endgame-lounge

[jolly sluice]

congrats though

nice work

[boreal edge]

ty

im not longer an ultimate leg @steep iris

non of of jobs i play liking their uwu wep

maybe i will wait for Gun/Dnc

[slim wren]

I'm going to main Gun so hard. I was over the moon when it was confirmed tank

[fringe granite]

@Vis SAM looks good

[boreal edge]

tfw we cleared with dot tick

after all died

[lyric summit]

death in suppression?

[boreal edge]

no

there was no deaths

oh wait

u mean death at enrage?

we all died by a dot ticked

and we cleared

[lyric summit]

yeah

sounds like low dps for current gear without deaths

[boreal edge]

i was playing super safe tho

i assume the rest did too

[sonic olive]

Not killing it before anyone dies

[steep iris]

uwu war axe is good

[boreal edge]

no

[steep iris]

people shit on it cause it looks really small in the try on window

little do people know when you actually use it it's the same size as the ucob axe unsheathed

[quick verge]

most weapons look poop in the try on window

until you hold it in your hands in the middle of limsa lominsa at 6:39AM on a saturday

[thorn bear]

the bravura 😩

[boreal edge]

no

no

no

no

[sonic olive]

It don't look great

[upbeat dome]

bruhhhhhhhhhhh

why the fuck does scaevan cost 825?

[lunar pollen]

To make you logon at least once a week

and stop you from getting more than one major gear piece in the process.

[hybrid rapids]

uwu axe is good for lala

Very cute

[thorn bear]

Whenever I want a simple axe glam

I always choose bravura

[lusty oak]

Hyperconductive Ukonvasara is pretty good

[steep iris]

y'all just haters

😤

[ocean forge]

well... the cap is 900 now

you can get 1/2 scaevan every week

when it was 450, you need to strategize

[thorn bear]

fellas do the primals in predation always spawn in a set pattern

[stable basin]

is it just me or are the rabanastre raids much more difficult than any of the previously introduced raids? closest thing I can think of in difficulty was launch day ozma, it definitely surprised me

[wet stag]

@thorn bear there are some rules, like Titan always cardinal, everyone else always intercardinal

But otherwise it's random within those rules

[thorn bear]

fucked up

[wet stag]

Just cheese predation kappa

[rapid sapphire]

I wouldn't say the ivalice raids aren't more difficult, just less forgiving to ignoring mechanics (dun scaith and wiping city still get the more casual population off guard from being forced to learn the proper way or get hurt hard)

[stable basin]

yeah that's true, mechs are the main thing I noticed are harder, or at least less predictable

I enjoy the challenge for sure but the learning curve is definitely steeper imo

[polar iron]

I wonder how they were at launch

Personally thunder god was probably the hardest for me but since a lot of the people knew it already i learned it quick-ish

[torn kindle]

Thunder god wiped a lot of groups on the first week, same for ultima

[stable basin]

yeah that's the one I struggle on

[polar iron]

(background story: did them first time a few weeks ago)

[stable basin]

I only cleared them a few days ago

[polar iron]

Oh yeah ultima is a bit of a pain too

[stable basin]

I think I'm making it harder for myself by having JP audio, I can't understand what thunder god's about to do lol

[rapid sapphire]

I did monastery at day 0 (2 hour in to watch cutscenes) and it wasn't too bad for going in completely blind

[polar iron]

Feels like the ivalice ones just require a bit more communication between alliances to place aoes etc. properly

[stable basin]

yeah

[polar iron]

Though my first experience is at rabanastre where we died once at the 2nd boss and someone just said "you guys suck lol" and 5-7 ppl just left

[errant kayak]

Cid doesn’t say anything important

[stable basin]

ugh I hate that

[errant kayak]

Just watch his model

[torn kindle]

not wanting to listen to his beautiful voice

[polar iron]

Yeah lol i dont think people realize not everyone has played this game since launch

[stable basin]

I'm still in the freaking out over mechanics phase, but getting more used to it the more I run it

[torn kindle]

eventually you just hit a point to where you can have fun on cid as a black mage when you realize how little you need to move.

(assuming you don't get crush weapon)

[rapid sapphire]

sounds normal for randos (first time I did rabanasty on patch day had a rage quit/vote dismiss quit at icy thot because it wasn't faceroll easy)

[stable basin]

I always get hit by the slash attack you need to move to the back for, it's annoying lol

[polar iron]

It starts getting intuitive once you do it enough times

[torn kindle]

Here's a tip, once you're out of the invisible ring that the middle path makes you're safe.

[stable basin]

yeah, it was easier today

[polar iron]

Time for a refresher myself, luckily i need a token from orbonne

[torn kindle]

how to better describe it, hmmmm

[stable basin]

yeah I seem to be a second off from being hit each time, just need to react faster

[thorn bear]

fucking poggers

I did predation right

[torn kindle]

okay i found an image to help show it

so basically, once you're past the connecting parts you're safe from the point blank aoe

[stable basin]

ah nice

[rapid sapphire]

[polar iron]

Alliance B looking kinda..

[rapid sapphire]

missing

[torn kindle]

as for the aoes that hit one of the two platforms, you can hug the connecting end of the opposite side to be safe. i use a visual cue from the tiling to see where to stand.

[errant kayak]

Duty 4/6

Alliance B missing

30 minutes remaining

Oh dear

[torn kindle]

yeah just ignore the rest of that, it was the only thing on google that i could find with part of the map

[polar iron]

XD

[torn kindle]

thankfully it was the part that i needed

[polar iron]

Hardest mechanic for people still: make your health a prime number

[stable basin]

tbh I absolutely suck at that, because I suck at maths lol

[polar iron]

1 3 5 7 one of those

[stable basin]

it's the modulus one that does me in

[polar iron]

Actually not 1 lol

[stable basin]

sorry, multiplier

[polar iron]

357

Luckily math was my strong subject XD

[stable basin]

haha

[torn kindle]

2,3,5,7,11

[polar iron]

Can it go to 11 in that encounter?

