Dancer is a lot fun but can be boring if your rng is awful
#endgame-lounge
vale dagger
proper wind
Is it better to bring for example a Monk instead of a Dancer numbers wise? Or will the buff that the Dancer brings to their partner and occasionally the Raid better for overall DPS?
stable basin
Unless that MNK is your third melee it will increase group dps considerably
lyric summit
yeah they're completely different dps roles so it's not like they compete for a spot
safe totem
https://ffxiv.ariyala.com/1AR1A Did I put too much crit in?
serene lotus
As long as you don't cap it too hard you can't really out "too much"
safe totem
What would be the upper limit for it then?
safe totem
I may just try to maximize my crit then
hazy crypt
Haha.
Yoshi-P concerned about players not wanting to raid.
Guess what, I still ain't raidin'.
Checkmate Yoshida.
normal grove
Quick question
With machinist, do I always use Automaton Queen whenver it's available?
In terms of dps
Or is it better to wait until 100 energy?
lyric summit
it deals the same amount of damage per battery no matter at how much you summon it so optimally you'd want to summon it for raid buffs like litany, divination, chain strategem, brotherhood etc
(same amount of damage as in, if you summon it at 50 battery its attacks do half the damage as if you summoned it at 100)
((but you can summon her twice with 50 battery))
(((so it doesn't matter except for raid buffs)))
rose atlas
what % should leviathan be at by smokers
lyric summit
in current gear like 10-15%
with bad dps in fear of enrage, check some week 1 kill vids
rose atlas
glossy musk
At this point you can skip smokers but that would be assuming you’re geared enough. If you’ve got 10% you’re solid
I think 16% is the worst you can be at for smokers
To have a chance
stable basin
Alright boys no excuses for 15+ minute expert runs
lyric summit
hps on dps tab 
stable basin
I put overlay on clickthrough and ignore the other tabs
serene lotus
-1 damage lb
chilly willow
How hard is savage coils synced compared to the current savage?
Or normal coils compared to current savage synced?
Thinking of making a raid with friends to clear it at minimum ilevel.
foggy latch
with how skill proning went idk how you can perform there
serene lotus
Just in terms of difficulty, Coils savage is harder than "regular" savage but not as hard as ultimate
wheat horizon
the pinned info is a bit old - is there an up to date 'so i just hit level cap, what now' resource?
lyric summit
finish msq, unlock lvl 80 dungeons in eulmore and crystarium, do them for gear and tomes, gear up with tome gear, do eden normal for more tomes and gear tokens, try extreme primals if you want to get a taste of more challenging endgame, then savage if you're more geared up
wheat horizon
nice, ty
stable basin
is bard supposed to feel slow?
it feels like a boring dmg over time coupled with rng?
rapid sapphire
there's a lot less rng then there used to be but compared to dancer and mch mini bursts brd takes a bit longer to line up for something actually fun feeling (mages proc spam)
and don't get me started on apex arrow
foggy latch
its not really slow depends on your luck on procs
there is also army muse that make you unable to doubleweave for 10 secs after leaving army peoen
brd still rely on rng still
making rng rate higher doesnt make it less reliant on it
since you could still not get procs at high rng
potent belfry
hello does anyone have BiS paladin gear for end game?
since many people i looked at in ffxivlogs have both deepshadow and edengrace
lyric summit
!faq balance
storm frostBOT
lyric summit
check the pld channels
potent belfry
thank you @lyric summit checking them now my dude
glossy musk
Gearset Options: http://bit.ly/PLDGearsets (Up-to-date as of 5.05)
rancid sigil
Gratz
storm frostBOT
fleet vapor
hey can someone help me to get a titania ex clear? those parties which dont require completion always fail
stable basin
for extreme and savage content, you should look for a static to join
Don't need static for EX, just gotta roll the dice on PF until you get people who aren't suicidal
And then you can join [Duty Complete] and still roll the dice on getting a party that's not suicidal
rose atlas
how much dps avg should a tank be getting in savage
im il455 and i think ive gotten the shittest parse yet
scenic patrol
Depends on the fight
Around 7K without downtime shenanigans is basically somewhat mediocre
rose atlas
first levi kill, i did horribly
scenic patrol
Can be higher
rose atlas
barely pulled 4.5m
scenic patrol
Probably fucked yourslef with NM windows
scenic patrol
I can go over the log later if you want
rose atlas
nah its fine
maelstorm dt just really fked up my nm windows to the point where i had to delay nm
scenic patrol
That's... Not how you do Levi...
Maelstorm doesn't cut off your NM nor does cause you to delay it
scenic patrol
You probably are doing a regular opener instead of adapting to the fight
rose atlas
i was horrible
scenic patrol
I've only out Dpsed you by 300 on my last Levi run because I was retarded with mechs
storm frostBOT
scenic patrol
Anyhow few tips for Levi
scenic patrol
Face pull opener
NM latest before your 3rd GCD
GF on CD after Mael 1
rose atlas
that seems good
scenic patrol
Only time you delay NM is after Mael 2 for realignment with raid buffs
rose atlas
i have to break this habit where i use nm after my fourth gcd
scenic patrol
Balance has 2 openers it advertises currently
There's also a few other modifications you can do based on fight and comp
rose atlas
sadly wont be able to parse to see which one is best for me
ill just have to rely on the tips on which opener to use given
scenic patrol
Ninja yes or no?
Or is it only pugging?
