they can clear it but the quality of pugs is very low
#endgame-lounge
topaz wolf
opaque tide
rip
dull radish
it's decent if you do a bit of filtering
spice comet
But kefka 
how to keep solid 2k dps......
opaque tide
farthest I got in a pug in 7s was
Virus
then we'd just immediately die to rot
after doign Virus with that static though
its pretty easy
dull radish
yeah
spice comet
The problem with pug and virus is no communication
dull radish
virus is, just stand in the right spot
spice comet
So like.......ppl legit yolo
opaque tide
I might look for a pug using Voice chat tbh. That fight was soooo much easier with strats on voice and callouts when I was with that static
dull radish
usually if you can find a group that can consistently get to and past virus relatively cleanly
decent odds to clear
yeah callouts make it cozy
opaque tide
yeah getting through virus in one piece is a good sign
sullen sable
spice comet
We got 60%
spice comet
i need to stop healing and just cleric stance->broil
sullen sable
I still heal way too much o8s. Just wanna get the kill tbh 
dull radish
how close are you?
sullen sable
We got it on Sunday
dull radish
ah
sullen sable
But like during this week too
spice comet
It gets iffy post gravitas cause i forgot when he does ultima
sullen sable
Just don't care to optimize
dull radish
yeah I understand haha
dull radish
just wanna get it down for the week
spice comet
Im about ready to throw away protect to cleric that 60%
dull radish
that's unfortunate
sullen sable
I do that
During prog, people dying probably meant not meeting enrage anyway
So fuck protect
spice comet
True i should start doing that "ur ded, welp wipe it up"
dull radish
it's kinda funny, on first kill we had like one death, a healer near the end
and then on second kill
we had two deaths before ultima spam at the end, both dps, with me dead on the floor last 30s
and we killed like 3s faster than first kill
sullen sable
Lmao
spice comet
Is there a way to just let them take 2 ultimas to the face
Theres 3 ultima spans then enrage but man if only i can do an extra broil over healing the second one
sullen sable
Veil + shake + dawn/asylum?
dull radish
just toss in whatever mitigation you still have at that point
sullen sable
Indom to heal for the third one
dull radish
we usually have like, reprisal/addle/shake it off available
it's pretty cozy
though I don't know if we actually got any ultimas this week?
I don't remember
spice comet
๐ that sounds like itll work cause we heal after ea ultima hit at the end
So rip gcd
sullen sable
In fairness
If you're a broil away from beating enrage, there's probably other problems lol
sullen sable
You could potentially get extra casts elsewhere in the fight too
Lmao
Yeah that's a problem
spice comet
Was hopin to like squeeze extra healer dps
woeful prawn
i joined a static for deltascape for 5 or 6 weeks
statics are fucking awful at the game
hybrid rapids
Just did 7s first time just now
Reached enrage
Man, 7s is really simple but the tough part on remember those program
Also DPS check
Enrage on like 27%
Normally people just remember the whole flow?
spice comet
Yea theres a simple pattern
woeful prawn
https://i.imgur.com/KESuJWz.png this was their biblio bait and panda tanking strat
hybrid rapids
I hit by missile sometimes, hit box are weird
spice comet
Missles u want to use corners, should be able to wait
sullen sable
spice comet
Prob a pixel
sullen sable
If you want, you can just wait for the missiles to pass
hybrid rapids
first time i went from south to north kek
sullen sable
O_o
hybrid rapids
then entered right before it exploded
actually plenty of time
because macro assigned H1 to south, H2 to north
i went to south then went back to north
the virus part just passing the virus?
only the magnet part have to careful?
virus will always on the push away person?
lyric kelp
abandonment gets pushed
woeful prawn
yes
sullen sable
Rot is on one of the center dps yeah
lyric kelp
i saw a strange criss cross strat for virus one day
where the searings form this x so you get pulled to the center
hybrid rapids
which program hit anyone close to the boss?
lyric kelp
air force?
hybrid rapids
ahh
thanks
i always pay attention to the octopus and daladamu
but forgot the others
woeful prawn
@lyric kelp https://www.webmshare.com/play/AXg6P
lyric kelp
you can't fit 2 painflare unless you do it immediately when he spawns ๐
dull radish
usually better to leave ultros alive a bit longer honestly
so folks can refresh buffs and get more gauge and whatever
but yeah, I know haha
it's a bit spooky since usually I'm at a point in my rotation where I'd Foul
and if I DH crit the foul for the two
it'd, uh, hurt
but I can usually just B4 instead
hybrid rapids
hmm, i just looked at the chart
basically every program will appear 2 times?
