gameplay-discussion

[proper crystal]

you haven't fought them

[visual radish]

I have

[proper crystal]

if you had you would know that they infinitely block all ranged attacks

[visual radish]

The day the update launched

Definetely wasnt infinite when i fought them

[proper crystal]

well 50 charged shots isn't enough to break their guard for me

[visual radish]

I'll try them again later and try to note any dos and don'ts

[knotty moon]

Turn out I had a screenshot of it, if you can figure out the precise location.

[opaque grotto]

can someone help me

how do i do this?

[molten spade]

neathuns entrances are near wevetwood and jaden drop is in birdie's bog

[opaque grotto]

birdie's bog?

ah

okay how about this

[knotty moon]

1. Collect Motes with Spectral Sight + Light Attack, more info here: https://wiki.avakot.org/Locations
2. Orlick is in the village near the College of Pensives, not at Luminns like it tells you, the bird should bring you there.

[opaque grotto]

ahh

thanks so much

[knotty moon]

#1466905141968896225 message

[grand island]

what do people mean by taxi in the recruit chat

[half talon]

They get invited to that area then leave because when they leave the group they will be in the area they wanted.

[grand island]

ic

how often do world bosses respawn ?

[visual radish]

30 minutes

[strong quartz]

hello i need help

[grand island]

alrghty

[strong quartz]

how can I get a code to enter the game

[grand island]

i discovered the one king dude and found out he had the armor i wanted

[sly escarp]

There's a stream on Friday, watching for 30.kin with a linked Twitch account gets access as a drop!

[strong quartz]

Yesterday I watched one for more than an hour and they didn't give me anything

[halcyon thicket]

Make sure your twitch account is linked in Soulframe.com/user

[visual radish]

Also it is specifically a stream on the devs channel

[worthy bluff]

guys

why we dont have map on screen like when u press M on Warframe?

[strong quartz]

IF I BUY A FOUNDERS PACKAGE CAN I PLAY IT???

[knotty moon]

Sorry, misread the message.
Simply different type of game, such a thing has not been requested.

[knotty moon]

Yes, that is one of the ways to get access, you can also watch the stream on Friday with a linked account.

[swift schooner]

Did Hotfix add Lyke-wake to drop tables of goop spawning enemies in fallen tower dungeon? I thought it was coming this Hotfix but couldn’t see it

[strong quartz]

OK THX BRO

[gilded igloo]

good news, the lyke-wake is not another gathannan!

[grand island]

im close to being done with recovering all locations

[lament path]

😔 We will get a three star shield one of these days

[grand island]

the enclaves can i grind all of them at once

what does the star stuff mean

[knotty moon]

They did, was mentioned in the patch notes.
Only the S&S enemies though, the mace wielding ones still do not drop it, according to the patch notes.

[swift schooner]

Thank god, thank you!

[regal stone]

has anyone dropped Espadarte from Duelo yet?

[zenith knoll]

i'm sorry HOW MANY motes ???

hm. collected two in the same room and none of them unlocked additionnal text in the journal

the name of the location isn't even partially deciphered either

nevermind it updated now

[swift schooner]

And did they add new runes that haven’t been added to wikis or something? Swear I keep seeing an ability where a sword is shooting out a wide lightning wave that doesn’t look like a pact arcanic, rune I recognise, or basic weapon skill.

[zenith knoll]

that's probably Mistgale

one of the longsword runes

[swift schooner]

Oh, does it not shoot the good spectral copy of your weapon anymore? What I’m seeing is a rapier thrust followed by a blueish lightning wave.

[zenith knoll]

yeah that's mistgale

the vfx was changed

[zenith knoll]

is it something like this?

[glad flume]

Its different, but also I prefer it? The spinning weapon was kinda goofy before and now its nice that I can just stack them up and clear a room with a few heavies. That thing hits WIDE as heck

[molten spade]

wiki says it's based on syam from warframe

[last prism]

Did they bug out location names? It keeps telling me that I have hidden names to find in places I don't

[proper crystal]

lmao at the fact that greatsword riposte is too slow to hit the second part if the enemy blocks

is this a reasonable amount of damage for a single burn proc where i blocked the attack?

[lament nacelle]

whats your magic armor at?

[proper crystal]

37

[lament nacelle]

heck yeah thats ALOT of burn damage then

[swift schooner]

Ah yep that's it! Guess it's Mistgale 🙂

[swift schooner]

Yeah I get the og Mistgale looked to be a reference to the boomerang thing from Warframe, but I think this is a better skill for Soulframe's context.

[proper crystal]

i love my 3v1 boss fight against the 3 strongest bosses in the game with added healing

[upper osprey]

Good evening everyone, i have a question, how i defeat again mestra carmo to get her set?
im walking around midrath on the shipwrecks using the ribbon and i cant found anything to go to the ship, what im doing wrong?

[proper crystal]

There's a cooldown after you duel after the quest

[upper osprey]

oh i played the quest on day 1

[proper crystal]

It should be only 3 hours, you're at a ship wreck wearing the ribbon and there's no glowing sword?

