endgame-lounge

[simple sky]

a disco inferno
😎

[quick verge]

im interested in dancer's pdps

if they can just

nut a 30% crit/dcrit buff on someone

[lyric summit]

tbf I wouldn't be surprised if saber dance is like significantly lower on partner than yourself

like dragon sight

test build tooltips

[boreal edge]

dnc be like: you wanna see me twirt my dick/boobs 4 times? but it will cost you your life

[quick verge]

what

[lyric summit]

[simple sky]

twirt

[quick verge]

im glad that pld has real aoe now

i won't want to uninstall leveling the job

[simple sky]

flash is gone

[boreal edge]

but pld

[lyric summit]

full eclipse is gone too

[boreal edge]

get almost holy

not real holy

literally unplayable

[quick verge]

they get requiescat aoe and actual aoe

wow!!!

and a charge

and instant casts

qol changes: the expac

[boreal edge]

its only instant cast under requiscat

[quick verge]

ok?

[lyric summit]

it gets the sword spike like gw2 mesmer

[simple sky]

so all the time

dang

[quick verge]

that's like the only place it matters

[boreal edge]

u still aoe if requiscat isnt ready

[quick verge]

yeah you get aoe that will do damage

and that you can spam

and not lose tp on

them move on to requiescat

and do aoe

[boreal edge]

what aoe?

total eclipse?

[quick verge]

did you not watch the job actions trailer

[boreal edge]

the big sword skill feels a cd

[simple sky]

...

[lyric summit]

2 gcd combo instead of one

[quick verge]

did you not see the giant snowflake that they casted

the bigger holy spirit

sorta looks like...

an aoe

[boreal edge]

almost holy

[lyric summit]

that probably eats half your gauge

[boreal edge]

yes

[lyric summit]

holy circle

[simple sky]

what could it be

[quick verge]

that's some nice quality

[simple sky]

i just snipped off youtube

[lyric summit]

nice gif

[simple sky]

I ain't making a gif

[quick verge]

ok bud

[simple sky]

https://youtu.be/jaGxC7wnBDo?t=454

fine then

[quick verge]

i can't click on links

[simple sky]

ok

[quick verge]

please gif me daddy

thanks

[simple sky]

there are like

2 separate gcd aoes in the video

that look like a combo of some sort

[quick verge]

total eclipse and totaler eclipse

[lyric summit]

total eclipse - totaler eclis

f u

[quick verge]

thanks

[sweet blade]

I believe all tanks now how a combo aoe

[quick verge]

great minds think alike

i don't feel like playing pld until the expac

but i don't feel like playing pld anyway

[simple sky]

u gonna play PLD next expac?

[quick verge]

of course

my trick bitch was gonna play a tank

but then he saw nin do some weeb shit

and now he's going back to trick bitch

[simple sky]

[lyric summit]

what if trick is gone

[quick verge]

then why does suiton exist

[lyric summit]

what if triple ranged meta

to eat for 40 ninki duh

[quick verge]

then he'll prob play mnk or drg

he's a big slut for melee

[simple sky]

Trick is still in the game as o fnow

[lyric summit]

my drg was nutting over drg trailer with like. 2 new GCDs

small melee brains

[quick verge]

hey man

[lyric summit]

always a mystery

[quick verge]

they did the

nidhogg thing

[lyric summit]

elusive jump combo

new rdm

[simple sky]

not nutting over the faster jump animations

tsk tsk

[quick verge]

tsk tsk

not moving out of aoes last second after you used jump

unskilled playerbase

[simple sky]

jumps during panto

[quick verge]

i just wanna unleash my inner melee with the pld gap closer

like oh boy

i get to go back into ucob and not jp dodge every chariot

[lyric summit]

inb4 ucob closed with 5.0

[quick verge]

gonna drive a truck into sqex hq

[lyric summit]

you can roleplay in t9

[quick verge]

doesn't chariot have an aoe indicator in t9

[lyric summit]

ucob RP static lfm

gonna zone into each boss as fast as possible

ssd players only

[quick verge]

yikes

[lyric summit]

will check benchmark scores

[quick verge]

how's bahamut gonna work

you just gonna blast the latter half of answers

and paste an image of golden done in mspaint on your screen

[lyric summit]

play golden theme in fc house and gpose with yellow lights around the bahamut statue

[quick verge]

how big is that statue

need to make sure you can't see past the wings

[simple sky]

you zoom in

[lyric summit]

I was doing triple hatch last time and we moved the bosses and I got a pov of those bahamut wings

hardest mechanic in ucob

[quick verge]

i enjoy his wings having a seizure as he casts exaflare

and the existential dread that i have until after the 2nd morn afah

who's gonna rp as the exaflares

and the blinding arena during adds

[lyric summit]

hrothgar with the arrow shaped stripes

[quick verge]

this is gonna be so bad

[misty berry]

Looks like a good time haha

[simple sky]

biscuit teaching ucob to randos

[quick verge]

most of them have cleared

and we got to bahamut

[misty berry]

Nice

[winged glen]

bahamut pet

[hot bear]

I found Alpha in Mor Dhona's kitchen!

[devout topaz]

Awwww ❤❤

[cold ember]

alpha also appears in behemoths den

[boreal edge]

@quick verge as much as trap parties go, they can be most successful

[raw flicker]

Am I the only here worried about the Garlands making bio-mechanical monstrosities?

[glossy musk]

Yeah everyone else is cool with those

What could go wrong

[raw flicker]

Oh thanks for your name, gotta make Jojo macros before shadowbringers

[lyric summit]

#archived-lore-spoilers probably

also it's garleans

[chrome furnace]

Is it only me or does Seiryu's theme kinda sound like XIII-2's battle theme in some places

[oak wedge]

this update is taking forever to download

[rancid lion]

You can do it

[heady comet]

!faq Leveling

!faq level

!faq levelguide

[storm frost]

Levelling Guide for Alt jobs 🍻

Info

Level 1 to 70 in five days (Stormblood)

[boreal edge]

step 1 have a friend to get you to lv15

ok i failed the guide

[hazy narwhal]

Friends can be bought

[lyric summit]

step 1 use #kupo-bot-spam

[smoky veldt]

step 2 go back to #endgame-lounge to try the command again

[stable basin]

Step 3 ????

