gameplay-discussion

[craggy pulsar]

Nah. It just despawns on my character

holy sh

[sly escarp]

Hm. Yeah, try toggling the tracking then.

[craggy pulsar]

How am I supposed to recognize it hahah
TYSM!!!!

[sly escarp]

Also, just a general heads up, doing fables in multiplayer is not recommended

Progress can break pretty badly

[craggy pulsar]

Yeah, almost broke the rune thing on npc during that quest..
I'll check later but thank you for the help!

[zenith knoll]

this is fine

[fervent sun]

Is this true for the host too or just the folks who join?

[tropic charm]

in general fables are made for single player

[hybrid pine]

hey, are all replays working since I would like to try some content I did months ago and tried to replay the torment stag and I can't seem to get it working

[tropic charm]

only the host gains fable progress even in a squad

[trim willow]

and do replays drop loot?

[tropic charm]

what r u having trouble with

[tropic charm]

fable rewards r 1 time

[hybrid pine]

I can't find it or find where to find it, unless it's the yellow circle on the map

[tropic charm]

if you just started replaying it then it should point you towards the camp where avakot is trapped in

[hybrid pine]

via sparrow?

[tropic charm]

unless you are tracking something else, the circle should be what you are looking for

[tropic charm]

yes

[sly escarp]

To start: did you hit the replay button for the quest in your Journal?

[hybrid pine]

I'll double check but from what I know nothing worked like that

[hybrid pine]

yes don't worry lmao

[sly escarp]

Okay, good. Just checking!

[trim willow]

wack

[sly escarp]

Next, make sure the quest is being tracked in journal

It should have the little sparrow icon next to it

If so, the birb should just take you to your next objective in the quest!

[tropic charm]

let me see if i still have the old map for it (i made a torment stag guide on the old server but can't access it anymore)

[hybrid pine]

it isn't being displayed

[sly escarp]

They changed the routes on some of it

[sly escarp]

It isn't appearing in your Active section of the Journal?

[tropic charm]

apart from orlick shouldn't it be the same?

[hybrid pine]

nope, and it isn't giving me the option to replay it (after I clicked it) so I assume something has gone wrong

[sly escarp]

You no longer go down the well

[sly escarp]

Try a relog

[tropic charm]

ah

[sly escarp]

Sounds like the system may have a bug

[hybrid pine]

I did already :p

[sly escarp]

Hm. Odd.

[hybrid pine]

I'll try a different replay quickly

[tropic charm]

a screenshot of your journal would be helpful

[hybrid pine]

it's showing Rise, Envoy which I just hit replay on but no torment stag

[sly escarp]

Hm. Sounds like this might need a support ticket

Can file one at https://support.soulframe.com/

Out of curiosity, why did you want to replay Torment Stag? Refresher on the story?

[hybrid pine]

mostly, I played ages ago and loved the world but just got lost with what to do after the story missions. Came back yesterday and it was nice to see how much more the game guides you now and there just generally is to do

[hybrid pine]

appreciate it thanks

[sly escarp]

Nice! Well, sorry for the hiccup along the way, hopefully you can get the issue sorted!

[forest dragon]

Does anyone know if there is an unstuck button?

[opal fable]

you can do /unstuck

[forest dragon]

but i can't open the text screen either

[opal fable]

ah, i don't know then

[forest dragon]

thanks for the help tho

[sly escarp]

Relog

There's been some input lock bigs popping up lately

[forest dragon]

It was in a cave, there was a cage with deer, door towards the wall and i glitched in between the wall and the cage with my head in the planks

[sly escarp]

Hm, odd that it locked you out of the chat but if you are, yeah, relog time

[opal fable]

i had one yesterday after i auto caught an animal and was opening a chest at the same time

[forest dragon]

okey thanks 🙂

[opal fable]

i hope we get new cogah potions to enter at higher levels

grinding to level 100 takes a long time solo and potentially losing it to a landmine

[timber leaf]

Is reforging to make your gear better?.

[tropic charm]

yes

[sinful scarab]

why do you go that high?

[opal fable]

in the hope that it affects mace craftwork drop rates

also it is more fun fighting the level 100 enemies compared to 40

[sinful scarab]

silver knights spawns is reduced the higher you go, and completely disappears somewhere after 110

[opal fable]

oh i did not know that

[sinful scarab]

might be a bug

but cogah does affect the mace craftwork for the silver knights only, it removes the stock tier

[opal fable]

yeah, i have had 10 stock drops and they are all from golden mace knights

i hope they rework the higher tiers of craftwork

being able to roll a worse sovereign than a noble really sucks, or a trash legendary

[sinful scarab]

I’ve got a legendary mace today at level 68-70 cogah with one hour of farming from the silver knights

-# plus 30 minutes to reach that level of cogah

also got one yesterday at the same enemy level but don’t know how long it took me, not long though

[opal fable]

damn 2 legendaries? how many maces to you reckon you farmed total?

[sinful scarab]

no idea my inventory is full right now, hit the max

but out of 21 maces today i got 1 legendary with 8 tempers and one sovereign and 2 nobles, the rest is military and officer

[opal fable]

you have some nice luck, i grinded most of the day around level 70 and i got one sovereign

[sinful scarab]

focus on farming the silver knights, there’s a lot of them at the southern castle

[opal fable]

sadly thats all im doing, running around the camps and only killing them

520 kills, 141 drops, 96.4% of the drops are military+officer

thats like the last 3 days

[tidal yarrow]

is there a pact that's good for scaling off spirit but works well with using a melee weapon rather than staff?

[distant jungle]

All of them.

Spirit just affects the second arcanic directly and reduces arcanic CD as its special effect.

And there are several weapons that have innate spirit scaling that can be increased via joinery.

[tidal yarrow]

Which weapons? I'm new to teh game and don't know much about what's available. I know spirit affects cooldowns so that's why I want to go for it but I prefer melee combat.

[distant jungle]

Rook for a polearm, and it only has an 11 Courage req which is pretty easy to meet after you get some MR. Lyke-Wake is the same for shields with a 12 Courage req. Cenotaph exists as a cleaver and that's pretty easy to manage once you get to near-max MR, as does Tessard for a basic longblade. Rostrum is a good primary shortblade that only needs 12 Grace to use, an Witan is a good secondary shortblade that only needs 6. All of those have innate spirit scaling.

The big boys here would be either Rook or Cenotaph, though those have an 11 and 14 courage req respectively, which will be something for either a courage/spirit hybrid or just a higher MR. I'm at max MR, 18, right now and have a 33/15/15 virtue layout. Those two 15s let me use a lot of stuff I normally wouldn't be able to on a focused build.

Dewelion is very good but that'd only be on a grace/spirit hybrid cus of its 19 grace req.

[tidal yarrow]

right, mastery rank. I assume that's going to be like warframe and require playing with things I don't want for a long time?

[distant jungle]

Yeh, you level stuff up, but if you meet an Omen Beast out in the wild that offers you buffs, the xp buff really speeds things up.

And there's also nothing stopping you from taking something like Igne Mora, which has a req of 9 courage and no spirit scaling at all, and just slapping a thrice blessed on it anyway.

It can work, especially if you don't hyper-specialize.

This is my Rostrum, which has 0 innate courage, and it works just fine.

I just +3'd the courage anyway.

And my 2:1:1 virtue ratio makes it good enough.

[fleet axle]

to conceptualize the weapon you need to tell them a description

[distant jungle]

But yeah, I suppose Spirit is the virtue with the least weapon variety available, which makes some amount of sense. Arcanic CD reduction can be very strong. It's a CD reduction, not a charge rate increase, so a 50% reduction would lead to double usage, it can get spammy pretty quickly.

Once you get to high MR though this problem pretty much vanishes, as a 2:1:1 ratio will allow you pretty much anything.

[solemn sequoia]

are all the cogah runes better than the base high damage attack ones? im gonna collect em all just to have either way but im wondering if any especially stand out

[old burrow]

How sure are we that seathorn fragments currently drop from any T3? That’s the info I’ve gotten but it’s not dropping so I’m wondering if there’s a better option or location.

[distant jungle]

They do, I got them, though it never announced it for some reason.

They just appeared in my inventory, so I started checking my frag tab every time.

[distant jungle]

Mixed, some like Torrent and the... Split-something for Polearm can be very good.

[old burrow]

Thank you! I have 1/3 and I got the 1 weeks ago. So odd but I’ll keep working!

[distant jungle]

But the basic 'I'ma hit you with over triple damage' is never not also good.

And is less situational than some.

[solemn sequoia]

ill keep that in mind then

[distant jungle]

Flintsmoke is good if you're running high Grace and can thus one-shot people with crit damage.

I've seen it used to one-tap bosses even after the HP buff.

Cus it's a free unaware finisher.

[solemn sequoia]

interesting

[umbral light]

so they added a keybind button for inspect, but what is inspect?

[elfin glen]

To inspect players

At World Trees and Enclaves

[umbral light]

ohhh i dont spend enough time at enclaves thanks

[tidal yarrow]

in some older info out there I saw that the reforging doodads had stat bonuses, all of the ones I found have only attunement changes. Was that changed or are those with stats only dropping later?

[distant jungle]

Yeah, if you want to speedrun bosses that can be finishered, it's just use max Grace, use Duelo, use its second arcanic to buff Grace more, use its third arcanic for the free 50% or so damage increase, use Flintsmoke so the enemy is now unaware of you, getting you crit damage, and then walk up to them and use a stealth finisher for yet more crit damage.

At high enough MR and thus high enough Grace it'll let you casually one-shot bosses even in Cogah.

[elfin glen]

You can get attunment and ones that buff your damage

[distant jungle]

And if you don't one-shot them you can just rinse and repeat to speedrun their fight anyway.

[solemn sequoia]

thats actually insanely busted goddam

[tidal yarrow]

I've got like 50+ of them and none of them show any bonuses

[elfin glen]

Press tab on them

[distant jungle]

There's a Grace meta right now lol, even more powerful than the previous Courage meta.

But yeah, the crit scaling is cracked.

[solemn sequoia]

bromius slam got nerfed, tempest tanking got nerfed, i heard tethrens 1 got nerfed specifcally against bosses

sheeesh

[tidal yarrow]

tab only shows a lore description

[distant jungle]

Tempest got un-ruined a bit actually.

All of its arcanics had special interactions against bosses that just turned them off and made them literally useless.

That has been eased up massively, though its first arcanic still kind of sucks.