[upper osprey]

No glowing swords, nope, got on the north close to mirifuir, and full south

[high nest]

everyone saying dewelion is the best long sword because of its high scaling but every time I calculate it, both rapiers come out on top. am I misunderstanding something?

[proper crystal]

dewelion has 6 higher base damage

the scaling cap is based on the base damage

[tiny loom]

Health at?

Might be low health

[proper crystal]

417

[tiny loom]

Dang

Not that then

[proper crystal]

i think it double hit me or something

there's no way that's normal

[tiny loom]

Burning does deal a lot damage to the player

I feel

Burning normally take off about 1/2 my health

[wet tulip]

get higher magick armor and it will be nothing

[high nest]

the damage cap for a weapon is (1.5 x the damage at rank 0) + its damage at rank 30, right?

[proper crystal]

yes

subtract the bonus from the total to find the base damage

[high nest]

according to the wiki, dewelion has 48 at 0 and 72 at 30 so that's (1.5x48)+72 which is 144. navalha has 39 at 0 and 93 at 30 so that's (1.5x39)+93 which is 151.5. espadarte has even higher cap

where's the dewelion scaling?

[void marten]

Bro why me 😭

Like what do I even get to do now but exit the game

[remote otter]

when do I unlock crafting? I already defeated the stag twice

[high nest]

you need to finish the steelsinger fable

[void marten]

You go to the east of Curlail for the fable

[gritty linden]

Getting dropped in after not playing for so long is jarring, I have all my gear, but there's new classes? And my map progress got reset but my story quests are still done? And there wasn't any gentle tutorials to ease me back in with the new stuff like runes and totems

[remote otter]

thanks, I'll do just that

[gritty linden]

(Context, I just joined this server I was still on the preludes server)

[high nest]

talk to orlick ... he got a quest chain to walk you through things

[gritty linden]

It said "use a rune" but I don't have one?

[high nest]

kill an agari and get one

[half talon]

You should get one at the end of the Tormented stag quest

[dark zephyr]

Anyone, help?
What was that?

[half talon]

You are looking for golden glowing motes. You can absorb them via soul sight and left clicking. It will reveal location names to you

[dark zephyr]

uh-huh...
Thanks! Not sure what is it still

[void marten]

It tells you how many glowings farts you need to collect with spirit vision and click to get the name of the location

It also gives you level progression

[half talon]

Golden flowing soot sprites essentially

[dark zephyr]

Okay, thanks

[remote otter]

do you need to finish a specific fable for them to appear?

[void marten]

I mean, yes, but like, being real, they are just glowing gases at first sight :V

[half talon]

Just the initial introduction for Orlick, but they are random and can appear basically anywhere

Actually they appear regardless, but to collect them you need Orlick

[trail valley]

can someone help what does quest want from me exactly?
I need to "Wear a Rune in battle". I have a rune on my bow. I did a few encounters, including with mini-boss. What exactly the old man wants from me 😭

[wet tulip]

use a rune in battle

as in have a weapon with a rune equipped. and when a smite procs steal it with spectral sight + LMB

then you use that rune charge in battle using spectral sight + heavy attack

[trail valley]

Thank you!

[wet tulip]

do you want a vid showing what to do?

[trail valley]

Would be helpful, yes!
I thought that rune just provided a passive buff

[fallen orchid]

I think all runes are deactivated.

[half talon]

Runes were working for me fine a few minutes ago

[wet tulip]

see i attack them until they got a glow on them

i then steal their soul with spectral sight + LMB

you then notice on the bottom right theres 4 empty charges that get filled 2 times

[unkempt gull]

Question first time fighting nimrod does he usually flee or is it glitched?

[wet tulip]

i then use those 2 charges with spectral sight + heavy attack

[half talon]

He leaves a few times until you get to a certain part of the quest, then he sticks around

[fallen orchid]

My friend and I have been playing for a couple hours & we've exited the game and relaunched & still no rune activations we're pulling smites and fully charging heavy attacks... Did they add soimething new?

[half talon]

Yes, today's hotfix, they changed it to now using spectral sight and heavy

[trail valley]

Your video and your explanation is really helpful, gonna practice right now!

[unkempt gull]

Okay thanks I didn't know what happened also why is my map fogged up in places I've been?

[fallen orchid]

lol, thanks Haha!

[half talon]

You will need to find specific dead trees with a polearm sticking out of them. Pull it out to unveil an area.

[unkempt gull]

I did though

Do I have to redo it

[half talon]

Try relogging...It might've hiccuped

[unkempt gull]

Okie dokie

[distant harbor]

Where do we report bugs?

[half talon]

#1438224825113120788 or on the forums.soulframe.com

[half talon]

If you can't see the channel, make sure you choose your id:customize

[wet tulip]

hey guys anyone knows what grace scales on duelo's third ability?

does it just scale the timer its active? or does it also scales the partial extra dmg you do?

[raw vigil]

we can join in now??

[wet tulip]

preludes server got frozen

[half talon]

The old server was merged here. It’s not available anymore for folks to join.

[raw vigil]

ahh

so still gotta wait and hope for a invite?

[half talon]

For the prelude server? It doesn’t exist anymore except as an archival record of what once was.

[raw vigil]

no no i mean to play at all?

is only way to play atm is be a founder?

