gameplay-discussion

[lament path]

The longswords and short swords scoff at us

[sly escarp]

Or like a trapping/hunting/preservationist pact?

"hunt the hunters" kinda vibe

[quick junco]

I tried that but havent been able to do that on the non-humanoids. I can get some of them to fall on the ground but havent been able to use finishers on them

[lament path]

Yeah that is why I thought about spiders

Hunting spider

[sly escarp]

Ooh, good point

Maybe a gladiator pact could be on the table as well

They often used bolas or nets

[quick junco]

Spider pact there lets us stick a web to enemies and jump to them or pull them to us would be kinda cool

[finite stone]

We'll probably get this one at a similar time as we get the bromius hammer & shield (since they'll be able to use the same moveset)

[sly escarp]

Also isn't the a version of that witha spiky ball mace?

And the Mendicant mace and shield guys...

Lots of shields to steal

[finite stone]

Definitely a spiky mace guy but I can't remember if I've seen those with a shield yet! So many enemy variants especially since P14

[quiet timber]

what do i spend my starting 100 arcs on

[finite stone]

would recommend inventory slots (they are near essential and cannot be earned through gameplay yet, unlike the items themselves which can)

[undone minnow]

Do we have any concept art of a weaver pact yet?

Not even concept art specifically, just mentions of one

[hybrid pine]

Could someone give me a rundown of how orengall's pact plays out or what weapons it uses, I can't find much info on the wiki and I'm not sure if I should spend materials on it

[finite stone]

Nope, no such thing yet!

However, with the increasing mentions of Algamest, and now Almacida and the Spyderlect, plus the 'Great Spyder' mentioned by Alora, I think it's inevitable

[drowsy crypt]

Become dog, summon your bros, awoo.

[hybrid pine]

the wiki says that much lmao

[finite stone]

what weapons it uses

Pacts and Weapons are different things - your pacts are your abilities, and you can use any weapon in the game, you get to create your own build

I can't find much info on the wiki

Are you on the https://wiki.avakot.org/Orengall page? Did you scroll down to the abilities section

[undone minnow]

There's really not much to it. Just summon your dogs, use howl, and fight

[drowsy crypt]

I primarily used grace/spirit secondary and juniper bow when I played it but I don't know anything about building properly

[undone minnow]

I really only use the first ability to travel

[drowsy crypt]

Juniper is just kinda great on most grace/spirit pacts

[hybrid pine]

I think I was on the wrong wiki, thank you. I thought though that different pacts had certain synergies with weapons or is it entirely just playstyle?

[finite stone]

No worries, hope it helps! 💚 no, completely up to you - enjoy whatever weapons you like! 🥳 the only consideration is balancing your virtues so that you meet the virtue requirements for your weapon attunement, whilst also scaling the arcanics (pact abilities) that you want to scale. Generally you want to prioritise attunement though

[wet pivot]

i guys sometimes i m stuck in the q animation there is a solution for get me unstuck?

[atomic echo]

Turn off and on (relog) 🙌

[past drift]

You just made me realize: since slots now cost 150arcs minimum for a pack of 50 you literally can't buy more without spending money now

I feel like there should be a pack that costs 100 so like in warframe you can at least get some

[finite stone]

omg yeah you're right, I didn't even think of that 😭

[past drift]

Yeah that seems like an oversight lol

[past drift]

Actually I just did some napkin math and I think Soulframe is actually quite a bit more generous from the start.

Warframe:
3 WF slots. 11 weapon slots. 50 starting plat (1 more WF slot and 4 more wep slots)

Soulframe:
50 slots. Enough for 4 armour sets (equivalent to warframes. Pacts don't use capacity). And 38 weapon slots.

Obviously the intent is using some of that for dupes, but if you don't let your inventory overflow thats quite a bit more free starting slots.

Personally I'd rather that they keep the previous slot logic + the loot chest for unrolled stuff but w/e works

[drowsy crypt]

38 Orst III slots

[past drift]

All Stock

[visual radish]

Pacts do use capacity

Also pacts would be closer to warframes than armor would

[calm bobcat]

quick question im stuck on a specific puzzle in the undercity, the scroll im trying to get is behind this big pulley/chain puzzle that i have tried to crack but cant :/ any advice?

the pulley in question

[visual radish]

I think that is one where you need to find a lever nearby

[undone minnow]

There should be a lever on a wall behind some boxes

[lament path]

🙏

[spare badge]

Look around in soul mode and smash everything in those rooms. It's how DE intended people to solve those leaver puzzles.

[calm bobcat]

this is worse than the lua spy puzzles lol

[solid musk]

how do i rank up verminia?

[lament path]

Make the buff potions, you get the recipes from factions

[visual radish]

Brew potions and colors

[lament path]

Only new stuff counts for exp there, not making the same thing over and over.

[cloud palm]

Is it me or did the stagger changes from P13 got reverted?

I feel like Im getting way more staggered and interrupted than before

[lament path]

Don't remember that in the changelogs, did you change pacts by chance since you can put extra stagger in every pact?

[past drift]

If we use pact + armor set then it becomes 34 weapon slots which is still more than double what you get in WF I guess

[spare badge]

Quickest way is getting the color palet recipes from the factions.

[solid musk]

god that will take a while

huh? what is this missing thing in the world tree section?

[spare badge]

Depends on what tree you missed.

[solid musk]

i am pretty sure i didnt miss any...

i am correct, i didnt miss any, they ADDED a new one

[finite stone]

This is just the island tree

[solid musk]

yes

[finite stone]

No world trees have ever been added, all 16 were introduced in P9

[spare badge]

Some of us have had that one ever since P9.

[solid musk]

are you only able to swim THERE because i remember trying to swim before and it didnt work

[spare badge]

Swimming was added in p14.5.

[normal sail]

we had to slip under an invisible wall and go on a slow walk under the water to get to the island

[solid musk]

wth...

[spare badge]

There've been various holes in the invisiwall. DE's patched those over the updates...

[rich hemlock]

im stuck on the misson grand fable cant find a rune

[normal sail]

-# and we keep finding new ones lol

[spare badge]

After that, it was joining someone who had it unlocked and them fast traveling the group there.

[spare badge]

That's actually part of the "job" as pre-alpha players. Poking and prodding at the game to find stuff DE missed.

[solid musk]

FINALLY those things spwan

[spare badge]

Annoying, aren't they?

[solid musk]

yeah, i PAID to be a tester!

[spare badge]

You paid?

[solid musk]

nuh, i like it, free xp and i dont have to search for pockets of enemies

[solid musk]

im a paragon :)

but i did play the game before paying

got a free key for a severmember on another discord server

[spare badge]

As am I. But that's because I like the game. I didn't pay to get in during p6...

[solid musk]

nither did i

i got a free key and bought the paragon after a while

[spare badge]

I was, however poking the RNG with various sticks, and trees, and eventually a plateu.

Remember when friend codes weren't a thing? I remember.

[solid musk]

but yeah all i currently do is max things out

[drowsy crypt]

Maxing out the long swords has been my personal hell. I just don't jive with it

[solid musk]

how many do you have left?

[drowsy crypt]

Like all but 2

Anything ranged I've maxed out. Short blades maxed out. I have been putting off long swords

[solid musk]

oh you are doing them 1 by 1?

as in 1 category by 1 category?

[drowsy crypt]

I guess more so attunement. I was doing all grace and spirit weapons first

[solid musk]

oh, i am doing all courge weapons first

[drowsy crypt]

Anything that was primarily courage I haven't really touched

[solid musk]

SO MANY WEAPONS

what mr are you

[drowsy crypt]

Like 10 lol

[solid musk]

i am mr 14

[drowsy crypt]

I have a few more things for spirit/grace then I'll start my courage slog when I level my tethren

[solid musk]

oh yeah i maxed out nearly all secoundary courge weapons

and i am nearly done with the primaries

[drowsy crypt]

Waiting for my base tethren to finish cooking so I can level that and then straight into wyld tethren right after

I gotta learn to like melee in the meantime

[solid musk]

do you like 3 shotting agrins?

[drowsy crypt]

It sounds like something I'd like yes

[fervent sun]

finally got my silly staff.. all that's left now are gath and marrow... 🙁

[solid musk]

then you will like tethren, the first abilty is extremly strong

[drowsy crypt]

I was actually thinking about making a staff tethren with silly staff

[unborn rain]

do the wild version change anything?

[solid musk]

if you land every hit the damage can get over 1000 per hit

[solid musk]

not really? no?

at least i dont see any changes

[solid musk]

also, with enough health drain you can bearly die lmao

[drowsy crypt]

It lets you keep adding points to their skill tree, that's about all

And the arm glows

[unborn rain]

aren't all pacts like that?

[solid musk]

no

[unborn rain]

I mean, lore side of things it's different but if in practice it's the same you're just duplicating an existing pact for no reason

it's odd

[drowsy crypt]

I'd say the additional points is really nice

[unborn rain]

so it has more points to upgrade

[drowsy crypt]

Yeah I mean it adds to your existing pacts points.

