turn it competitive aiming for speed kills, which is something else entirely.
lyric summit
with enough practice and experience everything can be made easy
goes for both wow and ffxiv
with good enough people ultimate can be easy too, had miracle days with 3 ucob clears back to back
rapid sapphire
a lot of the high end players calling 14's raid content easy goes down to most content is on a set timeline rather than elements the player and group have to react to (o9s fire/water starting phase being random but the sequences within the branches were still static)
stable basin
yeah I see
I just want there to be an actual sense of progression
where you can't just beat the current tier raid content in one sitting
and have to progress through it because of its difficulty
is ff14 more in line with that?
heavy mist
Oh theres definitely progression
Even if u look at liek world first only a small handful of people can beat the tier really really quick in blind prog. You can get good mileage out of savage. But Ultimate is where the long grind is
lyric summit
8man raids get released in normal and savage, if you mean like different difficulties of the same content
and normal/extreme trials i guess
ultimates are fully separate fights, 24mans are fully separate raids
there's "hard mode"s of dungeons but it basically just means a new dungeon in the same location lore-wise
rapid sapphire
alliance raids are on paper easier than 8 person normal mode raids, although tell that to the randoms who can't do mechanics in wiping weeping city, rabenasty or monastery (and they are all old content)
quaint marten
Theres also the 56man 2hour raid with limited ress.
stable basin
@harsh storm dms :U
sharp vine
btw is it faster to LB on the boss during uplift 2 on E4S instead LB the rock
sick tinsel
is it worth it upgrading pentamelded 450 to 460 this upcoming patch
rose atlas
you'll be able to upgrade 460 into 470 w/o savage
but depending on the stats youre speccing you might only need a few pieces
dull radish
if you're talking about the augmented crafted gear that's coming with the patch, generally pentamelded stuff will have more value than the 460. Might depend on job/piece specifically, but I wouldn't really recommend the upgrade if you've pentamelded the 450 already @sick tinsel
@sharp vine generally you want to ranged (or caster) LB the gaols + boss, and that's more worthwhile because it's more damage than a single target LB, and breaks the healers out quicker, gaining them extra GCD
rose atlas
can caster hit both?
dull radish
if you position them properly, you can hit both + boss yeah
caster LB is pretty big. It can be a bit awkward to aim during uplifts though
rose atlas
nice
dull radish
and if you have like BLM for example you sure as heck want your ranged to do it instead
rose atlas
yeah since ranged lb does more than caster
rose atlas
it does?
dull radish
yes
rose atlas
what are lb potencies?
dull radish
we only have old potencies which are kinda eh to still keep going by
but that relationship still stands nonetheless
dull radish
nah, caster is definitely stronger. Ranged LB can reach a little further if you really need the line AoE. But really it's about what it's costing you from the player being in animation lock, and if you can take advantage of the extra potency from caster LB
ranged LB + cleaves takes care of the gaols pretty dang quick anyways, and you can get some potent caster cleaves
rose atlas
actually now that i think about it
if titan breaks a gaol and gets dmg up
do you think a tank lb would save the party or does he just get dmg up permamently
dull radish
uh, titan gets a dmg up from a gaol breaking?
I don't think I've experienced a gaol going off
rose atlas
if he breaks the gaol by breaking the platform its on
dull radish
learn something new every day, I suppose
stable basin
My group had the south tank stand as close to the center as possible and the RDM used a /ac "limit break" <2> macro
And pretty sure you're just screwed if that happens
dull radish
probably
quick verge
it's permanent
the damage up, if Titan breaks a gaol
if the earthen fury doesn't kill you, it'll be the tumults
which do like 70k each hit on a tank iirc
rose atlas
F
sweet blade
Looks like the HP threshold for Hades phase 1 might be 10%
lusty oak
Hows NIN