[torn kindle]

I think you can get an eight

[polar iron]

Yeah i forgot 2 as well

[stable basin]

it's a bit mean since it guarantees death if you can't do maths in your head, would be nicer if it was a vuln stack, but w/e

[torn kindle]

you can live with one stack of wrong answers

[stable basin]

I'll just accept my floor hugging fate

[torn kindle]

but there will need to be mitigation of some kind

2 stacks... well i hope you got plenty of shield and mitigation to live

[rapid sapphire]

I usually give up in advance on mitigating someone with 2 wrong answers mostly from the chance of the other healer also applying shield is low

[stable basin]

I'm looking forward to seeing what SHB is like on patch day, never experienced a day 1 of an expansion before

[torn kindle]

prepare for actual queue times.

[rapid sapphire]

bonus points for a bard who thinks they are special enough to not be in cure 3 range for incinerate

[stable basin]

yeah lol

[polar iron]

Yep same

[torn kindle]

@rapid sapphire that's called natural selection

[polar iron]

Looking to get rekt in the content going in blind with people

[stable basin]

yeah I enjoy being on an even playing field with new content

[torn kindle]

I can't wait to go to the extremely bright and floral dungeon to sear my eyes out.

[polar iron]

Im still not in range for anything as BLM lol

I just stay in my LL which are placed god knows where and smash fireIV

[torn kindle]

look at this, dear god my eyes

[stable basin]

yeah it's definitely bright

[polar iron]

Is that a dungeon or from the raid

[stable basin]

someone upped the contrast

[torn kindle]

dungeon

[stable basin]

I think it's a dungeon

[polar iron]

The sprout was the only thing they showed for the raid?

[torn kindle]

HW+SB: "dungeons are too bleak and dreary"
ShB: "Please rub some mud in my eyes i'm going blind"

[stable basin]

lol

maybe people using reshade will finally get good colours

[polar iron]

Which ones the hardest savage omega btw for who has done em

o10s looks a bit o_0

[stable basin]

current tier gets more difficult as it goes

9>10>11>12

[polar iron]

Oofers

[rapid sapphire]

o12s is current hardest (unforgiving mechanics), o10s is fight server ticks boss, o11s is fight the person who should have baited mustard bomb out, and brute justice savage is sweatting bullets with the oldies

[stable basin]

12 door arguably harder than final with echo but I'd disagree just because of the complexity of HW

[polar iron]

Servers have been ass for me lately, i have to spam my KB a lot to ensure my spells cast

• the disconnects the past 2-3 days

[errant kayak]

God save those kids who can’t do basic math

I ain’t shielding you

I mean I will

[stable basin]

yeah I've noticed a lot of rubber banding in duties recently

[errant kayak]

You’ll still die

[stable basin]

I assume it's the DDoS attacks

[polar iron]

[stable basin]

I'm fearful of SHB changes for SMN, hopefully they don't screw with it too much

it felt more fun to play in HW imo

[polar iron]

I fear nuffin

Idk how they could screw up BLM

[errant kayak]

Wait

But can we talk about Mch’s robot

can mch sunmon Alexander

[polar iron]

MCHs get deleted in 5.0

The latest leek

[torn kindle]

MCH gets upgraded to GNB.

[errant kayak]

MCH’s animations still look hella cool

[polar iron]

Is it GUN or GNB

[errant kayak]

It’s DPS

[polar iron]

[midnight current]

Its the fun PLD

[glass trellis]

Spyglass quest in SB, Air force one in saucer. MCH gonna jump in turret FPS style and shot dudes

You heard it here first

[fathom matrix]

@polar iron

[boreal edge]

@hybrid rapids yo tsun UwU down in case you missed it

[hybrid rapids]

grats

[boreal edge]

[sonic olive]

Now reclear it @boreal edge

you gotta farm it before 5.0

[boreal edge]

no

i used my strength in my 1st kill

[sonic olive]

😔

Still need 9more myself

[boreal edge]

and rather not do it again

ultimate is too much to me

[sonic olive]

Each to their own

I love that fight

wait I don't need 9 more

I have 8 kills 🤔

I can't do basic maths

[boreal edge]

its fun yeah

wiping for 80+ hours to same fight isnt fun to me

[jolly sluice]

same, I'd love the challenge if it was single player but the endurance of doing it with 7 other people just
yikes

give us a mage tower

[boreal edge]

im ok with current savage having 20+ hours prog

and that for whole tier

[jolly sluice]

man I wish my savage prog was only 20 hours

[glossy musk]

Yeah savage is comfy cause you’re done in 1-2 weeks at worst but

It’s not rewarding like ultimate is

To finally get past that final hurdle

[polar iron]

e?

[glossy musk]

Lmao

I guess he means don’t fuck up prior to panto 2

[polar iron]

oh

i havent seen that encounter

just found it funny that you set up a practice with the welcoming message "dont fail or kick"

[glossy musk]

I get what they mean though. Panto 2 is near the end so like

People fucking up on level checker

And such

[polar iron]

oh

bout to set up a o10s practice

gonna be pain

[simple sky]

i'ms ure that group is level checker prog

[pastel cobalt]

As is every pf group

[thorn bear]

The space to dodge landslide and ifrit charge in predation is

[dull radish]

mmm it's not too bad

it's only really spooky if you get a real bad pattern and are forced to dodge towards ultima

[boreal edge]

predation is fine

annihilation can be scary at times

[dull radish]

nah annihilation is much cozier haha

[inland ore]

I agree. As a dps I found annihilation much easier than predation, despite it being longer.

[thorn bear]

its not too bad but like

looking at footage of me doing it

[lyric summit]

just do 4th rune

[thorn bear]

and its like wow, that safe spot is tiny lol

i have no idea what people mean by 4th rune

[fossil basalt]

the one after 3rd rune :V

[thorn bear]

I don't know what "rune" is

what are the runes

[dull radish]

there's these little rune symbols around the edge of the arena when you get to ultima

here, found an image:

[lyric summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/525486721689714698/558109177994543124/415f92ee698d8c8a7a85a2b944e95e39.png

[thorn bear]

oh

yeah that's not vague at all without a photo to go along with it lol

That's good to know though

[inland ore]

A tip is that if ifrit isn't dashing into the area (and ultima isn't there), you can move to the 4th rune early.

[dull radish]

something that I found very useful too is when you dodge landslide, hug the landslide a bit and don't dodge too far out of the way

[polar iron]

love getting rekt in this o10s practice

[pastel cobalt]

[stable basin]

are savage raids easy to get practice groups for on PF? or is the usual approach to join a static?

