gameplay-discussion

[warm violet]

Thanks lot ! 😄

While I have you here... I did this quest, now I can quick-tele, right? But where's the seed hmm

[visual radish]

Near verminia

[warm violet]

like in the real world or in the soulscape place?

[molten spade]

in the nightfold you'll see a potted plant

the one he gives you at the end of the fable

[warm violet]

ahhhhh tyty

[upbeat cradle]

and killing the ||wazzard|| that talks to him like this:

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-man-guy-evil-whisper-gif-16225917572032847521

[warm violet]

Any way to naturally find World trees other than just running around?

(I mean other than using wiki or user-image)

[half talon]

Traversing. You can also zoom in on the map and see the trees on there through the fog, just a bit difficult to see

[warm violet]

I'll see, ty!

[glacial eagle]

so question, is there just not that many armor for spirit attunement?

i think i’ve only seen like 3

[dusky socket]

It is a bit lacking, at least if you're going full Spirit dump. But the Pensive set was added and is now the best full Spirit getup, and it's pretty darn good.

[dense sentinel]

the wazzard robe for full spirit dump has been pretty good in my experience

[dusky socket]

It's only a minor difference from Pensive, but like a -5 in Physical and being that most of the dmg in game is physical, I find that more useful 🤷‍♂️

[dense sentinel]

Right the pensive set is the new best and is also the new best for my courage/spirit setup but I was just saying the wazzard set is another nice set which makes me feel like spirit doesn't really lack good options

[glacial eagle]

thank ya, was working towards getting that set already but i wanted to know if there was others i didn’t know about

[dim wave]

hey since weapons technically cap at 5 virtues, isnt it technically more valuable on 3 star weapons to put a thrice blessed joinery on for the virtue thats only 2 instead of the 3?

[dusky socket]

It's more like there's less options, and Spirit is the weakest of the 3 right now purely because it's 1/2 or 1/4 of the HP, so it feels like Spirit focused armor, especially ones like Wazzard that are only Spirit attuned, should be stronger.

[dusky socket]

Correct, going beyond 5 does nothing so, no need to waste the Thrice Blessed

[dim wave]

interesting. Probably not intended that the minor virtue is the one that people should focus on for weapons like that but at least it increases build variety maybe?

Definitely seems like it skyrockets something like the Marrow's bane with a Thrice blessed in a completely different spec

[dusky socket]

Yeah, it just opens the door for hybridization so you don't have to stat dump for every weapon just to reach attunement cap.

[stray oriole]

HP should really not be tied to Virtues. If the worry is defense/surviability, or even the focus, then we have a whole section in our equipment menu for just that, called "Armour". HP is a fundamental aspect, just like damage, so why relegate it to Virtues as some kind of subclass/archetype element?

Work on armour and leave HP be so you have a proper baseline and a much better scope for your balance, as the only thing differentiating players now is armour and the rest (ability utilisation, skills, weapons, etc...).

When your HP is too low, no amount of armour is going to do enough, as there is now diminishing returns the higher you go, as HP and defense need to strike a balance. As things stand, something like Spirit is never going to be able to survive and if you build it for an ability that uses that Virtue, which, let us state, is focused on defense, it will become contradictory to the Virtue for the sole reason that your HP is just too low for anything else to matter.

[dusky socket]

I mean, I think the balance between HP and armor just hasn't been met, and too few enemies pose varying threats to either or. Some encounters should be more challenging for players with high HP but lower armor, and vice versa. But high HP should be balanced with low armor, and vice versa. Instead of the current mechanic of high HP just reigning king simply because, why have less when you can have more 🤷‍♂️

[swift escarp]

do i have tio unlock fastravel? i have blacksmith already but cant figorue how to fastravel

[stray oriole]

If they keep HP standardised and focus their efforts on making effective armour, it will be much more balanced for their combat encounters. Players do not need to worry about the enemy one shotting them out of the blue because they decided to run the wrong loadout for the mission, due to how many layers of survivability DE has to keep track of, instead, they have a baseline they can fall back to regardless of their armour values.

Example: I run into this high level encounter with whatever I choose to run. I am not immediately met with a roadblock because I decided to become a glass cannon, nor do I feel too overpowered because I stacked both HP and armour/defense without realising. The gap is smaller, but the intention is the same for players, which is choice and knowledge. Now, when I make a mistake and get defeated, I am not left wondering what went wrong as I got one shot, but instead realise, the main bottleneck is that my defense is too low and I was too careless. It is more intuitive than dropping layers of the same tool that exists to achieve similar results, but now with more to keep track of, all while we expect this mythical balance when DE is known for struggling with balance.

Keep it simple. Keep it stupid. Let complexity stem from player choices of how they can push themselves forward without too much punishment, such as the current double-dipping system they are using for both survivability (HP and defenses), and damage (weapon + Rune + Pact abilities stacking).

If they can pull off complexity for balance, then sure, they can go for HP with defense, with damage, with multipliers, etc... but from all this time telling us how difficult it is for them to balance such a mountain of data and oceans of systems, I simply do not see it as a feasible option currently.

[sage monolith]

Why come when trying to place a thrice blessed iridid in the alder it doesn’t turn into a golden attunement but just shows all 5

But when you try and do the same thing to The Starling with grace it becomes a golden pip

[stray oriole]

Does it have multiple Virtues?

[sage monolith]

Nope, just spirit

[stray oriole]

Which one is Iridis?

[sage monolith]

Spirit

I’m adding 3 spirits to a 2 spirit, which should give it a gold pip, but it’s just showing 5 normal pips

[stray oriole]

Could be a visual bug. I was under the impression that if it is a mono-Virtue maxed weapon (5 pips), it turns golden border to tell you you both at max pips and running a mono-Virtue weapon. Either it is a visual bug, or DE is not telling it clearly enough.

[sage monolith]

That’s what I’m saying, it functions as normal for other weapons, so I’m hopeful it’s a bug but if not…. Tf???

[stray oriole]

It is inconsistent, so got to be.

You cannot even say that rarity affects it as both are 2*, so no room for dicussion.

[stray oriole]

By the way, why are your stats so low? Dang!

[sage monolith]

My pact is level 1 duello right now lol

[stray oriole]

I see

[half talon]

worth throwing in #1438224662344761345 if you haven't. things can get lost here

[swift escarp]

tis a simple question!

[hexed field]

finally got the whole map revealed. will I still have to deal with it reverting from time to time?

[spark jackal]

#gameplay-discussion message

[hexed field]

-# Chasing answers and stumbled across this. I have an absolute undying hatred for PVP as a genre because it's populated by the fastest, twitchiest people in existence with no job to properly burn/channel that energy.

-# Of note, a lot of those people tend to have awful personalities outside of the game as well, sometimes leaking out of virtual and into meatspace.

[waxen flower]

Unless it bugs out, no

And/or map expansions of course

[hexed field]

There were whispers of alterations weren't there... I haven't been following the devstreams.

[waxen flower]

Alterations of the map? Yes a lot of things are been changed / have changed in the past few preludes. None of them added new trees or required to unlock old trees again

There is a hidden tree on an island at the top of the map but it's unaccessible unless someone brings you there or with oob exploration and it's literally an empty island. It has been there for a lot of patches now

[hexed field]

Test area go brrrr.

Tis where the devs go when they need a nap.

[waxen flower]

Lol

[waxen flower]

Also remember that as of now we're on "tutorial island" game is going to expand beyond this

[hexed field]

Uhuh. Meaning we'll get to take the fight to the Synod eventually. Likely in some sort of sky base. See hints of that poking through the clouds here and there.

[waxen flower]

Yes! There's concept art that was shown pretty recently about a future "raid" on the skytowers

[hexed field]

Something to look forward to.

Something else I've seen but haven't confirmed. History motes seem to spawn randomly, but an indicator that at least one has spawned is motes appearing for a moment in place of the diamonds when you near a location. I have not been specifically looking for history motes, but the hunt for them begins soon, seeing as I have now revealed my map.

Funny tidbit regarding motes, if you leave your Journal open for long enough motes will appear on the page and fade the text. It's almost as though they're leeching the ink from the page.

[dusky socket]

Giving serious Orokin vibes

[hexed field]

No connection though, right?

[dusky socket]

We've been told this is a separate universe, but you can tell the designers are still heavily leaning into their acquired strengths

And yeah, you're correct about the Motes. 1-2 can spawn per location, per login, and are designated by the floating marks above the location name when you arrive.

[hexed field]

Ostentation also doesn't stray far from the ruling class, as a rule.

This Synod think themselves the rulers of the land. They merely attempt to bend it to their will through force and occupation. They will be resisted, then overcome. Let them fall, as they let us Envoy fall.

[barren chasm]

how do you do the first step?

[wind ether]

fimmd soulbane flower , you will find them in the corrupted areas near kell knight or wazard area pick 2 of them you will have 6 flowers in total

[barren chasm]

the area with the armur enemys ho can tp

?

[regal shadow]

Soulsbane can spawn in any of the white corrupted areas, you can get 1-3 per pickup

[barren chasm]

ok thanks

[regal shadow]

This is correct, yes

[junior python]

has anyone been able to get the world tree on the island just north of taughslane?

[dusky socket]

Used to be able to walk out of the map and around the shore to it, but invisi walls now. Only way there is to have someone who has it unlocked teleport you there, but it's just an empty island an doesn't do anything for you

[atomic perch]

hey where do i get patch leather and river pearls

[cinder minnow]

Is there any way to get to the secret island without taking a taxi?

[copper vine]

Bug report:

• When try to pull smite left over by dead enemies it doesn't add a smite
• on newest siege if push the 2nd boss way into it's spawn area, the doors closes and you cant kill him anymore. Even if you get the keys and complete the siege it will stuck you on the siege completion animation perpetually

[dusky socket]

Read up lol

[dusky socket]

Patch leather: break crates, barrels, baskets. Avakot also often sells 100 at a time.
River Pearls: Search along rivers. Also sometimes drops from bosses and chests

[barren chasm]

what can you do with the duplicate of animal and runes?

[dusky socket]

There's a bug reporting section of the forums

[dusky socket]

Right click them to sell them for harmony

[atomic perch]

where can i find avakot?

[dusky socket]

Sometimes randomly around the map and/or as part of Votives, but he is also always at Oro's Well

[atomic perch]

i really need to unlock more of the map lol

[dusky socket]

Definitely, helps a lot with knowing where to go, and also finding the Motes for all POIs is the biggest source of levelling up your character

[atomic perch]

im really new to soulframe so i know like nothing about it

[dusky socket]

Most of the "magic" is going to be just exploring and learning as you go. Plenty of people always happy to answer questions and there's an unofficial wiki and a really good map online, but being that it's pre-alpha and like...1% of a finished game haha, I always suggest taking it slow and enjoying the journey. Pretty easy to burn through the content and then be bored

[atomic perch]

also my whole map just got fogged out do you have any idea why or is it just a bug

[dusky socket]

It's a bug, will fix itself once you relog, and will probably continue to happen each time you uncover a new World Tree.

[atomic perch]

how fun

[atomic perch]

are there limited pact or weapon slots like how it is in warframe or?