Also do you commonly invuln the first buster or the second?
rose atlas
i pug because i cant commit to a static
scenic patrol
Okay, lemme just construct something real quick
The Royal Guard is there to disable it mid pull
Since you don't want to take aggro before the buster
But you want to be second in aggro
rose atlas
yeah i was confused there
scenic patrol
I don't have a more elegant solution tbh
rose atlas
ill try a parse party later tmrw when i have time, and ill try this opener + tips you've given me
scenic patrol
Aside from delaying burst
The opener I use has more comfy weaving for disabling RG
But I play around a Ninja
rose atlas
@foggy latch ty
i wanna work on optimization and shit later on
but i just want to put this tier on farm til then
and i have alot of shit to work out
serene lotus
Said the 9 guy lmao
foggy latch
gnb has alot of modification to rotation from what i heard depending on fights
rose atlas
grrrn
foggy latch
which is high IQ
rose atlas
i pug alot so i gotta get used to like
different comps cause my schedule prevents me from getting a static
serene lotus
I know that feel
foggy latch
thats 4000+ potency thrown from window
only time u need to be careful to use it
is during far current
so u dont dash to your death
when he split arena
rose atlas
yeah i kinda learnt that the hard way
i havent touched my gnb in a while but i had to bring it out cause my co tank was a war
and i was intending to play war, and no dupes blah blah blah
foggy latch
play something braindead as pld
rose atlas
right now im considering levelling either drk or pld
foggy latch
drk can be somewhat braindead too
rose atlas
my pld doesnt even have job crystal
foggy latch
til boss go invul during the 5 edges
rose atlas
so technically gla
pallid vigil
quick verge
stay far away from pld
you don't want to see
cursed optimization
just play gnb
quick verge
I can't tell you or I'd die myself
nova socket
🤔
foggy latch
pld is low brain power job
nova socket
guess time to spam golem for a few hours to get muscle memory down on gnb and spam PFs in hopes of getting clears
😔
nova socket
Grind w/e
dusty thicket
Hiya, I've recently levelled my BRD to 80 (first dps to 80, after 2 healers), and I'm struggling to find any decent guides and/or pointers for a good opener and my dps is seemingly "stuck" at a certain point and it won't budge no matter wot I try! Anyone with a good BRD opener for ultimate deeps?
lusty oak
!faq brdguide
storm frostBOT
lusty oak
@dusty thicket
chilly willow
Can the sb savage raids be done with 5 people unsynced? Like 5 people with near maxed gear. Or doesnt mechanics allow that?
quick verge
can do like o1s and o5s with 5 people
Would just recommend 8 for the rest of the fights
don't know how the other fights interact with a smaller party size and don't care to find out
chilly willow
Doing roulettes over and over can be kind of boring, so was thinking to do some older raids.
The plan is to relive the raids as if they were just new and going in blind.
quick verge
then get 8 people and go in synced
rose atlas
@chilly willow mechs + game physically doesnt allow 5 people to queue
dull radish
there's definitely some issues with mechanics with only 5 people on some fights, but in some cases you'll clear before those problematic ones. On others it might assign debuffs weridly
you can go unsynced with 5 people
chilly willow
That's the problem right there. It's hard to find people that want to do that. Everyone is doing the shb content.
dull radish
most of them will probably just be fine, just might take an extra vuln or extra damage or whatever. Some mechanics, especially depending on how debuffs are allotted, might just not work for some fights, so it's a matter of killing before them or not being able to do them
chilly willow
aha so with enough dps, its possible to do it with 5
as long as you skip the mechs
dull radish
maybe not all of them
chilly willow
People use that recruitment reddit page to find people for older savage right? Or can I also do that here?
On the recruitment channels.
hazy carbon
Can someone explain to me how this macro work? The orogenesis one, for say im D2
thorn bear
I have no idea what the fuck that orogensis part is for
uncut charm
oh
thats copying Idiru strat from JP
let me find you the diagram
@hazy carbon https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/569819654961364992/610467464576368650/unknown.png
uncut charm
this is legit better than going merry go round tho
dull radish
that's a bit awkward for the person that's far north
uncut charm
not really
the boss is positioned dead center in the 2nd row
1st row and 3rd row can hit
glossy musk
Wait but
The other tank isn’t in melee??
So he’s losing all that uptime
Oh wait
Never mind I see now
uncut charm
quick verge
interesting strat
glossy musk
It’s for casters uptime
Only have to move once
Twice at worst but it’s one step to the side
uncut charm
Lesser confusion too VS merry go round which I seen too many failures. Happens when someone forgets who chasing who, or sometimes the people chasing sees the person in front in the wrong square and tries to adjust to compensate and shit happens like a chain collision
Tho in statics there is an easier strat with lesser movement but I guess pug strat wise I prefer this than merry go round
lyric summit
you don't chase tho you just do m1 stops on 1st explosion, group on 2nd explosion, m2 on 3rd explosion, m1 moves to dodge
uncut charm
That's what it should have been done but IDK how NA does it in pugs
JP pugs does constant chasing. I heard NA does it the same too
glossy musk
Yeah most I’ve seen just run in a circle
heavy mist
it depends on the player
random rune
Why the heck so I ever try to clear 08s and 04s, been trying to clear both all year party after party, not sound like a Debbie downer but I ask everywhere no one ever says anything, pathetic
heavy mist
?
rose atlas
ultimates?
blazing elbow
find a static
have them help with o4s/o8s
do ultimates with them
It's near impossible to clear ultimates in a pug group. Find people who share the same goal as you
vestal prawn
sigh why is it so hard to get your foot in the door as far as statics go? I've been ooking for a static and no bites, it seems most statics want you at enrage on e3S at like..... minimum. and the only group that may take me wants me to level other healing jobs because their people want to play WHM
are you just expected to clear E1S and E2S and prog to E3S enrage in toxic partyfinders?
lyric summit
probably, the first 2 aren't that hard to pug
if you want to just raid casually you can always make your own static and invite other new raiders
vestal prawn
.....aehter's PF quality is so low they struggle to kill Titania without it disbanding due to being a toxic mess
*aether's
lyric summit
there's a difference in pug quality between savage and extreme most of the time
a lot of bads who know they're bad don't attempt savage and just stick to ex
day of the week matters too, most people get kills Tuesday and Wednesday
vestal prawn
huh, i was under the impression it would be about the same, considering ex groups are often run by like 2-3 Savage people who just are only doing it to "make fun of baddies" under the guise of teaching folks, I've seen this happen more than once
lyric summit
2-3 savage people can't carry 5-6 bads dying to every aoe doing 5k dps
vestal prawn
and this toxicity would be even worse when they're svage gear/clears on the line and not some random 450 gear
lyric summit
varies per pug and people you get really
some just kick bad people (which isn't toxic imo) and that just makes people leave cause they don't wanna wait
some stick with bads wiping for a full lockout
vestal prawn
well the toxicity i'm talking about is mockery and favoritism not booting people
lyric summit
dunno NA pf culture but sounds pretty cavemen
vestal prawn
example, group fo 3 vets makes a "Carry" party to teach new peole and get people on discord under the guise of teachng and coordination, but isntead uses it to make fun of folks, and when they do get the clear, they have different loot rules on so they give loot to their friends wh aren't baddies
lyric summit
and I doubt it happens in every single pug
that sounds like a one-off bad experience
also loot rules show up on the duty finder pop and in chat when duty starts so
that's on you
torn kindle
From my 40-something combined clears of titania and Innocence as a healer I've rarely found myself in trap parties.