[calm atlas]

K that leveling guide is awesome

[boreal edge]

PROFIT

[boreal edge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/bu2urp/rebalancing_ultimates_for_50_changes_or_making/

[thorn bear]

Large XD by people wanting them made easy

The mechanics would be a major joke at level 80

[misty berry]

Yeah.

[rapid sapphire]

or even just removing the item level soft cap would make ultimate ham pretty easy (all things considered)

[latent temple]

Boost Ultimates to level 80

[fossil basalt]

i'll boost your ultimates 😏

[glossy musk]

Just remove the rewards and it would be fine

That’s what most games do anyway

[latent temple]

Is there any updated video on how to do 011s
the MTQ one is from Sept

[lyric summit]

the fight is still the same so not really

though some of the strats she suggests are different in pfs, but if they are then you'll probably see it in a macro

[latent temple]

ok I ask because I remember seeing a post about a meme strat that launches 3 fists together
Just figured I'd ask incase there are more things like that.

[lyric summit]

everyone cheeses the red fists with tank lb3 but she mentions that in the vid too

most common macro in eu is/was probably this one

[glossy musk]

Holy shit that’s fancy

We just say “ccw back adjust”

[lyric summit]

eu: best macros, worst strats (fennek)

[wild silo]

Where did they make that from???

It looks so cool wtf

[lyric summit]

jk i'm a braindead dps and see literally no difference in fennek vs unreal

[boreal edge]

to think ppl seem to found dancer opener

https://i.redd.it/hxqxjdaie0131.png

[lyric summit]

"opener"

do both dances, press the proc button and spend the procs

[boreal edge]

yes

pretty simple opener

[lyric summit]

also flourishing fan dance didn't trigger anything on yoshi's hotbars so either he didn't have it keybinded or it requires feathers

cause he didn't have any

but everyone in dnc lounge seems pretty certain that it's another ogcd so i'm gonna call nda breach on that

[boreal edge]

another reason to not pick dancer as levelling job to me

[quick verge]

just pay someone to level it for you

[boreal edge]

or a job i wanna play at lv80

[lyric summit]

i wanna play a new ranged cause bored of smn

[boreal edge]

play mch

[lyric summit]

but new mch aesthetic isn't super convincing unless the job is complex, rdm is still boring and brd can burn in hell so probably blm or dnc

[boreal edge]

why brd go to hell?

[quick verge]

cause it's brd

proc simulator 2011

[boreal edge]

you know brd getting rid of crit procs?

in 5.0

[quick verge]

it's still gonna be proc simulator 2019+1

[lyric summit]

meh i dunno maybe it'll play better than currently, though everyone loves current brd

i don't

[boreal edge]

no fuck current brd

piano

[quick verge]

brd is a good mechanic bitch

[boreal edge]

no u

[quick verge]

i got to fulfill my dream of doing panto 2 bait on brd

so i can retire the job

[boreal edge]

its easier than it looks

even asshole like me did it

[quick verge]

yeah ive known how to do it

but i cbf to play anything besides melee in that cursed fight

[boreal edge]

O11S is cursed?

[quick verge]

you ever pug 11s

[boreal edge]

its still better to me than O10S

i did

[quick verge]

o10s is doubly cursed

[boreal edge]

O11S farm for gear = level checker prog

[quick verge]

actually level checker is kinda cursed on drg with 15% echo

you kill it at like the 2nd set of tower explosions

then you just let your eyes drop

[boreal edge]

dies before u finish nastronds?

also

do panto 2 bait?

ppl still cant skip panto 2

with 15% echo?

[thorn bear]

bro

I bet pugs

saw chrybdis

constantly

[quick verge]

what's charybdis

[boreal edge]

hp 1 mechanic

[thorn bear]

excatly biscuit

[quick verge]

charybdis is my favorite o1s mechanic

[thorn bear]

mfw my old healers from my first ever static

would panic everytime charybdis came out

like you didn't get 10 years to heal everyone up past like

10k

[boreal edge]

i never seen chrybdis after my 1st O11S kill

[thorn bear]

I saw it in pugs because people died during panto 2

so like 3 people survived

Reset

ah wait

its called Loop

l00p

o11s is actually dope asf

[latent temple]

my FC static is going to try 011s tonight
Im not expecting it to go well.

[high ether]

that fight is hard

[boreal edge]

O11S never go well for starters

[high ether]

there is no eScape

from the fist

✊

[boreal edge]

fist me hard daddy

[quick verge]

small fists are a pretty blessed mechanic

[vital cypress]

the embargo lifts in 8 hours, right?

[torn kindle]

yep

or maybe 7 hours? don't know the exact time

[vernal swallow]

#announcements

[ocean forge]

5 hours actually

nvm... i am way too late to the party TwT

[granite mortar]

end game? what is this?

[lyric summit]

content at lvl 70

[timber shore]

glam

[smoky veldt]

content at lvl80*

[steady pebble]

not shadowbringers yet

[smoky veldt]

smh, i wanna talk about shadowbringers endgame content

[azure hill]

That's impossible, they haven't shown the crafted glamour gear yet 😏

[lyric summit]

stop supporting the bad meme

[lyric summit]

!faq meta

[storm frost]

Meta Jobs FAQ

[smoky veldt]

git gud

[hazy crypt]

Fox right now is making trying to work out a 5.0 rotation for MCH.

[lyric summit]

basically all balance mentors are trying to work out new stuff

[boreal edge]

mch rot is much simpler now

given no ammo

[lyric summit]

sad

[boreal edge]

and it will be combo

[lyric summit]

yeah not a fan

[boreal edge]

overheat being limited to heat blast 5 times

ricochet and gauss barrel.charges limited during buffs

to maximize dmg

and best to combine overheat and WF together

to maximize WF damage

since its pure potency gain

and its only triggered by gcds

not any action

you may want to only trigger overheat when you gonna be able to extend it

[foggy latch]

[boreal edge]

so it last entirety of WF + 6 secs

[lyric summit]

I'm probably gonna drop mch with 5.0 and just be one of the normies making fun of it having 5 players

[boreal edge]

the issue is weaving the charged skills

during those 16 secs of overheat

it will still rely on ping still

we gonna see 2 rotations of mch

for the most part

the normal ping one ( normal overheat and WF )

the low ping ( extended overheat and maximized charges usage weaving )

[errant kayak]

But wildfire is dependant on gcds?