[ornate niche]

Ok so, I need to make sure im not crazy

Is anyone else unable to use the Ode tempest unique kick despite having the perk?

[dusky socket]

There are, yeah

[atomic perch]

how many slots is it?

[dusky socket]

Hmmm, I think Pact is 4 or 5, and weapons are like 10 or 15. It's been awhile since I had just the base amount

[ornate niche]

Like the grapple doesnt happen

[dusky socket]

Works fine for me. Are you outside of melee range? Too close to the enemy and you just get a normal kick

[ornate niche]

Nope

Ill be far and it wont proc maybe ill try and get it to work again

[crude valve]

i think they said p15 will change a bit how slots work

[dusky socket]

There's a range which increases with how many points you have in Gravitate. If it's still giving you problems, try troubleshooting by swapping Pacts back and forth and/or relogging

[ornate niche]

Im relogging

Nope

Still wont activate

Yeah it REFUSES to activate? I even swapped off a staff

And swapped pacts AND re invested points

[tender bone]

Hallo question,

New to the game, interested in getting a founder pack

What does wyld of oscelda look like when dyed? Like which parts gets dyed? Can anybody show me ;w;

[dusky socket]

Well, this is a game, and games can sometimes have bugs. If you've tried everything and are sure that you're using it correctly, then try to get a short video clip of it and post it in https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224825113120788 or on the forums.

[ornate niche]

I put a post up

[vagrant kayak]

I know this passive was bugged at P14 release but thought it was fixed in a recent hotfix, it's possible it's still broken or was re-broken

[dusky socket]

White is the little spot on the forearm

[vagrant kayak]

Armor pieces have 4 color channels which can all be dyed separately, the way colors apply to those was just changed to be more vibrant as well

As R33SE shows the wood parts don't get dyed, same for the armor set IIRC

[ornate niche]

Yeah idk, but its annoying as heck

[tender bone]

Can I see the full armor set dyed?

[ornate niche]

Also

Does the orgenal claw swipe actually do anything?

[tender bone]

Thank you so much!

[crude valve]

in the well

[dusky socket]

Wow, 8/8 shipwreck duels, didn't think it was possible XD

[atomic perch]

i think im starting to hate river peals ive been searching for like 30minutes now and only got 3

[dusky socket]

I find the most in these areas. Resource nodes seem to share spawn points, and also often spawn/respawn after a short time of your character being near an area, so I find it helpful to run a loop of these rivers and make sure to collect every resource on or right by the river. You can also try running the rivers and relogging

[atomic perch]

ok thx a lot

i just mainly hate really tedious grinds like walking around to find one object repetetively

[dusky socket]

This game highly rewards multi-tasking. If you're doing votives, collect resources as you go. If you're doing sieges, break crates and loot weapon racks. If you're doing dungeons, search all the side areas and puzzles for chests. If you're doing bosses, do all the above haha

[atomic perch]

i think i just got super unlucky my fist run of the rivers cause after relogging i already picked up like 6 lol

[wary maple]

1 fast travel token a day in a prelude game .... can we idk just not do that

[vagrant kayak]

It's 1 - 3 seeds every 12 hours not one a day, improvements to the Wevetseed system are also coming in P15

[wary maple]

wow so average 2 a day my bad how ungrateful of me

[dusty kettle]

#envoy-gathering message

[white igloo]

I'm not a fan of this mission being paired with this specific tile

[dusty kettle]

They respawn pretty quickly so you can go back and forth between two rivers

[tepid chasm]

I might have found something pretty big.

I only have data on Purity and Dewelion atm but it seems like their heavy attacks are doing significantly less damage than they should

Dewelion's fully charged heavy attack was doing only 169% damage against crates, Purity was only doing 156%

Shit gets weirder, going from below attunement to max possible scaling on Purity increased the modifier from 156% to 176%

[verbal nebula]

Maybe this is not the kind of game where you fast travel right and left every single minute.

[vagrant kayak]

Traversing the map can become tedious before you've built up a small stockpile of Seeds, once mounts are added I'm sure this will be less of an issue but until then some improvements to the fast travel system would be welcome

[wary maple]

so its a test version of the game yeah ok . sorry for not wanting to play a walking simulator and be drip fed convenience . considering how large the map has become with each update . miss me with that bullshit

[copper vine]

Mora's Beast giving better stats than Wyld Tethren's Braveling on full Mendicant King's armor with Wyld Tethren pact is insane btw

[vagrant kayak]

I made the suggestion a while back to integrate the random dungeon exits into general map travel which I think would help as well https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1443539390432411718

[dusty kettle]

The map is not that large, it’s at most a 15 minute walk from one side to another

[verbal nebula]

So you want to allow people to fast travel as much as they want because it's a beta and then DE ends up with no idea how to balance time, space and rng because every testers fast travel for very objectives and then have a broken game AND a shit show when you remove far travel at release ? Miss me with that bullshit

[dusty kettle]

„it’s a beta” pre-alpha.

[vagrant kayak]

It gives more Courage scaling so that's pretty normal

[wary maple]

did I say that ? or did i just complain about 2 seeds average ???? did I say I need infinite travel

[vagrant kayak]

As mentioned improvements to fast travel are coming if I understood correctly using a seed on a tree will unlock travel to that tree for that session, so if you're going to a specific tree a lot you'd only need 1 seed for that session

[wary maple]

I love how you give any sort of feedback and some random tries to "well actually"

[verbal nebula]

Except this isn't the feedback section, mr.random

[wary maple]

"game play discussion" im discussing gameplay

[vagrant kayak]

This is the gameplay discussion channel, expressing frustration with gameplay systems is appropriate in this channel

[verbal nebula]

And expressing frustration about people refusing to see what Soulframe is about and trying to change it for something it's not is also appropriate.

[wary maple]

its a prelude game

log off random stop replying

[dusty kettle]

🍿

[vagrant kayak]

Envoys I think it's best to agree to disagree here

[wary maple]

I agree

[verbal nebula]

You have so much to gain for doing camps, charming animals, collecting loot and xp on the way from A to B, but narrow minded people want perma fast traval to only spam X, that's disgusting. Tunnel vision here I come.

[vagrant kayak]

I think there's definitely a balance to be found between QoL and keeping the map exploration a core part of the game. It's part of why I think letting us pick dungeon exits would be a good addition to travel.

It would make it easier to plan a route across the island, do a dungeon Votive to get close to a Siege to get close to an Agari etc etc

[wary maple]

again didnt say it wasnt , you are making up random tangents and acting like thats what I said

[vagrant kayak]

Please drop the subject Envoy

[wary maple]

please just stop

[wary maple]

i love this idea

[copper vine]

when is prelude 16

[dusty kettle]

So, what Howl said earlier, there will be improvements made to fast travel, for now we only have 1-3 fast travels per 12 hours @wary maple

[wary maple]

love that and DE never disappoints <3

[vagrant kayak]

Well P15 is next and then it'll be Tennocon so likely sometime in summer

[dusty kettle]

If you don’t want to only walk, pick up some sparrow’s tales on the way from world trees, and make sure the tale’s objectives are somewhat in the same direction to where you’re going

We also expect mounts to come this year

[verbal nebula]

Don't act like the victim here and now when you came insulting that Soulframe is a walking simulator that you are drip fed convenience.

[vagrant kayak]

Drop it

[dusty kettle]

Did you block Howl by any chance or..?

[verbal nebula]

You are right, it's ungrateful of me.

[wary maple]

ajaahahahahaahhahahahahahaha

anything but dropping it 😭

[verbal nebula]

That's funny alright.

[dusty kettle]

Wasn’t there an optimal route made by someone?

[dusty kettle]

Please

[vagrant kayak]

You also drop it

[wary maple]

it made several replies lmao im just posting that and hitting block

[vagrant kayak]

Back when Agari first came out yes, it involved doing the Crypt because it always comes out near Fort Kearnhold, part of why I got the dungeon idea actually

[verbal nebula]

There was a map of exits for the subterranean fast travel of alca if you want to run through a dungeon instead of in the open

[dire python]

Are there any good Courage-based sidearms besides Basker’s Wreath?

[ripe bone]

this is the one for p13, some dungeons moved around a bit like north glades but i think most connections are still intact

[ripe bone]

the fly knives are all pretty fine with courage with a joinery, it is enough to max the damage

[verbal nebula]

I did have some really wonky exits in P14 tbh

Even relogging sometimew went just somewhere elese entirely

[verbal nebula]

I guess using any sidearms and putting a thrice Courage joinerie on it can cap it easily (other stats still somewhat contribute to damage bonus)

[ripe bone]

yeah i had a few weird ones where i tp'd from vella to near the start when the prelude dropped but it seems to return to normal now

[vestal crystal]

Damn what about all the empty ones? Like there are so many exits not used?

[royal field]

is this a bug or intended? When using the magma pact, randomly my spectre sight changes my shortblade to a long sword and disables the use of runes

[vagrant kayak]

Skilter are Flyblades with Grace/Courage scaling; there's also Grinn which is a Short Blade with Grace/Courage, and Clivers which is a split-sword, also Grace/Courage

[ripe bone]

bug, there is a report of it in #1438224825113120788

[ripe bone]

yeah, there are many dungeon exits that are inert at the moment

[verbal nebula]

I think there is much more entries than exits, because exits can connect multiples entries from different dungeons

[royal field]

got you, thank you for clarifying

[vestal crystal]

Very strange, but they also talked about fast travel updates and they might have just set it so the walking distance between entrance and exit is short just temporarily to see what they wanna do about travel times.

[late ether]

🙂‍↔️

[verbal nebula]

I personally didn't find the Wyrm dungeon spamming quite interesting as the exit is mostly right in front of the entry ; enventually, having dungeon content being made harder to get because it's faster to run to isn't a good gameplay loop

[rugged topaz]

do all longswords only differ in stats? no difference in movesets or something?

[verbal nebula]

There is "families" ; like longsword, cleavers, and rapiers

All are longsword in term of Weapon Arts, but they do differ in movesets, and even weapons from the same "families" can have some differents moves in their move set ; different throws/heavyattacks and such

But most longsword are quite similar ; yes.

[rugged topaz]

oh they do huh maybe i wasnt paying attention all along lol

thanks! will keep a look out on other families

i assume the same can be said for the other weapons?

[verbal nebula]

i'd say that'd also be the case for short blade, which are either dual blades, short swords, and daggers

and magick are either staves or wrist bracer

bows are almost all similar, except the avex which doesn't have arrow hail but a stab instead

so yeah... there is "unique" feature in some weapons in each categories, but they still have some dominant traits/moveset and most of them only differ in stats/attunement

Long Blades is the most bloated category of weapon, and we end up with a lot of extremely similar behaving weapons

[vagrant kayak]

The new Silistafv staff weapon does also have a different animation set from other staves

[whole monolith]

any op builds

[balmy hinge]

There's a secret passage behind this right? I'm at the ealy game fort. I killed the archer mini boss and got a key but I don't know where to use it

[vagrant kayak]

You got a grappler, you progress the siege at the top of the one of the castle towers

There is a passage behind that bookcase but it's an exit not an entrance, leaving a dungeon sometimes puts you in the fort

[balmy hinge]

Yeah after wandering around I got it, ty

[balmy hinge]

I see, ty

[leaden scroll]

Has standing cap been increased?