worst one most recently was in Innocence where one of the tanks DC'd after the ultimate and didn't reconnect until the fight finished
...It was a nightmare to heal
lyric summit
but making a static is definitely the best way if you want to a. have people with same raid experience as you b. control the toxicity levels c. have fun while raiding
vestal prawn
i guess i could jsut make my own yeah, but i'm afraid most people wouldn't want t join some newly established group that'd be working from eden prime
lyric summit
there's a billion new players right now either stuck on PF or too scared to raid or can't find statics with their raid/game experience like you so there'd definitely be a lot of applicants
chilly willow
You ll be surprised on how many people will join parties where people have no clue what to do.
I guess they ll feel less pressured that way since everyone will be at the same level.
lyric summit
just clarify you're looking for people looking to improve so that you can kick them later for not bothering to learn an opener or their job basics 
vestal prawn
i guess you have a point, just worried that we'd have a hard time filling in the important roles that tend to get poached by already established groups like tanks, or healers, even though i'd be WHM there, SCHs and ASTS are kinda highly sought after for healing comps
lyric summit
nah there's new healers and tanks too
but I don't think noct is any good still
or well, not nearly as good as whm/sch 👀
chilly willow
Don't forget people play alts chars. I did the savage with tanks but never with healer, so I join learning/beginning parties with that.
lyric summit
but not like it matters much with current gear and stuff
vestal prawn
well i mean SCH and AST are more highly sought after than WHM just cause people don't want to end up with double WHM comps and shields are good for prog
i might try it then, i led small raids in other mmos just from nececity before
heavy mist
are you a part of some of the raiding/static discords? i still see a lot of recruitment even for E1S and E2S prog/clears Aether specifically since thats what i see
@vestal prawn
vestal prawn
nahm, i haven't found any of thse discords yet
lyric summit
check #various_servers_something on balance, and ffxivrecruiter.com
dunno much else
vestal prawn
oh thanks
vestal prawn
yeah that's where i went
rose atlas
@torn kindle you must be lucky with choosing parties
vestal prawn
sigh i got frestrated being unable to find a static that wants a whm, that i made my own and i got 3-4 people who were interested, but had to disband due to healing comp issues, other healer also being dead-set on whm and double whm is suicide in savage
again running into the same issue i was with joining the only static that bit for my looking for statc posts, trying to force me to play astro of sch
like i don't mind being flexible, but as astro got closer to 80 i know trying to raid on that job instead of WHM was asking for trouble given how much i struggle with it
stable basin
That's odd cause 80% of clears are sch+whm
vestal prawn
yesh that just the problems, nmobody wants whm when they akready have one
it' sch or astro people want
stable basin
ah
vestal prawn
probably because whm us more forgiving than both of those jobs and thus there's too many whms in the healing pool and not enough asts or schs
but it has a knock on effect of people like me feeling forced into those much harder to play jobs
stable basin
Yeah WHM's always been popular and with it being actually good now almost every healer plays it
vestal prawn
like i can't even say for certain sch is harder, but i can sure as shit say astro is
stable basin
I did leveling with my static whm playing ast, tank died and he was like sorry this job is too big brain
vestal prawn
sch sounds like it has similarish issues though, lots of buttons bloatand adding the complications of a pet
vestal prawn
like i struggle enough at whm, i've been too piss scared to do hard content with AST now that it's cap, because of how abysmal my logs will look. 😦
not sure what i should do. try to find a DC to move to that just has less WHMs?
i mean i hate having to pony up the transfar fee and leave my old community behind just to find a spot, and leave my irl friends playing with me in a lurch, but.. i might have to
stable basin
I think there are gonna be a ton of WHMs anywhere you go
foggy latch
idk about aether
but in eu 50% of recruitments want a healer
and it doesnt matter which job
muted hemlock
How is ast crap
blazing elbow
It's not. It could use a slight personal dps buff, some mp tools,and some qol changes for leveling, but people who call it crap have no idea what they're talking about. It has a ridiculous amount of ogcds and a free weave window after every malefic.
^talking about diurnal ast btw
glossy basalt
lul noct ast
However noct ast does unironically have a lot of tank upkeep with CI since it’s like a free Regen and 2 Essential charges
it just uhh has no AOE healing at all 
And this entire tier is raid damage: the game
diurnal CO is so good while nocturnal CO might as well just not exist
boreal warren
so WHM is the bedrock healer and SCH allows for shielding, Diurnal AST would be redundant with WHM but Nocturnal AST is not AST's strongest side
normal grove
Any idea why does Kagerou not take the dps that Wildfire does on other Machinists?
For me it works but not for others
Does that mean that other Machinists will always have a bit more dps than what it shows?
calculated it and they would all have a dps of about 3.3% higher
warm knoll
Did you comb through outgoing damage for the other MCH?
vestal prawn
i didn't say ast was crap, i said it was unforgiving and difficult to play, in comparison to whm
turbid torrent
any crystal hunt LS's i can join?
blazing elbow
People who say that about whm misunderstand its fundaments as well. Would you be surprised if I told you that all three healers have similar standard deviations amongst uploaded parses in logs?
This is because whm has sparse weave windows, and is more punished by movement than ast or sch. While it's true whm's basics are easier to understand than ast or sch, it has difficulty in its own way.
foggy latch
finally an orange parse
serene lotus
vale dagger
MCH - needs a ping tweak
Bard - Needs a buff to Apex Arrow
DNC - Needs a buff or slightly less rng
Fin~
vestal prawn
i dunno, it just feel so frustrating that i can't get into a static at all unless i meet the requirements of the more progressed groups that'd take a whm, or the less progressed groups don't want a whm because they want a sch or a ast for healing comp reasons
vale dagger
Honestly no group should lock out any job imo
Maybe for the previous expansions I could understand it, but not now
blazing elbow
I think there's definitely a huge benefit to leveling the other healers to see how they work so you can work with your cohealer more easily. Might even think one is more fun than another.
