along with DRG
#endgame-lounge
wintry ridge
cold ember
as long ur pulling ur weight no matter what class u will be accepted
regal halo
That doesn't matter.
sweet blade
Im not going to tell a good player that I dont want them because they play RDM and npt BLM
wintry ridge
would you take SAM or monk too
or just not care which 3
as long as they have the debuff
that is what I am asking you
uncut charm
Sorry to break your bubble, but that's not reality and thus no one is going to care. The reality is that most are not god tier players and thus your 99.9999999999999% optimization does not matter for them because they are not on that level to produce the results that matter
thorn bear
yes vedicc, it would be nice if top tier groups could have more variety, i'm sure they would enjoy not having to play dragoon and ninja, but this doens't apply to anyone but them
rigid iris
i press life surge when i'm pressing wheeling thrust/fang and claw last
wintry ridge
Bravo
thing is
realistically thats not true because what they do affects pugs
party finder
rigid iris
there's alot of casuals in this game
wintry ridge
getting insta kicked for a meta job etc
thorn bear
if you are a sam main
uncut charm
yeah
wintry ridge
happens a lot
uncut charm
then make your own PF
thorn bear
or go find a group that'll take you
wintry ridge
ya you can
uncut charm
no one asked you to join those PFs
wintry ridge
but you are now waiting an extra few hours sometimes
for a group to form if it forms at all
thorn bear
you'll wait anyway
sweet blade
PFs that dont care about the actual players skill and only their class arent worth joining
wintry ridge
my point is for end game
regal halo
form group for what purpose?
regal halo
Progression? Farm? or what
wintry ridge
like pierce
rigid iris
i'm not gonna pug during raid
thorn bear
samurai is hella represented
regal halo
There is a difference you know.
wintry ridge
both perceptively and realistically
wintry ridge
class diversity as represented in the raiding 8 slots
thorn bear
the jobs that aren't played aren't played because they aren't good
wintry ridge
ie: no perma DRG
wintry ridge
thats a huge QoL for all
wintry ridge
for 1 switch of a debuff
thorn bear
it has more parses than ninja
thorn bear
sweet blade
I wouldnt say DRG is a huge QoL
errant kayak
guess who's not getting TA
sweet blade
I mean the damage buff is nice but not needed to clear or even do well
thorn bear
machinist has low parses because people don't find it fun and it has a stigma
wintry ridge
DRG MNK SAM say if all 3 shared pierce
thorn bear
black mage is a hard job
wintry ridge
you'd see less DRG more monk and SAM but all 3 end game would be taken and viable
thorn bear
monk is also a very hard job
wintry ridge
because of that 1 debuff
regal halo
Dude, even if DRG, MNK and SAM share 3 piercing
errant kayak
they are all viable right now
regal halo
It won't change the situation now as is.
errant kayak
i have seem
wintry ridge
but its so small
errant kayak
seen*
wintry ridge
it wouldnt matter
errant kayak
literally no party in pf
wintry ridge
to the majority of raiders
errant kayak
except parse parties
sweet blade
Nothing matters
wintry ridge
thats all I am trying to say
regal halo
In fact
errant kayak
that would care if you bring a sam, drg, or mnk
uncut charm
mnk is too fast
rigid iris
i've seen more drg/nin in several static clears
thorn bear
you could give machinst foes requiem and passive crit
regal halo
people would be complaining what's the point having all 3 jobs have piercing debuff
sweet blade
The 1% will stil find the absolute best comp and everyone else will take whatever they want
thorn bear
and no one would play it
regal halo
Like
uncut charm
^
hybrid rapids
regal halo
eh?
wintry ridge
ya drg / nin is pretty standard
sweet blade
No amount of balancing will fix that
wintry ridge
ive stated that many times
sweet blade
And you have been refuted many times
wintry ridge
take large debuff or buff unique to a single class open it up to a few more
regal halo
How about no
wintry ridge
to improve end game class representation
uncut charm
iluna at this point you (we) are just ๅฏน็ๅผน็ด
wintry ridge
keep the smaller utility for class specific
sweet blade
No amount of balancing will stop people from finding the absolute best comp
thorn bear
vedicc samurai has such high amount of parses
wintry ridge
maybe i'm wrong
errant kayak
let the guy express his views
regal halo
Which you are.
uncut charm
yes you are
thorn bear
more than summoner which is a meta job
wintry ridge
but I feel like it would make a drastic difference
regal halo
uncut charm
guilty as charged
errant kayak
why are we trying so hard to convince him that he's wrong
regal halo
At the very least present yourcase with a screenshot.
