dunno who's all telling you that or if you were just misunderstanding a bit
#endgame-lounge
foggy latch
they put weely lock on loot so u dont get i470 and just unsub
they want you to play longer
boreal warren
i thought the exception was the tomestone
otherwise i gotta wait three more weeks of eden normal
at this rate
heavy mist
just means 2 more weeks of potentially getting it
pale pagoda
To get to E3S you need to clear E2S again, even if you got the kill last week?
foggy latch
yes
though u can skip it
but if u go back you count as cleared
and miss your weekly chance to get both loot and book
steady vale
Is there a way to always have the 3rd set of bombs for the P1 of e4s plz ?
dull radish
You mean 3-1 dodge for crumbling down? If you place the rocks both east then both west, or vice versa, you'll always have a safe rock for 3-1. It just won't always be in the same direction for the rock you go to, you'll have to adjust for that @steady vale
steady vale
ok thx
pale pagoda
@foggy latch what
dull radish
Whoever is party leader can queue in based upon their progress for the week, regardless of the rest of the party. Like if they cleared 2s for the week, they can queue a party into 3s even if nobody else has done savage that week yet. If you are queued into 3s and even enter the instance, you are flagged as having cleared 1 and 2 for the week and forfeit all loot/pages for those two fights
dull radish
If you want to queue yourself, you have to go in order
Especially if you don't want to lose out on loot
And yes, you can guarantee 3-1 in the way I described
dull radish
They asked if you can guarantee 3-1, I answered yes and how to do so
hoary socket
2-1 is latency rng, if anyone happens to get even a slight ping spike their practiced move timing will be off and they will get hit. 3-1 is braindead easy and as long as titan is repositioned center you dont lose any uptime while adjusting.
dull radish
you can get away with 2-1 dodge even with higher ping. You inconvenience a few jobs by having to adjust for the guaranteed 3-1 strat and can cost them more uptime
I'd generally recommend the 2-1 if people can get more used to it
hoary socket
I said if you have a ping spike. Anyone can learn when to dodge based on their average ping. But if you get a spike then your timing will be incorrect and you will get hit. If you are even a fraction of a second late on your dodge, even with good ping, you will get hit. The increased chance of failure isnt an equal trade to avoid the minor inconvenience to the dps uptime.
foggy latch
no not everyone can
it took me 3 attempts to never fail it even once
and my ping isnt same all the day
foggy latch
ty to SE servers for that
uncut charm
you know
if you lag spike and eat debuff
thats just 1
if you do 3-1 and cause 7 others to disconnect
thats 7x a lot of GCD lost
foggy latch
dps uptime is minor kk
hoary socket
You can maintain uptime by repositioning titan center after the second boulders land.
hoary socket
The inconvenience I'm referring to is missing a positional or using true north
uncut charm
? if the boss is in the middle
I cant hit
thats GCD loss
thats way more than positional
whats so hard about 2-1
you have sprint there too btw
pop sprint during sesmic wave cast
after it is done position to the inner corner spot
watch cast bar
move in once cast bar of the bomb explode
profit
in case you are not sure which spot
A B C D as marked
quick verge
yeah you can just use markers so you never have to memorize how close you can go to the first explosion
really not hard
and if you have third world arkansas internet or something that drops every hour
¯_(ツ)_/¯
uncut charm
yeah
it does take practice
but it isnt hard
you literally have to like DC over a second there to eat bomb
hoary socket
Or miss sprint. Or have a slightly delayed reaction to the first bomb going off. Or have a cat sit in your keyboard.
uncut charm
that is your problem
dull radish
I mean, there's a lot of mistakes you can make in a mechanic
uncut charm
unless you tell me all 8 people
miss sprint
or all 8 have a cat
whatever
your point is pretty weak
also I would like to add
hoary socket
There is enough time between second boulders landing and seismic wave cast to drag titan to 3-1 position while maintaining uptime if hes positions center
uncut charm
if you wait until 2nd set of bomb to drop and try to move titan
thats a bit too late
hoary socket
You lose nothing but gain a much safer dodge
dull radish
you do not lose nothing
quick verge
consistently dragging it to the 3-1 safe spot is harder than just placing down a marker and pressing your movement key
¯_(ツ)_/¯
uncut charm
im pretty sure
by the time you (wait* until 2nd set to drop
to determine where is the 3rd
and then try to move boss
no
the boss wont be in range to be hit
hoary socket
Which is why hes left close to center instead being dragged closer to an edge
uncut charm
i mean
even from center
there are times you wont be able to drag titan to the safe stone
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hoary socket
After second boulders land you can reposition center before 3rd set of bombs land then drag to safe once its identified.
dull radish
you also force your healers/casters into a more delayed, faster movement without prepositioning
hoary socket
As a healer I'm already using oGCD heals there anyway since we would need to move to the 2-1 or 3-1 movement is still required.
uncut charm
as a tank I can tell you it is rather annoying to always try to drag it to the 3-1 pattern and sometimes you dont get titan to the corner and yes titan is in the middle all the time during boulder drop
and I lose up time
hoary socket
Casters can stop for second proximity damage, slidecast to center, slidecast to safe bolder there is plenty of time. Or use a waving skill.
uncut charm
well in a sense yes
they have to wait and see where is 3 and then probably sprint there
or however they reach there
when you just do left right left
you dont need to tink
you can just pre position and park yourself there
foggy latch
could just use a proc
swiftcast
cast
do mechanic
uncut charm
alternatively
uncut charm
you could also just pop sprint and do 2-1
B)
thats just
1 thing to do
no need to think galaxy brain swift cast slide cast
hoary socket
If you're progging taking the safer more consitent pattern of 3-1 is going to save so much headache. If you cant meet enrage because of moving titan 1 square, I have bad news for you. If you've been clearing for weeks and you're parsing, sure, do 2-1. Who cares at that point
foggy latch
i progged
foggy latch
and all ppl did 2-1
uncut charm
B)
and always trying to find 3-1
is a bigger headache than learning 2-1
maybe play tank on 4s you can understand
dull radish
sorry, been in a meeting. Movement is pretty awkward already for crumbling down, I'd lose a few extra GCD to move for 3-1
hoary socket
Wait, trying to find 3-1 is hard?