So if you have Sirin for example at max that's 30 points. If you level up a wyld, it's an additional 30 ontop

So when you start playing a rank 0 wyld, you already have 30 points I'm the tree from the non wyld

[unborn rain]

:) nice

[unborn rain]

I would never imagine that, holy moly

ok it's time to level wyld pacts now

[drowsy crypt]

Lmao

It really helps tbh. Classes without wild feel lacking sometimes

[visual radish]

Fyi wylds doesnt have more skillpoints by itself

Also it doesnt have higher virtue boosts or distinct stat upgrades

It is just that the normal pact and the wylds ones have the same skilltree

[lethal dagger]

if your weapon has 4 grace attunement already can you reforge it to get 3 more?

[languid tiger]

My most killed lol

[solid musk]

where can i find that?

@drowsy crypt lol

[languid tiger]

Little Genius companion app

[drowsy crypt]

INTERESTING.

[languid tiger]

Also shows you hours played

[distant jungle]

Can get a bigger hit if you use lights until the final, as it stacks per successful hit.

Heavies use 2 charges, lights only 1.

[solid musk]

dear god

[distant jungle]

The grind beckons you.

At the end, power awaits.

[solid musk]

finally, next weapon

[unborn rain]

wait until you fight him during cogah 🫣

[solid musk]

how much HP do enemies have in cogah?

[unborn rain]

I think so

up to 7 if I'm not mistaken

[unborn rain]

no idea, but I know their level increases "infinitely"

there must be a cap tho

if you die cogah ends

aah, forgot to mention

the thing with cogah is that you are debuffed

[drowsy crypt]

It's 5 I think because at 5 it turns gold

[distant jungle]

Yeah, but also no weapon has 4 grace pips so idk what they're referring to.

But 5 is the max for any one virtue.

[lethal dagger]

i have 4 courage on a weapon from the bear boss so it looks like i shouldsnt invest any more into it, but if i put +3 grace attunement that would still cap the total to 5 or i would get 7 in total?

[distant jungle]

Oh huh, does Marrow's Bane start with 4 damn Courage pips? Lmao. I think it'd be the only that starts with 4 of anything then.

[distant jungle]

And it'd cap at 5.

[lethal dagger]

so 4 courage and 1 grace ?

that kinda sucks xD

[distant jungle]

Oh, you said grace, then it's not 7, it's just 4 and 3.

I misread your wording.

The cap for any one virtue is 5.

Other than that, no cap exists.

[lethal dagger]

Oh ok ty thats all i wantewd to know

[limber panther]

hi guys, got the preludes access years ago when the deer boss launched, but never touched it again till now, so much has been updated!

[unborn rain]

yeah it sucks because the UI changes to gold at 5 and you can't see when there is more

at least I guess I heard people complaining about it

maybe I'm tripping

[keen seal]

did they change that or sum

[limber panther]

how do i call the sparrow? it says follow the sparrow after selecting class and nightfold

[spare badge]

It doesn't on Paragon for some reason.

[keen seal]

i have weapons with 6 pips

wait nvm 5

[spare badge]

Whatever you've got guide set to.

[unborn rain]

yeah so that confirms the issue 😆

[keen seal]

but it still shows as 5

[spare badge]

Check your key/button bindings.

[keen seal]

it doesnt show the golden icon anymore when i upgrade weapons to 5 pips now

[unborn rain]

my default is G I guess

[unborn rain]

visual glitch?

[unborn rain]

so it's past 5

I can't remember of the top of my head

[keen seal]

ok ye i checked

6 is gold icon which is max

[drowsy crypt]

This happened with my juniper. When I looked at adding 3 spirit it showed all 5. When I added 3 grace it turned gold instead of showing all 5

[keen seal]

ye

it used to be that it turns gold at 5

[limber panther]

worked

[keen seal]

probably a small oversight im guessing they fixed it already

[sly escarp]

This has been a consistent UI issue for spirit since p14 dropped

[distant jungle]

The max is 5, it's just displayed incorrectly.

[sly escarp]

Functionally it still caps at 5

[keen seal]

how so

[distant jungle]

For Spirit in particular.

It lists 5 pips instead of combining into the golden one.

[spare badge]

According to the patch notes when they introduced it, it's supposed to turn gold at 5 or above.

[sly escarp]

And combines at 6 instead for some reason

[keen seal]

yea but

thats what im saying im pretty sure they bumped it up to 6

[distant jungle]

They did not.

[sly escarp]

No, the cap is still functionally 5

[distant jungle]

It's a display issue with Spirit only.

It is still 5.

[sly escarp]

It's been tested fairly thoroughly.

[keen seal]

cuz it meant that any weapon with 3 attunement in a stat ended up being gold with either 2 or 3 extra pips

[distant jungle]

That is still true.

[sly escarp]

Basically: Spirit UI shows it maxes at 6. But functionally it still caps at 5.

One or the other is a bug.

[keen seal]

what does this have to do with spirit

[limber panther]

and now i cant seem to shoot my bow? 😭

[sly escarp]

Only the spirit pips show gold at 6

[drowsy crypt]

Spirit is the only virtue effected by the bug

[keen seal]

ohhh

[sly escarp]

Grace and Courage still collapse to gold at 5 properly

[keen seal]

i see now

[unborn rain]

I swear I saw 7 somewhere

[keen seal]

i wish they'd just have someone go through all the UI bugs and fix them

it cant be this hard to fix something as simple as damage numbers not displaying properly

[drowsy crypt]

Let them cook bro. Pre alpha.

[sly escarp]

Sorry, which damage numbers aren't showing properly?

[keen seal]

i get that but like bro 😭

[sly escarp]

We do recall a bug with those with Orst but that one did get fixed iirc

[distant jungle]

All of them.

[keen seal]

a lot bro

[sly escarp]

Oh dear.

[distant jungle]

The UI for damage on a weapon lies to you.

Real numbers are on the wiki for max scaled damage.

[sly escarp]

Is this a recent thing then?

[distant jungle]

None of the ones in-game are accurate.

[keen seal]

if not all. u test a weapon on a barrel/crate and it shows a completely different value for a lot of weapons

[distant jungle]

Nope, it's been there for a while.

[drowsy crypt]

We are essentially play testers , I'm sure they fix things on a priority basis and this seems low priority.

[spare badge]

I mean... This isn't a joke topic I made... We really could use something like this to fix a lot of stuff. https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1507185618277503056

[sly escarp]

Dang, we must have missed this for a bit then

[distant jungle]

Like, Greatswords listing charged damage in the 400s?

Real damage, about 340, max charge.

Seathorn lists max charged in the 300s but is at about 540.

[sly escarp]

Is this only for charged attacks or for base?

[distant jungle]

I think base is a bit off too.

[sly escarp]

Interesting.

[keen seal]

ya base is a lil off as well but not as much as charged attacks

[distant jungle]

If you look at a weapon and it does not match the max on the wiki, it's cus the in-game UI is wrong.

The wiki numbers have been thoroughly tested.

[sly escarp]

Any idea when this might have happened? The base damage info seemed pretty solid in p13/early p14.

[distant jungle]

I remember Purity listing a max in the 400s since like, it first came out.

And apparently that number was never accurate, so at least as far back as its introduction.

Just Greatswords as a grip type.

[keen seal]

idk ive never really looked into it too much but im pretty end-game rn so ive been noticing it a lot as of recent

[sly escarp]

Any weapons folks know for sure has a base damage issue?

Wanna check some stuff

[distant jungle]

I can log-in and just start comparing numbers to the wiki.

The wiki numbers are right right now.

So if you're at max scaling on the in-game UI and it's not changing when you change your virtues, and the wiki still lists a different number, then the UI is wrong.

[sly escarp]

Okay, but the base damage numbers are accurate?

Like, the level 0, no scaling damage numbers

[distant jungle]

Idk, I just know about the maxes being wrong.

Okay, Avex has an accurate light.

[sly escarp]

If the number caps are wrong the listed base numbers must be wrong. We're checking the wiki numbers and they properly follow the 2.5x rule on the normal attack.

[distant jungle]

But the charged is slightly off. So it may just be charged attacks that aren't accurate.

[sly escarp]

If the charged numbers are off that would make a lot more sense, personally usually calculating normal caps.

[distant jungle]

Rook has an accurate light yeah.

It's only the charged that's way off.

[fathom wing]

Anyone knows when can we buy with steam?

[sly escarp]

No stated steam release date yet

[distant jungle]

My rook lists a cap of 433 on charged but the actual cap is 379.

They did say they hope for a steam release by the end of the year.

And it wouldn't be buy, it'd just be download and play.

Founders wound end before then.

[sly escarp]

Wait, sorry, you said Purity damage was capping at 500???

[distant jungle]

No Seathorn.

[sly escarp]

Ah okay

[distant jungle]

Seathorn heavy is beyond 500.

Far beyond what the in-game UI lists it.

It has an unusually strong heavy, though Sili has stronger lights.

