Is this for ifrit puddles
#endgame-lounge
loud nymph
remote gate
they walk up the edge of the map with the Eruptions touching the nails, making them grow in size
yes
loud nymph
Yeah ok
you have p range and caster do it
or I guess if you're running double SMN
Both casters
rapid whale
yeaman i played 9 smile
remote gate
generally the caster is at 5 pm and they walk ccw while prange is at 7 pm and walks cw wise
rapid whale
hit each nail w/ 2 puddle or die
remote gate
they meet up at 12 and then break away. by that point south nails should be dead and north nails are close to death
then apple fritter hops away and it becomes florida weather for 2 seconds
boreal pumice
trance calyx?
boreal pumice
what would that even be
rapid whale
lmao
loud nymph
trance calyx?
Honestly I'd probably like the stupid iPad baby a lot more if he had a banging musical theme
boreal pumice
i mean his theme song is pretty good
craggy marsh
Inb4 Calyx gets benched as the lvl 103 trial
If it can happen to Zodiark it can happen to anyone
rapid whale
sorry the best we can do is standing on the side while you run thru a dungeon
remote gate
with text boxes??
rapid whale
nope just t posing
craggy marsh
I like how Doomtrain has such simple mechs but everyone loves it
boreal pumice
and yet everyone does the stupid brain dead strat just do the mech
undone tide
what the fuck
dapper zealot
mb I was looking at mpreg
torn kindle
shy obsidian
I like how Doomtrain has such simple mechs but everyone loves it
It’s just very unique compared to every other extreme trial
craggy marsh
Ye I love it
shy obsidian
I’m sad I’m not saving it for last
Means I’ll have to suffer with either Enuo or Necron… both I haven’t even cleared once yet
uncut pebble
mine
idk
i think vali and sphene are interchangeable but sphene as an overall fight is more interesting
thin fox
i think my opinio non zoraal ja was lower because i was comparing it both to valigarmanda (the much more flashy/interesting fight) and also to endwalker
cuz zoraal ja
feels like an endwalker fight
trim frost
the moving lines are probably the most interesting thing about zj
rest of the fight kinda whatever
torn kindle
Valigarmanda’s fire buster conal thing is so fucking cool
true beacon
I mean that whole mech flat out bumps it up a tier
dusk sky
Like I really love Necron conceptually and especially aesthetically but it’s funny how it really doles out to being a pinnacle of LP/Pairs slop
There’s a metaphor for the futility of life and it’s whether you have a LP first or Pairs first
clear plume
Off patch ex will never be as unique
trim epoch
queen raft
I still feel bad about not doing research before joining that party
oblique nova
why do people join fresh prog parties and then rq after 10-15 min
proven pivot
why do people join fresh prog parties and then rq after 10-15 min
Alt job probably
Or a helper with no patience
oblique nova
its always the healers too
tall field
Whats rq?
tall field
Off patch ex will never be as unique
Wild charge antics
Even valigarmanda has done it so yea
The only unique thing is hunts?
Which is uhh
tall field
idk
Doomtrain will always be S yea
I wish it didnt rely on sound fx to the point of making difficulty 9/10 if not and 5/10 with sound fx assistance
But thats my only complaint with ex6
oblique nova
i found enuo way more fun than doomtrain personally
tall field
Even hector guides said use the sound cues for intermission
And snaps
Atleast enuo doesnt rely on sound fx that much
You can visually see what he is upto
tall field
I barelynput sound fx in fights
Then i had no idea what is train doing
Especially intermission
mortal flower
Valigarmanda’s fire buster conal thing is so fucking cool
They can never make a better tank mech than mountainfire
tall field
Then i realized how much a difference sound fx did there
mortal flower
It's physically impossible
tall field
I like tankbusters that invuln cannot cheese tbh
oblique nova
enuo i had to actually pay attention and learn
tall field
Mountain fire was one
mortal flower
I like tankbusters that invuln cannot cheese tbh
ON GOD
tall field
Enuo has a flare ice ish tb but like
Thats nowhere close to vali
Ex2 warrior could invuln all the tbs
Ex3 was also eh meh
Zalenia was also meh
Necron... is invuln friendly
Train is too but train mechanically is why its S
mortal flower
Ex2 warrior could invuln all the tbs
EX2 was also broken on release
Not that it was challenging really
Heckin pool party to skip a mechanic
😭
tall field
enuo i had to actually pay attention and learn
If you r support yea
Dps also has things to do but iirc supports have a bit more to do
I wish solo add phase didnt melt in necron so fast
Ngl
Like i never used a single mitigation for tankbuster
Because add never got to use a tankbuster
craggy marsh
Off patch ex will never be as unique
It's funny cause like, SoS EX was honestly really cool despite it being an off savage patch EX
clear plume
People just liked the spectacle of the fight, mechanic wise it was garbage
It had nothing new to say that the story mode trial didn’t do already
craggy marsh
I guess ye
sullen minnow
No extremes but close enough 
tall field
It had nothing new to say that the story mode trial didn’t do already
Sos ex doesnt have the singular reason that makes sos normal hard no?
As in no party qte
Forcewipe if one fail
QTE is what makes sos normal to me painge
If there is a trial ive seen people leaving in dutyfinder
Sos comes 1st place to me especially when we wipe to the qte 2x or.more
sleek moon
Ex has an intermission phase during that
tall field
Oh how different is it
sleek moon
One that skill issue'd many people
tall field
I did sos unsynced so ig i only saw tank lb
tall field
One that skill issue'd many people
When unreal comes of it
sleek moon
Unreal always ends up being easier because you can use all the new shiny tools
sleek moon
Like healing shinryu ex is very different to healing unreal
tall field
The dive thing who?
sleek moon
And yeah a lot easier to skip phases in unreal
tall field
Mostly ariel blast tbh
I dont think ive seen skips before
We always had 3 akh morns
We always had adds phase
Despite killing every tail
sleek moon
We also got an increase of healing radius since sos ex, it removes another pain point of having to heal the people taking tethers to corners during intermission
tall field
It will still be better of an unreal
I hope devs keep it for 8.5
So we have that unreal for a long time
My worry is hades
Cutscene reasons
Ruby emerald diamond are fine
sullen minnow
We also got an increase of healing radius since sos ex, it removes another pain ...