[solemn sequoia]

ah

[elfin glen]

near the end it'll say like +1 or somethin like that, if it doesn't then it doesn't do anything at the moment

[distant jungle]

Their stagger field now actually affects bosses, and their armor and stagger boost isn't instantly turned off.

It just loses more time when hit by a boss, so fewer hits total.

Cus it's a countdown that shaves off more time whenever hit.

Bosses will just shave off a lot.

Instantly of instantly ending it, as they did before.

[solemn sequoia]

i see i see

[tidal yarrow]

"at the moment"? So are joineries supposed to give bonuses beyond teh attunement currently or not?

[distant jungle]

The main thing is their +stagger field now not ignoring boss enemies so you get some actual offensive advantage.

[elfin glen]

From what i know they're still adding to them, they might be used for tempers later on but at the moment some of them just don't do anything

[tidal yarrow]

ok, managed to find some info that confirms they no longer give any bonuses whatsoever, just adds the attunement

[elfin glen]

I'm lookin at a Joinery that gives +3 damage, could be something removed or not in yet but

[tidal yarrow]

it's very hard to find good info out there for Soulframe since it changes so quickly

[elfin glen]

Yea, usually try to go by what it says in game but that's not always reliable

[distant jungle]

Those are old and don't work anymore, they just got left in your inventory.

Stuff like Eldore or whatever.

The old old joinery system.

[elfin glen]

I can still collect them though?

[distant jungle]

The avakot wiki is pretty good, they try to stay on top of things.

[distant jungle]

If you can actively collect joineries that are not verite, quicksilver, gildaur, and feybolt, that is a bug.

As those are the only four types of joineries that exist right now.

[tidal yarrow]

Do we have any info on how much of an impact on cooldown spirit has?

[distant jungle]

And none of them give attack boosts.

[distant jungle]

1.5% per point after 2.

As 2 is the base.

And it's a reduction, not an increased charge rate.

[cobalt venture]

So if I play the Templar looking class I'm not limited to some stupid hammer/mace I can still use whatever weapon of my choice right

[distant jungle]

So 50% reduction would mean double usage, for instance.

[distant jungle]

Templar? If you refer to starting gear it means nothing other than what you start with.

[tidal yarrow]

and what's the highest you can reasonably get a stat?

[distant jungle]

Everything can be collected and used.

[distant jungle]

I wanna say.... 43 I think? Somewhere around there.

[cobalt venture]

I'm asking if I could use a sword and shield on that Templar class

[distant jungle]

But that's to the detriment of the other two virtues.

[visual radish]

They arent really classes

[distant jungle]

Cus the cap would be... 8? For those.

[cobalt venture]

Well then what would we really call them because they seem like classes to me or maybe instead of warframes we call them soul frames I guess I don't know what else to call them otherwise

[distant jungle]

If you mean the arms they're just called Pacts.

[queen fiber]

Builds,

Build out your char howsever u feel is best.

[distant jungle]

And they do not define you nearly as much as a Warframe does.

[cobalt venture]

So I could use the sword and shield on the Templar without an issue then

[distant jungle]

Idk what you mean by templar.

[queen fiber]

But I get that you think its classes when youy have mage/Bow and Swords

[distant jungle]

What in game are you calling templar?

[cobalt venture]

The new thing that came out on I think 14.5

[visual radish]

None of the stuff we have looks like what i see as a templar but yeah you can use any weapon with any arm

[cobalt venture]

Supposedly uses that big two-handed heavy mace or starts with it

[distant jungle]

There was no new pact released with 14.5, just the new weapon preview.

And that's just a weapon you can pick up.

Doesn't affect the start of the game at all.

[cobalt venture]

I mean when I logged in here in the last 2 days I got an update about a class and maybe I misunderstood something

[distant jungle]

Nah, just a weapon that can drop form enemies using it.

[visual radish]

You missunderstood a lot apparently

[cobalt venture]

Yeah the way it was worded sounded like they were talking about the Templar build or whatever the heck you guys call it in the game I've not even unlocked it yet I've got like a piece of it but that's about it, from what I understood of reading the description of what you guys listed it said that that build or pack or whatever was capable of generating more health and was kind of like a tank from what I understood of it

[fervent sun]

That sounds like maybe you're talking about Tethren which is one of the starter pacts? The most recent pact to be released is called Duelo, it's sorta pirate/duelist themed.

[cobalt venture]

It was just 2 days ago it sounded like they were talking about a Templar build when I was reading the description or maybe I misread it that's a huge possibility but nonetheless I could have swore that's what it said

[dense burrow]

Can someone tell me what the last two are?

[visual radish]

The two wyld ones you havent bought

Or their base forms

[fervent sun]

oscelda and tethren it looks like

[cobalt venture]

Odin's Templar

[visual radish]

That isnt a thing in this game

[dense burrow]

Thank you.
lol.

It was bugging the hell out of me.

[visual radish]

You get them from the enclaves in case you were wondering

[cobalt venture]

You might want to go check your patch notes cuz if it's not then we were lied to when I logged in two days ago I'm from what I can read on the patch notes here on the server there's an issue I'm using voice to text but nonetheless Ode'n Templers

[distant jungle]

Do you mean Ode Tempest? That was a pact that got buffed in 14.5, as previously it had been nerfed way too hard.

And that'd just be a pact you can use anything with.

First arcanic still kind of sucks though.

It's not the best pact but it's much more usable now.

[cobalt venture]

Yes it says Odie tempers

Apparently I guess where I saw Templars when I read that in the patch 2 days ago I have to go back and watch the start of my stream from 2 days ago

[visual radish]

Thats just the name of the update.....

[distant jungle]

Yeah, cus Ode'n is just 'belonging to Ode'.

And tempers are the new perks on the weapon preview.

Can only roll on the new weapon right now.

[cobalt venture]

How the heck did I miss see that that is annoying

[distant jungle]

It hap.

[visual radish]

Probably with the classic gamer "get this stuff out of my way" when prompted with the news

[distant jungle]

You skim over fantasy terminology unique to a setting and your mind autocorrects.

Especially after the fact.

[cobalt venture]

I may have autism that may be personal information if so my apologies but I don't have dyslexia it's a little weird 😂 yeah probably definitely the classic game room mentality

Funny enough I was so hyped up on stream that day about a Templar build and my streaming community will probably thinking what the heck are you smoking oh Lord

[cobalt venture]

Yeah I'm stuck on that dang quest, I've collected a lot of motes but I have no idea where that place is on the map I've got one of the four but none of the other show up in that area and I don't even know where that area is at now

[tidal yarrow]

This place. I had to look it up, hence the meme

[cobalt venture]

Thank you very much I saved the screenshot of that so I could look it up later when I get online I'm going to go to bed it's 4:16 p.m. probably should have been bed like what 8 to 12 hours ago but your game guys your game

[cobalt venture]

Plus it be storming here so

[prisma folio]

ive got a question how are people getting 20 plus in each virtue or 40 plus into one stat respectively

[lament path]

High mastery level + virtue points from pact

[sinful scarab]

and +3 to each virtue talisman or +6 to single virtue

[prisma folio]

so is it better to get the 9 points from my pact rather than the pact specific buffs

[prisma folio]

i have the talisman

[opal fable]

why does capitalism camel give out free buffs, he should charge for them

[sinful scarab]

depends on which you need for your build

personally i don’t use pact abilities in fights that much, so i take all the virtue points i can

[prisma folio]

ive played thousands of hours of warframe but build crafting and charter progression in this game fries my brain

[opal fable]

how so? its far simpler

[sinful scarab]

i think soulframe for now is just random system that doing their own thing without synergy with other systems so don’t overthink it they all just works

[distant jungle]

I rush to Sympathy, Voided, and then all +6s.

It tends to have more mileage than the passives.

I'll choose which passive I like more and use the remaining points to put a second level in it.

[opal fable]

in my experience you need quite a bit of virtue points before you really start noticing big effects, early game i would just try to hit the virtue requirements for the weapons you are playing

[distant jungle]

I have a 33/15/15 split and the lower two still provide very noticeable bonuses.

Already have a 20% CD reduction and idk how much crit multi but it's there.

But that's me at MR 18 lol.

[opal fable]

exactly, with 63 points even the smaller fraction is noticeable, but if you only have like ~20 points its not gonna be that impactful right

[distant jungle]

Very early on yeah, your weapons are gonna be most of your build.

So pumping scaling is gonna be most important. Base arcanic damage isn't bad.

[opal fable]

and late game you can kinda go with vibes, like go roughly into the stat you want but hitting an exact specific number isn't needed

[prisma folio]

I think my issue is that pacts don't feel very impactful and that everything goes into a weapon dps meta atm. you crank courage grace or spirit depending on the weapon and your golden but then parts of your pact suffer immensely. then theirs the issue where armors are tied to virtues as well but there is clear winners to what is best for defense forcing players to work that in and then change the looks in order to look half decent. but lets not forget those armors also have a virtue requirement splitting points even further. balancing everything in the game around virtues feels like more of a bottleneck atm than a meaningful system. atm I'm finding myself tryin to get as many points as possible just to reduce the restrictions the system forces on me as a player.

[tidal yarrow]

What's this about a talisman?

[opal fable]

yeah just getting more virtue points is kinda the progression of the game, and ofc some better gear

[prisma folio]

at some point in the start you picked a faction and if you want to change you need there talisman to do so you can farm and buy it from you current faction leader if you want to change

[visual radish]

It is set by the starter choice

[prisma folio]

well the thing with gear is all of it can work but the virtue requirements and runes available force players to use weird and cosmetically conflicting items just to get any for of meaningful feeling progression. and i know with the current state off difficulty it doesn't really matter but in the long term if they don't figure this stuff out it could cause issues when trying to build a endgame loop

[visual radish]

Since each enclave is, at least on paper, aligned with one of the virtues and so with the starting choices

[opal fable]

i have not really had the issue with the armor, if im doing a courage weapon i use courage armor etc

[distant jungle]

I use a 2:1:1 ratio and have had no problems. My favorite pact is also Rood which is one of several that don't really care what you otherwise use and are not dependent on weapon damage.

Armor transmog exists for a reason.

Though we desperately need cosmetic loadouts.

[opal fable]

~2:1:1 seems very good once you get some virtues, i really never change it

[distant jungle]

Yeah, I adjust for a 2:1:1 after everything. All three +6s, the +3/3/3 talisman, I balance the final total to a 2:1:1.

Cus it just seems like a very good ratio.

[prisma folio]

alright but say your doing a grace build but one of your ability's scale off courage then your weapons are going to suffer massively if invested into or say your armor is so low that you need to use items that unfortunately scale of other virtues that will also effect how yor wepond and pact feels.

