spoiler-chat

[buoyant idol]

means it's a fragment of the thing, it still has to be crafted after you buy it

[long vessel]

gotcha - tysm. was hoping it was indicative of whether i had it or not but i s’pose i’ll have everything eventually!

[worldly jewel]

Nothin more than it's a phoenix iirc

[normal mist]

interesting

[uneven cave]

Its inside the mines

The map level up and down is WIP so its either inside nearest dungeon or the mines

[spiral rampart]

Is 30 the max level for a weapon?

sorry, max rank?

[quiet junco]

It is yes

[spiral rampart]

ty

not sure why I expected to be able to sell a rank 30 weapon for more than arank 0, but alas lol

[frail remnant]

[fluid hatch]

huh, that'd be an interesting way to hint to people to max rank a weapon before selling it

[dusky cradle]

I was trying to write a long text and I mess it up XD

I was wondering 2 things:
1- Is Alca the name of the world and Midrath the name of the island or I'm missing something?
2- There's somewhere already some kind of Ode glyphs translator or something alike? I really love the glyph they use

[fluid hatch]

1. Yes
2. Also yes

[nimble plover]

any idea what this is? 🙂

[rich ingot]

Looks like the 2 person dungeon

Both plates need to be activated to open the door

[nimble plover]

there is a 2 person dungeon now?

[rich ingot]

Has been for a bit

Nobody really runs it though

[nimble plover]

ah, thanks. 🙂 just randomly found this and have been trying to throw my weapon hoping it would activate the other stone piece. 😄

[rich ingot]

Orengall and Sirin used to be able to trigger it due to being able to make 2 Envoys, not sure if they'd still work

[worldly jewel]

Didnt need to last time i went to it yesterday

Could just go straight in

[rich ingot]

Was that for a faction tale?

[nimble plover]

You must have had it unlocked already or someone in your party did it for you without you knowing….. because the stairwell down to the door is not visible for me.

[pulsar orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[worldly jewel]

Nope. Hadn't been in a party, hadn't done a faction tale that would've taken me to it, just ran to it and it was open

[rich ingot]

Huh. They might have changed it then!

[worldly jewel]

[river skiff]

Where's that dungeon?

[zinc drum]

Occasionally enemies will open it, I think I still have a recording somewhere of it happening

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HBUv-HXp6I

If it's a marked dungeon, it should be this one towards the north east

[river skiff]

Ohh, just another Dermak entrance, okay.

[hidden iris]

Yeah I have seen that one get opened many a times by the Ode'n folk there

So do you all think Bayor will be the 'Stalker' of this game? Hunting us down with Nightling?

[normal mist]

wives?

[unreal flame]

oh yeah i noticed that too

mans got game

probably all those swords hes got

it is interesting to me how they're thought to resemble something though, implying they're man-made

or whatever the corruption is was made to grow them

[quiet junco]

It resembles the gowns not the wives

[grave seal]

Could also mean Synod is Henry VIII

[lost sinew]

He's basically our god 🙂

[grave seal]

You know I can't put my finger on why I simply cannot bring myself to trust your word

[copper vector]

replaying the first quest. who is this dude again

[fluid hatch]

Grandfa, your grandfather

[worldly jewel]

technically

[copper vector]

makes sense

[quiet junco]

Unclear if bloodrelated at this time

[unreal flame]

when do we fight him. i need his cape

[uncut condor]

I need the eyepatch. My envoy looks too...green...

[dusty drift]

He's definitely not blood related

[quiet junco]

I wouldn't say definitely, no reason we can't have a crazy Fey grandad living somewhere else in Midrath

[dusty drift]

||The Envoy's mother sends them away in a basket, they drift down a river, and Doyen finds them. If he was their actual grandfather you'd think a servant would just bring him the basket...||

Idk why I put that in spoilers

[quiet junco]

Could very easily be paternal grandfather whose Fey son is no longer around to be our father, with mom going "Ok well the Ode are invading so put the kid in a basket and their crazy magic grandad will probably find them with magic and beavers"

It could very well be an adoptive situation as well but I don't think it's clear either way, personally the matching arms make me lean to maybe it IS a blood relation

[dusty drift]

Don't all envoys have the blue fey arm though? I thought that was their defining trait.

[pulsar orchid]

we don't know for certain yet, as the only envoys we've seen bare arms of are ourself and Doyen

[quiet junco]

Even if they do, considering the Fey arm seems ancestral us and Doyen both having it would point to a blood relation still, I mean he literally says "Us blue bloods"

[pulsar orchid]

We haven't seen Pothia or Josalfar's bare arms technically, unless the wyld arms are bare but we're not entirely sure whether their characters have been retconned as a whole if DE never mention their names again

And if Fenn Jotar is an envoy using mora's pact (and it's not just that he himself channels mora's magick directly with his mitts and chains) then we don't yet know whether he shares the same blue arm

[quiet junco]

Fenn being Fey would make sense as he definitely IS a blood relation, the Knightmaidens are descendant from the Jotar clan

[dusty drift]

Wait who tf are Pothia and Josalfar? I thought the only envoys we knew about were the Envoy, Doyen, and Bayor

[quiet junco]

Pothia and Josalfar are the names of the characters that are now Tethren and Sirin

[pulsar orchid]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Pothia and https://wiki.avakot.org/Josalfar

[quiet junco]

Concept names

Unclear if they are still different characters or the names have changed

[dusty drift]

I thought Tethren and Sirin were fey

[pulsar orchid]

Not necessarily; Tethren, Oscelda and Sirin are the fey themselves

We don't know yet what a 'Wyld Tethren', previously known as Pothia, actually is

Is it an envoy using the pact of the ancient fey tethren? Or is it meant to be tethren and wyld just means... original form? Or given a gift by Alora and thus into her wyld form? DE have not confirmed

[quiet junco]

It's an "Is this lore or is this pre-alpha" situation

Like how Avakot says "Aurora" is the Fey Empress, but "Alora" is the character shown now

[dusty drift]

I thought that the base Tethren, Sirin, and Oscelda pacts describe followers of those original fey, and the Wylds embody the fey themselves. Like their original gear.

[quiet junco]

Are those two characters, or did they change the name and Avakot's lines need updating still

We just don't know

[uncut condor]

Nah, take the "devs can do nothing wrong" approach, apply "less than 12 parsecs" patch, and bully the lore into making sense in it's current state.

[dusty drift]

Also you mention Doyen potentially having a "fey son" but do we even have any indication that being an envoy is hereditary?

I thought some people on Alca are just randomly born with blue arms

[quiet junco]

Unclear but considering the focus on ancestry in the game and the mention of blood when it comes to Fey I assumed it's an "Your great grandma got busy with a Fey" deal

And not to lean on tropes but "You're a lost royal scion who has magical ancestors" is quite a common fantasy beat

[dusty drift]

But from what I understand the fey disappeared a long time ago

[quiet junco]

Well I said great grandma as shorthand I more meant great great great great... etc

[dusty drift]

Oh yeah

I'm curious to learn more about the history of the fey and the felling

[karmic socket]

hmm... can i get like a vague hint on where to find Orengall quest? all ik is its apparently in the Northeast?

[uncut condor]

Northwest of the 'spawn' area, past one black wall. Have fun looking over there

[uncut condor]

I apologize, I just checked the wiki to make sure my hint was useful. It's not. You have to find a note first before checking that area.

[karmic socket]

all good. didnt realize there was a note involved

[pulsar orchid]

keep an eye out for a red balloon, there you'll find the note

[karmic socket]

i was hoping to find it myself but ye its like hidden hidden

hmm... i think ive seen those before. too small for seiges tho

[pulsar orchid]

yup different balloons

[karmic socket]

oh goodness gracious

i walked right past it

thanks guys

Real talk tho those notes are tricky. I assumed I was looking for a whole entire wolf in chains, exactly like what spawns after finding a note

[unreal flame]

im curious, do we know what gruul are

im assuming some fey ancestry

[austere robin]

its a type of food

but nah, its a sort-of 'derogatory' name which basically means slop.
-# and since we're a mutt of human and fey, it makes sense

or Alcan in Soulframe's case for humans

[zinc drum]

I would say it's roughly equivalent to Vay Hek calling us tenno scum, and just made to sound derogatory as kuzorvil already mentioned.

[unreal flame]

even the townspeople call us gruul :(

the ode seem to have been around for a while

[quiet junco]

I seem to remember Steve saying the desire eventually is for Orengall in chains to just be findable in the world without needing the note trigger, not sure if that's still the plan

[karmic socket]

Feels like that would make more sense. That or if they stick with notes* they ought to put them on tables or something that stand out a bit more prominently. I keep finding em on those mini black chests and the lids* to those almost cover the note entirely once opened

[quiet junco]

I think Orlick will have more of a role with guiding Envoys to the various Fables in future, makes more sense than the notes

[karmic socket]

True. That would be huge

I just hope for more relevance for Orlick in general. Like imagine for each area (imagining later on when the current map is just but a tutorial island) finding more motes allows him to start marking more things in the map. Like after fully mote-ing out enough cities he starts marking agari locations then after more he notes stags and undercity entrances and whatnot

[stone relic]

AAAAAAAAA. This is one of the best ideas i've read. someone @ a dev lul.

[rich ingot]

Or just post it in #1438224662344761345

Seeing as pinging a dev unprompted is against the rules, and that they do read the feedback channel, it might be a better plan

[unreal flame]

been going through an old steve stream and he did mention theres big stuff coming for orlick

[karmic socket]

Huh… maybe I should

[full jasper]

Hi everyone, how can I change the gender or appearance of a character that's already been created?

[jolly coral]

yeh because the townspeople are brainwashed by the spellsong

[glass kelp]

I don't think you can change gender nor most of the appearance atm but I believe next update is the one that should be bringing the updated character customization

[worldly jewel]

Still to be seen what all that's gonna include tho

[shrewd wadi]

after doing the she-wolf-lady's quest, there's the puppy you choose to hang out with in your hub. mine's been around for a few days, and then disappeared. did i do something wrong, or is this normal?

