so tank will have it easier
#endgame-lounge
stable basin
went digging and actually kinda surprised golden doesn't seem to oneshot dps
mage might die with max roll or no vit melds 🤔
slim wren
Can someone explain to me why people are saying certain tanks are going to enjoy MT or OT more? I understand Paladin was preferable to be the OT because it costs a GCD to swap stances, but that isn't a factor anymore so why does it matter?
stable basin
Few factors
One is how bursty opener is, like if you pull with war both tanks can just keep stance on the whole time and ot will have 0 chance of ripping
Also general skillset, like war has dumb personal mitigation and pld has best support so you'd default to giving war the busters
stable basin
Also the fact that the pulling tank has to use their ranged skill
pld wants to start right into their rotation but drk likes the delay and war I think is also cool with it
hybrid rapids
I can't tell in 5.0 yet
but currently asides from DPS, PLD has good support and utilities as a OT
slim wren
Okay. So if they bring GNB's numbers in line, it would be MT because of the Gnashing Fang combo burst?
And does Paladin not gaining gauge if it's not blocking matter?
hybrid rapids
WAR is a good MT because strong aggro build on opener and very minor issue from swapping tank stance
unchained from war basically ignore the -20% damage from tank stance during opener
stable basin
I think pld just gets gauge from autos/holy spirits in shb
hybrid rapids
not sure in 5.0
but tanks seem balanced well
each have their utility and support as OT
stable basin
wait someone said hs gave gauge but I don't see it on the tooltip
hybrid rapids
and MT is basically just a button to toggle
stable basin
unless that's a trait 🤔
slim wren
I'm a current pld player, am really happy with the way the tanks work. My current FC has 2 DRKs, 2 PLDs, and a WAR. I'll be swapping to GNB, so we'll have a pretty sahweet four tank group
hybrid rapids
it's fine to try and play several jobs haha
slim wren
It's mostly for the aesthetic. Our WAR would gladly play a DPS if there was a DPS with an axe
exotic lark
slim wren
XD
loud sable
is it hard to go for the ozma mount?
loud sable
hmm alright, gonna try checking online for a guide about it
sweet blade
loud sable
On Eu
lyric summit
uh no not really
the raid and dungeon design is completely different, as well as more depth in combat optimization
plus you can always make casual stuff your endgame, like crafting/gathering which are also really complex, or housing and glamour, or just taking screenshots even
whereas wow, as far as i know, is basically just raids and dungeons with layers of rng on loot
stable basin
true
and dont forget grinding hundreds of hours for new races
to just get the same leveling content as any race
lyric summit
you can play with emotes in #kupo-bot-spam probably if you uhh feel the need
hot bear
what do you guys spend Poetics on nowadays
boreal edge
save em for i390 in 27 days @hot bear and fuck your pfp
hot bear
@boreal edge good point. I mean, I have spent almost 100% of SB seeing "You cannot hold any more poetics" what's another month?
Also, meeeaaaan. T___T;;
I'm just a fan of the Club President
even though all Doki are best Doki
hot bear
yeah that's true huh
also @boreal edge , your pfp is fucking awesome, Mustang is great ❤
boreal edge
ty
better save what u have so u get hit stsrt in ShB when it drop
you will be able to trade current mendacity and genesis for poetics too
quaint marten
Stock up on 60 gear if going for new jobs.
fast pilot
Can understand that GNB will be using fending, what will DNC be using again?
fast pilot
Ah cool, thanks!
steel cave
I can never get enough poetics. It’s mendacity I can’t get rid of
sly furnace
Wish SE could just let us convert our mendacity to poetics now and not in one month
steel cave
Honestly I would like them to let us downgrade tomestones even if at a loss
steel cave
Speaking of which, the advanced challenge this week I could not finish in time
Do you need primal abilities to complete it?
glossy musk
Nah, use the bombs. They'll take almost all the HP from it. Just use this guide
You can walk behind the bombs without aggroing them
so I shoot the first bomb in the middle to start
then go clockwise around
just slide casting
unborn sorrel
what is life
warm iris
if they're really "upping healing required" get used to it
the bads will be even worse, and the good players will be bored
simple sky
P sure I have apoc'd 0 times on mist dragon
torn kindle
^
quick verge
i bet you also don't use erase
storm frostBOT
simple sky
oh this thing
pastel cobalt
Erase was too powerful for this world
torn kindle
I remember saving a few people in Rabanastre/Orbonne from the divebomb bleed with it
F
vital cypress
same tbh
stable basin
randomly went poking into world first ucob reddit thread and found this comment funny
also from the clear vid apparently my conception of how megaflare stack works was wrong which kind of makes sense because the way I thought it works is kinda janky
wet stag
holy shit the dude fuckin called it 
stable basin
also found a comment chain where someone posted a clip of another group reaching golden before the world first vid came out, first morn afah targets a tank and they pop cooldown and stack with just each other and get vaporized, people are like wow that buster hits hard 
ocean forge
Holy shit, spot on
Double 5 way landslide
But you gonna admit though, the Awoken system is pretty damn cool
tepid notch
is there really around the same amount of tnaks as healers? i feel like i say waaaaaaaaaaay more tanks in the open.
or is that just because i'm a tank and it makes me feel like i see more of them? xD
scenic patrol
The time that I dabbled in doing roulettes as healer made me appreciate tank queues
But that's EU
tepid notch
how do i have to understand you appreciating them? ^^
scenic patrol
Basically there are a lot of healers on Chaos when I tried and it was a massive downgrade from tank queues
stable basin
Tanks are popular rn because everyone is leveling drk and/or learning to how tank for gnb
fathom matrix
whats the fastest way to grind for rowena token gensis?
lyric summit
expert roulette
stable basin
Expert > 70 > Dungeon spam
valid swift
Stormblood A ranks are also good filer if you're waiting in queue and they happen to pop up
Also beast tribes
unreal flax
Eureka Anemos and Pyros are another way lol.
glossy musk
Yeah Eureka is super fast but it's also pretty quite right now I'd assume
again ASSUME, could be popping for all I know
cold ember
i wonder will ppl be still be doing ucob and uwu when the next expanaion drops
thorn bear
depends on how hard they butcher level 70 jobs
unreal flax
People will still be doing it.