foggy latch
i dont feel like adjusting everytime when i can just do 2-1
uncut charm
you mean
why do I need to find 3-1 all the time
when i can just do left right left
uncut charm
at 450 is very tight
hoary socket
Yikes. If finding 3-1 is hard evil earth fists must have been a living hell
uncut charm
no one said finding 3-1 is hard
but left right left is so brain dead
and if you are talking about progging
anything brain dead is better
foggy latch
imagine making ppl adjust
uncut charm
during prog people can get distracted or tunnel or panic
dull radish
we got significantly more value out of 2-1 than 3-1 in prog
it didn't take long for people to get used to the movement and it helped a lot with uptime and ease
uncut charm
I'm probably sure most cleared group will tell you learning 2-1 is so much hassle free
quick verge
if you want to clear, then sacrificing gcds for no good reason is pretty dumb
lyric summit
i always run to 3-1 cause ranged 
foggy latch
im ranged and i dont mind doing occasional 2-1
dull radish
it's just so much easier and nicer to be able to consistently go north and stay there after the prox markers from the first set of boulders go off
and knowing how close you can stand for the 2-1 practically trivializes it haha
quick verge
ranged mains talking about how they can ignore mechanics
like ok you also do no damage
congratulations
dull radish
it's silly how much cozier titan is after first phase
uncut charm
kinda
heavy mist
yeah kinda. p3 is p punishing with like a healer or tank death...
at least with the pugs
dull radish
well, I suppose I should clarify as that being from a dps perspective. I know things can get especially dicey with deaths, particularly for healers but also for tanks
along with stuff just kinda needing a good bit of healing at the end
heavy mist
i think p1 is pretty cozy just depends on your greed
and crumbling down, but (everyone has problems there)
dull radish
well, a comparison for BLM. For phase 1 I have to utilize all my movement tools and do a lot of adjusting to make things work. In the other phases I find myself having to use xeno before it overwrites, instead of wishing I had another one to use for something
heavy mist
for sure. thankfully i dont play blm yet
dull radish
there's a lot of time for things and not a whole lot of movement in the other phases
it's more about figuring out what you need to do
torn kindle
@lusty epoch #memes-and-shitposting please.
boreal warren
how do you figure out if you're just absolutely horrible at a class and should just move on and dedicate gear to another class or keep sticking to that class instead
lusty oak
If you pull grey logs non stop
Also can ask ppl here to check your logs for advice
Or in balance
boreal warren
i get grey without dying
and im highly suspecting im pulling the same amount of dps as another class while still being 7 ilvls under
heavy mist
If someone uploads log go ask the balance to take a look at it
Assuming ps4
Since doesn't sound like you are pc
boreal warren
but i am pc
lyric summit
link some logs 
earnest current
Hey, i have a question about E1S. For its Pure Light attack (the room wide cleave), can you bait the boss to move toward a specific spot ?
lyric summit
yes, he always jumps to the furthest corner
so if you keep him a bit NW he's gonna jump SE
earnest current
Nice to know thanks.
lusty oak
!whologs @boreal warren
storm frostBOT
lusty oak
lyric summit
just a pretty mediocre black mage
i mean you have a purple on eden normal so that's something
but learn an opener, your basic rotation on a dummy, where to weave without clipping, you have a lot of extra fire1s in the second half of AF usually, dunno what for, you lose a lot of uptime because of movement and mechanics which is the biggest dps loss
boreal warren
i spend hours on those dummies and even obsessively doing random eden normals
still getting clowned by people in ronkan
lyric summit
well still, a proper opener and keeping to one f1 per AF would help a lot
plus uptime/movement
being comfortable in each fight takes a while and helps with blm uptime so just need more practice and research on how to handle downtime
glossy musk
Take your logs and shove them into xivanalysis
boreal warren
i dont know how to resolve this, if i don't put up a second fire during a mechanic i'll either spaghetti and lose enochian or just abbreviate with despair without all 6 F4s, there's only so many instances where a mechanic leaves me with an instantcast to negotiate it, and when i try to squeeze off a final spell when in a danger circle even with slidecasting or whatever it just feels like greeding to me
is it just expected to do a dummy rotation perfect even when dodging every attack anyway
dull radish
there's time for F3 -> 4GCD F1 -> 4GCD -> Despair
boreal warren
meanwhile i can get blue as monk in ilvl446 or so
dull radish
so there's a lot of leeway to use in order to keep AF/eno going
shifting casts around, using xeno/swift/procs, can help a lot with keeping it up
boreal warren
that... is not my experience
dull radish
well, that's the reality
boreal warren
its only 3 inbetween refresh
dull radish
are you mashing/queuing casts properly?
boreal warren
i can get 4 F4 in a refresh if i sharpcasted
dull radish
you should naturally be able to F3 F4x4 F1
boreal warren
i cant get the game up right now to dummy it
dull radish
and F1 F4x4 Despair
without any other casts or anything in between, no triple or swift or ley lines
both of those should be doable
boreal warren
4 F4 and despair in 15?
boreal warren
maybe im not counting correctly but i don't remember my sequences being like t hat
dull radish
F4 is base 2.8s cast, Despair is base 3s cast and also refreshes AF partway through the cast
boreal warren
or remembering correctly
dull radish
so even at base sps you have time to do F1 F4x4 -> Despair
pure hawk
i have not started savage raids yet but is there an agreed upon strat used by PUGs yet? do you know where I can find such strategies since i think the video guides jsut cover a basic walkthrough
lyric summit
first 2 fights don't have much wiggle room for different strats, people just assign/call positions after someone posts a macro and everyone just handles their stuff in their positions
lyric summit
3rd and 4th have more complex stuff but in practice parties etc people will usually explain how to handle the mechanic so that everyone's on the same page
boreal warren
im misremembering
but no way can i do 4 fire in a fight because that just leaves me 2.X seconds to get F1 off
dull radish
and F1 refreshes AF partway through the cast, too
boreal warren
if a mechanic comes at me in that window i either eat shit standing in place and casting F1 or i move and eat shit losing enochian
dull radish
4 F4 is only ~11.2s
at base sps
faster with any sps, which I assume you have at least some of
being able to do F3 4GCD F1 4GCD Despair means it's easy to do 3-1-3
and then utilize a proc/xeno as one of those extra GCD
or plan to do the 4 F4 before the F1, or do an early F1 and then do 4 F4 after the F1, especially if you can sharp the fire to make it even easier
also can consider using swiftcast to help with that movement, even swifting a F1/Despair if needed to help keep up stacks or whatever
boreal warren
i've been sticking swiftcast on cooldown whenever B3 goes into B4 or F3 goes into F4 or after a thundercloud/firestarter
dull radish
swiftcast is only a small potential gain for those. If you are having problems keeping up AF up, or covering for a movement, using swiftcast for one of these options is certainly a gain over using it on B4/F4 or Despair
boreal warren
my highest normal run was only when a dancer and dragoon were dryhumping me
oh wait rdps is a thing
in priority its getting 6 F4 and Despair per Astral phase is key and any cooldowns and thunder DoT expiring is secondary?