and i can see another pattern
it paired with each other
lyric kelp
airforce and ultros always paried and monk and book i think
tbh i don't like book first
lyric kelp
having to hold bahamut for 30 seconds 
i used to like it but people focus the monk really hard now
so i don't even get the double deathflare at the end
hybrid rapids
one thing to memorize is if book first then after virus spread (avoid ultros)?
spice comet
Monk is nice cause u can skip the last ultros + missles
After virus u have confuse mech
With the boss flying
lyric kelp
he'll paste whatever program he skips after virus
spice comet
Then yea ultros after all that is done
lyric kelp
ink/air force is comfy for ranged
spice comet
After virus ultros goes...ink->tentacles right away->bombs->now missles, boss flies and ultros come out
lyric kelp
since you can always go to the same spot and be safe
dull radish
I wish we would get good pattern for O7S more often
seems like every time lately we keep getting ultros first last phase
spice comet
Airforce is the nice pattern because u just have to move away for his aoe, then drop ur atomic and take chakra
Ultros first is shiiiit
dull radish
airforce is nice because you don't have the downtime from ultros
assuming you kill before ultros in the other pattern
spice comet
That too but i just hate his missles during ultros lol
lyric kelp
theres something that happens during ultros in the last phase if its books first, but my dwt comes up at a really bad time
spice comet
Yeah better to kill boss when ultros is last, dont do mech if hes ded
dull radish
I dunno, I found missiles during that ultros annoying like once or twice
lyric kelp
like utros is dead and the boss is flying
dull radish
and then was never annoying after that
lyric kelp
so i either have to cut my dwt 8 seconds short or clips aetherflow
spice comet
Yeah u bait
Bait kill ultros, dodge missles
I sometimes get it right othertimes eat missle
lyric kelp
i love it when you have a dense set of missles
and everyone dodges them but one person
and you all blow up
dull radish
That part always seemed hectic to me early on, and now it's like, always feels like there's so much room to move and adjust
unreal flax
Jupiter booboo carry me through this tier. You can do it. I believe in youuuuuu
hybrid rapids
btw, wondering the DPS check part
lyric kelp
lyric kelp
you want to be about 50% after the end of virus i think
lyric kelp
or that was what it was a few weeks ago
lyric kelp
dull radish
27% is quite a lot haha
lyric kelp
hey brit i'll carry you if you play drg ๐
dull radish
But hey, enrage
unreal flax
You think that's bad, I was trying to get those shitty Byakko knuckles so I could bring my MNK into Savage. This fuckin group enraged at 49%. I was furious. I was doing 60% more DPS than second place.
lyric kelp
did you have damage downs?
unreal flax
I honestly had no idea that was possible
azure hill
unreal flax
total? Double digits.
lyric kelp
i remember when my ninja dc'd at 4th forsaken and we wound up with tripple damage down
dull radish
<3
unreal flax
Nah Tiff. it sucks. I'm in it.
unreal flax
Jupiter, so far I've only gone into this tier on my DRG, but I haven't touched O7S at all yet. Planning on banging out O5&6S today and pugging myself to pieces on O7S for the rest of the week lol
unique wolf
drg 
unreal flax
I actually don't want to raid on DRG anymore lol. I'm totally comfortable with it, but I like MNK more so here I am lol
dull radish
MNK is cozy <3
lyric kelp
i wonder
if theres a strat for tripple melee on guardian
well i guess someone will lose uptime on the chakra?
but i guess you can have a paladin go out and holy spirit
dull radish
Biblio would be dumb
unique wolf
you would have to use rescue
lyric kelp
maybe a pld could do that too
hybrid rapids
i'm recruiting party to practice after virus
but 3 caster joined
should i kick them?
lyric kelp
dull radish
Eh, it's practice, and the DPS check isn't that tight anyways, especially with gear
unreal flax
Chakra's the green circles, right?
lyric kelp
i mean its doable
hybrid rapids
alright
lyric kelp
but people won't be happy
dull radish
Make sure the SMN uses Garuda though
I dunno why people are dumb and still use ifrit in pugs like that
So much contagion value
hybrid rapids
maybe can plan to clear on tomorrow
lyric kelp
what if they changed contagion to extend ruination
lyric kelp
unreal flax
All I want is a party with comparable gear that can keep me from being top DPS. I have severe imposter syndrome lmao. If I'm top DPS for too long, we're gonna enrage. Regardless of whether that's true or not, that's how I feel
lyric kelp
less of a gear issue more of a player issue
everyone should be doing decent dps now that its week 6
unreal flax
Right, exactly. I'm only i341 on my MNK, but if someone has the same or better iLevel than me, I don't want to be fuckin smoking them. I'm not that good.