[tidal yarrow]

I havea quest to get the 4 history motes at Salzbrim. I looked up where that was since you can't read names without motes and even after relogging there seems to only be 2 motes out of 4. went all over not finding anymore after relogging. Is there something else not letting the other motes spawn?

[distant jungle]

Wut? If you go full grace then just use weapons that scale on it.

[opal fable]

arguably a bit of a weakness of the system no, i just have 3 different 2:1:1 loadouts and never look at it

[distant jungle]

And the base arcanic damage for at least most skills isn't bad.

And then that's on you for using a pure, all-in setup.

There are pros and cons to doing that, as there should be.

Just something to account for when making a build.

I could boost my Courage from 33 to like, 41, and lower my 15s to 11.

But I don't do that cus I like having those other bonuses.

And the weapon variety.

[opal fable]

if someone snuck onto your account and did this without telling you would you even notice

[distant jungle]

Hell I could go to 44 and lower my 15s to 8.

[opal fable]

like i could pull out the stopwatch and time my ability cooldowns but i can't tell the difference between 13 or 15 spirit

[distant jungle]

You feel it more and more cus it isn't a purely additive bonus, at least for spirit. I'd probably feel the timing being off after a while, perhaps not for a long time if I'm tired or something tho.

I'm just very used to my current combat rhythm.

But Spirit is a percentage reduction to CD, not an increased charge rate.

50%? That's double arcanic usage.

66%? Triple.

[opal fable]

tbh while in cogah i ignore most of my abilitiesmost of the time, but that might just be me

[distant jungle]

I still very regularly use mine but then again my most used pact is Rood.

Which is very arcanic-slinging.

Like Mora's Hand and Oscelda.

[prisma folio]

like just look at warframe for example everything is relatively useful on its own and you build up everything separately the weapon the frame or pact in soul frame. everything should be built around the pact and its playstyle but as things are not that just doesn't happen do to each ability scaling off different virtues and the weapons scaling primarily off one. the reforge system could help with this but well need to see how it changes in the next update first

[distant jungle]

I'll stop you there cus 'everything should be around the pact and its playstyle' is purely subjective.

[subtle salmon]

So mockery grants more spirit scaling. But requires a ridiculous amount of grace. Make it make sense...

[distant jungle]

That is by no means an objective statement at all, and SF is purposefully different from Warframe.

[opal fable]

im on oscelda almost always, but i don't really feel like i need the abilities with smite spam setup

[prisma folio]

then why even have pacts/classes at all

[distant jungle]

I like the more freeform system here, where each facet of your build is simply a connective piece.

[distant jungle]

This is a meaningless statement.

Pacts do things, you use them, why have anything? Why have a game?

Your statement makes no sense.

If weapons do not define your entire character, why have weapons?

It's just how builds are set up, you have several freeform things to choose from to make your own playstyle.

And it is no less valid for this design.

[opal fable]

but honestly the whole thing with build and how important they will be is how the long term direction with difficulty is going to be

currently the game is very easy, you can do whatever you want

[distant jungle]

Fine tuning balance will be a focus for later, right now you can stack too many multis.

And runes still blitz through content, things are uneven right now but that's expected of a pre-alpha.

Hell we're getting another rune and totem rework within the next month.

[prisma folio]

pacts/ classes are the foundation of a playstyle it decides what can work and what cant but currently the system in game conflict with how well items preform with each other. simply put if you build for your pact your weapons and defense could massively suffer and if you build towards the weapons your pact becomes almost useless outside of healing related ability's

[distant jungle]

Again, this is subjective. With my current build, I can swap between any pact and still play fine. I can also change my weapons at a whim and play fine, among all the ones I have kept.

I can swap from gath to marrow to avex and my pact will not be any weaker.

I can swap to duelo to tethren to tempest to oscelda and my weapons will not be changed.

I can swap my virtues to a different focus and will still be able to play fine with some adjustment, as base values aren't bad but different things will be more powerful.

Right now I am courge-leaning, which is built more towards leveraging the common offensive skills.

Yet I still spam the heck out of Behest, a spirit skill, cus it's great.

I still use Stampede to horde clear.

None of what I use is remotely bad or in any way not useful.

[prisma folio]

yes everything can work bc enemy's are relatively still weak. you feel the issues more up north and in hard mode if fights persist. long term as the game progresses and grows the system as it is now would become an issue. note I'm saying this knowing all of it is probably going to change 100 more times

[wintry ermine]

Hello im new and i have a question can i play an other weapon without crafting it ?

[distant jungle]

I have played past level 100 in Cogah and my observations do not change beyond Stampede starting to struggle against elite enemies, yet still being great for horde clear.

[opal fable]

you can get a mace from mace elites

[distant jungle]

MR will also climb over time same as difficulty, meaning more virtue points.

[opal fable]

technically you can use the premium shop too i suppose

[distant jungle]

We will become tangibly stronger over time.

[wintry ermine]

I like dual wield in other game and fast things

[opal fable]

honestly i do not like this, any weapon they add just increases power passively like this

[opal fable]

you might just want to continue doing the tasks for the scribe dude, and unlock the smith so you can craft stuff

[distant jungle]

I mean, it works. As they add more content we get stronger, so they can add harder content.

It can easily be managed.

[opal fable]

it also makes older content easier and easier, imagine having like 200 virtue points lmao

in warframe i can just bring weak gear and i can play with my irl friends who are not maxed

[distant jungle]

That's true for any game though, and there are suggestions to make older content optionally scale to you.

[prisma folio]

i have used that ability and honestly when it hits its alright than cant be said for many of the other damaging ability's in other pacts. which is why they would need more investment to be useful. for example the bear slam completely useless after a point even if its super cool

[wintry ermine]

I have the smith but it take a lot of time

[opal fable]

ah fair enough, next patch more weapons will drop ready made. currently its only the mace from patch 14.5

[distant jungle]

Methinks you're assuming an ability's weakness is the fault of the system around it, which is incorrect.

Rump Thump was broken and got slapped down a little hard.

But that is the fault of that arcanic, not anything to do with virtues.

It just probably needs some adjustment and some tweaked scaling.

Same thing happened to the entirety of Tempest and it is only now being adjusted back up.

That too was no fault of the virtue system.

[wintry ermine]

Okayy

[distant jungle]

Tempest's Seismor still kind of sucks, and I have 33 Courage.

That's just Seismor sucking, not my Courage being bad or not enough.

Balance isn't stable at this current state of dev.

Nor is it the most important thing to focus on.

[knotty imp]

man i remember when seismor would oneshot everything lmao

[prisma folio]

but lets say i wanted it to work it could happen I've seen it but then it become more of an assassin grace based nuke than the tranky courage bear like playstyle you'd expect

[distant jungle]

I think that was more the damage field giving a x4 to every tick lol.

It made everything a murder machine.

[teal owl]

Does the combat in this game get more complex than left click + right click with 3 slow abilities that buff you ?

[prisma folio]

that issue is present in multiple pacts

[distant jungle]

That's just Grace's crit multi being too high, that too is its own issue.

Nothing to do with pact balance.

[prisma folio]

a bit with rune powers and smite but not much currently

[knotty imp]

i mean there are weapon runes, that essentially super charge a single attack and give it special effects

but in general the gameplay is pretty simple, i guess

[distant jungle]

And each pact plays differently yeah. If you want a more castery playstyle instead of buffs, I can suggest Garren Rood, Mora's Hand, and Oscelda.

All of those are very arcanic-focused in that you use all three of them constantly for immediate effects.

Garren Rood and Mora's Hand are very aggressive while Oscelda is focused in utility.

They play entirely differently from stuff like Tethren and Duelo which are more weapon-focused.

[teal owl]

ah too bad, I kinda hoped it was a bit deeper, bought it on a whim (not like I wasted money, digitalextremes is goated in general so even if I end up uninstalling they deserve my money so all good there) but after like 2+ hours of playtime I am mostly confused about the story (is there even one ?) and the combat is far too easy and simplistic for my taste atm

[distant jungle]

It's a pre-alpha, don't go in expecing story. And the combat depth is largely about placement, spacing, and rhythm.

It's a bit like a souls game in that specific regard.

Basic movements but a deceptively complex application.

[teal owl]

eeeeh...hard disagree there but I get the idea of it

[distant jungle]

As a souls gamer the basic rhythm was incredibly familiar to me.

[knotty imp]

well the main point thus far without getting into the weeds, is the the Ode ( those guys you fight ) are invaders on the planet of Alca where all of this takes place, and it's kinda your job to blast em

[teal owl]

oh well...guess I'm just gonna try it again tomorrow, see if there ever is any more...depth to it and if not, wait for patches or just write it off as a little extra money spent on a good studio

[knotty imp]

also do keep in mind, that they are taking pretty big swings at major changes in like every major update that comes out

for instance, just recently they increase the squad size to a max of 4 ( from 3 ) in a random hotfix lol

[distant jungle]

Also added MP scaling at the same time, even for fewer players, which I like.

Level goes up for every person.

It does showcase the weakness of the flat DR we have right now tho.

[teal owl]

I mean I mainly only bought it because I'm kinda bored with my other games and digital extremes has proven to be one of the last good studios left in the gaming world so even if this game doesn't vibe with me , I'll support them gladly

[knotty imp]

i do hope they sincerely reconsuder virtue liths and especially random stat drops on weapons that you have no control over, i.e. basically rivens all over again

[visual radish]

<@&1154466146741932193>

[zenith knoll]

every time i kill a sinecure knight and it doesn't drop a mace, an angel loses their wings

[visual radish]

Good

[knotty imp]

i can't even imagine the chaos if they apply how the orst III functions as loot but to all weapons in the entire game

[distant jungle]

The differences between craftworks are just base damage and tempers, the latter of which is confirmed to be editable in some way with the backing system via Tuvalkane that'll be in P15.

So at worst, probably, we'll have to grind for Legendary.

And perhaps maybe not even that if we're allowed to upgrade craftwork tier.

[half talon]

Every time a bonkstick doesn’t drop, ||Helix cries a little more inside. || or synod increases in power. Or the collective suffering….

[knotty imp]

if craftwork is something upgradeable and even then, the possibility of basically re-upgrading eeeevery piece of gear crafted upto this point sounds like a nightmare lol

[distant jungle]

Oh all of our existing gear in our inventory right now that is made subject to the new system, as some important weapons will apparently remain fragment-crafted, will be given their own unique tier, or so I've heard.