[drowsy crypt]

Seathorn my beloved

[fathom wing]

I just liked the game for past couple days and wanted to buy all that stuff as support for all great work they done special sounds and all but sadly I can only pay with steam wallet

[sly escarp]

Hmm...base damage mult 11.25 for seathorn.

5 for purity

[languid tiger]

Can you only unlock this one by doing "The Waste Bear" fable?

[sly escarp]

Yes

[languid tiger]

And if you dont get smite proc you gotta keep doing the fable until you get it? Lol

[sly escarp]

Erstroot 11.25 again

[distant jungle]

Nah the Wraith, the Agari version, is just a normal boss after.

Unless Wazzard is somehow a dif entry.

I'm not actually sure on that.

[bitter torrent]

What does good mace look like?

[sly escarp]

Silistavf...7.5?

[languid tiger]

It seemingly is a different entry

[distant jungle]

Oh, then yes, have fun I guess lmao.

[sly escarp]

Okay, what on earth

There's no consistency to heavy limits

[distant jungle]

I mean, I don't personally mind that. Some weapons can be better at lights, others at heavies, can diversify weapons a lil and give reason to them existing.

[sly escarp]

Gwylen is 9...?

[distant jungle]

The UI needs to be made accurate though, that needs fixing.

And it's a pretty important fix.

[sly escarp]

We need the UI cap numbers. We'll probably pull those tomorrow.

We're not sure what's broken, the damage or the UI

It's possible the cap you can visually see in game is what's intended

With how clean these numbers are, it seems likely the damage is correct, but want to compare some math.

[distant jungle]

I figure the UI should just reference the damage though, shouldn't it? So the UI being broken feels more likely.

Unless both are somehow independently calculated.

Despite wanting to arrive at the same number.

[sly escarp]

Likely, both use the damage stat of the weapon 9bject in some way

But clearly, one or the other is being interfered with by something

Which is leading to a disconnect

Either there's some code acting on the UI number, or something is impacting the damage dealt.

Is there an open bug thread for the UI issues? Wanna save it to add findings to tomorrow

[distant jungle]

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1487510097797320765

[sly escarp]

TY!

[languid tiger]

Can you not abandon fable replays?

[rugged smelt]

does not wazzards wish (the pendant) frop from teh corrupted wazzard in sides stake?? ive been farming it for days and havent got a single fragment to drop. is it just a really really low drop chance or does it ceom from something else? both wikis say it drops from there?

[spare badge]

And maybe even after you've got 'im in the journel. https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1498726349223886898

[languid tiger]

Yeah I just did Waste Beat replay once didnt get smite proc, running again to see if the fable boss is the journal entry

[spare badge]

It should. Could be the RNG is being evil.

[spare badge]

Orengall pact howl + non-Avex bow + fully charged arrow rain + Alca's Breath + Squirrel (+smite chance) + Duck (+smite chance on fully charged attack) = maximum smite chance.

Since DE nerfed the arrow hail, each hit only does like 1 damage to many enemies.

[languid tiger]

my bow is level 30 and shreds him lmao oops

even the hail. I might die and see if I can get a low level bow and redo

[spare badge]

Stick the bow on a loadout that doesn't work with its attunement requirement.

[languid tiger]

True, smart

[spare badge]

Seems like that would be less hassle than waiting for a new bow to build, and I'd advise against spending arcs to rush build one.

[languid tiger]

ok confirmed

you have to replay the fable

Looks like you can only smite him once per fight

[spare badge]

Yeah. Same for all bosses.

Is why I'm annoyed that the game keeps erasing my progress on D-Nimrod and Nimrod.

[languid tiger]

Yeah, so fastest way is to start fight, get the smite. Die. Relog. Do again

[spare badge]

I think for nimrod, that causes the collector event to flag as ended?

[languid tiger]

Not sure but for wazzard. I don't really want to play out an entire 15 minute fable lol

[livid basalt]

Question, has anyone else ever had the ocean completely vanished after swimming out and touching a ship?
Totally asking for a friend thats running around the now wasteland setting of an ocean floor

[languid tiger]

Give us some screenshots

[spare badge]

That's being under the ocean, OOB.

Also, F6 in-game for screenshots.

The f6 screenshots have metadata that DE can use for bug tracking stuff.

[livid basalt]

Thank you ill be F6ing fot a bit

[spare badge]

Going OOB has long allowed us to be able to walk around under the ocean. up to the edge of the map (you can fall off, but then you die). Swimming being a new thing, I suspect that perhaps they didn't extend it all the way out to the edges of the map.

[livid basalt]

So far can report you can access the south edge but the east edge does seem to have a proper invisible wall

[spare badge]

Screenshots of some old exploration. Also, yeah, that's where the suns and moon hide.

[livid basalt]

Ohh that makes sense

[spare badge]

The 3 there with odd colors is cause they were taken with Werewalker. He's handy for exploring holes in the ground and such.

The ocean floor can be kinda calming at night. Just kinda nice to sometimes visit and relax a bit.

[livid basalt]

Agreed, kinda reminds me of the race the sun game

[languid tiger]

Does this mean I still have lore to find?

[spare badge]

Not at that location.

[languid tiger]

Hmm. Interesting. Little Genius says I still have lore to find at Salzbrim or something

[spare badge]

Once you've fully uncovered the name of a place, then it's completed.

[spare badge]

Might try and restart it? Could be it's not synched proprerly or something.

If that don't work, then you'd need to ask on the Avakot discord.

[distant jungle]

Careful here, the 'no advertising' rule is taken very seriously and someone got told off for similar.

[languid tiger]

Tried that unfortunately didn't work.

On a similar note. Anyone know what this place is meant to be? Idk where it came from or where the S came from either lol

[spare badge]

Telling someone that they need to ask the makers of the 3rd party software isn't advertising. It's just reminding them that DE doesn't make what they're already using. A bit like telling someone to ask over there if they're having problems with Soulmap or the avakot wiki.

[spare badge]

That's the southeastern swamp.

Specifically, the dungeon within it.

[languid tiger]

Thank you sir

[distant jungle]

The correct answer is 'this isn't the correct place to ask questions about third party software' or something like that.

Directing someone elsewhere is against that rule apparently. We should not point people to other discords.

Just saying what I've seen enforced.

[spare badge]

Eh. It's like someone asking what's wrong with their F150 and telling them to go to the Ford dealership...

[halcyon comet]

Honestly I am pretty hyped for guilds to eventually come out one day. W guild of OG players 🙂‍↕️

[sonic sage]

anyone come across this room before or know what the three stones on the floor are about?
i tried getting to the platform up top but the door is blocked from the other side

[distant jungle]

Guild that needs an original Paragon to enter, introduce elitism early and be a bunch of cranky old-timers.

Would join, honestly, just cus it sounds funny.

The elitism obviously being a joke.

[halcyon comet]

Oh goodness no I didn't mean it in that sense. My thoughts were more a guild of the OG's that are active in here and stuff and can help new players and have a strong foundation ;>

[distant jungle]

Well yeah but being a bunch of cranky founders in theme sounds amusing.

The 'back in my day' jokes.

[halcyon comet]

The elders of soulframe

[halcyon comet]

Genuinely people sharing their screenshots yesterday of '24 and '25 soulframe got me thinking about it

The idea quite literally stemmed from "back in the old times"

[distant jungle]

Literally whole theme is just being old. Guild hall, however it takes shape, decorated around being old.

Just vibe the heck out of it.

[barren scroll]

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[halcyon comet]

time to have this pinned in a clipboard if you dont already 😂

[distant jungle]

I do hope we get a decoratable guild thingy eventually like WF, though idk what form it'd take.

It's just neat to have hubs like that.

[halcyon comet]

hmmmm the castle in the sky maybe

[naive cloud]

guilds are something I'm looking forward to aswell

[halcyon comet]

im slowly tryna gather a friends list of W members

[distant jungle]

Pretty sure the only castles in the sky are Ode and they'd take offense to that lol. They are the ones with airships.

[blissful bramble]

I wonder if I can steal one and fly it screaming into one of their castles playing free bird. After all, I freed it from their foul clutches and am flying it like a very angry bird XDD

[frank scarab]

im planning to get marrows bone longsowrd (4 courage), and i'm currently maxing courage, is it better to max the marrows in joinery or is it better to add spirit and rebalance my virtue to courage / spirit?

what im trying to say is, would it be better a pure virtue or a mied virtue or it depends?

[distant jungle]

Depends on build, I just slapped a courage joinery on mine cus I lean Courage.

I wouldn't build around a single weapon.

[blissful bramble]

This is just me and I might be a very bad opinion, but I go full courage, more bonk per bonk

[distant jungle]

I keep near a 2:1:1 ratio.

15 in both Spirit and Grace gives me a good chunk of bonus from each and most weapon reqs.

33 Courage. Still great damage and armor scaling.

[frank scarab]

because im trying to build in marrows bone which hgas alreayd 4 courage and i was thinking if it might be a waste to add another 1 courage and add 3 spirit instead in joinery

but anyways thanks guys, ill go full bonkers then

[distant jungle]

All scaling does is work towards a cap.