They keep increasing the radius of earthly star and some mf will still manage to stand outside of it
sleek moon
They keep increasing the radius of earthly star and some mf will still manage to...
Speaking of, it took me until recently to learn that CU has two different radiuses
One for mit and one for regen
And one of them has a tiny radius
amber fable
Cu regen needs to be held for it
amber fable
Like channel it iirc
sullen minnow
WHY ARE THE RADIUSES DIFFERENT
amber fable
Nobody does that
sleek moon
You don't have to hold since both effects apply on activation
But the Regen is only 8y
amber fable
Oh okay
sullen minnow
Make a job based on Oracle from OC but if you fuck up your rotation you fucking explode
sleek moon
While the mit is 30y
My ast this tier just said he doesn't plan around people being close for the regen
So he just focuses on the mit
sleek moon
They just really wanted that blinding bubble to mean something ig
So they made it the regen
queen raft
I encountered what I think was a glitch earlier
old lintel
the real endgame is doing all the yellow quests
queen raft
In The Cloud Deck I died due to being launched off the platform. When my character appeared the boss jumped onto the platform and my character fell through the platform but the platform was still there
sleek moon
Is there a 4th channeled button?
flamethrower if you want to count offensive channels
tall field
If only we could channel for a while and continue
sleek moon
but flamethrower is very unique in also being 1s tick
tall field
Flamethrower: let me grab a cup of coffee
tall field
Evolved mch i wanna see flamethrower
amber fable
I dont remember
tall field
What they do to it
amber fable
Delete it
tall field
Phantom kick yea
sleek moon
i fell off with blu since they didnt add a second mount
dapper zealot
I fear him
tall field
Time to do unreal at reset again
rapid whale
y not reclear
rapid whale
I fear him
surely this is photoshop
amber fable
Lapin gino of ex
raven prawn
I fear him
hot rose
Anyone know which job/role has the least amount of raid gear as their BiS? Lol
Wait omg I think I can do BRD
thin tartan
tired egret
I fear him
Always fear those with the Namazu head yes yes
trim frost
mf said hooray
tepid briar
reclears can't do m10 bruh
least I got a funny number for m9
I was gonna get a 77 on m10 
thin tartan
partial logs are compared to the other runs that wiped at that point
not what you wouldve gotten if you cleared
tepid briar
partial logs are compared to the other runs that wiped at that point
ah didn't see, lemme check then
yeah probably would be like a 60
hmmm well whatever
rapid whale
novel garden
visual geyser
Endwalker
tulip anvil
endwalker bar none
visual geyser
Easily lol
loud nymph
Endwalker by a country mile
loud nymph
1500 tomes per step and nothing else
visual geyser
So it’s free as fuck
raven prawn
seriously? i have 2k allagan poetics lol
sullen minnow
So uh can someone maybe explain to me how to properly use pots during fights? I know that’s probably a dumb question to you all but I’m genuinely not experienced TT
visual geyser
Yea you will be able to finish the first step
loud nymph
the downside is they're pretty fucking ugly
zealous meteor
the downside is they're pretty fucking ugly
except for the FUCKING MONADO you get for gnb
loud nymph
So uh can someone maybe explain to me how to properly use pots during fights? I ...
you pot in the opener, then further pots generally depend on the fight
raven prawn
hey, so long as they fit with the royal knight glam im going for, im cool with that
zealous meteor
visual geyser
So uh can someone maybe explain to me how to properly use pots during fights? I ...
Usually during 2 minutes but it varies fight to fight
zealous meteor
hey, so long as they fit with the royal knight glam im going for, im cool with t...
they do not
MAYBE the first step fits
visual geyser
Pot in the opener and the second pot is kinda flexibile depending on what fight it is
loud nymph
Pots have a 4:30 cooldown so some fights you use opener -> 5 min -> 10 min
raven prawn
i just googled it. 14K TOMES! WTF
loud nymph
other fights you might hold the second pot for a 2 min burst, so you'd do like opener -> 6 min
tulip anvil
i just googled it. 14K TOMES! WTF
no
its actually 6k tomes for 1
not sure where you pulled 14k
visual geyser
There’s how many steps?
loud nymph
4
visual geyser
Also dude it’s poetics lol
loud nymph
so it's 6000 tomes
sullen minnow
I see
visual geyser
6000 poetics you’ll get without even noticing
raven prawn
not sure where you pulled 14k
Blame google AI lol, just looked it up in googles search bar and it said it would take a total of 13500 tomes lol
loud nymph
stop using Google AI
visual geyser
Google ai l o l.
sullen minnow
What pots does pct use..? And how many should I get ideally 
robust shoal
loud nymph
What pots does pct use..? And how many should I get ideally <a:KRSeulNervous:669...
You'd want grade 3 gemdraughts of intelligence for current content
visual geyser
You also dotn pot on fights you aren’t ready to clear generally
loud nymph
Generally speaking you use 2-3 per clear of a fight depending on the timings
visual geyser
Progging and using pots is usually a waste
loud nymph
also yeah there's no point in potting during prog
boreal pumice
You'd want grade 3 gemdraughts of intelligence for current content
arent we on grade 4 now
loud nymph
pot once you've seen enrage
loud nymph
arent we on grade 4 now
I don't think so?
sullen minnow
mhm okay! It’s for extremes but if it makes the fight easier I’ll use them Wonderbird mentioned pots so I wanted to grab some
boreal pumice
yh were on grade 4
tulip anvil
pots
loud nymph
I thought Gemdraught was new for DT and it was 1-2-3 for LHW/CW/HW
Is my memory faulty?
tall field
Yea grade 4 now
loud nymph
Guess so
robust shoal
1 at launch and then +1 per tier
sullen minnow
Generally I’ve never used pots so I’m a bit worried I’ll mess it up but I think it will be alright ^^ did the BiS food for pct change since I did ex1 I don’t know
loud nymph
because lol launch exs
robust shoal
but my 100 on zoraal ja
robust shoal
Generally I’ve never used pots so I’m a bit worried I’ll mess it up but I think ...