I was getting beat in Byakko last night by a BLM and I was actually really pleased about it because they clearly knew what the fuck they were doing. I love that.
lyric kelp
Blm is comfy this tier 
but i don't want to pug on blm since not having someone to am to would make me angry
๐ก
spice comet
Had my fill of ptsd from bad blms
unreal flax
Which do you prefer? When I ran with you those few times, you were either on BLM or MCH, but I know you have SMN as well and ... BRD? I think?
spice comet
when they stay in middle of nowhere during bilio, yea im not healing that get in aoe range
lyric kelp
uh
i'm play smn this tier
but i actually just want to play blm
i might have gone mch
dull radish
BLM <3
lyric kelp
but pugs clearing out the ghosts in the trains made me spooked
when you don't have a displacement or anti knock back
and theres no ghosts around
๐ป
unreal flax
OMFG I see so many BRD/MCHs get blown under the train lmao. What was SE thinking not giving them any form of lockdown?
lyric kelp
brd can survive but its based on ping
dull radish
It's super cool to pull off though
unreal flax
Repelling Shot?
dull radish
You can do it with bad ping though, it's just so much harder and more luck-based
lyric kelp
i tried playing mch during 6s in week one, but some drg ran a circle around me when we both had the fonts
and i was very sad
it scarred me forever
now i sometimes miss a gcd during fonts because i don't want to get looped
dull radish
I like that I can just eat one or two and be okay now
So now I just move out a bit and then BtL or AM back in
lyric kelp
i'm not sure if the fonts follow you or if they target your position
can you get a healer to rescue you and ping pong around with am
dull radish
It always heads right towards your position with each hit
woeful prawn
if you have good healers they can reliably kill the 2nd and 3rd ghostblock when they all spawn at once after intermission
lyric kelp
i don't like it when people have the light and they keep moving
and a ghost is trying to kidnap me
please stay still
dull radish
Yeah, I had that the other week on my alt
unreal flax
I'm going in on MNK tonight. I really hope I never get selected by a persistent ghost or the stupid lights.
dull radish
Person with the light literally popped sprint and booked it to the far back of the arena
lyric kelp
one week i had two people with the lights and they
popped sprint and ran to the back of the train
so i just decided i might as well get kidnapped
pure yoke
You could also park light in the middle max melee for tether ghost
unreal flax
That only works if there's no Remorse ghost coming up or if they have another ghost somewhere on the train in case Remorse is coming. Or I might be missing something
All the groups I've run with like to have a ghost box right up front in melee lol
pure yoke
You save arm length for that ghost
spice comet
Nah remorse ghost is after
dull radish
yeah
unreal flax
Oh, for sure, I do
dull radish
we always put lights right in the middle up front for melee
spice comet
So u can kill the kidnapping ghost then do mech
pure yoke
If you arm length remorse at the start
unreal flax
It'll be available later
pure yoke
You can also arm length headlight beam
unreal flax
What I'm saying is that, in the groups I've been with, they tend to kill every ghost box except the one one in melee range.
lyric kelp
You should always be fine parking a light in max melee
The only case you'll have problems I think is if the fight just goes way too long
unreal flax
If the only ghost on the train is the one in melee range, wouldn't putting a light at the sides at max melee kill that ghost? I know the corners of the box are safe, but what about an entire side lol
spice comet
Depends on how off u r
The light is like suuuuper finiky so u can set it on like more side than corner and box still stays
lyric kelp
The knock back doesn't happen that frequently
dull radish
yeah
we just don't care about front box except for first one, if we don't have 2nd box up
otherwise it's just a bit of a pain and in the way
unreal flax
It's only like two or three times. I have Arm's Length for it every time. Personally, I don't really care about it, but MCHs and BRDs are rippo
dull radish
have PLD and cover -> tempered will~
sullen sable
Mch/bard can move and not lose dps tho
unreal flax
I've seen that done a few times early in the tier. haven't seen it in a long time
spice comet
Just dont wildfire n theyre fine, most of the time range would move out of melee especially cause u have that stack->ghost line-> wind before
unreal flax
MCH/BRD moving doesn't really mean much if the only ghost gets destroyed. That's what I'm trying to understand. What I've had to do with the light when I get marked for it is run behind the melee box because I wasn't aware you could safely park the light on the side in max melee
dull radish
I'd just put it at the corner if you really only have front box up and need it for some reason
as you normally would
lyric kelp
Well there should still be some box up for them to run behind
unreal flax
There should be, but often there isn't.