While you're looking for a static, have you tried pugging e1s or whichever fight you're on?
vestal prawn
yeah but the pugs have been really toxic and sapping my morale
and i leveled ast to cap but i can't play it at all, pretty sure nobody would want me around if they saw how bad i was at ast
the big problem is wither groups lock me out due to lacks of clears/exp or locking me out cause double whm is a no no on harder content that requires more balanced healing comps that can shield
blazing elbow
are you talking about static groups or pf groups locking you out? idk how it is on aether, but there are a ton of learning/fresh prog parties in pf on primal
general rule of thumb is to not let pugs get to you, but sometimes they do say useful stuff. If you need help with your rota and all that, the balance discord is nice for that
vestal prawn
oh yeah the lock out bit is stsatics specifically, i don't get locked out of pf except for the groups requiring clear already
but the problem in pf is the toxic assholes making me just want to quit
vale dagger
Like I told my static, if it wasn't for them I wouldn't bother with Savage hardly lol
blazing elbow
I haven't encountered too many genuinely toxic people in pf
I pugged most of this tier, made my own static about a week ago
vestal prawn
either by making me feel like i' worthless and i'll never clear because i'm worthless. or just outright saying slurs and making me want to love because they made me uncomfortable
*leave
lie on my DC the trash talk in pf is intense, and honestly it goes beyond just trash talk a lot
blazing elbow
but I mean, if you join a fresh learning party a good chunk of that party is going to be new as well
if they really are saying stuff like that just report and move on
vestal prawn
like to the ooint i'm standing in town filing out gm reports because of how uncomfortable i felt
vale dagger
You can usually tell if the group is toxic if they have something like kick, boot or something along those lines
heavy mist
hmm wonder what some of those people are saying 🤔 ive honestly havent encountered that many people who are like that
just have to focus on your play and do what u can and be persistent
and dont be attached to any party or person in general unless you feel like they are a good player and u can sorta mesh well with em. then you can friend or so and ask to do stuff with em pug wise
surreal sand
When does E3S cone to furthest player snap shot? I've seen a tank further away but the cone attack hit someone else
lusty oak
At the moment debuff ends
surreal sand
So most likely the case was the tank didn't move away fast enough, even if on the screen it showed them much further away?
thorn bear
Yeah u gotta run quick
rain field
what do I do with goetia after getting better gear than ronkan
loud cave
Use them for alt classes or buy mats with them
rain field
I don't really do crafters
rain field
which sell the best?
loud cave
really depends, I use Mogboard to compare before buying mats 
rain field
@loud cave thanks, didn't even know mogboard existed
loud cave
👍
rain field
I'll just sell cotton cloth
half spire
Just started joining groups for titan. Can't find anything online to explain what "fox strats" are and no one running a group with that in the info will respond explaining it.
Also why do people do 03Y2? Is it an uptime strat?
Finally, for when general PF strategy changes from the first videos, is there a useful place online for me to look this info up?
lyric summit
fox strat refers to the guide by fox https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PTYpZ5E953vATWmLEArCI4-Ldfv2Gp9kvcGMdjtqKFU/edit
except for 1st uplift
vestal prawn
i wish i wasn't struggling with healing so much, it's impossible to find groups on WHM so i got forced to leveling one of the harder healing jobsand god my cpm is so much worse
i waste so many god damn casrds on ast: https://www.fflogs.com/reports/bKm3WVRFGM2AL1Zf
lyric summit
double regen is probably harder than just playing sch badly
just put excog on tank, soil and succor for raidwides, indom when you can, fairy skills kinda on cooldown
vestal prawn
but that's just the thing, i was told to level ast to be "more desirable" by group since it also has shields and people want the buffs, which be beter than being a whm and never gouing into even pf spots because that whm spot fills quickly
lyric summit
sounds like stormblood advice
also when referring to shields they mean noct and you're diurnal there
but noct in general is kinda bleh
as far as i've heard at least
not really keeping up on healer news
vestal prawn
when they mesn by shield actually is neutral sect and diurnal cist
because even while in diurnal they can still shield better than a whm
since they have a cooldown to throw out more shields than a whm can
but from what i'm told the big reason ast is more desirable than double whm is jsut the cards for raid buff purposes
that i basically have to play either ast or sch just so i don't destry healing comps
by trying to double whm content where you needed more diversity both for buffs and for different healing kit pieces
blazing elbow
Yeah, that definitely sounds like stormblood advice. Diurnal ast is definitely interchangeable with whm, but the problem is that scholar has no decent alternative. So that 2nd healer slot is frequently pigeonholed as scholar only, at least for some statics.
Honestly, unless you do uptime strats for e2s, any healer comp will work for e1s-e3s. Sure it won't be optimal, but it's absolutely workable. Just focus on learning your role (regens vs shields) properly. And again, would like to bring up the balance discord.
vestal prawn
it seems like trying to get anywhere just as WHM is anooying though ebcause most groups at the "ground floor" so the speak of savage want either a SCH or something that isn't a second WHM, and the peple higher up in the progression mmight need a whm but they require clears and exp and you have to meet probably higher standards
and even partyfinder is much like the groound floor statics, they don't want whms because that whm slot gets filled fast, and then the have the second slot on lock for either a sch or a ast assuming they go noct
nevermind the ground floor groups might have inconsistant schedules and run the gamut in quality just as much as pf does
blazing elbow
Just looking at e1s, there are 3 parties that could use a white mage (out of 5)
on primal right now
vestal prawn
and even the pf stuff assumes learning parties are even up, and it sn't farm/clear only that require clear
well i play on aether so
vestal prawn
every time i make a pf people abandon ship the second a more full group has spots. 😦
or they just give up because it takes too long to fill or w/e
probably what i get for not raiding right on the first day or so after reset and waiting to raid on the weekend
blazing elbow
best day for 2 chests is undeniably tuesday/wednesday, but there should be a good amount of learning pfs on the weekends
carmine pivot
Anyone know of any places I can find BIS info for NIN? I'm scouring the internet and I see no info, its all like SAM info >.>
torn kindle
!faq balance
storm frostBOT
torn kindle
Join their discord and grab the ninja role
carmine pivot
They're discord seems to be scuffed atm :/
torn kindle
In what way?