[lyric summit]

at this point practice PFs are kinda scarce since it's been 8 months

but usually you can either pug or join a static

pugging depends on luck, hope you get good people

statics you can kinda control the quality of the people

[polar iron]

well isnt it hard to join a static with no experience

[heavy mist]

depends on the static

some statics dont care if u have experience

[polar iron]

well, i have a bit of a bad schedule during the summer anyway so a bad time for me to find one anyway

i see a good amount of PF practice groups still

most of em are o11-12s tho

[stable basin]

yeah I'm not sure if I want to do the full-time-job style, just wanna play them for fun, but need to learn

[polar iron]

youre in omega?

[stable basin]

yea

[polar iron]

we could try setting a practice group some day

[stable basin]

yeah that'd be fun

[polar iron]

is that your name ingame?

[stable basin]

yeah

add me on omega

wanna train for OS too

sure

[polar iron]

i cant find you

[stable basin]

Vajra Samsara

go

[polar iron]

shouldnt you be able to if youre on the same DC?

[steady pebble]

no, not thru the search

[stable basin]

I logged out to watch live letter lol, back on now

[steady pebble]

Either you need to go to omega or group with them

[polar iron]

oh ok

ill add you later, theres a lot of ppl online so i dont wanna get stuck lol

im in a party rn anyway

[stable basin]

haha np

[paper solstice]

yo, new class skills is 🔥

[jolly sluice]

If you take a DRK, a SMN, a SCH, and a MCH to a dungeon you can turn a light party into a full party. Broken!

[untold oyster]

Dark knights can use their stando powa to do more damage

[pale rain]

Yikes

[polar iron]

Feelsgood to set up a suzaku ex practice group and first people be failing the bird reviving with AoEs but you end up clearing

[slim wren]

Real talk, I'm bad at that tank swap (Suzaku ex)

When exactly is it supposed to happen?

It's after the flurry, before the sweep kick, right?

[glossy musk]

Voke as soon as she begins kicking

Or casting it

Soon as it begins casting its already locked on

[slim wren]

Okay thank you

[fathom matrix]

is it too late to do ultimate

[rapid sapphire]

no although might have "fun" finding people still doing it (during content drought unless they are working on shb prep)

[slim wren]

I just want the orbonne glamour.... T_T

[boreal edge]

mch is jojo?

[fossil basalt]

DRK is Jojo

MCH is Gaige from Borderlands

or the cowboy lady from Overwatch

[inland ore]

https://twitter.com/ecchrina/status/1131767896940662785

ｅｒｉｎａ♡ (@ecchrina)

I had to do it for the MCH robot.
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[quick verge]

i have a strong suspicion that dancer will either be totally trash or absurdly broken

[rapid sapphire]

my best guess is it'll be bard on (insert drug of choice). lots of assist, not so hot on personal dps unless you play it like melee

350 potency at lv 20 sounds great (and the potential at 80) but rdm also has leet burst dps and we all know the actual average (going by parses)

looks like it starts out stupid strong then kinda goes nowhere skills wise until lv 76

sorting out aoe/single target/support dance skills looks annoying (assuming monk/nin style free flow rotations)

[simple sky]

5k personal dps while everyyone is 10k+

:^)

[lyric summit]

saber dance alone makes it basically required for any kind of log runs

[quick verge]

i sure do love fflogs.co.jp.gov.br.edu

[lyric summit]

unless all ranged get some busted crit buff

[quick verge]

i do wonder how new mch is gonna play

[thorn bear]

never gonna get orange unless u get dancer to pad u

[glossy musk]

saber dance is going to be stupid thicc for logs

[silent nebula]

Get dance partner or go home

[mint falcon]

That's probably going to be the new meme unless another raubahn ex incident happens again.

[fathom matrix]

can i still do ucob with 399 ilvl gear?

[lyric summit]

you can but you shouldn't

[fathom matrix]

why?

[polar iron]

Raubahn ex?

[lyric summit]

level synced items ignore the materia bonus, so you'll be doing it with no melds

and vit melds are a must for prog

[polar iron]

Whats raubahn ex :D

[fathom matrix]

i see

isnt raubahn ex a meme

[polar iron]

Ive heard the term but i dont know what it means

[lyric summit]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/73d67i/raubahn_ex/

[polar iron]

Ooh

I started thinking about that story fight with raubahn first and thought they had fucked that up lol

[fossil basalt]

hopefully they've implemented some sort of queue for story instances this time around

[lunar pollen]

Agreed, that would be a very easy fix

[analog wind]

So why does the experience I'm getting from Sprite Farming in Hydatos make it feel like the whole thing isn't worth bothering to do?

[quick verge]

what level are you

[analog wind]

56

I'm getting maybe 3 million EXP for an entire group of Sprites. >.>

[quick verge]

if you're reflect farming on sprite island, get to like

level 57 or 58 first

before it gets good

[analog wind]

Everyone else in Shout kept saying 56 was fine to do it at. I mean a ton of people. >.>

[quick verge]

at 56 the sprites are like

9 levels higher than you

it's good filler while waiting for a nm

but it's not going to be spectacular until 57/58

[analog wind]

So I wasted my Reflects then. That sucks. I wish the people in Shout actually knew what they were talking about when I asked.

[quick verge]

it'd be less of a waste if logograms were worth anything now

[analog wind]

Curative ones are still worth a good deal on Siren. 50k each. >.>

[fringe granite]

57/58 is OK experience

59 is bonkers

At 59 you'll get 1.7 mil per sprite

[sturdy shell]

With the synergy rebalancing and job skill pruning if uwu and ucob are also level synced they will be much more difficult to clear

[vital cypress]

i mean, i wouldn't be shocked if at least one of them is mathematically unwinnable in 5.00

assuming they keep the hard ilvl sync

(i also don't run Ultimates so take anything I say with a grain of salt)

[shadow pollen]

Are they even rebalancing UWU

and UCOB

[quick verge]

who knows

[lyric summit]

hopefully some media tour interview by xeno or fox will finally confirm what they're doing

[scenic patrol]

Fox?

Fox wasn't invited

[lyric summit]

[steep iris]

foxic

[hazy crypt]

So looking over the job actions again.

And the changes.

I'm gonna have to kinda say yes to pure healing.