dull radish
there's usually a surplus of boxes
sullen sable
dull radish
that get replenished
if the fight lasts long enough
you'd have to go out of your way to kill all 4 boxes
spice comet
Yeah u get like 4 boxes
unreal flax
With pugs, accidents happen
I rarely if ever get a light during tethers
I usually get tethered
dull radish
I dunno, even in pugs I tend to not really see folks kill all four boxes
unreal flax
After jails, the whole train gets filled up with boxes. I've seen people who get marked destroy the rear three, then later, during tether/lights, there's one box remaining
I don't think you get another box before the next push ghost
spice comet
Its legit hard to kill boxes when u dont try to
sullen sable
O this is a "making the best of a shitty situation" not "how to properly handle something"
unreal flax
I don't think you're all understanding what I'm saying. They're likely actively trying to kill three of the four ghosts.
dull radish
yeah
scenic patrol
You have to kill the middle boxes before the combo mechs
spice comet
They use box 1 for that
dull radish
box 2 is coziest for things
unreal flax
Ye
spice comet
True tho
sullen sable
For head on
unreal flax
That's the one I like
dull radish
screw box 1 and 4 though
spice comet
If box 2 its nice
dull radish
worst combo for first set
sullen sable
Tho supposedly
dull radish
can't kill 1st box because 4th is out of range for BRD
unreal flax
Box in melee range seems nice until you have to deal with marching ghosts + winds
sullen sable
Cheesing the first headon is the real strat
dull radish
not just first
scenic patrol
Box one should be kept for first push back then deleted
dull radish
both
sullen sable
O
spice comet
scenic patrol
Or maybe just deleted
spice comet
Post knockback, box one doesnt matter
lyric kelp
I want to take head on and apply directly to the forehead
scenic patrol
Yeah, it only makes tethers more annoying
lyric kelp
Someone get me a comfy deploy adlo
dull radish
ghost march can be bad with box 1 up
is the main issue with box 1
you sometimes have to go really out of your way to dodge
spice comet
Yeah the range usually stay back
dull radish
if you have bad pattern
unreal flax
There have been times where they keep both box 1 and 2 for marching ghosts + winds. that shit is miserable.
spice comet
The melee can....deal with it seems to be how it goes
lyric kelp
I found that in pugs the melee aways run away for the march
scenic patrol
If all the party can use immunities, you can just delete all boxes
dull radish
melee run away for everything in pugs
it's crazy
I saw a DRG once in ap ug
that like ran halfway back for every mechanic
and I'm like, ok friend
unreal flax
omfg
dull radish
bye
spice comet
Elusive jump ๐ค
lyric kelp
Some people are afraid of uptime
dull radish
think he ended up having like 2k dps or something
spice comet
:sweat_drops:
lyric kelp
I ran into a drg
scenic patrol
I need to trust my healers now, they are actually quite good
lyric kelp
It was a clear he had a log
pure yoke
Is good kefka his final form?
spice comet
Who carried him
unreal flax
Good Kefka is when the mechanics all line up favorably.
lyric kelp
he goes from good kefka to bad kefka ๐
Bad kefka is when he does big trine and the safe spot is in narnia
lyric kelp
Why is coffee a cat now
pure yoke
Why not
lyric kelp
Bird coffee just felt more in character
Where he's just tilting his head and asking me what I'm doing
unreal flax
booooy what was that sound she made lol.
Wait, did she move? Why did her cast end before Kefka's?
topaz wolf
https://streamable.com/puedz this is where my static went in like two and a half hours of kefka prog
unreal flax
How the fuck can you even hear people? I can't hear shit over that loud ass music lmao
candid olive
what is BiS for bard in neclace?
topaz wolf
anything with crit
spice comet
^
candid olive
so its worth swaping out my 360 necklace for a 340 beacuse it gives crit
360 dosent
topaz wolf
if i was a bard
id buy the 350 crafted, stack it with crit
and wait to buy the 370 one with o5s tomes/from drop
torn kindle
You mean no SkS? 
spice comet
๐
But yeah the crafted 350 is better altho i guess it doesnt hurt to use 360 if they bought it
candid olive
aaaa i need to talk to someone that mains bard
spice comet
welp, get some $ and get 350
candid olive
๐ฎ
topaz wolf
i know my statics bard
skipped the 355 byakko wep
cause it didnt give crit
and went straight for tome
candid olive
yeah thats the one i am going for now
i mean i just see bards that do 5k
dps
and i wanna do raids but i hear thats where i need to be to even be viable
so i dont get "carried"
spice comet
Dps is more based on skill than gear
topaz wolf
yeah
candid olive
that is not what everyone is telling me
spice comet
Obv dont go in unmelded and being like 330
torn kindle
5k is around 70-75th percentile so it won't be an impossible task.