You can easily reach that damage cap if you just go primary courage, not even full.

So it's ultimately less important of a decision than it may first appear.

It's towards a goal that is fairly easy to meet.

Actually, huh, I apparently am not capping Marrow's Bane at 33 Courage.

I'm hitting for 170 instead of 189 on lights.

So you may need to really pump Courage if you keep it pure.

Well, you gain some you lose some.

[halcyon comet]

taking it over just to turn it into a sanctuary for old-heads is even more of a slap in the face then

[frank scarab]

i see thank you

[distant jungle]

10/10

[scenic solar]

Is there any way to point by point accurately move the Virtue cursor?

Trying to see if I can get an even split on the combo set ups

[halcyon comet]

other than just dragging it slowly not really

[distant jungle]

Nope, a weakness of the new slider, you have to fuss with it.

[halcyon comet]

you can drag it slow enough to change it point by point but not change point values manually ;-;

[scenic solar]

how would controller players do it then?

[halcyon comet]

oh yikes I didnt even think about that

with a lot of pain I imagine 😭

[scenic solar]

(was hoping to abuse that part of the controls since arrow keys still snap to stuff, including the virtue art)

but yea, combos, i'm getting 15-17-1, but it won't let me get 16-16-1 >_>

I want an even split...

[distant jungle]

Very probably possible, but annoying to finagle.

[scenic solar]

well managed to get an 11-11-11 on paragon...

[distant jungle]

Yeah it's possible to get an even split.

Ignore the 11 it's getting a +9 collectively.

And it's +1 from my values being not evenly splittable.

[scenic solar]

i'm talking before it locks in

[distant jungle]

Ah that, yeah idk. Is that important somehow?

I figured the end numbers would be what is desired.

[scenic solar]

Covering bases, and being able to use different gear on different pacts

Full Grace Duelo for example can't use Avex for example

[distant jungle]

Well Pact isn't important there, you'd just want your end Courage to be at least 13.

Personally I use all three +6 nodes on every pact.

First priority is Sympathy and Voided, second is that.

[scenic solar]

The extra annoying thing is the fact the damn slider MOVES AROUND WITHOUT ANY INPUT

it shouldn't be THIS hard to get this damn thing where you want it

[cerulean bridge]

did smite chances get nerfed in the latest hotfix?

[halcyon comet]

not afaik and havent noticed any difference. Might have missed something though

[random hill]

My sanity is getting nerfed by this mace farm

[distant jungle]

Mood.

[naive cloud]

That’s why I stopped bothering lol, they’re going to add a refinement process soon so I’d rather just wait to see how that goes

[languid tiger]

What's the best craftwork level?

[distant jungle]

Legendary.

[cerulean bridge]

I could have sworn The Paragon was 9 in 100 instead of 7 in 100, or Royal Tines was 9 in 100 instead of 3 in 50

I just looked at the values yesterday

[random hill]

Yeah I should probably put the brakes on it but my goblin brain needs either a moonsteel or legendary

[naive cloud]

I’m just not gunna bother wasting my time with a system that doesn’t respect my time 😅 but that’s just me lol

[halcyon comet]

didnt have anything like totems or perks increasing them? idk if those show on the base stat page or not

[knotty imp]

farm liths in the meantime lmao

[distant jungle]

They do, iirc.

[cerulean bridge]

I see now... the inventory shows the weapon's base value while the "arsenal" shows the adjusted value from totems

I thought i was going nuts...

[halcyon comet]

hahaha yeah I remember seeing them change breifly when tweaking some stuff a few days ago

I think that rule applies to everything. Looking at it from inventory shows the items stats normally and when looking at anything through your arsenal in nightfold it shows the stats with all current bonuses

[cerulean bridge]

just like you can't see if you have a moonsteal Orst unless you're at the arsenal

[halcyon comet]

Besides virtues actually. I noticed that it doesnt show me my actual virtues with buffs apllies just my base ones

[halcyon comet]

Yeah true. Not sure if intended or an oversight

[spare badge]

Feels like an oversight, as there was no "hey you need to check your arsenal to see this" notice anywhere. Combined with being able to sell items directly from inventory...

[halcyon comet]

hard to determine cause from what ive gathered there are a lottttt of small tips and 'heads up' for most things atm that I guess will come later with feedback that is provided with what is straightforward and what new players might need some direction for

[distant jungle]

We need to see not only the moonsteel effect at a glance, without even clicking on the item, but the craftwork tier.

Both of those need to be on the mini UI box itself so you can see them at a glance.

[halcyon comet]

wondering if ive sold any moonteel orsts >.<

[cerulean bridge]

Grey, Green, Blue, Purple, Orange, Red
around the border
silver leaf icon in the corner for moonsteel

[spare badge]

I'm not a new player and I'm just now learning that you have to see it in your arsenel. Makes me wonder if I've sold some moonsteel without knowing it.

[cerulean bridge]

probably not, but there is a chance

https://tenor.com/view/midnight-staley-so-youre-telling-me-there-a-chance-so-youre-saying-theres-a-chance-theres-a-chance-dumb-and-dumber-gif-20895000

[halcyon comet]

thats what I mean, there are a lot of things we're all having to learn by just figuring it out and help from others, that I am sure with proper feedback will in future either be made to be super straightforward or they'll add a lil tip or something to help new players in the future

sorry wasnt super clear with what I meant there

[spare badge]

It's 3:30 am. Confusion is normal. I'll bother with re-checking what ones I've got later on.

[halcyon comet]

the late-night soulframe grind 🔥

[spare badge]

Early morning. It stops being "late night" once midnight rolls around. (insomniac joke).

[halcyon comet]

but yeah, anything like that where you ever think of something that could be improved dont hesitate to pop that straight into the feedback channel. That's what the preludes are all about :D

[cerulean bridge]

I just spent the last 3.5 hours farming banners in cogah...

[halcyon comet]

the more of us that provide feedback on small things like that, the easier it is for DE to recognise what will be beneficial for release when working on smaller things throughout updates

[spare badge]

Yep.

[cerulean bridge]

I think I've submitted 2 tickets possibly

the only one I can see right now is about Dual Dagger Stealth Finishers dealing half as much damage as they should

that being said, Emberaught on Royal Tines is really good

imo

I've only really used it for farming banners at this point...

[halcyon comet]

yeah im just holding on to a little list of mainly QOL stuff that ill eventually post as one feedback thread

[spare badge]

There's a difference between using the #1438224662344761345 and #1438224825113120788 channels and submitting support tickets. One should file a support ticket if you've got a bug that relog, cache optimize, verify, and uninstall and reinstall with freshly downloaded installer won't fix.

[cerulean bridge]

yeah, I submitted it as a Feedback ticet

since I don't view it as a bug... just a design oversight

[lofty iron]

Hi. Is anyone else having the problem where the Tempers on the new weapon aren't displaying correctly?

[spare badge]

I think I've seen someone mention that.

Check bug reports and maybe sift through posts in the search bar?

[lofty iron]

O.k. Thanks

[spare badge]

If you find a bug report topic, add to the stack, so that DE's got some more info on it. If you can't find one, make one.

[halcyon comet]

ah okay yeah sorry by tickets I also thought you meant like support ticket

[glad sapphire]

hey, can you save game by yourself?

because everytime I login I'm behind with quests

[regal shadow]

It's a live service game, servers save your progress, which quests are you behind with?

[glad sapphire]

I have to change my lang to english and I will let you know

I did already return to him yesterday finishing quest. I did everything in my camp and logouted

and this is not first time so it can be little annoying

[silk quarry]

Hello, I haven't played in a long time, could someone tell me how I can carry two weapons? What do I have to do?

[trim willow]

you have to unlock a side arm

for that you need the blacksmith

[glad sapphire]

is there somekind of fast travel?

would be nice if we had some sprint option or mount 😭

[trim willow]

did you do the arbearer fable?

once you finish that youll unlock the ability to fast travel

[glad sapphire]

that's great then 🍷

[earnest perch]

Is there a cap to how much armor u can strip off from a boss or a mob?

[verbal fulcrum]

new to the game, I assume the monetization is the same as in warframe? as in, you can get every pact by just playing

[trim willow]

yep that is so

except for the wyld versions of the starter pacts

[finite stone]

they will be obtainable by playing in the future, same with the wyld weapons too

[verbal fulcrum]

is the premium currency earnable here too?

[hexed field]

How does pull smite damage work? I've noticed sometimes I'll smite for no damage without the relevant pact node active, and sometimes I'll smite and still deal damage in spite of not having the pact node. is it a certain percentage of health an enemy has left that causes smite to be able to kill them?

[hexed field]

not yet to my knowledge. the only things you can't get right now naturally are the tied to the founders packs.

[halcyon comet]

if you have totems or perks that include dealing damage on smite then you'll deal damage. Otherwise just gives you the normal buffs of pulling smite. Same goes for healing on pull smite

Totems can offer damage dealt on smite as well as perks

[hexed field]

I have nothing relating to that unless it's naturally tied into anything I'm using, and a cursory exploration of my equipped... everything... shows only increased smite chances, not damage.