If you don’t clip your gcds then it should be fine

[boreal edge]

but then

u will have maximum charges

for half the duration of extended overheat

why

[errant kayak]

Charges?

Am I forgetting something

[boreal edge]

charhmges of ricochet

[errant kayak]

Oh the ogcds?

[boreal edge]

and gauss barrel

[errant kayak]

I mean you can still weave them though right?

As long as they aren’t maxed out it shouldn’t matter

[boreal edge]

u can weave em

but

with heat blast on 1.5s

you will clip cds

unless u have

[errant kayak]

Even single weaving?

[boreal edge]

soo low ping

yes

[errant kayak]

Huh

Then maybe extended overheat isn’t the way to go

[boreal edge]

its not the way to go

if you have above 30ms

so mch will still rely on ping

for skilled play

[errant kayak]

Still, to a lesser extent

[boreal edge]

idk how impactful it will be

given the only increase

is just

[errant kayak]

I wanted to kill myself doing the current opener

[boreal edge]

1/2 extra gcds under WF

you can go with normal rot

and not lose much from it

but saying that mch wont have a rot the rely on ping is totally wrong

and yes

i forgot something interesting

chances mch will need some sks

to do 7 GCDs WF

in normal play you might be able to do 5 GCDs in WF

with some extra sks

u could do 6th GCD / 7th ( under extended overheat + WF )

[sturdy shell]

Ultimates will still be forced sync min ilvl according to GoldenTot/Frosty's interview with YoshiP

[boreal edge]

where

link?

[lyric summit]

I have this from balance spoilers but idk where it's from

said strats will have to adjust cause of things like no ultimatum

[steep iris]

well they have tank stance now

shouldn't be too bad

[lyric summit]

idk tank shit

primal roulette could be yikes

but idk heal shit either

[sharp mist]

might as well just say press buttons if someone dies press more buttons!

[boreal edge]

for what i know

tanking will be abit easier in ultimates

given the 20% less damage trait

but idk about the changes done to jobs and how they will perform with all removed stuff and changes on level/potency/shielding of skills

[lyric summit]

I don't think lvl 70 rotations changed all that much

[boreal edge]

potencies did

tho

[lyric summit]

yeah but the damage calculation did too

1250pot technical finish with +10% damage from both dances hits for 51k? current fire 4s happen to hit for more

[boreal edge]

take into account

fire 4 take multiple buffs

[lyric summit]

yeah but I don't think it goes anywhere near that potency anyways

[boreal edge]

add to it it compensate lack of autos by around 40 extra wep dmg on caster jobs

[sleek belfry]

"1250pot technical finish with +10% damage from both dances hits for 51k?"

Yeah non crit

Or dhit

without party buff

[steep iris]

also

removing that unsyncing

doesn't sound like a SE grammatical mistake

also tfw cover is 50 gauge and doesn't mitigate anymore

feelsbadman

uwu opening mitigation messed up already

[quick verge]

F

it'll be mostly whatever since perma 20% mitigation

having the extra 20% from the cover trait would've been oppressive

and very not cool

and another 2 years of pld negating mechanics

[fringe granite]

This coming from a PLD

[heavy mist]

wait so we dont need to worry about primary melds anymore anyways 🤔 so we just sync down with current gear or w/e

unless u want the extra sub stats

i assume its fine for Ultimate?

[lyric summit]

the extra crit melds would be nice

but yeah I guess vit melds aren't a thing anymore

but you get 2 meld slots per accessory too so

probably a significant boost

11 melds + 5 vit melds to 21 melds

840 crit

secondaries

that's like, an op eureka roll

[steep iris]

oh yeah

20% from tank trait already

nvm carry on

[stable basin]

Still think they're just gonna scale up damage so autos/busters hit comparatively just as hard

[steep iris]

but also no apoc

oof

[stable basin]

Only functional difference is autos will just yeet the soul right out of your SAM's body when he rips aggro

[quick verge]

won't be possible unless aggro tank sucks

[stable basin]

No awareness also scares me

[quick verge]

but it also sounds like free third eye procs

[stable basin]

I know we didn't have real access to it for very long but that covers most of my time tanking ex/savage+

It's the only time I ever feel safe ;w;

[quick verge]

who's ready to get that back to back golden crits in our 5.0 ucob farm parties

[stable basin]

[quick verge]

i think im a big fan of removing crits

not excited to get crit thrice in a row

[stable basin]

It does keep you on your toes but not sure if that's worth all the time it puts you into the dirt

[steep iris]

well it's not like tanks can do much about crit autos

in golden

need to hold mitigation for akh morns

[heavy mist]

just hope for parry or block

[wintry ridge]

so PLD DRK are maintanks

and warrior / gunbreaker are OTs I guess

and with dark clone and rework PLD is cya next xpac lol

[stable basin]

why do you say that

looks like war/drk pref mt and gnb/pld preferred ot

[wintry ridge]

they said they want 2 OT 2 MT in the design and warrior and GB have buffs for teammates they put on

[stable basin]

to me

They changed their ming

mind

and

every tank has a thing they buff their teammates with

🤔

[wintry ridge]

PLD and DRK are more centric focused on group MTG and being focal point

GB and WAR not so much

from the playstyle and ability list

[stable basin]

How is DRK centered on group mitigation when it has the worst group mitigation

PLD also has no sustain built into its rotation

[wintry ridge]

all honestly we will probably see a ton of DRK MTs and either warrior for dps OT if GB is not parsing as high

wtf are you talking about

[wet stag]

Clemency isn't part of it's rotation

[wintry ridge]

darkest night and they get another buff that goes ona group too

[stable basin]

Every tank has a tbn analogue

[wintry ridge]

anyway read the updated abilities man

and watch the youtube videos

[stable basin]

And a group mitgation skill

[wet stag]

Also cats

[stable basin]

🤔

[wet stag]

Don't do it

It's not worth it

[steep iris]

war looks like ot cause of the perma 10% cotank mitigation

[paper solstice]

drk night now has a group wide mitigation skill?

