gameplay-discussion

[trim oriole]

exp

[frozen edge]

weapon xp

[trim oriole]

top is pact bottom is weapon

[faint coyote]

gello im new here this game game have pvp mode?

[frozen edge]

man, I really hate rng attributes on weapons

[scarlet cargo]

no

[distant jungle]

Okay the base damage is the same but the scaling is... random? On the same stat layout at the same level, versions of this weapon can have different (+) amounts. That's going to be a nightmare to track.

[trim oriole]

nopw

[faint coyote]

ok thanks

[vagrant iris]

..... sound redesign for melee throwables

https://youtube.com/shorts/Me1l3O-ehp4?si=GNxIZQAXIq0BTKTa

[trim oriole]

prolly to do with the tempers

[opal fable]

15 maces in, only trash so far :(

[trim oriole]

my best so far

dont think it can be much better so im just leveling this one

[opal fable]

there is a rank above officer

[wet tulip]

yoink

[trim oriole]

any pictures?

[opal fable]

oh there is even one above noble

[idle elbow]

thanks! do you know if i can hide it?

[opal fable]

steve called out the first player who got moon steel tier on the stream

man, i haven't even seen a noble yet. i wonder if i need higher enemy levels

[distant jungle]

Oh great so there's going to be hyper rare legendary drops.

With variable perks, scaling, and even hyper rare rarities, it's literally just rivens as weapons.

And it'll be marketed the same way when trading arrives.

[wet tulip]

now i really wonder how they are going to work around when theres weapons being sold from the camel

[tropic charm]

soulframe now has D2 weapon rolls, definitely what it was missing, yep

[opal fable]

i really really really hope we can swap around tempers and upgrade them at the smith lady at some point

[wet tulip]

like what? buy from camel get random buffs?

[trim oriole]

orst isnt really good enough for me to care about what rolls it has anyway

[opal fable]

if not its literally just rivens but worse

[trim oriole]

level it and never touch it again

[tropic charm]

heavy attack seems good and unique

[trim oriole]

animation wise yeah

but its weak

[lavish smelt]

the levels are shared i think

[trim oriole]

higher tier maces might slap though

[lavish smelt]

i have a voltaic-breakneck mace and im really enjoying it

[tropic charm]

well, did u get it to 30 yet?

if not u r missing stagger/damage

[lavish smelt]

i think with levels and joinery it will slap harder than if not equal to the paragon

[trim oriole]

paragon also aint great though

[carmine remnant]

I just got mine to 30

[prisma iron]

Is it acceptable to ask here questions about where to find things in-game? I'm really, really stuck on a quest.

[carmine remnant]

Odd that the joineries aren't showing in the tool tips now though, I got a 3 pip mora on that.

[distant jungle]

Okay update there was some perk confusion with what applies to visible stats and what does not, the damage does not seem to randomly roll thank god.

[trim oriole]

i dont think the mace is terrible, but its clearly a low level weapon

[distant jungle]

So not truly rivens but a rivens-lite.

[craggy crown]

https://www.twitch.tv/brozime good discussion 🚨

[compact trout]

Yes, go for it

[agile horizon]

wym worse? you know where what things drop. Things drop quite readily. If anything, it's more akin to the borderlands

[distant jungle]

With some rarities being super rare, and then wanting good perk rolls on those rarities.

[opal fable]

with a riven you can at least reroll, now you have to farm another mace per roll

[trim oriole]

they are adding breaking down and rerolling though no?

[prisma iron]

I'm really having a hard time finding "Soulsbane." It says it's in Midrath's Plains, but I'm not certain if that's a specific area or just..."the plains" generally.

[trim oriole]

in p15

[wet tulip]

the rolls from dropped weapons aren't what i am concerned about. its about what if i want to buy the weapon from the camel xD

[sly escarp]

Absolutely!

[compact trout]

Thats a flower in the grey region on the map. The corrupted areas

[agile horizon]

with a riven you gotta go to the coal mine for hours to cap your steel essence and the blud tank, here (much like in borderlands) your game plan isn't interrupted

you just gas

[opal fable]

has anyone noticed that the floating crates just ascend when you approach?

[agile horizon]

i've noticed all my votives bugging out, gotta go for a walk, hopefully there'd be a hotfix by the time i come back

[cloud palm]

I haven't logged in yet to the new update, do your already crafted weapons have Tempers and the unique stats tied to them or it's for newer weapons you acquire?

[agile horizon]

nah

[cloud palm]

That sucks

[agile horizon]

it's just for the newER weapON for now

singular

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[vapid rover]

hi guys (: i just got access to the preludes and i have a quick question. which frame has the better fashion? male or female

[tiny meadow]

Okay I have my twitch linked to my DE account. I watched over 30 mins where can I expect the key to be?

[wet tulip]

female

[trim oriole]

nah doesnt look like it

not entierly anyway

[vapid rover]

go to soulframe.com
account management
COPY THE CODE FIRST. i didnt do that and got scared i wouldn’t be able to play

[tiny meadow]

Gottchu

[vapid rover]

i immediately pressed “claim and download” but i was on my phone

[tiny meadow]

Thanks

[sly escarp]

You don't have to copy the code

If you hit claim, it claims it for your account

In fact, if you copy the code and claim it, then try and input the code, it will return an error

Once your account has access it has access for good.

[vapid rover]

oh nice. good to know. i play on steam deck so when i clicked “copy and downloaded” on my phone, it redirected me and i pressed the back button and the code was gone. i was worried i wasn’t gonna be able to play lol

[regal spire]

I would like someone to explore the question

How does Prisms now feel with Liths for a New player?

I don't have the patience to start over, or experiment with it rn.

Some of the thoughts i'd like to hear is.
"Did liths improve the new player experience or not?"
"How much did it improve?"
"What are some of the issues the new players experienced?"
"*How is MR leveling?"
"Anything else they may want to add?"

The reason I am asking this is because I feel like one of the issues I had with Prisms was about how they made the early game worse. Especially in regards to finding and equipping weapons/armor with few Prisms availible. Which weapons they find early to try and level their MR. etc.

Initially Liths feel like it may help. As long as the new players have a liths to use when they get a new piece of gear. but if they don't have them it's back to the same issue. Instead Liths feel like it adress some of the issues with prisms, not all.

So I'm curious to read peoples thoughts tmr or in a week. when people have had some time with it.

[sly escarp]

Nope. Claim and Download does 2 things: claims it to unlock access for your account, then redirects you to the download page

The code gives an account access

[frozen edge]

is the corrupted dog codex a known bug? didn't see it in search

[compact trout]

Is it just me that cant scrap/sell/release extra totems and runes?

[frozen edge]

no entry and loss of functionality when you click it that can only be ESCed out and it dims your screen

[carmine remnant]

I can't either.

Not just you. It's bugged out. Can't sell runes/totems.

[minor marlin]

Is there a way to check my storage capacity for weapons and armor :?

[prisma iron]

It is incredibly frustrating to get deep into a quest line, only for the whole thing to get scrapped because an enemy spawns underground or some nonsense.

[compact trout]

Okok, glad its not just me, now its just the waiting game for a hotfix.

[wet tulip]

spin2win is back xDD

[cloud palm]

Oh, so only the new mace has the temper stuff?

[wet tulip]

for now

[opal fable]

are mace elites rarer in higher level areas?

i found plenty around the south castle, but up north they are so rare

[trim oriole]

Hopfully they will make it so you can break down weapons for tempers and apply them to other weapons, even old ones

it will be horrible if all weapons drop like this

even worse if some just cant get it

[light siren]

hey are the other pacts purchase only or can i earn them in game

[trim oriole]

you can earn them all

except wyld ones

for now

[vapid rover]

dang man. i wanna go with spirit virtue cause i like spell caster gameplay, but grace is so cool too ;-;

which do yall think is best?

[light siren]

do the wyld ones do anythign different

[trim oriole]

they get extra art points

and some kind of buff when you smite but no idea what it actually does

[tranquil sable]

whats the craftwork tiers?

[opal fable]

oh i had not seen sovereign before

[carmine remnant]

I'm not gonna lie... I don't really like this, at all. If everything is gonna be like this, this is going to turn into RNG grind fest on steroids. Like worse than riven re-rolling.

[tranquil sable]

my only issue is the inventory issue in the future

[carmine remnant]

The tiers just have the potential to have a number of tempers but they can roll less, that's bad.

[tranquil sable]

ik they changed it

[carmine remnant]

Like the tiers should have set numbers of tempers. It's already RNG which ones you're getting, that's enough RNG.

[trim oriole]

i dont like the idea of having 50 weapons i have to sort through and delete every couple hours if they start adding more weapons like this

[visual radish]

Not much, and wyld ones will be earnable later in development

[carmine remnant]

This, too. This is way too much inventory management if all weapons are gonna be like this.

[frozen edge]

needs an upgrade/rerolling system to mitigate rng imo, this game doesnt have nearly the drop rate to pretend to be diablo

[scarlet cargo]

joineries don't seem to work on orst

[lucid dirge]

surprise update WOW .. b4 i read it is it a W update?

[carmine remnant]

imho THIS is what we should be using all the extra fragments we have for. Use fragments to do that. Give us a pathway to customize it manually and not have to rely on RNG.