(sorry fairly new here)

[wet tulip]

watch official streams with a linked twitch account and you get a key

[half talon]

Oooh no. You can certainly purchase a founder’s pack or you can watch the dev stream on Friday

https://forums.soulframe.com/topic/10652-coming-soon-soulframe-devstream-14/

https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1494046353620336841

Not sure why it was being weird…anyways that’ll be coming soon so another chance to get a code. We just don’t allow folks to ask for codes in the discord. Otherwise we’d be bombarded.

[proven smelt]

huh dev stream is on Friday right

[half talon]

Yes…

[junior cloak]

DE i love ya and this is my fav game please dont hate me for putting this here. i just noticed and maybe no one else will

[stray oriole]

What is this? Never seen it before.

[half talon]

Ah… yeah that does seem like an oversight….

[wet tulip]

you mean the knight icon xd?

[half talon]

Can I have you remove it? I’ll get it escalated

[stray oriole]

I assume spoiler?

[half talon]

No

[junior cloak]

no its not

[stray oriole]

AI generated, then?

[junior cloak]

its part of the journal

when u uncover part of the enemies you uncover part of the name and photo thats just the fraction that gets uncovered

sorry didnt wanna make a scene just wanted to point it out for the games sake so no one who actuallly takes offense gets mad

[stray oriole]

Does not resemble anything in the game.

[fringe aspen]

it's Reaper. the hound agari in glades

[wet tulip]

i still didnt understand what was wrong in the reaper picture xD?

[junior cloak]

LOL IT does go to your journal/codex or almanac

[half talon]

All good! It was sent in good faith!

[stray oriole]

I do not recall it looking like that. It looks like the overworld hounds/dogs, does it not?

[junior cloak]

just smite the reaper one time and read the name and u will see it.

[wet tulip]

do you mean the "grape" word?

[junior cloak]

yes

[wet tulip]

ah i see xD

[half talon]

Yes that one.

[wet tulip]

welp bloopers happen xD

[half talon]

They do but…certain ones are not ideal and can cause distress.

What a name…

[formal token]

so how does garren's passive work w the new runes?

[stray oriole]

Would love for DE to lean in more on the wacky Ode aesthetic. They really nailed the "ugly" look that I am a huge fan of.

[half talon]

I can’t think of garren’s passives off the top of my head

[stray oriole]

The recharge one?

[formal token]

yes

[stray oriole]

The one where when you heal, you recharge faster, I believe.

[stray oriole]

I can test it for you real quick if you want.

[half talon]

Ah…clearly I’ve used Garren a lot lately…

Alright I should sleep. Brain dying on me. Don’t get too squirrely while I’m away…

[dark zephyr]

Another thing I noticed: apparently the reputation overflow is not saved?

[wet tulip]

|| figured the location. no moth though. very sadge xD||

[gritty linden]

I've had access for like a year it feels like, I'm friends with a WF founder so she had keys

[raw vigil]

dam nice! ya iv only just tuned into this game i played the crap outta warframe

[stray oriole]

Just tested it out, unless it is bugged, and after using Gathanon with Splitbolt Rune, it seems to consume less Rune charge after healing by around 25% or so for X seconds.

Kind of hard to test extensively as I cannot find enough enemies for it. Heh

[visual radish]

Does a partial charge even do something?

[stray oriole]

In fact, it seems to have added Rune charges for X seconds after healing, which is insane in my opinion, unless Gath or a bug is causing that.

[visual radish]

Interesting

[stray oriole]

So, when you have 1 charge for the Rune activation, you heal your missing health and then use that Rune charge to recharge it as you spam cast it for X seconds.

Was able to cast 3 times while having 1 charge and it went to 2 Rune charges. Insane!

Let me try another weapon first, then not healing, then another Pact to see if this is intentional or a bug

Just tested further and it seems that Rune charges are currently bugged. They give, take and recharge. All over the place on Garren so far. Not sure about other Pacts.

[dusty hatch]

I have this weird thing where my mouse wheel press isnt triggering until i press the rubber of the mouse wheel really deep into the mouse with a lot of pressure. i guess thats the hardware failing tho. Not fun trying to implement heavy attacks into the fighting atm.

[hexed spoke]

i really feel like the new sword and board drop rate or atleast places to get is done bad. i can craft 2 cenotaphs and still only have 1 fragment. no way they meant it to be like that

[pine adder]

the funny,

[dusty hatch]

it was in yesterdays hotfix though. Before there were people farming for 10+ hours to get 2 fragments, being able to craft 10 cenotaphs before getting a fragment of the lyke wake

[hexed spoke]

yeah i still think it's too rare for a 2 star

that or it just really lacks drop sources

[wet tulip]

me getting both fragments after 3 hours of farming

[dusty hatch]

maybe, but it feels similar to all the mockery weapons. also the cenotaph boss weapon feels sluggish and bad, more like a 1 star weapon rather than a 3 star

[wet tulip]

And thats in hotfix 1 timeline

[hexed spoke]

oh well perhaps they add more of the mob that drops it in the future

[quaint dune]

has anyone else have this happen to them after finishing a world tree quest? Unstuck command wouldn't work or anything. i Could access chat but not move or access any menus. had to completely restart game program
https://www.twitch.tv/erzengelgod/clip/ThankfulWonderfulParrotKreygasm-YiTEXnANyPZFiyhX

[modest light]

does anyone know how to complete the squirrel journal entry? I've seemingly caught each type but that part of the quest still isn't finished for me

[wet tulip]

other then just lure normal squirrel

until journal is completed

you need to get this filled

[vapid jacinth]

Does combat feel a bit limited at the moment? I can’t really sense much depth in the current combat system. I know pact passives and arcanic abilities add some depth, but overall it still feels shallow to me.