[wintry ridge]

DRK and PLD are def MTs this xpac

[steep iris]

might just be a tooltip typo tho

[wintry ridge]

and im thinkng DRK will out dps PLD

so we wont see much PLD

[wet stag]

Nice feelycraft

Where's ur math to back it up

[paper solstice]

I just like Drk getting inner release

[steep iris]

pld still has veil and passage

[stable basin]

PLD still has the most support stuff

[wet stag]

@steep iris it is, nascent only lasts 6s

[wintry ridge]

as for OT probably depoend on highest parse vs GB and WAR

[stable basin]

I don't like DRK getting IR

[wintry ridge]

guess we will have to see who does more damage

[stable basin]

Cause I like playing DRK

And not WAR

[steep iris]

oh so the 30s stuff was all a lie

[wet stag]

Was a typo

[steep iris]

SE smh

[paper solstice]

What did old delirium do again?

[steep iris]

kinda worries me that this is in a press release build

1 month away from launch

like cmon

[wintry ridge]

least WHM is back to being viable and main healer

those red bulls gave it WINGS

and now that DRG is no longer mandatory wonder what the dps will look like going forward

SAM master race incoming!

well NINJA / MONK probably now ;lets be honest

[paper solstice]

I like sam preview, they like old sam but hit harder

[wintry ridge]

Think we are gonna See DRK/WAR MONK/NIN WHM / SCH and BRD / SMN

[stable basin]

There's no reason to take drk from what we've seen

[wintry ridge]

simple damage

[stable basin]

There's no indication it's far ahead of the others in dps

WAR will probably stay top dps because gotta reward that unga bunga

[wintry ridge]

they are the poster child for the xpac but with clone and the high potency moves they have they will be favored MT and i dont see GB overtaking WAR in dps so DRK/WAR more than likely

[torn kindle]

Don't take tooltip potencies from the Media Tour as set in stone, a good amount of things changed between the SB media tour and release.

[stable basin]

im sorry to interrupt in middle of discussion, but may I please get help on this kagerou act?

Thing about being poster child for the expac

MNK and SAM are the SB poster children

[paper solstice]

inner release DRK, wonder how it plays

[simple sky]

remember when Monk was poster child of SB

[wintry ridge]

well Monk and NINJA will be go to

as they are the only ones that offer utiility now in melee

[pure yoke]

there is a little known thing

[simple sky]

Dragoon

[wintry ridge]

no

[pure yoke]

where every job actually has a hidden potency modifer

[simple sky]

Battle Litany still exists

[pure yoke]

that we still do not know

[wintry ridge]

mnk and nin offer more now

pierce is what but drg into that spot

to increase brd damage etc

thats gone now

[pure yoke]

but tooltip wise

DRG gcd to gcd damage is ALOT stronger

[simple sky]

yeah only 2 buffs for DRG now 😩

[pure yoke]

compared to SB

[wintry ridge]

brotherhood more useful now

and mnk damage will be way more than DRG more than likely plus they gave DRG another jump

so basiucally

a 50 percent chance to die

[pure yoke]

nice meme

[paper solstice]

it's faster

[simple sky]

wow such rigor

[pure yoke]

people haven't been dying to jumps since ARR

[simple sky]

[wintry ridge]

but ya mnk / nin new flavor

brd sure

and smn for last ds slot

though i wouldnt mind seeing MCH get play because they look sick

they made them so friggin cool this xpac haha

i mean you get bullet time, equilbrium gun kata and summon tony stark

only thing they are missing is a jump back Mustadio sniper shot

and they are taking away the swift cast raise on RDM right

so RDM moves to trash tier .. only other thing is DNC ... so maybe you just remove melee

and run DRK/WAR WHM/SCH and then SMN BRD DNC MCH (or BLM)

[pure yoke]

before SB launch, people also thought SAM/RDM was going to be meta

and PLD/DRK was going to be the best comp

[wintry ridge]

nah

we hoped

we knew warrior MR forever

[pure yoke]

wasn't a hope

at launch, people didn't run warrior

for awhile

[wintry ridge]

top raiders did

[pure yoke]

until like around midway through Deltascape prog

[wintry ridge]

most at start gated axes

lets be honest

axes are just trash

2 handed sword PLD lore so much better

then people began to do what top few did

ran their compas and meta was born

sorry RPers

[paper solstice]

when you guys talk prog and meta do you apply it to salvage only or salvage and ex content?

[wintry ridge]

but ya i mean melee might be extinct now

DNC BRD SMN MCH

is probably new META

really no point to bring melee save the tanks lol

[paper solstice]

ex content doesn't really need a specific comp in pub

[pure yoke]

there is alot of feelycraft and people talking out of their ass months before an expansion comes out

[wintry ridge]

so they are going back to ff11 roots

ff11 was called at one time

RANGER FANTASY 11

no melee minus the tanks

so if you remove melee mechanics and aoe and have a ranged comp

things would be much easier ya?

with dancer added in it might work out that way with summoner rework and brd being mandatory leaves 1 slot and ya you could run 1 melee but a MCH would just add more cool stuff and do as much damage anyway

or, you run SAM NIN MNK dancer and get rid of ranged lol,

either way it will defintely be cool to see what ends up happening

[errant kayak]

@paper solstice take meta discussion with truckloads of salt, while they do provide valuable insight, it applies to a minuscule portion of the already small raiding community

Just like what yoship said himself

!faq meta

[storm frost]

Meta Jobs FAQ

[errant kayak]

Any job in any comp can complete any content

(uwu being the only exception)

[unique wigeon]

when can we clear dungeons with crafters?

[boreal edge]

@errant kayak why uwu is exception?