[tranquil sable]

i would say they need to add a lock function to help keep what weapons we want

[visual radish]

Mixed

[trim oriole]

lower case w

it has potential

[carmine remnant]

Or let us break down weapon fragments into a resource like kuva that "rerolls" tempers.

[frozen edge]

I like the fragment idea, but imagine rerolling lyke-wake if it gets placed on this system

[visual radish]

Potential to get worse imo
In my opinion this is the edge of a very bad slippery slope

[carmine remnant]

Agree, kind of

I think this has way higher of a chance to turn out bad, than good.

I don't like this as it sits right now.

[visual radish]

Like granted i am severely biased because i dont have the patience for random stats nowadays

But the rushed out update with questionable ideas worries me a bit more (seriously consumable respec?)

[knotty moon]

Didn't Steve talk about extracting the Tempers and applying them to something else?

[frozen edge]

I'd want a sorting filter for most recent with this system too. or even better a temporary separate inventory that we can sort through to decide what to keep when returning to the nightfold

[distant jungle]

And for selling items to not randomly soft lock you, as that bug is suddenly vastly more relevant now.

[carmine remnant]

If he did I didn't hear it. But currently that isn't in this "test". So if it's planned, hopefully that would launch with P15 and not be a Soon(TM) feature.

[distant jungle]

And needs to be fixed pronto.

[carmine remnant]

Also they need to communicate better what the tiers of rarity are here. They didn't include that in the patch.

[knotty moon]

I'm fairly sure the separate inventory was the plan, hopefully they didn't abandon the idea.

[carmine remnant]

Inventory is gonna fill up real quick when every weapon can drop pre-made with these tempers.

[drifting steppe]

I'm confused, on stream their weapons had some kind of uh, abilities? Or smth?

Why I can't see those on mine

[fathom lance]

yeah i usually just use the optimization feature on the nvidia app which works pretty well but soulframe doesnt come up on it.

[knotty moon]

Only for the new Mace.

[carmine remnant]

It's only the new mace for testing

You have to go farm it

[drifting steppe]

Ahh

[opal fable]

so either the higher rarities need way higher level enemies or the rates are pretty bad, maybe cogah could help

[visual radish]

Basically using the new weapon to preview and test what they wanna do in preludes 15

[drifting steppe]

Gotcha. Another question - did anyone notice the problems with the Mestra? It seems she stopped dropping her armour parts

[sly escarp]

Chance to drop, not guaranteed

Could be bad luck, could be an issue

[drifting steppe]

Hm, previously I was stably getting at least one piece per fight or at least a weapon joiner.

Was trying to get the hat

[proud ruin]

hello, i came back after a short break, can someone please tell me what do these 2 bars mean under the skills?

[carmine remnant]

XP bars

[frozen edge]

you got really lucky

[drifting steppe]

I have so many chest pieces now x)

[proud ruin]

ohhh okay, ty. is this a new addition?

[carmine remnant]

In this prelude that just dropped today, yes.

[sly escarp]

P14.5

[proud ruin]

pretty nice addition, ty for letting me know 😄

[drifting steppe]

On a flipside, there is no more intro cutscene when fighting her

So you get straight into it

[frozen edge]

Are these Thrice-Bound changes new or old? Been a while since I killed him

[sly escarp]

Depends, what changed

[frozen edge]

He's doing all kinds of flashy stuff now. I dont remember him doing anything other than simple melee

[drifting steppe]

One day ....

[granite needle]

whats the best place to farm gossamer quartz?

[analog vessel]

i see...

[frozen edge]

impressive

[opal fable]

is sovereign or noble better?

[analog vessel]

sovereign

[frozen edge]

I'd assume sovereign since rulers > regular nobles

[opal fable]

so its military->officer->noble->sovereign->moonsteel?

[frozen edge]

should have just gone with regular rpg standbys of common, uncommon, rare, etc

[scenic solar]

Okay, so what are the stat spreads needed for each of the 6 (more?) loadouts needed for everything? I'm going to assume 3 are going to straight up max each Virtue

[opal fable]

for anyone wondering about the moonsteel rarity, check the youtube vod of envoy hour #12 at 15:45

[austere lintel]

I JUST WOKE UP DID WE REALLY GET 4.5 WITH MOUTs ADN SWIMMING

[scenic solar]

no mounts

[austere lintel]

damn

ah well swimmin!!

[scenic solar]

swimming (which sucks currently, just bunny hop in the water instead), paid respecing of virtues, and the first RNG weapon

[faint coyote]

how to add friend?

[robust sparrow]

Server down?

[robust sparrow]

Paid?

[scenic solar]

new arbitrary currency to move the cursor for the virtue spread

[opal fable]

to be seen how bad it will be, depending on its drop rates

[frozen edge]

I don't see the point if it besides deliberately time gating manual assignment of virtues

[faint coyote]

hello im new here how to add friend?

[opal fable]

you mean ingame? check the friends tab ingame

[faint coyote]

why?

[cloud palm]

What the

Synod is dropping mfs on me

[opal fable]

if you are 100% sure you didn't type the name wrong you might want to make a support ticket

[robust sparrow]

But that's not paid

[minor marlin]

Mestra carmo is very bugged lol
Also what’s the white bars in the bottom right of the screen? Beneath the abilities

[robust sparrow]

It's the amount of thingies you have, atm you can have at maximum 50

[robust sparrow]

XP bar, no need for that

[faint coyote]

yeah im sure i didn't type the name wrong

[brazen sparrow]

what a place to put the outhouse... Like right in the middle of the main path..

[minor marlin]

Ah, thank you
Love how it’s a bit more clear lol

[cloud palm]

I was walking by and all of the sudden a giant bell-shaped object fell and a bunch of Oden soldiers came out of it, cool ngl, it scared me the first time it happened

[cloud palm]

I mean... Ode'n sinecures are human afterall

You wouldn't want to do it in the grass during patrol hours

[brazen sparrow]

yeah, but on the main road

[opal fable]

pff 24 maces and highests are officers, bleh

[timid eagle]

Are they? They seem to bleed Ichor. They at least drop it. Haven't found any lore anywhere to suggest anything in either direction...

[distant jungle]

Ode aren't human but they're vaguely human-like. They have blood and organs and flesh and probably have to poop sometimes.

They eat, therefore they must expel.

[sinful scarab]

wait a minute……the arsenal area looks different

[sharp cove]

Does Cogah also drop the new mace?

[hoary saddle]

What is the blue bar under my abilities for

[dusty hare]

we finally getting bludgeons????

[carmine remnant]

Yes.

From the agari that uses the mace.

[hushed obsidian]

bear vibes

[carmine remnant]

So we have 12 pacts, and 12 loadout slots.

The respec item's drop rate seems like bottom bin tier drop chance right now.

If that keeps, think of newer players who don't have tons of this resource like we all were given default right now. One loadout per pact, right? Well that limits pacts to be a "certain virtue skew". Discourages experimentation. Discourages swapping.

Sorry, my honest opinion is this is bad. Bad idea. Respeccing shouldn't cost a resource, or revert to the Prisms. Plus prisms gave faction reputation more of a point. Taking prisms away from it leaves them with what, some armor that isn't really worth it other than Orengall, and Ode Tempest? What incentive is there to rank all them up? Buying joineries, that drop like candy anyway?

[slate adder]

So did Stoaic, or whatever it's called. Seems new debris was added, unless I was blind until today

[pure shoal]

so when it talks about joineries, does that mean that we will be able to apply more than one joinery onto a weapon?

[carmine remnant]

No, 1 joinery.

If you apply a new one it wipes the one that was on it.

[pure shoal]

ahhh ok, and joineries are just attunments only right?

[carmine remnant]

Attunements for scaling, yes

[pure shoal]

ok cool thank you

[carmine remnant]

Attunements visually aren't showing up on the new mace, either.

[primal stump]

oh god, i've already haven'T seen a single noble, and now there is sovereign? and then you want to farm that for the right remper? oh god

[carmine remnant]

And we don't know if the temper effects themselves have RNG values, because we don't see the values of them. Like Voltaic, for instance. How MUCH voltaic is being added? Is it's effect also RNG based, based on quality of the weapon? We have no clue.

[wary laurel]

What was today's drop at twitch? Is it still available if i go there tomorrow.

[scenic solar]

3rd Orst, only 1 temper...

[carmine remnant]

I'm at 11 Orsts and still haven't seen one better than Officer

[scenic solar]

just a key, per usual, and no

[wary laurel]

OK thx

[primal stump]

me i got like 30 orst so far (tho i'm farming in the sw, where the mace knights are plenty),a nd yeah, nothing above officer,a and it seem mace knights don'T spawn in ne

[carmine remnant]

They do, I've gotten 3 there so far.

[primal stump]

where?

[carmine remnant]

The big tower in the center of the NE swamp I've found baneretts spawn.

Plus they will spawn sometimes in Sparrow Tales.

[primal stump]

oh, so ou are jsut farming banerette?

[carmine remnant]

That's what the patch notes said drop them. Banneretts that use maces, and the specific agari that is to the east of the spider hole.

[primal stump]

mace knights also drop them

ok, yeah i'll say it, there is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAy tf too much rng with the current mace. you want a sovereign for the base stats, which, is already a massive undertaking, but then you also want the right temper, which you can have up to 6. this looks like what my partner told me when she was talkign about horrid farms in PoE, and this is for one weapon

[carmine remnant]

Unless they implement:

1. A way to manually upgrade the quality tier of the weapon somehow

2. A way to manually edit the tempers on said weapons

This won't work. And that's not solving the eventual inventory space issue, when every weapon is like this. Inventories are gonna fill up QUICK.