spice comet
But just normal gear like some melds, preferably 350 and 5k is now base on skill
candid olive
i mean my ilvl is 353 with my current gear, but i cant hold more than 4.5k
and that is on a dummy
topaz wolf
well
dull radish
I can pull more on my i350 alt than people with like i365
topaz wolf
^
spice comet
4.8k 349
dull radish
Gear helps but skill is more important
spice comet
Mch tho
topaz wolf
do u have crit in every gear slot dakkey
candid olive
il just post my shit 2 secs D
aaa cant send pics here
i dont think
these are my current stats
topaz wolf
!whois @candid olive
storm frostBOT
spice comet
Is brd crit rly 2k?
paper torrent
Crit seems low
spice comet
And here i thought my sch 2.3k is low
paper torrent
I think it is probably because byakko bow blows
candid olive
and thats what everyone keeps telling me my crit is low
wich is what is holding me back
torn kindle
Man I wish I had that much SpS for my BLM ;-;
paper torrent
Are you melding vi's on every slot?
candid olive
yeah
spice comet
๐ค crit?
torn kindle
Maybe you're messing up a bit on rotation?
spice comet
Sounds like rotation
candid olive
brd dont have rotation
spice comet
5k on a dummy is easy
paper torrent
How is your song uptime and dot uptime
candid olive
i can start off a 5 to 6 k opener
topaz wolf
look at the bard pins
torn kindle
there's lots of subtle things like always pairing Raging with Barrage.
paper torrent
350 ilevel should hit 5k easily
topaz wolf
im sure there is something there that will help even tho ive heard its a memefest
spice comet
Brds have something, idk well enough to say but pretty sure since my static brd 5ks
grizzled seal
#brd_discussion monkaS
zinc vortex
#brd_discussion 
torn kindle
The pins in that channel
topaz wolf
its a memefest lmao but im sure there is something
candid olive
ones gotta search hard for this shit
scenic patrol
brd_discussion doesn't exist
paper torrent
Iirc isnt the mooglepost guide still up to datw
torn kindle
For O7S, as a mch, the opener strategy is simple:
1. Ask for a Shield pre pull, Shields last 30 seconds and the beam is in the first 10 seconds.
2. Stand away from the party so you have a less chance of being targeted.
3. Do your opener like normal, you lose a massive amount of DPS by working around that.
4. It is literally "Healers Adjust", and if your healers have half a brain they will understand.
You're right
topaz wolf
lol
torn kindle
the fucking MCH macros tho
๐ฏ ๐ ๐ฉ
Note to others: DON'T USE THESE FOR OBVIOUS REASONS
Except the Auto-turret one that is an ok macro
steady pebble
that makes me want to link the accursed pld/war macros
torn kindle
oh dear
torn kindle
oh no
HOLMGANG ON TOMAHAWK?
I just noticed that macro is called "WAR PULL"
"PLD HEAL"
Uses like 6 cooldowns at once
I'm ascending to heaven now
Kael when I die my cause of death will be these links you put here.
steady pebble
I take no blame
torn kindle
You're an accessory to murder.
Not even a good accessory. something like Det/DH or SkS/Det
steady pebble
wow, that's rude!
wanton star
how hard is it to get into the endgame when you start now? pretty much boned because I didn't start at expansion release?
wanton star
cool ๐ always played a tank in most games because I simply suck balls at dps in WoW and the like ๐ (I'm not fast enough with most abilities due to some health issues)
dull radish
a main patch with new content, then a catch-up patch, and then the main patch after that is like a reset with all new max item level gear and such
topaz wolf
the gcd is slow in this game
ull find it better for your health in that regard than WoW
vague karma
Since the Balance ignored me, can my SMN rotation be adjusted to make it better or nah? https://www.fflogs.com/reports/NtQGTjkAzymbM9rn#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=217
unreal flax
Couldn't tell you, myself. I don't have the caster brain. Melee only.
grizzled seal
that's a lot of ruin II
scenic patrol
Did you ask it in #smn_discussion or #smn_questions?