[stable basin]

uwu needs specific LBs

can't get to Ultima without a melee and caster

[boreal edge]

i mean

even in comps in savage

they need you to have melee and caster

even if it wont affect your method of handling mechanics

[stable basin]

in savage you can go in with 4 blms and clear

[stable basin]

the question of nerfing RDM verraise to the ground for salvage and above content seem to be getting ask a whole lot more idk if it's due to wow refugee or higher end raider getting sick of the training wheel the job let you get away with

[lyric summit]

it's probably a wow refugee idea but idk tbh

it's definitely not high end raiders being sick of a "training wheel job" cause if you're relying on rdm to dump all his mp to raise 4 people you're gonna fail every dps check either way

[stable basin]

idk maybe someone want a no hold bar fight ?

[steep iris]

I don't think any high end raiders see rdm as a problem

never heard of any complaints even

[errant kayak]

It’s just that you need melee and caster

So you comp technically matters, but not really

[sleek belfry]

"but ya i mean melee might be extinct now"

Talking of people speaking from their ass mouths

[simple sky]

people do this shit all the time, equipping their clown costumes

[slim wren]

So... just so I'm understanding

Will Gunbreaker want to meld SkillSpeed? That should lower the Gnashing Fang/Renzokukuen combo the most (as higher recast times get the most benefit from SkSpd, right?)

Also, gunbreaker and monk's brotherhood is like peas in a pod

[steep iris]

ShB isn't here yet so we wouldn't know

but in general sks is worse than the other substats

[wet stag]

It's possible you wanna go sks or dh for the first tier

Since crit isn't gonna be super strong at the start of the expac

That's how it was in sb anyway

Tanks melded dh

In delta

[slim wren]

Okay. I'm not the greatest at theorycrafting, but from the previewed changes, will SAM/BLM be more valuable?

[dull radish]

I mean, BLM is already justifiably competitive for meta right now

but it's really hard to say where things are until we get a finalized build with all changes and everything cleared up on release

[slim wren]

I'm a monk main turned paladin, adn then I saw gunbreaker. So... I'm trying to not be the guy who mains the brand new class, but it's a tank that plays kind of like a DPS.

Do we know what they meant when they said potency will be deceptive?

[lyric summit]

damage calculation formulas will change so you can't compare current potency to ShB potency

[simple sky]

you can compare ShB potency to ShB potency tho

[fossil basalt]

sort of

[dull radish]

Within context of the same job

[fossil basalt]

the tooltips are still a mess right now

[simple sky]

yea

[fossil basalt]

like how the "upgraded" AST DoT has the same potency as the old one

[simple sky]

but we know changes we are looking for

Combust 3 costs 100 less mana

[fossil basalt]

of course how could i have been so blind

[lyric summit]

it's ok cause the animation is way cooler

[simple sky]

[lyric summit]

it's kinda like stella

remember that meme

ast used to have lasers

[dull radish]

I miss Stella

[lyric summit]

same

[slim wren]

Stella? And I'm trying to level 1 role of each class, is SCH/SUM a good choice for healer and magic dps?

[lyric summit]

all jobs are good

play whatever you want

[slim wren]

Sweetness. I'm really just attracted to the ability to level a healer and a DPS at the same time

Seems like a big time saver

[dull radish]

Stella was an old spell for AST that got removed. Low potency GCD that applied heavy, so pretty much never saw any use. But had a cool little sound effect and laser for the animation

[slim wren]

ahhhhhh

[hazy crypt]

When you realize one of SCH's skills is a reskinned PvP move. Lmao.

[boreal edge]

it was used in A3S

[boreal edge]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=vTMpZruK9Fw

[lusty oak]

TFW servers work on lalafel juice

[pastel cobalt]

lmao

[slim wren]

So... the best in slot for gathering are the crafted pentamelds, right?

[lyric summit]

yes

[slim wren]

Gotcha. What are yellow scrips good for at this point then?

[lyric summit]

probably part of the gear progression? to craft the crafted? idk I don't craft

dol/doh channels when

[slim wren]

I just blew 300ish because I thought Fieldking was an upgrade from even my 2materia slot crafted gear T_T

I am ignorant in the ways of flowers

[steady pebble]

at this point, i wouldn't get yamashi gear

fieldking is more than enough for shb leveling, trying to go for pentamelded yamashi is not worth the money at this point imo

[slim wren]

I'm also thinking farming Red isn't worth it, as it's going away in a month

Yes?

[steady pebble]

yes but iirc you will be able to convert them

[slim wren]

Oh okay

Is anything really worth going after, other than Duskglow aethersand?

[steady pebble]

I personally wouldn't go out of my way to farm for red scrips right now, unless you're like stocking up on materia

and atm, i'm not sure whats worth selling right now cos i've not really paid anything attention to the market

[slim wren]

Okay. I'm just trying to not be broke anymore

[quick verge]

if you dont wanna be broke, then just be ready to rush your gatherers/crafters once 5.0 drops

and sell new items for dumb prices

[slim wren]

I'm probably not going to be able to make much until then with gathering will I?

Everyone basically already has evertyghing

[quick verge]

as you said before, you can just sell duskglow

[steady pebble]

you can make decent gil with gathering

plenty of things people don't bother gathering themselves anymore because they have the gil to just buy it

effervescent water, silver ore, electrum ore, etc

plus assuming there'll be aethersands in 5.0, those are probably going to sell like hot cakes

base materials like logs and such should also sell pretty decently and consistently

most of my gil at the start of sb was made from gathering zelkova logs and making them into lumber

[slim wren]

I should probably level a crafter. I've only got botanist leveled

[unreal flax]

Actually, I should go ahead and get my Fieldking set before ShB or I’ll have to suffer during and that’ll be a waste.

[fringe granite]

Get those CD's done bro!

[stable basin]

DPS dc'd halfway through Twin

And we made it to Bahamut

[quick verge]

it seems that many ucob groups are on some shit tonight

[unreal flax]

Yeah, I used CDs to get the chest and headpiece lol.

[boreal edge]

ok

so my theory has actually happened

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/bv0w5e/media_tour_mch_issues_mch_is_now_4_times_more/

and balance reached same exact conclusion as i did

[quick verge]

it's lit

yeah that's really disappointing

[frigid crest]

"We're listening to the community on MCH"
proceeds to make already existing MCH issues several orders of magnitude worse

This balance team is such a bad fucking joke holy hell

[wet stag]

That's not balance tho

That's job design

[glossy musk]

Yeah balance could be fine and job could just be designed to be punishing

[stable basin]

so current problem with the new MCH is OGCD or the 1.5 GCD or ping heavy ?