My suggestion would be to use the billions of fragments we have for weapons as a resource. Break the fragments down into a, for a Warframe example, kuva like resource. Use THAT resource to manually upgrade the tier, or reroll the tempers.

[glad flume]

whose bright idea was it to have the virtue orb jitter around under your mouse when you move it, while the triangle is pixel specific?

[normal sail]

jk i love u steve

[molten rampart]

any kay?

[primal stump]

it's more that there should jsut not be that many rng layers, especially when we are going to get so many of those weapons in the future. If we can manually create a perfect roll by dumping money in them, then farming them is pointless.

What we need is jsut way tf lower rng, so that farming is actually a good way to do it instead of jsut recrafting

[pure shoal]

so what are these 2 bars, im guessing ones xp whats the other?

[carmine remnant]

I just don't feel this is a good change at all. Like you said, too much RNG. And no way to control it.

I get that Steve said there will be a "way" to control it via crafting in the future but this system cannot launch without that. If it does it's gonna be a mess. The farming/grinding required to get what you want is astronomical.

And that doesn't address the inventory slots problem for when every weapon is like this. Spots are gonna fill ridiculously fast.

[primal stump]

it's a good system, it's just that it's too "deep" for how common it will be.

[queen temple]

Guys, what's that white bar in the bottom part of skills?

[nocturne meadow]

XP for two weapons i assume

[queen temple]

Ohh

[glad flume]

I think its equipped weapon and pact

Since my pact is maxed and the top doesn't change, but when I swap my weapon from my 30 primary to my 26 secondary, the bottom bar changes

[pure shoal]

ohhhh ok that makes far far more sense. i assumed it was for xp but now that i think about it my pact is 30 so makes sense its bar is full

so wheres this new mace?

[carmine remnant]

The agari that uses it, bannerets that use it, and the wandering mace knight mob.

[pure shoal]

alrighty thank you

[hexed spoke]

Steal it from the hobo

[carmine remnant]

The agari is located to the west of the rot area in the center north, or east of the spider hole. In the ruins between those two locations, center north.

[peak gust]

I just read the patch

This virtue system seems even worse

Why is it a consumable. Either leave it as the slider we originally had that we could change at any point or go back to prisms.

[sinful scarab]

feedback channel is that way: #1438224662344761345

[peak gust]

Sorry

[sinful scarab]

i agree with you but its better to put it there instead of being lost here with all conversations going on

[pure shoal]

so these joineries are all rng correct?

[woven robin]

Why are people saying the weapon has too much rng, does it change anything beside the tempers?

[primal stump]

yup, higher grade ahs better stats

[woven robin]

Ohhh what are the grades?

[frosty star]

did I get lucky

[pure shoal]

i got three tempers on mine and holy damage!

[bitter stone]

so why couldnt we have both prisms and the lith system...?

existing prisms as bases, then the customizable options

[frosty star]

haha there's a bug when viewing two different maces.

when switching between the two the damage increases each tine you switch

[kindred fossil]

Why lith can't be a normal system that you just tweak and not a consumable?

[plain isle]

the agari bosses run when you come with that damage

[pure shoal]

wait and that carries over lol? whaaaa

[frosty star]

nah it disappears when you equip it

just a visual bug

[tacit thistle]

just got first tempered weapon

[pure shoal]

ah ok

these are mine

[distant jungle]

Very late but pact and equipped weapon, if nobody else has answered.

[pure shoal]

so im guessing that they are all randoma nd the goal is to get a good stackable or synergistic effect right

[distant jungle]

Yeah, they come in a bunch of tiers that define how much they can roll, though they can still roll under max.

We know that we have Military, Officier, Sovereign and Noble which idk which comes after which, and Moon Steel.

With exceeding rarity and a climbing maximum perk possibility.

[pure shoal]

how to find out teirs

[distant jungle]

It'll be labeled on the weapon.

[distant jungle]

Like this stating Military.

[pure shoal]

ah i got military so im guessing thats the basic version

[distant jungle]

Yes, thus far with 1-3 perks possible.

I don't know the maximum amount of perks possible but I'd assume it's one additional per tier.

[pure shoal]

and the higher the teir the more perks you can get?

[plain isle]

i have four

[pure shoal]

oh snap less go, got to get that grind one

[distant jungle]

So Moon Steel would theoretically have a cap of 7 perks.

That it could roll at, should you get lucky.

Seems a bit bloated to me though.

I'd prefer just 1 perk per tier.

[distant jungle]

Yes, on an Officer tier.

[pure shoal]

oh snap this gonna be cracked! im excited all the same, good the bad, ill figure it out and hopefully have some fun with it. curious about the other weapons and what they will have

[carmine remnant]

This freezing bug when trying to sell something locking up the client with "Please Wait" is getting really annoying considering we have to dump these maces.

[lavish smelt]

So all of the tempers that are currently out?

[distant jungle]

Lmao, yeah, now that you mention it.

Probably started with precisely 7 to have enough for every tier.

[lavish smelt]

So instead of thinking about BiSs you can just have them all lol

[distant jungle]

For now, yes.

[carmine remnant]

The odds of that happening are probably so astronomically low.

[distant jungle]

If you get lucky enough that you drop the highest teir and it rolls with 7 perks.

[pure shoal]

excuse me what?

[distant jungle]

Cus the maximum is a possibility, not a guarantee.

[halcyon thicket]

Wait

[halcyon thicket]

This one spawns too???

I've been playing for hours and haven't seen any ancestor today tf

[lavish smelt]

True

[pure shoal]

oh they are ancestors! holy sheeee

[lavish smelt]

What’s this about a tier?

[carmine remnant]

The quality tiers. Stock, Military, Officer, Noble, Sovreign, Moonsteel

[distant jungle]

There are tiers. Military, Officer, Sovereign and Noble cus I don't know which is after the other, and Moon Steel.

[carmine remnant]

Which also set the maximum amount of possible tempers.

[lavish smelt]

oh those I misunderstood yeah

[distant jungle]

But does not guarantee that maximum amount, yeah.

[carmine remnant]

It's just the possible amount.

[distant jungle]

So Moon Steel can have all 7 currently out, but is not guaranteed to.

[carmine remnant]

You can roll a Sov with less.

Or a Moonsteel, yes.

[lavish smelt]

interesting

[carmine remnant]

Plus the tiers set the base damage of the weapon.

[distant jungle]

Do they? I thought that was confusion about rolled perks affecting listed damage.

Military and Officer had identical base damage at least.

[carmine remnant]

So we have THREE sets of RNG to battle through.

The quality of the drop.

The amount of tempers on it.

What tempers are on it.

[lavish smelt]

Lowkey counterintuitive

[distant jungle]

For better or worse it'll drive the player market, much like rivens but now on everything, at least eventually.

[lavish smelt]

I thought at first the quality tier directly correlated to the amount of tempers on it (instead of max tempers)

[carmine remnant]

And currently the UI does not give us numbers for what said tempers are actually doing themselves.

So we don't know if the tempers strength is set by quality either, technically.

Like Voltaic, for instance. HOW much voltaic damage is it adding, precisely?

[pure shoal]

theres a player market now or not yet?

[distant jungle]

I'd strongly prefer a direct causation of tiers to amount of tempers. Like military having one, officer two, so on, giving Moonsteel 5.

[distant jungle]

Nah, but when trading is added.

[lavish smelt]

Yeah, maybe it’ll make sense when they add a system to add/remove tempers

[carmine remnant]

That would lessen the RNG blow. And solve one problem while Steve's comment about "melting down to put tempers onto something else" would solve the 'what tempers you get' issue. Or give you some amount of control over it.

[pure shoal]

ty

[distant jungle]

Currently there'll always be a cursed amount of RNG from trying to get a Moonsteel with 7 tempers to drop.

[pure shoal]

curse my dual screens forgot i was typing here lol

[carmine remnant]

One thing I think is for sure though, this system in P15 should not launch with missing parts. It needs all of it to function properly. It needs the crafting component, etc.

[lavish smelt]

now I understand why this prelude is a .5 and not its own prelude lol

[distant jungle]

After that you can just fix it if you can change what those tempers are.

In the future when there'll be more tempers to choose from.

[carmine remnant]

It's a pure test of the core mechanic itself.

[lavish smelt]

The visual/sound effects felt really cool to play with

[carmine remnant]

But testing the mechanic in of itself right now feels less than stellar because it's missing components. The crafting part that Steve mentioned, for instance.

[normal sail]

yup they probably gave us Orst to use it as a test mule for community feedback regarding drops and rng rolls

[distant jungle]

And even then we'll have to see what that change is. Can you take one temper and replace one temper? Or are you taking a snapshot of a particular temper combo on a weapon and being able to apply it straight to another, overriding all tempers that it has?

Cus if it's the latter, that barely lessens RNG at all.

[primal stump]

i think honnestly, that we should also have only 3 tiers. rn, even when accounting the possible rerolls from tuvalkane, this is too much rng for what those weapons are supposed to be.

[carmine remnant]

Also there's a visual bug that joineries on the mace are not showing in the UI

At least for me.

The attunement doesn't change even after attaching the joinery.