carmine pivot
You can't get roles
torn kindle
Go to their balance suggestion channel and ask a moderator to give you the role
carmine pivot
Is the balance still active? Latest mod post is circa spring 2019
steady pebble
spring 2019 wasn't that long ago 
carmine pivot
Can't access channels without a role, can't access roles atm. Thought maybe it was inactive
I PMed the mod who posted last in roles lol
steady pebble
the role selection channel isn't going to actively be posted in because there's no need for it to be. if the mod you currently dm'd doesn't get back to you soonish, just open the server member list and pm one of the mods that are currently on, on that list
vale dagger
Savage restrictions are gone in 5.15 right?
quick verge
probably
steady pebble
assuming it follows sb, more likely 5.18
vale dagger
Just really want to gear up other jobs for the next raid tier
winged wyvern
you will most likely be using i480 crafted/new eden normal gears for the next raid
lusty oak
^
vale dagger
Low on gil lol need to level dol/h
pure hawk
Any Drk mains? Does dark mind mitigate Titans Anguish thing?
stable basin
Earthen Anguish?
That's magic
Only physical in E4S is babby titan autos, steppies, reckless driving, and megalith
gaunt trellis
Low on gil lol need to level dol/h - this is how you get poor-er lol
DoH/DoL are expensive investments
stable basin
I've dumped 8-digit gil into crafters in the last few weeks
gaunt trellis
Opportunity cost...
stable basin
But I'm never going to run out of gil
gaunt trellis
The time you spend gathering/making pre craft can be used to gain more gil xP
stable basin
If I really feel like I need more I can just turn around and price gouge on the leve stuff I paid too much for
stable basin
There are a bunch of really good PLDs in my FC
granite meadow
See I have the opposite of this problem. I never have any Gil 😂
tawny elbow
why is it so hard to get a group to prog E4S 
foggy latch
most good ppl already cleared by now
lusty oak
second and third rate too
wary kraken
For those who cleared UCoB and UwU, can 4.x ultimates can be cleared on 5.0 ? With the lost of protect and an vast majority of finishers. It's seem to me very hard or impossible to clear.
foggy latch
actually clearing UCoB/UwU has become much easier
with accs having same main stat as belts.
tanks now have free mitigation that doesnt cost them dps.
no longer need to rely on other jobs to not run out of mp as healer.
wary kraken
i see, but do you should use max ilvl dungeons gear or sync gear are enough ?
wary kraken
ok ty 🙂
rose atlas
no longer needing bis for ultis?
quick verge
you get like 2 capped substats per 470ish piece when you sync down
which for some pieces of gear is better than the 345/375 alternative
dull radish
in several cases you can actually lose out on synced gear because melds can overcap a specific stat on the lower ilvl piece, so you instead can meld another secondary and get full value out of the meld. So you can lose a few points here or there just by using synced gear--but it's extremely minor, it's not like you need anywhere near BiS in order to clear the fights
now more than ever they're far and away a mechanics check more than a dps check
quick verge
varies
how many people in your group has cleared, how consistent are your strategies, are you going in blind or have you read a guide, hours/week, how quickly people can learn a mechanic
etc etc
rose atlas
hmmm
quick verge
so you can go from like 30 hours with a good group to 100 to several hundred hours
then there's the fight itself
which one are you doing
rose atlas
im not doing ultis im just curious
timber viper
glossy musk
On average it’s about 100 hours
That being said if you spend time studying the mechanics and planning out your abilities on a spreadsheet beforehand you can shave off a LOT of time
glossy musk
Because you don’t have to “test” what works in situations 7 minutes into the fight. You already know the exact CD mapping
So it’s just mechanical execution
It also depends on how you learn. I can read something and execute properly. Other people need to practice it first
stable basin
It can be both, you need practice to execute on the theory but you will prog much faster if you know wtf you're doing beforehand
My uwu group would have been a lot faster if we laid out buffs and such beforehand
and wasted golden pulls in ucob with mitigation memes
stable basin
though a lot of that came down to trusting a spreadsheet that assumed much slower adds kills than we were actually getting >.>
glossy musk
So we know exactly what is used where. No having to say “I think this is enough for this” 10 minutes in
Or my personal favorite
Me going
“Yeah SB will be up by then”
Spoiler: it wasn’t
stable basin
These guys LD the first minibusters and then third akh morn
Get to third akh morn
"Drake, where's the invuln?"
glossy musk
YUP
glossy musk
So close to orange. I need to start using rank 2 tinctures
sly furnace
That's the "your fishing level is too low" message.
Your Gulleye isn't good enough. Try again with the next rank of Gulleye.
rapid sapphire
yeah looks like you need to hit 60 for the fish next to alex
steady badge
Hey guys, could someone tell me a decent monk rotation/ keyboard mouse hotbar setup for the 70-endgame range? DM me, No abbreviations either please xD
Cuz I got a hard time understandin' those as it is
copper sun
Ok thanks everyone 💜
This guide I was following was telling me to fish there at level 59 but it either was outdated or incorrect because you’re right... now that I’m 60 I can fish there finally
🙂
lyric summit
!faq mnkguide
storm frostBOT
lyric summit
no guide plugged in still rip
basically join the balance and read the mnk resources channel
!faq balance
storm frostBOT
lyric summit
@steady badge
glossy musk
Idk, just doing normal rotation. Trying to find something I can cheese with bolide but I don’t have anything yet. @tidal tundra
Mainly cause it’ll lower healers DPS
rose atlas
@glossy musk no whm?
glossy musk
We use it in other areas
rose atlas
ah
glossy musk
Essentially though if we have to waste a GCD on me it’s not worth it
And there’s not really many places I’d gain uptime using it
I love my raid lead though. After we finished “our parses were pretty bad tonight” “I got a 93!” “That’s not orange”
rose atlas
damn
still, id love to even get a purple this tier
my parses are shit and i know it well
also me with gnb:
serene lotus
Throw yourself against a dummy until you have nightmares about the rotation
rose atlas
i cant guage myself with dummies cause ps4
i wanna put this tier on farm before i optimize
glossy musk
Well you can calculate the DPS by looking at the dummies HP divided by the time you took to kill it
safe totem
Whats the best stats to invest in with ranged DPS as of right now?
frosty stag
what makes crit better than DH for this expansion?
stable basin
Crit scales quadratically, it's just a matter of when it takes over
Even tanks are going crit even though it's only the first tier because the 470 gear just happens to have a ton of it
dull radish
Crit isn't really strictly better than DH, nor was it last expansion either. That's a bit of an incorrect way to be looking at it.