[vagrant kayak]

Indirectly, cap is still 16K AFAIK but there are now items dropped by enemies which you can sell for more standing

[cursive lotus]

man

the joineries going from "some bonus damage" to "meaningful stats" to "stats plus different attunement" to "no stats but still attunement" kind of left us with.....the same meta as we started with

where hitting an enemy with a weapon doesn't actually make them flinch at all and it just kind of bonks them as if it were made of wood

[sleek quartz]

Guys can someone recommend a youtube video that explains what is going on cuz I have been playing for a week now but I am lost with the story tasks and almost everything 😅

[vagrant kayak]

I understand that perception but that's statistically not true. The bonus damage from Joineries is now granted to the weapons as they level, and since scaling is now increased from adding 1 pip to adding up to 3 we are getting more damage overall

I do think the current state of Joineries needs more work but weapons have increased in power in the long run

[ripe bone]

the main thing this update removed is lifesteal to be honest

damage is indeed more consistently up

[cursive lotus]

eh, the additional damage is not really that great when bosses just kind of soak hits without reacting to stagger at all

[ripe bone]

and you can paint the weapons in whatever virtue color you like and probably max the attunement

[cursive lotus]

the systems all work at midlevel but they stop working at cogah scaling because the balancing reflected what we had before

[vagrant kayak]

True but that's a result of the boss HP scaling being increased to compensate for Runes, which I do think have missed the mark

For normal enemies the balance is good at the moment

[cursive lotus]

the runes don't actually do enough additional damage to overcome that

i mean, it wasn't the normal enemies we were struggling with lol

[ripe bone]

if you count dealing thousands of damage when buffed as weak idk what to tell you

[vagrant kayak]

I agree, the current balance means the best way to fight bosses is to farm Rune charges, never use them in normal combat, and dump 4 (or 8) into a boss

[cursive lotus]

yeah but then the hit does like a very small bit of a high level boss hp bar

[vagrant kayak]

That I don't agree with, a hit with an Everflame will consistently do a good chunk of damage

[cursive lotus]

and you only get like, maybe two of them during a boss fight.

[vagrant kayak]

Depending on weapon and Cogah of course

[cursive lotus]

yes cogah. if it was normal boss scaling i can just beat them to death under a minute both before and after

no runes necessary

[vagrant kayak]

Yes Runes only coming from Smite and enemies only being Smiteable once compounds the problem, instead of a back and forth you dump it all at the start since there's no way (outside of Garren's Healheart) to gain more Rune charges

[cursive lotus]

except maybe chair lord because he had high armor to compensate for bad movement

i haven't visited him in a while

[ripe bone]

#1483485139790201022 shameless plug to this thread i may have made

[cursive lotus]

wonder if swapping to treefell will help, dunno how much armor piercing will change it

[vagrant kayak]

Now that I'm done with the journal entry for the Rovgut Ruins I should start doing Cogah runs

[cursive lotus]

i'm also noticing some runes charge when pulling smites from corpses and some don't which is silly

i can't actually get smite to work with flyblades for some reason

er, not smite i mean runes

[vagrant kayak]

Yes I've noticed the Smites from corpses don't enable Sympathy or Rune charges

[ripe bone]

there are a few bug reports on both, hopefully it will be fixed soon

[cursive lotus]

while the damage is higher, not having any of the support stats that joineries provided is kind of rough

hard relying on pacts for CC means that you don't have any more soft CC for crowd work

[ripe bone]

i dont remember joineries providing stagger, but i do miss the block increase and lifesteal it gave

although it does feel like the player is squishier which is not super bad, just different

[cursive lotus]

or maybe it was the totem changes?

[ripe bone]

there are totems that grant stagger bonuses, but imo they are too weak

[cursive lotus]

it seems like a bunch of them were changed from "does something basic and useful" to "really odd niche case"

[vagrant kayak]

All the basic useful ones are still there there's just 2 of each now with the second usually being a bit more niche

[cursive lotus]

is thrice blessed useful for anything that already had three base pips, since the cap is five anyway

[vagrant kayak]

No

Well

Not if it's the same Virtue, you could potentially add 3 scaling in a different one

[cursive lotus]

i guess it would be more helpful if some these were split virtues

[vagrant kayak]

I'd prefer if Joineries were unified, the weapon type restriction no longer makes much sense imo. There's no functional difference between a Verite Blessed and a Quicksilver Blessed. Just have Verite scale Courage, Quicksilver Spirit and Feybalt Grace

[vestal crystal]

Yeah that one is really confusing

[vagrant kayak]

Opens the door to have Gildaur be Grace/Courage and then you can add 2 more for the other splits

[vestal crystal]

Like where did the pro’s and cons go from the different joineries?

[vagrant kayak]

The damage wasintegrated into the weapon as you level it, charge rate on bows was also increased with the change to one of the combat nodes to no longer require a perfect dodge

[vestal crystal]

Some of the older joineries perchance? 👀

[vagrant kayak]

The other ones will likely return in future

[cursive lotus]

are all the runes also in the chest pool

[vagrant kayak]

Just the basic ones

[dire helm]

3 more. 4 total.
Need me a paragon split for my paragon. 😉

[vestal kite]

is the quest a grand fable bugged? I got a rune but unable to equip it or am i missing out something

[vagrant kayak]

You equip Runes in your arsenal, right click your weapon and insert it in the middle slot

Runes are weapon type specific so make sure the Rune you got matches the weapon youre using, long blade, bow, etc...

[vestal kite]

ahhh okay thats how you do it thanks!

[cursive lotus]

i hit a strange bug using an organ zipline causing it to yeet me off the rope lol

wazzard's still a glass cannon

[normal storm]

hey a noob question, i just finished to craft my 1 ° weapon( Juniper) and i'm done with Orlick quest, what can i do now? Just lv up and craft gear? Is there any "guild" or party sistem to play togher ? Coz in solo seems a lot boring

[regal shadow]

There's a few more quests you can find exploring, but mostly it's just farming weapons, armors and pacts and leveling factions

[vagrant kayak]

There's no matchmaking (yet) but you can invite and be invited by other players, the Recruiting chat in-game works for this, or #looking-for-group here.

There's a few Fables you don't get by following Orlick's progression as well, namely Shewolf Snared and The Waste Bear, as well as the Duelo, the latest Fable

And a bunch of mini-quests have been added as well, which you can start by finding them at the various World Trees

[naive cloud]

I love that xD I was doing the third siege yesterday and I used my bird flock attack from Oscelda then my heavy attack with a staff and it yeeted me legit half the map away I cannot replicate it xD

[carmine cypress]

Noob question, I am a little bit confused with reforge. For example I have https://wiki.avakot.org/Odiac how should I understand what should I increases? By logic Spirit but in general where to get this information? Best reforge to add 3 spirit, right?

[vagrant kayak]

Weapon scaling is quite obfuscated right now, basically each "pip" of a Virtue will get you 0.5 damage per Virtue point on that weapon

So a weapon with 2 pips in Spirit will get +10 damage if you have 10 Spirit, a weapon with 4 pips will get +20 damage if you have 10 Spirit

Scaling caps out at 5 pips. Weapons also have a damage cap that you can't bypass.

Deciding how best to increase scaling depends on your plans for builds, you can add 3 pips of Spirit scaling if you're going to use Odiac on mostly Spirit builds, or instead add Courage scaling if you want to use it on a tankier Courage build, or go for adding Grace scaling to use it on a Grace build, etc...

[carmine cypress]

Ah, I got it! Thanx a lot!

[topaz dock]

Enjoyed the game for a few hours over the weekend. Thanks for the code!!! My only complaint so far is that what I feel should be a tutorial process is obscure as hell and never clearly defined? How do I put a rune in? Okay, figured it out myself. Okay, now how do I use a rune in combat? Spectral Sight + Heavy Attack? DOes the game ever tell me this? Why do I have to alt tab out of the game to play the game?

[cursive lotus]

wonder how you're expected to smite the flying plants lol

as for there not being any onboarding process, that's mainly because the game is continuously changing in development and is pretty rough. this is typical of this phase of development until the mechanics are decided upon

warframe was very much the same at this point during the beta

[topaz dock]

Yeah, I kinda figured as much. I guess 13 years of overlapping systems built on Warframe had me a little gun shy, lol.

[naive cloud]

I was thinking the same thing, they seem to have like 1hp xD

[balmy hinge]

Where do I start the shewolf snared fable?

[steep cave]

Current progress will reset once the game releases?

[smoky crater]

plan is to not have any resets.

[smoky crater]

look for red balloons at night somewhere around the starting area. (not the ones above the forts)

[steep cave]

Thanks

[ruby nest]

Please don't post that kind of thing on Soulframe DE.

[balmy hinge]

Finally found it, mine was at daytime, so It doesn't necessarily needs to be a night I guess

[smoky crater]

could also be it spawned while it was night but you only ran into it during the day or just after night i guess?
way back when it got first added it did have to be night and i haven't heard of them removing that part sooooo

[vagrant kayak]

Game definitely needs more guidance (the most recent update actually added quite a bit with Orlick's new Fable) but it being pre-alpha does make this a bit harder.

The Spectral Sight + Heavy keybind for Rune attacks for example was literally added last week, the Rune and Totem interface and system is apparently changing in P15 as well. I imagine the team doesn't want to spend too many resources making tutorials for systems they know are about to be changed anyway

[halcyon thicket]

thing is, unless u nail the inputs everytime, simple sprints will still cover more distance

[topaz dock]

Oh, absolutely. I didn't mean to be "that guy", lol. It doesn't make any sense to spend time and resources on a tutorial that would be changing significantly as production continues.

[supple trench]

Hey guys, I am downloading, and I find out that I am at -MBs?

And the numbers are increasing, and the download bar is full.

Is this a glitch?

[brazen sparrow]

No, there's just something playing silly buggers between you and the content delivery system. The 'fix' is to disable "Aggressive Download" or "Bulk Download" in the launcher options, or some combination of the two.

Restart the launcher after flipping those settings.

[supple trench]

Oh thank you, I haven't restart yet but it became like this, is this normal?

[brazen sparrow]

This comes up from time to time. It might be, the amount of remaining download size is a fraction of the full download... so I will go with yes... When it's done, just have it verify your download, just to be sure

[supple trench]

Ahhhhhh thank you man for clearing the confusion

Is the Bow weak? I saw on online forums that the Sword and Magic received a lot of love while the Bow received the Middle Child treatment

[ionic mesa]

where to find a Bisculam? I'm trying to farm steelsinger's stithywicks

[brazen sparrow]

One pretty reliably spawns just south of Comber's Leve else it's on Votives.

[dusky socket]

There is an infinitely repeatable Bisulcam at the end of the Shewolf Snared fable, just destroy it, collect loot, don't talk to wolf, relog and you start right at that stage again.