I understand DE wants Soulframe’s combat to feel more methodical, but in actual fights, whether against bosses or low-tier enemies, that feeling doesn’t really come naturally. Maybe part of the issue is that there are no real combos at the moment, so encounters often turn into button mashing with a few ripostes and spectre attacks mixed in, and that’s about it. I know this is probably a multidimensional issue. The Agari health bar, their attack loops, the pressure from low-tier enemies during boss encounters, and the combat system itself all play a role. But for now, I just want to focus on the combat system.

Even if it doesn’t actually make me play more methodically, I often have to go out of my way to make fights feel less repetitive. That usually means swapping weapons, throwing in a pointless jump attack, or activating an ability like Werewalker against an Agari just to break up the button mashing, even though it doesn’t really add much damage.

Old Agari can feel shallow too. For example the Mockery boss repeats the same 3 attack animations over and over. Once you can read and anticipate the Agari attack loop, the gameplay starts to feel much less interesting. So lately, I mostly just log in when new content drops, play for a couple of days, and then end up waiting another two or three months for the next update. I know the game is still in pre-alpha, but these are still concerns I have when thinking about the full release.

Looking at Crimson Desert, I feel like its combo system helps keep encounters fresh, so maybe DE could take some inspiration from that. I’m only sharing my thoughts here. To be fair, I haven’t played enough medieval or sword-based combat games to have the widest frame of reference, so I know my perspective is limited.

I also understand this might come across as harsh, and I might be looking soul frame through the lenses of souls like games as they are the best examples of what methodical looks like, but these are genuinely the kinds of things I wouldn’t want to still see by full release. I’m also not sure whether combat is still planned for a larger rework, especially with all the new weapons and their special animations being added. I don’t know if that rework is only meant for weapon progression, or if it will also cover attack animations and combos.

[wet tulip]

i agree with some view points but disagree with others too. for example i agree the combat system in soulframe as of now is just mash either light attacks or heavy attacks and thats it. with what i disagree even in souls like games you just remember attack patterns on mobs/bosses and its trivial too

and no im not saying souls like games are trivial like soulframe ( there is clearly a difference) but with more game time any game becomes trivial

• do remember the devs themselfs told us their goal isnt to reach souls game type difficulty

but to make it a more chill experience with a story

[quaint dune]

i only been playing a couple days, but i definitely don't feel this "button mashing" feel you talk about in fighting, especially against Agari or boss battles. parry, dodge and having to target certain enemy types in mass npc battles is methodical battle (archers hitting you from behind can leave you open for combo hit from melees, etc) the fight combos are a bit limited right now, but they did just mention in the most recent enjoy hour that that is a major thing they are working on in the foreseeable future.

[wet tulip]

OP talking about the current end game. where all you need is to do 2-3 rune charges and any agari dies

even less if you factor in pact abilities bonuses ( tethren. etc)

[quaint dune]

yes i am aware of hearing that. haven't tested it myself. to give myself more a souls feel i have tried to avoid these easy marks i heard other speak of

try killing agari or boss without your rune use. only basic and heavy attacks. makes it lot more intersting

[wet tulip]

and there comes pact abilities

its all the same in the end

but thats another issue aka the power creep

[quaint dune]

well, i am only starting out and i will say growth progression so far has been decent for me. i literally went from battling level 15 enemies thinking they were to easy to a new zone today with lvl 30-ish enemies and had a run for my money. died like 12 times to the siege

[wet tulip]

at the start the difficulty is just right

again the view point coming from the current end game view

some people just want cogah ++ modes xDDD

for example like path of exile/diablo types

where the difficulty keeps scaling with better loot

[quaint dune]

yes, i very well get that. it is nice to hear and see the other side of the spectrum with just starting out for sure. question is how long of a grind is it to end game side?

[wet tulip]

and i guess not just armor/hp scaling like warframes iron path. but actual AI modification for tactical fights

[quaint dune]

that would be interesting

[vapid jacinth]

I had the same experience when I started but now 4 preludes in and the novelty has faded. I mean its obv I just gotta be more patient and let them cook cause so far the devs are on fire, n no surprise there. I honestly thought I need to clarify a bit more but @wet tulip nailed it lol

[wet tulip]

yup its what made some players frustrated when they were claiming mestra duels in the fable were too hard. meanwhile all it took for me is mash light attacks without parry/dodges

in a power creep world stuff just become easy

[vapid jacinth]

I havent tired the mestra duels yet, but I would definitely prefer each encounter scale to my level

[quaint dune]

i don't know about that, i hope it wasn't nerfed too much. i enjoy a game with a good challenge. what point is new/epic rewards if you don't have to fight a challenge worthy of the reward?