[pulsar orchid]

are you sure it disappeared, or is it hanging out with orlick/tuvalkane?

[shrewd wadi]

my puppy is back ❤️ thank you

all dread and concern was not warrented

[hidden iris]

@shrewd wadi when I replayed that fable, my pup had disappeared from my tent as well.

I actually had no idea it was on replay until a few days later when I incidentally ran through the quest area.

[shrewd wadi]

that was me going through the deer fable. I was trying to do alca quests, and forgot I'd replayed the deer. at which point, my G-pigeon kept pointing me toward a direction that was not the alca quests.

it was confusing for about a day and a half lol

[shrewd wadi]

I found one plate in the undercity. how do I open this?

[unreal flame]

try looking around in soul sight

around the room

[shrewd wadi]

I did. All four corners. found nothing except for boards to break, and a stone button underneath

no worries though. laptop is overheating so had to quit the game

[unreal flame]

tbh it was just a guess, i know i did that before but i don't remember how

or i think i did? i know one of orengall's pups was in that room. maybe i never opened it

[finite tree]

So that one is a multi-step process:

1. find a side floorboard made of wood and break and click button that was exposed.
2. the upper section rooms are now open. Find the lever.
3. go to the table (as seen in image) which will now move and press button.
4. follow the stairs up and across to the lil treasure room.

[blissful scarab]

Can someone send a screenshot of a tree and crypt location

[unreal flame]

yea what do you need

[blissful scarab]

The dungeons

The one that's a tree and a crypt

[unreal flame]

huh?

not sure what youre asking

[blissful scarab]

There's dungeons all over the map but i only have one crypt and tree biome

[unreal flame]

i still don't know what you're asking

[blissful scarab]

There's the under city the fields of andurin crypts and the tree one

[unreal flame]

you want to location of a crypt near a tree?

right next to the fort

[blissful scarab]

I wanted any other crypt unless that's the only one

[unreal flame]

im so lost

[whole needle]

You might be better off looking at an interactive map

[unreal flame]

theres 3 but thats the only one on the map

[whole needle]

I’m also confused

[unreal flame]

yeah the avatot map might help

[fluid hatch]

https://soulmap.avakot.org/P12

[blissful scarab]

The tree area is like the dungeon you fight the bear in

[fluid hatch]

Neath'uns

[unreal flame]

OH

[blissful scarab]

Neathuns

[unreal flame]

wait but a crypt?

[blissful scarab]

Im just seeing if there's only one crypt and one root area

[fluid hatch]

Crypt of the Circade

[unreal flame]

yeah but what about it

[whole needle]

I think he’s just asking if there are more like that

[fluid hatch]

there's 3 entrances for each of those iirc

[blissful scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-24534315

[fluid hatch]

no need to be rude, people are trying to help

[unreal flame]

im sorry im trying

[blissful scarab]

Im getting frustrated too now im sorry

[fluid hatch]

that's perfectly valid

[unreal flame]

i thought there were only 2 neath'uns?

[blissful scarab]

So are they all called the same thing then?

[fluid hatch]

soulmap says there's 4 neath'uns apparently

but yeah if you use the search bar in the link I sent it should give you the entrances

[unreal flame]

yeah. well, crypt and neath'uns are 2 diff things

[blissful scarab]

The root areas are called neathuns and crypts are circade

?

[fluid hatch]

full name of the crypts is Crypt of the Circade

[unreal flame]

crypt of the circade yeah

[blissful scarab]

I don't wanna keep doing the same crypt and neathuns they spawn me on the other side of the map

Tho I guess i should be teleporting back to the start

[fluid hatch]

if you exit back out of the entrance you'll be back where you were

[unreal flame]

ohhh okok i see

[fluid hatch]

otherwise yeah it puts you out at a random dungeon entrance

[unreal flame]

well the one i showed, next to the fort is the best one for that

[fluid hatch]

you can also right-click on the map in-game to put a waypoint down, it'll show up on your compass too

[blissful scarab]

I hope they add fast travel between world trees eventually

[unreal flame]

because the exit is right there

we have fast travel

[blissful scarab]

How

[whole needle]

.. have I been not using fast travel this whole time

[blissful scarab]

I feel like running through a dungeon is like fast travel like using nether portals to teleport in Minecraft

[fluid hatch]

now that you've beaten the waste bear, there should be a tree in a jar in your nightfold next to Virminia's little island

[unreal flame]

have you done the bear

[whole needle]

Yes

[unreal flame]

then yeah

[whole needle]

Bro what

[fluid hatch]

he asked about neath'uns so most likely

[unreal flame]

lol. i dont blame you, its easy to miss

[whole needle]

I’ve been running from corner to corner lmaooo

[fluid hatch]

once you collect a Wevetseed from that tree in a jar you can click and hold on a world tree or faction enclave entrance to fast travel there

[unreal flame]

they just made it a little easier to see

[fluid hatch]

a new seed grows every 12 hours

[blissful scarab]

So fast traveling costs seeds?

[whole needle]

So you can choose one tree to be able to travel to, every 12hrs?

[unreal flame]

no

[fluid hatch]

or stock up on them, I have over 30 seeds

[unreal flame]

every 12 hours, you get 1-3 seeds

and they do stack if you dont use them. up to 100

[blissful scarab]

That is an intense fast travel

[whole needle]

Okay so you can fast travel to any world tree, but it’s limited?

Just trying to make sure I understand

[blissful scarab]

Yes

[fluid hatch]

and your faction entrance, yesh

[blissful scarab]

Does faction cost seed too?

[whole needle]

So you can fast travel, what, 3 times per 12hrs?

[unreal flame]

well the tree always makes more. every 12 hrs

1-3. so sometimes, 1, 2 or 3

[whole needle]

I see

Man I’m excited for mounts

[unreal flame]

yeah

its hard not to play orengall

[whole needle]

Haven’t unlocked it yet so I’ve not that luxury yet haha

[blissful scarab]

I'd probably play the fire class if i could find it unless you need to pay for that one for now

[unreal flame]

ah, yeah. its really nice to have that one

[whole needle]

No you just have to level up the faction

[fluid hatch]

Hand of Mora? That's only available at rank 5 Kith of Kings enclave

sorry, Mora's Hand*

[unreal flame]

theres no pact you need to pay for but the wyld ones

[blissful scarab]

How do i even join that i picked up 10 medallions but i can't do anything with them

[whole needle]

The entrance is blocked by a spirit of a knight that appears at night

Wait until night outside the door and kill the knight

[blissful scarab]

Killed it already

[fluid hatch]

you picked up medallion fragments, you need to make them at your blacksmith using Sacred Shimmer, a resource you can only buy from your current faction

[whole needle]

Ah

Do founders get the medallions automatically or something? I don’t remember having to craft it

In fact I think I unlocked the faction before I even unlocked smithing lol

[fluid hatch]

you start with one of the three required talisman depending on your starting class

[blissful scarab]

Does anyone play with a dualsense I've been having a problem with soulframe where it won't keep my monitor awake while playing

[whole needle]

That makes sense

[fluid hatch]

Tethren gets Kith of Kings, Oscelda gets Alca's Children, and Sirin gets Silent Rose

[blissful scarab]

That doesn't seem fair if one unlocks a pact

[fluid hatch]

hmm?

[whole needle]

All of them unlocks pacts no?

[fluid hatch]

yeah, Silent Rose and Alca's Children get Ode Tempest available to buy at rank 5

[whole needle]

Ode tempest has been very fun for me so far

I spent arc (or whatever the currency is called) just because I was impatient

[unreal flame]

nah i get this tbh. but im sure later the other ones will get pacts too

they all get ode, but only teth has mora

[fluid hatch]

if Kith gets Ode Tempest, the wiki's incorrect

[unreal flame]

ohh maybe kith does not

[whole needle]

It doesn’t

Kith only gets Mora

I feel they’ll leave ode to avokot and swap the rose one’s pact to a new one

[fluid hatch]

personally I'm hoping for Alca's Children to get the new pact, for the ultimate in all pacts: Avakot Pact

[whole needle]

Maybe
I just feel like Ode fits Alfa’s better because it’s magic based

Give Avakot a pact and all the abilities are just regatta related

One ability is just throwing the game board

[fluid hatch]

I feel like it fits Silent Rose better, since using your enemy's own weapon / abilities against them is very in-line with sabotage / guerilla tactics

[whole needle]

That’s fair

[fluid hatch]

plus since the Silent Rose leader is Lady Deora

[whole needle]

I’ve yet to visit the silent rose

[fluid hatch]

since she worked for the Ode for a bit there

[whole needle]

I’m out of the lore loop

What exactly is the Ode

[fluid hatch]

our enemy

https://wiki.avakot.org/Ode

[whole needle]

No, I know that 😭

[blissful scarab]

Oriken but actually around

[whole needle]

Are they led by something I mean

[fluid hatch]

yeah, you meet them in The Waste Bear

[whole needle]

Ah

[fluid hatch]

combined with all the Sinecure saying "In Synod's name" and the like

[whole needle]

I see

I didn’t realize synod was like
The big guy
I thought he might’ve been like a “general” or something

[unreal flame]

we dont 100% know i dont think. years from now maybe there will be a new big bad

but yeah he seems like hes the top

[quick bobcat]

He calls himself "Lord Synod" and is the head of the Ode Cult.

[blissful scarab]

how do i make this statue move

[unreal flame]

you have to bring a knight ghost in LOS with it

there should have been one in that room. did you kill it?