[lyric summit]

[hazy crypt]

Guessing you want to know my crazy reasoning or nah? 😛 @lyric summit

[scenic patrol]

Eh, I doubt it

It was a mis translation

And Broil was upgraded in the job actions

WHM has some holy aspected GCD now

As well

[hazy crypt]

What's the correct translation?

[scenic patrol]

Something about letting all healers do mitigation and "pure healing" so regens and stuff

At least that's what I remember

[hazy crypt]

I just honestly don't like how people pressure Healers into 24/7 DPS in raids. It's why I quit.

Quit raiding. Not XIV.

[scenic patrol]

What else are you gonna do then?

Sit back and wait for raid damage to happen?

[hazy crypt]

I'll just post what I said in my other Discord.

Mainly because, as a DPS. You can turn your brain off and do mechanics. It's not really hard. You can perceive the fight differently than a Healer, position yourself accordingly and go from there. You do the same thing as a tank, but easier. As a healer, it's a dynamic role that requires reactionary focus and you also need to take into account the other actions of people. Whether or not they whiff on a mechanic. You are responsible for their mechanic failure. Because they need to be healed. On top of the fact that you as a Healer need to know the fight, while maintaining the party's overall health and then being required to throw out DPS on top of that? That's insane. The perspective of a healer is different from that of a DPS or a Tank. We are responsible for the other 7 people inside the raid we are trying to maintain.

[scenic patrol]

And it's not like people will care if you drop GCDs

That's copy pasta worthy

[hazy crypt]

Shrug

[scenic patrol]

I've healed savage and tanked, I don't think it's as taxing as you make it out to be

Some fights do put way too much emphasis on healers though

I'll give you that

Godka Forsaken 1 heal check is fucking rough

[hazy crypt]

And I'm fine with raids being more heal intensive.

[scenic patrol]

Issue is that they make the game for the lowest demographic in terms of skills

So raid damage is adjusted so that people are able to heal with GCDs only

Without utilizing tools

[hazy crypt]

But if you are constantly relying on your Healers to slide you through Savage fights, that's insane. The only respect I can give that to is world progression groups.

Since they operate on a different schedule from normal savage raid teams.

[scenic patrol]

Progression healing is very similar to progression tanking, you are playing safe usually and over heal/over mitigate like crazy

[hazy crypt]

Just constantly pushing the boundary on raiding with hardly any downtime.

Like, 8-10 hours minimum.

[hybrid rapids]

Have you tried savage

Healers isn’t that complicated

It’s more on awareness

[scenic patrol]

I'll ask my bois over at GTL what's their schedule

I think they are raiding 16 hours a day

[hazy crypt]

Yes. Reactionary awareness.

[hybrid rapids]

Also it wasn’t mistranslating

Pure healer is the official way of calling it

[scenic patrol]

So it is a mistranlation

[hybrid rapids]

But NA prefer it to be raw healer

[scenic patrol]

Because the west doesn't know that term

[hazy crypt]

What's the correct term?

[scenic patrol]

That's not how you translate Tsun

[hybrid rapids]

Pure healer is the correct term

Pure and barrier healers

[hazy crypt]

So it's not a mistranslation?

[hybrid rapids]

But now they make it pure healers only

Means all healers are co healing

Instead of separating

[hazy crypt]

I'd be fine if Healers had a the ability to gain DPS skill through Healing.

Where you Heal and has a % Chance to activate a DPS skill proc.

[hybrid rapids]

Please don’t

[hazy crypt]

If it mean harder fights. That's fine.

*means

[scenic patrol]

It won't

[hazy crypt]

Well we don't know yet.

[hybrid rapids]

You’re basically ask for lily again

[hazy crypt]

We got lilies regardless.

[hybrid rapids]

Healing give some oGCD faster CD like assize

[hazy crypt]

I don't like them.

[hybrid rapids]

It’s an overall huge dps drop

[scenic patrol]

Lilies are fine, if this was wow

[hazy crypt]

I'll pick up raiding again in ShB.

After the Healer changes.

We're about a month away.

[hybrid rapids]

You have to actually try raiding as one

It isn’t that bad

[hazy crypt]

I've raided as a Healer.

[hybrid rapids]

HW?

[hazy crypt]

Did a little bit of HW. Then stopped after being screamed at that I wasn't doing enough DPS on Faust and also keeping the tank from eating shit since they refused to use CD's.

[hybrid rapids]

Did you cleared any tier as one when relevant?

[hazy crypt]

"I shouldn't need to use a CD here. Just heal me through it and DPS."

[scenic patrol]

Did you try raiding with a team above your skill level?

Or just dipshits

I dunno

Anyhow I've never yelled at people for not DPSing enough

[hazy crypt]

The last good raid tier I did that I had fun with was Coil.

[scenic patrol]

Especially not during prog

[hazy crypt]

Which I cleared before they made the changes.

[scenic patrol]

Yes because the player base was babies

[hybrid rapids]

Faust experience is far from calling as raid experience

[hazy crypt]

T13 was really fun.

[scenic patrol]

The game didn't change much, the players did

[hybrid rapids]

But basically all raid damage is pretty much fixed

[hazy crypt]

Well.

[hybrid rapids]

And it’s scripted fight

[hazy crypt]

The last progression I got up to.

For HW Savage.

[hybrid rapids]

So basically knowing the timeline fixed all those worries

[scenic patrol]

Just try some savage healing, it's not nearly as hard, you just dps mindlessly and sometimes press healing 0GCDs or GCDs

[hazy crypt]

The one fight with the goblin who used a ton of traps. That's the last Savage fight I did.

[scenic patrol]

Raid damage is scripted

So aside from people fucking up

[hybrid rapids]

That’s a10s

[scenic patrol]

You'll be on auto pilot

[hybrid rapids]

One of the easiest savage fight

But they are the same

Scripted fight

The incoming damage are all fixed

Healers job is to learn and knowing timeline of the fight

It isn’t that hard

[hazy crypt]

My main issue was being screamed at by the tank to heal him, he refused to use CD's. I'd be OOM and he'd continue screaming about how not enough heals were being dropped on him.

The group was "Midcore" but "Hardcore Progression" if that's a thing.

Savage Raiding does nothing for me, since the only reason why I did Coil was because there was lore locked behind it.

And I wanted to finish the story.

[scenic patrol]

So you joined a shit static

[hybrid rapids]

Tanks can’t have CDs up 100%, that isn’t how it worked

Don’t have to keep top them up to 100% HP

[scenic patrol]

And you blame raid/Healer design on it

[hazy crypt]

The whole "healer adjust" meme was strong with that group.