valid swift
It'll probably be on Wondrous Tails and part of roulettes
stable basin
🤔
jolly sluice
I will attempt it if I'm finally in a consistent static and don't need to look around for a group
after doing Alexander ultimate of course, because he is the best
fringe granite
Gaki savages aren't so I doubt ultimates will be either
glossy musk
Ultimates absolutely won’t be, especially if they don’t let you unsync, which I doubt they will
Plus they could be level 100 and you’d still get fucked by mechanics
lyric summit
pretty sure that was a joke 
quick verge
funny joke
lyric summit
drk: warrior 2
wet stag
lyric summit
just wait till 5.05 everything gets fixed then
4.0 warrior used to have a self-esuna shake it off and switching stances halved your gauge
quick verge
and then the war mains cursed yoshida's dreams
boreal edge
is war also going to be weave everything in 10 secs? @wet stag
quick verge
flame nin when they don't hit trick correctly
lyric summit
suiton too complex tbh
extreme dps disparity
dream within a dream - assassinate ready - assassinate - trick ready - trick
when
quick verge
suiton > trick ready > meisui > bhava
lyric summit
can you eat suiton after using trick
quick verge
trick eats suiton
lyric summit
rip
ocean karma
I dunno if this is 'endgame', but based solely on what you all know now about job changes in SHB, which tank do you feel is the best choice for the fastest dungeon/roulette runs?
boreal edge
guess will be war and drk for now
ocean karma
Can you explain your reasoning?
lyric summit
probably cause of that 900pot war aoe
I feel like pld would be good too with confeitor
boreal edge
drk and war will have spammable aoe
pld might run out of mp if the dps is slow
and drop its aoe dps alot
idk about how gunbreaker will play out
unreal flax
Why would PLD run out of MP?
boreal edge
holy circle
unreal flax
Prominence restores MP and it combos off of Total Eclipse
unreal flax
Ye
ocean karma
They all seem to have an AoE combo that restores MP except GNB which has no need for MP, but has the combo finisher each time. In terms of self healing im not sure what to think. DRK lost their AoE healing, PLD probably doesnt wanna use Clemency now that they have Holy Circle, Nascent Glint(?) seems to only last a few seconds, but GNB does have that regen on a short CD.
lyric summit
self healing doesn't matter tho
slim wren
atonement weaving? I just woke up and I am lost
boreal edge
u get 3 stacks of sword oath
as u finish royal authority combo
so u weave 3 atonements before next royal authority
assuming pld rot is still same
unreal flax
Atonement is on the GCD, isn't it? Wouldn't it just function as a triple-Cleave sort of situation before you refresh Goring again?
scenic patrol
I am quite sure atonement is a GCD
Also Warrior will remain best dungeon tank
IR is a heck of a drug
quick verge
pld rotation
fast blade > riot blade > goring blade > fast blade > riot blade > royal authority > atonement x3 > fast blade > riot blade > goring
unreal flax
That's what I was thinking
Wait hahaha. Confiteor is on the GCD??? Lmao 800 Potency AoE with no dropoff being buffed by Requiescat due to being required lmao. This is great.
Oh wait, it's okay. I missed the last line. It's an ender, not spammable
Whew
fossil basalt
yeah it ends Req when you cast confit
unreal flax
I was reading it like, "HOW CAN ANYTHING COMPETE WITH THIS!? ON THE GCD?"
But, then I went back to the tooltip and realized my mistake
blissful valley
Hit 70 on my first job, should I work on a set of lost allegan 330 or is there other equips that I should be grinding for? Sitting around i295
fossil basalt
the roulettes should be giving you Mendacity tomes
use that to get 360 gear
i wouldn't bother with Lost Allagan unless you have most of the seals you need for it already
or just need something to do while waiting in queue
blissful valley
Just bought enough to qualify for shinryu 😅
fossil basalt
noice
valid swift
If you've got money to throw around market board iLvl 380 HQ
Which with some Mendacity trade ins can get you iLvl 390
Which is decent enough to get you through most of omega to hit the iLvl 400s and such (or you can slowly pick up genesis iLvl 390 gear that can be upgraded by a certain amount of centurion seal trade in items)
blissful valley
I'm sitting on about 5mil since I never bought anything so that should be enough for a set (?) Or at least fill out what I dont pick up over the next few days
valid swift
That'd be enough for a full set tbh
Depends on your server's market
Basically check the MB for your character and each equipment slot and it'll be at the very top. You'll want HQ.
blissful valley
What does qual do for me? Just raw stats?
valid swift
HQ has higher stats than NQ
Also gives you the straight upgrade path to 390 HQ (Assuming you have Mendacity around for the other required item
blissful valley
Well thanks for the help fellas, I'll figure all this out eventually.
valid swift
Getting through daily roulettes and Lvl 70 dungeon runs to pick up Mendacity will at least get you to 360
Also depending how far you are in stormblood main quest, the very last dungeon drops iLvl 375 gear
valid swift
I mean, by 70 you should have a somewhat reasonable gil making plan going on
Makes things easier
stable basin
gil kinda just accumulates unless you raid a lot
and if you do raid a lot just flip materia on odd patches or run deep dungeons a bit to set you up for a tier
valid swift
Honestly I just do the stormblood A packs that hit my DC servers here and there and flip materia from the cluster drops
Then you've got static gil from roulettes and weekly logs
Then I use leaves for crafting (mostly just burn gil on crafting foods and all mats are pretty much self made) so some money comes back from that as well
late beacon
Do you guys think gathering is viable for making Gil? I've got my MIN at almost 65 but I feel like the Gil generation with it is lame. I'm curious of whether I'm just not doing something right
quick verge
it is
late beacon
What's the best way to about making gil with them? I know you need to just mine the right items, but how do you find out what those items are?
quick verge
farming and selling duskglow aethersand rn
can also look at the mb on your server for what sells nicely
it's the end of the expac, so you won't make absurd amounts
late beacon
So, really, I should just get up to 70 and then get my gear score as high as I can in preparation for SHB?
quick verge
get to 70, get landking gear and wait for shb yeah
unreal flax
p.much, ye
valid swift
Check crafter leve recipies
See what mats they require
Bonus if it requires 3 or so of the mat
Another option is shards/crystals but you have to constantly keep checking prices because they can fluctuate pretty insane
late beacon
Lately I've found myself checking prices on a lot of things. Seems a lot of the stuff I've been selling has been fluctuating pretty decently.