It's all about the spread of stats, how much you have, what your comp is, where the tiers are
Because of the availability of higher numbers for crit from grade 8 materia you'll find a lot, but not all, jobs going for a bit crit-focused sets, even though it's only the first tier (since last expansion you didn't really see that as much until the second tier or so)
But it's still not universally the best, nor is it something you really blindly go all for, either. There can even be a case where a det meld could be a correct option over crit or dh, for example
glossy musk
Hell for tanks you sometimes want to put in a tenacity meld to hit a certain breakpoint
dull radish
There's breakpoints for every stat, even main stat. Not like, "get this much for it to be worthwhile over another one" or anything like that. But point per point of a stat you don't get effect, it's done in tiers
!faq stats
storm frostBOT
late sorrel
@rose atlas Where this screenshot with major and medium informations come from ? Is this a tool or something ? It looks usefull
foggy latch
DET is better for ranged this tier
going for DET melds got me extra 200-250 dps myself
which made me skip 10% rankings
crit is weak atm
and doesnt become better til you hit 2500 ( which you wont reach with just i470 gear without any crit melds )
until you hit that number with 0 crit melds there is no point investing in it
the num can be lower if you got drg and sch
war can benefit from crit more due how IR work and somewhat MCH too even for 1 gcd per 55 secs
lyric summit
if 1 gcd every 60s makes crit better than det then what about litany and devilment
where you get like, a crit or two
@dull radish fact check and explain math mentor
dull radish
Can't really talk much but 2.5k is a pretty made up number and I wouldn't recommend it at all
rapid sapphire
2500 is the old crit is better number from stormblood. currently it's more like 3000 (which is why bis averages 3400 crit)
dull radish
2.5k was pretty bs in stormblood too
Those numbers are very specific and misleading when used for generalizations
So, really just don't
There's not some magic threshold like that, and there never will be. Anyone who is claiming otherwise is incorrect
lusty oak
Best stat is main stat
rose atlas
im making progress, kinda
foggy latch
finally found the slowkill group that get me orange
rose atlas
thats an good mch parse tho
foggy latch
E2S u want to skip cycles
E3S u want to skip smokers
E4S titan need to die around 3rd earthern fury
quick verge
you, definitely can
foggy latch
i did pad the 2 white fausts
i tried it before and for some reason
my spreadshot dont hit meteors + boss
quick verge
foggy latch
maybe i need to be much closer to boss
quick verge
rank 1 mch can auto crossbow 2 meteors + eden
foggy latch
which i cant due me baiting lasers
i could try it if i had blm not taking melee spot
but i got orange now
so whatever
this leaves E3S and E4S for me
silver kindle
what can be feinted on e4s?
quick verge
megalith, stonecrusher, mini titan autos
silver kindle
ty
quick verge
i guess fault line counts too
vale dagger
To skip smokers does require healers and tanks doing good DPS?
torn kindle
it requires everyone to do good damage.
Healers and tanks aren't the only ones who should try to optimize their damage.
vale dagger
I know DPS should be doing good but I was wondering does it matter for tanks and healers too
DPS should always be trying to have good dps
quick verge
yes
stable basin
uhh i never did suzaku normal but im liek ilvl 450 is it ok to go in blind? lol
heavy mist
yeah youll get synced to level 70 (can do it unsynced too with a party but w/e works)
youll be fine
@stable basin
you good enough for ex too lol
just have to find a PF party
stable basin
lol yeah just realized could probably do most of them unsynced with a pt
heavy mist
yeah
stable basin
thanks 😄
rough swan
Honestly I believe that FF14 has one of the best final bosses EVER
By that I mean Shadow Bringers
tawny elbow
Hades Extreme coming soon ™ 
rough swan
...How hard is Eden Savage?
rough swan
How hard is eden savage?
rough swan
Should I try and over-gear for it?
foggy latch
overgear it making it easier
tawny elbow
Eden is perfectly doable with overmelded crafted gear, but if you feel raid anxiety, you could also wait for Patch 5.1 when the Alliance Raid will be out and presumably drop iLvl 460 gear
foggy latch
but you can clear it if you are i450+
dusk birch
1st tier is easiest to gear for i started it with mostly normal raid gear and innocence right side
pulsar kernel
E1S is pretty easy
E2S is not hard if you know what to do
the rest idk cuz I haven't tried
wheat garnet
The hard part is the PF people
tawny elbow
E3S really just tests everyone's consistency imo
nimble glen
glossy musk
It’s all pretty easy overall this tier so don’t be afraid
Just jump in
There’s nothing anywhere near Gordias or Midas
chilly willow
After getting a benediction on using Living dead, how do I still die on E1S? I drop instantly to 0 after getting healed to full After spear of paradise. Anyone knows?
serene lotus
Spear of paradise adds a debuff that reduces your defense
You take like 280k damage from autos if you're healed too fast
chilly willow
So basically the whm needs to bene later I guess?
serene lotus
Yes
chilly willow
Aha
serene lotus
If it's the first one you block both hits, then get bene'd
chilly willow
Basically LD wore off after bene and the auto instakilled me. Got it.
serene lotus
Ye
chilly willow
Thanks
rose atlas
thats why you need to tankswap after the first spear
doesnt matter if you invuln it, you gotta swap
serene lotus
The first spear you can block alone even as a WAR
He doesn't auto between spear and the healer killer and then it's straight into the corner and then delta attack
So the debuff even has time to fall off before he autos the first time
Well, he maybe autos once so you Holm just before the second hit
And I know it works since I had a DRK who absolutely refused to take over after the first spear
Like, he didn't even turn on tank stance until the adds
quick verge
big thinking emoji
steady pebble
so who fed you cards, biscuit
quick verge
my dad
i just really dislike parsing on pld
because you gotta get the fat 40% atonement crit rate
or you're actually subhuman
heavy mist
LOL
lyric summit
found more in dps_general and tank_general images 
quick verge
please post the full collection
fresh jay
feels like im hardstuck blue parser 
stable basin
Press more button
fresh jay
uptime is definitely not the problem for me, at least in e2s+e3s
lyric summit
quick verge
this makes me feel things
foggy latch
most guides arent terrible
except smn that has questionable quadweave
and mch delaying wf
vale dagger
Are these guides something new or have they been around during other expansions?