[hybrid rapids]

But ye, it’s more on experience

[hazy crypt]

I'll try again some ShB. Since everyone will be on equal footing.

[hybrid rapids]

It’s hard to speak from raid healer POV if didn’t joined as one

[scenic patrol]

The only time I'll be mad at healers is when I die to autos

[hazy crypt]

Oh.

[scenic patrol]

Reg autos as that

[hazy crypt]

this time I won't be giving my input.

[scenic patrol]

Not something like Faust

Leaves me a bit salty to die to autos through awareness + RI

Just 8 seconds of no healing

Watching my health slowly drop

No regen

[hybrid rapids]

One of the hardest hit AA I know was golden baha

It’s crazy around 20k per hit

Crit can goes close to 30k

Very scary

[scenic patrol]

Yeah, crits are mini busters there

[hybrid rapids]

Regen couldn’t keep up

[scenic patrol]

Need to play safe

[hybrid rapids]

Not sure if legit to blame healer if crit AA x 2 there haha

But it does happened

[scenic patrol]

Yeah same, crit AAs in a row is something that you can't really react to

Need to map Awareness for spooky AAs periods

Shame it's going away

[hybrid rapids]

I think most AA regen and fairy heal possible to keep up

[scenic patrol]

Hopefully they remove crits

[hybrid rapids]

Except maybe final omega?

It hits a lot

The AA pretty frequent there

[scenic patrol]

It's around 16K iirc per auto

[hybrid rapids]

I remember had to actually cast cure/benefic on tank

Since regen couldn’t keep up

Optimized group had tank use potion there lmao

I think momo said it

[scenic patrol]

Avarage hit of 14K

[hybrid rapids]

They used erase potion feint palisade

For AA

[hybrid rapids]

87 is a lot

It hits very frequent

[scenic patrol]

Ye

Especially before patch 2

It's 15 seconds of straight up autos

[hybrid rapids]

Wondering if they will give us fight without AA again

Pretty relaxing haha

Like neo

[hybrid rapids]

Won’t have to keep regen up just dps

[scenic patrol]

All autos were on me since I don't trust my co tank to be melee friendly

[hybrid rapids]

I should try to play tank or dps next tier

Been on healers 100% this whole expansion

[scenic patrol]

Tsun is gonna learn tanking from me

Jk

[hybrid rapids]

My last tanking experience is seiryu

Powerful mentor taught me a lot :P

But ye, I’ll always learn from tank people

Any inputs are welcome

[scenic patrol]

Yeah, you'll mainly see me hanging around balance tank gen anyhow

Aside from expac launch

Gonna mute balance and this Discord

[hybrid rapids]

same

Spoilers are scary

Usually muted all until finished main quest

[scenic patrol]

Nah, it's the expac rush that I don't like with all the people coming out of the woodwork asking questions we don't know the answers for yet

What's the opener?
How do I tank?
What's BiS?

[fossil basalt]

or worse
asking questions they would have already known the answer for if they'd paid the slightest bit of attention

[hybrid rapids]

!faq dancerbis

[storm frost]

Dancer BIS List

[scenic patrol]

Lul

[spark folio]

Did they say anything about how the class changes will affect current ultimates for those who still want to try to clear?

[scenic patrol]

No

Wait for nda lift

[spark folio]

Oh ok

[scenic patrol]

So that people that were in the media tour that probably asked the question will be able to answer finally

[ocean forge]

my guess is

emphasis on guess

they will adjust the stat to allow players to try the Ultimate raids without needing BiS

imagine trying to make a new static to do UWU

you don't get to do UWU right away, you gonna farm o5s-o8s for a while and gear everyone up (not sure if Eureka stuff are needed for UWU BiS)

after everyone is geared up, only then you get to learn UWU

[stable basin]

A lot of uwu bis rn is spamming ghimlyt

[ocean forge]

lol

[stable basin]

I feel like the ligmascape prefarm is part of the experience but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Really hope they do keep them at about current difficulty though

wonder if ilvl sync but not level sync would work

[ocean forge]

they will actually make it more difficult

[stable basin]

Keep people from having janky half-kits at L70

A bit more difficult wouldn't be awful either tbh

only real dps checks between the two fights are suppression gaol and post-suppression ultima

[ocean forge]

another thing to take note of are the tools at raiders disposal at lvl 70

[boreal edge]

did they say they will adjust ultimates?

[ocean forge]

they had to

no more main stat materia meld

[stable basin]

They haven't given any real details yet

At one point they said they'd like to maintain the challenge but that was a while ago

[boreal edge]

inb4 they make ultimates unsyncable

and i actually see it coming

[jolly sluice]

I'd be sad if they do that. I wanted to do them some day, just never had time to

[stable basin]

It would be a real shame to ruin the fights they spent so much effort on

ShB release adding -2 ultimates to the roster right out of the gate

[quick verge]

.

[ocean forge]

lol

i cannot wait to see Thordan Ultimate (which i think should be called the Heavenly Knights of the Round)

and Alexander Ultimate (.. The Infinite Creator...maybe?)

neither of this are confirmed if anyone aren't sure, these are just speculations of potential Ultimate trials

[lusty oak]

Alexander Ultimate
Tardis

[jolly sluice]

I want Alexander Ultimate and Rhitatyn's Ultimate Revenge

[boreal edge]

@stable basin even making em unsynced wont make ppl suddenly clear it

unsync will delete dps check and heal check

but wont delete mechanics

[jolly sluice]

right but those titles are supposed to be special. I feel like since they took effort to preserve difficulty in later patches, they'll continue to do so

[boreal edge]

see A8S still wiping ppl at i400

[quick verge]

tanks will have perma tank stance mitigation

[jolly sluice]

oh right awesome!

[stable basin]

it kinda does delete mechanics to a degree by phase skipping and removing punishment

[quick verge]

mechanics aren't too difficult if you can remove your dps buttons and focus on mechanics

and still make the dps check

[stable basin]

yoship character had 80k hp at i433, bis on first raid tier should be uhh 470?