Do you guys know if there's an API for accessing data to the MB for each server?
Nevermind, XIVDB has data
Think I might build myself a little tool
stable basin
We got Ultima to 100 aether before suppression
He just did suppression instead of enrage though, was kinda disappointed
quick verge
what the hell
simple sky
@stable basin where is that picture of your time paradox
stable basin
simple sky
ty
unreal flax
If I'm understanding this, I believe, he had -468HP when he used Living Dead. Is that right?
earnest badger
Anyone got numbers or a link to numbers comparing healer dps potency/sec and oGCD healing/min? So far I got WHM destroying the other healers in personal dps even with using the lily system and SCH highest ogcd healing/min followed by WHM? Ast in a ruff spot by my calculations
blazing pelican
Yeah that's normal
WHM has always been king of DPS, SCH gets the off globals, and AST gets the low personal DPS due to outgoing DPS buffs
stable basin
yeah the O means overkill
last olive
im unsure if i should go here or #questions-and-help ,but. any tips for the MSQ "The Will of The Moon" for a scholar? im iLVL 343 and im struggling to meet the meteor DPS check
torn kindle
What's your weapon item level?
torn kindle
It's starting to be low for the story.
torn kindle
Either the i380 HQ Rakshasa weapon off the marketboard if it's cheap enough for you (check the other servers on your datacenter too for cheapest prices) or the Mendacity weapon for 1000 mendacity + 4 Sigmascape v4.0 clears + a clear of Rabanastre and Ridorana to upgrade it to i370
The Rakshasa weapon can also be upgraded to i390 with tokens bought with mendacity
last olive
hmmm... i havent exactly been saving up, but i think i couldve gotten the rakshasa one off the MB if i had the money. any way to get a quick-ish 300k if im not doing crafter classes (yet)
torn kindle
You could try to get lucky by doing gazelleskin maps with a group
last olive
ohhh, noted. ill try
i might see if augumenting my gear will help, since most of it is all lost allagan
earnest badger
@blazing pelican it's normal but I'm saying the media tour potencices has WHM so far ahead that WHM can afford to gcd heal several times over SCH and AST and still be competitive RAID dps-wise. Run a few short 90 to 3min scenarios which could be extrapolated into a 9-10 fight. I ran 60, 90 and 3min full uptime scenarios and I had WHM winning in RAID dps by a mile WHILE having the WHM cast healing gcds and sch/ast did not....(and factoring in perfect cards and 6% dmg up chain strat).
thorn bear
potencies are subject to change and there is a chance that they aren't even similar to how they are calculated now
thorn bear
a video showing war doing IR fell cleaves showed them doing 23k which is like several thousand less than i get now lol
so who knows what's up
thorn bear
!action Heavy Swing
storm frostBOT
thorn bear
!action Kasha
storm frostBOT
thorn bear
I picked the wrong skill but a friend of mine did this constantly
where he would complain monk had low potencies
so that meant it sucked
boreal edge
mnk need hundred of fists
formal laurel
Not only does it go fast but it has an innate 40 percent damage increase between gl3 and fists of fire
So all those potencies are 40 percent higher in effect
Did you tell your friend they had smol brain disease
valid swift
Monk goes fast ||when almost every boss mechanic isn't messing with their greased lightning stacks||
jolly sluice
I might actually try MNK now. Losing stacks was always very stressful to me.
hazy crypt
Aaay.
slim wren
What are people doing to get ready for ShB insofar as crafting/gathering?
boreal edge
get 2000 V materia
and 500 VI materia
have 4000 useless VIs for goblin
to get those VIIs
and VIIIs
hazy crypt
How many DPS skills did Scholar lose?
boreal edge
all of em
hazy crypt
I need a number if you don't mind.
hazy crypt
Ok. Thanks.
boreal edge
idk if bane count as dps skill or not
so we can say 5
since it work with dots
bane is pointless without dots
slim wren
I am confused. What's the goal behind stockpiling materia?
I'm new to endgame gathering
tranquil acorn
What materia should I be using if I plan to share my gear between BLM/RDM/SMN 🤔
dull radish
level 70? Savage/hydatos gear available to you, or no?
tranquil acorn
level 70, got a mix of scaevan / the mendacity gear / ilvl375 from ghimlyt
boreal edge
@slim wren prep for lv80 melds
slim wren
Okay. Does the actual type of materia matter at all, or will just any do?
boreal edge
no
dull radish
@tranquil acorn yeah it's mostly whatever then. SMN/RDM likes to minimize sps but unless you stack a bunch they're still pretty fine (RDM moreso than SMN). BLM functions at just about any sps, though you lose a big point of flexibility if you're below ~1k.
But especially with you looking to replace various pieces with higher ilvl stuff I wouldn't worry too much about it (I'd personally only meld the scaevan stuff, particularly if it's upgraded). And just toss crit or whatever on there, probably dh where you can't. You could min-max past that but it's not super worthwhile at this point
dull radish
sure does. You can try to remove the materia before an upgrade, but with higher grade materia it's not guaranteed retrieval
fossil basalt
the game will usually warn you if you're losing gear with materia attached to it
make sure to at least try to retrieve it
steep iris
too much effort to retrieve it
clever cypress
Oh damn
valid swift
If you go full in on the hunt cracked clusters pop up like mad
glass trellis
Eureka
loud sable
Hmm quick question as an off-tank on o4s. When am I supposed to taunt to not have the main tank eat both dual thunder casts ?
loud sable
Thank you o/
glossy musk
If you’re doing o4s you generally never do, just have the tank invuln
Only time you’ll taunt is prior to earthshaker unless you have a PLD to cover them
stable basin
real men just cd the dualcast thunder in door
fossil basalt
i dunno if anyone has mentioned this but i appreciate how Nascent Flash is basically just sneakily giving Bloodbath back to WAR
paper solstice
so the new drk knight rotation theory for single target is 1,2,3 and oGCD/delirium when they are up? I assume that the new "shadow skill with 3k mp" is our new dark art but less spammy?