Some ancient craftwork or something. I know not what it'll be equivalent to though.

Fomo dictates no more than legendary.

[knotty imp]

cus the difference between stock and max tier , moonsteel, is pretty significant and it'd suck knowing that my fav weapons are just simply inferior because i did not happen to get the highest rarity random drop that is up purely to RNG

[distant jungle]

But effectively free legendary on all current gear would be a nice compensation.

[distant jungle]

It'd be between stock and legendary as moonsteel is a random cosmetic effect that can roll for every tier.

And yeah, it's +3 base damage per tier, and max scaling is proportional to base damage so it comes out closer to 50 at the end.

Which is a very big difference.

I do hope we can upgrade through craftwork tiers. Without that it'll be a grind for legendaries.

Which sounds a little annoying with how stupidly rare they are.

[knotty imp]

guess simplest solution would be to allow breaking down of any dropped loot into resources that can be used for upgrading into higher tiers

[distant jungle]

Grinding 100+ copies of every weapon is eh.

[knotty imp]

or they could make it work similarly to incarnon adapters in warframe - take an old weapon, get an 'arcanic adapter' for it and then do some tasks to unlock the temper nodes that you can swap between in your inventory at will once they are unlocked. Craftwork would work perhaps like standing, but is improved through some specific resource that is plentiful enough, i.e. ' standing ' but for purely upgrading weapons

could even tie it into a Tuvalkane forge expansion + fable

[candid depot]

ther is any reset butten in game

[knotty imp]

not currently, but they are planning to add an optional reset in the future

[candid depot]

❤️

vary fun game i love it

[knotty imp]

💪

[opal fable]

what do you feel is the drop rate?

[zenith knoll]

like 20%?

[opal fable]

i think its 25%, but i currently sit at 27.51%, 159 drops out of 578 kills

yesterday i was as low as 24.3% but i climbed back up to 27% thanks rng

i still do not understand why the drop rates had to be nerfed, its not like it was that much higher before

[queen valley]

I feel like once they add in the weapon merge system, it will only need like.. 12 copies at most?

[opal fable]

i really really doubt this, then it would be even easier to get gear than prior to the rework

[queen valley]

judging by how Kuva weapons work in warframe. maybe 2 of each tier combine to a larger tier

[distant jungle]

The thing is, that is the whole point of the system.

The whole stated reason behind this new thing is less grind.

[opal fable]

well i mean getting the perfect gear

[distant jungle]

Cus gathering fragments and waiting for crafts was called tedious.

[opal fable]

if you can just merge to max temper legendary and take the tempers you want

[distant jungle]

Then it'll be a good system not chained down by pure RNG.

[opal fable]

oh i agree

[queen valley]

Everyone is grinding out so many copies of orst now, I'm assuming its meant to be semi passive. Youre not meant to grind to get the perfect one, youre supposed to get a handful and smush them together for a perfect one

[opal fable]

but it just doesn't seem sensible to have a system where you have to max roll a 0.1% drop, or you could just grab 20 trash version and smash em together

[queen valley]

Itd be like the kuva weapons without the valence merge stuff. people would keep grinding til they got a 60% to drop

[opal fable]

i hope they make it a lot easier to get perfect gear

[opal fable]

yeah and it was miserable, same with railjack parts before we could merge those

[distant jungle]

Apparently level is supposed to affect rarity, Steve mentioned the key to getting the best stuff was high level enemies.

[queen valley]

Thats the exact system warframe has, and I assume soulframe will have something similar

[distant jungle]

The problem is is that either outright isn't working or is so small as to be nonfunctional.

[knotty imp]

depending on how a potential 'merging ' system will look like, i'd look at it like the pity token systems in warframe - didn't get main blueprint for a certain warframe? Spend the tokens you get for each mission completed to just buy the thing outright

[distant jungle]

So the grind right now may not even be intentionally this bad.

[opal fable]

yeah which i don't mind, but getting to high levels is very tedious as of right now

[tidal yarrow]

are there only ||2|| chapters of the bicameral's book/quests currently?

[opal fable]

like if the system is gonna be that if you grind level 150 enemies you get good chances at legendaries there needs to be a better way to get to level 150 cogah

[opal fable]

2 chapters, 10 tasks yes

[distant jungle]

No what I'm saying is that level observably has no effect at all right now.

When it is reportedly supposed to, going by what Steve said.

[opal fable]

im not sure if i agree with this

[distant jungle]

People have gotten piles of stock and military even beyond level 120.

And legendaries have dropped at 20 and 40.

[opal fable]

i get notably more officers in cogah vs non cogah, like at least triple. over ~150 drops

then again, if it boosts legendary from 0.1% to 0.13% are you really gonna notice at these sample sizes

[knotty imp]

based on my (admittedly) anecdotal evidence, the instant that i popped that cogah-cola and crumped some agari, those mace bois dropped me a couple of noble quality orst weapons, which i never got upto that point ( most of mine were like militiary/officer grade )

[distant jungle]

I've gotten 3 noble and 2 sovereign thus far, and all but 1 sovereign has been non-cogah.

I flipped cogah on and grinded to about 85 for a while and didn't notice anything different.

But that could, again, be the difference being so small as to be practically nonfunctional.

Which would be something that hopefully gets adjusted if so.

[knotty imp]

simply having drop rates listed exactly, perhaps at Orlick's station, would be huge

i hate having to do this guessing game and waiting for the ultra mega math nerds to just game it out to figure out what those rates are

[opal fable]

well, it would have to be a scale if the system functions

[distant jungle]

Or just list your current so we could at least know if it's going up or not.

[opal fable]

im already tracking drop rates a bit, but i refuse to also start tracking enemy level per kill

[knotty imp]

you know, this got me thinking - imagine this system applied to all weapons and then trying to get specific weapons to drop from mobs but getting bombarded by all the junk you don't want lol

[opal fable]

but if they are gonna keep the heavy rng i hope they at least remove the temper rng. rolling 4 tempers on a sovereign or 6 on a legendary just sucks

[tidal yarrow]

are the attunement/stat symbols on armor bonuses to those stats or scaling of armor off those stats?

[opal fable]

also imagine just having to farm a siege every 3 hours or the stag instead of a common enemy

miserable

[distant jungle]

The latter.

[tidal yarrow]

Does any gear give stat bonuses besides amulets?

[knotty imp]

i could perhaps envision a system where say, clearing Mirifuir on Cogah at S rank will always reward some token that can then be used on any weapon to make it instantly max craftwork or whatever

[opal fable]

i hope so, anything but a giant rng wall for every weapon

[knotty imp]

if you mean the virtues, then no not really, other way to get more points is to level up those nodes in a pact tree for each virtue ( i forget how much they add )

[drifting vine]

Speaking of rng drop rates where to farm for odiac?

[vestal crystal]

a lot of enemies drop odiac

[opal fable]

ode casters, and i think discharged nimrod. best to check avakot wiki

https://wiki.avakot.org/Odiac

[tidal yarrow]

Since smite is so important, does that mean weapons with a low smite chance are to be avoided?

[opal fable]

no, you can also just add more smite chance with totems

[distant jungle]

That and smite isn't the end all. Like damage it is good, but damage is also good.

So low smite but higher damage does not a useless weapon make.

Hell, flyblades exist to patch that hole up if needed.

[ruby scarab]

Hello

How can i get the invitation to play?

[smoky crater]

pinned messages got info on that

[ruby scarab]

Ty

[glass swift]

Does the Glades of Andurin have a fixed spawn rate for the endless room (stag statue room)? Or is it completely random each run? Also, does it only spawn in specific Glades entrances or can it appear in any of them ?

[smoky crater]

completely random

[glass swift]

Oh its been 2h and i havnt found any room

XD a little bit desperate

[distant jungle]

Honestly the new omen beast xp boost is big enough that you can just slap it on and kill stuff.

Just doing the mace route farming knights let me level 3 weapons from 0 in just a few hours.

And by few I mean like, 2.

[glass swift]

i didnt know about that ty im gonna trie it

[distant jungle]

Yeah they can spawn in a lot of places but if you see any of them the xp boost is really good.

So I'd keep an eye out.

It can be the moose, bromius (with new colors it seems), orengall, and camel as far as I know.

[subtle salmon]

Blacksmith talks way too much. (Repetitive torture) 💀

[snow birch]

Im new, started an hour ago. I dont understand how the balance points work. Can anyone explain or tell me where i can find help. I spent rebalance points and still dont know what im doing

[distant jungle]

Rebalance points are just a resource you have to consume whenever you reassign your virtues.

Virtues are otherwise assigned automatically according to the ratio you set.

[steady egret]

hey i just heard about this game from a friend and it looks awesome. is his game test code transferable or how do i get one for myself

[smoky crater]

the codes are one time use

pinned messages got info on how to get access

[gaunt oar]

does anyone know why I'm missing my 1 ability?

[bold magnet]

it unlocks as you level

[steady egret]

okay do i just watch the stream and hope for a code and/or wait until wednesday

[gaunt oar]

I'm bond level 9 already though , I'm 1 point away from unlocking the whole skill tree.

The wiki says it unlocks at level 1.

[bold magnet]

I sent you a dm

[smoky crater]

the twitch streams are guaranteed if you watched for 30min with your accounts linked. the wednesday invite batches are completely random and far more unlikely to get you in

[steady egret]

shota sent me a code ill try it out once the game downloads thanks guys

[bold magnet]

I have one more if someone needs use of it.

[wet pivot]

yes i need one

[bold magnet]

happy to help.

[wet pivot]

im so down to test this game

[bold magnet]

sent

II had codes from streams. None of my gaming friends wanted to play this so you two got lucky
Have fun. this is a good game.

[wet pivot]

ty so much 🙂

[steady egret]

seriously thanks so much

probably a dumb question but the application is stuck on "Checking HTTPS network Route" did i do something wrong on install

nevermind im dumb

[visual radish]

It was the good old hidden install window wasnt it?

[steady egret]

ol reliable

[supple bramble]

hi all, I'm stuck in the torment stag quest, can anyone help?
I climbed down a ladder and walked into a corridor with two round doors on each side, the door behind me closed and the one in front isn't opening

when I use my bird to tell me where to go it just slams face first into the door

[neon shore]

FFBC-5971-EC9A-5079

[frigid knoll]

ngl boys love the game but I am kinda stuck, game looks amazing as a dark souls fan but where are the people? I am just doing dungeons over n over rn

its like oblivion a bit

[visual radish]

What people?