[blissful scarab]

Probably

[unreal flame]

yeah then you cant, unlkess you can find another one and bring it there

[blissful scarab]

The phantoms or one of the knights

[unreal flame]

the knights

i dont think the phantoms work

[blissful scarab]

Are crypt keys for blue flower chests inside crypts or something else

[unreal flame]

they are for getting in

so yeah no need to worry about keys ever

[jolly coral]

he's on a Pokemon rampage to collect all Omen Beasts

that's all we know rn

[pulsar orchid]

He is a lord, so there may be higher ranks above him and the sinecure are just his personal army - or lord may be the highest rank in Ode society - we don't know for sure yet

[jolly coral]

imagine if we get competing Ode'n houses and their militaries fighting for Alca's land instead of separate factions

game of thrones but aliens

[hidden iris]

SO I did the Circade puzzle last night

holy moly that thing was awesome

[unreal flame]

You mean the room and not the sequence to get into the room, right?

[vestal plover]

I just want to be able to beat up Mada. I already hate them 🤣

[hidden iris]

In regards to the one guy who made a video a long time ago, kudos. Big freaking kudos.

[golden summit]

When is the Alpha coming to PS5?

[fluid hatch]

from the FAQ

[worldly jewel]

so expect probably a couple years

[quiet junco]

I wouldn't be surprised if we left Preludes in 2026 personally, or early 2027

Not for full release, but maybe a Beta stage

[mystic spire]

We just lose the P and enter reludes

[worldly jewel]

and then we're just gonna elude

[silver sluice]

Anyone know where to farm Witan?

[fluid hatch]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Witan

[silver sluice]

Ahh ty ty 🙏

[maiden osprey]

3-code

Warframe skins

[proud scaffold]

Please do NOT ask for codes in this discord server.

Please refer to this guide on how to correctly obtain a key: #envoy-gathering message

[stone relic]

lul

[urban dagger]

Hi any Dev here pls?

or support?

[river skiff]

If this is for an in-game issue, https://support.soulframe.com

[worldly jewel]

what do you need a dev or support for? 👀

[wanton sphinx]

Did the bear fight… floppet is now my new favourite thing

[unreal flame]

DE really messed up making floppet one of the earliest guides

theres just no reason to spend money on another

[shadow storm]

Floppet cosmetics 🤔

[rocky hatch]

Floppet with a lil tutu

[zinc drum]

Need a floppet with the sword as the founders guide.

[shadow storm]

In knight armor

[oak sedge]

Top hat

[rocky hatch]

Awww ratty

I used to have mice with an ex, they were lovely lil stinky guys.

[austere robin]

i think we need a squirrel-poppet guide with a lil hat like on my profile banner

[mystic spire]

this emote is just amazing, poor thing went through a lot that quest

[shrewd wadi]

this is the first time, in a game, where the quest says not to find a person, but then specifically points to the location that they are encouraging you vehemently to find them

it gave me a giggle

[fluid hatch]

It's just being very clear about where exactly you should NOT go

[zenith ridge]

Who is this dude just sitting there?

Oh...

Well, I found out how to activate him lol

Aaaand I beat him :3

[mystic spire]

He’s the Mendicant King

[karmic socket]

On that note, in New Viscii (bottom left corner iirc), there’s another throne with a bell and everything but no Mendicant King. Was there supposed to be 2? Maybe like a planned variant?

[high raptor]

does thy floppeth sheath a bejeweled sword or nay

[unreal flame]

nay :(

[high raptor]

he can spawn there too

[high raptor]

they needa add the armed floppet later on imo for everyone. mayb having a paragon blueprint from a founder as a part needed

for some reason you can already craft birds 😭

[karmic socket]

He… ”can”? So he isn’t always guaranteed to show up where he does? Like have I just been lucky finding him in the same spot every time I go there to look?

I only find him in Stroaic, far bottom left corner

But I find him there every time

[high raptor]

my suspicion is he spawns wherever u go first cos thats my experience asw

[karmic socket]

Huh. Weird

[unreal flame]

he cant

maybe in an earlier version

[graceful grotto]

(Warframe spoiler)
I just got thanked for being lazy xD

[rich ingot]

He used to be able to spawn there, he seems to no longer do so af of being made a Mendicant and having his timer adjusted to 3h (which has since been reduced to 30m)

[rare slate]

Who mogs

[austere robin]

^ this is peak mog, especially since he is a character in Digital Extremes new slower paced RPG game, Soulframe. -unlike these two gentlemen you posted in the #spoiler-chat channel in the Soulframe discord server.

[split shell]

I’ve been waiting for the key for so long. It’s probably been a month already.

[fluid hatch]

there's a devstream planned for around 30 Jan, if you have your Twitch account linked in your Soulframe account settings you can get a guaranteed key for watching the devstream

[split shell]

So long again 😞

[fluid hatch]

I assure you that you aren't going to get a pity code out of me with an act like that.

[worldly jewel]

a month is... on the lower end of what people have had to wait

[fiery solstice]

Wtf Is mog pls explain to a boomer I am so lost

[fiery solstice]

Lol I waited 1 year are u kidding

[fluid hatch]

it's when clowns who think they're physically attractive attempt to express dominance over other clowns, usually via a selfie with a comically stupid expression

[rich ingot]

This seems off topic, let's get back on track!

[split shell]

I’ll keep waiting.

[desert stump]

i dont mind the spoier since i need help but is there a quests after freeing the bear i my journal is blank im guessing im supposed to run into one but im not sure where ive been all over the map doing the silent rose quests

[worldly jewel]

The Waste Bear is the newest and technically the last fable in the game atm.
so if you have 8 fables in your Journals Fables tab, that's all of em.

[desert stump]

@quick bobcat they are fighting the bear and i keeps saying this

[quick bobcat]

They will need to relog and start that part of the fable over after you join them.

[fair vale]

What was that vision if the guy with the seed about

[hidden iris]

The one with the giant floaty purple guy?

[fair vale]

The one with the weird pale headed guy kneeling down

In the bear quest

[hidden iris]

OH, that is Bayor. They are an envoy like you, but in the service of Synod. Bayor also has a part to play in the Orengall quest if you havent done that yet.

[fair vale]

I did but months ago

What was that all about tho

[worldly jewel]

Was that not us back when we were still taken by the ode?

[tribal relic]

does vardagar stag also have a cooldown like other agaris btw?

[ancient harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK31HFK8BsA Can anyone explain to me how this guy has a bow as a secondary weapon? Or is it a pact ability?

[high raptor]

i was waiting around year before i got mine vro

[austere robin]

looks like he is using Sirin

[ancient harbor]

but syrin doesn't let you summon a bow

[glass kelp]

It looks like an old build of the game and the bow looks like the current sirin bow which from what I understand used to be a idol power so it's probably that

Since I didn't play I'm just going off what I occasionally see here but idol power were basically an ultimate in league/marvel rivels and all that

[ancient harbor]

So Sirin allowed you to summon a bow in the first preludes? That would have been handy since I have the foundation package with Sirin 🥲

[glass kelp]

Sirin didn't exist they just repurposed the asset from the idol power as the sirin bow since idol powers were removed

I assume this is back enough in builds to be the fey pact that was later split up for sirin/tethren/oscelda

[ancient harbor]

ooh I see! make sense thanks xD

[worldly jewel]

Not really but unless you relog, it's 1 spawn per night but it can also be found at the end of faction tales and there's no spawn limit for that one

[glass kelp]

I thought they fixed the relog for more stags

[worldly jewel]

Havent tried in a looooooooooong time tbf

[glass kelp]

I tried when I realized they are the only source for blessed quicksilver and it didn't work for me

Or it was for a feybalt? Can't remember anymore, didn't end up reforging neither a bow or magic weapon

[spark snow]

Anyone have verminia disappear in the nightfold and leave a note??

[glass kelp]

Go find her

||it's part of a mini quest she gives that unlocks hard mode||

[spark snow]

I'm guessing she is in the top right of the map but I'm not sure

[glass kelp]

The guide should show you the way

[spark snow]

Ahhhh I didn't get a quest prompt

[karmic socket]

If it’s not showing for you, relog

I also didn’t get a quest marker or anything the first time around

[spark snow]

Tbf it happened last night, I'm in work ATM so should be fine when I pop on later, cheers

[karmic socket]

Actually yea. Same exact story for me when I found the quest lol

[austere robin]

woah, you're the little person inside the ATM machine that hands out money?! thats so cool!

[quiet junco]

This is an older version of the game where the player is using the Fey Pact. Fey was split into the current 3 starter classes.

Pacts used to have a 4th ability called an Idol power, Fey let you summon a bow that shot energy bolts, Ode had a lightning cannon, etc... those powers are what are now the Rune system

[meager minnow]

are you able to obtain other pacts via grinding or only via the shop?

[worldly jewel]

All gear is grindable

Except for founders stuff but even those are mostly just for the time being founder packs only

[mystic spire]

Yup, the only things that can't be farmed are Slots, like Weapon, Pact, and Loadout, and Moonsteel Thread which is the Transmog item.

as well as Icons/Glyphs, but again, mostly cosmetics/QoL is behind a wall.

you could always sell your weapons, but I'm a collector

[proud scaffold]

@rare slate Please stay on topic when talking in this server (Quaility Standards, RULE 4 #server-rules ).

Your recent posts have nothing to do with soulframe.

[quick bobcat]

Guh... Are we sure the cogah bow rune drops from Ruthos? 100+ cogah kills on this guy and nothing.

[mystic spire]

yup

just unlucky, the RNGods do not favor you 😔

[glass kelp]

Think it has one more drop source, check the wiki one of the dungeon bosses might also drop it

Abysmal rng but with double the chance at least it's easier

[rich ingot]

Nope, Torrent is Ruthos only

[glass kelp]

ah mb then, remembered most cogah runes have one overworld and one dungeon boss

[rich ingot]

Only a few.

Durglint has like five drop sources

[quick bobcat]

Don't give the RNG an ego.

[quick bobcat]

No. Wiki says only Ruthos drops it.

[mystic spire]

Conceptually Embodies an actual God of RNG, because you told me not to.

[quick bobcat]

(watches it fail, because humans are incapable of fully conceptulizing God).

[mystic spire]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-sad-explode-gif-15295996165959499721

Also why just the singular big man 😔
What about my Polytheistic Gods

[quick bobcat]

I believe those aren't worthy of the title "god". They're just powerful beings.