stable basin
The prospective optimized shb rotation is cancerous
you double weave for all of trick window and then press literally like 1 ogcd outside it
plus mitigation stuff ofc
glossy musk
Dark Arts is now tied to your TBN breaking and gives you a free ability use
paper solstice
I'm waiting to find out more info on your level 80 clone, the tooltip doesn't give a potency number unlike the machinist robot
"our"
stable basin
scenic patrol
TBN popping is just returning EoE for you you
overall DPS neutral
unless you save that DA for raid buffs
so that you have 13K potential mana
fading shoal
has there EVER been a fight where you would wanna use the phys ranged lb over the caster lb? 
steady pebble
I think..o3s ranged was slightly better? but not 100% sure
fading shoal
pretty sure a caster LB3 reached both adds on o3s
in fact it even had the advantage of being able to pre-cast it
steady pebble
you can get all adds with ranged lb3
fading shoal
ye same with caster lb3
and it also does more dmg
and you dont need a target for it so you can pre-cast it in anticipation for the adds spawning
steady pebble
ranged lb3 iirc is slightly faster animation than caster
but in general, ranged is more "niche"
fading shoal
cuz i was trying to think was there ever a time where adds are lined up in a way that only a ranged lb3 would hit em all
stable basin
I've seen someone snipe two clouds before the barriers went up in cloud of darkness
steady pebble
hrm
Caster lb3 is better there
cos you should be able to get all of them
but i think ranged lb3 would be "safer" catching 2
fading shoal
quick verge
common pug strat in o7s was to caster lb biblio and guardian
steady pebble
question was if there was an instance where ranged lb > caster lb
supple sail
Ranged LB covers longer distance
there have been a few fights where that made it necessary.
it also casts faster
and there have been times where that made it work out so that a BLM having to interrupt their rotation for LB
was a bigger dps loss than having the BRD do it
'cause the BLM could do more DPS during the LB cast time than the difference between the ranged and magic LB3s.
untold oyster
I’m pretty sure you range lb’d in a1s
boreal edge
the only fight where ranger LB mattered was A5S
the mice and ahriman goblins
ahriman goblins dont move as they have range of a sniper goblin so only ranger LB can hit both of em alot with the mice and boss
caster LB doesnt cover both of em
supple sail
A1S was also a thing yes
dull radish
Mice and goblins haha. Usually referred to as pigs (yorn pigs, specifically) and snipers. If you had LB3 you'd usually caster LB, if LB2 you'd use ranged LB.
With BLM you usually really want to push for ranged LB where possible unless you really need the caster one. Ranged LB in A1S was the only place where it was strictly most common though yeah
boreal edge
my A1S clears were with caster LB3
dull radish
There were times where it was safer to ranged LB instead of caster, too, like for biblio
boreal edge
it hit both
dull radish
Yes, LB3 it does
boreal edge
as long you are careful with tether
dull radish
LB2 you do not
You picked a corner and nuked that sniper + pigs if you used caster LB2, and burned down the other sniper
Oh, you said 1s
Yeah, it hits, but you had to reposition and it was a pain and a bit dangerous
boreal edge
and dont remind me if bilbio
dull radish
So that's why ranged was more common
steady pebble
he did also mention a5s
delicate yacht
jolly sluice
step aside, weakling.
dull radish
Oh I realize I said biblio add earlier but I actually meant the apanda from O3S
dull radish
yeah you'd LB ninjas if you got there or end the fight on them for super pad, but most ideally you'd be clearing a good bit before them anyways
stable basin
whats a ruby dragon oof
lyric summit
some rare fish apparently
stable basin
why not a minion reee
cold ember
u get a free lb3 for doing animal farm properly.So in prog we can lb apanda
dull radish
well in general it was just a good idea to LB apanda
even post-prog
just, caster LB was a bit tight/annoying timing-wise with mechanics, so ranged LB was a bit safer there instead
stable basin
@torpid wolf i got ice cream 
torpid wolf
stable basin
never
its too hot to share today
infact time to make a real ice cold coffee to go along with it
dull radish
wrong channel?
stable basin
wrong channel of wat pepega
dull radish
this channel is specifically for endgame chat for FFXIV. If it's not about that, it doesn't belong in this channel
paper solstice
what's the theory on machinist new rotation?
fossil basalt
Pros: Cleaner, simpler rotation
Mech looks fun
Gauss barrel is gone, Overheat makes sense
Wildfire doesn't completely overwhelm everything
Cons: Ammo is gone, some people liked that
Buffs, oGCDs line up weird with Trick Attack
simple sky
cons: Lag hurts more somehow
fossil basalt
it's funny but i've seen several different people say that the new rotations will be bad/difficult/inconsistent because they don't line up nicely with trick attack
like maybe it's not the new rotations that are the problem 🤔
thorn bear
People define rotations around when trick can be best utilized by everyone
fringe granite
Maybe that definition needs to change
thorn bear
When trick isnt insane sure
fringe granite
The quality of your rotation shouldn't be defined by one skill that may not even be yours
thorn bear
U can-do whatever rotation u want my guy
If ur rotation doesn't make the best out of raid buffs like trick then ur rotation might be whack 👀
quick verge
are u implying that spamming jolt isn't optimal
fringe granite
Yes Biscuit
fossil basalt
i get that optimized rotations take other classes' buffs into account
but when multiple jobs across multiple expansions are considered to have sub-par play because they don't play nice with a single ability on a single class
that ability is the problem
simple sky
your rotation can change to take advantage of what skills you do have available
in general trick is the highest reward
🤷
paper solstice
don't have to worry about trick window if you don't have ninja in party 👌
glossy musk
Exactly. Trick is extremely powerful, hence why it's catered around
stable basin
I found it kinda funny when I started that everyone goes nuts over such a small buff
paper solstice
dev last note said they wanted to decrease synergy, but still kept trick in the game
stable basin
It's pretty big by the game's standards but +10% for 10 seconds of every minute is ~1.7%
ofc it lines up with burst combos and such so it's more than that in practice
onyx lagoon
It's a bit more than that because you align bursts with it and specifically spoonfeed it the majority if your potency
yeh
blazing pelican
A lot of people's burst is on some kind of "multiple of 30s" timer. Makes sense for things to revolve around the biggest damage increase.
stable basin
yeah I think people point fingers at trick specifically a bit unfairly
Drifting out of trick is just shorthand for drifting out of trick, chain, litany, battle voice, etc
unreal flax
You wanna fuck up party synergy, just give every job random odd number timers on everything. No more multiples of 5. 103 seconds. 84 seconds. 66 seconds. etc.
fringe granite
Brit PLD burst is 12s
unreal flax
That's okay. Make FoF a 66s cooldown and make Requiescat a 71 second cooldown.