bis food is probably caramel popcorn
boreal pumice
only use grade 1s have is gc turn ins and a leve for mind
tall field
Caramel is for a lot of jobs tbh
loud nymph
99% you want caramel popcorn
sullen minnow
I wanted to do ex2 first with wonder since I wanted the wings from it the most but I’ve never done it so I have to watch a guide anyway but everyone told me it’s not thaaat difficult
tall field
Which job doesnt use popcorn atm?
tulip anvil
im the black mage 😭
sullen minnow
Oh so the food DID change good to know 
boreal pumice
Which job doesnt use popcorn atm?
think a healer
loud nymph
The nice thing is nowadays you can treat a pot like a regular oGCD, so it can be queued and weaved like normal.
loud nymph
Didn't used to be the case, if you tried to use a pot and another oGCD in the same weave window, you'd clip your GCD
And you also didn't used to be able to queue pots, so it was very possible to clip GCD cuz the action just wouldn't work
loud nymph
Yeah, it's a lot better nowadays
sullen minnow
So maybe it won’t feel so awkward for me to use them
loud nymph
Generally there will be a spot in your opener where you will be able to pop your pot, not sure where it is for PCT specifically
sullen minnow
so I have pots, food, watching a guide tomorrow, I know my rotation I think I’m good for extreme just a bit scared but oh well
sullen minnow
Generally there will be a spot in your opener where you will be able to pop your...
I’m sure the balance has it somewhere
loud nymph
Some jobs have to pre-pot which is cursed as fuck
sullen minnow
I don’t think pct needs to do that but I’ll see on the balance later
tall field
Isnt drk prepotting just before they start?
sullen minnow
loud nymph
I'm pretty sure DNC still does as well
tall field
Like u pot then 1 2 LS 3 into throw everything
tulip anvil
prepot
dapper zealot
don't even need pot for ex2 since you're practically skipping half of it by now
versed kayak
<:noted:1433193081489850389> so I have pots, food, watching a guide tomorrow, I ...
EX2 was sphene right
loud nymph
Ex2 is ZJ
dapper zealot
EX2 was sphene right
daddy issues
versed kayak
oh right vali exists
tulip anvil
i cant officer vice loe
sullen minnow
Oh right I wanted to screenshot my gear later and show if it’s okay
RIGHT I FORGOR Materia…idk what to meld I knew with rpr in endwalker but now…
robust shoal
Isnt drk prepotting just before they start?
you want to pot before the first edge yeah
loud nymph
Do you guys have any other advice for someone who’s new to high end content
Just be patient with yourself, it's okay to stop DPS temporarily if you need to to resolve a mechanic, dying is a much bigger DPS loss. The more comfortable you get with high-end content the more comfortable you'll get with maintaining uptime while doing the mechanics.
tall field
Is this ok cats.
1 LS +Edge then i do 2 3 into weave deli then disesteem...
I usually do this in opener
Or pot just before 1 i mean since im gonna weave edge right after 1
Yea its a bit different vs paladin
Who only burns their pot after RA
robust shoal
pot before HS because you don't have another free weave slot before the edge
tall field
Same with warrior too ig
sullen minnow
I forogr you can see your gear on lodestone
Is this gear okay? 
I will probably get the relics current step sometime today
tall field
Oh
loud nymph
I forogr you can see your gear on lodestone
Is this gear okay? <:Stelle_nom:10...
for ZJ? You're like 70 ilvls above what we had when it was current, you'll be fine 🙂
tall field
The only time i get a weave spot is like
robust shoal
theoretically hs pot edge can be good if you delay LS a gcd or triple weave but it's not standard
tall field
After freaking bloodspiller
And maybe around the time i use S&D
😭
Else its always edge+oGCD
dapper zealot
Oh right I wanted to screenshot my gear later and show if it’s okay
RIGHT I FO...
don't need anything special, just slap all the crit on then det/direct
tall field
I wonder how u guys weave mits
loud nymph
I wonder where ZJ even dies now
sullen minnow
Just be patient with yourself, it's okay to stop DPS temporarily if you need to ...
I was a bit worried that not being able to do smth all the time cuz I want to also understand/solve mechanics without relying on others too much would be bad but it’s true me dying would be worse probably
tulip anvil
aftr conga
robust shoal
I wonder how u guys weave mits
pre-mit in a lot of cases
sullen minnow
don't need anything special, just slap all the crit on then det/direct
oh I have a bunch of those yippie
robust shoal
also edge can be replaced with tbn and then edge later
sullen minnow
Guess I’ll slap Materia on my gear when I have the current relic step for pct
tall field
Or like Dmind early then do ope ner
sullen minnow
When does the final step come out again for relic I forgor 7.56?
tall field
Also salted earth do i just fire it off cooldown?
robust shoal
So i tbn at start?
you can tbn in place of one of the edges yeah
tall field
And S&D
robust shoal
and rampart/vigil usually you can use before bursting
you can also use mit instead of edge and push an edge back if you don't overcap
salted you use on cd unless you have a specific reason to do otherwise
sullen minnow
I feel like a baby that’s being taught how to walk whenever I ask stuff here lmao
tulip anvil
rraid
robust shoal
in m9s you can delay salted a bit for cleave on adds/gaol
boreal pumice
Also salted earth do i just fire it off cooldown?
i wonder is there ever a time you would delay doing that?
robust shoal
for certain kts you can delay it for buffs too
robust shoal
in ulti final phases you're often using salted like a 2min because 4:30 phase doesn't let you do 3x SaD
tulip anvil
I just feel like I ask really dumb stuff lol
trust me, you dont
versed kayak
<:NikkiNotes_in:1288547324250816563> I was a bit worried that not being able to ...
You can follow the party in ZJ a bunch, and the more you do it the more you'll understand how to read the mechanics yourself
sullen minnow
I will probably show up more here once they introduce the new difficulty in evercold ,,,
sullen minnow
You can follow the party in ZJ a bunch, and the more you do it the more you'll u...
I recently understood that one mechanic in the current AR with the puddles lmao
By recently I mean yesterday
tall field
in ulti final phases you're often using salted like a 2min because 4:30 phase do...