Otherwise there's Votives that sometimes give Bisulcam steps.

[ionic mesa]

Thank you

[dusky socket]

Think the stacking bleed from Duelo on magick attacks is a bug? Cuz if so, sad day. If not...hot diggity dog

[digital turret]

I made her get off the ship

xD

[dusky socket]

Lol, now that's a new one

[verbal nebula]

Bows are by far the strongest weapons : they have an easy way to deal headshot, have an easy way to scale headshot damage multipliers as Bows are Grace (Agility) weapons, and they are at range so extremely safe (and Grace (Agility) is only the second best stat concerning HP pool, after Courage (Strength) and before Spirit (Intelligence) ; and do scale damage bonus from Attunement easier than any other Virtues), and they can also greatly benefit from stealth multipliers on top of that - you just need a bit of skill to deal with curves and travel time, which is quite easy with Keyboard and Mouse, and might be more of a struggle with Controllers ;

So yeah, bows are getting the "middle child treatment" as you say... because they are already OP ; while Melee requires more balancing between damage dealt and damage taken, and all the corresponding mechanics of block, parry, riposte, stagger, dodge, and so on ; and Magick weapons are... hu... underwhelming to say the least.

[digital turret]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnuKMiOed74

[lucid adder]

Has there anything been said about different weapon types? Like Maces for blunt damage and some such?

[dusky socket]

Check https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1153116764633321534

[knotty moon]

Yes.
Technically Rook already does Blunt damage, but it is currently coded the same as Slash.

[lucid adder]

oh damn xd True, ty!

[supple trench]

OHHHHHHH, I see, wait what? Magic weapons are underwhelming?

I am a Mage through and through, am considering picking Bow as my starting class purely because the friend I'm going to play with started as Mage, and that I can buy Mage Equipment at Level 3

Also uh, been stuck at this loading screen for 3 times. Is this another bug?

[knotty moon]

You don't have level requirements, just need to find the framgents, the blacksmith, and the mats.

(though the blacksmith might have a rank restriction, which can be raised by crafting more stuff)

[supple trench]

Oh, in that case if I gathered enough equipment, I can craft anytime

[knotty moon]

Yes.

[lucid adder]

Yea true, now that you mention it.

[brazen sparrow]

should be here for maybe 10 - 20 seconds typically...

[supple trench]

First time was stuck for 5 minutes or so, second is like 1 minute, after restarting computer, now is 2 minute mark

[brazen sparrow]

Could be shader prep malarky.. Not 100%

[dusky socket]

Try going to the launcher and Optimizing/Verifying your Download Cache (little gear top right.)

[knotty moon]

Try optimizing and/or verifying the files in the launcher.

[digital turret]

https://youtu.be/b3rKeWTosnM

[supple trench]

Gotcha, will do

[violet slate]

Do invites by clicking on peoples names work for anyone else? I found out the only way I could do that was by manually entering their name

[supple trench]

Got it, Optimizing and then verifying

[dusky socket]

Man, I should really stop afking in the open world during Cogah lol

[dusky socket]

If you click the + in menu first, just once and exit, then click name in chat to invite it should work

[ocean scaffold]

Sorry to bother!

Where is this guy on the map?

[knotty moon]

Another thing you could try, if that fails, is to reset the shader cache from the GPU software.

[alpine mantle]

Am I wrong in saying armor is mostly cosmetic when it comes to differences between them?

[knotty moon]

Map is old, but should be largely be correct. (Reaper has been shifted a bit though)

[midnight tundra]

guys how do i do this quest

[supple trench]

After optimizing, Verifying brought me to download 6GB more of stuff.

[knotty moon]

Yeah, sounds like some files were corrupted then.

[knotty moon]

Talking to Orlick in the Nightfold doesn't work?

[supple trench]

Oh, corrupted files, no wonder

[ocean scaffold]

So am I going to the "Reaper" for Agari?

[knotty moon]

Any of those should work (Agari is the in-game term for a type of boss).
Reaper's dungeon is currently a bit southeast of what that map shows if you are going for him.

[verbal nebula]

Yeah, Magick weapons are underwhelming.

So you can play Courage with a lot of HP, and big weapons hitting hard, and really strong armor.

Or you can play Grace with decent HP, good weapons like sword, daggers and bow, and increased headshot damage and stealth, and decent (if not the best) armors.

Or you can play Spirit with the lowest amount of HP, the weakest armor, the weakest ranged weapons that can't even do headshot (but have some situational high attack speed and punchthrough ; which respectively get mitigated by enemy armor scaling and enemy ability to spread around), and little to no bonus from your Virtue (shadowed by Smite innate effects).

But don't get me wrong, playing a Mage is cool for the visual and gameplay style it offers. It does looks and feels nice. It's not that strong yet though ; way too many downside and little to no upside ; which will certainly change in the future with a new Spirit armor set (3 stars) and probably some balance to Virtue, weapons, and Arcanics.

[ocean scaffold]

ohhhh lol bro thanks

[dusky socket]

Highly skilled, only like 20 bleed stacks lol

[violet slate]

Might have to give that a try. Still felt bad for making people in recruitment chat think I was lying to them xd

[lucid adder]

Is someone else struggling with reputation quests breaking recently?

[supple trench]

Ahhhh, I'll start as Archer, and then slowly transition into Mage then.

Mages don't even have better utilities like teleport or something?

Which lelads me to the next question. Warframes go with frames, abilities and all tied to the frame.

Soulframe goes with Weapons and Armor? As in skills and spells are tied to the Weapons and Armor?

[lucid adder]

No, there are pacts which are the same as frames, 3 abilities each

[knotty moon]

The main draw of speccing into Spirit is the reduced cooldown on Arcanics, so it can be fairly strong depending on your Pact.

[steep cave]

Can you play with a controller rather than M&K?

[knotty moon]

Yes, controller layout is even rebindable.

[dusky socket]

I mean, keep in mind that's also just one person's opinion. Personally I find mage just as good as the others, you just need to know how to use it. True, bows can cheese 99% of the content in game with stealthy headshot multipliers, but a lot of people find that extremely boring. Think playing Skyrim and just crouching around everywhere and one shotting dragons from 5 miles away.

Overall, the most rewarding gameplay with the most "punch factor" is Melee because it has the most variables and, as Dwqrf said, has received the most attention. But again, there's a lot more of personal preference and enjoyment in it, than just maximum damage numbers.

[verbal nebula]

So, the issue with switching builds during your beginner's adventure will be mainly to find new "Prism"; which are like a piece of equipment making your character's stats more leaning toward Courage/Grace/Spirit (so Strength/Agility/Intelligence) ; and without the corresponding Prism, it's kinda of hard to make a good switch without suffering from extreme loss of defense/damage (unless you keep killing level 1 and call it a day).

You have to switch and farm Factions' standings (Enclaves : NPCs towns) to buy new Prism. Once you have a few Prisms, you can switch them around as much as you want to adapt to the gear you equip. But if you start "Archer", you will have a Prism leaning toward those kind of weapons and armors.

[knotty moon]

Basic Prims can be obtained without even switching as far as I know, you just need to talk to the Faction leader.
Granted, basic Prisms are not great, but at least it is some flexibility to start with.

[verbal nebula]

My knowledge is outdated ; you don't need a Sacred Shimmer to switch anymore ?

[knotty moon]

You do, but that's to craft the Talisman.
You don't need that to get the Prims, as far as I'm told.

[knotty moon]

You might want to post all these in https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224825113120788, if you didn't do already.

[digital turret]

I've already done that.

[supple trench]

Gotcha, I do find myself liking sniping, so it sounded fun to me even though I have been Mage for every rpg ever.

[dusky socket]

Then you'll have a lot of fun, especially because you can do like 80% of the content with your starter gear XD

[supple trench]

Oh shoot, I should start as Mage then .....

[supple trench]

Is the faction farming like Warframe? With daily hard limits?

[dusky socket]

16k daily, but enemies drop items you can sell for standing and that doesn't count towards cap, and is unlimited

[ocean scaffold]

Can I do anything to these boxes?

[verbal nebula]

I've heard people can stand next to it, go into the nightfold and back, and i gives some loot... haven't tried it myself

[oblique crow]

how do I pick it up?

[smoky crater]

gotta equip the Duelo Ribbon

[oblique crow]

aha

[ocean scaffold]

I ported to nightfold and they disappeared wtf lol

[supple trench]

Ahhhhh, so in the long run, it doesn't matter which class we start at?

Just that it's difficult to switch immediately, right? And may take several weeks to farm Prisms and Standings to level up the Mage stat

[verbal nebula]

Like Warframe, the beginning is harder than the end.

[eager sun]

Can someone tell me the best way to farm orengall curiass

[supple trench]

Gotcha, so we get everyone at end game, and all discussions are mainly for a more enjoyable beginning

[dusky socket]

Correct, you can swap gear/Pacts freely at any time, even make loadouts like in Warframe. The main thing is the time it takes to farm gear and faction standing, and then the timegate of that gear crafting. But realistically you can use all weapon types with all Pacts, and vice versa.

[supple trench]

Understood, then starting as Archer is omay

[dusky socket]

100%

[knotty moon]

Depending on how much you play ofc, but weeks is generally far more than necessary.

[eager sun]

Can someone tell me the best way to farm orengall curiass? Please

[verbal nebula]

It's all okay. Just have fun, you will find ways to improve your character and the synergies between stats, gear, and weapon, one way or another for a smoother experience.

[supple trench]

Is skills and spells ties to weapons and armor?

[dusky socket]

The main universal knowledge things are:

• Complete the map, you get to MR 13 with that and that means your stats (virtues) go up.
• Loot and harvest everything. You're gonna need a lot of materials, so even while running from A to B, collect collect collect.
• Ask/lookup what the BiS armor is for your current setup, and work towards getting that. Most armor sets have repeatable farming methods, and the sooner you get better armor, the sooner you'll feel like you can complete harder content. (Weapons themselves do have "better" versions but even the starter ones will deal enough damage for most content.)

[median glen]

guys i just finished the quest where u save the pups and i got to pick a pup in the end but what does that do is it like a companion or smth ?

[knotty moon]

Look in the Nightfold, either your tent, Tuvalkane's or Orlick's places.

[median glen]

ty

[supple trench]

Gotcha, I'll roll with this. Thank you for the guidelines

[median glen]

its not anywhere ?

[knotty moon]

For now, just the Nightfold.
Was planed to ||grow into a mount||, but unsure if DE is still going that way.

[median glen]

they better lwk

[ocean scaffold]

Yeah these glow when I get insight and I dont know why.

[smoky crater]

i'd guess just a side effect of them being included as a "objective" of sorts in the Hark, The Collector votive

[knotty moon]

Bug, they use the same object entity as the Hark, The Collector's ones.
Going to the nightfold and exiting usually pops them and leave the loot they usually have at the end of the Operation.

[ocean scaffold]

Then they disappear "burn up" in bluwe flames wen goingt onightfold.

[verbal nebula]

So ; a Pact (Warframe) is going to give you 3 Spells (Arcanics) ; and the first spell somewhat scale with Courage, the second spell somewhat scale with Spirit, and the third spell somewhat scale with Grace.