[lavish smelt]

Yeah I made a post in bugtracking loosely related to this https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1503854007557292183

[sharp cove]

Is there anyone who has gotten Moonsteel on the new mace yet?

[primal stump]

is moonsteel actually a thing?

[sharp cove]

yea I want to know too

[primal stump]

i have been farming for 4 hours and have yet to see a noble, so if there is something above sovereign, this game will have actually become more unhinged than diablo 2

[tender bone]

is it rare to get an orst with 3 tempers

[carmine remnant]

I saw one noble and it had the absolute worst/useless effects on it.

And it only had 2.

[sweet quartz]

Which is stronger: A fully leveled Purity or a fully leveled Needle?

[carmine remnant]

Purity.

[sweet quartz]

Thanks, deciding which one I want to reforge for the time being

[primal stump]

i'll say it again, we should only have 3 tiers. and only a max of 4 tempers. like, these weapons fully maxed, are still supposed to be on par with weapon that will be crafted from fragments

[primal stump]

i guess i will share mine. if i could only exchange that rejoinder for a heavy attack charge speed

[tidal vigil]

What's the timer on unstuck command?

[next heath]

So, I have not been interested in trying out any other combat modes in Soulframe. I have stuck with Archery so far, mainly because i really enjoy ending my opponents from afar. I dreadfully hate CQC, and was wondering which one of you skilled envoys have found a complimentary secondary that works well with the bow?

Please be kind and reply to this message so i can get notified! Id love to hear your guys thoughts.

[normal sail]

i think its like 5 min or so

2 minutes, my b

same as warframe

[tidal vigil]

Thank you!

[past drift]

Oh man really liking a lot of the new stuff this update

Especially the ||dropship attack||. That was a fun surprise

Also the new virtue allotment is good, but agree with the concerns on scarcity of the resource

[elfin blaze]

Are virtue maps saved to loadouts? And do they consume resources if I switch loadouts? I have like 40 switchers but I really don't want to spend more than I have to

[fallen trench]

what exactly are those two bars in the bottom right? i think i missed thsoe in the notes

[carmine remnant]

Top bar is pact xp, bottom bar is equipped/using weapon xp

[fallen trench]

ah i see ty

[carmine remnant]

The bottom bar will swap between secondary and primary based on what you are using

[elfin blaze]

If you want a grace sidearm, daggers are a close quarters option, which while not ideal can be specced to provide invisibility. The other are the flyblades, which are a ranged sidearm with a set and forget heavy attack that orbits you even while using your main weapon

[zenith knoll]

girl are you okay

[elfin blaze]

They've sorta been doing that a lot recently

[normal sail]

she was a fox in a past life, dont judge

[next heath]

Ah yes. I do have the flyblades. I like the heavy attack option which swirls around you. I just recently figured that one out. I haven't really dived very deep in to the combat. Really just figuring things out as I go.

I am curious. Is there a way to up the damage of your arrow/bow shot, even at a charge?

[elfin blaze]

Runes

Pull smites charge your runes, they discharge on a full charged shot for bows

Damage on damage runes is absolutely disgusting at times

In the hard mode, you can also get utility runes that add unique effects per weapon

[next heath]

Ohhh I see. And those spirit animals you acquire? I attach those to open slots on my weapons without really looking what I'm really adding lol

[elfin blaze]

That's where the invis from daggers comes from

[next heath]

There is much more to learn about this game I am noticing. It is very very pretty tho!

[elfin blaze]

The center slot is for runes

[next heath]

Ah gotcha. The larger circle. I do believe I have one rune attached to my bow wich gave me an extra slot for one of the spirit animals. Sorry I don't know the actual term, so my apologies for butchering that part up.

[elfin blaze]

Naw you're good

[next heath]

I did happily upgrade my package to the $30 paragon founder, so it gave me a really awesome bow and a cool outfit.

[hoary saddle]

Is galvanic strike and breakneck on the new mace good? Idk what tempers are a available yet

[elfin blaze]

Ah, a fellow sirin enjoyer

Of the three, sirin is easily my fave

At least from a pure standpoint

If you want to get better at CQC, tethren lets you get away with murder

It has a DMG boost that makes runes look tame

Heals on kills, attack speed buffs, the works

[next heath]

Ohhh. Tethren huh? I'll have to take a look.

I also really enjoy the sneak and stab moments. It's so fun to stealthily sneak up behind an enemy and take them down.

[elfin blaze]

Then you'd really love the cogah dagger rune

The Flitsmoke - Rune https://share.google/GlRcnqtCmIY0b7pUl

This seems like the thing that'd bridge the gap for CQC imho

It is a cogah drop from the spiders tho, which I found fairly annoying to kill

You might fare better with a ranged build tho

[lost ocean]

Hi all, just came back after not playing since preludes 12, trying to wrap my head around the new virtues system. I can't seem to bring up the UI to equip a virtue prism. Any idea?

[elfin blaze]

It's like the previous system now, but shuffling the virtues requires a resource. Your prisms were converted to this resource, and you can get more from agari

[lost ocean]

Oh interesting. Is that the "rebalance" button? I was afraid to click it since it looked like spending a resource haha.

[frosty star]

so how do we find ancestors in the wild?

is it just chance?

[queen temple]

guys where to find neathcap???

[frosty star]

in the neathens dungeon

[tender bone]

bear for me

[zenith knoll]

contender for worst sovereign-grade weapon of all time

[vivid summit]

where do i report a bug?

[smoky crater]

#1438224825113120788

[past drift]

I am very amped for p15 with the weapon changes. Just need the melting down system and its golden

[vivid summit]

thanks!

[hybrid junco]

How is the current state of co-op in this game? Any issues?

[smoky crater]

Mostly in story quests (fables) but outside of that afaik there's nothing crazy

[gusty sky]

2 bugz in 1, two bannerettes and also the mace making them into forever cripples with a backstab that doesn't kill them.

they aren't dead, the one with no health was one hit from dead the other I pulled out the pistol ol' yeller style.

[fickle blade]

I got this icon on the map after taking a scroll from a enemy, what is it?

[frigid agate]

Looks like a Knight Banneret

[fickle blade]

I guess? I thought they used the same icon as the others Bannerets

Yep, it was a knight banneret

It was at the end of a dungeon nearby

[frigid agate]

Neat, It’s great we have more Ode to purge in the map.

[cosmic berry]

Hey guys, good evening. I'm Brazilian, sorry for my English. I wanted to know if anyone has any spare keys they could give me

[keen tulip]

what do these 2 white bars under the pact abilities mean?

[distant jungle]

Top one is your current pact xp, bottom is the same but for your equipped weapon.

[keen tulip]

oh thats sick they added a better way to keep track. Thanks!

[atomic perch]

how do the new virtue system work im confused

[distant jungle]

The same as the original one but now with a consumable you use whenever you adjust it.

Points are assigned freely via a triangle slider.

Like prisms, but you move a point around in the triangle to select whatever ratio you want.

[wispy rock]

Is anyone not able to pick up the mace? I am having trouble pick it up

[atomic perch]

what consumable?

[distant jungle]

Is your inventory full of maces?

I forget the name, it mentions it in the patch notes for 14.5.

Something you can farm from sieges and agari.

So random 'important event' drop.

[digital fog]

i wonder who this is.

[atomic perch]

i got a couple

[distant jungle]

Another player.

[wispy rock]

Nope

[distant jungle]

Then idk, try relogging? If it persists that's a bug report.

[atomic perch]

i feel like it shouldnt cost a subsumable i feel that punishes new players quite a lot

[wispy rock]

I tried that as well as reverfiying my game filies and still nothing

[agile crane]

so will i get ban if i ask for it here? 🙂

yoou know what i mean, kind of dont want to spend the money on a founders pack if i can hold off onit you know XD

[twilit chasm]

I love seeing the random players now 😄 I can see their fashion lol

[wispy rock]

No icon or anything to pick it up

[atomic perch]

like newer players need more testing for a build but cant and they cant easily farm it cause theyre new

[wet tulip]

it punishes everyone xD. it makes build crafting a chore ( and yea newer players suffer more ofc)

[oblique crow]

what am I missing here?

[naive cloud]

Cogah

Every time you drink a cogah potion you get an entry

[oblique crow]

aha ty

[eager rain]

hey.. so i was told for the new weapon, there was a limit thing to the tempers and i was advised to share the one i found.

that is officer quality

[thin mango]

how do i equip a rune?

[dire python]

new update: DAMN BRO WHY THEY DOING BACKFLIPS NOW

[elfin glen]

Are there any Runes for Swords?

[dire python]

which swords

long blades?

[elfin glen]

I assume that's what it is, the Ivor is the sword I'm using

[barren gust]

in your arsenal there should be a "enhancements" button or something the like

either right click or Y when hovering over the weapon

[barren gust]

theres the everflame

[elfin glen]

Is that an RNG drop or is there a specific way to get it?

[barren gust]

yea everflame and mistgale

[barren gust]

rng drops from a few places

took me a good while to get one

mistgale is cogah

[elfin glen]

I have runes for everything but the swords

[barren gust]

you can run fort kearnhold, its drop table is dewelion (long blade), everflame (greatsword), everflame (long blade) and moranite

[elfin glen]

Works for me

[barren gust]

so like, you just need to get lucky 25% of the time ig

[woven robin]

Are there new locations for this update?