[hybrid rapids]

it's literally written there

by lynn

[supple sail]

those three things together.

the oGCDs and the 1.5 GCD are a problem because ping.

[slim wren]

Is this a more fixable issue? As in, fixable within the scale of patches?

[torn kindle]

The Media Tour build isn't finalized, so there's a decent chance of it being fixed before release.

[boreal edge]

they can fix it easily

make heat blast do 370 potency

and remove the lowering recast of gauss barrel and ricochet by 15

idk where the issue of drill and arm something

not everything should line up with your burst

[torn kindle]

I think's because it's a GCD with a cooldown

and eventually unaligns with wildfire?

mainly because their cooldown scales with skillspeed while wildfire doesn't

[boreal edge]

yes

i dont see the issue with it

WF give you fixed 150 potency worth of damage on WF explosion

regardless of gcd used

so i dont understand the issue here

not everything supposed to line up with your stuff

the drill is exactly

empyreal arrow on 40 secs recast timer

[torn kindle]

I think people have also mathed out that MCH as we know it right now will have a very high APM compared to other classes, being like 50-60 assuming you barely clip during that Heat Blast spam hell.

[boreal edge]

it will have high apm

with current way of charges

the problem isnt charges themselves

but heat blast being on 1.5s gcd

weaving in 1.5s gcd without clipping need you to live in almost same state/city the servers are in

so they made it much worse now

but as i said fixing it is very simple

make heat blast do 370 potency instead of 220

and remove the recast crap by 15 secs

the point of charges that it can be saved during a moment of need

but here you will overcap your charges

lets hope they fix it before release

as for drill

empyreal work exactly same way

and no one complained

[errant kayak]

Oh dear...

I knew the heat blast thing was a problem, but not to this extent

Hope the devs are aware

[boreal edge]

oh i get it now

drill and air anchor being gcd that doesnt affect heat in anyway

that will make WF drift if used it instead of a gcd that can increase heat

but again what buffs alignment are we talking about here

only TA left as notable buff on a timer same as WF

and who cares if it align or not

as WF doesnt benefit of TA since its fixed potency

[slim wren]

I figure this is the place to ask then, what are people theory'ing as the new "optimal" party? I know FF has always been fantastic at class balance, but I'm pretty excited for DNC/SAM combo

[lyric summit]

optimal party for what

[torn kindle]

It's too early to say since the media tour actions aren't set in stone.

[slim wren]

the 8 man raids

[lyric summit]

for prog? farm? speedruns? casual? hc? world prog?

[slim wren]

I know that the potency numbers aren't entirely set in stone, but for example, I see synergy between monk and gunbreaker, for example. And Prog and Farm, I suppose.

[stable basin]

WAR, PLD, SCH, and maybe WHM look real strong

haven't looked too much into the DPS changes though

[lyric summit]

comp doesn't matter for prog and farm, just play what you're good at and keep the usual 2melee/1caster/1ranged roles and you'll clear

[wet stag]

Or you can do 1melee 2 caster 1 ranged

[lyric summit]

yeah just

play any job lol

[wet stag]

Or 1 melee 1 caster 2 ranged

As long as you have 1/1/2

[slim wren]

Why 1/1/2? I am confused

[solemn crow]

Hi, can I have some advice on HW healing? We're having issues right now with keeping people alive. Personally I've been trying to save lightspeed/spam benefic 2 on whoever I can reach, we don't really like have a set system in place or anything. Here's a few logs from tonight's pulls.

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/CRGdTrpFyzWMVbwN/#fight=13

[wet stag]

Because apparently you need one of each role now

In a group

To get the full main stat bonus

It was weirdly phrased so I might be wrong tho

[solemn crow]

It just feels wack because I'vedone the fight in a pug setting and I don't have any problems healing HW/HW2

and I don't know sch so I dunno if there's anything I'm not doing consistently or what

[lyric summit]

balance job question channels are usually good at analyzing logs and giving job specific tips so i'd reccomend you try there

[solemn crow]

o7

[blazing pelican]

@solemn crow I'm not a log expert but it looks more like someone failed to share their group stack and it cascaded NVM definitely a healing failure at one point

Does critical sync bug normally do 40k damage? I feel like I'm missing something. I don't remember it hitting that hard.

[quick verge]

which one is critical sync

one of the stacks or a defamation?

[blazing pelican]

The group stack

Yeah I just talked to our group tank. They're failing that stack and that's why they're dying

[quick verge]

if they weren't stacking for critical sync bug

then they'd take like double that

especially as a melee

tanks are taking reduced damage because tank stats + a cd is used to eat it solo

the main issue is this

no persistent regens

no shields

[steep iris]

https://clips.twitch.tv/FlirtyConsiderateDiamondCharlietheUnicorn

[quick verge]

i guess you could say

it was a critical error on everyone's part

😏

wow that clip

[steep iris]

imagine

Wasting everybody's time for an extra broil 2

also @solemn crow from that log it seems like the short stack dps needs more love

on a phone rn so i can't do much

But i'll list out some things i notice as i go by

[stable basin]

worst feeling is dying to 4th akh morn from like 25k->15k dmg

[steep iris]

1. Sch not doing a fat deploy on hello world

[quick verge]

no regens, no fat shake for after HW goes out

not sure if dps are using bloodbath/second wind

[steep iris]

2. Sch kinda slightly inconsistent with excogs on short stack

3. Not enough heals in general

Some people are just dying to critical error after the 2 defamations pop

you can get the scholar to indom

or you can CU during hw cast and extend

to cover almost everything

[solemn crow]

📝

Thank you!

[steep iris]

@solemn crow also worth to note that scholar isn't very good

pretty low cpm

[slim wren]

Weaponskills are the GCDs, and Abilities are oGCDs, yes?

[steep iris]

lots of physicks

instead of adlos

@slim wren in most cases, yea

[lyric summit]

yes @slim wren

[steep iris]

exception to that rule is empyreal arrow

it's a weaponskill but it's an ogcd

[slim wren]

Thank you

So... if a skill says it does not share a recast timer with any other skill, it is off the gcd?