wintry ridge
I'd have to put it in a google doc
uncut charm
I love how people wants to start a debate and be that special snowflake going against what is widely accepted view, but then place the burden of proof on the other side
regal halo
That's with a 75th percentile standard comp. The one who got gimped the most seems to be MCH, but that's because people have a lot of dissatisfaction with the class, not because of their utility
wintry ridge
1 SS wont tell the big picture
rigid iris
errant kayak
i mean
regal halo
and MCH has utility even
thorn bear
it tells more than you know
sweet blade
It wont tell the picture because there is no picture
errant kayak
if you're willing to present your case with a full fledged report
wintry ridge
MCH competes with BRD
errant kayak
go right on ahead
wintry ridge
for that slot
thorn bear
mch is perfectly fine, it has refresh, it has dismantle, it has hypercharge
topaz wolf
chances are that in ShB they're gonna remove resistance debuffs so this is pointless either way
errant kayak
nobody is opposed to it
thorn bear
the reason it isn't played is because no one likes playing it
errant kayak
^
wintry ridge
so its like what class is more fun BRD or MCH
errant kayak
you're overlooking a lot of reaons
regal halo
Yeah, and you know why people take BRD over MCH?
wintry ridge
and who bring better dps / utility
rigid iris
there has been a split between the usual dps comps
opal hollow
Discussing balance this late in the expansion doesn't make much sense ๐ค
wintry ridge
you'd have to answer both
sweet blade
Which class is more fun is purely subjective
errant kayak
but you're not
opal hollow
No1 likes playing mch and they gonn get reworked anyway
regal halo
Certainly doesn't make sense but guess who brought it up here
errant kayak
you're answering only one of them
uncut charm
didnt for a long time
opal hollow
Was it me but i forgot?
thorn bear
I'd play machinist unless I was forced at gunpoint to play bard lel
uncut charm
MCH was able to do more DPS than BRD
wintry ridge
then what are the fun melee SAM vs DRG vs MNK vs who actually gets the slot
uncut charm
higher skill ceiling
errant kayak
?
uncut charm
but then no one really like MCH cos it sucks to play
regal halo
TA is from the back yes?
wintry ridge
not land but burst phase I see even end game raiders bonk it from time to time
vernal swallow
yes
opal hollow
Tank must be doing the legendary spin2win tactic
regal halo
You honestly can't land TA from the back?
topaz wolf
ive never played ninja and i feel confident enough that i can be behind the boss and press a button
sweet blade
You dont even have to hit the back with TN
regal halo
Same.
wintry ridge
but NIN by far in my opinion is least fav melee to play
vernal swallow
just true north it and hit whereever
errant kayak
that is called an opinion
sweet blade
Whats the CD of TA and TN?
wintry ridge
SAM being most fun, followed by monk, DRG then NIN
errant kayak
although you'd also use it for stuff like aoelian edge
rigid iris
anyone's entitled to their opinion
errant kayak
such as like panto what not
thorn bear
yeah its called fflogs.com
wintry ridge
but what they would like to be or most fun they have had?
thorn bear
where you find
sweet blade
Why would anyone care what a poll says about the most fun class
wintry ridge
Meara
sweet blade
People say AST is the most fun healer yet I hate it
errant kayak
why would I care about what others find fun to play
rigid iris
that's a biased assumption
wintry ridge
id like to compare that poll to what is represented in game in raiding
errant kayak
well
sweet blade
No
errant kayak
you can make that poll yourself
sweet blade
A "what is fun poll" has absolutely no baring on raidinh
errant kayak
wintry ridge
because what many of you are saying if you play what you like the variance shouldnt be that great
id argue that it is
thorn bear
I've never said
regal halo
thorn bear
variance shouldn't be great
wintry ridge
but i do not have the data for "fun"
thorn bear
ive literally never said that once lmao
opal hollow
Moon runes ๐
rigid iris
I don't like RNG based classes
wintry ridge
sure
regal halo
Translation? Okay here goes.
thorn bear
the variance is there because of misconceptions and what people find fun
wintry ridge
we can use JP poll compared to JP raid data
errant kayak
then go straight on ahead
wintry ridge
where is JP "fun" poll?
sweet blade
Please provide something
rigid iris
BRD - 279 votes
opal hollow
Yea
uncut charm
it is
errant kayak
yup
thorn bear
my kanji is very low skill
rigid iris
well WHM is almost high up
wintry ridge
whats dark knight called?
thorn bear
but I can read that 
regal halo
- BRD
- DRG
- WHM
- SCH
- RDM
- PLD
- WAR
8.NIN - AST
- SAM
- DRK
- SMN
- BLM_
errant kayak
dark knight
wintry ridge
knight and dark knight
regal halo
- MCH
- MNK
wintry ridge
thats confusing lol
opal hollow
Paladin is a pretty common term for holy knights in the west anyway afaik
wintry ridge
wait thats the order for fun with BRD and DRG on top?