dull radish
correct
though you should be able to regularly handle all of that, of course, if you have to sacrifice something it'll be letting T3 drop for a small amount of time or letting oGCD drift slightly
lyric summit
weeeell normal's not really something to be taken seriously tbf
dull radish
89.6% uptime and 3 dropped enos are pretty unfortunate. I need to remember to bug Furst about the "times you did literally nothing" module at some point, but overall I see just a lot of gaps in between casts that's costing you and just generally making things tighter than they should be
dull radish
F4 -> pause -> F4, for example
instead of F4 -> F4
means you're either pausing on purpose, or otherwise not queueing/mashing casts so it goes off seamlessly from one cast into the next one
at least some of them I'm sure are mechanics related, even when you had ways to deal with them, but other times they're just kinda there
boreal warren
you mean when there's a small amount of white space inbetween the casts in the timeline?
dull radish
yeah
boreal warren
maybe i was doing that slidecasting business i dont know
dull radish
slidecasting shouldn't delay casts
boreal warren
welp
i get there's a half second queue time
im pretty sure im pressing the button at least after the button is 3/4th's of the way 'full'
or rotated 3/4ths of the way or whatever that visual is
dull radish
yeah sometimes you're fine with it, but there's a non-negligible number of times where you aren't
gaunt pagoda
wooo my static manged to clear E2S in one shot this week yay
simple sky
gz
serene lotus
stable basin
Did anyone have german act trigger for eden 1-f savage?
pallid vigil
You fight Titan Savage, you manage to get to phase two, and he starts to grow big. However, things change.
He spawns with a heavyweight belt around his waist, and his hands are now covered by bright red but rocky gloves as he makes a boxers stance. You hear a bell ring and the Wii Punch-Out! music start to play.
Heavyweight Champ Titan awaits your challenge!
quick verge
go to bed
pallid vigil
No
glossy musk
Anybody have the math for average gain using ranged LB3 over melee LB3 in Titan Savage
glossy musk
You use it to break both jails and hit Titan at once
So it’s a gain, I’m just trying to see how much
kindred fable
what does NNS stand for in e3s?
lyric summit
tsunami 1 knockback north, tsunami 2 north first south second
now if that's "towards north" or "from north" i have no idea 
kindred fable
ahh right right. thanks
glossy musk
I would assume from north considering the amount of uptime you'd lose during tsunami 2 if you did it otherwise
lyric summit
you don't lose uptime if you do knockback from under the boss
glossy musk
You lose uptime having to all stand on the back of the boss after second knockback if you're doing from south/from north
due to the AOE
it wouldn't make any sense to do
lyric summit
like mid -> south knockback you put party barely outside of target ring and knockback on max melee
desert cobalt
Wich materia do i put in NIN ? Crit/DH/DT or Crit/DT/DH ?
torn kindle
Crit DH det
desert cobalt
okay thanks
median hollow
Static 7/8 looking for tank (GNB/DRK/PLD), Group has cleared e1s, and is on e2s quietus, Raid times: Weds & Fri @7pm-9pst. Pm if interested
uncut charm
Please use the recruitment channels for LFG/LFM purposes.
shy kindle
hey any expert dragoons here? got a question on nastrond...do you clip your gcd to use it on cd?
since the transition you do gcd skill -> gerskogul -> nastrond -> next gcd skill
right?
so when nastrond comes off of cooldown i feel like it always clips gcd a bit if i were to use it on cd
shy kindle
so you're basically delaying it by about 1s or 2 every time it comes off of cd?
quick verge
if I need to sure
clipping multiple nastronds across a fight will lose gcds for no reason
when you can just wait for the next chance to weave
shy kindle
ill try on dummy later but yea since the first tiem you cast it it's the 2nd weaved ogcd it always feels like it clips if i use it on cd
thanks
heavy mist
it is for some people 🙂
quick verge
keep chaos thrust up on both
kindred fable
kk thanks
boreal warren
at what point do you have to evaluate that you should just give up savage raiding
when something doesnt click how long should you keep at it vs just accept you're howling at the moon
foggy latch
savage isnt for everyone simply
just dont do it if you dont enjoy progging little by little in tough fights
heavy mist
honestly anyone can do savage it just becomes a lot easier when more and more gear is open for the plebs
if u wanna do savage then just keep at it and practice
lusty oak
Anyone skipped queitus phase in e2s?