[dire python]

they reworked virtues again bro 🥀

[gentle dew]

idk where to ask this but does anyone know why my switch controller doesnt work also my compass just disappeared

[forest forge]

hello the launcher i installed off the website wont even open

[dire python]

ok

[dire python]

I know this sounds crazy, but try launching the MSI again

[forest forge]

i have now it dont do anything

[merry cloud]

I need to understand something... DE mention something about the plans with the pre-crafted weapons? I mean, is it planned to implement to all the weapons or to one type of weapons?

[upbeat cradle]

yep, planned for all weapons, or at least most weapons

[sly escarp]

It will be applied to all weapons from what we can tell

[atomic perch]

i just learned if i sell a amor piece i had bestitched i lose it as a cosmetic piece is this a bug or a feature and if i rebuild it will i get it back to bestich with it?

[dire python]

ok the new bonk stick is fun

only issue is I don't have a thrice-blessed courage joinery for it but I could always detour back to Kith if I need one

[merry cloud]

Im watching the update notes and I fount that the "Craftwork" line in the weapon details, dictates how many tempers the weapon can have... you think that that means they gonna give the possibility to add tempers to weapons that we previously crafted?

All the crafted weapons show as "basic" while the founded weapons said "Military" (at least in spanish translation)

[naive cloud]

Someone just got an Orst with 8 tempers

[lavish smelt]

There are 8 different tempers?

[lavish smelt]

Holy roll

[lavish smelt]

Nvm there are more than 8

[naive cloud]

Yeah there are more than 8

But having 8 at once is absolutely insane

[dire python]

oh boy

how do you get Tempers?

[lavish smelt]

Yes

[lucid dirge]

Is this even real?

[naive cloud]

I have no idea, it was posted in screenshots

[gentle dew]

idk WHAT happened but that caught me off guard sm

[dire python]

wait

I just realized: OH MY GOD WE CAN DO PROPER RUNE-INFUSED CHARGED BOW SHOTS NOW

[atomic perch]

are the magic staffs good or? like do they compete with bows in ranged dmg cause ive never used a staff in soulframe

[dire python]

pretty good

[gentle dew]

idk but i like it so far

[dire python]

they're faster and more reliable if you're not sniping from afar

[atomic perch]

ok

[gentle dew]

is bow any good?

so far ive only used the staff

[dire python]

very

[atomic perch]

i like it quite alot and it hits high dmg on headshot

[dire python]

bow is slower than staff but is one of the more damaging weapons in the game

if you can land headshots

[gentle dew]

ah okay ty

i prefer playing on controller so idk if ill like it but ill def try it later

[humble pecan]

Whats the best xp farm today?

[timid eagle]

I keep hearing about ||a room that sometimes appears in the Glades containing a statue that, when interacted with, results in an endless substantial amount of enemies to fight.|| I haven't experienced it personally, but I imagine that's the best strategy right now.

[naive cloud]

It’s not endless, but it IS good experience

[dusty hare]

I love the new update DE

[naive cloud]

Still no confirmation on if that 8 stacked orst is real

[gentle dew]

how do i get new weapons/armour?

[knotty moon]

Factions, Agari (bosses), Votives, Sieges, The Organ, and there is a pre-crafted armor by solving the Crypt puzzle.

[gentle dew]

Ik what 1 of those is

[final bloom]

what class is better for new players?
archer, melee or mage?
just installed the game

[undone minnow]

Melee is probably the easiest, followed by mage

But its close between the two

[knotty moon]

Faction shop can be accessed at the HQ by talking with the leader and asking "Where do I stand?".

Agari are scattered around, there are maps floating around, and they get marked in Cogah (hard mode potion gained by bringing Vermina to rank 2).

Votives are the missions in the World Trees, which also give rep for the factions (which is the currency).

Sieges are the assailable forts, two near the center of the map and one in the north.

The Organ is a set of three big towers spewing smog, approaching them will start the event.

Crypt is one of the dungeons types.

[atomic perch]

mage has a heal so needing less healing potions also the mage is kinda just op for utility

[gentle dew]

Okay thank you sm

[naive cloud]

Worth noting that oscelda (mage) is broken in multiplayer rn

[atomic perch]

huh?

[undone minnow]

Osceldas heal doesn't work sometimes in coop

[naive cloud]

If you are not the host your 1 and 3 skills break your animations and stop you from attacking, heavy attacking, nightfolding out, blocking or using your other abilities

Only way to fix it is to rejoin or logout

[undone minnow]

Oh different bug then

[final bloom]

is there any way to get this done faster?

[atomic perch]

get a code from someone or buy a founder pack

[knotty moon]

Well, that's a new way of encrypting messages, bonk people over the head when they start to read.

Anyone got a proper screen of this?
Got it from a random Sinecure messenger.

[hybrid idol]

Orlick Chapter 3 😫

[atomic perch]

also i should mention its against the rules to ask for codes in the discord server

[knotty moon]

#gameplay-discussion message

[naive cloud]

It’s against the rules to ask for codes, plenty of ways to get them pretty easy mentioned in the pinned messages in #envoy-gathering

[final bloom]

yea i figured

[atomic perch]

i did kinda tell you like 2 messages above lol

[final bloom]

yea yea just saw

ig i need to wait for the next twitch stream

[atomic perch]

hopefully youll get it soon

[slate adder]

Do the bear and stag bosses at night spawn in Galvinar Wastes too?

[sweet cypress]

just a question. should i focus more questing or what? cos im somewhat lost on what i should be doing

[knotty moon]

Imo, first unlock the map by healing the World Trees.
Then collect the history motes from the locations.

[sweet cypress]

oooo ok ok. so basically get all trees if possible. then get other locations discovered with motes. appreciate

i have kinda been abandoning the mote stuff. so it is important i presume?

[knotty moon]

They do give a lot of Envoy Exp, so it is an easy way to level up some with no real need for combat if you feel underpowered.

[sweet cypress]

ty ty
i will keep that in mind

[carmine cypress]

Hey, has anybody figured out what changed in the Codex? Before the last patch I had 64/65 discovered foes. Now it says 66/68.

[knotty moon]

I'm fairly sure the max was 68 before as well, but one of the Sinecure Officer was deunlocked (most likely the one that was linked to Orengall's banneret), not sure what it is linked to now, didn't try to redo Orengall.

[carmine cypress]

Also, I see in the patch notes that a new Point of Interest was added. Any idea what exactly was added? I don’t see anything new on the map except for an island I was able to swim to, but that’s been known for a while.

[atomic perch]

i just found the capitalist camel in the middle of the woods and got a 23hr boost to all virtues

[vital ember]

anyone recommend on a way to farm the mockery weapons

[knotty moon]

I think they still spawn in Kearnhold's Crypt entrance, kill those and relog.

Otherwise, Glades.

[atomic perch]

is there genuinly anything good about the sirin pact?

[swift hearth]

stealth bonus of doom

[atomic perch]

elaborate please

[knotty moon]

The Courage ability is spammable, and the Grace one is fairly useful to get backstabs.

Plus, pickpocket can make some farms easier.

[atomic perch]

cause i want to like sirin but the more i use it the more i feel orengall just does its job kinda better

[knotty moon]

Matter of taste, personally I can't stand Orengall's Pact but I like Sirin.

All in all every Pact is viable in its own way.

[atomic perch]

oh cause for me orengall has the distraction but it attacked and also orengall buff grace so better scaling for bow also first ability on sirin is 2 free insta kills from finisher

now i might like sirin more if my second ability actually worked and grouped them but every time i use it only like one enemy gets agroed by it

[knotty moon]

Yeah, the Spirit ability has been bugged for a while now.

[atomic perch]

but my biggest problem with sirin is just
Picktrix powder doesnt really do much
trick of the light- distraction but orengall has wolf whihc distract stagger boost your dmg and do dmg
glamour-one free finisher but orengall gets atleast one or if another enemy is close enough 2 finishers
then orengall also has the howl which buffs grace so better for bows
basically i feel sirin is outclassed in every way by a similar ability from orengall

also its passives just dont feel great to me either

pickpocket and wall hacks

[swift hearth]

i mean pacts are personal preference, in the end you just play whatever you like
i'm going with sirin everytime since you can also use glamour as vanish/disengage
when you get Flitsmoke rune from cogah on top, you have an insane stealth build

but this requires you to play a shortblade

[atomic perch]

stealth build would be interesting and id prolly enjoy it that way

[languid hill]

I would like a stealth rework though

also for different weapons to have different stealth kill detection radius

[atomic perch]

you gotta stealth with a polearm

[tame remnant]

What are these red banners?
They also show as upgrade available

[knotty moon]

In the Storage Capacity, how many you have left.
In Upgrade Available, just a marker.

[atomic perch]

theyre technically an upgrade but prolly just DE still figuring things out

[knotty moon]

It's on the Armory menu as well.

[tame remnant]

Anyway to turn it off?
Cause they also show maxed out weapon masteries 😅

[knotty moon]

Not that I noticed.
https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224662344761345

[little anchor]

is the ode tempest zipline broken?

i just keep kicking

[atomic perch]

i sold my forgetfire braes earlier and now i no longer can use the bestitched version of them do you guys know if thats a bug or like when i build them again ill have the bestiched part again

[knotty moon]

Likely a bug since selling armor was just introduced, bestiching unlocks are supposed to be permanent.
https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224825113120788

[atomic perch]

ok just checking cause i submitted a report ticket for if its completely removing my bestiching so i could hopfully be compensated

[dapper sigil]

Why did they introduce rivens

How annoying

Way to kill the fun

Welcome back minmaxing

[swift hearth]

where's the fun when you have everything perfectly in a split second?