sweet blade
Is that in order that they appear on the SS or order of popularity?
rigid iris
Well I've seen a lot of BRDs in almost every static
regal halo
That's the order of popularity based on the fun of the jobs you play
It has nothing to do with utility
opal hollow
Brd is pretty fun not gonna lie
sweet blade
Christ
wintry ridge
and BLM down on list too
opal hollow
Gets statistics > eh i dunno
opal hollow
Get yer own numbers then
wintry ridge
it seems to be the most fun
opal hollow
Again
thorn bear
damn dude
opal hollow
Opinion
thorn bear
what an opinion
sweet blade
If you have proof that theirs is wrong please provide it at some point
topaz wolf
and here i thought i was stubborn
errant kayak
well the data says rdm
opal hollow
^
wintry ridge
well before I left is was the most fun
errant kayak
i dont know what you're looking at
opal hollow
๐ฉ
regal halo
WHM, jobs that people won't take in the utmost meta of the meta in speedrunning
wintry ridge
they had a poll 26 monthsd ago
sweet blade
Hell, ill take anything at this point
regal halo
gets no.3 spot in fun
wintry ridge
no clue where that is I will try to find it but a lot has changed I assume
opal hollow
Whm pretty satisfying in dungeons
wintry ridge
with classes
regal halo
Where is your god now?
wintry ridge
so that is bias on my part
rigid iris
most of them are played by casuals
wintry ridge
if that data is true for JPN
i will use that small sample size and compare it with JPN raid data
wintry ridge
no i know those polls are not accurate today
vernal swallow
wintry ridge
so not using them, just saying the last info I saw was a different story than that list just now
sweet blade
Wow things change over time
errant kayak
yes, of course
sweet blade
More news at 11
errant kayak
because it's been 2 years
wintry ridge
I know
I stated as much
SO i have to pull the JPN raid data
and compare that to that list
regal halo
How about no.
errant kayak
before you do that
how would you know that this fun poll
is polled by raiders?
let alone hardcore raiders
wintry ridge
you wouldnt and honestly that sample size is too small
sweet blade
Ok question
wintry ridge
but you can adjust for error
assuming the poll was answered honestly and data is correct
sweet blade
What does a popularity poll have anything to do with what your trying to prove
errant kayak
the fact that's it's been almost 2 hours makes this anything but simple
wintry ridge
are under respresented for reasons like Pierce debuff for example
or something similar
regal halo
No, let's not.
wintry ridge
then give it to more classes that compete for that raid slot
regal halo
Seriously, that fun to play is just, fun to play. Doubt utility has anything to do with it
wintry ridge
if fun and meta happen to align perfectly
thorn bear
fun to play jobs
wintry ridge
then my point is wrong
wintry ridge
and I apologize
wintry ridge
well on NA I think its the most popular class for play style and lore / rp / job
not glamor
think that goes to DRK
jolly sluice
@sweet blade I'm with you on that. Big dislike for rng! No like ast
sweet blade
Alright guys, Yuyuru agrees with me, I am now validated ๐
jolly sluice
also I keep forgetting to draw cards entirely
jolly sluice
I'm trying to think what jobs I'd like to be designated MT, just for aesthetic purposes but I can't decide since 3/4 of them are two hander dandies
thorn bear
designated mt is so dumb tbh
torn kindle
I mean, there's Paladin with their big shield
jolly sluice
right, that would be my first guess. After that I just don't know
@thorn bear I agree, but from what I saw yoshi's talks about tank balance that's what we're getting
sweet blade
Yeah he specifically mentions wanting 2 MT and 2 OT iirc
jolly sluice
I hope that simply means "slightly better at one role than the other" than it being brazenly obvious they're meant for one thing.
jolly sluice
something like that.
wintry ridge
oh that's interesting
sweet blade
Imo it'll probably be PLD/DRK MT, WAR/GUN OT
jolly sluice
I'm gonna go with DRK because PLD in japanese is Knight so I'd like it to be both knights to be the mts
wintry ridge
Hmm I'd say War / PLD MT
Gun and DRK OT
though DRK and PLD MT would be really cool
visually lore wise and all
and war and GB as OT damage focused makes more sense
just hope for raiding they dont crap the bucket with the balance changes
jolly sluice
just remember
We went an entire expansion with lillies and plenary indulgence
torn kindle
Now that's some dangerous levels of optimism there.