lusty oak
Noice
uncut charm
if you go by 8:12 then 38 groups on logs have done so before cast start
lusty oak
We killed that shit last time after 2 cycles but we had 2 deaths iirc
uncut charm
if you go by 8:18 then 57 groups done so before Quietus hits
lusty oak
Ppl cant stop doing stupid shit
boreal warren
i practice for hours and hours on rotations and starters and dummies and raids and everyting else but im still pulling down pugs and even if i don't die i'm still lagging behind
im not puling my weight for the ilvl i have
i genuinely can't tell if i cant do this raiding thing even after so much research and practice or i simply have to push in even more hours than that
people in ronkan gear can reliably match my dps when i'm full inno/titania/edengate
heavy mist
sometimes it takes a long time for a class to click with you
took me like til 4.5 for MCH and SMN to work ever since i leveled them in like 4.1/4.2
😦
glossy musk
BLM is incredibly punishing if you don't know the best placement/movement in the fight
and if your group won't cater to it
heavy mist
yeah so its p normal to not have the big deeps
without some pre knowledge and group adjust
glossy musk
having a group that works AROUND the BLM will result in much higher dps
boreal warren
okay, but even when there's a second black mage i get terrified because i know im going to punch under my weight 80% of the time
i'm obsessively logging fucking eden normals and comparing attack logs just to be below average this is ridiculous
i think i was directly responsible for destroying a pug an hour ago because my brain just ran out of gas following the mechanics after about 2 and a half hours of attempts
heavy mist
no harm in taking a break if u feel yourself slipping lol
boreal warren
people often mistake how wide a Voidwalker guillotine is or maybe don't run far enough away for flares, but me, i managed to walk right into a guilliotine in a way where you'd think i did it on purpose
because my brain just skipped one move in a sequence of attacks
foggy latch
tfw im better brd than mch
uncut charm
MCH can't lag can't clip
junior basin
Got an 80 on levi last night
When we went in again to get a page for our nin
Pretty happy about that
Fuck e2s tho
Did some e4s practice after that.
Probably going to take us a while
blazing elbow
nah man, by far the hardest part of e4s is the first phase. It won't take long to prog through big daddy titan and orogenesis+
dull radish
well good news is you get a lot of time to practice phase 1 while you prog
and that the dps check only especially matters at enrage
thorn bear
Figuring out all the uptime strats for gunbreaker >:)
pale pagoda
If dps consists of
monk;
samurai/drg;
dancer
and bard/mch
will it work.
As a mnk player, my buff would influence raid dps more than if there were split dmg types?
blazing elbow
brotherhood alone most likely wouldn't make up for losing that 1% main stat for not having a caster, but it'd probably be pretty close in terms of overall damage difference.
but assuming that dancer is replacing a black mage, then the difference in raid damage would be noticeable.
foggy latch
1% is so low
that it wont impact your ability to meet dps checks
at least not now in week 5
my 1st clear consisted 2 melee and 2 ranged
and we still cleared
E4S
blazing elbow
I may have misread him but i believe he was asking if his buff (brotherhood) would make up for not having a "normal" dps comp
foggy latch
if he is very skilled to surpass it
if a blm can
i doubt a mnk cant
given mnk bring highest dps atm
heavy mist
Don't think the persistent 1% dmg buff plus mind plus vit would lose to monk raid DPS imo
dull radish
Hmm? You'd certainly get a good deal more out of a BLM for that comp than a MNK
By a decent margin
Viable with the MNK, sure no problem. Ideally you'd replace the DNC with a caster for that comp, of course
hoary socket
You're allowed to have doubles and still he considered a standard comp in fflogs though and logs doesnt care if you have diversity so you could run mnk mnk drg blm or something. Will be interesting to see what sort if compositions are setting fastest clear times in a few weeks.
dull radish
well in this case they're looking at melee ranged ranged, and asking about adding another melee. You get 1% bonus main stat each from having a tank, healer, melee dps, ranged dps, and caster in the party, so 5% total. If they put MNK in that party, they'd only have 4%, whereas with a caster they'd have the full 5%
while a MNK is a solid dps and would be fine in the comp, it'd definitely be worse than having a BLM in that spot. Most ideally you'd replace one of the ranged with caster, especially the DNC, since ranged dps are a bit weaker at the moment
in fact, to the point you mentioned, ranged are just behind enough that it might be a consideration to run double BLM instead of your ranged dps
when looking at top end optimal comps for speed
tawny elbow
Question: I heard DRG stacks skill speed now, is this the new meta?
And is there any minimum threshold I need to hit?
torn kindle
Judging from the BiS sets in the balance discord the suggested range is 2.38-2.45
tawny elbow
I heard some people were going as far as to go below 2.35 though
Was just wondering if there was any numbers for why
heavy mist
@tawny elbow no we dont stack SKS
the BIS has 2.38/2.45/2.49
2.49 uses sks food to go from 2.5 to 2.49 LOL
charred lotus
when does the game end fully?
torn kindle
Depends on what you mean by that. Current story ends at level 80, but there’s stuff to do at max level like extreme trials and savage raids
vestal prawn
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/NWVv28QPLC419YkA I did my first run of E1N and i feel like shit because i feel like i got carried too much even though it was my first time seeing the fight, i'm mostly upset that i fell not only really behind on damage but that AST fucking destroyed the healing meters... Idk what i could've done differently, especially when i'm panicing about being able to dodge and react in the right way to new mechanics, especially when i don't cast enough things because i feel like i have to tunnel vision, especially if i've already gotten hit by stuff is houldn't already.... it's like mistakes have a domino effect on me i can't seem to recover from as hard as i try.
but maybe i'm just beating myself up too hard for having a rough first go at that fight
heavy mist
if its your first time no worries lol
once u get used to doing a fight it'll smooth out
@vestal prawn
uncut charm
your main problem is
you are standing and doing nothing like.... more than half of the entire fight
heavy mist
A lways B e C asting 🙂 ABCs 
sly furnace
People love getting first time bonuses
vestal prawn
i knw, i just find it hard to keep casting something when i feel forced to move all the time, especially whem i've already gotten hit by stuff. especially when i also have to take time to select a healing target, than switch back to the boss
hell i feel too afraid to swiftcast something because of all the times i've been punished/yelled at for not holding it back to raise someone
stark oyster
Uh how do I setup one of those dps meters I see streamers use
Is there a guide or something
ocean forge
!faq act
storm frostBOT
ocean forge
If you go to r/ffxiv there should be guide there on setting up the Advanced Combat Tracker (ACT)
scenic patrol
Interesting people you pug with
glossy musk
If you want to stream it
It’s a bit harder
I’ll link some stuff when I’m home
Easiest way IMO is just use Mopimopi and have the stream use the loop back address
No setup or config required and it looks great
vestal prawn
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/H2bBZPXACWxdFhgN did my first clear of E2N before maint, feel like i did a better job here with casting more often and stuff, my hps was a bit closer tomy cohealer, even if it came at the expense of screwing up on these tricky mechanics more often than if i had tunnel visioned on avoiding things 24/7
spiral lance
Godbless smn
foggy latch
i feel they overdid ninja buff
but i guess ninjas can enjoy 2 more months of overbuff
stable basin
Ninja deserves the buffs he got , doing mudra and stop rotation at least he will get more damage with all of the TO MUCH! Combos he is doing
While maintaining hatuon
So please don’t say its overbuff
rapid sapphire
the part about the glowing white ground in Mt. Gulg being changed amuses me more (in the sense of it tok them this long to realize it's hard to see?)