[mystic spire]

Eh...this'll just devolve into religions and "which one is better" so I'm just gonna leave it here...

[quick bobcat]

Agreed on that point. Sticking a fork in it.

[quick bobcat]

Finally.,

[fair vale]

Are u talking about man in the wall?

I doubt the giant wall guy is the real form of it

[mystic spire]

No, it was "The" God, it's not worth drudging up and argue about religons tbh. Most of it boils down to nothing but pointing fingers.

plus this is the Soulframe server, if we really want to discuss these things, they'd be moved to DMs

Sirin best Pact because I can glitch my 2 to take my place and I become bobble-headed to pose after completing a Sparrow Tale

[leaden tusk]

w game

https://medal.tv/games/soulframe/clips/lULGPTPWgs64noqsl?invite=cr-MSxFUlQsNzE0NDQwMTU

[fair vale]

Albrecht took those

[fair vale]

Has there been anything about the moose who saved us

[worldly jewel]

Nope

Actually lemme check the old discord real quick

Didnt find anythin other than funi theories about the moose being grandfa😭

[fair vale]

Dang

[rich ingot]

He wears keys, so he may be an omen beast of secrets or doorways

But that is entirely speculation

[fair vale]

Waow!!

[agile folio]

Anyone know what this grave due south of the college of pensives is? I makes weird noises when you go into spirit sight mode.

[worldly jewel]

that's Orlicks grave where you find his quill during The Last pensive

[vocal flax]

Does the cardinal charm drop from breaking squawkers? I have broken so many and nothing other than seeders...

[glass kelp]

Yeah it has a chance to drop every time you break a squawker

[brisk nebula]

how to open kith of kings door ? cant work out the riddle

[worldly jewel]

wait for night

"when the twin suns sleep" = suns have set = it's night 👀

if nothing happens, go to nightfold and back out

[brisk nebula]

ty

[grand prism]

Is the Bear boss supposed to take very little damage? I've done only the story and I feel like I am extremely underleveled or something cause I am not making a dent in this guy

[worldly jewel]

try using heavy attacks

[grand prism]

i am :3 as often as possible

[worldly jewel]

seems like you're running into the issue of "light attack deals too little damage to get thru the enemys armor, resulting in dealing 1 damage per hit" but you can get past that with heavy attacks because they deal enough damage 99% of the time

[grand prism]

seems like i am not the only one. a quick peruse on reddit and i found a bunch of other people who are unable to do this cause of being underleveled. following the story doesn't level you up enough to do this quest and being on the quest makes your sparrow a foppet so you are soft locked from faction quests

[worldly jewel]

faction tales are really just a more convenient way of finding enemies, you can find them in almost the same numbers just by running around

[zinc drum]

Bit of an issue with how quest progression works, before we had gaps between quests being added, so many of us were leveled up by the time a new quest released. We also had to wander into quests, now the game just points us directly to the next available quest once the previous one has been completed, so new players are directly put into mid/"late" game quests from the start.

The waste bear also prevents players from getting faction tales apparently, so they're kind of locked out of side gameplay loops.

Players generally want to get all of the quests done as soon as they're available instead of putting them off until they have leveled up to the point the quest difficulty matches their progression.

[grand prism]

Hopefully in later preludes its a little more streamlined, i had to get a friend to come kill the bear for me so i could be freed from the softlock

[frozen shell]

Yeah, the bear was pretty rough on the first time through. There isn't much in the way of the game teaching you mechanics before you need to use them for real.

[zinc drum]

I think it's more of an issue with quests being over streamlined, and a lack of side activities to help with progression due to the game being pre-alpha. There should probably some other progression check in place before players are lead through brewer of hues and the waste bear.

Also not remove access to faction tales while the waste bear is active.

[frozen shell]

I only had trouble with the bear. I would get him to 25% health and he would start spamming an attack. I don't remember brewer of hues being difficult

[zinc drum]

It seems to come directly after the Torment Stag now, nimrod has some forced knockdown issues which just chain into the player taking more damage as they're trying to recover.

[frozen shell]

Not to say that it wasn't. I just don't remember the fight. But I got past it without assistance, and it wasn't memorable so ...

[unreal flame]

nimrod is not dangerous at all with cloudquell

but yeah bear got hands

i really enjoyed the fight tbh i dont think it needs a nerf, just more content before it

[turbid dust]

Today is my first day back in the game after a couple weeks break. So I might have missed something. But when I am fighting "boss level" enemies, that have health bars at the top of the screen, they are greyed out like this and barely take damage. This is my first time running into this and I don't know what it means.

https://tenor.com/view/postmalone1-post-malone-stress-disorder-gif-7973788519772793337

[rich ingot]

The grey health bar means enemy armour is higher than your weapon's damage

So your damage is being reduced heavily

[turbid dust]

Thank you

[rich ingot]

No need to be rude, it's a less than obvious signifier.

[hasty token]

I was making fun of myself for doing that, no offense directed at Cyber.

I always attack enemies with grey bars, and my team mates always poke fun at me.

[rich ingot]

Ah, fair. Might be worth adding a disclaimer next time, just to avoid confusion and offense!

[hasty token]

There we go!

[rich ingot]

But yeah, can relate

[hasty token]

It just takes too long to go back and switch weapons. 😂

[rich ingot]

Obvious solution is to throw a knife at their head XD

"oh this weak underlevelled weapon isn't quite cutting it? Yeet"

[hasty token]

Speaking of weapons, Gildaur or Feybalt for Odiac?

[rich ingot]

Feybalt

[hasty token]

Feybalt it is.

[rich ingot]

Gildaur gives what, +30 damage?

Feybalt gives +20 damage...per hit. Stacks like 5 or 6 times too

[hasty token]

20, but not on consecutive.

It's gonna have to be blessed by Saphene, because I'm unfortunate in the RNG department.

[rich ingot]

Not run enough crypts lately?

Drops Polished like crazy from the coffins

[hasty token]

I have a couple polished ones, but I like to be fancy and go the extra mile. 😂

[rich ingot]

Lol

[hasty token]

Odiac is way cooler than Esthelle, but inferior by 1 damage point.

Alright, it's done. I'm off to go cry-- I mean get this thing to level 30 all over again. Have a lovely day y'all!

[zinc drum]

I wonder if warframe's stealth kill affinity bonus carried over to soulframe.

Thethren would be the only pact that could really make use of it though.

[hasty token]

I wish we could see the EXP numbers directly after a kill. I'm curious about this one too.

[celest plank]

Im going crazy, I need help with finding the key to the wolf pups cage in the dungeon

I believe I've looked everywhere

Is it enemy loot drop.?

[sage prairie]

Yes. I just finished the quest last night. They are enemy drops which you need to manually pick up from ground.

[celest plank]

Dang. So kill them all before the wolf does.

[quasi sail]

Im stuckk oon a certain uest can someone hhelp me

[quiet junco]

What quest and what are you stuck on?

[quasi sail]

im stuck on the "Waste Bear" Quest i cant get through this purple barrier wall

[quiet junco]

Follow your bird and the quest objective 🙂 you need to find the other notes to the song which will dispell the barrier

[quasi sail]

ok thank you

[mystic spire]

Fun fact heavy attacks still does some damage to them while light attacks are dealing 1 dmg so if you're a fellow bow user you can still pretty easily cheese them out from range

[worldly jewel]

been told to not ask for keys here.
you can check for info on how to get one from the pinned messages in #envoy-gathering

[floral valley]

ok thank you

[celest plank]

Key is not dropping for me for the pups in the cage in dungeon. Am I missing a enemy?

Ive done this run 13 times already

[hasty token]

It'll be dropped by the heavy Ode enemy, as a pouch you can pick up.

Always in the same room as the cage.

[celest plank]

Yeah not seeing it

[hasty token]

Invite me.

IGN: Kleptoblitz

[celest plank]

Should I leave before invite to reset the dungeon?

[hasty token]

I'll help you look.

Either way is fine.

[celest plank]

Sent invite

THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU ARE AWSOME

[celest plank]

😍

[hasty token]

Lemme know if you need any more help, I'm here for a while longer.

[celest plank]

Any chance I can send a FR? I don't have many freinds playing this evening though I got them codes and stuff....

[hasty token]

Sure! I'll accept it, thanks.

[celest plank]

Bet

[amber plaza]

After completing the waste bear quest, I'm basically dying in joy, laughter, and surprise that my eyes just can't stop tearing 😂😭😂 my eyes!

[pearl perch]

Hello everyone, the game is being updated. ?

[quiet junco]

Yes, major update end of this month/early next month

[pearl perch]

today

[quiet junco]

Not today that we know of, hotfixes can happen on any day but don't usually come with new content

[pearl perch]

clear, thank you

I can't log in

[worldly jewel]

Do you have access to the game? You need to either redeem a code or be invited via email to be able to play

[night flame]

Hello. One question, I don't know if anyone will be able to answer it. But if I buy the founders edition, will I be able to connect with my Steam account later?

[sand wren]

we dont know yet

[late minnow]

In theory, it should connect 100%. They've already said the steam version will launch the inherent launcher we already have, the only difference is downloading said launcher through steam vs downloading from Soulframe's website.

So I cant think of any reason you'd lose your paragon stuff on the steam version, cause as soon as you log in with your account you bought paragon's on, it should load paragon's account. In theory.

[night flame]

Yes, but for example making Steam achievements is out of the question then.

[late minnow]

That being said, steam has had some weird cross-platform accounts in the past, where this was true, but you did lose access to some stuff.

There's plenty of games that don't have steam achievements.

[late minnow]

The short version of what I am getting at, is with the information we have, it should carry over, but we wont know for sure until later.