But Courage/Spirit/Grace (Virtues) also grant a small passive ; Courage grants a lot of HP, Grace grant better headshot/stealth damage, and Spirit grants a small %cooldown reduction ; all based on the amount of point you have on each Virtue (based on your Prism, so). And some weapon and armor ask you to have X amount of Y Virtue to start getting bonus defense/damage and perform statistically better.

But there is a really important in-game mechanic called SMITE, which allow you to steal the soul of an enemy ; and it eventually does damage, heals you, and also reduce the cooldown of one spell (and later, grant you charges to use Runes, powerful weapon attacks). Smiting is used with all builds you play, it's Soulframe's bread and butter.

The issue is that Smite reduces cooldown by an extreme fashion ; so Spirit's passive granting you a small %cooldown reduction is kinda worthless. So sometimes, as stated above, you'd better scale Courage or Grace to deal great damage with the corresponding Courage or Grace spell, and rely on Smite to reduce its cooldown ; So Spirit isn't really a mandatory picked Virtue for the Mage archetype (unless you want to use cloth armor and a wand)

[ocean scaffold]

So far I have killed 2 bosses and have not been able to complete the objective "Kill Agari".

I am missing something...

[knotty moon]

Tried killing the Banneret at the end of any dungeon?

[supple trench]

As expected from DE, the system is complicated at best, convoluted at worst. I was having the impression that I scale Spirit stat for Mage, Courage for Warrior and Grace for Archer.

But no, every class has skills that scales with everything eh

[knotty moon]

Well, largely that is correct, those are the stats you want for that archetype.

[supple trench]

So a Mage will have 1 skill that scales off Courage too, and that is the main damaging spell of that staff?

[knotty moon]

If playing with a caster heavy build an Hybrid Prims is probably the best choice to scale two Arcanics.
Probably a Spirit/Grace or Spirit/Courage to also get the cd reduction.

But those are kinda meant for later on (Faction rank 4).

[supple trench]

Ooh, those are nuances for when I get there I guess, like the Warframe Mods

[verbal nebula]

Well, if you play a Pact with only one damaging spell which is either Courage or Grace, and you are wholly invested into Spirit, your damaging spell won't be improved except from the ability to play it more often thanks to Spirit's passive cooldown reduction

[knotty moon]

Do note that the Arcanics are still quite useful when not scaled, so don't feel like you have to scale a Virtue to use the related Arcanic.

[supple trench]

OH, so regardless, Spirit is still a direct upgrade towards dps output, you don't hit harder but you fire more spells

[verbal nebula]

Yeah. But the CD of your spell are often quite long, and combat (pack of enemies or boss) are somewhat quite short, so depending on the enemy level and your skill, you most often only play a single rotation of spells within the same fight ; and run between a fight to another while it cools down (-But that's more a personal take on this issue, it may widly differ from one player/pact to another)

But yeah, anyways, Soulframe isn't that much a "spell casting/spam" kind of game, its much more based on weapons, and Utility spells

We don't have Mana, but we have long CD, so you play a few spell, but they do a little bit of stuff (generally)

[dire python]

Got my hands on the Needleseye, bit slow for my taste but it’s so WEIGHTY. Greatswords are good right?

Also, should I farm for Bromius or Garren Rood?

[balmy hinge]

Sparrow tales are faction tales right, then why are mine not showing up in the map, are they the ones you get from the world trees?

[verbal nebula]

Both, both is good.

[knotty moon]

Yes, the Votives.

[verbal nebula]

Yes, now they are started at World Trees, and after finishing one you will have a corresponding NPC spawn really close by to chain it without going to another tree

[balmy hinge]

I see, ty!

[dire python]

Bet.

The funny thing is because of weapon ranks, my Sollo currently deals more damage than my Needleseye lol

I’m also looking to get Sirin and/or Oscelda after I rank up Enclave a bit more

Also random question for anyone who plays the funny Bow Tethren: what prism and weapons do you use?

[supple trench]

Ahhhhhhhhhhh, I have a better idea now.

[supple trench]

This is what I love, Warframe eventually become repeating looting runs for more efficient looting runs eventually

[balmy hinge]

Are all of them worth doing or just the 3* ones are the best?

[verbal nebula]

Well, that's debatable. Generally 1stars have a single objective, 2stars have two, and 3stars have three ; so it feels like balanced in term of time spent for the standing reward it grants ; but you have to know there is some specific drop in 2stars and 3stars as rewards, so I'd suggest ignoring the 1star overall and just go for 2/3 stars.

For me, I just prefer the 3stars, because they are a better journey, and often end with killing a boss, be it agaris, stag/bear, or some dungeons banneret, so you may have some extra loot you might not even know about or not be actively looking for, while also travelling a bit more in the map.

[balmy hinge]

Alright, that's very good info, ty very much!

Damn, I completed the faction tale now my screen is black lmao

[knotty moon]

-# Remove your sunglasses please.

[normal sail]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-sunglasses-double-sunglasses-look-remove-shades-gif-17848793

[potent radish]

Does Orengall pact 3rd ability howl boost courage or grace?

[verbal nebula]

Grace

(also heals your Wolves)

[smoky crater]

and boosts your smite chance iirc 👀

[verbal zenith]

Hopefully we see a Feybalt patch today?

[potent radish]

Is it planned in the future for the ability to boost courage? Or will the description eventually be changed to fit the ability?

[knotty moon]

It used to boost courage, many abilities got changed and still retained the old description, post it here I guess: https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1443449573904224368

[kind narwhal]

Do bosses get stronger in higher level areas

Do they scale with the area

[sly escarp]

Yes

[kind narwhal]

I got my face stomped in by the stag in a higher level area

[knotty moon]

Kinda, Agari spawn in a fixed area, but if you raise the general level with a Cogah potions then they do become stronger.

[kind narwhal]

And more aggressive cause when I fight the stag in the swamp a low level area he's a breeze to kill

[sly escarp]

Enemies with variable spawn locations will have their level and difficulty scaled based on the area they spawn in

A Stag in the NE is far more dangerous than in the West

[lime sparrow]

having issues with textures being missing

ive verified my game intigrety a few times

[knotty moon]

Tried switching renderer?

[lime sparrow]

yes

[knotty moon]

🤔
Updated drivers?

[lime sparrow]

yep

[knotty moon]

No idea then.

[lime sparrow]

its ugh

[knotty moon]

Wait, is that during Waste Bear?

[lime sparrow]

no this is normal

[knotty moon]

Uh, anything else it happens on?

[lime sparrow]

the beaver texture is missing

its just a bright flashing bulb of light

[knotty moon]

Interesting, probably want to throw it in https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224825113120788, I don't see the Floppet mentioned either, but I could have sworn someone reported it was happening during Waste Bear.

[ocean scaffold]

Who is Don Duelo Ribbon and where can I find the guy. (please)

[knotty moon]

The Duelo Ribbon is an helm, must be worn to access the duels, gained during the Fable by picking up the fragments at the shipwrecks.

[dusky socket]

Don Duelo Ribbon 😂 This made my day 🙏

[ocean scaffold]

I have completed the fragments, I "Mended the Duelo Rubbon" now it just says Don Duelo Ribbon...

[knotty moon]

Don is a kinda archaic word for "wear".

[dusky socket]

Don is another word for "put on"

[cloud palm]

Im still surprised and also upset there's no feedback on the bug that ruins the flow of the Waste Bear's quest

Actually I should go to spoiler chat for this, brb

[gray vapor]

Haven’t played since 13, but i’m the mage wizard. Does anyone know of any resources to help me build her?

[ocean scaffold]

So I need to put on a helm?

[worldly grail]

you'll need to wear the ribbon every time you wish to do a duel, yes

[ocean scaffold]

I am not interested in dueling I am doing this quest

But....I am failing to "put on" this helm.

[zenith knoll]

did you craft it

[worldly grail]

that entire questline and the drops from her requires dueling

[ocean scaffold]

That is a no.

[zenith knoll]

ok then you need to find all 3 pieces of the ribbon first

[ocean scaffold]

thank you!

[zenith knoll]

oh

then craft it

[iron nimbus]

Is there any way to guarantee Motes spawning in Rovgot Ruins? Like sometimes I'll be going to a specific area, nothing there and 3min later I go back to the same area and boom, there's a Mote

[worldly grail]

I've only ever seen motes there once. And I ran it like 20x

[zenith knoll]

wearing the full pensive armor apparently increases the chances of motes spawning (up to 2 per dungeon)

they don't always spawn immediately though

[worldly grail]

I didn't know that was a thing

[zenith knoll]

this is the theory i formulated back when i collected them

multiple people later confirmed the pensive set DOES seemingly increase mote spawn rate

[worldly grail]

could anyone explain the Vadagar Bear/Stag spawns to me? I still need some stuff from the bear, but I'm having a bit of trouble tracking it down. I've been mostly going around the south part of the map. Where the King is, south of the Wraith and where the new dungeon is. I saw someone saying here that if you relog you can fight it again at the same spot, but that hasn't been true to me. Relogging and going to one of those other 2 spots also has shown no spawns. Even worse if I get the stag instead... Am I just unlucky?

[knotty moon]

I believe you can only get one bear per night.
So if you fought it before relogging might get you the stag. (that said, if you do get the stag relogging is a valid strategy)

There is also a spawn point in Birdie's Bog and the swamp in the northeast, if you have trouble getting them to spawn at all.

[dusky socket]

I got all 9 motes in 6 runs, no pensive armor, always spawned in pairs, most of the time I had to run to end and then back track and they'd be spawned in the same room(s) as the mendicant spawns. Relogged after each run with motes.

As others have said it would "appear" that the Pensive armor set increases chances, but, impossible to tell atm, and judging by my experience and others', I'd say it's not a guarantee. You really just have to run all the way through, back track, exit and reload dungeon. Then relog if you do get Motes.

[knotty moon]

It is possible that the Pensive armor is a placebo and the significant factor is the time delay.

[dusky socket]

But, for the benefit of the doubt, can't really hurt to have it on.

I will say, I did kill all enemies including the boss, and loot the chest at the end. I believe that some might be missing Motes because they don't spend enough time in the dungeon and the Motes don't spawn. I have a theory that some of the tiles don't actually count as the activation tile for the location. It's like Kairness, how you can be anywhere in the zone and you don't get location/Mote pop-up, until you get close to the gate/town.

[worldly grail]

thank you! I'll check those out too!

[river elk]

i have not seen a mote since before p14.

[knotty moon]

I think the motes spawns are locked behind one of Orlick's new quests.

[dusky socket]

There is also a World Tree east of Wyndoun (NE) that gives consistent Spirit of Ichor tales, mainly bear. The relog spot is right next to it, so you can farm Bear/Stag pretty easily and just relog to refresh the tree.

[river elk]

they are, I just avoided those, maybe that is why as I was just doing votives atm

they want me to do something I already did, so I did not do them at all.

[smoky crater]

a lot of the stuff that you did already do, will just autocomplete

[worldly grail]

thank you very much!