I see
sullen minnow
I just rely on others to be right way too much ,,,
versed kayak
I will probably show up more here once they introduce the new difficulty in ever...
tbh if it's like advanced currently then it's barely harder than dungeon difficulty
tall field
So i salted and S&D
At once you mean
No point holding s&D
For buffs or it wont propogate to buffs?
tulip anvil
tbh if it's like advanced currently then it's barely harder than dungeon difficu...
its going to be inbetween extreme and savage so itll likely be harder than an advanced
advanced is like the level of an extreme
sullen minnow
tbh if it's like advanced currently then it's barely harder than dungeon difficu...
I’ve never did advanced actually,,
versed kayak
advanced is like the level of an extreme
it's so much easier than that
robust shoal
For buffs or it wont propogate to buffs?
SaD checks buffs when you press it, not when you put salted down
sullen minnow
I just hope that maybe that difficulty can bridge me into high end easier I’m a bit stupid 
tulip anvil
oh wait, i was confusing advanced with criterion nvm
versed kayak
criterion also isn't extreme difficulty :D at least some of the EW ones aren't
versed kayak
I’ve never did advanced actually,,
If you do it with two people it's incredibly easy, kinda funny
tulip anvil
I just hope that maybe that difficulty can bridge me into high end easier I’m a ...
if you think you're stupid, then you havent seen some of the bozos ive seen
its one thing being new to a fight, its another thing being bad at a fight while simultaneously being a dick
sullen minnow
It’s just most people I know are NA I’m also kinda too shy to ask cuz I’m not the most reliable person to do content with cuz of my mental 
sullen minnow
if you think you're stupid, then you havent seen some of the bozos ive seen
I’m the type of person that tries their best and ends up apologizing for wasting peoples time LMAO
dapper zealot
the earlier exs will be easier than you'll think with gearcreep
raven prawn
its finally happened "TO BE CONTINUED"
dapper zealot
cleared ex1 the other day in 2 pulls and several people dying
raven prawn
im out of msq for a while now lol
tulip anvil
I’m the type of person that tries their best and ends up apologizing for wasting...
and thats the kind of person that people would be fine with, they would probably tell you its ok
especially if you're doing easy going content like an old extreme
sullen minnow
I just hope my body won’t hold me in a chokehold where it’s physically tensed up until I clear LMAO that’s awful to play with lol
versed kayak
It’s just most people I know are NA I’m also kinda too shy to ask cuz I’m not th...
I'd join and help but there's a non zero chance I have static unfortunately
tulip anvil
just dont be like me and make mistakes and say absolutely nothing
even when others ask me about it
sullen minnow
No I usually take the blame for wipes LMAO
this somehow is my fault I just can’t prove it
versed kayak
don't have to go that far overboard, mentioning when it was your mistake doesn't hurt tho
(if you know it was you ofc)
tulip anvil
this somehow is my fault I just can’t prove it
i wouldnt take the blame for everything that would lead to low confidence, its only your fault if you directly caused it
sullen minnow
Idk I’m just like that it’s complicated LMAO
tulip anvil
i know sometimes when im feeling nervous i feel like i somehow cause every wipe and its not healthy to be in that mindset
tall field
@robust shoal will hopefully wanna try drk in chaotic and see how it goes
Should be a decent high end to try a tank on
random needle
So someone in my old content static wants to try shield healing, which means I'm going to be off tanking for barbie EX, rube EX, and Abyssos Savage
Does OT do anything in those fights other than the odd tank swap or
sage totem
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topaz wolf
https://gyazo.com/26f71b44c23ce4ee9f43bc337ebbcb86 that moment when your guardian average is higher than your o6s average
topaz wolf
as a raider for me it would be
topaz wolf
O6S > O1S > O5S > O2S > O3S > O7S > O8S > O4S
o8s is cozy for black mage
so that makes it easier for me personally than o8s
and o8s is tougher on the healers
unreal flax
Interesting. Neo harder than God, huh? Ah I see. That's still interesting.
grizzled seal
blm is really good for o8s i was told
topaz wolf
yeah
im tackling it tomorrow with my static
i was told to surecast right after meteors
gotta remember that
sage totem
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brave maple
There is a lot of movement in Neo
zinc vortex
from my personal
brave maple
I can see why it would be hard for Casters
civic sage
O4S is also harder as tank as you need to manage aggro with those resets, but it's still easy to tank since there's no auto attack you can just chill out without using buffs, not possible in o8s
grizzled seal
autoattalcs during almagest + aero III
unreal flax
As soon as I get home, it's back to retraining my MNK to stop making stupid mistakes like refreshing Demo at 9s lmao. I want to switch back to raiding on MNK instead of DRG. It's what I cleared the last tier with, so I have reason to believe that it's actually my strongest job
grizzled seal
is basically rolling a dice
unreal flax
I wanna prog through O7S. man. I wanna get in there and see the stupid
paper torrent
Monk post 4.2 is in a good spot
unreal flax
it really is. Like, the rotation is still set in stone, but damn these WoL QoL changes are fuckin nice.
Last night, doing Byakko, in the second half, I had a fuckin 45%+ crit rate lmao
mighty shale
you should get into o7 before it gets late in the tier and it's full of idiots
paper torrent
Yeah that is probably already happening
unreal flax
For sure. PF is already in heavy derp, though not full derp
I'm on Primal as well. Eek sometimes.
paper torrent
Worst case scenario
Is you just get locked out till next tier which just means farming what you can do till next big patch
Or Eureka
unreal flax
There's a few people I have a lot of faith in, though it has yet to be seen if that faith is misplaced. A couple of 6/8 & 7/8 statics that I get in with from time to time.
paper torrent
Subs for static works if you just want the clear
And then can join farm pfs
Granted those are still gambles anyway
but if you go into PF ofc you're putting your life in someone's hands to begin with
unreal flax
I spent two weeks dissuaded from this tier. I found out the mount is just a reskinned Whisper mount and it just made me not care as much anymore. I went and created an alt and leveled that shit instead of continuing to raid lol
paper torrent
to be fair that's perfectly reasonable, for some people gear is just gear and that's fine
untold oyster
Trying to do o7s with my casul raid group is painful tbh
paper torrent
wanting to get the mounts early is a big draw for many
untold oyster
I'm too used to playing with other good players 
severe notch
It was your choice locke
paper torrent
Sometimes that ends up being more fun tbh
untold oyster
Nah
paper torrent
I mean regardless how you feel about NEST you can't deny that they're having fun doing stuff with each other
untold oyster
I'd rather eat poop than raid with a group like NEST tbh
paper torrent
it's all about having that same mentality
severe notch
Not on Gilgamesh
I could never join a group like nest
I like being competitive for kills
paper torrent
I'm not saying that NEST is the end all way to have fun
i'm just saying that they have fun because they all have relatively the same mentality towards raiding
stable basin
You just need people that know that it's just a game and can laugh off wipes instead of being hostile and angry.
unreal flax
I would like to do stuff I don't care about with them, but holy shit that is not my style at all.