I'm at a loss

[halcyon comet]

im not too sure if there are any pacts or anything that provide that or if theres supposed to be a base damage dealt

[hexed field]

seems to be only when i expect to kill on smite that I don't

orengal naturally does it? that's my current pact

[halcyon comet]

possibly, I havent done any deep reading on smite tbh

[hexed field]

Smite is so incredibly low for how much seems to rely on it, even with increased chances.

very inconsistent between sessions too. I'm pulling smite left and right now, but last session hardly anything

nothing about my loadout has changed, as I'm grinding this poleaxe, pact and precklies

[exotic gale]

Does anybody know what these are and how to get them?
I've already collected all the history motes and I'm maxed out on faction for all 3. I've done Kearnhold more times than I can count

[hexed field]

what dis?

[finite stone]

Someone had the same exact incomplete entries earlier #gameplay-discussion message and I've just checked mine and it's the same, so dw I think it's just a temporary bug in Little Genius - feel free to open a support thread in the relevant server (can't link as would break rule 4) but I think the dev should already be on it 👍

[hexed field]

You can only release totems and runes within the arsenal?

[finite stone]

Yes and only one at a time and only after holding the input down 😭 it... really needs a little QoL. It's been out since last november

I think it actually got worse as well, it didn't used to force you to hold it down, it used to be a nice quick tap (still bad since it was one at a time tho)

[hexed field]

welp. time to work thru the 277 releasable items I have in that category...

that "hold to release" confirmation only appears to be half implemented. only on runes. totems can be released far faster.

this'll be quicker than I thought...

[finite stone]

phew!

[hexed field]

'cause you really only need one of each rune/totem right, because they aren't consumed like mods in WF, just remembered and reapplied/equipped by the weapon when it's in use?

[finite stone]

You only need one of each rune, but for a full collection you would technically need 3 of each totem (since the same totem can be equipped in attack, defense and utility for different effects)

[hexed field]

having 13x "the lively" is useless to me.

[fallow arch]

oh god they are evolving the cage

[tacit panther]

yes its art :

[halcyon comet]

oh gosh... first theyre putting chests inside of cages, now theyre putting cages inside of cages 😭

cage-ception

[sour pilot]

I'm debating on making the Garron or Duelo pact, what do you folks think?

[smoky crater]

make the one you think might be more interesting 👀

or if you wanna leave the interesting one for last

[sour pilot]

They both intrigue me both a lot, so I'm a little stumped x3

[quick junco]

Easy solution. Make both

[smoky crater]

truuu

[dire python]

gon be honest with yall I don't think I'm built for the polearm life...

[quick junco]

Same here. I love the shortswords though

[dire python]

I liked the Purity when I used it but now I'm a longsword lover

[echo heron]

crashed for the 2nd time after trigger elevator

client side

[undone minnow]

That's a new one

[echo heron]

[knotty imp]

is there a way to see total playtime in hours somewhere?

[undone minnow]

Not in-game

[coral rock]

Is ode tempest as ridiculously overturned as it feels? I'm using odiac and the big mace that rolls random affixes when it drops and it feels I n s a n e

[waxen flower]

they did buff it recently but i havent tried it yet

did they fix the grapple melee?

[undone minnow]

Grapple melee?

[waxen flower]

ye

[echo heron]

add your soulframe to steam

as launcher

[waxen flower]

tempest has a unique "kick" which is a grapple that closes the distance from very far away

[undone minnow]

Ah

[waxen flower]

very fun

[knotty imp]

but it then only tracks hours after you added it, not all hours retroactively

[undone minnow]

That still sometimes happens, but not specifically with ode tempest

[waxen flower]

no like its a grapple animation it launches a rope and gap closes

[undone minnow]

You can view your total playtime with a third party app, but that requires you to be comfortable using one

[frank scarab]

does this fellust skill in tethren really based on the number of swing and not by hit? it is really intended this way? kind of let down for me

[undone minnow]

Oh. I did not know that

[waxen flower]

yep very fun

[undone minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-kombat-scorpion-get-over-here-mk11-mortal-kombat11-gif-17129778

[waxen flower]

yep you need to hit stuff, if you miss you'll lose one charge

[knotty imp]

if it requires running the game while the app is on then no, ain't about to be randomly banned for some bs

[smoky crater]

Valid

[echo heron]

smite softlock

[smoky crater]

Lul

[echo heron]

it worked

[naive cloud]

try it with flyblades, thank me later 😉

[knotty imp]

this may be the only downside for one of the most insane dps skills in the entire game, my guy

[echo heron]

is the clives drop nonexistent or what

[naive cloud]

no it exists, just kinda rare

[echo heron]

ref do something

do something ref 😭

its been dozens of organs

[undone minnow]

I have terrible news

Clivers doesn't drop from The Organ

[undone minnow]

It was changed in p13 hotfix 2 since it was diluting the loot pool

[echo heron]

🗿

who is that

[quick junco]

who is who?

[undone minnow]

The two spiders and the dungeon dog agari

Seachnall is also a dungeon agari

[echo heron]

cogah?

or non cogah

[echo heron]

so neath uns and glade spawns

[undone minnow]

Non-cogah

And yeah, neathuns and glades

[echo heron]

can i buy a resource drop chance booster

[smoky crater]

no

[undone minnow]

Man, co-op has so many odd bugs

[toxic bridge]

yep

ive had most of em with story progression but not alot with general gameplay but doing quests together causes alot of desync for the progression of it

[knotty imp]

for most things i suggest solo

[undone minnow]

One's I've found recently are: Speed tech that lets you go insanely fast on water, mestre Duels letting you use your sidearms, and that going fast for an extended period of time increases your fire rate

[knotty imp]

only reason to group up is either arena or boss sharing for timed events, also more people in a group = higher level mobs which can affect some drops

[undone minnow]

Oh yeah, and you can double jump

[dire python]

Mestra give me Espadarte fragments please I’m begging you

[finite stone]

That's one of its two drop sources, the other is Mestra Carmo

[dusty hatch]

Oh did they change it? On Duelo Prelude release she only dropped Navalha

[finite stone]

Yes, hotfix 3

[finite stone]

I think I got lucky I ran all 8 shipwrecks in a row yesterday and got both frags

[dusty hatch]

I see, thanks! Would still farm this from the siege imo, or mix it up at least

[smoky crater]

Not allowed to ask for keys here

[naive cloud]

it honestly surprises me how many people just completely disregard the rules 🥲

[undone minnow]

There are rules here?

[smoky crater]

[dull wave]

why cant i equip the crows grace stuff

[sour pilot]

Is there a way to respawn myself? I'm stuck in terrain :(

[neat citrus]

type /unstuck in chat

it doesn't respawn you, but it may unstick you from the terrain

[sour pilot]

No luck! Guess I'm gonna relog x3

Sucks to lose the "kill the stag" vocation, but eh

[jovial moss]

where to find Vadagar Stag?

[trim willow]

go to any area with goo, either it will spawn or the bear will

like behind the shack where you fight the Nimrod first

[echo heron]

does client still receives bounties exp?

despite different faction

ight good

[finite stone]

Yep, not just exp, but rewards as well! They'll get the reward from their own Enclave as if they did it in their own world

[echo heron]

ight nice

[frank meteor]

will all weapons be reworked to be open world drop in 15? is it worth crafting them?

[finite stone]

A lot of them will, but not all - DE said some of them will be 'ancients' tier (might be a WIP name) and they'll still be crafted

As for whether it's worth crafting, I don't think anyone can say with 100% certainty right now, but just play the game as much as you want/enjoy it imo!

[turbid cedar]

Wat

[naive merlin]

yo guys where can i buy ode tempest?!

[turbid cedar]

Alca’s Children or Silent Rose at max rank, Kith of Kings gives Mora’s Hand instead

[naive merlin]

so i need to max it huh

by doing missions?

[turbid cedar]

yes, and some enemies also drop items you can sell to get extra standing

[prisma folio]

water almost doesn't work. A lot of places up north you walk through water like its not there it probably effects npcs differently from us

[naive merlin]

:333333

[solid swift]

This may sound a dumb question and i don't know if this is the right place to ask for it, but does the codes for Envoy Longsword skins for WF have an expiration date? Or can I save them for the eternity to gift future friends?

The pruludes codes obviously expires when Preludes ends, but i found nothing on google about the Longsword codes for WF. I don't want to give them away yet, I want to give them to close friends that I know that will actually play the game, but also don't want to lose the codes or not knowing they expire lmao.