[vagrant kayak]

I wouldn't say this is Rivens, these aren't stats on a random roll it's semi-random perks with some future way to improve/fuse/etc...

[little anchor]

anti riven propaganda in the big 2026

[vagrant kayak]

I dislike Rivens in Warframe but this does not say Rivens to me, closer to the different Houses of Railjack weapons and gear

[little anchor]

like u can play everything ever without needing a riven on 99% of weapons

i dont dislike rivens, theyre there for people who like to turbo min max or make funny builds. Most of my arsenal dosent have rivens and i do everything the game has to offer

but yea this is closer to railjack houses or destiny weapon perks

we love a good loot chase, loot feels kinda boring without that randomness

[swift hearth]

these perks are fine for me, they're not game breaking and just give you a little bonus

[gusty sky]

some of those rarer 'little bonus'es add up alot.

[distant jungle]

Especially when the top tier, which is asburdly rare, has 6 or 7 of them.

Something that is possible but not guaranteed.

Thus not only is there the roll for that highest rarity, but a roll for it to give the maximum amount it can.

The highest rarity can simply roll badly.

So the RNG involved is... intense.

On a system that is being applied to the most basic foundation of the vast majority of weapons everyone will use.

Some people are, understandably, a little concerned.

[knotty moon]

Kinda need to see how the fusion thinghy works to really judge imo.

[distant jungle]

I just think 6 tiers of rarity are a bit much, and I'd like each tier to have a set amount.

Like Military always having one temper, Officer always 2, Sovereign always 3, and so forth.

So Moonsteel would have 6, following that, which I still feel is a bit much.

Having 3 or 4 tiers seems more reasonable.

[knotty moon]

I think the idea is not so much as having them already, but having slots available to fill in with other drops.
(which is not possible right now ofc)

[prime marsh]

gosh de the game feels so good rn

the impact of weapon, and the virtue system right now, all good decisions made

[cursive patio]

Hey, I read the patch but can't play for the next few days.
I was reading on liths and was wondering if it was saved on a per-loadout basis?

[knotty moon]

Should be, yes.

[cursive patio]

Alright, that's good to hear!
Thanks

[fathom quail]

What is the best Spirit armor currently?

[graceful plover]

i got some random triangle structure fell from the sky, what are they?

[knotty moon]

Iirc Wazzard's, which should be obtainable from The Organ.

ODST, currently bugged and can be empty.

[livid python]

Pensive armour is the best spirit one

[lunar atlas]

just a random enemy group encounter

[dire python]

since when did the Ode get drop pods

[sharp cloak]

When can i join their team?

They lowkey giving me more and more reasons

[knotty moon]

Since yesterday.

[somber haven]

So it’s a looter game now? With all the perk combinations and stuff to farm? Like destiny 2?

[sharp cloak]

Warframe *

[knotty moon]

No idea how Destiny does things, but they are kinda moving that way.
The idea is that you can transfer the buffs, but the system is not in yet.

[somber haven]

Never played wf but they’re probably the same system

Like Diablo and other stuff

[sharp cloak]

Go play it
Same devs as soulframe

Free

[somber haven]

Tried the tutorial, can’t get used to the camera

[sharp cloak]

Its lowkey the same thing as soulframe

[knotty moon]

Not really.

[somber haven]

The camera in wf just feels weird to me

[visual radish]

Yeahhh it's not really the same, especially if soulframe really settles on this random weapon direction

[sharp cloak]

3rd person
Over the shoulder perspective
With a button to swap left or right
Only difference is warframe has more gun play so ur character looks with you more often

[knotty moon]

It moves differently, especially in combat.

(also, we have a swap button here? 👀 )

[sharp cloak]

V

Idk warframes

I just know its annoying to press

When u didnt mean too

[knotty moon]

Change the binding maybe?

[distant jungle]

The swapping sucks and the perspective needs to be adjusted though.

The fov shifts in combat, including the angle, and my character is constantly directly in the way of my reticle, making it impossible to aim throws.

I have noticed that over the right is far closer to the center than over the left.

You swap shoulders and it just keeps going until your character is a very awkward distance to the right of the screen.

So I think the camera center just got placed a bit too much in one direction, making all that uneven.

[knotty moon]

I think they added an offset really recently (if you were talking about WF), so that should work better now.

[distant jungle]

Nah, SF.

[knotty moon]

Then hopefuly they'll bring the offset here, personally I don't have problems aiming, but you might want to drop that in https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224662344761345.

[visual radish]

On that note
Camera position in warframe is coming in june
They will add a couple of alternate positions

[distant jungle]

Shooting over the right shoulder with a bow is also jank sometimes, as the body of the bow very often drifts into the reticle, completely blocking your center vision.

This happens especially often when aiming at any upward angle.

[knotty moon]

Ah, thought it was in already.

[arctic stone]

anyone know how to open this door

[distant jungle]

There's a room to the right and a room to the left. Both have paintings, each painting has a deer on it.

These deer are facing a direction, connect the dots.

[visual radish]

Finally we will be free to use the largest shoulderpads lol

[distant jungle]

If that is the room that I think it is and your body is hiding the left statue.

[hot flint]

Hi everyone, sorry for the weird English, but I'm writing with a translator.
Yesterday I was trying out the game and encountered a problem. Many times during combat, when I pressed 3 with the mage, I couldn't use my abilities or do anything else; I could only move or jump. To fix it, I would log out and back into the game. Can anyone help me or explain how to fix it? Thanks 😉

[remote wing]

guys anyone has a spare key;

[knotty moon]

Usually happens when getting hit while casting or smiting.
Waiting a while should clear it up.

[waxen haven]

Ngl, with the swap to prisms (which I was alright with) then back to precision-determing virtue values (but with a clunky draggable slider and currency to use said slider)... I really just want the good old virtue number buttons back ;-;

We went from an interesting sidegrade of the old system to a straight-up downgrade

[gusty sky]

join the line of people who don't get the price being tied to it (especially for new players that don't have the resources older players like myself have)

Well, as steep a price

Because RNG is just swell ain't it?

[fathom socket]

why quest not share progress with friends in coop mode?
and have another Q
when i join my friend he invited me, if i use my skills 1 2 3, the skills and my damage stop and even don't take any damage, is this common bug?

[knotty moon]

To be fair you got Loadouts, respec being not a thing to do without thought is not necessarily a bad thing.

[sharp cloak]

Lowkey
They just trying shit
They got a banger set up for release and they know it

[gusty sky]

To be fair, we don't even know if that's intentional for it to work like that, and how is timmy Envoy Rank 1 supposed to somehow know this off rip, and assign their loadouts accordingly?

[waxen haven]

If they kept the old prism system and just had lith be a way to make custom prisms I wouldn't have issue with it tbh

[gusty sky]

thing is, we already had free allocation before prisms, this is a return to the old system (With a different ui, but it's the same system at the core) but with a price attached. Them bringing it to this state feels more akin to a monkey's paw that messes with new players really badly, VS a proper return.

The only new thing they're ''trying" is tying a price to it.

[knotty moon]

We do know it is intentional.
But fair on the info being communicated to new players.

[quartz kestrel]

Agreed. This is a better starting system to the new starter.

[knotty moon]

Also, the system is not really the same as the older free allocation one.
The point of the prisms was the ratios allocation not leaving unassigned points, which this system still achieves.
(also, tbf, they talked about adding a cost to respec since P9)

[gusty sky]

Well, info being communicated to new players, and that the system as is, basically tells them "make one, two and three" if they do know what they're doing, else they have a terrible time trying to actually get envoy rank.

The limited respec with RNG to get the resources (which seems to have horrid drop rates presently, alongside being tied with things that are timelocked between 30 mins for agari to 3 hours for seiges [both not guaranteed to drop]) kinda goes against like, the entire system of how the game wants you to interact with leveling and gaining levels. Unless they want you to swap a whole loadout to level up a stick that can shoot projectile.

Loadout solution is just a worse version of prisms, which like, great, really needed worse prisms, thank you.

[knotty moon]

I seen a drop from Rovgot Ruins final chest too, so not limited to time gated stuff.
No idea about the drop rate though.

[hot flint]

It happens to me every time I click on 3 "the attack with the birds"

[spice elbow]

what are those two bars

[gusty sky]

Like, the whole system feels like a horrid monkey's paw answer to people who wanted to go back, and no, saying "they talked about a cost to respec in the past" doesn't make the present situation any better. Because it to me, makes me think that they don't really understand how their systems actually interact, and what the game itself prioritizes the player to do, which is the exact same thing their other active game does, but they're acting like that isn't the case.

Similar is how I feel about the avex being the "melee bow" as a monkey's paw answer to bow melee return requests, a neutered version of bow melee where it only has the heavy attack and nothing else, instead of a proper return to a system that really, IMO, was only a "melee focus" because the bow function of it sucked, which they've fixed with the changes to the ranged attack that isn't the arrow rain which I've always believed was a mistake.