dull radish
they're getting some help in there now
first time someone had asked a question right after and that derailed them
but good now
scenic patrol
Analyzing logs takes time and experience, so it's not something that is done from moment to moment
Maybe next week I'll have Mox or Emiin look at muh logs
dull radish
well nah it's moreso the question was overlooked, and they reposted and now folks are looking into it, correcting opener, whatever else
scenic patrol
Happens 
dull radish
mhmm
wet stag
Honestly you can just compare it to another parse that cleared in close to the same time
Then check your eye uptime, IR casts, FC casts etc
See if you dropped combos
scenic patrol
Faye, I know where I screwed up this week, I don't need Mox to analyze me to know that getting scared of Head On and putting Prey on Antarctica is gonna hurt my DPS badly
And the fact that I was kidnapped and forced to waste IR on the chamber
opaque tide
I'd analyze my RDM logs but I kind of know where I fuck up already tbh
once you play RDM enough theres like only one or two things you fuck up on on ocassion and its pretty obvious when you do
might analyze my SMN logs though
I still need to improve alot on SMN to match my RDM
wet stag
!whologs @scenic patrol
storm frostBOT
wet stag
!whologs @wet stag
storm frostBOT
topaz wolf
cute
wet stag
I put prey on antartica tho
topaz wolf
the horror
wet stag
How many FCs did you lose
scenic patrol
In IR windows?
wet stag
Yeah
scenic patrol
Around 8
wet stag
wet stag
That 4k potency tho
scenic patrol
I lost 10 Fell Cleaves in the boss
wet stag
I think o5s parses still count damage on ghosts
scenic patrol
I have some stuff to work on
Anyhow
Also starting to track Trick Attack
Need to shift my play style from Pug to static style
I have a wonderful NIN and I want to abuse him
wet stag
That's why I play drk
unreal flax
Did O7N earlier. I hate having to teach WARs their position for chakras. That position is "not in the melee DPS spot"
I'm a MNK, b. You get ya bitch ass over in that corner and suck a noodle.
unreal flax
If the tank positions the boss in the wrong place, one melee will be under the boss, one melee will be at max melee range, and the tank will have their own separate spot. The WAR OTs I end up with think that the second melee spot will be theirs lmao.
Nah, we gon fail this mechanic together if you don't move ya fucking feet
That said, this is DF we're talking about. Reorienting the boss is a foreign concept.
AHHHHH THIS MNK. I'm watching him trying to meme Riddle of Wind into his opener.
mighty lantern
Are the riddles just more convoluted versions of the fist stances?
wet stag
Wasn't there an opener that involved TK that was a DPS gain
Also just make the melees pop true north
proven yarrow
how should i go about materia melding on my pld
hybrid rapids
DPS focus?
proven yarrow
i've been putting tenacity on it since i heard it was good?
proven yarrow
i guess it will change dependong on what im doing?
like im just looking to maybe prog o5s so tenacity sounds better
hybrid rapids
tenacity does help if you putting a lot
@proven yarrow o5s and o6s is possible without any meld
basically have to know the fight
they are doable at ilvl 340 if you are good
paper torrent
vit right side is super useful though
healer stress is already hella high this time around
proven yarrow
idk healing's pretty stressful i have a lot of respect for people who main it
woeful prawn
vit is super fucking good in o7s. being able to survive double ink and having higher raw hp for second airforce -> generic aoe
pure yoke
I do recommend full vit melds right side until you can clear the entire tier
proven yarrow
i was just putting tenacity on everything that wasnt capped...
pure yoke
more helps in prog
woeful prawn
more hp = bigger penis
proven yarrow
im getting 60k in raids so idk what to do really
boreal edge
the only points u need vit melds are
double inks ultros
survive missile or ray
airforce to aoe
boreal edge
o8s have no spot requires vit melds
hybrid rapids
tank can survive all action in 7s right?
pure yoke
it helps
boreal edge
yes
hybrid rapids
except rot exploded?
pure yoke
don't encourage people to prog without vit melds, especially if they have little to no tome/savage gear
hybrid rapids
spearya cleared 8s?
pure yoke
ultimas still hurt
boreal edge
not yet
hybrid rapids
ultimas is like fist in neo?
pure yoke
yeah
woeful prawn
ultima is like the generic aoe from o7 and o3
hybrid rapids
mega holy hits us like until less than 10%
hybrid rapids
5th is enrage?
pure yoke
no
paper torrent
When i was watching Wacih doing his o8s
hybrid rapids
ahh
pure yoke
@hybrid rapids https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BLYIhspRyHoe8cH73DISeC21HSmLtfAfG3leS2Kg52o/edit#gid=1207443239
hybrid rapids
man
paper torrent
they were getting shredded by ultima
hybrid rapids
that sounds tough
pure yoke
this is a rough timeline
unique wolf
why not
pure yoke
I had times where I survive with triple digit hp
paper torrent
so i can't imagine how hard it is without tomestome gear / aug tome
pure yoke
and I would be dead without vit melds
pure yoke
sounds about right
hybrid rapids
damage is constant right?
pure yoke
yeah
woeful prawn
no he chaincasts them at points in the fight
boreal edge
just generic aoe that deal 27k
boreal edge
he use 5 ultimas 30 secs be4 enrage yes
pure yoke
Unreal?