[wet tulip]

here i was proving a point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_QgzMmGvvg that its fairly possible to win the dueo fight with even 0 armor

[quaint dune]

i very well have enjoyed souls game and Lies of P, due to the combat progression challenge in the story/game line

now my other question is, most people roller playing this or m/k?

[wet tulip]

i prefer m/k

never actually liked controller

[vapid jacinth]

I think DE will run into the same issues with soulframe that warframe veteren players had, but now its on a much shorter fuse because the pact building is limited unlike the build possibilities that came with mods, and the rng of relics

[stray oriole]

All I have been doing as a maxed out player, regardless of Pact abilities and even weapon levels is mash R1, or hold R2's. I run away from when I feel threatened and start throwing my weapon until they die, keep at it until I regain my life, then rinse and repeat.

There are no actual threats in the game anymore, just slot machines with short timers.

[quaint dune]

i feel m/k provides an additional challenge compared to roller playing

[wet tulip]

what additional challenge xD?

aiming is easier and you got more buttons to customize your play style

[vapid jacinth]

bet u came from a controller background

[quaint dune]

idk, i found things to be easier back on console, i have played some games on pc that i use to on console and the feel is way different

[vapid jacinth]

I have the same oppinion cause controllers put a cap on our dexterity lol

[quaint dune]

i did lol

[wet tulip]

yup controller forces you to play its way. meanwhile keyboard is your tool to modify

[quaint dune]

i guess that is where i am different, i don't use tactics like that because i enjoy having a challenge, even though there are technics you can "spam" that make it easy or broken

[vapid jacinth]

That is not how I want to end up

[wet tulip]

for me its even simpler xD

mash light attacks with duelo third ability and nothing can even come close

and there are enough smites for you to never die

just think about it xD magick weapon with rat+ beaver totem on and duelo. its a straight up AOE madness

[stray oriole]

What tactics, and what techniques? I am sorry, but mashing buttons is the bare minimum, and if I am not using a melee weapon, it is even worse for me.

Currently, there is simply no challenge whatsoever if you have decent armour which mind you, is easy to obtain, and even if you or anyone considers it difficult, you can team up with people to obtain it.

[wet tulip]

best part even if enemies block your attacks their stagger gets filled too freaking fast its gone within 1-2 sec

[stray oriole]

This is what it currently is. I am not sure how DE wants to proceed with it, but people seem to be content with it, so who knows.

[quaint dune]

it was more in reference to your running away to throw weapon until you heal then rinse and repeat, when i found this game it was tabbed "souls like" so i approach each and every battle like a souls boss

[wet tulip]

its more of a souls like for kids

[quaint dune]

i might roll back from a fight to breath a little or refocus, but i only do dodges or parry. only time i throw sword is at beginning of fight and usually at archers

[wet tulip]

i mean there isnt even a death punishment yet

[tired widget]

Oblivio quest not works ? Complete sparrows tale ... just complete 2 times and nothing

[wet tulip]

had that too. relog and try again

[stray oriole]

Well, DE regrets naming it that, as that was not the intent. I approach fights as they are intended, with throwables and melee/ranged attacks. These are all core mechanics in the game. Even kicking is useless because it does not do anything to break enemy stance. Parrying is over-kill and dodging is pointless because you can get your health back by simply mashing the same button.

[wet tulip]

my tip is try the 1 star ones

[quaint dune]

yea i had someone watching my stream if there was any death punishment, and i was like "technically only when doing a siege and all it does is lower your ranking which changes loot pool

[wet tulip]

fyi you need 3 sparrow tales for that quest

[quaint dune]

i mean, if i went as Sirin i might impliment more ranged base fight tactics, but i went in as a Tanin

[vapid jacinth]

Each to their own playstyle, but if I needed to infer how the game was intended to be played Id watch the envoy hours, and they do not play like u discribe, however clearly the game design rewards you play style more than others

[wet tulip]

envoy hour difficulty is only seems like because they dont have the time to have fully built accounts like we do xD

[quaint dune]

you put it in better word than i could. thank you

[tired widget]

I don't get rune charge anymore, is this normal?

[vapid jacinth]

If I wanted to cheese game encounters I better off playing warframe n event then I might be more challenged with modifiers n such

[stray oriole]

You do not even need to use Pact abilities. Running the new Siege, I barely used my Pact which was Sirin, and still came out on top. This is not a brag, just how the reality of the situation is. When there is no incentive to use abilities beside efficiency when you are looking for something to engage, then you forget about it eventually.

Again, all of this is my experience, and different people can feel differently about this.

[tired widget]

I don't get rune charge anymore, is this normal?

[quaint dune]

wym, like you aren't getting it from taking smite?

[stray oriole]

I find this funny. Have a good one, bud.

[vapid jacinth]

lol u too

[quaint dune]

i mean, i only really use pact abilities against the bosses, like my warcry to increase attack and def cause otherwise my attacks do little to nothing on them cause of their armor i'm guessing (when the health bar is grey)

[stray oriole]

That just sounds like flat armour being the problem, no?