All you have to do is make sure that the numbers are shuffled about for every job lol.
For example, Trick could be on a 63s CD. If you do that, FoF would start with three seconds overlap and just drift further and further apart as the fight continues.
You end up in a situation where one or more people has to decide to either just push things on CD or hold things for indeterminate amounts of time to try to overlap
lunar hollow
They could do the WoW thing and just
Give other classes a TA-like ability that can't overlap
glossy musk
too hard they'll just remove it
heavy mist
or just do what it seems like they are doing for some classes which just put more power on the GCD
plucky raptor
Think DNC will have problems with Latency like Ninja?
It lacks a bunny effect for messing up, but what happens if you click things out of order?
plucky raptor
Oh cool, thanks!
Going off the vids was not as clear
Saw the button mashing and was like "That might not be a good ride."
torn kindle
And according to theorycrafting, Dancer may benefit from very little skill speed to avoid losing GCDs due to your dance activator skills
ocean forge
Red Mage is slightly underpower
also.. imo... Red Mage is kinda less interesting to play compared to SMN/BLM
BLM have simpler rotation, but I find it to be more satisfying
runic swan
oh so how do ppl keep track of who does the most dps? is it all based on theory crafting from rotations?
ah fair enough
polar iron
@runic swan the thing with BLM and SAM is that a lot of people who play them, can't play them so ppl tend to kinda avoid them (?)
ocean forge
parser
bad players are more pronounced with popular / fancy jobs
cuz more player picked them = more bad players in the mix
runic swan
oh, so ppl do use parsers for measuring dps?
ocean forge
yeah
glass trellis
As BLM and SAM lack any "valuble" utility so to speak of, thier utility is thier huge damage, however if you are unable to push out this huge damage they are imidetly worse than jobs with party buffs
runic swan
yeah, thats fair
ocean forge
that said
runic swan
i do like that dps classes have utility
runic swan
yeah, of course
ocean forge
they just can't reach the same height as BLM/SAM
glass trellis
^
ocean forge
some even said a bad NIN is still better as long as they can do Trick Attack on cooldown
that just upsets me tbh
runic swan
i guess it depends on the difficulty of the content being done?
glass trellis
Yeah in progression red mage has more value due to it being able to insta res people every 3 seconds
runic swan
oh, thats busted XD
glass trellis
But once you have a fight on farm, basicly all meta comps boils down to "how fast can we kill this"
runic swan
y dont they do they wow thing and limit res?
ocean forge
being able to survive longer = being able to see 1 more mechanics / read a debuff
polar iron
thats just how XIV works, mechanics are fast and unforgiving but you get more rez
ocean forge
yeah.. by draining your MP
glass trellis
We have ressurection sickness and hard enrage timers
Die to much = you won't be able to hit enrage timer
ocean forge
if a fight needs 4-6 res, chances are you won't clear it anyway
runic swan
ah ok
glass trellis
Also FFXIV have a lot more one shoot mechanics compared to WoW (Wotlk)
trail eagle
Does Healer LB 3 Give Weakness too?
runic swan
so its balanced for multiple res
ocean forge
no
glass trellis
No
ocean forge
it doesn't Klok
trail eagle
good to know 😃
glass trellis
Yeah
ocean forge
from 1 dead DPS to 1 dead healer to a dead MT
then the boss tankbuster another healer
glass trellis
Which is why I love the Primal fights
polar iron
i didnt see the summer glasses on mogstation btw
glass trellis
They are predictible, but can be brutal with mistakes
runic swan
yeah the primal fights are cool
glass trellis
Music
runic swan
oh, so is there a prepatch period for us to play the new classes before the expac drops?
glass trellis
No
runic swan
ah
glass trellis
If you preorder you get into game 4days early
glass trellis
asuming there is no server issues, which I don't think there will be as we had a data center split
ocean forge
the official launch is July 2nd...
polar iron
gunbreaker and dancer start at 60 yh
polar iron
limsa iirc
glass trellis
New jobs start in "old world" as they want us to be able to unlock it and play the new content as these new jobs should we so diseire
ocean forge
yeah... they did it differently in HW, and people didn't like it
runic swan
so what does early access really mean? cause who wouldnt have already preordered the game or at least bought it before the 2nd if they know about the early access?
it just seems a bit odd
ocean forge
it literally is early access
@torn kindle
if a player hasn't clear Stormblood fully
polar iron
if you pre-order, you get to play earlier than folk who buy it after its released
glass trellis
Also for the players whom are not at max level
ocean forge
can they go for early access?
fossil turtle
Early Access is launch for pretty much all intents and purposes
torn kindle
Yeah they can use early access.
polar iron
you have to clear SB fully i think
wait really?
but you can't access new areas obviously?
ocean forge
it is literally early access
torn kindle
Early access, for all intents and purposes, is patch 5.0
fossil turtle
There's nothing that happens on July 2 other than you can't get the preorder earring anymore
runic swan
yeah, thats what i mean, i feel like u just dont get the earrings after the 2nd
glass trellis
I think it has to do with thier Q1/2/3/4 earnings
torn kindle
Yeah early access codes are invalid once the main release happens
which include the earrings
glass trellis
As the 2nd is Q3
runic swan
why dont they give us a week prior to launch to level the new classes?
if we preorder
polar iron
@torn kindle do you happen to know if the endless summer outfits are on mogstation? i didn't see them from a quick glance
torn kindle
They're not on the mog station yet, but most likely will be once this year's event is announced
polar iron
glass trellis
Yeah, in about 2 months
jolly sluice
Oh I love endless summer sunglasses
glass trellis
jolly sluice
the thick rims with the dark shade just exudes coolness
man is it really in august? I was hoping for july but I guess that's too close to eden raid
polar iron
ah shit here we go again
ocean forge
they can do those at the same time
seasonal events are usually pretty light in content
runic swan
oh, do the dog mounts drop from SB primals?