woeful prawn
he does ultima -> 8 man share and ultima ultima and ultima forsaken
hybrid rapids
unreal strategy
unique wolf
woeful prawn
past/future
pure yoke
oh
woeful prawn
i think its not a share actually. i just never seen anyone test it?
boreal edge
past forgotten future something
pure yoke
everyone wants to stack for it anyways
proven yarrow
idk if it helps for the vit meld stuff but my gear is like i352
boreal edge
if u are that low yes
pure yoke
saved my ass multiple times
woeful prawn
tanks cant meld vit so whatever
boreal edge
vit required drops as u get higher ilvl
proven yarrow
.
pure yoke
atleast your right side is bis
paper torrent
pentamelds XD
pure yoke
for tanks, only way to get more hp is by stacking ilvl on left side
should be fine
it's mainly healer/dps concern
for vit melds
proven yarrow
i need to learn o5s for better gear i guess
paper torrent
o5s isn't too bad, it's no aite rote but once you understand the mechanics it's just a matter of not hitting enrage
i find that healers who pay attention to the mitigation their cohealer uses often succeed
proven yarrow
i dont even remember last time where i got to
paper torrent
at least from a healing aspect portion
proven yarrow
but i always mess up at the stack marker + knockback ghost?
idk i have to watch a video
proven yarrow
i am the pld
unique wolf
@hybrid rapids you need strat for o8s?
hybrid rapids
@unique wolf i'm aiming to clear 7s today, will study 8s on weekend
have to farm ultimate tomorrow
unique wolf
hybrid rapids
but yea, appreciate
unique wolf
ye our strats are good
hybrid rapids
if you can provide one
naisu
i am not doing with static tho
more on PUGs
but can be a good reference
unique wolf
o
ya idk what u guys are gonna do then
some JP dudes copied what we did in prog tho
they made a clip in japanese
hybrid rapids
they copied some from you guys
unique wolf
thats our strat
pure yoke
because it looks like a cross
unique wolf
pure yoke
in action
unique wolf
mine is me
hybrid rapids
you draw it?
unique wolf
na its a commission
unique wolf
paper torrent
i need BIS to begin with
hybrid rapids
praying can clear 7s today
unique wolf
i'm only i654 on my monk
pure yoke
jesus
unique wolf
er i364
pure yoke
nice ilvl tiff
unique wolf
hybrid rapids
8s
man, luckily this time i don't have a lot savage accessories in my BiS list
accessories is the pain part to gather all
unique wolf
poverty
tame sedge
Just gwt 350 for now
boreal edge
my progression will slow down in next reset
for 1 month
our drg going to nippon
vacation
1 of us will play by his char
pure yoke
I hope we get a new mch
boreal edge
resulting of killing o5s-o7s twice every reset
for page
also teach the filler drg o7s and o8s
if all go smooth
o8s will be down at 9th reset
as earliest
boreal edge
if deltascape to be reference of anything
sigmascape should be unlocked 6 weeks be4 4.4
hybrid rapids
accessories also 8 pages...
boreal edge
4
boreal edge
upgrades items also 4
boreal edge
in 6th week
i357 for o8s is about right
unless u got luck of devil with drops
you could be past i360 by now
boreal edge
@hybrid rapids by sound terrible you mean how slow our prog will get?
boreal edge
we are at 6th rest atm
so u got 7 more reset
- 2 more resets at 4.3
so 9 resets total
4050 tomes
excluding current reset
wet stag
I'm hoping they buff tank accs in 4.25
pure yoke
why wouldn't you be fully bis from the start of ultimate?