[tired widget]

yes

[quaint dune]

i'm sure i will see more of what yall describe in time to come cause i am beginning game, all of you are end game

[vapid jacinth]

its not far off so enjoy it while it lasts

[stray oriole]

That explains why you almost sound like you are agreeing to what I state. Yeah, eventually, unless you are really trying to be stylish for the sake of it, most of your gameplay will basically be mashing buttons, which I have seen repeatedly with almost every single high ranked player.

[quaint dune]

we shall see. i just continue to fight like its souls and use pacts when in a bind. (cause i have also noticed pacts ability usage can be very detrimental if used at the wrong time inthe middle of a fight)

[quaint dune]

well i am playing like 5-8 hrs each day i'm streaming it, which only playing it on stream

[stray oriole]

Get yourself the Mestra armour set when you can, and try to get more gear to level up your Envoy rank (current max is 18), get some Joineries, some necklaces and watch how much different the game will be as you start powering up. Hope the game does not lose its appeal to you once you are there.

[quaint dune]

well so far i believe i am envoy rank 5, just about to finish forging my first decent armor set and have done joinery for courage on the first 2 longswords i've forged

[thorny glen]

how long was the update released and I didn't even know!

[dusty hatch]

Anyone here who knows what counts as scans for glimmering animals? only the 5 note variants? or perfect charming? or extra dust notes?

[stray oriole]

Half-way, so not bad. Once you get those Virtue Prisms you desire, the 3 3 3, or 6 necklaces, a T3 weapon (usually higher stats over all), Mestra armour set or Bromius armour set, max out the level of whatever weapon you have (even better if you attach a Thrice Joinery to it), try to mash buttons and see what will stop you. These are all not difficult to acquire. Just need the knowledge to acquire them.

[stray oriole]

The recent hotfix or Preludes 14?

[stray oriole]

I think just charming the animals, being the gold ones and the normal ones, but I could be wrong.

[quaint dune]

well that may be some of what keeping the appeal for me, haven't gotten any piece of those sets or the thrice joinery. just the basic joineries. dk what the max weapon rank is (28 an d15 are the 2 i have rn) is the weapon tiers marked by the roman numeral next to them?

[stray oriole]

level 30 is the max for equipment, so Pacts and weapons, just like Warframe.

[stray oriole]

Tiers of equipment are the stars next to their names, or was it above the names?

[quaint dune]

been so long since i played warframe. so my first weapon is almost maxed then.

[stray oriole]

Thrice Joineries will only apply to max equipment and will reset your equipment to level 0. Have fun! Heh

[quaint dune]

oh lovely

[stray oriole]

They are worth it, but only for the weapons you enjoy using, regardless of rarity.

[quaint dune]

well i have noticed that the weapon combos seem to be the same on the same weapons types (long sword, short sword)

[thorny glen]

i guess both?

[stray oriole]

Yeah. Two things, it is a major critical point people bring up in feedback sections, and DE has been trying to release new and unique weapons like the new Siege staff (Siege Mirifuir), so there is that.

[thorny glen]

also is the new bird available?

[stray oriole]

The recent hotfix released 9h ago or so. This Preludes released what, 4 days ago?

[quaint dune]

had a hotfix hit earlier today, prelude 14 was earlier this week i thoguht

[thorny glen]

i need real words

[stray oriole]

New bird is, through the 2-factor Authentication thingy for security

[quaint dune]

2fa- 2 factor authentication of your account

[thorny glen]

gotcha

[quaint dune]

jinx

[stray oriole]

Got to do it one time in your account settings, then in-game, and you are set

[thorny glen]

done

[stray oriole]

I am unfamiliar with this.

[thorny glen]

jinx is a social thing where 2 people said the same thing at the same time

[stray oriole]

Does it mean bad luck as the word explains, or is it just a fun expression, like, "Oop. He said the thing!"?

[thorny glen]

no, usually it is followed up with "you owe me a coke"

but that's if you're in person

[quaint dune]

you don't knoweth of the jinx game?

[stray oriole]

Ah, I see. Well, something new you learn every day.

[stray oriole]

Never had this in my country. We usually have the opposite where I live, where if you are the one that offers stuff for the two of you regardless of who paid out of generosity and to show respect. Heh

[quaint dune]

ah, i see. well it is more of a kiddish thing in my country.

[thorny glen]

is all the new content from the north siege? do i have to do something to start the mission for the pact? am I insane?

[stray oriole]

Let me share mine as you shared yours: You order something, and when it reaches you, the other offers to pay for the two of you. People actually fight over who gets to pay. Pretty silly, but can get a little too awkward at times, especially when you are broke.

[quaint dune]

oh ok. what country is that from?

[stray oriole]

Middle East, UAE.

[quaint dune]

ah

[stray oriole]

North Siege (Mirifuir Siege), the new dungeon down South East (forgot the exact name but it is the Fallen Tower), and the new Pact Fable with the shipwrecks at shore for the Mestra armour set, and the Duelo weapon and Pact.

[quaint dune]

i take it that no one experienced what i did in the clip i shared? i shared here first cause i didn't know if it was bug post worthy

[stray oriole]

Mind sharing again? And also, make sure to bug report it in the bug report channel if you believe it to be so.