SRS BIZ
Like doing EX Trials with them seems fun. Weekly raids? Nah, I'll pass. BUT, the people I end up with learn much more slowly, so maybe it's an improvement lol
severe notch
My group does laugh off the wipes but we are good
paper torrent
I feel like those two things aren't mutually exclusive
everyone either seems to be like "SUPER TRY HARD MAX PARSE" or "meh whatever", when in reality it is usually between those two
but a lot of people percieve it that way
severe notch
@paper torrent I'll stream tonight and you can see my group we are serious but have fun
paper torrent
oh yeah i'm sure it is like that
restive mist
Hello there people, short question: as a drg, who would you give your dragonsight in a vacuum?
paper torrent
i'm just sayin' that other people think it's not like that
severe notch
@restive mist drg gets piroirty
restive mist
in a party without duplicate classes :p
dull radish
it depends a bit
in a regular comp that you'd get, BRD is usually best target for opener
severe notch
DRG > NIN > BRD/MCH > MNK > SAM > RDM/BLM
restive mist
many rdm say that since their "opener" is so high damage due to the ogcd it should be given to them
dull radish
no haha
severe notch
No
paper torrent
RDM
dull radish
their "high damage" is two oGCD
dull radish
and then it falls off hard
restive mist
Thanks for the clarification, just wanted to confirm my suspicions.
paper torrent
NIN literally does like double that in their fking tcj alone
severe notch
^
paper torrent
and thats JUST TCJ.
unreal flax
For me: MNK > SAM > DRG > NIN as far as melee. After that, WAR > PLD, then BLM > SMN > MCH > BRD > RDM. Then I guess healers
untold oyster
Building up to and during tcj I can spike up to 9k damage 🤔
severe notch
@unreal flax no
Mnk and sam take too long to charge up
After opener fine
But not fo opener
unreal flax
I don't use the tether until my third GCD so MNK is already on GL3 at that point
severe notch
I do post 2nd gcd
unreal flax
I do the rDPS opener.
severe notch
2nd gcd is better for my brd
paper torrent
@severe notch i am interested to see that stream though, It's kinda different when you know someone rather than it being just some random streamer
also see my own parse
untold oyster
I might strim tonite too ;o
severe notch
@paper torrent I'll ping you my stream when o start raid at 10pm est tank might stream if you want war pov
paper torrent
generally tank parses are close enough to each other that you can kinda spitball where you need to be doing
that would be fucking fantastic
i watched and read a guide for o7s
and then thought "man I should've just not botered"
severe notch
We are doing weeklys so you'll see every fight
untold oyster
Guide makes o7s seem more complicated than it actually is
paper torrent
kk ty Wacih
untold oyster
It's very simple when you actually do it
paper torrent
i'm most likely going to prog as WAR this season
the thing i most trip up on is usually IR windows and when to use shake it off
because lord knows pugs are shit
and i'm going to need all the help i can get to not be shit
sage totem
Tether goes to highest opener and then highest sustained dps
unreal flax
Yup
I have my party list sorted a specific way and I parse. If we wipe, I can adjust who I give the tether to
There have absolutely been times where it was more beneficial to tether one of the tanks than one of the DPS lol
sage totem
WAR being tethered on opener isn’t the worst because of their insane burst
unreal flax
Yup
unreal flax
Crits? The fuck are those? We got DIRECT CRITS out here
untold oyster
I had someone in a pug tether the warrior instead of me although I was the only one doing more damage than the warrior for the openers
sage totem
I don’t believe IR attacks can direct hit
I believe they’re forced crits
Which is why DH falls behind crit on WAR
unreal flax
Nah, they're all DCs now. During the new IR window, all damage is direct crits
sage totem
Really?
untold oyster
It's both
unreal flax
yee
sage totem
Guess I understood that wrong then
untold oyster
!action inner release
storm frostBOT
sage totem
Ahhh
unreal flax
Yeah, it's wild. I saw a WAR do a 30k Fell Cleave. I was pissed.
paper torrent
god bless diamond weapon
glossy musk
Yeah, that's why DH is so low for WAR now. Around 60% of our DPS comes from the IR phase
and more crit increases that
more DH doesn't
severe notch
@paper torrent I'll give you his channel now if you want we just raid in 7 hours
paper torrent
Ye please and thank you
severe notch
@paper torrent https://m.twitch.tv/darkk41/profile
paper torrent
kk thanks
severe notch
If you have any questions pm me and I'll answer when I have time
wheat garnet
Just so I know. How do you define endgame ? Is it all lvl 70 content ? Or only Savage/ultimate ? Maybe EX ?
topaz wolf
extreme/savage/ultimate/end-game crafting/end-game gathering would be my definition
unreal flax
In general, it's the content not related to the MSQ, which means savage raids, ex trials, and maaaaaaybe even 24-man shit.
wheat garnet
Oh. I forgot about the whole crafting part
azure hill
I'd say anything level 70 ish
severe notch
That's not msq
azure hill
Yeah
Ie stance dancing as a WAR during pulls in an expert dungeon isn't a beginner subject
blazing pelican
Why would you stance dance as a Warrior during a trash pull? IR Steel Cyclone makes you immortal for 10s
full wave
If the healer doesn't wanna dps I IR Decimate instead of IR Steel Cyclone
paper torrent
Also Holy exists
full wave
Tell that to NA df
lyric kelp
nothing in dungeons hurt much anyways
full wave
You have to make the dungeon hurt by pulling many mobs.
scenic patrol
Holy + IR Decimate makes trash die faster than light
stable basin
Wait is this endgame a new thing?
steady pebble
yes
stable basin
Okay
severe notch
It's basically to act like #questions-and-help just for endgame questions and it's going to moded heavily
stable basin
Nice
vital bolt
I guess mods saw too many numbers in the lore section so opened this up 
azure hill
People have also been discussing how to get started with Savage progression in #questions-and-help and strayed into long-winded meta discussions
Always been curious about something
Anyone have a clue how these sites work?