ocean forge
yes
runic swan
are the drop rates really low?
ocean forge
they are boosted
runic swan
ah ok
ocean forge
and even if you have the worst luck
jolly sluice
they can but square deliberately drip feeds and spreads content
runic swan
do they lower the drop rate with the new expac?
ocean forge
no
runic swan
ah, thats really nice XD
jolly sluice
they have no idea what they're doing
ocean forge
i don't care about WoW
jolly sluice
"Here's a new system where you level one unique weapon up"
"now let's completely scrap this interesting idea for the sake of doing something completely different instead of making it better"
runic swan
yeah, the endless and mindless grind of bfa made me quit
ocean forge
i personally don't mind the eureka system, but i wish it is easier to get into
jolly sluice
The worst thing about eureka was leveling. It should not take that long.
runic swan
what is the eureka system like?
jolly sluice
Pyros and Hydatos were good rates
runic swan
i havent gotten to them
rapid sapphire
I just wish the eureka carrots (mounts, weapon prog) were more engaging than the feeling of the stick (the grind)
runic swan
so i dont know what they do
jolly sluice
imagine if they took away all your progress and you had to start all over with a more gruesome and punishing environment and your only way to level up is fates
runic swan
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
ocean forge
i don't mind it really
jolly sluice
I don't mind it overall either but those exp rates are not acceptable
and you should not have to unlock using mounts again
runic swan
so u have to relevel in the zones?
ocean forge
i hate the mount locking
glass trellis
I remember when we did not auto dismount when talking to NPC...
runic swan
oh u cant use mounts?
rapid sapphire
eureka is basically diadem crossed with palace of the dead/HoH. only there was more variety of things to do in diadem than eureka (killing a mob type to spawn a nm, killing a mob type so it mutates, and scumbag bunnies)
not until you're basically done with an eureka zone
jolly sluice
yeah I liked diadem much more because you could gather in it. The successor to eureka in 5.0 should involve crafters and gatherers somehow. Hamlet defense, anyone?
runic swan
wait, momoru, since u seem to know wow, is it like bfa systems?
with the leveling of ur necklace and what not?
jolly sluice
I didn't play bfa much. progression at max level instantly killed my interest
oh that
no, thankfully nothing that awful
runic swan
ok, cool
is it worth playing at this point, or just wait til the expac drops and level classes?
playing eureka content i mean
jolly sluice
honestly not worth it imo unless you want the story, which I personally enjoyed
the final dungeon is pretty neat too if you can get a party together
polar iron
@glass trellis the fights ok but i dont like it that much anymore D:
glass trellis
🇫
rapid sapphire
if you want to be ready for early server crash running out the gate it's worth getting a main to i390 but otherwise ther's not really much to do at the moment. edit: didn't see the eureka part. in that case no I don't suggest going into eureka unless you can get lucky with the t-rex mont from anemos on off time
runic swan
does it pick up? i didnt personally care too much for SB leveling story, but that might just be me. i really enjoyed HW story, though
ok cool
ocean forge
what's that, Frost?
runic swan
oh and whats the dungeon?
ocean forge
Seiryu / Tsuku totem?
glass trellis
SB story sufferd from being devided into 2 parts, you had Kugane story and Ala migho story line
jolly sluice
I am going to get past the server crash. I will be ahead of the game. I will beat the final boss and then help my tomodachi clear it
glass trellis
HW was one and the same story
ocean forge
one of these day, i hope that FFXIV will tackle a rashomon like story
runic swan
yeah, the kugane parts seemed slow
ocean forge
just to see how mad they can go
ocean forge
i got the dog at ... i want to say 30+ run
then i still gonna farm seiryu more cuz I needed the weapon
lol
glass trellis
I got dog before my weapon
rapid sapphire
I still need to work on dogs (any of them) 
rapid sapphire
I keep on putting it off since my pf luck is either faceroll easy or pure suffering no matter how much effort I try to put into it
ocean forge
: 40+ totems, got seiryu dog with a 65
checked my history
there
i didn't expect to get the dog, yet i did
rapid sapphire
depends on the content but if you can comfortably farm seuryu dps wise you can probably do anything (unless you're me and can't do sukazu simon says if your life depended on it)
ocean forge
suzaku simon says are easy
runic swan
oh, it doesnt require extreme fights?
ocean forge
it does
rapid sapphire
dogs only drop in the ex versions
runic swan
oh, but ilvl isnt a huge factor?
ocean forge
for the 12341234 pattern, you stand on 4 to wait for 1 to explode, then you stand on 1 to wait for 4 to explode
it is
glass trellis
It's kinda a thing
ocean forge
there is a ilvl requirement
glass trellis
Like you can do the easy primals with iLvl 330 gear
But no one will want to take you in thier party
ocean forge
you kinda have to hit it sometimes because you won't survived some of the unavoidable damage if you don't
runic swan
yeah, thats fair
ocean forge
for the 12344321 pattern, just wait in 3 or 4 and move into 1, wait for 3/4 to explode twice then move back into them
voila
rapid sapphire
for something like no stack Byakko yeah you need beefy mcbeef item level to mitigate but otherwise it's just a matter of a dps check (to complete or skip something)
ocean forge
byakko/susano is the easiest to get your feet wet
cuz there is not a lot of one shot (or just none)
Byakko is doable with 1 tank 1 healer and 6 DPS
but the tank and healer need to be very on point
runic swan
what ilvl would u recommend for a tank?