sam buff is nice but not sure it makes up for Shoha still being functionally useless outside of minmaxing
smn change makes it easier to spam ruin 3 for days /s (re: #rants)
wicked narwhal
Why there is no DNC buff -_-
rapid sapphire
because we can't have nice things (and bard/mch players would esplode on demand that they don't get something out of it)
serene lotus
I think mudra changes were slated for 5.1
foggy latch
except you do 2 step mudra at kassatsu which funny enough you were also doing it in prev expacs but with raiton
rapid sapphire
(I would like to see fans rng be a little more consistent; bard songs to be a little less convluted + apex arrow scaling up more with more soul gauge consumed; and mch overheat + wildfire to match duration)
foggy latch
no
wicked narwhal
As of now our dps are like 1000-1500 lower than other range /cry
foggy latch
dont want overheat match WF duration
fuck that
i dont want 7 gcds WF
when 6 is already dumb hard to pull already
and that means extra 2 heat blasts
- 2 more weaves in 1.5s
no ty
wicked narwhal
Wold be more easier to play if that sanber dance ogcd
rapid sapphire
more thinking from 8 to 10 seconds so at best would be easier to get 6 (and 7 as a fringe benefit)
foggy latch
no
rapid sapphire
fine 
uncut charm
idk why
heat blast is 1.5s
just make it another fake warrior
whats the harm when you already make DRK fake war
foggy latch
no
uncut charm
wat
wicked narwhal
How much hit you can put during wf?
foggy latch
6
uncut charm
the whole thing that penalize it is because HB is 1.5s
and people with high ping can't weave ogcd properly
dont tell me you can't weave your ogcd with 2.5s
wicked narwhal
4 HB+ RC GR
uncut charm
you still have to weave
foggy latch
or even overheat period
foggy latch
that increase is very minimal
uncut charm
you'd prob still clip
wicked narwhal
uncut charm
well
rdps ranking now
technically you can fuck care raid alignment
and still orange cos you have no party buff
just burn all your ogcd before entering overheat
if orange is your concern
wicked narwhal
Would be nice if that drill ogcd lol
foggy latch
i will reconsider that again if i wanna go 99.9%
but im just happy with 95
they still need to keep something for those 1%
that try to get best logs
but it should be low enough that it shouldnt impact your dps hard
lusty basin
oh they finally buffed ninja
lusty oak
e4s what abilities are physical?
dull radish
seems like megalith, stonecrusher, fault line, autos from little titan
lusty oak
ty
little mesa
ninja now does higher rdps than sam xddd
vestal prawn
My first clear of E3N, and i think going by the logs i was doing real well! I was only a little behind my co-healer (whom i suspect was overhealing given how often she casted medica 2 and cure, and didn't use Planery+Rapture or stuff like that, and she kinda healed the tanks before i could so i stuck to doing better on the massive group damage and dpsing, even though she still sorta out DPSed me because she remembered to assize more often and got off more miseries than me because she was blood lily fishing by solacing the tanks a lot. I however got off more glares and actually used Presense of mind and our DPS was actually fairly close, i think i would've done more dps had i remembered to eat food and didn't clip my dias so bad and remembered to always cast assize on cd without fail.) I did have one stupid death to a spinning dive i didn't see coming, but other than that i think i'm getting better and my cpm is better as well!
serene lotus
@vestal prawn Go to xivanalysis.com and enter the URL from the log and it will tell you what you can improve on
uncut charm
@stable basin do post your video guide at #587203642138820631 instead 
stable basin
@uncut charm do the same people who mod the actual ffxiv reddit also mod this discord? Just curious.
uncut charm
Technically yes. The subreddit moderators holds administrator rights on this discord, because this is the subreddit's discord. But the handling of the daily operations of the discord falls on the Chat Moderators here.
ember saddle
Anyone here prefer E2S over E3S?
storm frostBOT
Warning issued for Clawshrimpy#4143
heavy mist
yes
stable basin
So I've been feeling a pang of dissapointment lately after seeing a parse between me and a SMN friend during Titania Ex
Maybe it's unwarranted. I had 9.9k Dps as my RDM with bad food compared to his 11k as SMN. The fight was Titania Ex. I feel like I should have had at least 10k or so. But I was doing as best as I could, double weaving and snagging procs as best as I could. On training dummy, I can get 11.2k. Is that good enough? :/
heavy mist
RDM will naturally do less dps than a SMN when have similar ilevel + skill level
don't fret, and uh not sure on exactly the dmg RDM is supposed to have
id say check out the RDM channel in the balance to potential help
🤔
@stable basin . Sadly im only good at looking at DRG stuff lol
stable basin
It still feels kinda shitty being 67 and he's at 95. Lol
Knowing that that's as good as it can probably get on my favorite job is a bit depressing
stable basin
I'm really not sure what I could have fixed
foggy latch
your ilvl?
stable basin
Either I got early 80/80 to line up with phases safe to dump it, or I get it late and it messes up certain parts since I have to dodge mechanics, i.e. break tethers, swap for lightning, etc.