Considering they're able to show more than the one ingame
dull radish
as far as I'm aware, the weather patterns aren't really random, they're kinda patterned, so you can "forecast" out a good deal
sites like this just give the next few weather patterns coming up for your convenience
but on garlandtools or whatever it is, for example
you can say, when's the next time that it'll be the right conditions to get this fish
and it can tell you
azure hill
The game is practically running a long loop?
dull radish
azure hill
Awesome, thanks!
storm frostBOT
Current Weather for: Mist
sage totem
@lucid karma consider this your first warning. Further offtopic/trolling will result in removal.
spring dock
hm
severe notch
#kupo-bot-spam for that weather command is not endgame discussion
brisk oar
cool thanks!
boreal edge
is this channel for all endgame stuff?
pure yoke
yes
boreal edge
pve crafting gathering etc
pure yoke
it's like #questions-and-help in terms of moderation too
boreal edge
ah kk
unreal flax
I just tossed my fuckin Byakko Knuckles on the ground. Spent all day getting them. Melded them with SkS to reclaim some of what I lost. The difference in crit and SkS nullifies the +1WD and +15Str. I'm pissed.
untold oyster
Monks go for sks now?
untold oyster
Oh yeah back when I played monk there was a minimum to reach too
Like 593 or something
No wait 593 was accuracy before food lol
But there was a sks minimum too I followed
regal halo
untold oyster
Everything in IR is cdh tbh
untold oyster
!!
heavy mist
Its changed since 4.2 so that might be why
scenic patrol
even the Vengeance reflect is Direct Crit during IR
untold oyster
Yeah it feels pretty satisfying to spam cdh fell cleaves tbh
torn kindle
Once you Unga Bunga you never go back
scenic patrol
WAR can output some disgusting damage in dungeons
lucid karma
Vengeance is not exactly "reflect damage" but rather "you do damage to whoever hit you"
so during IR it will be crit+DH
think of it as thorn aura
paper torrent
Not that is useful since equi is used during opener
Before IR but yeah
Vegence crits too
Is much more pratical imo
sturdy sorrel
you'd also have to be in defiance to "crit equilibrium"
lucid karma
in extreme situation that'd be useful, like all your healer is ded but you need to survive a little longer
paper torrent
At that point you are probably going to wipe anyway
It would be more benefitial to pop thrill instwad
lucid karma
like I said, extreme situation. which shouldn't happen anyway
eg. co-tank and healers are ded but boss is also almost ded and IR is ready
happened to me once in O7 normal
lucid karma
used it to anti knockback 
lucid karma
I am lazy
paper torrent
Eh. Fair enough
lucid karma
I don't play tank in savage so not sure how to deal with that
paper torrent
To be fair in o7n you can do that since the TB stops hurting if you have decent gear and know how rampart works
And you know dont have chickens that cant run into the glowy wire
deep wadi
how to pull as lv70 warrior
bring all the mobs to wherever
switch to deliverance
inner release
WELCOME TO THE SPACE JAM
blazing pelican
get a good read on your healer first, don't wanna die in the middle of that and get blasted for it
https://i.redd.it/qc7dycor9gd01.png
https://i.redd.it/glym23wwukd01.png
https://i.imgur.com/FphDCUj.png
https://i.redd.it/st64gsrzaze01.png
https://i.redd.it/4mzlkrdywdf01.png
for reference ^^^
lunar junco
I just go Bey Blade Mode when pulling a big group in dungeons
blazing pelican
The O7S is really important, since the first Load effects the whole fight. It's basically two similar fights in one, and you don't know which one you get until 30s in
blazing pelican
always good to have everything in one place
final pine
Would be much better ^
lyric summit
O5S: https://i.redd.it/qc7dycor9gd01.png
O6S: https://i.redd.it/glym23wwukd01.png
O7S: https://i.imgur.com/FphDCUj.png
O8S Kefka: https://i.redd.it/st64gsrzaze01.png
O8S God Kefka: https://i.redd.it/4mzlkrdywdf01.png
final pine
high ether
the timelines for the fights are very useful for optimization
but if you're new to raiding, don't make the mistake i made at first and immediately try to learn them from heart before you even step in there
it's too much to take in at once, you'll have to join progression parties and slowly learn the fight one step at a time
vital bolt
That's sound advice for any instance.
and unfortunately
The reason many leaning parties fail
high ether
yes but doubly so for savage because there is so much stuff happening in there
it's good to have a basic idea of the mechanics and what you're supposed to do from videos and such
but you're not going to actually learn anything until you step in there and see how it works out in practice
vital bolt
you're still technically learning after your first clear too
high ether
if you've seen the fight a number of times you will start to learn when which attack happens and you can become more proactive
vital bolt
So it's not even over after that 
It's also pretty obvious when you get into a party with no bonus that falls apart
I was in a no bonus Thordan Ex party last week where no one knew about protecting the healer in the final phase
azure hill
Yeah, O6S looks complicated as hell going by that timeline
But it feels very managable in practice
unborn sigil
Thankfully O6S' pretty braindead for DPS, I lucked out and joined a pug Discord and we had a guy that was shout-calling throughout the fight.