rapid sapphire
lakshimi is ok but depends on if the side tank isn't facerolling the keyboard (for cleave attack)
glass trellis
For Suzaku I don't have any patterns remembed, I just look on bird and move between 2 colors
glass trellis
Like you don't need to do whole laps around the boss
ocean forge
lol
cold ember
my latency prevents that
ocean forge
that's what I did at the beginning, then i found my current ways
i play at 150-250 ms
glass trellis
🇫
ocean forge
i think my method is more consisteny
cold ember
i still get hit dodging into safe spot D:
glass trellis
Titan EX before EU data center
ocean forge
you just need to have the ball to move into a zone right before it explodes
cold ember
ill try that
rapid sapphire
my brain lag prevents that (processing when the game snapshots when the bird touches the color portion and when the animation goes off in the middle of a symbol)
cold ember
yeah i dont react till the animation pops out XD
ocean forge
yeah.... 12341234 pattern
- stay on 4
- 1 explode, you move into 1
- move into 4 right as it explode
- stay on 4
- 1 explode, you move into 1 again
- done
glass trellis
^ To much galaxy brain for me
rapid sapphire
I know of 4141 and 4114. it's just me that sucks 😐
glass trellis
<---PLD tank btw
ocean forge
move into 4 right as it explode
for this one, you can get the timing by looking at 3, once 3 subsides, you can move into 4, just practice a few times and you will get the timing right
the timing is the hard part
what i found funny is how people do the forced walk + simon says
they stayed on 1/2
i dunno why they think it is okay.. i suppose eating a vuln stack is better than walking off a platform
rapid sapphire
I found forced march easy but I don't know. at least the vuln stack drops faster than death debuff
polar iron
yeah i looked at a suzaku guide by mizzteq and she said smth about just going around the platform, once i observed a bit and just switched between 2 platforms in front of suzaku my DPS went up a LOT
lol
ocean forge
i don't like the going round method
just weave it
the explosion circle is faster than your sprinting
so if your sprinting line isn't tight
it will catch up with you
rapid sapphire
ditto (mostly since I attempted to clear as caster so being greedy and doing mechanics was galaxy brain)
polar iron
yeah i realised that
ocean forge
the 4141 method just need you to risk it once, scary at first
polar iron
i have good latency anyway so i can stretch casts and movement to the last second
ocean forge
but beats running around like a mad man
polar iron
yeah
ocean forge
THAT explains why so many people in clear party tried to run it
they watched mtq's vid
TIL
polar iron
yeah she should edit the video lol
or just refilm that one mechanic, not even that much of a job
ocean forge
that's why I sometime like MrHappy's video
rapid sapphire
could say that about most of the near release guides
ocean forge
cuz sometime he explains alternative
polar iron
the one where one platform explodes twice, she explains that in a decent manner, but the merry go-round is stupid
rapid sapphire
(like o12s unreal versus unreal uptime strat or o11s na vs jp fists)
ocean forge
you need to run to close to the middle hole, and it just mess with casters
to this day
i still have healers in farm party who didn't actually understand how Seiryu's double beam work
they just stick with the guide and the marker
polar iron
i've noticed with seiryu that theres so many different ways people do it
ocean forge
i actually think that the best way is to just put the 1/2 markers on north and south
polar iron
one party just failed because "C and D were the other way im used to" just look at the damn markers
ocean forge
i almost never orient myself based on the letter
ocean forge
bit of both
polar iron
on suzaku if you run as caster you have to face her when you cast because otherwise you might take a few steps towards her and fall
on seiryu you mean when the big boi is slamming?
ocean forge
i don't know that about suzaku
cuz I have drop the running on day 2
i just think real hard about the pattern, and figure out the 4141 method myself
polar iron
oh
i did what mizzteq told and then i realized im the only one running, everyones staying in 1 place
so i tried that and was like hory shet
i just hop between the yellow and blue platforms
ocean forge
right?
polar iron
but i have good latency so it might not be for everyone
ocean forge
running is so risky
polar iron
yeah and especially as BLM its dumb
ocean forge
BLM gonna love the 4141
i also want to talk about the bird rez
some DPS just over think it
polar iron
on seiryu when the fucker keeps slamming down i usually place ley lines in the middle, if you slidecast inside them you can move between the edges of your LL and not get hit
ocean forge
oh yeah
that's what I did too
just don't base it on seiryu
i had a few tanks that over did their positioning
polar iron
also wtf, my current partys DPS' on seiryu: brd, nin, drg, blm (me)
ocean forge
instead of elegantly swerving left and right
ocean forge
if I play tank on seiryu, i sometime request the other tank to let me MT in part 2
so I can "cheese" seiryu during the pushback -> snake -> double beam
cuz I stopped trusting my healers to actually understand how to do it right
polar iron
yeah lol healers sometimes run so stupid in that one
ocean forge
seiryu is too far on the west/east
glass trellis
The problem is that they hard anchor to the mark
ocean forge
let me stand on 1 or 2
glass trellis
They don't adjust
ocean forge
and eat 2 beam
polar iron
i prefer when the other healer just goes behind him so i can AM to the healer
instead of having to follow them while they zigzag and miss casts
ocean forge
yeah, that shows that they don't understand how the double beam works
1 beam is okay, but it gives magic vuln
so that's why 2 beams kill ya
glass trellis
Prime example of not understanding mechanics and just doing what you are told
ocean forge
i stopped trying to teach and just use my tank to keep seiryu between 1 and 2
and yet
once in a while
polar iron
im fine with it if they anchor to the marker but for le love of god get some distance from it because theres always fools who go too close to seiryu and get hit twice
ocean forge
you will get a healer that forgot they are supposed to go to 2
even when they have a huge ass 2 marked on them
polar iron
lol
polar iron
a lot of tanks do not keep him in the center
polar iron
the past few days tanks have been putting him to the edge of the arena which is super annoying in serpent ascending(or descending?)
theres aoe markers all over the fucking shop
ocean forge
not gonna bother to check if my healers knows how to do it right
OMG
seriously... just wait for seiryu to move back
you will lose 1 GCD
it doesn't matter
it is a tank's GCD
polar iron
yh
polar iron
well, im not that familiar with tanking yet, only at lvl49 with DRK
ocean forge
tanking Seiryu way south
polar iron
lol
ocean forge
and made everyone run extra distance for the Serpent acsending mechanics
thankfully, no one accidentally placed a bad AOE inside the tower and kill other player
polar iron
yeah in a few runs earlier i had to do a damn victory lap aswell to get to my place
ocean forge
it could have happened because we were so close to the south edge
polar iron
i think this happened earlier:
im assigned to C
seiryu is being tanked at C
AoEs all over C
i get aoe marker
someone comes between A and C with me as well when they should be somewhere else
thats a tight ass spot
ocean forge
tsukuyomi
A and C
omg
i might have seen all the possible ways to do meteor wrong
polar iron
I havent done tsuku yet , i tend to focus 1 farm at a time
But i'll probably see that lol
rapid sapphire
dps screwing up meteor is probably why I haven't cleared bun buns yet 😐
then again I've seen where melee dps would greed in the "healer only" area (during spear) and wonder why they went riparooni or gibbed the healers (us) when it was them who were targeted for the aoe
glass trellis
Meteor part is the messy thing with Tsukuyomi
Almost everything other than that can boil down to, keep your default positions. If something new comes up. Just follow the marked guy who knows what he is doing
ocean forge
i have a healer today who insisted to stay on the west side of Tsukuyomi during the meteor phase + spear nightfall
Tsukuyomi was on the west side both time
jolly sluice
well why didn't you enable them then get the clear so they could take the loot and leave?