wintry ridge
too bad they can never make that job raid viable
its so good you'd just have 8 BLU
scenic patrol
Plenary should be indefinite and any heal can trigger it IMO
sweet blade
Imagine if HotS added a stack
hybrid rapids
Plen 30s is pretty good
jolly sluice
That'd be interesting if only it added a stack after running its full course. Would also encourage controlled heals and letting regens ride out entirely
scenic patrol
I want Assize mainly to generate stacks
jolly sluice
that's kind of broken
torn kindle
Assize is already super good.
jolly sluice
might as well make it even better
scenic patrol
At being a DPS button sure
torn kindle
400 potency heal/damage aoe every 45 seconds and gives 10% MP
hybrid rapids
Lily is mainly PvP thing
jolly sluice
I feel like they're going to bounce back on the assize buff in 5.0 with whatever changes they bring kinda like what they did for AST.
Oh yeah I do love lillies in pvp. WHM is great there
sweet blade
Ever since the change to CS Assize has been stupid broken
scenic patrol
The issue with Assize is that it's mainly used on CD as a DPS button and if it aligns with damage than lucky
jolly sluice
I use it for heals too, honest!
sweet blade
Also Divine Benison is my new favorite ability
jolly sluice
benis is honestly pretty great
sweet blade
Its like a preemptive Tetra
jolly sluice
wait is it 400 now?
jolly sluice
omg
hybrid rapids
!action assize
storm frostBOT
jolly sluice
omg even the damage is buffed to 400
that's great. I wanna keep it like this forever
hybrid rapids
Ye, itโs crazy
scenic patrol
Too bad that the one fight where healing matters this tier WHM feels like a limited job
hybrid rapids
Fast CD too
jolly sluice
I should play WHM more. I do love sch but that was my first!
scenic patrol
stable basin
Assize is kinda weird
hybrid rapids
Also irony that people disliking it because it heal too much haha
Like more than necessary
stable basin
Optimal play with it is just throw it out on cd for the damage and just cure 3 instead of stone if you need to
sweet blade
I do sorta wish it had a way to buff the party
hybrid rapids
But I do like it a lot in ultimate
Very consistent
Had 4 ucob kill within 2 hours
stable basin
It's also apparently enormous, like pretty sure our whm said it was hitting all the magitek bits in uwu transition
hybrid rapids
My alt is a meme at this point
Only levelled one job
But have 11 ucob kill now
They going 5 more before disbanding
stable basin
waw
idk what the other group plans to do but one of my groups is talking about doing like three clears and calling it there
Which feels kinda unsatisfying
stable basin
Spend so many hours learning a fight and then hardly any time actually reclearing
stable basin
We did 5 UWU but that was just two days of reclears
or three counting the day we got 0 lol
stable basin
Yeah I think with one group at least we're gonna be in reclears and still have like 25% failure rate on octet towers xd
Had one UWU pull where we wiped suppression cause one guy just never got light pillar before
hybrid rapids
how far are you in ucob?
remember you were running with someone i know
but forgot
was it bongo cat
oh wait
it's vignette
stable basin
Got 2 groups running, same tanks/heals but different DPS
Both saw THE BOI (golden) for the first time last week
Obviously hoping we can get a clear this week but next week would still be great
hybrid rapids
good luck !
stable basin
:3
hybrid rapids
fc mate faye
wet stag
We saw fellruin last night
hybrid rapids
!!
wet stag
But now 5 day break orz
hybrid rapids
lmao
the golden time to nail first two trios...
and people going 5 days break...
/pet
wet stag
We didn't even nail it
stable basin
Yeah we've had "oh akh morn actually hits hard," "oh I need to hit invuln sooner," dcs, and "that morn afah needed reprisal" plus some stray exaflares already so hopefully we run out of golden memes to try out soon
wet stag
We saw fellruin with 3 people dead ool
stable basin
henlo o/
stable basin
PLD dc'd right before the AM he was scheduled to hallow so we got rekt but strugglebussed to the last exaflares by saccing morn afahs
stable basin
My favorite thing is tank lb3 when a couple people die in heavensfall
then tank lb3 again for the fireball
hybrid rapids
can you survive?
stable basin
yeah
hybrid rapids
remember one failed is possible
stable basin
You can can survive 2 missing towers and it gives back lb3 lol
stable basin
Might need some shielding idk
hybrid rapids
so 2 is okay
stable basin
tanks can survive 3 missing
hybrid rapids
damage down is annoying tho...