At that point dps can just eat crimson cyclones

[jolly sluice]

uhhh that's a bit drastic I was expecting like 450

[stable basin]

miss a heavensfall tower, who cares, dmg down means nothing when bahamut died during fellruin

just basing that on aug shire being 270 and deltascape bis being 340

[jolly sluice]

oh yeah we did go up by 70 didn't we

[boreal edge]

tower explosion still do dmg

not just damage down

[quick verge]

yeah but unsync it won't matter

it's the same as tank lb

[stable basin]

But I can survive tower explosion on tank already

and who cares about the dmg down

[boreal edge]

also

[stable basin]

if bahamut has been dead since fellruin

[boreal edge]

u will still see all 6 trios

[quick verge]

and most of them are a joke

[boreal edge]

even if u hit bahamut to 1%

[stable basin]

you do still have to do mechs but it completely destroys the balance of the fight

and allows you to stumble super hard through them

[boreal edge]

implying u dont already in savage

[stable basin]

why is savage relevant

[quick verge]

it also makes more important parts of the fight trivial

you'll just outright skip nael divebombs

you won't have to do a scuffed 2nd triple quote in adds

[boreal edge]

ppl had their bragging rights for a whole expac

[quick verge]

and you can get like 50% uptime on golden and still clear long before enrage

[stable basin]

funniest thing is tanks might just get rekt by twin by pushing into death sentences too fast

[quick verge]

nah

[boreal edge]

even i who cleared UwU recently still see no point of keeping it locked synced

[stable basin]

I still care about the ppl who aren't progging now but who will try in the future

[boreal edge]

if u didnt before

[stable basin]

you wreck the balance you ruin the magic

[boreal edge]

u wont now

[stable basin]

what if u start in shb

or just started now and getting your bearings on raiding

[boreal edge]

why bother about old ultimate when you can prepare for 5.1 one?

thats assuming

they keep it synced

[stable basin]

because it sucks losing the two best fights in the game

[boreal edge]

u cant say they are best fights

when there is a chance

we could see even better

[quick verge]

currently they are

[stable basin]

^

[quick verge]

more people after alphascape, or during alphascape started getting into ultimate

some people that i know would like to try ucob sometime during shadowbringers

since there's like

a month until launch

[jolly sluice]

I definitely wanna do ucob I love Bahamut!

it's just I'm constantly in between statics I never had time to do prog cause I was focused on being in a team

[quick verge]

if they sync people down to the content ilvl in a sensible way

then it'll def be easier than it is now

but still challenging

[jolly sluice]

right, I doubt it'll be the exact same but I'd like that general feel to be there at least

plus with stronger food/pots you can cheese it that way too

[lyric summit]

make ultimates just give you a preset set of gear and stats, like pvp

[boreal edge]

if they gonna sync it
it better to be on i430

so u can go to it as soon u get lv80 AF4

but i still see it

waste of dev time

to rebalance ultimates after every expac

[quick verge]

guess they shouldn't have made it

[boreal edge]

sooner or later we will have alot of fights to rebalance

[quick verge]

the plot of alexander ultimate is going back in time to stop ucob and uwu from being created

[jolly sluice]

I'd appreciate it if they did take time to adjust it.

[quick verge]

all development time is a waste until they add pokemon battles with minions

[jolly sluice]

but then at the same time, what Spearya said, ultimate is already a 1% thing, so looking at it from that perspective I guess it isn't a worthwhile investment

really hope they do though

[boreal edge]

instead of rebalancing ultimates that only less than 1% of playerbase will attempt after the expac, better try working on next ultimates or introduce some better content

[jolly sluice]

right, they gotta do that too.

[quick verge]

next ultimates (alexander ultimate and thordan ultiamte) or introduce some better content (lord of verminion 2 and ishgard housing)

[jolly sluice]

hey now, ishgard housing is important

[boreal edge]

eureka 2

best content

[quick verge]

only in eureka can i make dinner and still progress

god bless

[jolly sluice]

It could be a back burner project like ||egi glamours||

[quick verge]

egi glamours exist

with textools

haha

it seems like the theme of smn next expac is not having your egi out for any substantial amount of time

to help you forget about egi glamours

[lyric summit]

theme of smn next expansion is switch to mch

[boreal edge]

i thought smn rot will revolve about swapping egis

like brd songs

[lyric summit]

I'm curious about differences in egis tbh now that all their skills are one button anyways

it's probably gonna be like ifrit st, garuda aoe, titan mitigation

[boreal edge]

iirc they said

they gonna remove aggro

from titan skills

[lyric summit]

yeah

[quick verge]

F

[lyric summit]

but they also remove pet skills

just turn them into egi assault

[quick verge]

im gonna miss titan eating a tank buster

[boreal edge]

i need to see more on mch

if wildfire still shit

imma pass on it

[lyric summit]

tooltip leaked supposedly

in balance spoilers

||+150 potency added to the explosion for every gcd executed under it, button switches to detonator, 10s duration still||

[boreal edge]

@lyric summit in trailer it was 8 secs

also 150 pot

thats worse than prev WF

[lyric summit]

yeah but it did look manually exploded

[candid osprey]

Anyone heard if they are going to fix the wasted 6 sec from Mech Summon for MCH?

[lyric summit]

150 pot per gcd, with ogcd overheat you'll probably have 6gcd wf

[boreal edge]

so 900 pot

[lyric summit]

it's just to show off the animation, summon bahamut in SB skill vid looked the same but it works instant ingame @candid osprey

can barely even tell what's gcd and what's ogcd with they way they show most the stuff

[quick verge]

shows entire IR animation

gets 4 fell cleaves

[boreal edge]

war do too much dps

cause players do 5 fell cleaves

and devs do 4

from the look of mch

overheating is a cd now

like pvp

and it seems overheat comes bundled with rapid fire

[lyric summit]

it looks like hypercharge+ consume 50 heat

so ogcd

so 6gcd wf

[ocean forge]

[8:26 AM] Female Char -> Cheating husband: and devs do 4

as a player and a (inspiring) dev, i think players finding the "wrong" way to do stuff is very exciting

[quick verge]

5x fell cleave is definitely intended

they just

wanted to show every

animation

[ocean forge]

oh... you guys mean the job trailer

[jolly sluice]

yeah I wouldn't assume the job action trailers to be the optimal rotations seeing as how DRG is doing aoe on a single target

[simple sky]

well they also clip to show whole animations cleanly

[ocean forge]

imagine SB SMN segment do the whole 3 minute phase

lol

[steady pebble]

y'all should watch the ARR job trailer. BLM sleep opener. OP OP

[ocean forge]