[night flame]

thx

then we will see

[worldly jewel]

it's account tied. with steam you're essentially just adding 1 more layer to the launching process of the game. you'll still need to login on launch just like always

steam isn't a "separate platform" in that way

[gusty cave]

how to play the game mann

where can iget those keys

[worldly jewel]

check the pinned messages in #envoy-gathering for info on how to get in

[midnight kernel]

why are there 2 everflame runes? they do the same thing, share the same name, but they look different. why?

[rich ingot]

One for Long Blades, one for Greatswords

[midnight kernel]

ohhhhhh

I missed that, thanks

[brazen kayak]

Algum BR por aqui ?

[cold bone]

Am I doing something wrong? I just finished the quest with the 3 headed bear and planting the seeds, and I still have all beginner gear. I feel like I should’ve gotten some stuff by now but I have absolutely nothing but some resources I can’t get anything new with it seems

[pulsar orchid]

Do you not have any fragments to use in crafting?

[cold bone]

I got a few after that first fight with the elk or whatever but not enough to craft anything. I’ve yet to ever get more for those items or any new fragments

I only have like one weapon and one helmet and only 1/2 for both

I’ve explored the whole map too looking and fighting people. All the way up to lvl 40 enemies

[pulsar orchid]

Hmm not even some of the basic ode stuff like Sollos-I or Vasp-IV? Drops are all RNG so it's entirely possible you've just been unlucky (I'd expect to at least have one basic weapon by Waste Bear) but yeah just keep playing, farming for the stuff you want to farm, and you'll get everything eventually!

[fiery solstice]

If I remember correctly I was still rocking with basic staff when I completed the bear quest 🥲

Took some time to get gears

[hidden tartan]

what do i do after i beat the bear

[zinc drum]

There are 8 tracked story quests, you can see the completed ones under the fables tab in your journal.

[rich ingot]

Did you do the wolf quest already?

[zinc drum]

If you're done all 8, then you have the three factions to work on, and boss specific drops.

[hidden tartan]

hm?

[rich ingot]

If you haven't done wolf quest yet, it could be a good next step

[hidden tartan]

how do i start that

[rich ingot]

If you have, would say it's time to get ready for Faction Tales and Boss Fights

[rich ingot]

Gotta find the quest trigger, would suggest checking out the NW of the map

[zinc drum]

Investigate camps that look different from the others spawning around the map.

[orchid notch]

i hate to ask but is there anyone thart has a spare key? if not its all good

[prisma sparrow]

DDF3-A679-124D-8694 Let me know if that works.

[orchid notch]

im pretty sure it worked thank you so much

[unreal lintel]

<@&1154466146741932193> ^

[hot vessel]

Let's curb off-media please.

[hasty token]

I'm convinced Alyxis never sleeps. That's some seriously impressive response time.

[wintry parrot]

hm.....

[full venture]

Question

Can I invite a friend to the final world tree?

Or use world tree tp?

[wintry parrot]

what you mean? " final world tree"

[full venture]

You know…

[wintry parrot]

island?

both answers are yes

[full venture]

Sweet

I don’t feel like doing this all over again

[hot vessel]

Unrelated to Soulframe. Please keep uploads on topic.

[crimson ravine]

Hey guys, ||has anyone found the second duck in Sword and Shield? Or is it bugged and just doesn't appear? I had some information about it.||

[prisma sparrow]

Apologies.

[finite tree]

I believe consensus atm is that it is bugged

[pulsar orchid]

It's on https://wiki.avakot.org/Totems/table if you filter the totems table by grip type:

Once it's fixed / added to the game properly, the table will be updated with its details

[crimson ravine]

@finite tree @pulsar orchid Thanks everyone, I already chatted with the Avakot guys and girls earlier. And they also told me I can hire them like that ^^

[split shell]

I watched the stream, but didn’t receive a key. Did I do something wrong?

[mystic spire]

What stream?

[fluid hatch]

Warframe devstreams don't drop Soulframe keys.
Soulframe devstreams do, though, and there's one of those next week.

[mystic spire]

Yeah there was no soulframe stream today

[zinc drum]

The stream schedule you want is here, the date stamp automatically adjust to your time zone. #soulframe-news message

[hidden tartan]

so i did the dog quest. what now?

[hasty token]

If you have not done the bear quest, or the witch quest, you can do those.

[hidden tartan]

i have

oops caps

[hasty token]

Then congratulations, you're free to farm your chosen faction, and collect weapons and resources.

There's lots to do!

[hidden tartan]

oh okie

[hidden tartan]

how do i farm the factions faster? should i do it at the top of the map? also how do i get to the island

[hasty token]

Faction quests in the northern region will have higher leveled enemies, which will yield more faction XP per completion.

There's no official way to get to the island, unless you walk through a broken spot in the map.

[hidden tartan]

oh ok

[hasty token]

That spot is on the eastern coast, where one of the rivers meets the sea.

[hidden tartan]

and where is the dog that i got? i know i cant do anything with her yet but i still wanna look at her

[hasty token]

He/She is in the Nightfold.

You can find your pup lounging around either in your tent, at the Blacksmith, or behind Orlick.

[hidden tartan]

oh okiiii

thanksss

oh and is getting the fire pact only possible if i started the game as the sword guy?

[hasty token]

No, your starting choice is not permanent.

You'll be able to unlock everything, and even switch factions down the road.

[hidden tartan]

so where do i get the sword pact?

[hasty token]

To do this, you'll need to craft that faction's respective talisman. You'll need to purchase a Sacred Shimmer from your faction, and collect the talisman parts from chests in the Undercity of Dermak. Once you craft it, you can switch to Jotar's faction, and get Mora's Hand.

If you just want Tethren (the Courage starting pact) then you should be able to unlock it at (I think) rank 4 in your current faction.

[naive abyss]

I discivered something i dont know if its new to u guys or not
If u enter the kaith of kings enclave and stand on the circle on the floor behind fire king chair and deep bow emote the wall will open for asecret room with achest and letter

[quiet junco]

This was the teaser for the Crypt of the Circade update

[signal crest]

/heart gift

[hidden tartan]

how do i get more gossamer quarts?

ive been just running through circade

[fluid hatch]

chests in the glades of andurin

[hidden tartan]

thanks ill give it a shot

how do i get the crafting recipie for orengalls fang?

[sonic fox]

Chests within the Glades.

[hidden tartan]

oh okay!

thats where i am i think

glades of andurin?

[sonic fox]

Yep, I forget if the chest needs to have a gold glow or not, but the Fang is certainly from that place.

[hidden tartan]

got it!

[hidden tartan]

are you sure this place isnt the source of quenching acid instead? i've been finding alot of that

[fluid hatch]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Gossamer_Quartz here's the full drop source if you want that instead, I just had the most success in the glades

[hidden tartan]

thanks a ton

ive been trying to get the pacts

this place is huge btw

holy moly

[hidden tartan]

do founders get extra combat arts? because i only have 2 wands and one is 30 and the other is 26 and i have 12 wand points

[sonic fox]

Both staves and 'wrist casters' count as Magick weapons, and add to the same combat art pool.

[hidden tartan]

thanks

[hidden tartan]

Whats the idea behind the magic sidearms? like is it just if i want faster attack speed?

[worldly jewel]

it's the usual tradeoff of lower damage per attack for higher attack speed, which in turn gives more chances to proc smite aswell

[scenic thorn]

Odiac if you want to feel like you're throwing Hadoken at people

[hidden iris]

https://tenor.com/view/ryu-street-fighter-hadouken-shinkuu-fire-ball-gif-4986735

Definitely the best feeling

[wintry night]

Sorry. Just curious. What is an Envoy?

Lorewise

[hidden tartan]

can i glitch into the big castle?

[scenic thorn]

Short version: Fey touched human

Long version is still being written lol

Before the Ode came, regular humans used to hunt Envoys down out of fear of them becoming witches

[mystic spire]

anyone being able to open this? dont want to know how, just if it is possible..

[sand wren]

unfinished puzzle for now afaik

[mystic spire]

Thx

[worldly jewel]

Curious as to where that's said
Dont remember it at all

[scenic thorn]

Doyen

During "Rise, Envoy"

[worldly jewel]

oh that voiceline?

nowhere does it mention humans tho

"know who were the bad'uns before even Ode. Us. That's who. Oh they'd round us up. Or drown us down. Lest we 'come... witches" is what he says

[woven hull]

does anybody know how many types of founder status there are because it is confusing like i bought the Wyld Sirin pack and I don't know the status for it

[worldly jewel]

status? 👀

[finite tree]

Right now the only place you have a “title” show essentially is on the forums. You can choose your motif to be of the founder’s pack you chose.

[cold bone]

So when I free the wolves and get to chose one, what is that for?

It took me back to my place and said and ancestor joined, but I don’t see anyone new or the wolf?

[rich ingot]

Wolf will appear in your tent, or by the blacksmith, or by Orlick

Just kinda is around

[cold bone]

No use to the wolf? I was hoping it was a mount 😭

[rich ingot]

Not yet

Eventually

[cold bone]

Gotcha, good deal

[fluid hatch]

<@&1154466146741932193> taken care of

Thankee

[pulsar orchid]

The one bit you're missing in your quote is the "Blight 'a blue, no human hue" which comes between 'us that's who' and 'o they'd round us up'. It's quoted in full on the https://wiki.avakot.org/Envoys page.

Whilst it's not explicit who did the rounding up and drowning of Envoys, we know it was before the Ode - so it was either:

• Humans
• Fey?
• Omen beasts??
• or some unknown faction/peoples

Far more likely that it was simply regular humans, much like it was probably regular humans who drowned Verminia and Rhiannon.

But still, it's not explicit so all we know is that they were persecuted/faced some level of prejudice as a general thing

[mint tapir]

ok genuinely what is the goal in this game like, ive been playing for ~6hrs now and i have no clue anything about the story other than the enemies are vaguely bad guy/ pollution and i was probably kidnapped as a child, why at all is my character motivated to do any of this 😭

[pulsar orchid]

Have you read the summary on https://wiki.avakot.org/Lore ?