[knotty moon]

🤔
Uh, most likely best to post it in https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224825113120788, I have not heard of the bug happen so frequently.

[knotty moon]

Exp bars, I believe the top one is the Pact and the bottom is the current Weapon.

[gusty sky]

The request responses for returns to form all seem to be answered by what feels like monkey's paw solutions, intentional or not.

[civic pond]

I just got this

Is this mace good

[hot flint]

ok thanks, I will do it

[languid hill]

pact exp on the top and weapon exp on the bottom. those are still placeholder ui

[spice elbow]

i see

[knotty moon]

I kinda feel this is because we are in essentially an early test version, I do expect more restriction to be put in various systems, and then loosened up if they feel too restrictive.

Slots have gone (and are still going) through the same process.

[civic pond]

Guys is this ready to use wepones only for maces or for all weapons

[languid hill]

only the mace for now

[knotty moon]

For now only Maces, for P15 should be most.

[civic pond]

Is that a good mace above

Looks like I have a permanent electric status

[knotty moon]

Looks like a good combo to me, not sure about all the possibilities.
I did see a Mace drop with 8 modifiers though. 😛

[languid hill]

there's one in the screenshot channel

[spice elbow]

guys i finally got the spear im so hyped

[civic pond]

Good god

[spice elbow]

i used to use the hell out of this thing back in prelude 8

[civic pond]

Can you show the modifiers please

[languid hill]

#1503978420617613312 message

[knotty moon]

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1503978420617613312
As far as I know there are 9 possibilities in total, not sure what is missing from this Mace.

[languid hill]

just decide which temper you want and grind

[waxen haven]

I stumbled into darkframe

Was going to the nightfold before the canned siege complete animation played, now I can freely swap between normal day and gotham city night

[ember meadow]

hey i cant change my virtue anymore since the last update is that intended?

[languid hill]

it's now a slider

[ember meadow]

yeah but i used to have diffrent ones for diffrent builds if i wanna change my setup there is just no way that i need to use the recource

[knotty moon]

You need Virtue Liths to respec now, dropped from Agari, Sieges, and I seen one from Rovgot Ruins as well.

[languid hill]

you can save one per loadout

[ember meadow]

or is it now just defined by this number how strong the virtue is

[waxen haven]

That number is your HP

[ember meadow]

i had diffrent strong virtues before did they merge them? to one

[languid hill]

my virtue presets on my different loadouts were saved

[gusty sky]

The only major change to it that is new unheard of, is literally just tying a cost to a prior method that worked, and unless they're going to change the entirety of progression within the next few preludes (which doesn't seem to be the case, with the main change of p15 being crafting or not, not leveling) it just seems rather heavy handed and again, monkey pawish in a way that punishes newer players to the umpteenth degree, and while I get to sit on a bunch of liths, new players get to ha ha hee hee, suffer.

And it's feeling like a trend with bow melee following a similar thing, of a monkey's paw style implementation, and after several changes over the past 2 years, I have the largest amount of skepticism for how they're executing things.

Even the slots change feels the same in that regard, older players had a comfy start with inventory, so new players needed more, so they give them more inventory... And make it so they cannot use their starting arcs on more slots, and have armor now take up inventory space (which you need to have taken up if you want to have them as transmog)

[ember meadow]

yeah see you got diffrent ones dont u think its just a bug that u cant change them

[glossy jolt]

hey there everyone, is there a clearing mechanic for these outposts ?

cleared meaning making them like this.

[languid hill]

you need to find all the history motes, they look like gold lights

[glossy jolt]

in the outpost itself or around the map ?

[languid hill]

in the outpost

[waxen haven]

Also, dunno why they felt the need to remove right-clicking bringing up the rune/totem menu for weapons... It was so smooth and felt really natural :/

[languid hill]

they don't all spawn at the same time though so you will need to get back to it later

[languid hill]

you can still change them by clicking the rebalance button on your virtue

[scenic solar]

Pact and wielded weapon EXP

[scenic solar]

Done 5 runs of the boss for the Orst-III and no lith yet

[dire python]

Oh I was wondering what those where…

[waxen haven]

I'm curious though, anyone know what this part of the patchnotes could mean?

[ember meadow]

but the name of the virtue that i have equipped is still there also its plural virtues it got to be a bug that u cant change the virtues anymore

[scenic solar]

Do we have a list/map of all the new points of interest?

missed that part, was too irritated by them pointlessly including a rare consumable for respeccing >_>

[languid hill]

they change depending where you spec your virtue

[ember meadow]

whats the max points you can get if u pull it to the full right

[ember meadow]

for me thats the max i can get

[languid hill]

that's with the pact upgrade and the 2 virtues from the story

and MR 16 account

[opal fable]

does the kith of kings not sell verite joineries anymore?

[languid hill]

correction

[ember meadow]

oh i got it now the name changes on the pakt you pick in the bottom

my bad then

[opal fable]

even avakot only sells a twice blessed verite for me for premium currency

[naive cloud]

The factions sell thrice blessed just need to work towards them

[opal fable]

im max rank

[naive cloud]

Then you can just get the rep to buy them?

Maybe I’m
Misunderstanding

[opal fable]

where is the verite one

as in he literally does not have the red joinery for me

[halcyon thicket]

no one does, it's a bug it seems

[high vault]

Hi i am new to this game, also never played warframe. I have finished almost all the quests what is the game about like what is the grind supposed to be. I like grindy games but im not sure what im supposed to be doing

[halcyon thicket]

grind is for the gear

faction tales, bosses, sieges

[opal fable]

does thrice blessed verite even exist? even avakot doesn't sell it for premium currency for me

[naive cloud]

Ah right

https://wiki.avakot.org/Verite#Thrice_Blessed according to this there’s a few sources but the factions only sell twice blessed

[waxen haven]

Wait, once you level the Orst all future drops of it are pre-leveled?

That's neat.

[sinful scarab]

from my understanding: its talking about the new || drop pods || with enemies coming out of them, and the || omen beasts || you can find them around the map and they give you buffs, and seeing other envoys near world trees like you see them in enclaves

[high vault]

How do i find out where does some crafting materials drop from? Is it specific bosses or boxes in certain areas

[waxen haven]

It'd be neat if you could walk up and invite other envoys you see at trees... It'd be a natural sort of LFG system

[sinful scarab]

you can

you can inspect their equipments too

[naive cloud]

I mean apparently the purple one works for all weapons @opal fable

[waxen haven]

Oh, I see

[naive cloud]

Gildaur

[waxen haven]

I guess I've just been unlucky then, haven't really seen other envoys so far

[naive cloud]

So maybe just slap one of those on

[naive cloud]

Yeah I was surprised, they basically ripped the bonfire thing from dark souls 1 lol

But they shadow dropped that part of the update it’s not mentioned in patch notes

There’s a LOT not mentioned in patch notes tbh

[waxen haven]

Not a single soul(frame) in sight

[languid hill]

I already found one soul wearing a garren rood armor near fort kearnhold

[visual radish]

It actually is mentioned
But in flavoured text

"World trees offer glimpses into envoys beyond"

Less than ideal but it is actually mentioned

[waxen haven]

Ngl, Orst feels like its heavy attack should hit multiple times but it doesn't

[naive cloud]

You right lmfao I guess the obscurity of it plus the fact it was so late at night just led me to skip over the meaning of it

Apparently it did before the hotfox

[waxen haven]

H u h

[naive cloud]

Hotfix* and sometimes it still hits twice on bosses like vadagar bear

[distant jungle]

Yeah, it hit twice on release.

Then the first hotfix, fixing unrelated things, broke it.

But that's just a pre-alpha for you.

[waxen haven]

hope they can fix it real quick, because mine dropped with pretty dang good heavy attack perks

[lofty iron]

Hi. What is the meaning of dodge attacks? Is it an attack performed directly after a perfect dodge? With the new update 14.5, there are tempers that grant bonuses to dodge attacks.

[distant jungle]

I believe if you dodge and then immediately attack, something that is not the first hit of your light chain comes out.

Dodges have their own followup attacks, iirc, and it'd affect those.

[knotty moon]

Yes, generally they are called Spectre Strike.

[distant jungle]

Spectre Strikes are specifically the unique animations that happen after a perfect dodge, given you have that skill.

I think dodges also just have standard attacks that are used if you attack right after one.

Even having not perfect dodged through an attack.

Not in-game right now to double check though.

[knotty moon]

Spectre Strike is an unique animation?

[distant jungle]

I thought they all had their own animation, like a pseudo-crit.

[zenith knoll]

three drop pods (one was empty and one contained only a single enemy)

[distant jungle]

Or is it just a dodge attack but stronger?

[knotty moon]

Uh, Spectre Strike is an unique animation.
I never noticed...

[distant jungle]

But you do use a different attack if you chain an attack to your dodge, right?

It's not just a normal light 1.

Or am I remembering that incorrectly.

[vagrant kayak]

I believe dodge and then attack is a different animation depending on how you dodged

[lofty iron]

Okay, thanks for the quick reply. I was a little confused about what exactly a dodge attack is after reading about it in the Tempers.

[vagrant kayak]

Maybe not for all weapons but they generally flow into an attack that makes sense

[limber prism]

THE ODEN HAVE ODSTs???

[knotty moon]

From some quick testing with the Mace, Dodge + Attack is one animation, Spectre Strike is another, normal combo is a different one.