azure hill
Yeah, feels like the healers are the only ones that really have to deal with mechanics
high ether
o6s has almost no RNG in it, the fight is almost exactly the same every time
and it is very clearly divided into six phases, which repeat themselves with maybe one extra mechanic later
that is why in practice it feels much easier
o5s is arguably harder than o6s because it has more rng, you have to pay more attention to what happens and what you have to do
dull radish
O6S also has the benefit of people not being able to fall off
azure hill
Yeah
A bad AoE or light placement can screw you
Or the timing with people exiting cars
zinc vortex
or when you use aetherial manipulation on someone who's going up the train after killing the adds, which causes you to fall off the platform for whatever reason, so you get raised but get the throttle debuff 1 second earlier than everyone else and your warrior wants to try the add skip so you die and have double weakness
W E W
greatest experience of my ife
life*
severe notch
Just play a good class
opal hollow
that is awfully specific
dull radish
there's a really quality gif of something like that happening
oh sorry, twitch clip, but found it
dull radish
yeah I never used AM there before, and I saw that
and definitely not using it after seeing that
azure hill
Probably never came up since BLM players don't use AM 
dull radish
AM is the best, sucks that weaving is dumb though
azure hill
It's so rare that it always suprises me to see people use it in expert dungeons
dull radish
man, it's so great in expert
you can like, get B3, B4, T4 up during the pull, and rotate between B3 and F3 to keep stacks
and AM to someone after a cast to keep up
zinc vortex
its fun to use on biblio circles in o7s
dull radish
as long as someone takes that extra step in
dull radish
yeah
I played it safe while we were still progging
but after we cleared 8 I said, okay I'm gonna start using AM here, please someone take an extra step in for me
only made a biblio add happen once since then
azure hill
Can imagine it being a huge help on O5S
The BLM in my group really hated progressing it
dull radish
O5S was no problem
dull radish
the fight itself is annoying because of the fight, it's not especially more annoying on BLM
unless people are dumb with spotlights but eh
you can eat one fine usually worst case, otherwise it's whatever
pretty minimal loss if any at all
the only way the fight is really bad is if you don't have surecast
zinc vortex
i get bullied out of my ley lines because of light an average of 1.5 times during each pull
dull radish
just manaward and eat it
zinc vortex
😔
zinc vortex
im still learning but yeah i guess i gotta abuse manaward more
ive only played this class for 2 weeks but i like it so far
dull radish
realistically they just shouldn't put them on you in the first place
zinc vortex
actually its more like 8 days or so
dull radish
so it should be a non-issue
steady pebble
that AM interaction looks pretty similar to what can happen if you try to gap close on the first boss of dun scaith from an angle
zinc vortex
yeah
shoulder tackle
ugh
i did that on pull my very first time in there and i instantly fell off
steady pebble
can't help but chuckle every time i see a poor melee fall off trying to get back to him
i feel bad for chuckling tho lol
azure hill
Ugh, I had the first painful Dun Scaith run in ages last night
Two scholars who couldn't be bothered to top people up or shield before raidwide AoE 👌
And never saw Whispering Dawn
zinc vortex
more like whispering dont
azure hill
One of them was being toxic and elitist, so I looked him up on fflogs since I was feeling petty
He was 4th percentile
blazing pelican
Dun Scaith can be a pain with double SCH, but still manageable
Double SCH is workable in all sub-EX content, you just have to actually use your head
azure hill
Yeah, the trouble is that SCH players in general tend to be lazy
zinc vortex
bruh you just hit indom
azure hill
We were at constant half health, and both scholars were just hanging out not casting anything
zinc vortex
might as well just put eos on sic at that point
azure hill
Yeah 
zinc vortex
reminds me of that 20 page essay where that guy called out that scholar
blazing pelican
sometimes I'll put Eos on Sic if I need both Illumination and Covenant up immediately, cause she won't Embrace on Sic if those skills are available
Whereas if a party member is below 80%, she'll always queue up an Embrace after whatever skill you told her to use on Obey
On Obey her priority is Command > If hp <80% Embrace > Next command
On Sic it's Illumination if avail > Covenent if avail > Whispering if avail > Embrace
dull radish
could always use steady instead
but it should generally not be a case where you really need to put both up at the exact same time, should be fine to space them out even if greedy eos wants to get that embrace off in between
blazing pelican
I use the Illumination Covenant combo for 2nd Forsaken > Starstrafe. Makes me and my coheal's job a lot easier. We'll probably draw back a bit on the overkill now that we've cleared. We were being heavy handed cause we'd rather overdo it and live, than hold back and lose people.
dull radish
I don't blame you
2nd forsaken is worst forsaken
screw that one
the others are cozy
blazing pelican
I'm also tossing a Sacred towards the main pack at the end of Starstrafe for the stack marker into Light of Judgement
I get a lot of mileage out of Sacred Soil this tier, only fight I don't really use it in is O6S
dull radish
have you tried head on: apply directly to the forehead strats yet?