[sly escarp]

You're in a dungeon transition zone, sounds like it's taking a while to load

[sly escarp]

What specifically are you looking for?

[supple bramble]

after 15 minutes I just closed the game and reopened it, and when I went back to the dungeon it just loaded in a couple seconds

[sly escarp]

Hm, odd. Well, glad it fixed itself after a relog at least

[supple bramble]

the loading might have failed cause I held tab to go to the hub while it was loading maybe?

[sly escarp]

Ah, yeah

Don't go to nightfold in a transition zone

At least you stayed in the map this time

[keen carbon]

hey guys i have a gameplay question, i just teleported to a tree and then a random player showed up by its side. does the trees works as a lobby? he wasnt in my party

[rigid urchin]

I can't find motes anymore, how do we discover location names?

[visual radish]

same way
tho you might need to progress orlick if you havent played in a while

[rigid urchin]

I'll have a look ty

Can you make multiple copies of the same weapon and use them to level up mastery or does it only increase from uniques

[visual radish]

only uniques

[rigid urchin]

Shame, any way to tell if you've max levelled a weapon before?

[visual radish]

not yet

[rigid urchin]

Gonna have to write it down somewhere then

[rigid urchin]

How do I complete my journal entry on squirrels?

[peak gust]

As an honest to God question. Did anyone really feel they needed to change how loot worked? I think I prefer fragments, I just think nothing in the game should be more than 2/3 frags

Idk it has really turned me off

[half talon]

Charm more squirrels

[exotic gale]

Yeah, I hope they change their mind on weapon drops, and go back to frags

[half talon]

That's valid feedback, and you should def make a post in #1438224662344761345 . I like part of the changes, but not all of it. Which is why I believe they added only one item via p14.5 rather than straight into p15. I think there are ways of implementing it without running through 3 different RNGs for the ultimate weapon. Check out some of the threads in the feedback too and add your voices to the ones you agree with, or explain to others why you don't agree with the ideas!

[woven hazel]

where do i get the orengall armor set

[rigid urchin]

I mean I love Soulframe and Warframe but I hope they don't make this a repeat of Warframe's grind system with different combat mechanics

[craggy cape]

Serious question to people who have farmed everything in preludes to this point. do you have the will to get a "god drop" Orst-III? Everything else to this point I've known what to farm and gathered where I should go to farm it. I see people posting mace routes in the discord and I am simply not finding the desire to log in to gamble on my time.

[distant jungle]

I've leveled everything and got a single Legendary with an awful roll after dozens upon dozens of maces.

At that point I decided 'nah' and I'm just ignoring it for now, I don't have the energy for that kind of hopeless grind.

Just counting myself finished for now with every weapon I kept back at level 30.

I ain't grinding hundreds of a single item in the hopes of the one good one.

[craggy cape]

I hear you on that. I'm thinking about hanging it up until they figure out where it lands in p15

I have logged in daily to only get 80% stock and 20% 1 or 2 trait officers

That kind of grind is simply not for me. I could do it in my younger days playing World of Warcraft for a swagged out .01% drop rate mount or something. Attach that grind to something that would directly help me in combat and it just feels off.

[rugged anvil]

I stumbled upon a Ghost Ship, tried to get on it and ended up in it... I wonder if it'll have significance later or just be a prop in the distance

[distant jungle]

I think it's just a distant prop for the Duelo stuff.

[rugged anvil]

Ahh gotcha! Thanks for letting me know!

[royal heart]

I hope I can put tempers on paragon near future

I needed heavy attack speed

[distant jungle]

I highly doubt Paragon will be subject to the random roll system.

They've stated that certain important weapons will remain tied to fragments, and Paragon would be a very easy example.

The rolls are just for lower tier stuff to be more immediately usable, and to perhaps catch up and remain relevant.

If tempers are applied to everything, one half of those stated goals would be null.

As nothing can catch up when the top tier stuff also gets boosts.

Who knows though, maybe the upgrade system itself that is shrouded in mystery will be universal.

I'd just call it unlikely from what I've gathered, unless I misunderstood.

Can't exactly melt down Paragons to upgrade another Paragon.

[royal heart]

but if only dropped weapons can get tempers, craft weapons will soon outdated

I don't think tempers only exist for balance

[distant jungle]

Nothing suggests that crafted weapons will become outclassed, that'd just be something to balance.

Crafted weapons could start strong and stay strong and weaker weapons could have tempers that close some of that gap.

[royal heart]

Well, I guess that's the difference between you and me. on Warframe you know, there were a lot of trashes become much more useless, and stronger weapons getting stronger, regardless of the source of the weapons.

I just need more grind and min maxing stuff in this game tho

[distant jungle]

I don't see how any balance issues between weapons in Warframe are relevant here, tbh.

No point is made in that statement.

[royal heart]

I don't see any more reason why tempers are only needed for drop weapons. Honestly, I don't even know what it means to fill the gap. Isn't the new mace strong enough?

[distant jungle]

Assuming a high rarity and good tempers, the mace competes at high tier, yes, though it can also be argued that its moveset isn't as good as the GS moveset, even with the heavy speed increases. That, and I wouldn't count on how strong it is currently being its final state, as it's a mechanics preview. I could see it getting reeled back, as we're already kind of too strong right now.

And the upgrade system, as far as I've heard, will involve breaking weapons down to upgrade their brethren, as in breaking maces down to upgrade another copy of that mace.

There is only one Paragon, you don't have any to break down.

Maybe the resources you get from breaking stuff down will be generic, maybe everything will be upgradeable, nobody knows for sure except DE, I'd just call it unlikely for everything to be subject to the temper and tier system.

[dire python]

what attack totems do yall use for magick weapons? -armor on hit or +damage on primary cast?

[distant jungle]

Attack speed and -armor on hit for literally every weapon lol.

Those two and rat AoE are the three most used attack totems.

In any combination. I just like squirrel and beaver for generic dps.

As rat is situtational to enemies that are grouped up tightly enough.

And doesn't do anything against singular enemies like bosses.

[dire python]

ok hmmmmmm

which Cogah runes are worth going for?

[upbeat cradle]

yes

[dire python]

understood, have a nice day

[distant jungle]

The only one that's outright meh is the shield one.

Cus it just doesn't seem like it has a consistent hitbox or good damage.

The rest, as far as I know, are great.

Some of them more situational, but none of them bad.

[dire python]

another question: where do yall go to farm Gossamer Quartz? I need it to craft the Garren pact

[trim willow]

to the green man who sells it sometimes

[dire python]

...

-# psst! big legs!

ok but I need like 30 of it

[trim willow]

he sells 10 at a time iirc

[lethal halo]

Soft targeting has gotten into the hooch again.
::veers towards box::
::veers away from enemy I'm moving toward to miss guy behind me::

[dapper flame]

i think this is sold by factions?

[dire python]

Alca’s Children specifically, but rn I’m stuck with the Rose

[trim willow]

veers into an archer 5kms away while youre in the middle of a fort boss

[dapper flame]

didnt they get rid of the weekly cooldown to switch factions? or do you want to max silent rose before you swap?

[dire python]

I do want to max Rose first

[lethal halo]

It's a little upsetting when your character starts reacting incorreclty to the imputs.

[trim willow]

shout out to the dodge/roll button too. it be deciding which one its gonna be based on the alignment of the moons, your astrology sign and the enemys astrology sign

[distant jungle]

I think that's mainly reflex and the sensitivity of your shift key.

Roll is just a double-tap, but it accepts that input before dash even starts.

So a fast enough double-tap will just skip the dash and go straight into a roll.

i.e. You can cancel out of a dash into a roll at any point, even before you see the dash start.

If you learn to time it right you can even get a very long invuln window from the unbroken i-frames of both.

[naive cloud]

this tile is giving me nightmares...

[surreal shore]

why does the orst matter and why r ppl going out of their way to farm it?

[dire python]

Tempers

you can get an Orst with enough Tempers to make it very powerful and then it becomes competitive with, if not outright better, than Purity as a heavy weapon

also funny bonk stick

[finite stone]

New update, only Orst has this so far

[dire python]

100% we're getting Tempers for other weapons down the line, probably in P15, but rn Tempers are only for the Orst

[surreal shore]

gotcha, but if im using the navalha then theres no point in doing that right

[dire python]

use whatever you like

[quasi wolf]

The crypt has a bunch apparently.

[oak furnace]

I can't wait for Gathanan tempers! /s

[low falcon]

https://forums.soulframe.com/topic/11766-soulframe-feedback-—-ideas-improvements-opinions/

[surreal shore]

what would u guys say is the best pact for dps

and the best weapon to run w it

[knotty imp]

we shroommaxxing

[tepid topaz]

HI

[distant jungle]

If you want easy mode, the simplest way to cheese the world is getting a shortblade, not a dual blade but a single one cus they're much better, getting Flintsmoke, the Cogah rune, getting Duelo, and then maxing Grace and nothing else.

Active both your second and third arcanic for a virtue boost to Grace and about a 50% DPS increase.

Activate your rune for Flintsmoke to turn you invisible, forcing unaware and thus crit damage and opening up finishers.

Proceed to one-shot an Agari by shanking them twice. Also can just activate Flintsmoke and go on finisher rampages.

[scenic solar]

finally got my first 4 temper Orst-III.... but still only Officer....

[surreal shore]

lmfao alr bet, ty

what would u say is the ideal short blade

[distant jungle]

It's just leveraging Duo Duelo's absurd buff, the absolutely cracked Grace crit multi, and crit damage on demand of Flintsmoke.

The only primary one is Rostrum, the best one overall is the Wyld Sirin one, which is a secondary.

Failing that, Grinn I guess, but Rostrum would be better, and neither are locked behind founders.

Even if you can't finisher an enemy, which you can't against like, the spider Agari, thrown headshots will do fine.

[surreal shore]

gotcha, ty gng :)

[distant jungle]

Hell just using Flintlock, Duelo's first arcanic, and getting a headshot will ruin things.

So if you can't finisher them with your dagger just shoot them lmao.

[brazen grail]

I have to say, I hope non-founders aren't disadvantaged gameplay-wise from not owning the restricted weapons. The legendary greatsword thingy was supposed to get some solution to that later, but there should be alternatives for the other weapons as well.

[muted shale]

Hello, why does it write to me that the network is constantly unavailable

[brazen grail]

Did you connect successfully, previously? Did you ever get a prompt to allow the application to communicate through your firewall?

[regal shadow]

Everything from the founder packs will be available later, there will be no exclusive items

[muted shale]

Yes, everything was fine yesterday, but this problem appeared in the evening before exiting the game.