[steep iris]

ye

[slim wren]

Ooookay. I think I have my spreadsheet mostly done, just need to refind and sort out the role skills, then I can start premapping my hotbars for gunbreaker

[steep iris]

https://ff14moomoo.com/hotbar_simulator2.html

[slim wren]

Yup, that's what I'm using. the only thing I'm not readily able to figure out where I want to map it is Low Blow, but I'm unsure if I even need it

[steep iris]

they said something about interrupts being a thing so you might need it

[slim wren]

Wait, I thought interject was the interrupt

Do I have that backwards?

[steep iris]

stuns can interrupt too but idk whether it was just silence

[slim wren]

Then I shall have to fanangle it

[lyric sandal]

stuns aren't interupts

only interupt cause it stuns, but most relevant stuff will still be stun immune cause you'd be able to cheese too much with stuns

so anything they design to specifically be interupted will be only via interject(and the BRD/DNC/MCH head graze)

low blow basically for dungeons/soloing

[slim wren]

Okay. So have it, but it's alright if it's in an inconvenient spot

[simple sky]

what are autos

that clip

[solemn crow]

@steep iris yeah my plan usually for hw2 is largesse Helios, then essential dignity + lightspeed benefic 2 after first defamation goes out. My priority is blue tank-> red tank -> other dps , because I asked him to excog the dps + indom

For us blue tank takes until halfway so I just slap a regen on them and it usually feels like they re fine

Regen

[steep iris]

autocorrect lol

[solemn crow]

God

LOL

[steep iris]

if you're progging or something/wanna be safe i recommend doing larg aspected helios+CU+COpp

[solemn crow]

I like having CU saved for ion effluxes but if this is gonna consistently be a problem I might move it here yeah

[steep iris]

It's not optimal but it makes hw healing braindead

[solemn crow]

Oki

[steep iris]

ion efflux should be easier with 15% echo as long as there's some form of mitigation+everybody's topped off

[solemn crow]

Thenk ye

[steep iris]

so CU mitigation isn't necessarily needed

[solemn crow]

Idk I'll yell at him to deploy more or something LOL

[steep iris]

also if that scholar is the one you're gonna be healing with next time

[solemn crow]

I don't know scholar and rn it feels like a coin flip on whether or not we'll live

Yes he will be

[steep iris]

tell him to adlo as soon as hw cast ends and deploy

or well, as long as the initial hello world damage doesn't eat into the shield

people usually deploy off of the pld there

so tell the pld to use convalescence and if you have a brd minne

[solemn crow]

Does hw itself does damage? Like a bit right

[vital cypress]

8-10k maybe?

[lyric summit]

yeah it's not much

[boreal edge]

around 12 - 14k

[glossy musk]

It’ll kill you if you’re not healed but it’s not bad

[vital cypress]

it's mostly something you need to top off after fairly urgently

because the double defamation hurts like hell

and the other various shit blowing up

[thorn bear]

Something my healers are having trouble adjusting to is healing hw since one of them swapped to healer recently

[glossy musk]

Healing HW should be done the same way every time, so have them plan out who's using what

[vital cypress]

well

[glossy musk]

We use an excel sheet to chart out ability usage

[vital cypress]

except one healer is going to be offset for whatever you call it

[glossy musk]

so we know ahead of time what every ability will be and when

[vital cypress]

blue hurty DNA explosions

[glossy musk]

You can have two different scenarios planned out, but usage should just flip essentially

Not the exact same skills mind you because jobs are dififerent

[vital cypress]

you're mostly replacing Generic AOE Heal with Generic AOE Heal

and the exploding healer can still zip in to tag someone with Lustrate or ED or Tetra

if needed

[stable basin]

not a healer myself but the usual fail points in hw seem to be tank taking too many autos before solo stack (mostly tank's fault) or short stack not getting enough love

[glossy musk]

It's why we use holmgang on every odd beam, even if it requires a split. It keeps things the same and reliable

[quick verge]

if you're doing a good cd map, then you can just pop a heavy cd for short stack

and not explode cause god didn't like you in that moment

[glossy musk]

Yeah

[runic kiln]

Anyone have a projected job tier rank list for 5.0?

[lyric summit]

yeah, playable tier: literally everything and whatever you want

[quick verge]

all the jobs are gonna be unplayable

sorry bud

try again in 2 years

[vital cypress]

bad jobs: every job

good jobs: probably NIN, yet again

[quick verge]

i mean if it makes you feel better

nin is to dnc as drg was to brd

[vital cypress]

led zeppelin i can't quit you baby but the runes are replaced with NIN BRD DRG and WAR

[lyric summit]

if you do happen to stumble upon a tier list that some monkeys (who got invited to media tour ) decided to publish.. it's not worth giving them views

[unreal flax]

Whatever tier list anyone comes up with, DRG is at the top of it, once again. Doesn't even matter if there's no more Piercing Down.

I say it with every patch with a DRG change: DRG is the main character of the game.

What's funny is, I had a conversation with a former FC-member about removing Heavy Thrust and Impulse Drive. Back during 4.1-4.2 lol. I was on the side of keeping Heavy and removing Impulse and he was saying they both should be removed.

[simple sky]

B A T T L E L I T A N Y

[trim birch]

^

[wet stag]

Imagine thinking drg is at the top of the list when potencies aren't confirmed yet

Always possible it becomes completely scuffed

So the total rdps is brings is lower than sam or something

Not saying drgs definitely won't be at the top

I'm just saying they might not be

[plucky raptor]

Thought SAM was meant to be top in terms of pure number pumping.