SB Trailer BRD has garbage song rotation

[simple sky]

i wanna play DRG and SMN and can't decide which

[ocean forge]

those clipping

[boreal edge]

hey sleep working as intended in brayflox HM

[steady pebble]

join me as smn

[simple sky]

likely will

[steady pebble]

we can be smn bros, calculator

[simple sky]

but DRG looks sick

[ocean forge]

my line up (before the job trailer):
DRK, SCH/SMN, AST, SAM, GNB, and DNC

[steady pebble]

yeah the nidhogg dive looks lit as fk

[ocean forge]

i am happy with that choice

[quick verge]

just play all of the jobs

[simple sky]

clearly I boost DRG on my alt

[quick verge]

:^)

[simple sky]

:^)

[boreal edge]

drg gets another jump to be truer floor tank

[ocean forge]

PLD's judgement blade is 👌

(big sword from the ground stab up)

[simple sky]

DRG actually gonna die less cuz shorter animation time of jump

[steady pebble]

currently im probably going to do: smn > whm/ast > brd

then after that its kind of a toss up

[ocean forge]

i have planned to do ShB as a tank.
ARR: BLM
HW: SCH
SB: AST

i figured tank should get a shot with running MSQ

originally, it is tentatively set a GNB, then i run DRK in some EX farms and I am leaning more toward DRK

then job trailer came out....

[boreal edge]

WAR -> GNB -> BRD -> NIN -> MCH if its less shit / nothing

those will be my main 4 jobs

in ShB

[simple sky]

tbh tho

all the Dps jobs look sick

[boreal edge]

i dont like dancer

[slim wren]

GNB -> MNK -> PLD

[ocean forge]

BRD is a bit underwhelming imo

[slim wren]

Maybe DRG

[steady pebble]

i really want to like nin but like im too much of an idiot to do mudras right without fat fingering

[ocean forge]

Mudras are not hard to learn

[simple sky]

looks like TCJ was changed but I don't know how

[ocean forge]

want some tip from me?

[steady pebble]

they're not

[boreal edge]

@simple sky its finally 0.5s

[ocean forge]

ok... which part of the mudra give you problem?

[steady pebble]

but it doesn't change the fact that remembering them or not fucking up the order happens a lot when i play it

[simple sky]

amazing

[boreal edge]

not 1 sec crap

[ocean forge]

not fucking up takes practice

memorizing is easy

[steady pebble]

also not a fan of melee in general

[boreal edge]

now u no longer can fuck up tcj

[steady pebble]

so means i dont have that much of an interest in memorizing it

[boreal edge]

except for movement

[simple sky]

TCJ was the worst part of ninja

[slim wren]

TCJ?

[ocean forge]

??? -> Fuma
??? + Ten -> Katon
??? + Chi -> Raiton
??? + Jin -> Hyoton
??? + ??? + Ten -> Huton
??? + ??? + Chi -> Katon
??? + ??? + Jin -> Suiton

!action TenChiJin

[storm frost]

**Ten Chi Jin** : lvl 70 NIN (100.0 second cooldown)

Resets ninjutsu recast timer, twice reduces ninjutsu recast time to 1 second, and eliminates required mudra consumption for ninjutsu execution. Also doubles ninjutsu potency.
Duration: 10s
Ninki Gauge Cost: 80
Only mudra and ninjutsu available while active. The same ninjutsu cannot be executed twice. Ninjutsu recast timer will begin cooldown upon fading.
Effect ends upon moving.

No exact match found, displaying closest possible match...

[slim wren]

Ahhhhh

[ocean forge]

Ninja leyline basically

[simple sky]

so it looks like they are getting rid of a lot of assassination type skills

but not actual assassination

[ocean forge]

ninjutsu are determined by your last mudra and the total mudra count (obviously no duplicates)

[boreal edge]

they removed em all

20% hp left

[ocean forge]

both Ten+Chi and Jin+Chi will produce Raiton

[simple sky]

dang

[boreal edge]

cds

[ocean forge]

Chi Jin Ten and Jin Chi Ten is Huton

[boreal edge]

@ocean forge i liked that ninki skill that upgrade mudras

that bigger katon was hot

[ocean forge]

ice shuriken is cool too

oh... that's a ninki skill?

[boreal edge]

yes

[ocean forge]

i thought it is Kassatsu

[boreal edge]

upgrades mudras

he used 80 ninki when activated it

then new duelity

also

they finally moved ninki accumlation through gcds

not autos

it was shit during aoes

[ocean forge]

I don't see it

what's the timestamp?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaGxC7wnBDo

[boreal edge]

i had to make sure i auto mobs

while aoeing

im in work

[simple sky]

why don't you auto during death blossom

[boreal edge]

cause i need to target a mob for autos

[ocean forge]

ok... in the video, you start with 50 ninki

[boreal edge]

while aoeing

[simple sky]

lol

[ocean forge]

then there is a skill that adds 40 to it

then AOEing also add Ninki

[simple sky]

enhanced mug 2

[ocean forge]

the Ninja summon a clone, uses 80, then both of them generate ninki via GCD skills

[boreal edge]

see the cd

[ocean forge]

finally the ninja used 80 for bhavacakra

the ninjutsu are upgraded

i just don't see any Ninki usage related to the upgrade

[lyric summit]

he eats the suiton for ninki

cause keeping bosses in doton is too hard

[boreal edge]

there is a cd

he used

then he casted that big katon

[ocean forge]

the cross shape?

[boreal edge]

and ice shuriken

yes

[ocean forge]

that aint Kassatsu?

[boreal edge]

no

look different

[lyric summit]

could be kassatsu changes next jutsu now

[ocean forge]

interesting.....

[lyric summit]

hyoton into shurikens, katon into akh mor

[boreal edge]

also he casted 1 mudra

to upgrade

not 2

so i guess

we get 3 upgraded mudras

ice shuriken

bigger katon

[ocean forge]

i think hyoton is basically change to ice shuriken

[boreal edge]

and upgraded doton?