boreal edge
what about the 90% dmg down
stable basin
yeah you're pretty screwed by that
boreal edge
or whatever it is
stable basin
I just think the instant lb3 recharge is funny
hybrid rapids
ye, too much instant dead damage received haha
stable basin
Haven't thought about tank lb on fellruin but seems like you'd be fine and still have lb3 for adds ๐ค
Or just like
do it properly
hybrid rapids
it's more on healer ye
and tanks take their own tether
but healers missed timing to heal after explosion
people would be so dead for dive after haha
stable basin
tank lb octet then eat twisty boi with surecast to get it back
hybrid rapids
i know rescue work
not sure anti knowback
the person stepped on it will die for sure
but the collateral damage one can be saved
steep iris
oo
hybrid rapids
but not sure if anti knockback work
stable basin
I think for the people who get yeeted it does and the person stepping on it just straight up gets the soul removed from their body
Also saw a clip of Zeno when someone stepped on one right as he onslaughted and he was fine
stable basin
ofc if he used onslaught he was probably in ir which means anti knockback doesn't work ๐ค
hybrid rapids
rip
foggy latch
are there patch notes or speculations of which dps get nerfed or buffed for shb?
boreal edge
no
torn kindle
only a few tidbits of info known
stable basin
A little bit of confirmed stuff and a lot of "confirmed" stuff
torn kindle
this has all the info we know for shadowbringers
foggy latch
thanks
boreal edge
the actual nerfs/buffs are during Early access
torn kindle
So all we know in terms of job changes is a threat adjust/solution to Foe Requiem and the MCH turrets are getting some kind of mobility improvement
foggy latch
dancer won't be race/gender locked right?
torn kindle
not at all.
boreal edge
no
foggy latch
ok cool
foggy latch
seems like the fact that dancer deals slashing damage, maybe there will be SAM/DNC meta ๐ค
boreal edge
we dont know meta details yet
i hope they get rid of it
or lower its impact further
stable basin
Feel like the safest bet of anything would be DRG no longer locked into meta because of debuff changes and/or DNC using slashing but they could easily push numbers around to make them super desired still
foggy latch
there will always be metas tho, in any game where there is competitiveness and min/max
boreal edge
iirc they are deleting damage type res
foggy latch
reaaaaaaaally
torn kindle
they want to do something about resistances.
foggy latch
that's interesting
stable basin
They've said they're "adjusting them" (which is actually an upgrade from last I heard, "we've thought about it and decided on something.")
boreal edge
i doubt it
boreal edge
they didnt say it will be combined
but tp will be removed
mp might remain on casters
and other jobs who dont use mp
will get another resource
stable basin
General assumption is that they'll make single-target weaponskills free and have aoe weaponskills/all spells cost mana
foggy latch
ah
stable basin
But that's just community guessing
It would make sense though since you only care about tp in aoe
Or if you're running like 1.9 speedmeme SAM
boreal edge
u dont have tp issues
even with memespeed sam
unless u dont have tactician brd/mch which is uncommon
foggy latch
Cosmetic Contents
Glamour Dresser
Capacity will be increased to 400 and the number of glamour plates will increase.
Still wish they could just check off items on a list once you've touched them like D3/WoW/pretty much every other game at this point
foggy latch
word
stable basin
But 400 at least takes some effort to fill I feel like
boreal edge
just like ppl who filled 8 retainers with crafting mats
boreal edge
you will see ppl still do it
foggy latch
so much
boreal edge
i have yet to use the dresser myself
stable basin
when I look at cleaning out inventory and such my approach is "I will miss this less than I think I will"
boreal edge
maybe cause my glam options are limited
stable basin
I stuff most pieces that look vaguely cool in there hoping that at some point I'll have more ideas for outfits
foggy latch
i do a lot of crafting and harvesting, so I have like weeks old mats sitting there that I think "maybe I'll use this..."
stable basin
But I pretty much just use a couple different setups at this point
boreal edge
i had midan coat of aiming since 4.3 thinking i might use it for brd glamour
i threw it yesterday
stable basin
And my character actually looks weird to me when I'm not using archaeodemon horns
foggy latch
i never knew I needed those horns until now
glossy musk
double glamour dresser and plates instead of just making a glamour book like every other MMO in the world
Yoshidaaaaaaaaaaa
fossil basalt
glossy musk
I feel like this must take up more data with each character having their own list and whether itโs HQ or not etc
Than having a single list you mark 0 or 1 on
rigid iris
either i raid or do daily hunt trains
lunar pollen
I do cross world hunts and Eureka for my currency
Cross World Hunts solve all shortages
upbeat dome
lyric summit
congratulations
maiden ermine
Grats man
I have yet not try Savage / Ex yet just 382 Scholar e.e willing to see how fun it is
ocean forge
learn how to do mechanics first
then find windows to do heal optimally / squeeze in DPS
clever sphinx
Is there any point of grinding Genisis and Mendicity now that we have just over 5 weeks before the expansion hits (for the people that preorder it)
torn kindle
you can convert them into poetics when expac hits
clever sphinx
Will everything turn to Poetics when exp hits?