[dusky socket]

You can do Duels in Cogah, interesting.....

[ocean scaffold]

Holy crap this shipwreck is gnarly walking

SEED = OP for this quest

[zenith knoll]

trying to figure out if i want to upgrade chamariz or olho por olho

[balmy hinge]

Max rank for weapons is 30 right?

[zenith knoll]

spawning doubles is cool but i've seen funny bleed setups

[zenith knoll]

yeah

[limpid ridge]

any body elses' game is lagging? (connection loading times)

[balmy hinge]

I just got my first weapon to 30 then, but If I switch to another one I'll do way les damage because of the rank, so is there a way to mitigate that?

[dusky socket]

Unfortunately not really. You can reforge your weapon with a Once Blessed Joinery to add an additional attunement pip (do it when the weapon is lvl 0) and that will help you get to the attunement cap, depending on the weapon and your virtue total/allocation. But the weapon levels quickly, and gains dmg every few levels.

[balmy hinge]

I see, I have already unlocked the blacksmith but not this reforge option

[balmy hinge]

Never even used this joinery to bless anything, But I will get there at some point

Ty for the help!

[visual radish]

More account level so you have more stats i guess

[slender saddle]

If I use totem for secondary weapon, does it apply bonus no matter what weapon I wield? For example if short blade gives additional parry window, I also will have it with greatsword?

[knotty moon]

The armor ones do, the other I don't think so.

[dapper vector]

Anyone else have a white box where your guide is after getting the floppet from the witch?

[slender saddle]

Which rune is better for longsword atm?

[dusky socket]

Everflame is stronger against single targets, namely bosses. Treefell is better for dealing with trash mobs.

[slender saddle]

Ty

[hollow fern]

anyone know what to do here? it says slay the corrupted beast

[ocean scaffold]

Are there supposed to be circles on the map for these? Man, I feel lost with these journeys.

[balmy hinge]

Should I buy everything here?

[smoky crater]

joinery? hell no.
other stuff? go ahead if you wanna

[balmy hinge]

Are any of these rare or hard to get? I thinking of buying everything other than the Joinery then

[fervent sun]

I would, personally. I've run out of gossamer quartz so many times. It seems like everything I want to make requires it.

[smoky crater]

quartz would be the only one really

[balmy hinge]

Alright, ty guys!

[zenith knoll]

they 100% buffed olho por olho at some point bc i do NOT remember it proccing as often as it does now

i'm not even sure it even procs on perfect dodges like the description says

[dusky socket]

Yeah, I submitted a bug report for this haha. Not only is it basically 100% on all dodges, but it's stacking, and then stacking within itself...so like....XD

[zenith knoll]

the bleed meta returns in another DE game

[grand spindle]

I can not use Space in renaming loadouts anymore? It acts as "done" or enter button and closes it. Is that just me? I used to be able to use "space" before unless they patched it

[dusky socket]

This is in round 4 of Cogah, on the enemy with the most armor. You can see my light attacks doing 19 dmg, and Duo Duelo's doing only 1 lol. Yet, dodge, light attack, dodge, light attack, health bar goes bye bye XD

[dusky socket]

Can't use space inside the actual text box anymore. Can use Alt commands, or just type it anywhere else and copy paste.

[grand spindle]

darn it, gotcha and thanks

[balmy hinge]

This is stupid, If I get half my quest objective done and switch to another quest, when I come back all of the said quest progress gets a reset, c'mon

[ocean scaffold]

Kith of Kings Enclave location

[potent radish]

Disregarding virtues and attunements which rapier is considered better, the navalha or Espadarte?

[prisma wadi]

So the only two fragments I have left to find (apart from wylds and thawtide ones I missed) are orengall's fang and marrow's bane. I know the former is just opening boxes in the tree goop dungeon until I get it, but how exactly do I "farm" vadagar bears?

[junior dove]

is there a reason to use a joinery that only adds one?

or is there a max attunement?

[dusky socket]

They're basically the same. Espadarte can have like +5 max dmg, that's about it

[dusky socket]

There is an "attunement cap." It's 1.5x the base dmg of the weapon.

[junior dove]

thanks

[knotty moon]

Having more pips does mean you can reach that faster, that said there is also a 5 pips (per type) cap.

[dusky socket]

*5 pips for a single virtue

[potent radish]

Should I not worry about the smite chances?

[junior dove]

That answers the other part of my question, thanks

[dusky socket]

Actually that's a good point haha. Navalha is 2x what Espadarte is, so that's definitely a good thing to pay attention to

[mighty relic]

is prism the only way to change virtue count?

[knotty moon]

Talismans also give bonus Virtues, as do Pact Arts on the upper side.

Potions and Echo Stones also give temporary buffs (10 points for 1h, and 10 min iirc).
As do some abilities.

[dusky socket]

And there are two changeable virtues currently through Fables, Waste Bear, and Shewolf Snared

[mighty relic]

ok so apparently, mine was bugged, i did all those before, and was confused when my courage was only 11, after resetting my pact, and re-did it, it went up again

[dusky socket]

The Loadout UI often bugs out, specifically with Pacts but sometimes with Prisms too. If something doesn't look correct, just exit/re-enter Nightfold and it should fix itself

[grand island]

whats the purpose of the special kick animation for orengall?

is it just that or is there something more to it cause it still just does 1 damage

[dusky socket]

Just a fancy animation

[grand island]

wild

[wicked monolith]

Hey guys, QQ, for the motes in the dungeon where Wyrm is, what is the best way to farm them ? Just doing the dungeon over and over ?

[vagrant kayak]

I have noticed motes only spawn the first time I run it each session so I've been relogging between runs

[knotty moon]

The mote spawns on a significant time delay, take your time killing every enemy in the dungeon, the backtrack from the Wyrm spamming Spectral Sight + Pull Smite.
While unconfirmed and might be placebo, current theory is that wearing the Pensive set makes the spawn more common.
Relog after every run where you gain motes.

[vagrant kayak]

One other tip is go through the dungeon as normal and then backtrack after the boss, the motes seem to take a little bit to actuall spawn

[wicked monolith]

Thanks for the info guys

[vagrant kayak]

I have been wearing the Pensive set and gotten two motes yeah, not sure if placebo but doesn't hurt to wear the set

[wicked monolith]

Pensive is the Q set, right ?

[vagrant kayak]

Yeah from Orlick, with the beret

[knotty moon]

Set you get from Orlick's quests.

[wicked monolith]

Thank you ❤️

[grand island]

god i love the tethren pact

[ocean scaffold]

Holy smokes, missing 1 mote from salzbriem. This is incredibly frustrating. Any tips on finding this kinda stuff..?

[knotty moon]

If you don't find it in 2-3 min, relog.

[ocean scaffold]

I was doing this and I thought I was putting on my tinfoil hat everytime LOL.

[knotty moon]

I guess the only other tip is that the motes actually spawn when the name comes up on screen, so when it does check behind you.

[ocean scaffold]

Found it, after re-log like 3x LOL.

[zenith knoll]

first time i encounter this puzzle o_o there's a door behind the waterfall but i can't seem to get it to open

there's like two buttons on each side you can press which raise the pillars you see in the picture but apparently there's something else

[knotty moon]

After hitting the two buttons on the sides of the door look on the wall on the other side, behind a tree, there should be a third button.

[grand island]

youre kidding me

[knotty moon]

New Ode'n security measure.

[carmine cypress]

Is it new in p14 that after reforging the item drop level to 0????

[knotty moon]

Used to do it with Blessed before as well.

[grand island]

wait if you reforge a weapon it gets put to 0?

[smoky crater]

with twice and thrice blessed joineries yes

[grand island]

What the hell

[smoky crater]

was the same way with blessed joineries before P14 aswell

[zenith knoll]

OH found it, thank you

[carmine cypress]

Hm...maybe I miss that 🙁 in see it asks item level 30.....and 1 click and it is 0 🙁

[zenith knoll]

figured there would be another button but couldn't find one anywhere

[gray vapor]

I dont mean to be annoying but with the changes to the pact upgrades, does someone have a current build for wyld oscelda

[knotty moon]

It's not the most obscure puzzle, but it is up there imo.

[smoky crater]

just max out everything except for 1 upgrade

[gray vapor]

but like im lowkey chopped

[compact trout]

Which smite increase totem is the best one for Flyblades - The Ambling, The Flurry or The Messenger?
(I'm using Picktrix so I can only use one)

[smoky crater]

[vagrant kayak]

Assuming the old Perfect Throw orbit ones now work on the charged heavy it's The Flurry I believe

If not it's The Messenger

Also Messenger works on every hit not just charged orbit so

[smoky crater]

they yeeted perfect throw from flyblades to fully charged iirc

[vagrant kayak]

They did I'm just not entirely sure they applied the change to Totems, I'd assume so

[smoky crater]

would make them totems useless if they hadn't

[compact trout]

Yeah thats what had me questioning everyting x)

[smoky crater]

granted i basically never use flyblades so i got no idea

[vagrant kayak]

Sure but it's also the type of thing I'd be completely unsurprised was missed in the change

[smoky crater]

yeh

[compact trout]

Going with the Messenger then for safety and the flex of being able to get increases on regular throws aswell.

Thanks!

[kind narwhal]

i hope they do a cool siege for that large castle near the bottom of the map like something to the mendicant fight but more minions

[knotty moon]

Probably going to be a Fable.

[kind narwhal]

ah

[knotty moon]

Seems too narrativly important for a Siege.

[kind narwhal]

the one withthe big bridge is the one im talking about

[smoky crater]

yes the one we were born in

[river elk]

there has been double the mobs lately

[kind narwhal]

yea

id love to be able to claim it back and make it a player house

[smoky crater]

ye i don't think a simple siege is gonna cut it for that one

[knotty moon]

Though a Fable mega Siege that turns out repetable could be it, kinda like the wrecks.

[thin hazel]

The TennoCon teaser sort of hints at something big happening there fable/quest wise

[ocean scaffold]

Can someone point me towards the Midrath's Plains? forgot to take note for it.

[kind narwhal]

while i like the island thing i do hope we get a massive land mass to explore

[knotty moon]

...
Was thinking though, what if we actually turn that into some sort of HQ through the Fable?

[compact trout]

Thats just the world

Try the corrupted areas

Gray on the map

[sly escarp]

Look for the white zones on the map for Soulsbane

[smoky crater]

Stroaic or New Viscii both will have some

[thin hazel]

Far south east or south west, you'll see them

[ocean scaffold]

Ahhhh okay ty

[kind narwhal]

did the sinecure arrive on that collector thingy

[sly escarp]

That's an Ode ship, one of many

[smoky crater]

douuuubt it considering it's a collector
would imagine they got some more specialized things for troops

[thin hazel]

Nah on the big castle ship floating in the air

[normal sail]

technically the sinecure were already on midrath
just the Ode used the spellsong to get a bigger army

[knotty moon]

As far as I understand the Sinecure are also aliens.
Or at least some of them.

[smoky crater]

do we even have anything that would say that sinecure would be alca'n natives?