[mint tapir]

Ok genuinely just the paragraph tells me everything i need to know why couldnt this be in a cutscene in the first hour, i mean there sure is enough of em, adding something to one along the lines of, "that arm connects you to the magics of this land, to protect it from those who would exploit it" because its genuinely just been follow bird, smash boxes, spam m1, short line along the lines of "theyre putting used car batteries in the rivers", follow bird again

[pulsar orchid]

Glad it was useful 😄 and yeah DE like to be a bit obscure and mystical with their lore, kind of in a fromsoft-style way. But I agree, I think what you wrote here

"that arm connects you to the magics of this land, to protect it from those who would exploit it"

Would be the perfect kind of one-liner, not too in your face or anything, just gives people a bit of a clear motive for when they plop down to alca

Iirc DE do intend to make Warsongs into a much larger Fable, I can't remember where they said this, but I think the whole 'memories of warsongs' thing with the Juniper echo stones was going to get combined into a larger introductory quest or something? So I reckon that'll be their chance to give new players a very clear onramp, setting the lore and motives etc

theyre putting used car batteries in the rivers

this made me laugh out loud lmao thanks for that 😂 those damn ode

[hidden tartan]

the final wand for my collection hehe

[hidden tartan]

which one is better for the alder?

[worldly jewel]

really a question of: lifesteal or quite a bit higher damage

[hidden tartan]

oh okay i didnt know that consecutive attack damage was that strong

will do that

[hidden tartan]

is the coga talisman or triune talisman better?

[worldly mantle]

Si senior

[scenic thorn]

It probably will be better explained when we're not in preludes anymore

[unreal flame]

it is insanely strong. you know staves get momentum in their passive tree? so the longer you stand still, the faster you shoot

melts everything

[scenic thorn]

I wonder if it works with Charge attacks

[hidden tartan]

in my experience it seems to

[jovial mica]

Are ya.... comfy? || orengall quest||

[grave seal]

That's what my dog does when I catch him grabbing stuff off the counter top

[quick bobcat]

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1440103546900185108

[frozen hazel]

She’s just hanging out

[jovial mica]

Question to check if i had a glitch or not.
For the fight with the mid-boss to get the magic acorn (the fight where your abilities are disabled) is the tree meant to appear once you beat the boss or during the encounter?
I entered in butterfly mode, didn't have to beat the boss, and was able to rush to the tree and end the fight by interacting with it.

[hasty token]

Likely a glitch, if you didn't already fight the Wazzard of Wastes.

Or if you bypassed the fight using Sirin.

Definitely a bug.

[crystal herald]

That ability where she comes out and attacks to kill should be a finisher on that Pact that you charge up and use. Not a random imo.

[quick bobcat]

Naw. That would make it bad.

[crystal herald]

I disagree. I think anything that you can focus is better than a random thing. As is, it's a very passive ability that you have no control over. Never been a fan of those.

[zinc kite]

Wait if you get the cool spear by getting all the world trees, and one of them is out of bounds, then wha

Is the last one optional for it

[rich ingot]

The one out of bounds is not needed

[zinc kite]

Aight sick

[wintry night]

sht, I want himmmmmmmm

[unreal flame]

i had to take the white wolf

because mononoke

[abstract sky]

where is this key man

[quick bobcat]

Then get him.

[quick bobcat]

Should be on the corpse of the heavy.

Use soul mode to look aorund. Key will glow.

[abstract sky]

yeah it bugged had to restart 3 times

[hasty orchid]

anyone know what to do here?

[zinc drum]

Hit the sliding statues in a specific order, the room should contain ||a chest||.

[pseudo rose]

anyone know if theres a way to get to world tree 16

[zinc drum]

Walk the perimeter of the map until you find a hole in the invisible wall, or find a new way to clip through walls.

[quick bobcat]

Or ask in in-game chat if someone can taxi you there.

[zinc drum]

I like to encourage people finding bugs, and getting the bugs reported.

[deft bone]

What can you find in the Wevet Forest?

i stuck in this mission

[zinc drum]

I think the bird would lead you there if that was your active quest.

[deft bone]

i´m on the spot and idk what i must do

[zinc drum]

You want to find a damaged tree leaking sap, the sap can be more visible if you have soul mode active

[deft bone]

on this tree is the flying rat

we cant do anything

idk man frustrating

[zinc drum]

There should be an interact prompt on it, might only be on one side of the tree.

That quest is mid/late game difficulty (at least before runes/totems were added).

If you go north from that faint circle on your map, you should be able to find a world tree to defog that area.

[deft bone]

ok we have it ty 🙂

[wintry night]

what is the story behind mendicant king

[worldly jewel]

If i remember correctly,
I think he was leading an army to battle, but never got to fight because he died before that and then got brought back to life by ode corruption?
Prayin thas correct

[wintry night]

he got an random arrow in the helmet socket and died before the battle o_O?

[worldly jewel]

Dont remember how he died if that was explained but if i remember correcrly, essentially yes

[fresh surge]

I assume you probably figured this out, but Floppet actually takes you to the wrong side of the tree and the interact prompt only appears on the side opposite to the one it directs you

[storm palm]

Is not Floppet's fault

[finite tree]

Floppet flops. It’s okay lil guy…

[unreal flame]

yeah i dont think it was explained how king and his guys died, they just kinda did

[zinc drum]

They got stuck in the tar pits like the dinosaurs.

[hoary crow]

how to get access?

uh on twitch i see

[unreal flame]

theres a few ways, but yeah twitch is your best shot since thats in a mere 2 days

#soulframe-news message if you havent seen it

[worldly jewel]

Ooo

[wintry parrot]

Who is this )?

[grave seal]

The local quack dealer

[finite tree]

Premium quack dealer at that

[umbral zenith]

hello guys is this the closed beta discord? or are we not in that point rn

[worldly jewel]

this is the discord for the game yes but it's in pre-alpha. not beta

[umbral zenith]

kk perfect, it's been a while since i played for the first time i'm rn on cachy os idk if it's viable to play on linux at the moment

[worldly jewel]

there are a good amount of people playing the game on linux

[umbral zenith]

nice to know back in the day we had a linux installation chat idk where it ahhaha

i participated in the third prelude

[hidden iris]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-duck-cute-duck-duck-duck-duck-dancing-duck-duck-dance-gif-5339038368488079993

[pseudo rose]

I know the old days.... Like they were just yesterday.

[dim coral]

so i have logged in-game and now notice the current in-game year is 926; i swear it was supposed to be 925, when did this change?

[weak lily]

I didn't check this but probably January 1st

[worldly jewel]

used to be "1 year behind" but that got fixed late last year

[fluid hatch]

isn't it just the current IRL year minus 1100?

[worldly jewel]

now yes

[fluid hatch]

gotcha

[frigid rivet]

Transcript of the poem:

The year 926 was known to elder seers
peering in cool pools of mist
they peered our future clear

a horned beast though hearing hard heard a word his herd heard not
an omen's toad's slow croaks were marred by fetid ills sick ponds begot

a viling star of scarlet sword heralding ascendancy
a babe on shoulders old forewarned
fear the fey who speaks in threes

the year 926 here prophesized in full
but fates of old are woven thick
with threads our envoys pull

6 by 10, D to M

do we think this is solvable now? or not until 13 releases?

[dim coral]

if you take 6 by 10 at face value, it just sounds like 6x10 = 60

[frigid rivet]

I'm guessing it's some sort of row by column cipher for the poem, but not sure

[dim coral]

that last piece of art reminds me a lot of that one dermak tile

[worldly jewel]

"a babe on shoulders old forewarned" well that's Orlicks shoulderbaby

[hollow socket]

I suspect it's teasing the next story tale, at first glance at least

[gentle badge]

do we know when update 13 is droping?

[pale merlin]

::looks nervously at september::

We're sure that was viling as in archaic negative implication, rather than veiling as in to obscure ?

[finite tree]

Early next week was what we were told by Steve this week during WF Dev Short, beyond that, we don't have a specific timeframe

[gentle badge]

aha ok tnx for info

[simple turret]

so they confirmed the next omen quest is going to be the Ram pact. What happened to that frog pact they showed concept art at tennocon?

[finite tree]

It sounds like both from the poem that was given at the end

[simple turret]

oohhh, I missed the toad reference

nvm im dumb

[frank marten]

This seems to me that its teasing story beats like the next two omen beasts being the Toad and the Ram. no idea on the scarlet Sword part, A babe on shoulders old forewarned is connected to orlik obviously and the fey that speaks in threes might be something to do with the fey queen? i think they gave us this years story roadmap in the form of poem

[frigid rivet]

I agree, but the "6 by 10, D to M" makes it seem like it's serving a dual purpose with some sort of puzzle/ARG

[sharp ermine]

But maybe it’s also a mount, since the story is inspired by Princess Mononoke. As far as I remember, she had a ram and a wolf as companions, didn’t she?

[fast solar]

6 by 10 is a poetry meter structure

six lines 10 syllables

[finite tree]

Might want to make the poem a #1438224932323721296 section so the discussion doesn't get lost.

[frank marten]

im 100% on that its a roadmap for the next updates

[brittle dew]

The year 926 was known to elder seers.
Peering in cool pools of mist, they peered our future clear.

A horned beast, though hearing hard,
Heard a word his herd heard not.
An Omen Toad's slow croaks were marred
By fetid ills sick ponds begot.

A (vailing ???) star of scarlet sword
Heralding ascendency.
A babe on shoulders old forewarned:
"Fear the Fey who speaks in threes."

The year 926, here prophesized in full
The fates of old are woven thick with threads our Envoys pull.

Six by ten, D to M.

oh nvm someone beat me to it

[weak gyro]

I couldn’t attend the latest Soulframe stream is there any information about the release date of Prelude 13

[worldly jewel]

next week

that is all we have

[weak gyro]

thank you

[mental maple]

Six by ten, D to M??? 60 December to March or 60 Days to Minutes? the words before are the things they will be release i guess

meaby they will relase each update every sixty days?