At the time, it was 450 with subpar substats and ronkan rapier
foggy latch
i450?
stable basin
Yeah, I sorta wonder what it might be now
stable basin
Since my det it 400 higher, I have 450 rapier, and use pots and robe salad
foggy latch
pots are 2% dps increase at very best
foggy latch
food mainly required for vitality
and you already overgearing the fight
substats in food are about 1% dps increase
stable basin
Every % counts
The one thing I feel was unavoidable
Was not getting procs when I want them
I dreaded not pulling a proc,
stable basin
It still bothered me greatly
Cuz there were times I got plenty of prova
*procs
And broke 80/80 much earlier
Which let me avoid getting hit by mechanics
Wheras I would have since it was say
38/44 or 79/83
And have to drop another gcd to break the mana thresh or combo thresh
foggy latch
if rdm doesnt proc he would cast something else
meanwhile a brd or dnc will keep pressing 1 skill til it proc and the proc is ogcd so it doesnt affect the rotation its basically free extra damage
stable basin
True
foggy latch
but yeah
stable basin
I just hate that whole
You did not get a proc
Thus your combo is late
And now you have to wait an extra gcd or two
Whereas you did a combo
And can build up mana again
foggy latch
does it become late that it lead to missing extra full combo in a fight
stable basin
It did lead to situations where
If I got a good amount of procs
I'd get more scorches out before first add phase
At times I had full mana for a combo on first add
And other times because less procs
I had mana up, where other times, it was off 15 sec
stable basin
Just because of those few procs being gotten or not
It just felt weird how at times I would have my embolden or mana lined up at slightly diff times because of procs
A variable of 10-15 sec while she transitions during her small and big add phase
stable basin
It's not big, but it felt like I was getting that one or two scorch, and other times, I did not
Well, it depends on party comp
If there are melee dps
I use it when its best to use
If its like full casters, they get no benefit
foggy latch
what about phys ranged?
foggy latch
fine
stable basin
I wish it affected all dmg for team
So I don't have those party comps where I feel like I selfishly use it
Because the rest get no benefit, except tanks
foggy latch
anyway you gotta try again after you get i450 wep
foggy latch
as long you cross purple line
stable basin
Had to get 10 tomes
foggy latch
then you are fine
stable basin
And I have deep jacket
I'll get the wep next. Afaik, the cap is going up to 900 next tues?
foggy latch
this is my blm, while there is abit of room for improvement but thats about as far as i can go as i450 blm
no
cap going 450
til 5.2
and will be gone
stable basin
Also, is it just me, or are there times where it feels like manfacation drops when you hit scorch, and at times just after scorch hits?
foggy latch
idk rdm much
stable basin
I tried both times, no weaving or corp on a dummy
foggy latch
tbh
stable basin
Just straight combo
Felt like it falls off at slightly diff times
I worry that can mess up stuff. 5% dps on a 700 is a lot to lose
foggy latch
stuff should be lined up regardless if u had procs or not
unless you end up capping mana if u used manafiction at 50/50+
stable basin
Nah
I will always try to keep it 49/50
One always stays below 50, the other never more than 50-52
Even if there are times it goes 100/100, i save accel to still get a guranteed proc off holy or flare
But its rare
I do have to remember to case vercure during downtime
So I have a dualcast ready
stable basin
During a fight yes
I refuse to use it lol
But during downtime, I should use it to get a dualcast
foggy latch
yeah
stable basin
There are times I don't and just go for jolt and remember after, "oh right, vercure gives dual"
rustic marsh
how is ninja right now, does anyone know? whats a universally accepted meta comp (in the ofrm of speed running?)
glossy musk
It's in a much better spot than before.
meta is still going to be the same as before, MNK/DRG/BRD/BLM
vestal prawn
https://youtu.be/wMsWoDy4q10 got my first inno ex clear with my fc
still died to much and my performance irt uptime, overhealing, and cpm wasn't great but my fc cohealer wasn't completely perfect either so i didn't feel completely outclassed.
digital gazelle
anyone know how much DH is required just to activate it?
lusty oak
above 0?
hoary socket
One DH 60 meld will activate it. Most jobs should be melding DH as one of their priority stats
vale dagger
Nope I'm going to do it my way and thats SS/Crit :P
glossy musk
vale dagger
Because I want to be that guy lol
vale dagger
lyric summit
!faq substats
storm frostBOT
lyric summit
or something
digital gazelle
i meld one dh 60 then thanks
glossy musk
It's (on a patchwerk fight) 17139.79 vs 17178.48. Still no reason to ever not be optimizing
crit will see use in later tiers when the exponential scaling catches up again
naive isle
Hey all, I'm looking to get into this game coming from WoW. How is the endgame by comparison? Is it the same types of mechanics? Or are fights more interesting / difficult in general? Or easier overall?
Also as someone who primarily likes playing a melee style character (warrior / rogue / dk etc) what would you recommend I try out in terms of competitive classes in endgame? I don't want to put a ton of time into a character that's habitually at the bottom of representation
stable basin
I haven't played wow but I'm sure someone will correct me if I throw in that I gather savage raids in ff14 are heroic-mythic level and ultimates are high-end mythic
And fewer fights overall but more intricate scripted mechanics
pastel cobalt
@naive isle All the melee DPS are somewhat close in power right now, with Monk being a bit above the rest. Tanks are pretty decently close to each other too, iirc. It's really hard to tell how things will be in the future though, as a balance/rework for some jobs is coming with patch 5.1 somewhat soon. I would say to look at the job guides for each job that you might be interested in, and choose something you think you might like. After all, if it turns out you don't like a class, you could just switch to another on the same character.
stable basin
Just starting to pug into e4s, ive seen some videos, but in the party finder im seeing "o2y3" can anyone explain what this means and how it works?
uncut charm
its for uplift one
if you get orange you drop to the side with 2 open/safe tiles
if you get yellow you drop to the side with 3 open/safe tiles
glad tapir
does anyone know if there is a cactbot discord server exsist or something like that?
or does anyone know where i get help with this plugin?
dusk willow
Do we have the stat priorities for casters?
dusk willow
Eep. What do I do if I share gear?
foggy latch
deal with it
dusk willow
Gotcha
foggy latch
and dont change
while it will make some parts of rotation abit of an issue
but it wont impact your dps hard
dull radish
Hmmm. This is missing some precision. BLM isn't specifically sps/dh or anything, that's just what the strongest BiS has. The second strongest which is nearly comparable has high crit, instead. Along with this, BLM rotationally is pretty fine at any sps, though you'll probably want at least some anyways. Just don't sac ilvl for sps. But in general BLM is a bit more flexible with strength in secondaries (especially sps) compared to the other casters.