[lofty iron]

So Theres no extra Dodge Attack Key bind or Something?

[vagrant kayak]

No

[waxen haven]

Oden Drop Shock Troopers

Also, huh, discord integration do be a bit quirky

What's the Lotus doing here?

[knotty moon]

Lotus is the internal name for the Engine I believe, it is at the root of a lot of stuff (there is even a Lotus folder in the files).

[fallow arch]

bad update is bad

[waxen haven]

Damn, Lotus is actually a pretty neat name for the engine too

[fallow arch]

walking in nightfold is brokenish, timing on animals charms is laggy wtf

[knotty moon]

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224825113120788

[swift hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-helldivers-2-hellpod-helldive-helldivers-2-hellpod-gif-5849478231444523081

[fallow arch]

I'm not making a post just for that

[swift hearth]

theeeeeen there's no reason to complain

[knotty moon]

Since you are the only one that complained about that (that I seen) it is not a general problem, it would be worth posting it to notify DE that the problem exist.

[finite stone]

Then your feedback will likely not get seen I'm afraid (chat moves fast, things get buried - it's why the threads are there to record important feedback)

[fallow arch]

I'm aware of where to go for that

[fallow arch]

that is not how discussion works

[swift hearth]

gimme another attempt:

• have you tried restarting the game, repair game files or worst case restarting your machine?

[fallow arch]

what I'm currently doing

either the relog or the verify fixed the buggy movement, was very odd like I was stopping and starting my movement even though the key was held

[naive cloud]

If it happens again it might be best to make a bug report for it since it’d be a recurring issue at that point

[fallow arch]

also axe when

[ionic cargo]

can anyone do the shipwreck next to mirifuir? I start the duel swimming. if i jump the swimming stops but i cant draw my weapon

[fallow arch]

ye, I'd need to make a video or some though ugghh

[opal fable]

is there a way to get out of the banneret note ?

it wont go away

[brave epoch]

I had the same bug, only alt + f4 helped

[opal fable]

i got it fixed, coop buddy dragged some enemies into me

[knotty moon]

The teleport shrine in the exit tile makes me happy.

[tender bone]

where do u get Silistavf? and is it better than seathorn?

[knotty moon]

Mirifuir's Siege, fairly easy to get.

[tender bone]

damn ittt the one place i keep dying on lmao

[bitter torrent]

Can anyone help me fix this issue.. I just reset my settings and the visuals changed to something like this. The character position is different on the right side of the screen and is a bit odd when aiming.

[halcyon thicket]

Press v

@bitter torrent

[lament nacelle]

i thought it was like g or h

[halcyon thicket]

H in Warframe

[carmine cypress]

look, old one and new one

[dire python]

I wonder if Orst with good Tempers is better than Purity rn

[bitter torrent]

Oh man thank you so much, it's back to normal..
I'm still learning

[lament nacelle]

i think so

at least imo

I think someone rolled a legendary and put a pic in the wiki and its got like 6 tempers, so it could be a monster

[naive cloud]

According to someone in here they got 8 tempers

[lament nacelle]

hot damn

[opal fable]

what can you do when you try to join someone and you keep getting unable to join objective completed

[naive cloud]

Relogging helps, like both people relog

[dire python]

waiting for when they implement tempers to every other weapon

[opal fable]

rip, we were in coga

[knotty moon]

I stand corrected.

Going to double check what's new with this: #1496418667666341978 message

[waxen haven]

Maaan, they really gotta level-scale sparrow tales better

Going to the top tree in the map and the 3* ones are always lower-level than the other two :/

[lament nacelle]

i wonder what level they are gonna make all the weapons we crafted be

[zenith knoll]

you're missing full force

arguably THE temper you want on the mace

3/10

[naive cloud]

Yeah like I said there was one missing xD

It’s all good tho there’s a wiki page for them now listing all of them which is nice

[zenith knoll]

yea the wiki people are working overtime rn lmao

[naive cloud]

Bless they souuuls xD

[distant jungle]

Yeah I do find it hilarious that the one moonsteel roll we have recorded here is still suboptimal.

[zenith knoll]

the what

[distant jungle]

The best would probably be replacing the throw speed with the increased heavy attack.

[distant jungle]

8 tempers, it's the highest tier.

Military starts at a max of 3.

[zenith knoll]

i thought legendary was the max

[distant jungle]

Then there's Officer, Sovereign, Noble, Legendary, and Moonsteel.

[zenith knoll]

good lord

[distant jungle]

Presumably, the potential maximum increases by 1 each tier.

Though that doesn't stop it from low rolling you.

[opal fable]

and here i was happy with my 2 nobles after like 50 maces

[distant jungle]

That's just the maximum.

[distant jungle]

Moonsteel rarity is rare enough that someone walked into the stream and asked if the first guy who rolled one was in chat.

And on top of that it apparently only had 6 tempers, so it was a low roll.

Which is also hilarious if true.

[naive cloud]

The moonsteel rarity is so rare that the wiki team haven’t even confirmed it exists yet lol

[distant jungle]

Well we have confirmation of 8 tempers, so unless a tier skips one and adds 2 to the max.

[knotty moon]

These are entries that were not there before that I now have complete:
Elite Ode'n Starcaster
Sinecure Elite Soldier (Blue)

This is the new one that I have not unlocked yet:
Sinecure Officer (On second look this look like a Mace wielder)

[distant jungle]

Moonsteel existing at 8 max checks out.

As it'd involve an increase of 1 per tier.

[naive cloud]

Yeah we’re waiting on the guy who posted the 8 tempers to show us the craftwork of it lol

Rn the wiki team labelled it as legendary

[distant jungle]

Well the stream outright mentioned moonsteel as a tier.

[distant jungle]

So I guess we just gotta wait and see.

[carmine cypress]

thank you a lot for the information!

[zenith knoll]

i'm not seeing anything about a moonsteel tier

[opal fable]

i just know steve mentioned it on stream yesterday

[distant jungle]

Envoy Hour 12. 15:45.

[zenith knoll]

highest I'm seeing is legendary, of which moonsteel might be their codename

[distant jungle]

Steve comes in and calls it moonsteel.

Asks if the dude who rolled it is in chat.

Wouldn't make sense to call it by codename when it's in game by another name.

And out as an update people are playing.

[zenith knoll]

I 100% believe you but I personally take anything Steve says with many many grains of salt, ESPECIALLY when it comes to gameplay specifics

[opal fable]

do we know if enemy level matters for the quality on drop?

[distant jungle]

That I would like to know.

[knotty moon]

Let me know if you figure out the new Sinecure Officer.

[lavish smelt]

i dont understand this line in the wiki

[opal fable]

i did a bit of cogah and got 2 noble maces from that, at level ~45

[carmine remnant]

They all share the same mastery level, you do not have to level multiple of them

[opal fable]

but that was out of like 20

[distant jungle]

It snapshots your Orst level when you enter a loading zone.

And every other Orst will drop at that level, keeping your progress.

[lavish smelt]

oh ty all

[zenith knoll]

if your Orst is lvl 30, all future Orsts you loot will be lvl 30

[golden junco]

hello everyone, is there any good farming places for the new mace ?

[opal fable]

i wonder if its worth grinding coga to 100+ to farm better maces

[lament nacelle]

i would find a dungeon with a sinecure boss

then keep running it

since the boss respawns as soon as you leave and re enter from the start again

[golden junco]

thank you very much

[carmine remnant]

In my experience last night, it's not worth the hassle. Didn't seem to do squat for drop quality.

[white lily]

Are the maps in-game filled with other players or no?

[opal fable]

so i can just run around the starting zone and kill all the mace elite patrols for the same chances? if so that kinda sucks

[zenith knoll]

if there is a difference, it's extremely small

[distant jungle]

This is not a traditional mmo no.

You will not find others just wandering around.

[zenith knoll]

then again if Steve is referring to levelcap cogah runs then oof

[white lily]

ok thanks

[vagrant kayak]

A little bit now actually

At World Trees specifically you'll see other Envoy ghosts

[distant jungle]

You see phantoms of other players near world trees, not what I think they were asking.

[naive cloud]

No, this is not an mmo, you can see the ghosts of people when near trees like bonfires in dark souls and you can also see people fully at faction hubs, but it’s mostly single player unless you invite people specifically for the time being

[distant jungle]

I do look forward to more short-form multiplayer.

[white lily]

aahaa ok then thats what i saw. I asked because i randomly found ghost that i could interact with to see their equipment

[tropic charm]

best way to farm mace?

[naive cloud]

Yeah xD

[carmine remnant]

So small that I didn't notice it in 4 hours of Cogah at all. Which seems completely counterintuitive..

[distant jungle]

Murder.

Anything that has that mace can drop it.

Level apparently matters very little to not at all.

If you find a dungeon that spawns that enemy, you can run it repeatedly.

Otherwise hunting patrols or camping Gawth works.

Though the latter is every half hour.

[tropic charm]

is it supposed to be guaranteed drop?

[carmine remnant]

Mace Knight patrols, mace bannerets that random spawn or are sparrow tale bosses, and the agari in the center north ruins to the west of the Rot area all drop the mace. Pwn them when you see them.

[distant jungle]

Nope, just a chance to drop.

[carmine remnant]

No, not all of them drop it 100%.

[knotty moon]

Do note that you have to pick it up, it is not auto looted.

[carmine remnant]

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