[brazen grail]

Do they get even the wyld pacts? Those are only cosmetic, right?

[finite stone]

They are separate items which provide their own mastery and additional pact arts points, and they'll be available through farming in the future

[brazen grail]

Right, forgot about mastery, but pact art points don't transfer between pacts, right?

[regal shadow]

They do, you get 60 points in wyld pacts if you leveled up normal variants

That's pretty much the only difference between wydls and normals apart from visuals

[brazen grail]

Wow, so I should level the normal ones and just get all of the arts?

[regal shadow]

Def recommend you level everything, but even so, you won't have enough points to max out everything, still gonna be missing like 5 or 6 points for everything

[oblique gyro]

Hey guuuuys how u doin?

How do i get a friends code?

[regal shadow]

Check pinned messages

[livid cobalt]

Hello! I have one questions about Agaris and bosses in general. Their difficulty is tied to the zone we are fighting them? their level depends of where they spawn or they always have the same stats (hp, dmg etc)?

[oblique gyro]

So I need to wait until tomorrow?

[scenic solar]

Nearly all but yes

[regal shadow]

Every Wednesday there's a weekly drop of 2000 invites, but it's by far the least reliable method to get codes (and keep in mind if you already have access, you can't get more codes this way), the most reliable way outside of just buying founder packs are twitch drops, next one is on 26th I believe

[scenic solar]

Prior to a few patches ago you COULD get all perks on the Wyld pacts, then they randomly added 2 more tiers to the healing perk

[oblique gyro]

Thanks mate, I just registered a few minutes ago and download the launcher. Nothing more

[regal shadow]

Better start praying to all the gods you know and don't know 😂

[brazen grail]

I don't know how long the waiting list is, but I signed up early enough that I got in long before I became a founder. Might be more competition by now.

[oblique gyro]

so better buy a code on kinguin for 60 cent 😂😂

[languid hill]

do I need another set of armor if I want one with moonsteel thread and the other without?

[halcyon comet]

part of me hopes that some founders stuff will be incredibly rare later on like excal prime in warframe. Such a cool thing to be able to have.

[smoky crater]

i think only the Paragon greatsword might be the only thing that'll get even a little bit close to that

depending on how they implement the sharing mechanic for it

[finite stone]

Bestitching isn't item-based (it used to be for like 20 days I think?), it's slot based. So you customise your Envoy's helm slot for each loadout, rather than changing the appearance of a specific helm

So the good news is no, you only need one of each armour piece 😄

[languid hill]

great! thanks

[tender bone]

whats a good armor set for courage/spirit setup?

[lament path]

Mendicant armour from the mendicant king is good for courage spirit hybrids, it is what I am using myself.

[tender bone]

thanks

[frail gale]

Hey guys what kind of gameplay does the Sterling bow achieve?

I currently have it but i do want to circle around headshotting with charged shot

[tender bone]

is it possible to ask for ur virtue scaling?

[lament path]

I think I haven't changed it from the old paladin prism yet on my main loadout, though likely I would lean more towards courage since I got oscelda for my pact on that one for cooldowns and the lack of spirit shield weapons

Also waiting for magick gauntlets and staves to have different playstyles

So pretty much ignore grace for the most part, even split on courage and spirit

[tender bone]

thanks so much

[fallow arch]

whats the difference between gildaur and verite joineries?

[opal fable]

currently nothing

[livid cobalt]

I can see the weapons crafted in the Tuvalkane crafting menu, but I'm pretty sure I have some armor pieces crafted already but I can't see the "crafted" icon on them, this is a known bug? or I'm missing something? I won't waste mats on already crafted armors.

[opal fable]

besides what weapons they can go on

[naive cloud]

it only shows crafted on weapons

[livid cobalt]

ooh ok, I have to check first before what I have done for armors then. Thank you!

[naive cloud]

yee, no probs ^^

[fallow arch]

gildaur and verite go on the same weapons though

[opal fable]

verrite only goes on some weapons, gildaur on everything

[fallow arch]

ah

hmm thrice blessed feybalt on odiac

[smoky crater]

verite = melee specific, quicksilver = bow specific (maybe flyblade too? i forgor...) feybalt = magick specific, gildaur = universal

[fallow arch]

ye flyblade too

[tender bone]

@lament path just to ask again, which pact are u mostly using?

[lament path]

Oscelda, though I am planning on building up a full spirit duelo for gunmage

[tender bone]

thanks sm

[opal fable]

am i going crazy, since when can you get this trap in the boss section of a siege

yay got my third sovereign, boo its a min roll

[knotty imp]

is sovereign the penultimate craftwork? I forget how it goes

[opal fable]

stock, military, officer, noble, sovereign, legendary

and cosmetic moonsteel

[knotty imp]

🙏

[tender bone]

any silistavf user here? what did yall put here

[dire terrace]

this was extremely helpful- thank you!

i finally got it last night before bed

[knotty imp]

depends on what you value more - archstorm is better for single target damage, the hollowing offers an AoE explosion

[tender bone]

ah i meant the uhh surrounding thingies

i dont have the hollowing yet

[knotty imp]

as for totems, i'd go with atk speed, smite chance and magic/phys armor up

[opal fable]

aoe damage can be good too

[plucky maple]

May be a bit of a moot question, but is orengall armour good to use with a spirit build and erdtree staff? Or should I use pensive over orengall armour

*ersttree or whatever its called xD

[knotty imp]

Erdtree staff 😮

[ancient ridge]

Anybody able to provide any info on Preludes invite? Signed up but says my account isnt invited

[knotty imp]

https://tenor.com/view/praisetheerdtree-praisethetwofingers-praisetheeldenlord-eldenring-erdtree-gif-25247626

[undone minnow]

Omg its the Erstroot

[knotty imp]

invites are sent out weekly to people who signed up and also if you watch 30 mins of either envoy hour or a soulframe devstream on their twitch channel with your account linked to the one you made on soulframe's official site

[ancient ridge]

Thank you!

[knotty imp]

while there was no official announcement yet, i imagine next devstream will be some time at the end of this month

[tender bone]

can give u a code if u need

[undone minnow]

There was an announcement

[ancient ridge]

If you have one that would be much appreciated

[undone minnow]

It's the same day as the warframe devstream

[tender bone]

sent u in dm

[knotty imp]

well gaddam

[digital turret]

The Form of a Ghost

[undone minnow]

I'm not sure why we haven't received a soulframe specific announcement yet, but they've at least made one

[knotty imp]

probably dealing with impending tennocon reveal, working on next preludes/hotfixes for current one lol

[supple bramble]

Question, will the wyld pacts be available to obtain without paying later or is it an Excalibur Prime situation where they'll only be available to founders

[regal shadow]

everything from founder packs will be obtainable at a later date, they dont want another excal prime situation

[trim willow]

so whats the setup for Bromius atm? full heavy armor with melee weapons or staff?

[knotty imp]

think of bromius as the tank pact so yea

also, no pact is tied to any one virtue, that allocation is entirely up to the player so even spellcaster bromius probably works

[trim willow]

guess im goin SnS then! ty friend

[true flare]

when i hold left click it wont bond, what am i doing wrong?

[trim willow]

you probably already bonded, check if your journal says "to the skies of Midrath!"

[true flare]

it still says bond with a soul aflame

[trim willow]

relog then broski

[regal shadow]

when in doubt, log out

[muted shale]

You can help, he writes that network problems are sometimes normal, and then throws him out of the game.

[coral rock]

Is there an agreed upon current "best" pact and weapon combo for a primarily solo player? I'm seeing a lot about Ode with staff or odiac

[frigid knoll]

ye that part is def glitchy, I was using ps5 controller but the game only supports ps4, so the r1 r2 are opposite. It then glitches out the spectral sight and keeps on for ever

[outer olive]

orengall's E is X-men wolverine for their kick but are there any other pacts that offer a different alternative to the kick? and also is orengall's E treated the same way as stagger?

oh i see nvm, when you charge it you do a lunge and it knocks them unstable for a sec

[muted shale]

The network is unavailable, everything was fine yesterday

[karmic cargo]

What are these bars

[muted shale]

please help)

[mighty coral]

это либо из-за впн плохого или инет шакалит

[muted shale]

Я вчера играл все норм было, а вечером эта фигня началась не знаю че делать даже

[mighty coral]

Впн есть?

[muted shale]

Щас попробовал с ним пишет что порты какие то неактивированы

[mighty coral]

давай скину норм впн

[muted shale]

платный?

[mighty coral]

не

[muted shale]

ну давай

С ним норм у тебя работает?

[mighty coral]

да

[scenic solar]

Exp. top is pact, bottom is current held weapon

[karmic cargo]

Makes sense, thank you

[frigid knoll]

anyone else getting random black screen mid game? game doesnt crash, I can press windows and go back to game

might be a specific settings

[nova jacinth]

How or where should I go to offer some suggestions? The channel below says I don't have permission.

[patent trench]

Are the enemies scaling with the player/lobby host's gear? I could be blind, but didn't see recommended quest levels in journal

[finite stone]

You don't have permission to get into https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224662344761345 ?

[strong juniper]

Guys, is the Mestra Carmo bugged or is it the parry system? I swear for my life that I can't parry her consistently.

[distant jungle]

Are you trying to tap parry?

All parry is is the first some number of frames of your block.

If you only tap and thus end block early, you're ending parry early if not all of those frames have passed.

It'll only make it harder.

[cold idol]

I use The Hollowing because it does more damage per Rune charge. Archstorm does 200% at Rank 3 to a single target. The Hollowing does 300% at Rank 3 to multiple targets, including the target your hitting. Also, for the passive totems, I use increase armor, increase magic, increase smite chance, and increased attack speed. For the pact, I use Orengall with a high Spirit build. Summon a bunch of wolves and pew pew from a distance. For armor, I use the Pensive set.

[strong juniper]

The moment I see her attack is gonna land on me I hold the block button, just as I do with the rest of enemies.

With any other enemy I can reliably parry, but with Mestra (specially with her lunge attack) it's like she is hitting me before her weapon reaches me. I try to raise the block but my character gets hit and doesn't raise its guard

And other times I swear I'm parrying just at the moment of impact but I'm just blockingthe attack and eating the whole stagger damage

[distant jungle]

Huh, I wouldn't know then. It may be latency? It could also be bugginess cus that fight already has a history of various kinds of issues.

I believe you can largely get through just from spamming charged heavies due to the rally system though, unless you're undergeared.

[strong juniper]

Rally system?