At BiS level we have some shared sets that swap out tome vs savage pieces, and shared pieces don't have meld conflicts (though I think RDM updated their BiS recently with some melds that might need some adjusting in the shared set)
@dusk willow
dusk willow
Well for now I'm trying to figure out what materia to put on my leveling gear, 70-80. For black mage I figure spell speed on the weapon. But crit on the body pieces would be good so red mage and summoner could benefit from it too?
lusty oak
Its not like they dont benifit from DH
storm frostBOT
lusty oak
what was correct command
dusk willow
So melding just about anything works fine while leveling?
lusty oak
Basically you should not care much, difference is substats is not that big
Most of your damage is weapon damage and main stat
dusk willow
Mkay. Then I'll go for a crit build once I cap to benefit all my casters.
lusty oak
While leveling yes anything that boosts damage is good
Dont be that guy who melds sks on casters though
Or tenacity or piety
At cap its better to actually decide which caster you prefer to play and then follow guide
dusk willow
I see. Well thanks for the advice!
flat roost
steady pebble
piety only works for healers
rain field
lyric summit
expert roulette, ronkan gear for goetia tomes for 440, eden normal for more 450 gear, phantasmagoria tomes for 460, eden savage for 470 gear
worldly moss
Just finished shb, goddamn that was good... I've been squealing for the last 2 hours
lyric summit
brd 
quick verge
so you picked brd
lyric summit
traitor smh
sweet blade
For Normal?
fringe granite
Savage
sweet blade
You cant get gear after your first weekly clear
steady pebble
you can't roll on anything after you've cleared for the week
So unless you're helping someone else with their clear, no reason to go back in
fringe granite
But I didn't get anything
sweet blade
You have one chance to get gear when you clear for that week, and thats it
steady pebble
it doesn't matter
Only normal mode lets you keep running until you win something
Savage, whether you win something or not, you are locked out of loot for the week
that's why you get a book for every clear
so if you don't win anything, you can eventually get the item you want
fringe granite
So I guess the question I ask for next week is necklace or ring?
lyric summit
check your bis on the balance
but if you're pugging, get whatever ilvl upgrades you can
fringe granite
I know what I need it's just a matter of getting it
heavy mist
roll on everything
foggy latch
not sure if its worth to dot gaols in E4S as bard
cause they die fast
at least 1st one
the 2nd live long enough to get few procs
the 2nd set at uplift i LB it
foggy latch
its not long enough to hit both
i tried that
idk why apex arrow range is shorter than regular brd skills tbh
it annoy me during levi
when i have to go away at puddles when i have guage at 80
and cap before double current
uncut charm
!wl @foggy latch
storm frostBOT
uncut charm
your DC doesnt have like parse parties on PF?
sweet blade
Usually people just join a clear party when they want to parse
foggy latch
@uncut charm take years to fill up and i have busy RL
and who cares about logs pfs anymore
rDPS is what matters
logs pf only needed for aDPS
foggy latch
except i dont wanna do ultimates
i barely afford seeing ppl wipe me 20 hours to savage fight
i dont wanna see same amount but 5 times now
and all that for glam and title
no ty
polar iron
i have no idea how all star points even work lol
tbh id imagine parse parties might be the same crap as 1 chest clears or whatever
polar iron
yee
foggy latch
star points compare difference between your dps and top guy
polar iron
o ok
uncut charm
yeah
foggy latch
so if we say
uncut charm
it ranks every fight based on your rdps ranking
foggy latch
top guy say did 14k
foggy latch
and gold parse
and u did 13500 and got 90% parse
your all star points will be around 118
118 is orange ASP
while your rdps is purple
it compare your difference to top dps guy / num of ppl parsed said fight
uncut charm
my all stars is already dropping cos I didnt really bother to maintain
469 drop to 464 now I think
foggy latch
ASP is a meme btw
foggy latch
just like median
which is even bigger meme
like ppl who only upload good logs
and not upload bad logs
so you only see oranges
but nothing else
or someone actually
do 200+ kills all oranges
so it fixes his median
that was rainbow at start of tier
dull radish
I dunno, ASP isn't too much a meme
especially since it's harder to pad rdps, compared to padding pdps before
it's better than a lot of other alternatives for measuring performance, since it updates a bit more clearly instead of historical percentile which just kinda stays
steep iris
arctic fractal
I have a question; I started in July so I'm quite new to the game. I cleared all of Eden last week for the first time, what's the best way to prepare for Savage Eden other than watching the videos? And what's the recommended gear level for Savage runs of Eden?
sweet blade
For the earlier fights a video should be fine, You need at least 440 for Savage, though I would suggest getting at least 450
arctic fractal
Ok, thanks. I'm at work right now but I believe my current gear tier is 446, so a bit more to go then for 450
sweet blade
Yeah that should be fine
sweet blade
E2S is 445
quick verge
I'd still recommend 450 as 2s hurts a fair amount
wintry crest
how does the weekly cap on eden relics work?
sweet blade
Savage?
foggy latch
eden relics?
@sweet blade entry ilvl =/ minimum ilvl to clear
i cant see i445 party
meeting the 71k rdps easily
sweet blade
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Its completely possible, difficult sure, and I dont recommend it, but its still the minimum
stable basin
You should definitely be looking to have more than the min ilvl to pug savage
Min ilvl is totally meaningless anyways because you don't actually need to meet it to enter
stable basin
Even at i450, e2s enrage is preeetty tight
Scraped it with a couple deaths week 1 but not by a huge margin
foggy latch
agree
sweet blade
450 is fine for learning E2S
And odds are you probably wont clear in a week with pugs, so you have time to get Phanta/Eden normal gear
sweet blade
Getting past 450 is time locked, so you may as well start progging now
foggy latch
he can do E1S meanwhile
since aoes there are max HP % based
and dps check in there is much much lower
lusty oak
Best feeling is to murder e2s right after 1 cycle
Cant wait for kill before whole phase
stable basin
My static kills before first quietus now if we don't pepega early phases
south pendant
Not played since whatever gave you diamond gear, how much has raiding changed since then?
stable basin
Pretty much the same
south pendant
They've changed the classes, I came back and all my abilities could no longer be used lol
stable basin
Floor 1 is easy but has plenty of chances to wipe, floor 2 is a mechanics experiment, floor 3 is the real dark souls, floor 4 has people running around everywhere to resolve debuffs and tons of raidwides
Actually floor 3 feels pretty tame this time
south pendant
have I missed much raids or was there just one other Alexander and what came with this update?