[pale merlin]

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1466905141968896225

[worldly jewel]

that was the plan at one point actually. updates every 8-ish weeks

[gilded grove]

\

[cursive hamlet]

maybe it's a riddle in 926, 9 Feb 2026

[frank marten]

was solved over in https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1466905141968896225

its the Quarterly release schedule for the year. and there is a hidden message in it as well. The hidden message is as follows "WHEN THE SCARLET STAR RISES
THE OLD BOUNDARIES FALL"

2026 Roadmap first half of the year
Q1
A hornèd beast, though hearing-hard,
Heard a word his herd heard not.

Q2
An omen toad's slow croaks were marred,
By fettid ills sick ponds begot.

2026 Second half of the year
Q3
A viling star of scarlet soared,
Heralding Ascendency!

Q4
A babe on shoulders old forewarned:
“Fear the Fey who speaks in threes.”

[cursive hamlet]

thanks, I haven't read these yet

[frank marten]

Np i threw together the roadmap since the poem looked eerily similar to how they structure a warframe year and i connected the dots with the first stanza that it was a roadmap for the year

[cursive hamlet]

wow, devs be tricky which is kinda cool

[frank marten]

The year nine hundred twenty-six,
Was known to elder Seers.
Peering in coolpools of mist,
They peered our future, clearer.

A hornèd beast, though hearing-hard,
Heard a word his herd heard not.
An omen toad's slow croaks were marred,
By fettid ills sick ponds begot.

A viling star of scarlet soared,
Heralding Ascendency!
A babe on shoulders old forewarned:
“Fear the Fey who speaks in threes.”

The Year nine hundred twenty-six,
Here prophesied in full.
But fates of old are woven thick
With threads our Envoys pull.

this is the proper setup for the poem here as well

[strong crown]

When is the update releasing?

[frank marten]

P13 should be within the next week Steve said on a recent Dev short that it was either gonna be on the day of the Devstream of the week after and its more of just a rework update not a mainline. like my projected Quarterly roadmap ill say that the next mainline will be P14 and that will be the Ram Omen Beast update

[idle adder]

Flying rat before gta vi and preludes 13

[rancid goblet]

In crypt of circade, the very first room sometimes a ghost appears at the top where the statue usually is and sometimes it does not, when this ghost knight is killed its soul goes in to the air very similar to when you had to kill the ghost knight to unlock the enclave entrance, is this a puzzle?

[thin goblet]

jotar and kith and circade do have conenctions but i figure its an ambush cuz it happens in a couple other tiles.

[finite tree]

Please do not ask for codes in this discord. There are a few ways you can get access to the game right now:

• Sign up on Soulframe.com and be invited via the Wednesday giveaway (2k codes every week)
• Purchase a Founder's Pack, which will give you spare codes for your friends.
• Watch a dev stream or Envoy Hour via Twitch (follow twitch.tv/playsoulframe for notifications)

Unconventional ways include checking out social media, Reddit, or streamers who may have a spare code. On occasion, people do drop codes in ⁠the channels here.

[finite tree]

The team did want to make sure that they were able to obtain feedback before diving in. They have acknowledged that they are worried about the reception of the virtue change as it is a BIG change from what we currently have. There is feedback being provided, despite players not being able to see for themselves how it works for their own playstyles. But yes, we should, theoretically, receive an update this coming week.

[fresh surge]

Other than the prism grind bit I think it's not really knowable whether the execution is good or not before it releases personally. I do think it's interesting and will contribute more to virtues and pacts having an identity but there's a ton of questions as is

[ornate kestrel]

Guys is there a way to grow our shewolf pups? If so, how? 😅

[fiery solstice]

ATM no, in the future possible we will be able to grow and mount it

[hasty token]

They're penciled in for this year.

[quick bobcat]

Watch Devsteram 12.

[worldly jewel]

Watch the stream on the 10th for a code via twitch drops

[brisk mist]

It's a very long wait(

[worldly jewel]

9 days

Not long

[crimson ravine]

Cap by 100?!

[rich ingot]

Yep

You'll likely never need 100 though

[warped lantern]

Hey, does anyone know how to get a key? I'm late to the stream and I'm dying to play it.

[worldly jewel]

there's another stream on the 10th

[bronze belfry]

Is the arbearer the last quest? Journal is empty. Found a wolf after but nothing in journal

I heard people talking about reforging but i sitll didnt unlock it

[pulsar orchid]

It's the latest released fable, but there's no 'last' fable since they can be done in the order you decide to explore and come across them.

Sounds like you need to look at https://wiki.avakot.org/Fables and pick out one you haven't done yet! 😉

[worldly jewel]

sounds like you've done all of them yeah

[pulsar orchid]

(This will be either because you haven't done the blacksmith fable, or because you haven't bonded her to rank 2 yet)

[pulsar orchid]

maybe it just depends on what they mean by not having unlocked reforging - do they not have tuvalkane in general, or do they not have rank 2 yet

[bronze belfry]

Thanks ill check it out tomorrow, but how do i know which fables i completed fully? Some say "replay" so i assume thats finished but the bear one has no replay and i did unlock the bear pact

[pulsar orchid]

Bear replay hasn't been implemented yet (replayability is a tough thing on the coding side, so takes a lot of dev time)

You'll know it's completed if it's in your journal and you're not still in the middle of doing it

[final sage]

Doing the siege t hing and the second guy didn't drop the lever to pull down the stairs to get up top

[dapper nymph]

heyo, i placed a list of bugs found during gameplay and improvements thoughts over here
https://forums.soulframe.com/topic/9334-thoughts-so-far-and-bugs-encountered-warning-small-spoilers/
and also a post about some tutorials i think would be great for new people here
https://forums.soulframe.com/topic/9321-tutorials-for-new-players
and i'd appreciate some thoughts or adding to these if you guys feel fit. Have a great time and ty!

[quiet junco]

Please don't ask for codes in the Discord you can check how to gain access to Soulframe here: #envoy-gathering message
You can also wait for the Envoy Hour stream next Tuesday the 10th which will have access codes as a Twitch Drop

[halcyon barn]

@plain jetty

[plain jetty]

ahh that was on the map already thank you for posting

[violet prism]

Do we know the crafting materials for the new weapons? (Want to be ready for the dual blades)

[worldly jewel]

nope

[gentle badge]

do we know when can we expect update 13 to drop?

[worldly jewel]

this week most likely

[crystal herald]

I think I have that disorder where you can't play a game anymore once you learn it has an update that hasn't come out because everything you would be playing now is about to change.

[mellow wagon]

you can pick up beautiful flowers and mushrooms

[pulsar orchid]

lmao same it's stopped me from farming standing because I know it's going to be so much better with the tree mission boards!

[prisma zodiac]

this is so true

we play a game for our own enjoyment

[wintry night]

xD same~

[dull bronze]

do we know what the poem from devstream is? did someone solve it?

[quiet junco]

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1466905141968896225

[sharp pendant]

Holo.exe

[gentle badge]

So on this last stream plan whose we to get update 13 on this day but they are delaying it becouse of new game mod so maybe in a day or 2

[quiet junco]

Not this week, check #soulframe-news

[stark mist]

guys i sign up here and when i download that game can i play it or i need something to play it ?

like invitation or something

please help me

[last lake]

Invite code or founders pack I believe

[stark mist]

cuz i download it now

so when i download it i cant start it ?

[worldly jewel]

if you haven't been invited, haven't redeemed a code, or bought a founders pack, you can't play

[void crane]

Do you want an invite code?

[stark mist]

yeah

how can i get it ?

[void crane]

I'll give you one

[grim gale]

If anyone else has 1 more. Im looking for one for my brother. I cant find my email with the extra invites 🙁

[chilly merlin]

sent you a soulframe code

[tall mauve]

hi all i need invite code and ty 🙏

[hybrid vapor]

DM me for some prelude key codes

[void sparrow]

So, what exactly are the Ode? From what I'm gathering, they're travellers from beyond the stars that seek toconquer, harvest and corrupt the world we are in. Are the ode forces that we typically fight other humans that had their souls placed in mechanical husks?

I'm also curious if anyone has speculation why bells seem to feature so prominently in corrupted lifeforms.

[quiet junco]

What the Ode are isn't clear at the moment, they seem partly mechanical but we don't know much else beyond some item descriptions (Ichor/Petrified Ichor mainly)

As for the bells, also not entirely clear, though I suspect it's to do with the spellsong, which is what caused most Alcans to forget their history and become brainwashed, like Deora was during Torment Stag

[quiet junco]

Please don't ask for codes in the Discord you can see the ways to get access to the game listed here. Also next Tuesday there'll be an Envoy Hour stream with access codes as Twitch Drops

[wind bronze]

if anyone needs 1 code to talk to me, I have 2

if anyone needs them, let me go to the DM

I only have one code of preludes left, whoever wants to, you know

[proud scaffold]

Please don’t continue to spam different chats stating you have codes and to dm you. Whilst it is kind to offer, sending too many messages will cause an influx of people asking in chat, which is something we don’t want to happen. Thanks

Please don’t ask for codes in this discord. You can find the relevant information on how to obtain one here: #spoiler-chat message @modest epoch

[frigid rivet]

did the devstream show the attunement for any of the new weapons by any chance?

[quiet junco]

Briefly, also devstream so keep in mind it's all WIP and subject to change

[frigid rivet]

oh interesting, dual attunements? and 3 symbols base but only on uncommon? I guess a lot of that will be changing with the virtue rework

[quiet junco]

A lot of weapons both old and new seem to have hybrid scaling on the devbuild

Which makes sense with the new Virtue Prisms always having a spread and not going all in on one Virtue too much

They hover over it very briefly but you can see Grinn is now 2 Grace and 1 Courage for example

[frigid rivet]

interesting. I suppose that's better, without that piece the info from the stream made it seem like the one stat only prisms were going to steamroll

[quiet junco]

Same for armor it looks like (again devbuild so WIP/subject to change)

[echo sail]

Unless they fundamentally change the way the scaling works, single-stat builds will always steamroll.