it's pretty fun
and by fun I mean
cozy if adlo crits
blazing pelican
we've played with it but I keep forgetting. plus we only have one melee
blazing pelican
WAR/PLD/WHM/SCH/NIN/BRD/BLM/RDM
dull radish
ah, double caster, but least fortunate kind of double caster
but fine enough to make things work
shame about no STR bonus for tanks though
always found that a really dumb thing
blazing pelican
but our O5S runs are almost always comedies of errors
it's the first run in this video
dull radish
oh I was like, that poor BLM gonna miss out on all those raid buffs being so far back
but then I remembered you don't have DRG or AST haha
blazing pelican
wait he's not gonna get embolden 
zinc vortex
blazing pelican
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/ZqdkrYcvV29aWpjF/
here's the log for the train run
dull radish
I think it was last week, maybe the week before
we had a run with like 15+ deaths
don't even know how
we could have cleared
but the SCH was like, begging for us not to
so we wiped at like, 1%
blazing pelican
"pls no, don't put this on my median"
dull radish
I was all for clearing
would have been hilarious
but the only people left alive at the end were like, the DRG and the WAR
ah there it is
blazing pelican
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/TrL2v9814nmqdA6x/#fight=last&type=damage-done
I'm gonna make someone else do Typhon next week, tired of being purple on a massive uptime fight
dull radish
yeah typhon sucks a bit
it's not like it's the plane where you can hop on then right off
zinc vortex
don't you only need to push one of the things anyway
full wave
2 at most
woeful prawn
typhon is retarded
full wave
Healers nkrmally handle it
woeful prawn
i hate vehicle mechanics in anything
sullen sable
I can do typhon without losing more than one GCD. The movement is kinda annoying, but I'm sure there's some swiftcast/late bio reapplication you can do to make it work without ruin 2s
woeful prawn
°theres probably a safespot if you push the feather to the wall instead of away from the wall
sullen sable
yeah maybe
typhon moves quickly which is handy
it's more the movement you need to get the pink paint + painting
I know for sure bio falls off right before/during the rocks
Holding that for a GCD should let you do it while running
Given that you could probably use bio a little late in the opener and get it under some raid buffs
Maybe something like: rocks > miasma 2 > bio + swift (pink paint) > broil (typhon)
Depending on what your last hotkey is on your first hotbar, you should be able to blow and exit typhon within a GCD or so
grizzled seal
You miss out on like 4gcds worst case if you play it safe
woeful prawn
i have to press 1 and then alt + ° :^)
sullen sable
Delet
hybrid rapids
just cleared 6s yesterday
i have to handle rock and typhon
but it seems at most cost 1 GCD(typhon) and 1 oGCD (rock)
JP strat usually have barrier healer handle them
opaque tide
fuck that stupid rock
last week when I was doing my two chest and also trying to get my RDM parse out of gray
I was behind that rock TWICE and it killed me with the tidal wave
thankfully we wiped both times
and on the run we cleared I got a good parse
that clear pull I literally panned my camera above me like 7s missles to make damn sure I was behind that stupid fucking rock
dull radish
hmm, I've never had an issue with the rock
opaque tide
I didn't either until last week, idk wtf was going on
topaz wolf
ive never been hit by the wave
opaque tide
just that run was weird af
dull radish
I can understand melee getting hit by it since the safe spot to hit it and boss is kinda weird apparently, I dunno exactly
but for me, I just park myself behind that rock, LoS the painting, and easy
severe notch
same i've never been hit by wave
opaque tide
thats what I do it was just not working until I made sure I was behind it by looking from above
again never got hit by it
before last week
idk
i'm just glad my RDM aprses aren't gray anymore
*parses
dull radish
yeah, that's always nice at least
opaque tide
that might have helped tbh
though i'm doing weeklies tonight with a group of friends
should be fun
5 and 6s weeklies
some haven't done Savage yet so it will be fun to see them learn
dull radish
nice
I'm filling in for a group for at least 5-7 weeklies on my alt this week, hopefully won't be as bad as it was last week when I did it with some other folks
had the weirdest strats for some things
opaque tide
Do you play BLM on your alt too?
dull radish
yeah
dull radish
mmm lemme see if I can find the little write-up I did for my static that night, sec haha
Rika Vanih - 02/28/2018
those were
the dumbest O7S strats
I couldn't have thought of things much worse
- My Chakra spot was W.
- My Atomic Ray and Ink spot was SW.
- Biblio panels were done E to S for ranged.
- Melees dropped atomic ray on boss at start then everyone moved far north, ensuring that I had to run either far or super far for the next mechanic.
- They did not move boss to ultros corner, so melee stayed on boss, then moved to ultros corner, then ran away.
- I had to tell them it might be a good idea to bring boss and biblio add close to each other, people were dying to not getting AoE heals.
- They randomly had tentacle simulation spot N facing S later on.
- They had me at NE for virus, like hello?
there was probably more but I forgot
6 they also wanted me to pick up yellow, do rock, and do yellow for siren as well
and had weird positioning where you couldn't not pick up yellow when boss went SW
passed kiss to MT
had stack be in a place where you had to actively move to dodge gaze
opaque tide
wtf is that Ultros strat lmao
dull radish
literally found myself having to sprint around the arena in 7 just to do some of their positioning
it was so dumb
I'm like, I wanna be in the corner
dull radish
well no baiting for rockets, but for the chain cannon, they just, didn't?
opaque tide
why would they make a dps do yellow? I-is that a thing? I've never had to do yellow as a caster dps
spice comet
💦
dull radish
like I said
spice comet
Wut
spice comet
Nope
dull radish
I still feel bad for them
topaz wolf
i subbed for a static group that did weird o7s strats too
spice comet
Rdm might as say bye bye to their dps
topaz wolf
but i talked it out with them and everything was fixed
opaque tide
Yeah as a RDM the most i've had to do is blue or black, if I had to run over and do yellow i'd be annoyed
spice comet
Yellow and pink its been healers for me
dull radish
black is most cozy, blue is still pretty cozy since you have to pick it up later again anyways
better on the non-BLM casters
topaz wolf
if someone forced me to do yellow id not be there lmao
dull radish
that one I was at least able to talk my way out of
oh, and the reasoning behind them not having biblio add and boss together, is they were afraid that the party would get cleaved right away, so they always just kept them apart
and saved LB3 for the caster to LB3 them both
dull radish
yeah I dunno
topaz wolf
the static i subbed for listened to everything i had to say attentively and they noticed positive differences so they appreciated the advice, you didnt try such a thing with them? 😛
dull radish
I just wanted my clear then to get out of there
spice comet
Lol
spice comet
Feelsbad
dull radish
they went with a few
but they didn't want to change around too much of what they were used to
I can understand that but yeahhh
topaz wolf
i had to teach them about max melee range ink
the melee were running off into the distance
for ink i cringed a bit seeing that
topaz wolf
probably rika carry
spice comet
That check was tight for o7s unless u got geared
dull radish
mmm, lemme check
I know it wasn't a great run mostly because of the dumb strats but still
topaz wolf
also had to tell the dragoon to use his jump and gap-closer for his atomic
i saw him run, stand there
then run back in
i was like why
spice comet
Gotta drop gcds
dull radish
ugh I keep forgetting I'm on browser version of discord because work
and uploading doesn't really work on browser version haha
I'll just link the report, whatever
didn't even get any loot for the week on that character after all that effort
spice comet
Yeah rika carried
dull radish
only thing she has is the base tome weapon, everything else is mostly just random whatever
topaz wolf
29500
opaque tide
hmm
topaz wolf
or above
sullen sable
Not too bad
opaque tide
i'll try and pug for a clear this week
then have to work on Kefka
idk if I should try pugging Kefka though
dull radish
kefka is fun
opaque tide
idk how doable that fight is with pugs
dull radish
second graven image, folks might be dumb for
sullen sable
gl
spice comet
O7s is better now