quick verge
actually having decent gear for the first few levels on shadowbringers
clever sphinx
Cause I'm thinking of maxing out both I 12 days left on my sub
torn kindle
yeah both mendacity and genesis will be convertable into poetics
and the SB tomestone gear will be buyable with poetics.
clever sphinx
What's the decent ilevel for early game of shadowbringers? I have ilevel 382 on my tank
clever sphinx
I'm just going to do the 24 man raid so I can get my 400 weapon for my pld. My drk is going to go with the Mendicity weapon
uncut charm
400 gear if by going current patterns will last you until lvl 75 nicely
You can be somewhat a burden by trying to use them more closer to 80 if you are healer or dps but as a tank you will want to keep up with gear
Look at how bardam mettle and vault spanks tanks hard when they were launched
clever sphinx
I remember doing deltascape when I first got access to it. I was getting spanked hard there. Drowned City of Skalla, was also another dungeon where I was like wtf....
Now I'm just like healer can you cover us while I grab 2 to 3 group of mobs
stable basin
I don't know if it'll follow the same formula but, augmented shire and alexandrian were 270, and class gear for stormblood upon hitting 70 was like 290
clever sphinx
My only gear that isn't 280 is my ring should i just get a Mendicity one or genisis
ocean forge
Well... Augmented Ironworks is 130, I think the first lvl 60 gears are 150
steady pebble
crafted is 150, yes
mellow oar
is the ironwork still good? i have full set of irionwork on all my crafters (was expensive) dont want to change it q-q for the current recipes
thorn bear
it'll carry you to 70 probably
I think its as good as level 65 nq gear
and I used a mix of 63/65 until 70
mellow oar
not the normal ironwork gear
dont remember but the latest version of it
the bluewish color one
mellow oar
ugh what a pain and i have to also upgrade my anima relic(blue daggers one) to the latest version as well
is there?
i remember 2 ironwork sets
the one thats blackish and the blue one
mellow oar
crafting
theres an ironwork set that doesnt have a blue color to it
or maybe im just thinking of dyeing it
mellow oar
naaah it was irnworks yeah
thorn bear
and yeah like I said, ironworks HQ is as good as NQ level 65 gear
thorn bear
yeah deadass
mellow oar
what do u get after that ?
thorn bear
twinsilk
mellow oar
whats current metta for crafters ?
steady pebble
At this point, there's no reason to go for twinsilk
thorn bear
super cheap rn
steady pebble
just use custom deliveries to get the yellow scrips for handking set
thorn bear
if u wanted to be ultra poverty
mellow oar
im kinda broke right now 1m gil i used to have 50m gil
thorn bear
you could get handking
steady pebble
like we're so close to shadowbringers that getting onishi isn't worth it unless its super cheap
mellow oar
how much for chest piece?+ server
thorn bear
I bought mine for like 250k on gilgamesh
steady pebble
Hand/Landking is fine for shadowbringers leveling
mellow oar
maybe it will be 50k more expensive on Odin
odin is surrounded with 24/7 raiders
there will be one thing i will never forget
getting fishing from 0 to 60 and 60 to 70
in 2 weeks
everyday for 5 hours
thorn bear
gilg is a big server ๐
mellow oar
100k population daily ?
thorn bear
no server is that big lol
lyric summit
you're gonna interact with like 50 people a day max if you try really hard anyways so it doesn't matter
visual geyser
raw cliff
world visit is a bit limited
quick verge
sure
torn kindle
Yes you can buy them from the market board
lunar pollen
If you don't want to buy them from MB or can't afford it the alternative is specific mob kills, Golden Bunny chests and heat boxes
Check the tabs in this spreadsheet if you want the full scoop https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16EYZPQTgL8FvkNdsyFmob-P_FN7krXI-pfgMrMQpAqY/edit?usp=sharing
errant kayak
there's a few that are quite expensive, others not so much, because i only need 30 right?
or at least 30 rather
lunar pollen
30 to upgrade the weapon
50 if you want the armor
56 (the other 6 are from Hydatos) if you want to upgrade the armor too
And feel free to join this discord if you want more information https://discord.gg/WBXw9pN
errant kayak
okay, thanks!
thorn bear
you need to combine the mnemes you get from the logograms thoj
but it would more then likely save you time and sanity
to just buy em
stable basin
Get legend title
Go in with Vig
clear again
plan for saturday
Actually might get first clear with Vig tomorrow
all my groups doing extra lockouts this weekend
idk which ways up
hybrid rapids
Tips
You can shirk someone after golden 5th morn afah
So they will being kill after you
stable basin
I remembered to do that in the last one but I think they died right before so I still had top aggro lol
Both enrages ppl ate an exa from the last set
latent temple
Kirin armor for Eureka?