[distant jungle]

Oh, the gray health system, the fact that you have a period of time where you can regain lost health through violence.

Bloodborne was the first big game that had that as a core mechanic, and it was called the rally system.

So the term kind of stuck around.

[smoky crater]

Here called Health Regain but yeeeeeah

Very... Shrimple

[distant jungle]

That sounds very generic and rally rolls off the tongue better.

Cus I also regain health through a number of means.

Though gray health is another popular term cus of some games graying out that soon-to-be-missing HP, like Remnant 2.

Just saying 'we have gray health' is often enough to get someone to understand the system at play.

At least if they've ever experienced it before.

[versed coral]

Hello there, I'm new around here and I would like to know if there is a healer role on this game, if so, which one is?

[distant jungle]

The pact closest to generic healer would be Oscelda, though several pacts are capable of healing.

[smoky crater]

Not like that really but there are pacts that do have healing abilities

[distant jungle]

Oscelda I think is the only one with a team heal?

[smoky crater]

Yeah

Spirit starter pact

[versed coral]

Is there a good guide or video showing how it is?

[distant jungle]

Cus you just plant a flower with a heal AoE.

[versed coral]

It is a mage and healer at the same time?

[distant jungle]

Oscelda is one of three pacts that I'd call 'magey' yeah. Pacts all have arcanics and are all technically magic, but Oscelda, as well as Mora's Hand and Garren Rood, use all three of their arcanics quite often and quite evenly, leading to a playstyle that feels more like a dedicated caster.

In contrast to pacts like Tethren, Bromius, and Duelo which have one arcanic they kind of revolve around, the others providing support, and focusing more on your weapons for achieving consistent damage.

[frigid knoll]

Which wolf u guys picked

[distant jungle]

Though Oscelda will rely on your weapons for damage too as its arcanics are utility-oriented.

[distant jungle]

The white one for mini-Orengall lol.

[versed coral]

I've always played as healer or support on most games, so I will try this Oscelda you said and see how it goes, thanks!

[naive cloud]

oscelda is amazing 😄

[strong juniper]

The overcooked one! Little Coalmine!

[frigid knoll]

That's which? Blk?

[strong juniper]

Yes

Btw I just checked out, the Mestra is bugged

[versed coral]

I've discover the cash shop, what are those weapons and armors for sale? I'm a bit confused

[visual radish]

Same as what you can craft

Its just a, "i dont wanna farm" button

No difference in power

[versed coral]

So a P2F feature? I see you can also buy inventory capacity 🤔

[visual radish]

Have never heard p2f

I know f2p but the opposite i dont know lol

[visual radish]

Yeah armor, pacts and weapons take inventory slots

[versed coral]

Pay 2 Fast*

[distant jungle]

Yeah Warframe, and thus likely this game too, kind of runs on that.

[visual radish]

Yeah

[distant jungle]

Makes the actual gameplay less predatory, so it's worth imo.

[lethal tundra]

@versed coral

Ocelda does have the only team heal that I'm Awere of. Duelo a Grace pact has another team buff.

Support magic hasn't been really built out in the game thus.

[versed coral]

So when is the game coming out? Is there an estimated time?

[proven smelt]

Nope

2 years? just speculation

there's been nothing official mentioned in so far as I know anyone replying to this is just giving you a wild assed guess

so just be patient & let them cook

come back in 2 or 3 years

[finite stone]

It kinda depends what you mean by 'out' too! If you mean 'playable on PC and all your progress gets saved', we're basically there right now 🥳

[proven smelt]

I don't mean to be so blunt I'm not in the greatest of moods today I apologize

[finite stone]

If you mean out on Steam, then I'd guess within a year? And console, 2/3 years? 🤷‍♂️

[proven smelt]

ya that sounds about right

[finite stone]

Hope the Raptors win soon and everything gets better

[proven smelt]

LOL!!! Raptors are in offseason next up is the draft on June...23rd? Don't quote me on that!

Sports I'm following now are the Montreal Canadians who made it to the Eastern Conference Finals against the Carolina Hurricanes.
I am def watching the NBA Playoffs rooting? I guess for the OKC Thunder they have 2 Canadians on the team so.
off top of my head not sure if the Cavs or Knicks have any Canadians or the Spurs.
And then there's always the Blue Jays (MLB) & then World Cup is upcoming!

[distant jungle]

I think it's been said that steam by the end of the year is a goal, which to me suggests a shift out of alpha and into beta and perhaps more open testing, like an actual early access. I've also heard full release has a goal of perhaps 2 to 3 years.

[proven smelt]

ya that sounds right Chloran

patience is the key

[prisma tinsel]

I'm stuck and can't get out of a place. Is there an "unstuck" button?

[nova jacinth]

I tried to earlier and it said I didn't have permission.

[craggy cape]

don’t sleep on the courage ability, the bonus to weak spot damage can hit like a truck if you pop a headshot on someone while they’re a stone

[distant jungle]

Well yeah, but that still relies on weapon damage for big payoff.

Contrary to Mora's Hand and Garren Rood that can just mcmurder things via arcanics.

It's just a different vibe.

[distant jungle]

There's an /unstuck command, iirc.

Just in chat.

[prisma tinsel]

I'm in a middle of a sidge and can't access chat (t)

[distant jungle]

Then I'd make a bug report about the location and relog, nothing else can fix it sadly unless you wiggle your way out. Just part of playing a pre-alpha.

[prisma tinsel]

Understood, thanks

[distant jungle]

There should be an unstuck command that isn't dependent on the chatbox being there, but alas I do not think there currently is.

[regal shadow]

yes there is

relog

:)

[half loom]

---

Can Sirin's Glamour let you 'sneak attack' mid combat and I'm just doing something wrong?
Or is it purely a 'get out of trouble' ability ?

[low ravine]

Currently stuck in Orengall's quest. I freed her pups outside first, and then my sparrow is leading me inside a dungeon that's not spawning enemies. The mines has enemies, but not inside the dungeon itself. I've looped the mines and dungeon several times, and I can't seem to progress further.

[regal shadow]

that part of the quest is very buggy it seems, only thing you can really do is keep relogging until the game decides to get its sh*t together

[low ravine]

do I relog and retry the dungeon?

[regal shadow]

not much else you can do 'm afraid

[low ravine]

that's unfortunate

[exotic herald]

Did anyone else not get the Arc's refund for the storage capacity that they bought?

[opal fable]

honestly i have no clue if i got the refund or not, the game really needs the warframe mail system

[regal shadow]

could contact support if you think you didnt get refunded

[exotic herald]

I'm like 90% certain that I didn't but I'm not 100% certain. I agree there should be a mail system, or at least a transaction tracker. I know the hotfix notes said it was a reduced refund but I don't think I did

[regal shadow]

i got like 400 arcs back

[exotic herald]

I might just be doing my math wrong, Its been a few weeks since I was able to log on

[opal fable]

if you are really concerned you could make a support ticket

[exotic herald]

I probably will

[opal fable]

i wonder what arcs are gonna be useful for in the future, currently i only use them on slots

[finite stone]

Ahh I think you need to go into Channels & Roles and select the feedback one!

[exotic herald]

does the Craftwork stat only apply to the new mace for now?

[opal fable]

currently yes

[finite stone]

Here's what the patchnotes said! Basically Orst is getting used as a preview for the new system, but they hope to bring it to all weapons in future (we're currently guessing that'll be P15 since it's the big loot system update 👀 )

[opal fable]

i hope in next weeks devstream they are gonna expand what the entire system will be like

[exotic herald]

Gotcha, excited for that although I’m not looking forward to crafting 15 new seathorns

[tacit panther]

xp

[sweet zephyr]

Eh so i got a sovereign Orst-III with 6 tempers. Anything i should be looking for specifically on it like certain tempers/stats?

[opal fable]

you want the damage and heavy attack tempers

[quasi wolf]

With smite, voltaic and increased stagger as bonus

[sweet zephyr]

These are the ones i have, eerything else i've had have been miitary or rarely officer so i havent looked at tempers

[opal fable]

the main you are missing is the heavy attack speed up i think

[sweet zephyr]

cool ty, next to try and get a legendary with them all :,)

[quasi wolf]

Yeah, if it had that it would’ve been perfect

[sweet zephyr]

Thanks guys and gals

[opal fable]

still, a 6 temper sovereign is really good. very rare

[quasi wolf]

It’s not a huge issue, you can use treefell to compensate for the lack of heavy atk wind up

Yeah that was a lucky find

[sweet zephyr]

I got a heart attack when i saw it, i was like :O but had no idea what i was looking at haha

[sweet zephyr]

good idea thanks

[opal fable]

my last 2 sovereigns were both 4 temper min rolls :(

[sweet zephyr]

If only you could duel wield them and youd have 8

[opal fable]

im gonna keep pushing for a legendary, which will probably min roll

[quasi wolf]

Just stockpile orsts until p15, so that you have a bunch of scrap you can melt down to retemper your favourite mace

[opal fable]

i just sell all the militaries and stock when im full up

[subtle salmon]

sparrows quests can't track today it seems.
-. -

[pseudo nexus]

Does cogah impact Orst 3 quality ?

[lethal tundra]

@versed coral the game is in Pre-Alpha officially.

We haven't even left the tutorial zone. Or even started the main plot.

[opal fable]

nobody has a definitive answer on this, but imo yes

not a lot tho

i have about 300 maces in total, roughly 150 in non cogah and 150 in cogah with enemies between 40-70. and in the cogah group i get higher officer+ craftworks

[low ravine]

any recommendations for early courage/grace armor sets?

[lethal narwhal]

I think it just increases spawn rates which in turn gives you more chances to get maces. The patrolling mace knights or the ones guarding specific poi’s seemingly don’t drop Stock craftwork’s. So if you are aiming to get a legendary one I would follow a southern castle route. I have gotten 2 legendaries in cogah already just by farming mace knights

#1503888082246566008 message

[opal fable]

2 legendaries is some crazy luck

[lethal narwhal]

This route works great! But keep your eye out on more along the way

[lethal narwhal]

One is a 6 temper and the other is an 8 temper

[opal fable]

is the 8 temper the best roll?