[quaint dune]

https://www.twitch.tv/erzengelgod/clip/ThankfulWonderfulParrotKreygasm-YiTEXnANyPZFiyhX

i couldn't access anything but chat, it happened after finishing a that cannon sparrow quest

had to completely restart game

[stray oriole]

Absolutely, bug report it.

[quaint dune]

ty

[thorny glen]

doing new quests but no idea where to gt "hymn rose from midraths plains"

[quaint dune]

i mean, i have found about 10 or so just running around in the grasses

they have seemed to be more of the rare ones to encounter fo rme so far

[thorny glen]

also wield a rune in battle is still 0/3, what am i supposed to do exactly

[quaint dune]

you have to use your rune ability on an enemy 3 times in battle

[thorny glen]

hmmm, they changed how they charge now

[stray oriole]

Is Hymn Rose not the one that rings when you Soul Sight (or whatever it is called)?

[quaint dune]

i've never actually spectre sight on one before so wouldn't know

[thorny glen]

any zone i should look for?

[stray oriole]

Let me look at its picture real quick. If they are what I think they are, then yeah, they are supposed to make a soft ringing sound, more like a bell than anything.

[quaint dune]

you ahve to pull smite from enemies to charge one. then to use it q + heavy attack instead of having to charge a full heavy attack if i remember correctly

[stray oriole]

Yup, so, these are the ones you can find anywhere in the overworld, anywhere grassy at least, @thorny glen.

[quaint dune]

yea, i have done a good bit of running around in my first two days, will say they are a bit less common on the finding pool, bleieve i only have inventory of like over 10 of them, and all the other flowers i have found like 40+

[thorny glen]

i have 164 queens folly

[stray oriole]

I will tell you this. When I first started looking for them when they first released them, I was in the same boat, but as soon as I stopped desiring them, the game started showing them everywhere. I swear, this game has a desire sensor.

[quaint dune]

well, it is getting super late here for me. yall have a good night

[stray oriole]

Night

[thorny glen]

ok i found one, it does a lil tune when picked up

how many do i need to pick up, seems like i have 22

ah, 3

what entrance is "crypt within twilight woods"?

ah ,way north

[spice iris]

I had two questions is there any word on a release date and will I have the opportunity to reset my account when it releases so I can play the new content in order etc?

[thorny glen]

they just added the introduction quests for stuff just this update

[spice iris]

I went back on it after not touching it for months and was totally lost on where to go and what to do

[thorny glen]

making a new account won't get you on track

[sinful scarab]

no news about release date, they’re planning for optional account reset in the future, but you can contact the support now to delete your account if you want

[sinful scarab]

you can replay some fables

it’ll help a little

[spice iris]

I see thanks, I’ll consider it and worst case maybe wait for the account reset

[thorny glen]

my quests are stuck
one of them want me to "pull smite" and it's not working when i snatch smite from enemies.
another is "kill enemies with totem imbued weapoon" i have my greatsword full of totems, what am i missing?

[sinful scarab]

could be bugged, try a different weapon that didn’t have any totems

might work

[thorny glen]

ALL MY WEAPONS HAVE TOTEMS!

i've 100% gear before this patch

[visual radish]

They dont host either game on servers

[thorny glen]

do i just strip them and keep only one

[sinful scarab]

[dusty hatch]

Relogg. The entire questline is full of bugs and UI issues. Relogging usually helps putting thingsstraight again

[visual radish]

Both are peer to peer

[thorny glen]

even the pull smite trigger?

[sinful scarab]

maybe remove the totems and leave the arsenal to make sure it saved the change and equip them again

[thorny glen]

oh i found out what happened

in the questlog, it doesn't tell you HOW MANY you have to kill or pull

[vagrant kayak]

These quests require multiple Smites, kills, etc if you have it active and summon your bird it'll show progress

Yeah it should really say in the journal

[thorny glen]

this hsould be 4/5 right now

[sinful scarab]

[thorny glen]

[sinful halo]

should i wait till night?

[vagrant kayak]

Yep

Thanks for reminding me @thorny glen I've been meaning to give this feedback for days and keep forgetting
https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1496777623349760040

[thorny glen]

[sinful halo]

thank u

[mild jacinth]

Can you get more than 2 charges for your rune, and how?

[sinful halo]

@vagrant kayak btw i think that yall have a bit problems with synchonizing

i defeated the first boss with the animal, quit the game and after i joined i needed to do the same thing

[vagrant kayak]

Upgrading your Rune will unlock up ot 4 charges

[sinful halo]

and also when i was in dungeon after i quit the game i was able to farming lootboxes again

[mild jacinth]

Thanks

[visual radish]

Did you just kill the boss or did you do the cutscene and exit the dungeon?

[vagrant kayak]

That second part is normal 🙂 dungeons are semi randomized and will restock chests whenever you load into a new one, same for the overworld each time you enter and leave an Enclave, dungeon, etc

[sinful halo]

oh shit nvm i forgot to talk with them

[visual radish]

Lol

[thorny glen]

in order to complete an animal thing in journal, i just need to keep charming animals, right?