worth it?
heavy mist
latent temple
Pad about 460k x 2 for the items to buy it
I really want to get into Baldesion so I figured it was worth the investment
steady pebble
!itemglam Kirin's Osode of Fending
storm frostBOT
latent temple
oh he didnt capitalize the I in item
wtf kupo
rapid sapphire
Kirin armor is best in slot for BA runs because meteria doesn't get tossed due to syncing
fringe granite
Vermillion Cloaks do the same for casters and healers
high ether
fringe granite
Pile your DRK has too much SkS
stable basin
never enough fast
fringe granite
If you start clipping skills it's too fast
stable basin
eh single weave still fine
That is fast enough that DA drifts in the GCD though lol
glossy musk
Single weave OOF
pastel cobalt
zinc grail
any hunt LSes?
fringe granite
Ask around on your server
lunar pollen
What server are you on Sara?
sand lion
So like, why would I use mendacity tomes? when I can get better gear for genesis
I know it takes forver to get enough genesis tomes
but I'm gonna end up ditching mendacity gear anyway
quick verge
you can buy mendacity mats
to actually use or sell
doman reiyaku
to upgrade 380 crafted
hybrid rapids
GC seals for me
ocean forge
Because genesis is capped
And mendacity is expendable
If you need a small ilvl boost to get to the next part of your MSQ or to join a omega raid
And it can be achieved by swapping one of your gear with mendacity
Then why not use mendacity?
polar iron
And if youve no use for them you can buy stuff to sell like someone said
jolly sluice
so how would you feel if they changed CUL desynth to be a sort of wildcard in 5.0? You could get all sorts of materials like ore, herbs, high value allagan pieces, gear, etc. The logic being that fish can gulp up just about anything, maybe even other animals for skins!
astral heart
I have a question pls: Do I really have to do the relic again, if I want to have the 400 weapon without the glow? Is there really no replica? For all the previous weapons it is available ๐ซ
Will there be maybe an update to add it?
At the moment only the pyros weapons are available
And I checked the replica vendor
boreal edge
@astral heart wait til 5.0 they will add replicas
same to HW and ARR relics
they added em in the next expac
astral heart
Ah, ok. Really nice ๐ Thank you so much for the information @boreal edge Made my day haha
lunar pollen
Yeah, sadly you won't be able to get 400 model without starting over more likely than not.
stable basin
quick verge
what the nani
simple sky
time paradox
quick verge
when was this
stable basin
Last pull
silver frost
stable basin
Living Dead is a skill you cast and while it's active, if you would die from damage you instead enter a state where you can't be reduced below 1 hp but you have to get healed for your max hp within 10 seconds or you die for real
And uhh
The (O:###) in FFlogs means overkill
So the autoattack killed me before I casted Living Dead but it somehow saved me anyway
quick verge
(51.5k)
simple sky
๐ค
steep iris
cause the damage is calculated on end of cast
stable basin
downburst damage is a ruse so you don't expect ifrit/titan/ultima to hit indecently hard with their busters
steep iris
and doesn't account for animation delay
or damage delay
I've had that on fflogs when i saved my drg from an extra defamation during hw (almost same time as ion efflux, less than 1s between)
stable basin
and then those busters are a reverse ruse for ultima's diffractive laser hitting like a baby
๐
steep iris
reverse ruse?
stable basin
Nobody expects the wimpy 50k cleave after the 125k homings, 145k mountain busters, and the "just invuln this" incinerates
steep iris
oh
any thoughts on mnk ultimate weps?
and sch ultimate wep
only have enough totems for 5 more weps and those 2 jobs are the ones i'm kinda iffy on
steep iris
idk, sch book seems a little underwhelming
sch omega book looks awesome already anyway
might need to take a second look at it in not-try-on mode if you're on
quick verge
im in bed
steep iris
ah yes
quick verge
ill be on at 4am or something
steep iris
back to the 9pm sleep times
stable basin
:D
storm frostBOT
storm frostBOT
stable basin
nope
We didn't hold anything
killed nael on first quote after divebombs
I think held 1 minutes? idk
steep iris
ahh okay
stable basin
Doesn't seem to bad for alignment but I only have carve & spit I really worry about ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
untold oyster
!oldlogs
storm frostBOT
untold oyster
!oldlogs Gilgamesh locke Rockwell deltascape
storm frostBOT
storm frostBOT
zinc vortex
cool bot
boreal edge
!oldlogs Omega Spearya Ashford Deltascape
storm frostBOT
boreal edge
oh i didnt know you can see old logs from previous tiers
zinc vortex
yeah thats pretty cool
dull radish
yeah that's a bit newer
boreal edge
!oldlogs Omega Spearya Ashford Sigmascape
storm frostBOT
blazing pelican
!oldlogs Gilgamesh Yen Moonvow Sigmascape
storm frostBOT
blazing pelican
@boreal edge didn't you raid a fuckton of jobs in Sigma? That may be the problem.