wet stag
So 370 will actually be bis
paper torrent
oh fuck penta melds
wet stag
Intead of crafted pentamelded
paper torrent
such a horseshit system
wet stag
I'm poorboye
unique wolf
lol, if they wanted to do that they woudlve done so this tier
and the difference isnt that great
wet stag
It's like 100dps
pure yoke
hey makes tanks easy to get bis
wet stag
Yeah
paper torrent
it can be bis when world first progs happen but fuck that noise of it eing just good period
unique wolf
and it doesn matter unless you are a speedrunner
wet stag
I mean if I wanna clear ultimate every bit helps yeah
hybrid rapids
not sure can clear 8s or not within this week
wet stag
Look at me talking about ultimate when I can't even clear o7s
unique wolf
you dont need dps to clear ultimate, you need to do mechanics
scenic patrol
The thing is, difference between penta melded tanks and 350 regular accessories tanks is freaking massive
scenic patrol
About 400 DPS difference
wet stag
I thought ultimate would have tight dps checks too
unique wolf
thats a difference for every class
unique wolf
the dps checks arent that tight in ultimate
boreal edge
tbh ultimate dps check was very tight
hybrid rapids
DPS check ain't hard
boreal edge
we dont have meta
hybrid rapids
so it won't skip last tank buster before bahamut
unique wolf
but if your group cant clear savage in the first week i dont think theres a realistic chance that you cab clear ultimate
why do you need to wait
hybrid rapids
it's not necessary to clear tho imo
unique wolf
you can do calamity with lb2
wet stag
Tfw puglife
boreal edge
u got 11 weeks to clear ultimate
hybrid rapids
some people are satisfied to reach certain part
boreal edge
took us 2 weeks to reach 1st trio
unique wolf
honestly the fight doesnt even start until bahamut
hybrid rapids
for example ultimate coils, a lot casual friends was satisfied once they reached bahamut
boreal edge
then we stopped
hybrid rapids
doesn't plan to do more
nael was hard for them
a lot JP players using PS4
no trigger
nael might take some time to practice
unique wolf
its pretty dumb to make mechanics based on text cues
pure yoke
especially obtuse rp dialouge
unique wolf
i hope they dont do that next time
hybrid rapids
i hate those teleport mechanic
pure yoke
with the text telegraph
unique wolf
from the fiery moon i descend 
pure yoke
O red moon, shine the path to conquest!
unique wolf
hybrid rapids
tbh, nael sounds like a weeb
pure yoke
From red moon I descend, upon burning earth to tread!
hybrid rapids
and she is the only noisy one
pure yoke
I forgot to resub to tiff
hybrid rapids
twintania and bahamut don't talk
pure yoke
hybrid rapids
do we have any text-based mechanics in alex?
unique wolf
streams starting back to regular hours
hybrid rapids
no right?
pure yoke
enjoy your packet of ramen noodles
unique wolf
boreal edge
took us 2 hours to kill twintania
pure yoke
with my sub money
hybrid rapids
i didn't do a4s or a8s
boreal edge
and 2 weeks at nael
unique wolf
ramen 
pure yoke
vital bolt
people autopilot a4s
A little too much at times so you can still wipe at the very last minute if the DPS are 
hybrid rapids
a4s had dps issue because people was using suicide strat
So you have to be good in dps
shadow pollen
unreal flax
Wait a fucking second. DRG is top melee DPS right now? What the fuck is this tier doing with gear?
dull radish
it's the most common but not the highest performing
paper torrent
10% vul on a 60 second cooldown is hte dumbest shit ever invented
sullen sable
I'd say disembowel is worse
unreal flax
I thought I had all bosses selected. No, I was just looking at o5S parses at the time.
DRG's the highest melee on that fight, but not the others.
woeful prawn
how do you survive head on in o5s as nontank
dull radish
a lot of mitigation
unreal flax
Lol Cover
dull radish
a lot
severe notch
^
dull radish
assuming you want to apply head on directly to the forehead
steep iris
run
severe notch
I do
spice comet
U mitigate
unreal flax
I'mma use Fists of Earth lmao
steep iris
people with puddles go to the corners while people without the puddles stack in the middle
woeful prawn
i did that for normal brit
spice comet
woeful prawn
works perfectly
unreal flax
BUILT IN TANK STANCE BAYBEEE
spice comet
Thats how u survive head on
steep iris
so nobody gets hit by the puddles
unreal flax
Wait. Head-on is physical, right?
dull radish
yes
unreal flax
F
dull radish
Feint~
unreal flax
DAS RIGHT
spice comet
Super mitigate ๐
unreal flax
I actually still have Feint on my MNK bar right now because I keep forgetting to swap in Arm's Length (I haven't taken MNK into savage yet)
dull radish
oh?
sullen sable
In before it gets double posted in an hour
Guide to doing head on cheese:
deploy(conva+minne)+veil+shake
reprisal, feint (+ sacred soil for added safety but not required)
melee max range while still maintaining uptime for a bit of extra safety
Save surecast for headon NOT diabolic wind ghost
melee range tornado + healer ranged tornado both on the left. (melee can all eat tornado its fine)
If caster/ranged dps gets tornado they should be between melee left side group and healer tornado
healer tornado scary because physical damage of headon will do more
healer needs to be behind 2nd block "line" or they're too close
mechanic becomes braindead if there's critlo as everyone will live unless tornadoes stack.
dull radish
critlo is so cozy for that
dull radish
everyone just started playing it extra safe for me since we started doing it
and I get like
palisade
eternal sand
What's the best to meld onto armor these days o.O
mighty shale
does that mean i don't have to run to the back?