foggy latch
seems new
vale dagger
Curious how good these guides are compared to guides written by players
foggy latch
they arent terrible
but balance guides are better
oh
and you gotta delay no mercy to line it up with battle voice
thats the biggest meme i saw
vale dagger
Glad they are decent at least then
stable basin
Still better than that delayed opener doc that made the rounds a few weeks ago
foggy latch
there is something regarding warriors fell cleaves and inner chaos
but i forgot
oh yes
they line up inner chaos with IR
tidal tundra
^
lyric summit
like 10-15
zealous badge
I always pop embolden whenever a physical dps pops their buff
lyric summit
depends on the buff, most openers have raid buffs incorporated in the usual timings so if everyone's using proper openers they should line up on their own
rose atlas
like war, they can change up their opener slightly to be in line with mnk or nin in their party for buffs like brotherhood/trick
vale dagger
Does fflogs show mechanic mistakes?
stable basin
How do you mean?
vale dagger
Group killed me twice with the spinnys in E1S
stable basin
You can use the replay function to see where people were standing and try to figure things out that way
It misses some fine details but like it's pretty obvious what's going on here
vale dagger
Thank you for that!
stable basin
^^
lyric summit
5-8 in 5.2 and 9-12 in 5.4
foggy latch
thats not padding
foggy latch
just having super fat dick rng luck
foggy latch
tawny elbow
I need to start doing parse runs
now that my gear is finally not garbage
entire left side was basically eden normal gear lul
tawny elbow
I have 470 chest, 460 legs, 470 belt, and 470 hands, but my head and feet are still 450 eden normal gear
Still better than having Eden normal gear for chest and hands as well tho
glossy musk
I just have one thing left to upgrade and it's via oil so just waiting for next week
then I'm donezo
tawny elbow
I feel bad, I needed pants from E3S but I keep rolling like crap so I wanted to save books
but I needed solvent and couldn't roll that either
and I roll single digits for E4S weapon coffer
😭
uncut charm
@foggy latch 
e2s
foggy latch
@uncut charm not top pld meh
uncut charm
I am casual
foggy latch
you either be top 1 or you are trash
uncut charm
serene lotus
#2 is the first loser
uncut charm
loud cave
rose atlas
oh dude
theyre were fine on e2s
their mt was holding them back
oh
e2w
FUCK
yeah i got them to e3s
and theyre dying
gaunt trellis
You guys are amazing (no sarcasm)
I still cant get normal damage and the light of savage wont reach in (probably) forever
serene lotus
Not with that attitude
gaunt trellis
Yeah 
rotund rain
Guys for E4S crumbling down boulders after Seismic crush
The safe spot will be on the LHS if the bombs exploding horizontally and on the right if vertically right?
lyric summit
bombs always drop in vertical lines
middle then one side then other side
there's a safe boulder in each pair
rotund rain
Cause I always encounter whenever the side wherr I'm hiding behind a big boulder explodes 2nd
I have to go to a small safe spot before going back to the middle
dull radish
yeah
rotund rain
But sometimes it's random left or right
lyric summit
if you always go to the same side for melee uptime, it'll be random if you have slow or fast bombs
dull radish
you can guarantee a safe spot for a 3-1 dodge if you drop them W->E or E->W
but the side that the 3-1 dodge is on is random
lyric summit
if you're ranged you can go to the slow side safespot
dull radish
the other strat is dropping the big boulders N->S or S->N, and then always go north (or S for S ->N I guess). But then you don't guarantee a 3-1 dodge, it can either be 3-1 or 2-1
rotund rain
I have to google those terms slow and fast bombs
Fast bomb is when the boulders behind the boulder go first?
lyric summit
just look at the bombs appearing after crumbling down boulders drop
if 2nd set appears on the left, go to the right where the 3rd set is
dull radish
the bombs will either drop like:
2 1 3
2 1 3
2 1 3
or
3 1 2
3 1 2
3 1 2
dull radish
well, it depends on where the safe boulder is at, and which version you're doing
if you're dropping them E->W or W->E, you can always either go to the NE or the SE in the 2 1 3 layout I have above, one of those two boulders will stay up for seismic
rotund rain
We always do it from west to east
dull radish
just, if you're tank/melee and the boss isn't pulled for that one, then you have to have a bunch of downtime
alright, then yeah, you always have a guaranteed safe rock by where the 3rd set of boulders drop down
it's just random if it's N or S
dull radish
well, you either take your time and get better at finding the safe spot by a 3rd boulder that drops down, or you get used to the 2->1 dodge. I'd recommend the latter anyways, but yeah
there's no way to ensure which one it is
lyric summit
or just get a succor and eat the bomb
rose atlas
lyric summit
one explosion shouldn't be killing you
dull radish
I mean, I guess haha
lyric summit
like, it's bad that you're not dodging, but it's worse if you're dying instead of vuln+damage down
quick verge
If it helps for 2-1, then move as the cast bar for the first set of explosions completes
rather than waiting for the animation
foggy latch
best time is moving when bomb cast is 90%-95%
glossy musk
We just always take the boss to the west side so that melee has uptime and then move whether it’s 2 or 3
tawny elbow
Yeah I always just look at the enemy list cast bar and just move to the middle when it's about 90% done
Getting into the safe zone in between two bombs to exit your row faster makes it more reliable... but it also involves learning to get into that safe zone consistently.