[sinful scarab]

future “friends” you say

[drowsy crypt]

Dang I haven't even logged into warframe since I bought founders so I have yet to do that

[solid swift]

The skin is super nice, even tho I barelly use longswords. Not the same appeal of a Exca Prime xD

[elder fable]

Same

Warframe isnt half as fun as Soulframe to me so... no WF hours

[drowsy crypt]

How many longsword skins does Paragon get

[solid swift]

definitelly friends xD I mean, unless I wait 10 years for it to cost more than what I paid for founders, but I don't even think I'll be on gaming 10 years from now

[solid swift]

6

[elder fable]

I mean... is Excalibur Prime even that appealing to begin with? its a warframe and its an ugly skin lol. You can tell it was the first

[solid swift]

having it always make you have the highest MR 6 months before anyone else

[wide junco]

Where's the blacksmith?

[elder fable]

Jokes on you, Ive been playing for 12 years and I never hit even 1/10th the highest MR id bet

its just trades and mod capacity i think isnt it?

[solid swift]

DE makes sure to always make the next MR level be between 6-12K before the next update (it may not be proposital, but it is what happening since the LR1, and now we're on MR6, so at least 4 years of this happening now)

So having exca prime, lato prime and skana prime always puts you sinx months ahead

[solid swift]

basically, and status (the most important lmao)

[drowsy crypt]

There's more incentive to MR in soulframe so I have been powering through gear

[elder fable]

ngl the status never appealed to me

[solid swift]

flexing the Exca Prime is always cool, let's not pretend it isn't xD

[elder fable]

Eh I dont think it is? But like yeah I dont remember what my MR is on WF

[sinful scarab]

iirc they never talked about it, so we don’t know if they expire

[elder fable]

Not even sure how to check without logging in

[solid swift]

if you log in the WF site it shows your MR and your plat ammount on the top right corner

you need to log on the site at least

[elder fable]

oh i need to login on the steam website. I forgot steam has a website

lol

[solid swift]

Yeah, it is probably to early to think about it, so not many people talking about it. Not that I'm not planing to sell them or anything, just know if I can lose them.

[drowsy crypt]

I don't even have friends that play warframe and I've got like 6 longsword codes

[elder fable]

Behold my 12 years of MR

damn

[solid swift]

it was a long way for me on WF, now I want to reach the highest on SF. Not because of status in this case, just so I don't need to worry about the catch back of new content.

NGL it is like being free from the shackles to be able to just enjoy the new content without worrying about farm something from 30 updates ago.

[elder fable]

I dont think you can make me hit LR if you said youd kill my entire family

[solid swift]

especially because i have a huge backlog of single player games. SF and WF are the only multiplayer/game as services I play

[elder fable]

And im talking LR1

i like... 1 weapon. And thats about it. Hate leveling everything else so I dont lol

WF really ends up as "Yeah this... isnt fun Ill just use the weapon that I enjoy which is maxed"

I dunno how people suffer through other weapons but completionists i guess

i say that but i have everything maxed on SF

[distant jungle]

I too have maxed everything so I am back to my beloved Gath.

[elder fable]

Everything discovered. Little Genius seems to have a bad habit of forgetting locations especially enclaves for some reason

[solid swift]

the SF skin is pretty nice tho

[elder fable]

I want us to get a dating minigame with Wyld Omen Beasts. Make them humanoid, date Orengall time bois

They already did datable warframes

[distant jungle]

I mean, I'm ace so I wouldn't know weird this is or isn't, but I'm pretty sure they pass the harkness test as-is.

[elder fable]

they 100% do

[solid swift]

MR18–21 is kind of a checkpoint for most players, honestly. That is usually the point where you no longer have restrictions to anything, so people get their favorite/meta loadouts and stop caring about MR entirely.

Nothing wrong with that, though. I just ended up loving the game so much, and enjoyed carrying baby Tennos, and when I saw that I was so near to L1, that I eventually decided to max it, and after that, why not keep mainting it? lmao

[elder fable]

yeah i cant make it more than 10. Whenever i try i just quit WF

[solid swift]

that said I'm also loving the more grounded combat of SF, and graphics are gorgeous

[elder fable]

used to be more grounded, its heading in the WF direction of everything is a trash mob. They even unfortunately increased party size to 4

[solid swift]

in WF we have a "soulframe" preview mode they called Duviri. People ended hating it because it is poorly implemented, but with SF we could see the full potential of what they wanted to make

[trim willow]

i wont yuck your yum gang but leave the dog alone

[elder fable]

I mean she could basically be Voruna

[trim willow]

whats voruna?

[solid swift]

For me everything is grounded yet because I have nothing maxed yet, Idk the "average" level of enemies, but I struggle to kill level 25-30 enemies (do I have levels? i don't even know how to check, and I'm still MR1 apparently?)

[elder fable]

warframe

[trim willow]

could also be you entered the side of the map which is slightly higher level

[elder fable]

yeah same leveling as WF with weaopns and pacts. At level 1 you should be fighting stuff on left side of map

Right and top right is the hgih level zones

30 used to be max level of enemies but now it goes higher

[solid swift]

I was trying to play the game "wikiless", and I didn't even found the other world trees yet lmaoooo

[trim willow]

same here but sometimes we gotta take the hint lmao. the area being higher level is gonna kick our ass

[solid swift]

someone sent me a map some days ago I'm planning to rush at least the map revealing

[elder fable]

Id think its quite boring to play wikiless or avakotless

SF is very directionless and at least little genius gives you direction

[solid swift]

oscelda mages enjoying they don't have mana like in soulslikes

[trim willow]

i did it organically, it was fun to just explore an area and come across a tree at random

[elder fable]

as melee you can just parry everything

you cant die if the enemy gets parried

[trim willow]

Tethren ere :) i just spam Orst-III until the enemy is soup

[elder fable]

tethren is the infinite HP gameplay loop

[solid swift]

i'm playing Oscelda since the first day, I haven't even tried the other pacts yet

[elder fable]

theres 12 so far

[solid swift]

but only because I switched pacts, but my virtues were all on spirit and I'm not sure if the currency to rebalance them are rare or not

[trim willow]

you get plenty from the feybles and the bosses

[solid swift]

saddly when you pass the mouse through the items it only says which was the ephemeral meaning of its presence of the indiference on the universe as poem instead of saying what it actually does kek

[solid swift]

still, I need to to consume one each time I want to switch to a pact the requires different atributes, or eventually you get a decent ammount of both courage, spirit and the blue one to swap between classes freely?

[dapper trellis]

I haven’t played the game since preludes 12. Can anyone give a quick run down on what’s added to the game so far?

[drowsy crypt]

Loadouts save virtues so I just have 3 that I swap between right now lol

[trim willow]

make different loadouts :) you can switch between the loadouts without spending lithes

[drowsy crypt]

It's not "ideal" but for MR leveling it's saved me liths

[trim willow]

ive got one for each of my pacts.

[fallow arch]

hmm seems like 20 grace isnt ideal for flitsmoke? maybe its clivers that isnt

[solid swift]

Oh, this helps a lot. So I can just make one green, one red, one blue and one neutral loadout and I'm good?

[drowsy crypt]

Yeah it's not optimal but it works

[solid swift]

well, for now it already helps. I'm not that far on the game yet

[drowsy crypt]

Each class has a nuanced builds later but for right now it should be more than fine

Especially for MR leveling like I mentioned

[prime tartan]

I hope we get more non-sword weapons, like axes and (regular) maces and such. This isn't a suggestion, just a generic hope

I realize it's a fantasy game and you gotta have swords but I'm more a fan of other melee weapons

[finite stone]

Congrats!! and dw, known bug, oreo says he's on it for next version 🫡

[dapper trellis]

Can anyone explain how the new virtue system work?

[finite stone]

Just the new liths from P14.5? Or like the whole new attunement and requirements system from P13?

[fallow arch]

you have to spend a currency to change the virtues for that loadout

part of why people are calling it predatory monetization wise as more loadout slots cost premium currency

[dapper trellis]

So how do you even get the currency for that?

[fallow arch]

killing bosses

[dapper trellis]

There isn’t preset virtue distributions? It seems there was from the update in 13

[fallow arch]

there was

my idea is to keep the current thing but also bring back the virtue prisms from before and the new lith things would be to create custom prisms with

[dapper trellis]

What are liths?

[fallow arch]

thats the currency to change the virtues

[echo heron]

enemy that has the rope doesnt spawn

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bite-speed-gif-27374765

[fallow arch]

so at the moment if you want to switch up virtues you either need to spend that constantly or just set some loadouts for other builds

this should not feel like it needs to be a thing

[dapper trellis]

Yeah don’t like it too much

What are the two white bars underneath my skills UI in combat

[finite stone]

Pact XP and weapon XP

[dapper trellis]

I assume faction quests still remain the same, they are just called votives now

[fallow arch]

I hope we get paragon style joineries, just like not 3 to each just 1 to each virtue would be neat

[smoky crater]

faction quests are under the group of Votives but yes.

since miniquests, collectors, organs and sieges are also all votives

[toxic spoke]

So im curious, and a bit confused, but- How exactly do I farm the fragments for specific things, such as say, Garren Rood's armor set? Do i repeat the quest, or will i simply get them from doing overworld activities in general?