[halcyon thicket]

Why are they faceless then, i don't think they're humans turned

Except the archer and nimrod that have human face models

[smoky crater]

i mean... what would the Ode even need to have done to make humans require ichor to make water drinkable for them, and to require the mistrels and insense burners everywhere with the full masks etc.

[halcyon thicket]

Also the description in their journal entries says something like "one must travel many stars to earn such a title"

[smoky crater]

for the heavy units yeah

[zenith knoll]

perfect takedown

[grand island]

Huh?

Oh wait i think thats a bot

[normal sail]

unfortunate <@&1154466146741932193>

[smoky crater]

booooooot come on.... did you forget to have your mornin coffee again?

[halcyon thicket]

Lmao

[reef arrow]

Please tell me, have you found a way to knock the soul out of Will-o-wing?

[knotty moon]

Not that I know.

[ocean scaffold]

https://tenor.com/bzepR.gif

[grand island]

I have achieved rank 5 with the rose enclave

[half talon]

Apparently I started typing the following “You can choose” and I have no idea the context anymore…hope someone got whatever info they needed… my b lol

[smoky crag]

can I just not get in here yet or what

there's a portcullis round the side but it doesnt have a lever or anything

this is the big southern castle I should probably specify

[ocean scaffold]

Oh this? That's part of the 2027 DLC.

[smoky crag]

coolz

[half talon]

It will be coming later this year with the tennocon update and mounts

[carmine cypress]

one more question..is "blessing" give 3 spirit... but i see it have different names... any other difference? (i hope its clear what i am trying to ask :)))

[half talon]

Blessed, twice blessed and thrice blessed. They give additional pips (as each name implies) for a max of 5 pips on a single weapon.

[carmine cypress]

I see tha, but i see for example Gildaur: ..... Feybald:....

[smoky crater]

no difference really atm.

[carmine cypress]

thanx a lot!

[smoky crater]

used to be Verite was a more melee specialized one, Feybalt a more Magick specialized one, etc. and Gildaur was the "Universal" one.

[half talon]

They are currently going through some updates and will likely be addressing name changes in the future (if applicable to the changes)

[smoky crater]

yeee

[thin hazel]

They have mentioned in the update that they might bring back the unique buffs in the future. Probably revise them

[carmine cypress]

ok, for now it clear 🙂

[smoky crater]

yes

[zenith knoll]

i'm not touching twice/thrice-blessed joineries until these return

UNLESS i really like a weapon

[smoky crater]

no real need to even

minmaxing? sure. but that's not "needed"

[thin hazel]

I did because I had nothing better to do XD

[smoky crater]

now that's a valid reason

[zenith knoll]

fair tbh

[edgy orbit]

are we supposed to see something after completing the wreck of mestra carmo quest? is there supposed to be a new ancestor added to nightfold?

[smoky crater]

nope

[edgy orbit]

just the ability to buy the duelo pack?

[final rock]

you can refight for the armor

[edgy orbit]

redo quest and get more?

[smoky crater]

ye you can find shipwrecks with the swords at them to fight Mestra again to get the armor fragments and Espadarte fragments aswell

[smoky crater]

not the quest.

just a single fight.

[edgy orbit]

oh so that remains open?

[smoky crater]

as long as you have the Duelo Ribbon equipped, yes

[edgy orbit]

got it. thanks!

[smoky crater]

you can find 3 of the swords at random shipwrecks (7 total) at once. each one has a cooldown

[edgy orbit]

are the shipwreck locations the ones circled on the map?

[smoky crater]

yyyyyes. but not only those ones

[edgy orbit]

okay thanks!

[smoky crater]

like i said there's 7 total around the map on the coasts

[edgy orbit]

thanks!

[dusky socket]

7? When did we lose one? I went to 8 just yesterday

[smoky crater]

oh there's 8? blame region chat

[dusky socket]

But I'm also mentally challenged half the time so......

[smoky crater]

that's where i heard there was 7

[dusky socket]

Bahahaha, yeah, there's 8

Lowkey think there might be a 9th, I need to go check it

[edgy orbit]

yeah my map has 8 gold circles on those locations

[dusky socket]

Man, Esthelle is so sad to use XD. Like.....imma fwick you with my green stuff

Also, I'm pretty sure Avakot wiki and Little Genius only shows 7, so that might be why people are saying there's only 7

[smoky crater]

ah love it. people lookin up info on one single thing with no interest to find out if it's correct or not and or up to date or not and throwin it out as gospel

never change randoms, never change.

[median glen]

why are the names of some places like random laungages but some arent ?

[sly escarp]

What do you mean random languages?

[smoky crater]

as in the ode glyphs

[median glen]

the game language i mean

[sly escarp]

Ah

[median glen]

or whatever it is

[sly escarp]

Yeah, you decipher location names via collecting Motes

[median glen]

those lil golden orbs ?

[sly escarp]

Yep

[median glen]

ah alr tysm

[dusky socket]

So there's also this shipwreck, which spawns a chest which is in line with the other Duel wrecks, but I have yet to see a sword here so could just be a random thing 🤷‍♂️

[smoky crater]

throw your own Navalha into the ground!

then there'll be 9!

[dusky socket]

I should, and post it all over and have people running here and thinking they just got bad RNG 🤣

[smoky crater]

[elfin prairie]

Why won't it let me progress?

[river elk]

turn around, face the other way and hit g.

[elfin prairie]

The bird just stands there

[visual radish]

What are the objectives saying?

[river elk]

it looks like the objective is behind you, the banneret symbol is hilighted.

[smoky crater]

highlighted in the sense that it's not the active objective yet

[dusky socket]

If two objectives are completed/completing at the same time it will often bug out, usually the case when one of them is a "slay the corrupted creatures" because Ode can accidentally complete it for you. Afaik there's no way to fix it other than abandoning the votive.

To be safe, always do the Slay the Corrupted Creatures step

[river elk]

can also go to the sword and kill the stuff there if they did it

[visual radish]

I'd say going into the music objective zone and doing the soing statue thing is the better bet

[river elk]

that too

[elfin prairie]

I didn't get to do anything after opening the chest. The objectives just stopped for some reason

[dusky socket]

I just explained what happened lol

[balmy hinge]

is there a difference between Wyld Oscelda and Oscelda, or they are just a duplicate pact?

[smoky crag]

this quest isnt updating? I've killed nimrod here twice and used cloudquell like I thought I was supposed to but am I meant to do something else?

[thin hazel]

Better stats, but I forget exactly what! If you level them both fully, you get 60 points to spend instead of the normal 30 for both of them!

[smoky crag]

wyld pacts are basically primes from warframe, same abilities but a bit stronger

[balmy hinge]

Oh, so Wyld are the primes, I thought that they were the starting ones

Nice, ty guys

[dusky socket]

I'm pretty sure they're exactly the same, at least atm, othere than the cosmetic arm. Maybe there's some synergy with same colored pull smites, since the arm then glows?

[balmy hinge]

They are literally the premium pacts from the founder edition, if only I payed attention lmao

[balmy hinge]

Could be. I'll test it out later

[dusky socket]

I know there used to be, but pretty sure they removed it in P13

[balmy hinge]

Damn why would they remove that?

[smoky crater]

for the time being. gonna be grindable for free eventually

[mighty relic]

do i need to wear the blue hat?

[smoky crater]

the Duelo Ribbon? for the shipwreck fights? yeah

[dusky socket]

Because DE tries not to have P2W functions in the game. I'm surprised they reduced the initial Weapon/Pact slots, tbh

[smoky crater]

tbf 22 and 7 was a lot

[balmy hinge]

I see, at least it was for a good cause lol

[smoky crater]

back then it was purely because we literally could not buy more, nor did we have enough weapons or pacts to even fill up all the slots yet

[dusky socket]

But what's it now? Like 3 and 6?

[smoky crater]

3 pact, 6 weapon afaik yeah

[sly escarp]

They're the special versions of the starting pacts

[dusky socket]

With like, 9 Pacts and like 35 Weapons or something?

[sly escarp]

If you have both and level them you get twice as many points to put into the pact skill tree @balmy hinge

[smoky crater]

think it's 40+ weapons now no?

[mighty relic]

after the quest? do i still need it?

[smoky crater]

to do the fights, yes

even post quest

[dusky socket]

51 XD

[smoky crater]

i mean... was talkin without founder stuff but ye

considering if you had a founder pack you'd have 0 issues getting enough slots

[dusky socket]

We on the same page lol

[balmy hinge]

What do I do now? I have completed all of the Orlick's quests, did all of the fables, at least the starting ones, like the wolf, bear, blacksmith, transmog witch, maybe some other that I'm not currently recalling rn

[smoky crater]

find a shipwreck

[balmy hinge]

I didn't even get a pact to rank 30 yet, just 29

[sly escarp]

Whatever you want. Grind factions, kill Agari, run Cogah, farm gear you want. The world is your oyster.

[smoky crater]

not surprising if you've been just doing the fables and not much more yeah

[balmy hinge]

Will do, so no more holding hands...

[smoky crater]

not really no, that's about where it ends

[balmy hinge]

What is the best way to increase gear/pact xp atm?

[smoky crater]

kill stuff

[sly escarp]

Kill stuff

[smoky crater]

a looootta stuff

[sly escarp]

Ideally in the NE

[smoky crater]

ye the higher the enemy level, the more xp you get

[sly escarp]

Maybe while doing some Faction Tales if you're in the area anyways

[smoky crater]

aka the 1-3 star things from the World Trees Votive list

[balmy hinge]

Alright, last question I promise

atleast for now hehe

[smoky crater]

[thin hazel]

[balmy hinge]

If I am to go to a higher lvl area, while having a rank 1 weapon or pact, I'll get bodied no?

[thin hazel]

Ask as many as you like btw Hehe

[inner prawn]

is there a limit on how many times i can smite a single agari? i was using low dmg precklies in cogah and only triggered one smite on a boss, and couldnt get smite to trigger again despite trying for a few mins

[smoky crater]

not really, but also possible.

[smoky crater]

it's always once per enemy afaik

[balmy hinge]

So I should just farm xp until lvl 15 or so and then go NE?

[smoky crater]

mmmmm up to you really.

[inner prawn]

maybe im misremembering but i thought i smited some enemies more than once

[smoky crater]

weapon level doesn't really mean a whole lot if you just have the damage in the first place to deal with the enemies

[dusky socket]

You can still kill them, it will just be slower kills, which means slower XP, so there's probably an optimal range based on how much dmg your weapon can do. I'd say start in the middle and then push NE

[smoky crater]

heavy units will give 2 rune charges yes, but afaik it's only 1 smite instance per enemy

[thin hazel]

it is possible to still survive once you get dodging and parrying down! But also, enemies have high armor, so starter weapons will struggle unless you always do charge attacks to semi-bypass

[balmy hinge]

But the vast majority of the damage come from weapons, no?

[inner prawn]

there goes my plan to get all codex smites from 1 fight of each boss

[smoky crater]

ye, meant more as in via the weapons virtue attunements damage bonus

[mighty relic]

This is after the quest, Duelo

do i need to do 3 part duel too after ?