[quiet junco]

Making most weapons hybrid scale is pretty fundamental, also remember there are attunement caps (at least currently) so while you might reach cap faster with a single Virtue scaling weapon once you can easily reach the cap on a hybrid weapon it evens out

[echo sail]

If they leave caps in, then what will blessed joineries do for us? Is that just to let us hit cap a little easier with a different virtue?

[frigid rivet]

that would be my guess. yeah, I'm assuming that as max envoy rank increases, single stat scaling will hit a hard cap across most relevant weapons

[echo sail]

So at some point everything is capped even with a theoretical paragon prism installed

that sounds like a problem to me

[frigid rivet]

I mean, if it's like wf, envoy rank will have a hard cap itself, which I assume will be lower than the cap that allows a paragon prism to max out

[echo sail]

Either way you cut it, either the caps are left in and the all-in prisms become irrelivant at some point, or they take the caps off or extend them with blessed joins and the all-in prisms become meta.
In either case, one set becomes much more meta than the other, and choices reduce.

[quiet junco]

Easily solved with an upgrade system that lets you increase the cap or something like that

I can see a future Tuvalkane upgrade that lets you increase scaling quality and/or break the cap with a different type of Joinery

[frigid rivet]

it could also be a sliding scale between caps for abilities and weapons. abilities can go higher, rewarding more single-stat spec, while weapons cap lower, rewarding a spread stat build

[mystic spire]

Considering envoy level is analogue to mastery rank in warframe then it wouldn't have a "hard cap" since it is limited only by available weapons, which grows with time. Warframe's MR is like 35 or smth right now

[frigid rivet]

don't the stat/unlock bonuses stop after 30 currently? and the extra ones are just prestige?

[quiet junco]

Yeah you don't get more capacity for being LR 5

There are some bonusses that keep going in Warframe, like standing cap, void traces cap, etc... but weapon/warframe capacity (which would be the closest equivalent) stops at 30

[mystic spire]

There arent stats unlocks or bonuses in warframe

The capacity thing is just a headstart meant so that you dont have to struggle with levelling gear after you achieve high mastery rank

But it has no bonuses over the item just being rank 30

[rich ingot]

Suspect Haywire might be talkign about the weapon/pact upgrades

[frigid rivet]

gotcha, my bad. this is all secondhand from a friend that plays

[echo sail]

The math problem right now is like this:

• For a 4-pip single virtue weapon with 100 total virtue to spend. If you go all in, you get (4pips*0.5)*100v=200
• For a 4-pip split virtue weapon with 100 total virtue to spend, if you pick the 50/50 split prism, you get ((2pips*0.5)*50v)+((2pips*0.5)*50v)=100
• For the same 4-pip split virtue weapon with 100 total virtue to spend, if you all in on a 100% prism, you get ((2pips*0.5)*0v)+((2pips*0.5)*100v)=100
  Literally nothing changes between all-in and split on the split one, and it's only gained half the total damage in any case.
  This is, however, assuming that the caps aren't a thing you hit along the way.

[mystic spire]

For sure things will be slightly different in soulframe

But considering they seem to be going the same route of maxing items increasing your "account level" i doubt it will have a cap

Because they wont simply stop releasing items

[echo sail]

If you get into weird splits, like 2-courage and 1 spirit, then the math shifts and you'll always get more out of leaning into whatever has the most pips on the weapon.

Using a split one, assuming you haven't hit cap yet, will cost you more virtue to reach the same damage bonus

Which is intuitive, I suppose, but it does mean that without a cap, all-in will always be meta.

[quiet junco]

Caps are the thing that stops that, also there may/will be other reasons for having points in other Virtues

If you were given the choice between an all Courage bow and a Grace/Courage bow you might get more raw damage out of the Courage one, but assuming Grace benefits your stealth damage you could get better results using the hybrid one from stealth

[echo sail]

With caps, it means the split weapons are slightly more viable across more builds, which makes them meta.

[quiet junco]

Similarly you may want to invest more in having strong Pact abilities and accept the trade-off of having lower weapon damage

[echo sail]

pact abilities have to be strong regardless or the whole point of spirit flys out the window

that's a separate issue, but a valid one

[quiet junco]

Sure but again, if the choice is between "Good Pact abilities and very strong weapon damage" or "Very strong Pact abilities and decent weapon damage" that's a compelling choice

[rich ingot]

Think as long as the benefits of each Virtue are meaningful enough, it can encourage split builds, which at present are a complete non-factor in the game.

[echo sail]

It would be compelling if that choice mattered, yes. If it matters, however, then spirit caster builds will only be casting their sprit skill, really. If it doesn't matter, then your point is moot.

[quiet junco]

But why would they only be casting their Spirit skill? Just because it is the strongest doesn't automatically mean the other 2 aren't worth using

[rich ingot]

Which, Spirit and Courage at least both provide very meaningful benefits it seems. Grace not sure about, but there's some easy additions they could make that would make it a solid choice, like increased stagger resistance.

[echo sail]

If they're still worth using without speccing into them, then it's not a choice -- you roll spirit and spirit weapons because they become meta

[quiet junco]

...but why wouldn't it be a choice?

[echo sail]

I mean, you still have the choice to roll with off-meta setups. I do it constantly in warframe, so I'm sure that will happen.

But again, if arcanics are valid without speccing into them, then the driving factor becomes the weapon's demands.

If they're not valid without speccing into them, then spirit starts having problems because it'll only really be useful on pacts with strong spirit arcanics.

[frigid rivet]

there's also the factor of maybe the best weapon in the game doesn't have a spirit option. What is the best build relies on a strong spirit pact ability and a bow, and all bows are grace, so spirit/grace split is better?

[quiet junco]

I mean, let's take a Pact as a case study, Oscelda:

If I invest heavily into Courage I'll be able to CC a bunch of enemies and provide a good damage increase against them, while still having a good heal and some stagger with my 3

If I invest heavily into Spirit I'll be able to case faster and heal a ton, but my CC and damage are going to be weaker

If I invest heavily in Grace I'll be able to lock the battlefield with birds, maybe even scaling their damage enough to become a powerful AoE killer, while having a weaker heal and CC

Just because I'm more invested in one ability doesn't make the other two useless, and as long as all the abilities have compelling reasons to invest in them there's still a choice

[echo sail]

Oscelda is not really fair because all of its abilities work in a vacuum, and are good.

[quiet junco]

Yes

That's the ideal

[echo sail]

That's not the reality though.

Picking a strawman you know you can win with isn't the kind of argument I feel like trying to pick apart.

[quiet junco]

I'm not picking a strawman though I'm using a well balanced Pact to show why there are compelling reasons to make the choice

I would not invest heavily into Glamour on Sirin for example, because currently the only thing I'd be boosting is the duration on an invisibility skill that breaks upon a single attack or jump

But that's a Sirin problem, not a Virtue problem

[echo sail]

Which virtue is glamour aligned with again?

[quiet junco]

Grace

[echo sail]

and is sirin a grace pact?

are we encouraged to use grace weapons with it?

isn't the starting sirin weapon a bow?

[quiet junco]

Well currently it is, we don't know if Pacts will still have a Virtue preference in the new one

It works better with melee honestly though it starts with a bow yes

[echo sail]

Picking oscelda was a strawman.

[quiet junco]

That's not what a strawman is

[sour quarry]

Thats the guy from the wizard of oz

[echo sail]

whatever you call it, try again with tethren or almost any other pact that isn't perfectly set up for your point

[quiet junco]

I mean, I can with Tethren, all the abilities are worth boosting

[echo sail]

Are they worth boosting with their class of weapons?

[sour quarry]

I dont even know what they do tbh i press fellust and only fellust

[quiet junco]

Again though the thing I'm arguing is when Pacts have 3 abilities worth using there is a compelling choice, some Pacts have abilties that aren't worth boosting, which is a problem with the Pacts

[rich ingot]

Fellust is far and away the most broken ability in the game rn, to the point most people expect a heavy nerf in the future

[sour quarry]

I mean surely they do I dont think its very balanced

[rich ingot]

Which makes Tethren a bit of a bad example overall, due to being an outlier

[echo sail]

Exactly. Take one look at tethren as it is now and tell me you're not running 100% courage on that thing.

Of course you are. Sirin has the reverse problem with grace being basically misaligned with it in a weird way

[sour quarry]

Imma run a grace tethren build now

[quiet junco]

You don't need to run that much Courage on Tethren to achieve incredible damage, to the point where it is probably worth speccing into both Courage and Grace so you get better AoE stun and extra stability, making your Fellust easier to hit

[sour quarry]

I will create a new meta with my own hands

[echo sail]

Ok, so now you're running what, mixed courage/grace weapons and the blended prism, basically guaranteed.

[quiet junco]

Again though, the thing you seem to be arguing is "Some Pacts have abilities that aren't worth investing in" which I agree with, but that's separate from "There is only ever going to be one choice when deciding which Virtue to invest in"

Just because there will be a meta/optimal answer doesn't mean other builds and choices will be pointless

[sour quarry]

Doesnt Orengall not care about courage right now

[quiet junco]

It increases the Smite chance on Howl I believe? Doesn't care about it that much tho

[sour quarry]

The dogs dont scale off it well and isnt the 1 sneak a flat 1k

[echo sail]

Whether your start with the weapon you want to use, or the pact you want to use, there will be an idea prism and associated other gear that crystalizes from that as heavily ideal answers.
You can run other things, and people will while leveling gear, but they'll all feel inferior and perform inferiorly.

[sour quarry]

Also howl just increases your courage in general

[quiet junco]

But that's every game though, there is always going to be a meta and an optimal build, as long as the divide between the "best" choice and the other choices isn't massive that's not a problem

Is the Torid Incarnon the best weapon in Warframe for nearly any situation, yes. Does that mean I can't use anything else, no

[mystic spire]

I mean yeah? Choosing gear that compliments itself is normal?

What you described in that one message is just making choices in a build