stable basin
But pugs can't do black smokers so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
There was one more savage tier in stormblood
south pendant
Alright, thanks
foggy latch
killing E2S before cycles is great
no need to do that pepega dodging
cant wait so we skip smokers in E3S
we got it 5% when smokers cast started
4 have i475 wep
arctic fractal
I'm a WHM, but yeah, I guess DPS check still matters with Glare
chilly willow
What exactly happens with the loot in eden savage when 2 people who already cleared that week joins a new group and clear again?
sweet blade
You only get 1 chest
dull radish
yep, only one chest appears (random chest), the people who have cleared already do not see the loot, cannot roll on the loot, and do not get any additional page
sweet blade
1-3 people in the party already cleared, you get 1 chest, 4 or more, no chests spawn
dull radish
everyone else that hasn't already cleared can see the chest and roll on the contents, and get their page as usual
and even with no chests as Meara mentioned, people that still are getting their weekly clear from that, will still get their page
chilly willow
Ah nice, ty
glossy musk
How the fuck can pugs not do black smokers it’s literally the easiest part
Move in, wait, move out
Repeat
foggy latch
idk if orange parse became much harder to get
or im shitter
im 300 dps behind in all fights
despite im.just missing chest and acc i470
foggy latch
i had purple -> orange party
still couldnt get close to orange
!whologs @foggy latch
storm frostBOT
quick verge
play better idk
glossy musk
Are you in BIS? Cause a lot of people are now so it’ll be hard to get if you don’t have weapon and such
foggy latch
finally orange parse
foggy latch
sorry idk how to milk add phase that last 15 secs
need to last much longer
cause i want to get orange in it?
errant tree
at e3s at black smoker phase, is there any requirement that tanks get the cone aoes? cause we managed to reach that point and had both cone aoes on the right site. while the 2nd tank had aggro on the left side
thanks in advance 
quick verge
proximity
stable basin
Cone fires at the furthest target
errant tree
thanks
dull radish
I sincerely doubt adds phase is what's holding you back from getting orange, or that it's taking just 15s to kill adds
adds generally live a good bit longer than people think
foggy latch
well, with good dps they dont live
and my job is based on procs
i need about 1500+ rdps just on adds to get 95 assuming i did 10300 on boss
highest i got was 1200
dull radish
In your pb the adds lasted over 30s
I don't really see the kill time going all that much faster on those adds for groups without using LB, for the most part
You can get a bit more from the arcane spheres if they live a bit longer, since RoD can hit them all (just like WHM holy can, who can nearly solo them), but yeah. AoE padding will help of course, but I don't think it's the sole thing at play here at all
vestal prawn
i always feel nervous when i post that i'mlooking for a static, always worried i'm not good enough to a static's standard yet. it'd jsut be nice to have a regularly group to roll with other than nmy FCs fairly wonky schedule to have endgame friends to play with, since most statics focus on Savage, despite me still being more at the EX trials stage still. (even those some have encouraged me to look for a static reguardness because some might run EX trials with me till i'm ready, especially if it means i get to run it with a more consistant group tolearn in as opposed tothe chaos of partyfinder for EX trials, especially since my FC has a funky schedule) I jsut get nervous to ask since most Statics adverting are kinda recruitng for late Savage, which i'm not ready for.
jsut my FC has a bit of a funky schedule so looking for a static feels like something i should just do for the sake of finding a group for a timeframe that's easier for me so i cans tick around to just get more pulls and practice in...
foggy latch
keep looking and try
some statics can be worse than pf
so you see them and they see you
static only have 2 benefits
1- raids are fixed on certain time and days and most the time it have same people every week so there is some level on consistency in performance compared to pf that you always party with different ppl with different strats
2- loot can be planned as who get what compared to pf you roll on everything and hope you get something
blazing elbow
some? People really underestimate pugs. I knew of a handful that were able to clear titan week 2. That’s better than a good number of statics.
you don’t need to wait until you have a static to raid! Join an e1s learning party and try it out. That said, there is usually an expectation that you’ve at least seen a video or read a guide beforehand.
foggy latch
idk how true is this
but without reducing bosses hp by 15% means stuff would be unbeatable week 1
titan enrage would go from 74k to 85k
blazing elbow
weird jab at pf but ok
stable basin
That's either a hard miscalculation or BS
Titan would be literally impossible week 1 if they only reduced its hp by 10% from whatever standard they're using
foggy latch
imagine E2S requiring 79k rdps
stable basin
The rDPS needed to kill 10% reduction titan gives you a kill time of 12:3x on live Titan
stable basin
And the number of groups who broke 13:00 on their first clear was zero
lusty oak
Need raid weapons to beat later floors
stable basin
Just barely squeaking by on 0% reduced Titan gives you the rDPS of a top 10 speedrun with a lot of groups at full BiS 
foggy latch
5% of titan is about 3750 rdps
which is somewhat reasonable
if titan went from 75k to like 78 or 79k
stable basin
Mayyybe one or two groups would have been able to grind through it?
But even 10% reduction would be either borderline or literally impossible week 1
15% reduced Titan was hard enough as it was
foggy latch
acc upgrade could make a difference
stable basin
Borderline impossible with a fast instance if you didn't have MNK+BLM
foggy latch
difference between ilvls i mean
stable basin
Well, the fastest week 1 first clear on Titan was 13:01
foggy latch
before u could skip acc upgrade
rain rover
thoughts on dnc? what is the consensus opinion in terms of utility/dps/fun factor as of now?
blazing elbow
Well fun factor is definitely subjective. Some people will find it more fun than others.
That said it's no secret that dancer is in a pretty rough spot rDPS wise. But then again, all three of the physical ranged dps are in a pretty rough spot right now comparatively. DNC in particular is at the bottom of the totem pole.
rapid sapphire
my personal experence is it's a little more fun than bard when can get a good burst going but is a little too rng dependent. in comparison bard is a little easier to play but doesn't feel like very good personal dps (looking at you, apex arrow)
utility wise I think dancer is a touch overrated (since all 3 ranged have a defense skill) given how hard bard was nerfed rDPS wise
I don't have machinist at 80 for a fair comparison yet (leveling at 71 and trying to get a feel of how I'm supposed to play it again after ignoring it exists for most of SB)