[drowsy crypt]

Certain bosses spawn in over world drop fragments. The big ones are usually at the end of tales

[toxic spoke]

So basically, I gotta boss up is what ur sayin

[drowsy crypt]

Yeah essentially. Recruit chat usually has people saying what boss they have and people can join them for chance at drops

Bosses and sieges

[dapper trellis]

I assume the mini quests are also repeatable and not unique

[smoky crater]

those are unique

one time only

[dapper trellis]

Okay

[smoky crater]

they're semi-easily identifiable tho

[main wadi]

anyone have good virtue blance suggestions? im using the wyld osc founders virtue for my spirit playing still but would like some suggestions for duelo and/or courage/grace builds

[toxic spoke]

Are the bosses not an easily solo-able task? Or is it like any other boss with a big healthbar?

Just want to be sure I havent already encountered them and wasnt realizing lol

[vagrant kayak]

You can solo bosses without too much issue (depending on build/boss level)

[rapid ledge]

Is Barkbare still bugged? cant find anything online.

[vagrant kayak]

Barkbare was fixed in recent Preludes though I've not actively used Bromius in P14 much

[rapid ledge]

WOOOOOOOOOOOO

[half talon]

They are named. If you’ve seen their names pop up you’ll know you fought them. Similar to Sinecure officer

[vagrant kayak]

An easy way to tell if you've fought an Agari is they sprout a white mushroom with red spots upon death, which you pick to get your loot

[waxen flower]

about that why arent vadagar beasts agari already?

[split fjord]

Can i delete my character and make a new fresh start? The last time i played was a year ago and now i'm in a point of the map with enemy that i can't damage, there are wall now on the map and i can't remember nothing of the game

[waxen flower]

they function exzctly the same but they drop the loot under them

[waxen flower]

afaik you have to contact support and they will wipe it for you. there'd no other way right now

[finite stone]

same reasons siege castellans and sinecure officers / gruulseeker selvins aren't I guess; they're just different types of sub-bosses for different content

[knotty moon]

Go to the Nightfold (Tab), play the music emote, then exit the Eternium Gardens, you should exit at the low level area.

You can also replay the tutorial quests to get an idea (Rise, Envoy! and The Tormented Stag).

[waxen flower]

meh

[finite stone]

Open up your Journal and replay the 'Rise, Envoy' fable - it's the new tutorial, and it'll also transport you to the beginning of the game

[split fjord]

And I just wanted to spend some time and see what they added, at this point probably waiting for another year and then let's see if they added the character's wipe

[knotty moon]

There is also the new Orlick (the scribe) quests that kinda guide you through the basics.

[split fjord]

Thanks

[fossil quest]

Hey everyone, how's it going?

Guys, I received my code on May 6th to download the game, but I only saw it today and when I try to redeem it, it gives an error. Does it have an expiration date?

[knotty moon]

That code is for your friends, you should already have access.

If you are talking about the ones in the email.

[distant jungle]

Yeah, getting that email means you have access, the codes sent to you are just for friends.

You should be able to just download the game and log in.

[weak phoenix]

i didnt get any codes but what are friends anyway xd

[prisma tinsel]

Friends, so I finally got rank 5 with a faction and now after i complete missions, I don't get any faction points, is that by design? Because technically now I am rank 5 with 0/30000 points so I should get faction points from missions.

[smoky crater]

there's a daily cap on faction rep

that cap being 16k

[prisma tinsel]

I did not know that....that makes sense. Can I see somewhere if I reached the limit?

[smoky crater]

one way to see it is you no longer get rep from tales

the faction rep items (Bask Bulb, Sineculum, Sinner's Stratagem) go past the cap tho

[distant jungle]

You can sell those collectibles you pick up tho- yea those.

[prisma tinsel]

Thanks a lot for the info!

[distant jungle]

They don't contribute towards the daily cap.

And can still be sold when you have reached it.

[prisma tinsel]

Sold a lot of those...yeah

[sacred girder]

If they get removed I quit

If they contribute to cap, i quit

[finite stone]

Dw they probably won't, they're one of the game's best ever received features by the community

...now Liths, on the other hand? 😉

[sacred girder]

I think i preffered the prisms

Less micro managing and a lot easier to swap between

[distant jungle]

Even though I like this system more for fine-tuning, I would take Prisms over this with Liths.

I'd take this without Liths over both.

[sacred girder]

I cant wait to see how they introduce wyld farming

[glass summit]

Im stuck on oblivio quest with collecting motes in salzbrim

Ive only found one and cant seem to find the others (i did find 2 but the second one didnt count in the journal apparently?)

[knotty moon]

Relog, or enter/exit a dungeon.
That should make more motes spawn.

[frank barn]

Cries " my loot"

Hark collector crate drops are floating

[distant jungle]

Oof.

[upper osprey]

i like this system way more cause of the customization, but the liths being limited can curse a lot of new players..

the thing i got really pissed off is the orst-3, i spent like 2-3 hours to lvl up the mobs to lvl 90 to drop stock-military grade, didnt get the sovereign/legendary ones. the mobs in the map besides agari level up, the agari stays on the same level, so being on normal or cogah agari have the same drop chance, and lvl up the normal mobs to get on the farm route is like pull a pachinko lever it can work you can drop something really nice maybe sovereign or legendary, or stay stationary on the trash drop, got almost 100 orst-3 and more than 20 is base-stock 0 tempers.
insane.

[frank barn]

Prisms were interesting because there was the possibility that prisms could have been expanded to be more interesting items but they were too rare. The current system is basically a better UI on the old point adding/ substracting with an odd cost to change stats now.

[sacred girder]

My first mace was sovereign and I havent tried to farm any since

[frank barn]

I mainly get military/ officer level ones

[upper osprey]

got really lucky!

imagine spent 3 hours to lvl up the mobs to lvl 90 to drop officer military ones after 2 hours of pure farming, is insaaaaaaaaane

[sacred girder]

Very lucky. used all my luck on it really

[upper osprey]

cogah btw ^

[sacred girder]

46 mendikings for 3 purity frags, and im at 10 organs and no avex frag

[upper osprey]

wow.

i droped my avex in the first 3 runs i got on the organs

[sacred girder]

-_- showoff

[frank barn]

Avex was the main thing I got. I had more issue getting wazard

[upper osprey]

c'mon you got a sovereign O-3 xD

[sacred girder]

Im just gonna buy it in an hour or so after my next founder purchase when my paycheck comes in

[upper osprey]

depending on im able to do a share.

kearnhold kairness and moray organ

better than spending arcs on a bow that isnt that great ( on my personal tests)

[main wadi]

losing virtue rebalance attempts even if i cancel out of the, damn.

[smoky crater]

You take that back

[smoky crater]

Cant you just... Click Revert?

[upper osprey]

sorry i just didnt liked the avex bow, juniper blitzel and the starling have a space on my heart haha

[smoky crater]

[sacred girder]

I just dont like bows and want this weapon type done

My aim makes storm troopers look competent

[smoky crater]

I mean... You could always do bow melee

[upper osprey]

i remember when i did 10k dmg with blitzel once with courage tethren build

it was something really satisfying, haha

[sacred girder]

My best was 2k with tethren and purity

[distant jungle]

I only use bow near-melee, at most medium range, cus I suck at headshots from long distance.

And it's still pretty useful to dome people up close.

With or without Avex even.

Though Avex is good for breaking blocks.

Jump shots are also good cus of the float and general safety.

You can drift around while popping heads.

If you spam it you're just kind of very hard to hit lol.

Cus you stay in the air for so long.

[knotty moon]

I feel that would make aiming more difficult rather than easier.

[distant jungle]

If you do it right next to someone, they'll swing at you, whiff low, and their head is like, 2 feet away from you.

If you do it in melee you're close enough that it's an easy shot from relative safety.

And a clear line to their head.

The float keeps you fairly stable.

[knotty moon]

One good way of compensating for poor aiming is Oscelda's Bestone imo, my goto solution when my aim just doesn't want to work.

[smoky crater]

Bestore? Turning ode into stores to yoink a few organs from?

[knotty moon]

They have to buy those mask somewhere.

[smoky crater]

[upper osprey]

WHUT?

ok i found something

on this place specifically xD

[knotty moon]

That mural looks like one of Dermak's.

[timber quartz]

I really want to play, does anyone have a key they could give me?

[knotty moon]

You can get one by watching the stream on the 26th with a linked account.
Or the 29th if you miss that one.

[timber quartz]

On twitch?

[knotty moon]

Yep.

https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1497014368913854514

[timber quartz]

Thank you very much friend

[upper osprey]

check your inbox.

[tidal vigil]

Anyone else had the Rovgot Wyrm randomly disappear at the beginning of the fight?

[knotty moon]

Yeah, started happening mid P14.

Usually after it dives.

[tidal vigil]

Gotcha thank you lol I wanted to make sure she wasn't going to randomly reappear. Does it reset the timer on it like you've killed it?

[knotty moon]

Timer?

[tidal vigil]

Oh is it not one of the timed bosses?

[knotty moon]

Nope, you can face it as many time as you want, it is an end of dungeon boss.