[austere lark]

guys is it normal for the birdie to keep harrassing me? talking about game just started

[lethal narwhal]

It’s the max roll, I’m not sure we have a god roll atm

[opal fable]

i mean as in do you get the correct tempers

getting the 8 temper roll and missing a good temper is gonna suck

[lethal narwhal]

I am missing full force on it I believe

I’m not in game to double check lol

I’m not too worried though as we will probably be able to upgrade/swap out tempers later on

I just wish DE would explain the upcoming systems and what their goals and plans are for weapon crafting in general

[zenith knoll]

we do have a devstream coming in 10 days, don't we

[lethal narwhal]

Yep, but it’d still be nice to have a workshop to pair with it

Or even a devshorts to have them let us know what their plans are before P15 comes

Considering p15 is supposed to release end of May/beginning of June according to Steve

[zenith knoll]

wait THAT early???

when did he say that?

[versed coral]

Oooh damn, I thought it was on a beta state. Thanks for clarifying

[lethal narwhal]

Yeah that’s the last communication we have on it at least, during the livestream and again during envoy hour

[zenith knoll]

hmm

[opal fable]

steve did say a couple times it might get delayed i think

like its only end of may/beginning of june if nothing goes wrong

[lethal narwhal]

https://www.youtube.com/live/lH3PIUqpzJA?si=Wzm4e85b-XRNOPSH

43:30

[lethal narwhal]

Right, and we’ve had delays in the past especially with the current community attitude towards the update I would expect a delay

[opal fable]

i don't mind update delays, i would like some more clarification about the direction of this system

[lethal narwhal]

Here’s the transcript directly from Steve

“if you're worried about RNG and grinding, that sort of stuff. The goal for P15 is that eventually you'll be able to just burn down this stuff into something you can control. So, trading sort of time investment there for crafting. But it's coming pre-made. There's no crafting loops, currently. So, I think we're kind of trading, kind of, two ways to play.”

That’s basically everything we know

Very vague 😅

[opal fable]

man, if thats gonna be for every weapon we better get better inventory management

[zenith knoll]

yeah they're gonna need to catch up on that as well

[lethal narwhal]

Yeah, we have no way to tell at a glance what rarity(craftwork) or how many tempers a weapon has. No way to sort, multi-select, favourite or mark as trash. We can’t type to search for a specific weapon or grip type either. Needs a ton of QoL for the inventory system

[opal fable]

the fact that the item pickup popup does show craftwork is really annoying

[distant jungle]

In your inventory and arsenal they need to be marked according to craftwork at the very least.

Having a giant pile of mystery maces is aggravating.

[opal fable]

also the fact that moonsteel is a seperate roll from craftwork, so odds are its gonna be on a trash military

[lethal narwhal]

We should be able to tell what the weapon craftwork is when it drops, like borderlands or something. Just change the shimmer or light beam to a different colour and different effects etc

[distant jungle]

Just on the little box UI, it needs to have a craftwork symbol.

Top left, top right, idc.

And preferably sort by them.

[lethal narwhal]

Right now it’s a minefield deleting them that I don’t want because all rarities are sorted by when you picked them up, and there’s no hierarchy

[distant jungle]

It needs to be obvious in your inventory and arsenal at a glance without clicking on the item to expand its UI.

Just on the minimized UI, clear what craftwork that item is.

[opal fable]

a locking system or a buyback system is pretty mandatory imo

[lethal narwhal]

We need to know rarity, attunement, temper slots and level of an item, and if it has a joinery equipped without having to click on it

Because if we are expected to look at 200+ weapons in your inventory, it would be nice to know which weapon I’ve already crafted into and spent time leveling

I don’t want to view 40 maces in my inventory and have to remember the legendary I’m using is number 27 in that list

[opal fable]

at this point i would prefer significantly less loot but higher rarities, it doesn't have to be like poe/diablo

[lethal narwhal]

I just can’t imagine this system working well once they add other Ode’n weapons and potentially armour. Killing a group of enemies is going to litter the floor with 20 different items to collect

[opal fable]

and 99% of it is trash you have to sort through

also we would need like 1000 inventory slots not 300

[lethal narwhal]

Which some you may want but how do we determine which to pick up? They’ll have to add a different way to loot in general

[finite stone]

same yes, I would like more excitement from individual drops versus lots of chores to do

which funnily enough, was DE's exact reason for reducing chest quantities ages ago in like P9 or something

[lethal narwhal]

If I want just the helmet from an ode enemy, but it’s surrounded by 3 weapons, 2 chest pieces and a completely different helmet that I don’t want, we are going to need to be able to select from a list of dropped items on the floor or something

Also, imagine the sword you just dropped falling off a cliff or into the bottom of a river, physical drops like the mace can cause issues. They’ll have to figure out some way not to let them glitch through the floor too or become inaccessible by falling through a crack

There’s already loot that falls in between tight spaces around the organ and ode walls that makes it impossible to grab

[opal fable]

idk it might just be me, but soulframe was supposed to be more casual/simpler than warframe, and having a loot system like poe(2) sounds like the exact opposite to me

[lethal narwhal]

They’ve always said they wanted it to be more approachable and “cozy” compared to Warframe yeah

[noble gale]

Dropped weapons are far more intuitive. Also you likely won't need high craftwork ranks to do good damage to begin with

[opal fable]

yeah but you are gonna get showered in them

[noble gale]

Personally I like the variance. And I'm 99.9% sure there will be ways to use the crafting system to go for the exact stuff you want on the weapon

[lethal narwhal]

Theres a bit of conflicting updates to system that the new pre-built weapons and virtue lithes brings for sure.

New players do get their hands on exciting weapons faster, but with limited lithes they won’t be able to swap their builds around to use them or want to invest into them.

I do think it’s a good idea to have a way for DE to improve “basic” weapons and allow them to stand out vs future unique weapons though.

[lethal narwhal]

We hope so yeah, I bet they’ll make it more approachable than 4-5 layers of RNG that we have now 😅

[opal fable]

i can't see the lith system staying like this, seems to punish new players and is literally irrelevant to older players

[lethal narwhal]

Get the weapon to drop
Roll craftwork
Roll temper slots
Roll tempers
Roll Moonsteel

Lots of RNG

[noble gale]

Also? Very hot take. I'd prefer it if DE explored newer systems, just cause it's good in Warframe doesn't mean we can't find something better

Sometimes playing it safe is a bad thing lol

[opal fable]

i agree with this, but rng is tried a couple of time in warframe and it wasn't very great most of the time on launch

[noble gale]

I'd argue the foundry system is actually pretty bad for new player retention. I had a friend or two that was having lots of fun until they saw 24 hours to craft a gun, 72 hours to craft a frame etc and they'd just be like "Yeah I'm not waiting all that." And just drop it

[lethal narwhal]

I mean I do think they can learn for sure from Warframe and from other games in the industry. And since it is pre-alpha I do want them to thrash the systems about and find what works the best and what the community wants. My only issue is lack of communication and then repeating old mistakes

[noble gale]

So I think they're heading in the right direction

After all, I'm willing to wait that long cause as an old player/somebody already dedicated to the game.
#1: I'm used too it
#2: I already have 100+ weapons built to play around with.

To some new player they see "A day to play with a new weapon? Yeah I only got like 3 hours on this free game, I'm outta here."

[scenic solar]

What's the best magic sidearm? in terms of raw stats it looks like a tie between Basker's Wrest and Odiac

[noble gale]

So seeng the MAJORLY reduced crafting times is great imo

[lethal narwhal]

I agree with you yeah, I am happy they are removing a lot of the crafting timers. As for Warframe I just skip all lot of them with plat nowadays since I trade frequently.

It’s not something I’ve had to consider at all for a long time 😅

[lethal narwhal]

Yeah I believe it’s between those two, just preference atm

[noble gale]

Overall, I want to see new systems explored, new ways to do things. Soulframe should be known as Soulframe afterall, not the little brother to warframe. And this is the time to experiment and mix things around

At the very least I can say that it seems like SoulFrame is gonna be a lot more Cohesive in terms of story/lore. Which I love lol

[lethal narwhal]

Oh yeah definitely, they’re focusing more on story than early Warframe dev ever did

[noble gale]

Like I won't lie, Warframe had so much retconning/adjustments made too it that it's a completely unfollowable mess. Don't get me wrong I love every second of it, I've always been a "Rule of Cool" kind of guy. But it's just...totally lacking cohesion.

SoulFrame on the otherhand? I like that we've already established the setting and some actual story lol

[lethal narwhal]

I do hope this upcoming Tennocon (or next devstream) we get updates on systems they’ve mentioned already now a year ago. Like the combat arts manual, pact upgrade trees rework, mantling/climbing, etc.

[lethal narwhal]

It does seem like with the remaster to the awakening quest it’s a good step on redoing the new player experience for sure. I bet we might see a return to old lore that’s no longer in the game too eventually

[noble gale]

I have but one thing I want to see in the game and its more variance for bows/magic characters

I want hand crossbows, big ol crossbows, wands, orbs etc etc

Right now melee is just sitting there patting they big belly with over half the weapon types in the game

[lethal narwhal]

We have seen two crossbows

[noble gale]

Crossbows, wands, chakrams, orbs, spellbooks, heck give me some boomerangs and slings

[lethal narwhal]

And here’s another ode’n staff that would be different than what we have currently

[noble gale]

I'd love duel hand crossbows, kind of like Demon Hunter from Diablo 3

[noble gale]

🤓 That's actually an arbalest (jk)

But yeah, give me some of those

[drifting crescent]

Do any of the other weapons drop in tiers like the Orst-III or just that one for now?

[finite stone]

Just Orst for now! DE mentioned in the patchnotes that it's a preview of the upcoming system #gameplay-discussion message

[scenic solar]

Now they need to tell us how the upgrading system will work, and if there'll be any way to upgrade to moonsteel... got like 90 total so far, 1 Officer with 4 tempers (highest amount yet), 1 noble with 3 tempers (highest rarity yet), and no moonsteel

[spice drift]

oh man i got one lyke wake fragment on my first run and now its been dry for over 10 runs

[sly escarp]

Moonsteel isn't a craftwork

Legendary is the highest. Moonsteel is seemingly a shiny variant.

[lethal narwhal]

Maybe Moonsteel could be something we could craft into a weapon too one day, a use for sacred shimmer perhaps?

[sly escarp]

Eh, it's entirely cosmetic

Imo better everything else be upgradeable, and make the shiny the chase for the devoted fans of a given weapon

[half talon]

I hope you know Naito I'm still crying...

[sly escarp]

WE THOUGHT YOU KNEW!!!!

[half talon]

I didn't read......

[sly escarp]

T_T

Pain

[half talon]

It was entirely my fault

[sly escarp]

Hopefully you get a good shiny drop tomorrow?

[half talon]

Plenty of hours tonight, but I might need to just.... step away for my sanity lol

[sly escarp]

Probably

Get some rest