For me, that part is a lot tricker because I tend to lose my orientation in pugs when the markers are all placed symmetrically
so I have trouble telling if the safe corner is oriented to the left or right of my boulder
hence why the enmity list is a lot easier for me to pay attention to and I can just run out semi-diagonally
dull radish
the nice thing about going to the right spot is that the dodge is a very small distance away, easily slidecastable
if you're not right on that spot, being closer still greatly raises the margin of error for the dodge
if you just move a bit closer to that point before doing the 2-1 dodge
glossy musk
I’ve noticed the PUGs I’ve helped absolutely can’t do that strat if they attempt it. They always want to do it for uptime and always end up with 5 people hit LOL
dull radish
pretty much yup
tawny elbow
Yeah like I said, my issue is the way the markers are laid out, the platform appears symmetric and that leads to me to lose my orientation
The solution for me is to just lay out the 1 and 2 markers on west and east so that I can tell which way is N and S
This way I know that the safe zone is always in the direction of 1 and 2
rotund rain
Will I still get hit if I sprint the center around 98% done? Or is it strictly 90%cast only?
dull radish
depends on where you start
just gotta be consistent with where you start and find out what works for you
rose atlas
does anyone have the SSS dummy health values
i want to guage my dps but im on console
so no parse
rapid sapphire
cunning sorrel
if you are still looking for titan bomb movement btw you can move to a way easier spot to dodge once the cast bar from Titan (Seismic Wave) is resolved, edit: saw ppl say similiar things sorry is late didnt read up enough
rose atlas
tyty @rapid sapphire
vale dagger
@cunning sorrel Thank you! It seems like the second bottom line crack is always safe
cunning sorrel
yes there is always a consistent spot
If you have orientation problems you can use 1/2 and A/B for the boulder markers
Think the clip is sufficient to locate the spot, ping if can do anything to help
vale dagger
This helped a lot!
cunning sorrel
\o/
aslong as you move straight after seismic wave you don't have to go to close to the edge of the first set that explode
don't need to minmax to the point you are on the edge of the first explosion, you can do that once you get the hang of it
vale dagger
Feel like some video on youtube don't go over some of the real important stuff. For E4S meteors and E2S cycle adds
cunning sorrel
I think alot of videos were week 1 or week 2
vale dagger
For the longest time I didnt know you are safe in the middle after adds spawn for chaos mechanic
That fight was so much easier when I found that out
cunning sorrel
you mean the adds that move outward?
vale dagger
Yes
cunning sorrel
have not slept yet so bit slow
vale dagger
After the chaos cleave
cunning sorrel
the guillotine?
vale dagger
Yes
vale dagger
Yes thats the one
cunning sorrel
Yeah for stuff like that its sometimes better to watch a vod of a stati
vale dagger
I had no idea you could run between the adds
cunning sorrel
static
They will show improved tactics etc
alot of tactics based on first week and those ppl that make the guides/tips are also busy playing
its nice to share stuff here then tho \o/
vale dagger
I think a lot of learning groups should know that
vale dagger
Goodnight!
glossy musk
The problem with learning groups is that they won't be able to handle it
like I said above, the PUG groups that do try it nearly always come out with a few hit, and if ANYBODY is hit by it, it's a DPS loss
rotund rain
@cunning sorrel that's always fixed right? I saw my helpers always stand there during the explosion
cunning sorrel
Yeh
reef needle
what exactly is endgame discussion? is this where you talk about Titania EX and Eden and stuff?
lusty oak
||no, its place where ppl epin their logs || yes, you are absolutely right
sly furnace
Both are correct
heavy mist
OOF
quick verge
toxic mentor imo
vale dagger
Party: Why did you leave?
Me: Because I want to get phase 1 down until its 2nd nature.
Party: You can still join for phase 2
Me: (And hear commentary when I make mistakes? No thanks) No you all go on without me. :)
acoustic galleon
Can anyone mod seiryu robe to be wearable?
stable basin
end game discussion: i want emet-selch to pin me to a wall
lyric summit
stable basin
🙂
grim plover
Hi all, just hit 80 on my monk
What kind of materia should I be placing on my gear?
storm frostBOT
grim plover
thank you!]
rough swan
If I could say what's the saddest thing about FFXIV's difficulty
It's that it can completely inconsistent
Like I know most EX bosses are kinda well somewhat easy
Titan EX is a example of this
Should I name one Titan and the other Titan Eden?
To avoid confusion?
silent storm
lyric summit
ex are easy because they're meant to be easy
extremes are easy, savage is medium, ultimate is hard
brazen juniper
So, my party tried Alphascape 4.0 and we always wiped on the Advanced Suppression/Electric Slide part. We did the part where odd numbers go to opposing sides but 3/4 usually dies. Any insight to what we may have done wrong here?
lyric summit
brazen juniper
Thanks!
errant kayak
why do no healers sacc if the puddles go wrong during second mist rune in titties ex
i see so many groups just give up
lyric summit
it's PF I doubt they even know how to sac properly
cause
you'd have to run to a corner puddle in the thorns
stack outside of puddle is always a wipe cause the arena gets set on fire with a dot
stable basin
Depends which puddles get missed
lyric summit
you could try saving it with a tank LB but I don't think that worked last time I saw someone attempt it
stable basin
Usually it seems to be melees getting greedy and getting feared off their puddle
I think it's %hp
I've taken like 60k ticks as a tank
Usually though what happens is you get 3 puddles in melee range and the stack would usually go in the open space and the puddle opposite
In which case the healer just needs to run into one of the other puddles and eat the brambles
But people don't know how to do mechanics
They just know where to run
So when a situation requiring simple mechanical fluency comes up it's deer in headlights time
Spin Suzaku like 15 degrees and 3 people get yeeted off by the post-tankbuster kick every time because nobody can be arsed to look five feet in front of them
errant kayak
just sac on an intercard puddle
i thought it wasn't doable because of the thorns what not since i never saw anyone do it
a run just now in pf got the puddles butchered so i tried it
and lo and behold i just died and everyone else was fine.
rustic marsh
gonna ask in here too just in case; is it possible in titty ex to tank all six tethers as drk?
im p sure it is, use cooldowns on first three?
errant kayak
it's possible, you mostly have to pop all your cds
take first one with rampart, 2nd one with shadow wall, dark mind, and tbn, the 3 cds should last till the 3rd one
rustic marsh
Okay thank you
rustic marsh
I was thinking of using literally every cd available
So dark missionary + reprisal
But ideally I wanna save those
errant kayak
save dark missionary for the 2nd one