[wet stag]

Yes

But meta jobs are decided on how much total rdps they bring in that particular fight

Total rdps ofc being their personal dps + the dps they give other people via raid buffs

That's why Sam is meta on omega mf

Because of the firewall mechanic, only half the party can take advantage of trick

So the total rdps it brings is lower than that of sam

But in every other fight where the entire party can utilize trick, nin is meta

[simple sky]

have you considered how sexy DRG is

how does this factor into calculations

[fossil basalt]

Consider the following:

All Jobs are viable

Fuck the meta, play what's fun

[simple sky]

but listen

i want the SEXIEST clear

[fossil basalt]

well then DRG + DNC obviously

[simple sky]

DRG/DNC/MNK/NIN

Double AST
and uh

double WAR

[fossil basalt]

hnng

[simple sky]

this is the new meta

[quaint marten]

What? Why not double pld, double sch

Flashy lights and angels

[simple sky]

PLD aren't sexy

u rright SCH is p ok tho

AST/SCH
🤔

[stable basin]

I wanna say meta will be largely irrelevant with synergy shaved down but the difference is already pretty small and a lot of people still care so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[simple sky]

1% difference

LITERALLY CAN'T PLAY X

😩

[stable basin]

people be like meta doesn't matter except ultimate and the only meta that matters in ultimate is having a refresh and slashing for tanks and that one of the healers is sch

[simple sky]

lol

[ocean forge]

Speaking of ultimate, I am interested to see what they will do to adjust for UWU/UCOB

One of my (better) guess is no need to BiS to do them

[steep iris]

So in terms of Ultimate content, we don’t have any plans to make changes to it, so we don’t have plans to raise that minimum item level nor will we be removing that unsyncing. So the value of the titles or weapons associated with that will be maintained. And in terms of Ultimate, we are making plans for the next Ultimate as well so we will be revealing information when it becomes available.

[unreal flax]

Someone carry me through UWU. If you do, I will personally mail a Little Debbie snack cake to five addresses of your choice.

[stable basin]

just join reclear group as melee dps and hope you don't get titan gaol, ez clear

[unreal flax]

looool

[ornate blade]

i think

drg dnc mnk nin is a waste of stat boost

not having caster

missing out on main stat party bonus

what do you mean by needing BiS to do ucob/uwu

you already dont need BiS

[blazing pelican]

Because UCoB and UwU downsync you to the max ilvl, you lose out on substats and your materia

[stable basin]

I feel like the ligmascape farming is part of the experience, but pretty much all the gear in shb is gonna hit sync cap on both substats so you won't be far behind at all if you don't bother getting i345/375 stuff

you'll lose 32 substats on head/hands/feet for ucob and a 25 for uwu, and see anywhere from small loss to small gain for other stuff

and get your pick of substat distribution

and tank accessories will gain like 70 str each lol

[unreal flax]

I farmed NIN gear for UCoB and then never went in lol. I'm getting synced down if I do it lol. Fuck that "effort" shit

[stable basin]

Get ready for tanks pushing 9k on golden

[unreal flax]

looool

That would be hilarious

[thorn bear]

mfw people focus on substats and all I did was make sure I had no SKS on my gear

minimal amounts

[stable basin]

tank spreadsheet said tome pants for uwu but I said nice try, I'm grabbing alliance and not doing speedmeme in ultimate

[unreal flax]

I only ever care about two substats: Crit, then SkS lol. If the piece has crit but no SkS, it's BiS. If it has no crit and no SkS, it's probably BiS. If it has SkS and no crit, it can't possibly be BiS

[ocean forge]

Another thing is 5.0 jobs playing at lvl 70

Do they made sure that you can still hit the DPS check?

[unreal flax]

Now, that, I'm sure won't be a problem

Since everything's getting a potency increase, it'll all work out without too much of an issue.

[ocean forge]

"guys, this weeks we will be testing some lower level contents to make sure 5.0 jobs still works"

"cool"

"y'all will be testing UCOB and UWU"

"fuck me"

[unreal flax]

I wonder what they'd use as a decent DPS check bar to test with? Something that doesn't take too long and has a very focused DPS check. What would it be?

[boreal edge]

they said ultimates wont get any adjustment

[unreal flax]

You think they'd use that, though?

[boreal edge]

and for dps it wont change much

it will change for healers mostly

with all those dps things removed

[ocean forge]

Ultimate is so precise if they are confident they don't need to change it

Then I assume they have double checked and made sure it will still work

[unreal flax]

I'm abandoning this train of thought because I just realized that there are too many jobs and too many possible configurations. No one would do this lol

[boreal edge]

they dont have time to recheck it

[ocean forge]

Just cross their fingers and hope it will work out?

Heh

[boreal edge]

if they barely able to put glasses on viera and hrothgar

[stable basin]

tanks gonna be hilarious in 5.0 ultimates

[unreal flax]

It seemed like a fun lil "What if they did?" scenario but then I started really thinking about how to report on it and yuck

[boreal edge]

tanks will have it easier with the new trait

[ocean forge]

Just turn on tank stance

[unreal flax]

For sure

[stable basin]

unless they hand-tweak sync chart, which they might because it's going to be actually absurd

[ocean forge]

And turn it off during swap

You don't even need shirk thanks to the updated provoke

[stable basin]

str cap on i345 accessories is 132, crafted with a str 6 in it has 65 str

+67 str per accessory over what they have now

[boreal edge]

you know that they didnt make content with tanks being in dps stance in mind while MTing

[stable basin]

+335 str overall, my str in ucob is 2164

+15% dmg

[ocean forge]

SE: git gud, our tester did it with tome gears

And no food

[unreal flax]

That constant 20% incoming damage reduction is gonna change some things lol

[stable basin]

basically

tanks get alphascape echo

[boreal edge]

is why

yoshida says

tanks do too much dps

[unreal flax]

No one is surviving boss autos unless they are tanks now lmao

[stable basin]

yeah I expect the 20% dr to be mostly meaningless except I guess how much we take from raidwides

[unreal flax]

I hope you have your vit melds on lol

[boreal edge]

no more vit melds

[unreal flax]

OH YEAH!

[boreal edge]

its possible without

but

[stable basin]

autos will probably be tuned up to hit tanks for the same portion of their health as now and just yeet the soul out of your sam's body if he takes aggro

[unreal flax]

I'm cracking up at the idea of just obliterating the BLM who got the five crit Flares lmao

[boreal edge]

autos will be same as it is now

not expecting changes

[unreal flax]

One kick and you get the triple bass boosted stock explosion where they were standing

[boreal edge]

since in SE mind

you arent meant to tank with DPS stance