[smoky crater]

for the armor set yes you will need to do the fights

[thin hazel]

Also depends on the weapon itself, like a 1 star won't be good, but a 2-3 star definitely helps

[balmy hinge]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that, well that doesn't matter that much to me atm

[mighty relic]

no i mean, is it still 3 part? or just one fight?

[smoky crater]

just 1 fight

[balmy hinge]

Alright, ty for the help guys!

[smoky crater]

but you can find and do 3 fights around the map at once

[mighty relic]

i just fight, and it didnt drop anything? thats why i was curious

[smoky crater]

not sure if the drops are guaranteed

[dusky socket]

I've actually had 8/8 duels before

[smoky crater]

could also just be that you didn't get any pop up for the reward

but it still ended up in your inventory.... unless it's not there either

[sly escarp]

Vadagar boss drops aren't automatic to inventory

Make sure to walk over where it died

[opal spruce]

hey i cant find a reliable guide on how to find marrows bane fragments do any of yall know how?

[dusky socket]

Drops from Vadagar Bear, along with Arbearer armor. Easy way to farm it is, there's a World Tree east of Wyndoun (NE) that gives consistent Spirit of Ichor tales, and the relog spot is right next to it, so you can just farm endlessly.

[sly escarp]

Kill the Vadagar Bear

[opal spruce]

thanks for the help

[upbeat cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-kill-that-boy-speed-kill-that-boy-ishowspeed-kys-gif-12701459054714320722

reminded me of that lol

[dusky socket]

You think Speed finna join the NFL? XD

[shut sparrow]

Help door stuck, door stuck!

[smoky crater]

uhhhh go to nightfold and back out?

[shut sparrow]

nope

[upbeat cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/wd40-wd-40-hearth-my-beloved-beloved-gif-3181120378951175692

[shut sparrow]

HHAHAHAHHHAHAHHHAHA

had to log out and log in again.

[smoky crater]

was gonna be my 2nd suggestion ye

relog fixes all of lifes problems

[ocean scaffold]

You want Motes? Log out and log back in

[normal sail]

#1 fix for any Frame-game

[river elk]

or finish the fables so they come back

or the new journal stuff

[ornate elbow]

why does these box glows ?

[smoky crater]

no reason

not able to do anything with them

[ornate elbow]

thats odd

maybe theres a function in the future

[smoky crater]

i mean there kinda is a function, but that's only during the Hark, The Collector votive

which is probably what's causing the glow because the same kinda crates can be found in that

[ornate elbow]

crate for colecctor, but no collector in sight

[opal spruce]

so i think i found where your talking about but there was a vadagar stag is do they swap out or something?

[dusky socket]

Spirit of Ichor tales can be both Stag and Bear. You can refresh them by relogging. That specific tree seems to be more weighted to Bear.

[hybrid patio]

These boxes possibly have an script to be breakable when in mid air during collector bounty, but are not breakable on ground

[opal spruce]

ok thanks

[wraith badge]

Normally my ghost encounters turn into a block/parry fest but dodging made it feel a lot more dynamic

[smoky crag]

bro didnt bow

[wraith badge]

I've fought them like 30 times, I get an excuse after some point

need the leggings

anyway gif because I felt like it

[zenith knoll]

cogah mirifuir is something else

[opal spruce]

just to make sure dose it have a wrath of the wastes next to it?

[dusky socket]

It's this one up in the NE

[opal spruce]

thanks so much

[grand island]

https://klipy.com/gifs/guh-5--k01KQ8GSK9AX7ZFHRCGHZER8WWH

[zenith knoll]

agaris still aren't beefy enough sorry

[inner dune]

so what do i do if i havent played in a year and dont know what to do or how to play because everything is different now

[dusky socket]

I mean, one of the weakest Agari took one of the strongest skills to the face, and then three rune charged heavy attacks, I'd say that's pretty decent lol. And in normal mode 🤷‍♂️

[tall cove]

Question! What are all the ways to get access to the game?

[inner dune]

sign up for access or get a code somehow

[zenith knoll]

shhhhh shshshsh

[tall cove]

Ohh are there specific ways to get codes?

[dusky socket]

Depends how you like to learn. There's patch/hotfix notes which have all of the general details. You can just explore and learn for yourself. Or you can drop questions in here/Q&A chat in game.

A lot of the new content is pretty exciting and might get spoiled for you if you get too much info up front, but some of the major mechanics of the game are totally different than they were before. But now Orlick in Nightfold offers some "tutorial" quests, which can help put you on the right path.

[pine axle]

Struggling to find the history motes at Salzbrim, am I missing something? Tried relogging/leaving the area and coming back later. Still nothing.

[opal spruce]

sorry to bother you once more but am i missing something i cant get the tale to appear

[dusky socket]

One thing that helps greatly is turning up the FX Intensity in Accessiblity settings. Aside from that, Motes can spawn anywhere in the area, including inside buildings, near or inside lanterns, sometimes even crates can obscure them. So it's just a matter of searching high and low and making sure to stop and pivot your camera in a full circle before moving on.

[dusky socket]

Hmm, it's possible that the recent Votive changes have made Spirit of Ichor more rare, or maybe they moved trees. Let me hop in game and see

[pine axle]

I will give these things a try, though at one point I was running around spamming the button that picks them up and still got nothing. 😭 Thank you.

[dusky socket]

Yeah, they can be annoying sometimes.

[dusky socket]

I think you're at the tree farther north.

[amber lance]

There's 1000% some kinda seeded weighting or something to the votives, it's not just pure RNG

[amber lance]

one day it'll be nonstop spirit of ichor and 100% stag rate (i killed 100+ in one day without seeing a bear)

[zenith knoll]

what's spirit of ichor again?

[amber lance]

the next day it's bears only, the next day it doesn't even proc

[amber lance]

the votive that spawns either bear or stag

[zenith knoll]

is it the tale that makes you kill the vadagar stag/bear?

oh

i do know some specific tales have a higher chance of appearing on certain trees than on others

[amber lance]

the rng for most things in this game clearly isn't just a random percentage chance on everything

[zenith knoll]

dunno if this includes the vadagars though

[opal spruce]

i found the tale thank you so much

[dusky socket]

Yeah, generally it's location appropriate, ie. a Crypt tale isn't going to spawn far away from a Crypt.

[pine axle]

At least I gained a decent amount of resources doing it, I guess

[solemn trail]

what does it mean when a crate glows in spirit sight?
can't seam to break it or interact with it

[amber lance]

nothing, those are the type of crates you interact with for the collector event

you can't do anything to them outside of it

[solemn trail]

Thanks

[drifting steppe]

IS orengall's greaves - grace?

[dusky socket]

Grace reqs, also scales with Courage a little

[drifting steppe]

Is this quest bugged?

[vagrant kayak]

Shouldn't be, you need a few though not just 1

[drifting steppe]

I have 36

It shows me 0/3 for the quest lol

Don't even know where to bring them, bird is kinda dead

[visual radish]

I have noticed that for these gather tasks it doesnt track what you already have

It seems to want you to gather more

[drifting steppe]

YEah finally

My biggest bane right now is Gosammer Quartz

[visual radish]

Oof yeah

[lucid adder]

Was the same for me when i started xd Circade yields some decent amounts imo

[visual radish]

Only managed to get what i needed when i went to the circade crypts

[amber lance]

only efficient way to get quartz is check the little cabbage turtle every 3 hours

everything else feels like a massive waste of time

[drifting steppe]

Yeah, Avakot has been a lifesaver for resources

Have no idea what Circade Crypts are

[lucid adder]

Then you'll find them eventually xd

When i wanted to craft Rood i hated farming Quartz. Now i got every armor/weapon in the game and i can't wait for the next time to craft something with Quartz cause i'll shower Tulvakane in it

[drifting steppe]

At least pearls are along the river lol

[drifting steppe]

"I do not deserve your hard-earned spoils, better be used elsewhere"

[amber lance]

im missing 1 item in the game

[lucid adder]

YET IT SINGS

[amber lance]

gath 1/2

[lucid adder]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-leave-me-alone-leave-me-alone-meme-gif-6420351794930725971

[lucid adder]

Yea f that brother... i think it looks neat and i like it in my Tethren build, but damn. The farm wasn't fun

[amber lance]

its fine, sometimes i hit the seed where u only get spirit of ichor stags every single time for 30 minutes straight

and i just blast it

wish i could figure out how it actually works tho

[lucid adder]

Honestly i think the devs just mess with us at this point

i needed to kill Mendicant King an endless amount for the last part of the helmet. Then it dropped 6 times in a row ???

[amber lance]

yeah same here

there is some weighting somehow, its not just "pure" random

[smoky crater]

Think you'd need a few more to experience that than just 2 before deciding there's some weighting goin on

[drifting steppe]

Finally almost found all the trees

[amber lance]

dude ive been on the gath grind for like a week

there are days when its 100% bear and days where it's 100% stag

not like it feels like that, but actually impossible to roll bear

i relog like 400 times a night for that hoe

[smoky crater]

Was mainly talkin about the mendicant king set, didnt even notice your msg til now ngl

[amber lance]

im not some 0head complaining about getting unlucky cause of gambler's fallacy

the mendiking was crazy too i had literally 90 kills before the first boots dropped and they all dropped on the next 3 kills

either i hit the secret pity timer or there's some frickery going on

[zenith knoll]

TIL the stultin's aerial attack does NOT reduce falling velocity

[amber lance]

yup theres a couple weapons that dont

[zenith knoll]

just jumped from the top of an organ only to absolutely explode on the ground below

[amber lance]

you'd think all the weapons would behave the same cause they all have the same animations and have the same stats

but nope apparently they're separate

[sly escarp]

Probability can happen like that

Had a bad luck streak.

[sly escarp]

Mockery weapons don't

Seems almost intentional because it's only those three and it's been widely reported

Guessing it might be to make them feel cursed

[zenith knoll]

genuinely don't remember if tessard and the other one do, it's been so long since i leveled them up

[sly escarp]

They don't.

[zenith knoll]

but i believe you, that seems like a feature

[smoky crater]

They dont yeah

[zenith knoll]

stultin doesnt have a perfect throw either

wait nvm it does??

[sly escarp]

It does, yeah

[zenith knoll]

it didn't work until i ranked it up just now

weird

[drifting steppe]

Oh

This is the stag one

[smoky crater]

Yes

[prisma dove]

hello, someone know how too use those items ?cause the little green guy say i cant buy his favor

[drifting steppe]

eyy, got him

[smoky crater]

Go to "Favors", then "Sell" in the top left above the list if items

[drifting steppe]

I had the same issue, level up him to rank 1, go to his alcove and talk with him in sell?

Oh, so you don't need to level him to rank 1?

[smoky crater]

Ngl i have no idea if you do or not

[prisma dove]

ooooh im so blind, thx so much ❤️

[smoky crater]

I've had the factions maxed for a looooooooooong time already

Way before the rep items got added

[analog ice]

hey are joinerys bugged?

[smoky crater]

Feybalt only

Why?

[prisma dove]

must be a bit frustrating 🥲

[analog ice]

will it give me the buffs or just doest say the buffs itll givve