[tidal vigil]

Ohh okay that's much better, thank you so much!

[smoky crater]

dood tryin to be cool leanin back like that

[celest turtle]

Is there a bug that causes fables from not showing up or completing?

[finite stone]

No (that I know of), but a couple of fables (and all the mini quests) don't get recorded in the journal, so it depends what you're having trouble with

[celest turtle]

Yeah I can't seem to see "The Invitation" in the fables page and I'm replaying "The Torment Stag" at the moment and it's not showing up as active in the journal.

[finite stone]

Yes The Invitation doesn't show up in the Fables page, though as for Torment Stag I think it should show up in the first journal tab whilst playing it maybe its cos it's a replay not a main play?

[knotty moon]

"An Invitation" is not replayable, if you did it before.
If you unlocked the Faction HQ on your own is should also be skipped.

[celest turtle]

I currently have access to the Kith of Kings Enclave so I'm pretty sure i've done it, Just the Torment Stag isn't showing up with the ability to track it.

*I am replaying it also, pretty sure it did show up when I originally played it.

[knotty moon]

The Tormented Stag should show up, if it doesn't then yeah, sounds like a bug.

[round granite]

is there a way to ask pretty-please for any mods to give a friend of mine a key? i have mine cause a registered when they anounced the game but my friend I just recently showed the game too. do u guys know?

[finite stone]

Did you get the email on 6th May?

[knotty moon]

Asking for keys is not allowed in this Discord, that said, you can get one (and so can your friend) by watching a stream with a linked account.

https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1497014368913854514

[round granite]

sorry brother, didnt mean to break any rules

[round granite]

i got mine 04/16/2025 broski

[knotty moon]

🤔
If you still have the email you should have the codes in it, if they no longer work you can contact support to get them reactivated.

[finite stone]

No, I'm saying the recent email that everyone got sent on 6th 15th May with the free key - did you not get it?

You can just give your friend the one from that

Sorry, 15th May - not sure why I had 6th in my head!

[round granite]

very good my friend, i forgot about that

thanks

[finite stone]

Np, hope your friend enjoys the game!

[celest turtle]

Does the "A Witch Withdrawn" also not show up in the Fables page?

[finite stone]

Yup! Currently the only place to see all the fables is on the Fables page of the wiki, in the game itself it only shows 9 of them iirc

Out of 11 fables total, and then 8 mini-quests

DE also said they'd be renaming some of the shorter fables to either 'larks' or 'yarns' but there's been no word on that for a few weeks

[celest turtle]

Cool, would be nice to have somewhere in the journal to keep track of it all.

[finite stone]

It would yeah, I really hope they add the rest of the stuff to the journal. Fables, Mini-Quests, the rest of the Notes, Containers, the missing Foes... so much they could do with it

[knotty moon]

Containers?

Oh, for the loot?

[celest turtle]

Kinda like how they have it with Warframe now, with Main Quests, Warframe Quests and Side Quests, or something rather

[finite stone]

Yeah like if we just had a journal tab for all of these https://wiki.avakot.org/Containers that listed what they drop, similar to the spoils on enemy entries, it'd be so useful

[finite stone]

Absolutely, something like that would be perfect. Funnily enough that's similar to how we've been trying to categorise the fables on the wiki, until DE add the Lark/Yarn nomenclature I think this is maybe the best we can do as a community - just try and arrange them by general topic 😅 some are distinctly shorter and longer though so I hope to see an official DE categorisation eventually

[solid musk]

what happens if i take off the duelo ribbon mid quest?

[finite stone]

You won't be able to pick up any more navalhas (ie start new Duelos) until you re-equip it - that's all

[knotty moon]

You will not be able to interact with the wrecks to continue the quest.

[solid musk]

good, cuz i want to re conquer the fort of mirifuir rq

[finite stone]

go warrior

[knotty moon]

They start burning forts so early these days...

[distant jungle]

The best part is tryna shape the shorter body into the correct carry position.

Which causes the shoulder to break.

Which makes them look like a hunchback.

[smoky crater]

1. evil
2. nyoom
3. byeeeeee

[thin glacier]

amazing

[tacit panther]

Bruce lee pact

[solid musk]

FINALLY

god this took forever

[regal shadow]

(psst, it used to be worse :p)

[limber panther]

wait theres sailing in soulframe????????????

[distant jungle]

No, just a fable.

The ship is just a fancy arena.

[limber panther]

Ah okay

[noble gale]

I could totally see some sort of "Monk" pact and a pair of gauntlets/quarterstaff coming out

Could leg sweep as an arcanic lol

Heavy attack with the quarterstaff could be a polevault legdrop

[lethal dagger]

if you die i n cogah mode do you lose your loot?

[naive cloud]

No, cogah just stops being cogah and goes back to normal mode

[lethal dagger]

Tnx a lot

[subtle salmon]

Etheldred is by far the most annoying agari in the game...

[distant jungle]

Honestly, mood. Ruthos is annoying in that they randomly disengage and just exit combat.

Ethel has an actually annoying moveset.

Can really spam slam attacks sometimes.

[subtle salmon]

Oh usually when that happens where it seems like he left into the abyss I check behind the mountain towards the world tree. Insane teleport distance vs. his usual. 🙃

Eths mortar shot has virtually no tell. And half the time I just think it will be the annoying grab/pull that it loves to spam. But nah. Nearly one shot mortar nuke. Non cogah even

[distant jungle]

I largely refuse to fight Ethel in melee unless I'm going in with rune spam to finish it immediately.

Cus yeah, a lot of its attacks have virtually no tell, so you have to rely on travel time.

Both when it jumps and slams down and when it fires the mortar.

Often you just cannot respond to some of the things Ethel does unless you have the mercy of distance.

So it's like, do I have full rune charges? Spam them. Do I not? Time to throw spam.

[prime tartan]

what boss drops the Wazzard armor set?

[distant jungle]

None, the Organs.

And one each, intuitively placed too. The northmost drops the helm, the middle the chest, and the southern the pants.

They all also have a drop table shared between them though, so it may take a while to get what you want.

[subtle salmon]

True. Rune power doesn't seem to stack except for magick.

I hope they expand on the automatic animal charming. The chance is way too low.

[halcyon comet]

if you can use ranged do so. Can sit up in the tree in the middle and just cheese the entire fight.

[subtle salmon]

Oh wait. I haven't upgraded any runes outside of magick. Rip. 🙃
And interesting. I have lured it to the top of the quarry before and shaved its head with odiac for cheese. Will have to try that

[halcyon comet]

Yeah just stay up on the tree and just make sure youre far back enough ir behind a branch enough that he cant pull you down. If he does just run back up. For the most part he will stand still

[hexed field]

So... Vadagar stag. I managed to kill it this time. there was no fanfare and I have no idea what i got from it other than frustration at it oneshotting me, the amount of aoe and stun it brings to bear and how fast it is.

I don't typically have to summon orengal's hounds to fight, but I had to summon all three only for it to stunlock them too
and that was just to pull aggro so I could deal damage without having to constantly dodge

how am I fighting this boss wrong?

[subtle salmon]

Wow that was some alpha. Lol. In kairness I had zero motes. one ghost icon showed up out of 3 when I got there. no mote in sight at night time. so I spammed smite... Logged out/back in. It registered 1 mote. No indication from before logout. One ghost icon showed up when I got back into that town. which would be the 2/3. There ended up being the last 2 remaining motes visible that time. 💀

[neat citrus]

You need more damage from the sound of things

And stagger resist

[cloud palm]

Anybody else kinda having issues parrying with heavy weapons? Im trying a new Tethren build but parrying almost feels like the window has gotten too punishing

[hexed field]

Some totems give increased parry window. Almost necessary for polearms because of how slow they are.

[dawn moon]

Have they added a way to restart the game or create additional characters?

[visual radish]

No

[distant jungle]

The 'did you make sure it's plugged in' question, are you making sure to hold your parry instead of tapping it?

I do think the parry window was slightly adjusted a while back.

Or at least remember hearing something about that.

[dawn moon]

how are we supposed to test changes they make to new player experience if they don't let us restart the game?

[cloud palm]

Crap, I just realized I've been tapping

[distant jungle]

Yeah, all a parry is is your first x amount of block frames, x referring to a number I am not actually aware of.

So if you let go before all those frames past, you naturally end parry as you are ending block.

You'll only be making it harder to get a parry off.

I'd recommend holding for like, half a second, maybe a third, to get all of them frames.

Unsure how long the frames actually are, but long enough to end early if you let go immediately.

Either way, if you hold and miss the timing, you're at least still blocking that attack rather than being hit in the face.

[halcyon comet]

I wonder if we'll ever see some form of raids in this. I feel like the virtue system would allow for some pretty awesome large(er) scale raids. Having some loose roles to fill (tank, heals, damage etc)

[visual radish]

Personally i'd say maybe on the raids and a definite no on roles if current build phylosophy continues

Builds are too loose and diverse to really fit well with the classic roles

[trim willow]

do i hear a party of ten tethrens?! perhaps tenthrens?