boreal edge
yes
dull radish
he tried the command a second time shortly after in #kupo-bot-spam and it worked that time. So could be some sort of timeout thing from loading a bunch of parses
dull radish
and then running it the second time, it went through because the stuff was already brought up previously, or something
blazing pelican
Sigma was the best tier this expac don't @ me
boreal edge
@blazing pelican
blazing pelican
blazing pelican
You're right Alte Roite was the pinnacle of savage difficulty
boreal edge
O3S was awesome wtf
stable basin
Aite Roite and Eyes of the Creator are the hardest raids in the game
quick verge
I heard s1r cats got hit by a nonzero amount of exaflares and will have to revoke your legend title
dull radish
ouch, unfortunate
dull radish
mmm if you're going in with current gear and not doing min ilvl or whatever, O4S is significantly easier
simple sky
GCO is some big brain shit
dull radish
much higher ilvl and such greatly trivializes mechanics and dps checks
simple sky
||or a healer LB3||
dull radish
with a solid group you can even clear before GCO~
simple sky
dang
dull radish
but yeah mostly folks just healer LB3, or you can kinda wing it if people somewhat know what's going on, and there's a lot of room for error
fathom matrix
whats GCO
simple sky
Grand Cross Omega
fathom matrix
i see
dull radish
it's basically that tier's "here's a bunch of mechanics happening at once, but if you focus on what your role can get it's actually really easy"
simple sky
^
dull radish
that they started adding in starting back with A8S in HW
simple sky
for HW I just close my eyes and pretend everyone else is doing it correctly
same for forsaken too lol
scenic patrol
HW is really annoying with trying to understand what went wrong tbh
dull radish
It can be yeah, definitely to the sort of thing where recording the pull so you can review the footage is super valuable
quick verge
only seems hard to understand if you're doing it blind
hardest part is getting the fucker that murdered everyone to speak up
dull radish
We had a few ???s from HW, from people not noticing when they make a mistake, to that one pull where we learned that you can pick up rot too late
That latter one took a bit to figure out haha
chrome furnace
how much does damage improve from i380 Omicron gear to BiS i400? I'm seeing like 8.5k+ parses for SAM alphascape v1 savage while I myself only get around 6k in normal v1
basically how much do I suck vs how much does my gear suck
steep iris
well currently savage has echo so that 8.5k is boosted by 15% p much
stable basin
i370->i400 was something like a ~30% boost? 380->400 is probably closer to ~20% or so
oh wait
bit smaller numbers
steep iris
and iirc in i380 you can hit 7k
stable basin
I remember being carried by 7k sam week 1
boreal edge
u can hit 7k at early i380
ocean forge
knowing your rotations
and having teammates not hell bend on killing you or messing your uptime
helps too
glossy musk
quasi totem
What is a decent number on bard in ilvl380?
boreal edge
what part? SSS or certain fight? @quasi totem
on SSS you will be on fine ground if you are doing around 5800 dps
quasi totem
Just in general a guideline sort of. Since I haven't looked into parses since probably.. beginning of hw so idk where the numbers are atm xnx
Ah okay
Ty! c:
boreal edge
np
in actual content you will do much higher
if you have DRG and SCH
and if that fight dont have downtimes
stable basin
how to ifrit charges when you mess up nail order https://clips.twitch.tv/LuckyOnerousKangarooSSSsss
simple sky
EZClap
lethal zodiac
save it for new jobs
lyric summit
yeah war is yikes
boreal edge
i need to see Gun
lyric summit
drg drk brd blm are like the only good ones
jolly sluice
how long did it take?
boreal edge
i was stuck in 6% enrage since 4.3
jolly sluice
๐
boreal edge
a group wanted me to fill theirs yesterday
jolly sluice
I'm guessing you weren't playing regularly
boreal edge
with enrage exp
jolly sluice
oh nice
jolly sluice
omg 5 hours
boreal edge
myself
jolly sluice
I couldn't
lyric summit
prog takes like 80-120h for an ok group
jolly sluice
not for that long
boreal edge
they were enrage exp
lyric summit
my ucob took 98h across like 3 months
jolly sluice
98h jees, I can't