[ocean forge]

and the proc version is simply cooler

that aint doton

it is your AOE

it combo off Death Blossom

all melee DPS and tanks have proper AOE combo now so it seems

[boreal edge]

maybe they didnt show everything

[ocean forge]

yeah

they didn't

[boreal edge]

if we got 3 upgraded mudras

that can be casted when u use that cd

then we are missing 1 last one

my mind says its 1 of 2

[ocean forge]

lol... won't it be hilarious that ... even with upgraded mudra

the best way is still cast Fuma?

[boreal edge]

upgraded doton or upgraded raiton + suiton mix

dmg + prepare TA

in same time

and he used 2 of those upgraded mudras

anyway ninja is alot more promising

i need to look more on mch

[ocean forge]

to be fair

[boreal edge]

i still dont like where mch going atm

[ocean forge]

they said that they have changed MCH so much

it is a new job

there is not a lot of stuff we can work out from the trailer because it is so different

[lyric summit]

I hope it's fun and complex at least

but ye I prefer the gunner aesthetic tbf

[ocean forge]

i will still level them all cuz I am a mad man

[quick verge]

now you get to fit 15 ogcds in 10 seconds

[ocean forge]

but there are priorities

[boreal edge]

they removed ammulition and gauss barrel ( those are big changes to me )

[lyric summit]

why, sb GB can burn in hell

[quick verge]

starrel babilizer

[lyric summit]

there's a heat joke in there somewhere

[jolly sluice]

gauss barrel was so ugly and ruined aesthetics good riddance

[lyric summit]

and it was useless for like 40 levels

[ocean forge]

my leveling priority
Main: DRK/PLD/GNB, just tanks

High: DRK, PLD, GNB, SCH, AST, SMN, SAM, DNC
Normal: DoL/DoH, WHM, BLM, RDM, DRG, NIN
Low: Fisher, WAR
Lowest: MNK, MCH, BRD

[quick verge]

oh boy let me put an alien sextoy on my gun

[boreal edge]

overheat can be triggered by a ogcd instead of must flamethrower

[lyric summit]

that is a good thing

[ocean forge]

the issue with gauess barrel is the same issue as Heavy Thrust

if we are maintaining it consistently anyway... either bake it into the combo or have the base potency increased

Samurai attack buff I have no problem it is part of the combo I do to get the Moon sen, which i need to do more stuff anyway

[boreal edge]

from the look at robot
he attack at every gcd use
so its better to be saved right before overheat since its bundled with rapid fire

[quick verge]

as i said

15 ogcds in 10 seconds

[lyric summit]

so paired with wildfire you still have a burst phase, which is good

[ocean forge]

proposal to call MCH's burst phase: the ping validator

[lyric summit]

except the automata deal damage consistently instead of stashing it into wf which can just get eaten by a jump

[boreal edge]

@lyric summit 1 of main points

[ocean forge]

regarding mech and dark knight clone, my question is are their summon animation cancellable (if this is a valid word)

[boreal edge]

im not looking forward mch

we went from WF boss jumps

to have WF + robot at boss jump

[lyric summit]

just overload it earlier and detonate

[ocean forge]

omg... the Ashe x MCH glamour will hit their peak

[lyric summit]

better that now like in o10s

[ocean forge]

we have a job that wields a gun and can summon a humanoid robot

it is Ashe and BOB from overwatch

[lyric summit]

fast opener + if you get one extra gcd somewhere = wf gets eaten at 1s

[ocean forge]

my ping is crap

i will always have garbage wildfire phase

[quick verge]

you only need 90 ping

[lyric summit]

at least you can detonate 9/10th of your wf plus overload the robot early

which is better than current mch

[ocean forge]

YOU UNDERESTIMATED MY PING

[lyric summit]

at least burst wise

[boreal edge]

also mch look will still rely on doubleweaving at WF

[quick verge]

i don't see a problem with that

[lyric summit]

same

[quick verge]

oh no i gotta press buttons

[simple sky]

I don't mind wildfire

I mind flamethrower

[quick verge]

ricochet

fuck that ability

[lyric summit]

ricochet best ogcd what drugs are you on

[quick verge]

like oh boy let me get that sweet 13 hour animation lock

[boreal edge]

even with my 65ms i cant do 6 gcds WF without removing 1 cd from WF damage

[ocean forge]

richochet looks cool i can give you that

but ricochet is like most of MNK's damage oGCD

you press them on cooldown to do more damage

.....

[boreal edge]

with rapid fire making gcds at 1.5s

[lyric summit]

ricochet doesn't have an animation lock? hello

[quick verge]

like most abilities

[boreal edge]

i cant weave there

without clipping

[lyric summit]

just buy better ping

[quick verge]

yeah just

get better ping

eastcoast_ping btw

[simple sky]

download more ram

[quick verge]

download a car

[simple sky]

i wish

[boreal edge]

i had to deal with 50 potency less WF damage

[simple sky]

wow

[boreal edge]

to not clip the 6 gcds

[lyric summit]

you can't say a job is badly designed just because it's not high ping friendly

we can't all be blm/drg

[simple sky]

at least rapid fire is gone

[quick verge]

drg is ping gated

[simple sky]

[quick verge]

hello

[boreal edge]

its still there

[quick verge]

you ever see those 0 latency japanese fuckers that can weave jump and mirage dive

[boreal edge]

he had it during overheat

but got bundled

with overheat now

[simple sky]

oh

so now it just happens?

[boreal edge]

instead of making it standalone cd

[simple sky]

nice

[lyric summit]

I wonder if there's any repercussions for getting heat to 100

[quick verge]

pacification

[lyric summit]

does it overheat you or just nothing

[quick verge]

[simple sky]

vuln stack

[quick verge]

or over-overheat

[simple sky]

2 min vuln stack so you just play riskier as the fight progresses

[lyric summit]

what if you're supposed to overheat through gauge and hypercharge

[boreal edge]

i think 100 heat will get you pacifiction

[quick verge]

yes

time to align

your 3 burst phases

[lyric summit]

overheat squared

[quick verge]

and get a 100k wildfire

[lyric summit]

good

[boreal edge]

in real life

if wep overheated

it stop shootting

[quick verge]

we're also adding a new mechanic

your gun can randomly jam

and you need to play a minigame for it to work again

please enjoy

[simple sky]

dancer?

[boreal edge]

dancer got ammulition

from mch

[lyric summit]

technical step has a 50k no-crit/dh damage anyways so you know

it's a wf but with your legs

[quick verge]

hot

[simple sky]

now that is what I call