ocean forge
hear me out
only when the healer is marked
they would run from west to east through Tsukuyomi to do the mechanics
they die both time cuz they ate a cone from the DPS side
then a cone for themselves
we manage to clear cuz we got lucky eventually and the game picked the other healer, who had been waiting on the other side to start running
thankfully, my co-tank did their part perfectly every time, so we always have a safe spot
boreal edge
im more surprised that the run kept going despite the shitshow
severe notch
2% enrage too
glass trellis
Give NIN teleport 30sec CD?
unreal flax
Why do this?
lyric summit
it resets on a raiton anyways
dull radish
every so often I have to go about convincing someone that that no movement skill is like a teleport, it's a bit of a pain
smoky veldt
quick verge
lowering shukuchi cd wouldn't matter much anyway
just learn to greed without a crutch
glass trellis
simple sky
lol
I find that people only tell PLD/DRKs to use tank stance
WAR they are just like "whatever"
fossil basalt
everyone knows not to stop the Blue DPS train when the conductor's swinging an axe
valid swift
Wonder why Contagion isn't in there for SMN
Thou;gh, that's magic damage up so kind of depends on party comp
quick verge
contagion doesn't exist anymore
valid swift
They pulled it in 5.x?
supple nymph
valid swift
Oh right I remember them talking about consolidation in the live letter or something. Pet hotbar goes away and you just have your pet action something or another
proud otter
At what level can one use the party finder for dungeons etc ?
and is it hard to level as a healer ?
unreal flax
This is the wrong room for that sort of question, but to answer it: You unlock the Party Finder at around level 15 or 16. And it's really, really easy, but your first couple dozen levels will be a bit stressful as you get used to how healing works.
unreal flax
It's gone now, apparently. When I click on it, it says it's been deleted
fossil basalt
rip chart
mossy sorrel
slim wren
GNB is going to be lit.
And if there isn't a griever reference I will be surprised and sad
livid nymph
Anyone up on [Light] to help me with shin? Last doggo to get D:
ocean forge
i am very interested in GNB's burst phase
i genuinely want to see if skill speed actually improves it
scenic patrol
In regards to what?
glossy musk
@boreal edge someone already deleted the pic lol
Try opening it without the cached pic and it’s gonezo
scenic patrol
Good thing I have the cache still
mint kite
can you post a copy?
quick verge
mint kite
ty
glossy musk
Thanks boo
slim wren
What total perception should I be trying to hit as a 70 MIN?
thorn bear
rn it prob doesn't matter since expac is in like 2 minutes
just get scrip gear and i290 right side
slim wren
Okay. I just got my miner up to 70 (my BTN has been). I'm trying hard to not be broke anymore lol.
thorn bear
there's some lower level items that are good to grind for if u need some cash
||raw amber||
look up items for things like crafter job quests
valid swift
But yeah if you want to pick up legendary nodes for yellow scripts at a fairly decent count it's gonna be gil burn (unless you can craft)
Fisher needs something like 1300/1100 to have any chance at some of the more elusive king fishes in SB
Which is like, all crafted i340 with VI materia everywhere
- food buffs
turbid crypt
Quick question... How many people came in here to discuss Endgame spoilers last month? XD
magic sapphire
Any max level mch here?
lyric summit
sup
fossil basalt
heyo
boreal edge
@magic sapphire what is it?
last olive
is there a reccomended ILVL for A Requiem for Heroes
im struggling to DPS the 3 swords before the wipe
rapid sapphire
should be doable at 365-370 but 380-390 makes it pretty easy (*role dependent. healing is going to be easy mode and dps will depend on avoiding aoes)
since Ghimlyt Dark drops 375 if anything (assuming aren't getting a tome set and no gil/fc crafter for 380 crafted set)
last olive
i'm at, roughly... 366? iirc
rapid sapphire
hmm
boreal edge
@last olive whats your job
last olive
scholar
boreal edge
do u dps swords one by one
or you put dots in all of em?
since u should do the latter
dps check is low enough that u should have easiest time to do as sch
last olive
uhhh, i do it 1 by one
my dots are too slow for my to apply to all of them and them do meaningful damage
ocean forge
off the top of my head.. i wanna say that if it last for more than 3 GCD, then the dots are better
two of them
blazing pelican
Hey guys. With the launch of Shadowbringers, some of the pins in here are going to become irrelevant. On July 2nd, the official launch of Shadowbringers, the following pins will be removed: the O9-12S timelines, the UWU guide, and the Eureka map.
glossy musk
@blazing pelican UWU guide can probably be kept unless they confirm it's being removed or unsynced, since if it remains synced it remains something that people will need a guide for
Agreed on the others
lyric summit
you'll probably need a new guide too since strats will have to adjust to role skills being removed
scenic patrol
Not so sure about that depending on how they rework the dps/Healer accessories
Mitigation wise
blazing pelican
We'll see. I'll write up a post with the guides for both Ultimates, and update it as new ones come out @glossy musk
stable basin
Other media tour interviews confirmed they're keeping it synced and the MTQ interview confirmed they're making minor adjustments to keep them clearable
I'm interested to see what happens cause tanks with tank mastery and capped str for synced accessories would be actual gods
boreal edge
not really since you arent meant to MT em without tank stance
from SE view
but yeah it will be abit easier from tanks point of view compared to before
stable basin
+15% total str from accessories plus higher vit multiplier (I think) and 20% damage reduction gonna be nutty
boreal edge
u still melded STR to compensate
25 STR is more than 15+% extra str added in accs
so it will be closer to a nerf
since i340 accs
boreal edge
has 43? STR