[vagrant kayak]

Yep, each charm will fill out the name a bit until the entry is completed

There was a bug with that which I'm not sure has been fixed yet

[dusty hatch]

Frist day of farming Rovgot dungeon I was able to collect 2 new motes for the location, since then, nothing. They seem to be spawning super rarely...or was them sapwning at all a bug?

[vagrant kayak]

Just seem very rare, I've seen none personally

Doubt it's a bug that they're there, the patch notes for P14 alluded to unlockable lore in the Fallen Tower

[dusty hatch]

The two I found were always sitting in the orange glimmering grass, being neigh invisible with the same color tone. One i pulled by accident

[vagrant kayak]

Hmm, could be I've just not spotted them, I'll pay more attention when I'm farming the new Sword and Shield

[sinful halo]

the atmosphere in this game is js masterpiece 🥲

[dusty hatch]

they seem to sit in this grass

[thorny glen]

where do i enter mirifuir?

[lament nacelle]

there is a little staircase to the west side of the castle that goes down

[vagrant kayak]

||To the left of the fort, there's a staircase or a platform you can ride down, then a broken grate that leads into the fort proper||

[supple elm]

Is she just standing there, or is there some hidden interaction?

[sinful halo]

how to use a rune

[waxen flower]

It's just there

[waxen flower]

Q+heavy

[sinful halo]

thank u

[waxen flower]

Np

[sinful halo]

it didnt work

i need to master it first somehow

"great fable — master a rune"

[waxen flower]

You need to slot it in your weapon

Do you have a rune?

[sinful halo]

i guess no i dont see it anywhere

[thorny glen]

does freeing an animal from cage count towards the journal entry?

[waxen flower]

Try to slot in in your weapon. Right click a weapon in your tent and click on the big hole in the middle

[sinful halo]

ure a king

thank u so much

[waxen flower]

No problem at all! Remember that you have to charge it first to use it. You do that by pressing q+ light Attack when an enemy is glowing (red, blue, green) you'll do tons of dmg and charge your rune for one use

That is called a "smite" and it's basically a crit

[sinful halo]

thank u for information

[waxen flower]

[cerulean bridge]

Holy shit I found one

[feral warren]

Does anyone else think that Wazzad’s Wish being a tier 3 pendant that only gives +1 Spirit hints that they may introduce set bonuses in the future? It’s the only way that pendant being tier 3 makes sense. Although now that I think about it the Wazzard set is now worse than the Mestra set which is tier 2 so I’m sure everything is just due for a rebalance.

[amber igloo]

Im wondering and hoping that its not the case. But is the game easy. I just started yesterday and felt a lacking challenge in the combat but im hoping its cus of me being in the early game

[cerulean bridge]

have you fought any of the bosses yet?

[amber igloo]

The first one and that is why i felt it weirdly non challenging

[cerulean bridge]

hmmm, I had a rough time when I was fighting the T3 bounty bosses, but I also didn't know about totems at the time

slotting animals into your weapons

[distant jungle]

This game is, as of now, very casual, and most things can be beaten by flailing at them should you have made enough progress to just stat through them. I don't think game will ever come near to as challenging as Souls games tend to be, for instance.

[trail valley]

hey, it worked. I've done the quest
Thank you!

[distant jungle]

It gets harder than the first boss for certain, which is laughably easy, but I wouldn't call it 'hard'.

[cerulean bridge]

I was also running around zones that were above my level

[vagrant kayak]

It's definitely not going to be a majorly challenging game but difficulty does increase as you progress. The new Siege that was just added managed to down me a few times and I'm at the end of current progression

[amber igloo]

Great i dont need it to be souls like but atleast just a bit challenging maybe where i actually would need potions

[distant jungle]

It does definitely get harder, but if you've ever gotten used to souls games it'll be a breeze.

New siege didn't even phase me, for instance, but I was MR 17 and just used to this.

[vagrant kayak]

The game's hard mode, Cogah, will also increase the challenge as it reduces healing, increases enemy damage and increases your cooldowns. You'll unlock it as you progress the alchemy ancestor who you'll find as you progress

[amber igloo]

Sick. Any idea how long you have played

[vagrant kayak]

I've been in since Preludes 1 so I'm not a good measure on how long that progression takes 😄

[distant jungle]

I do hope they add more to Cogah. No reason to use it after you get all the runes.

Difficulty is fun and all, but when it doesn't give you anything more than playing normally, that's still kind of eh.

It most definitely will be expanded over time though, given how early it is.

At least hopefully.

[vagrant kayak]

You can definitely reach the power level to do the new Siege after like... I dunno 10 hours? Really hard for me to say

[granite umbra]

can I go over the weapon dmg cap with joineries? cause while reforging sometime I see the dmg increase and sometime don't

[vagrant kayak]

You cannot, Joineries will increase weapon scaling so you'll reach cap with less Virtues needed but it does not increase or break that cap

It's one of the things I find a little counterintuitive about the current Joinery system, made a feedback post about it a few days back https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1495697693635379300

[granite umbra]

Thank you. I firstly thought no dmg increase that's the cap yes, but with the current Virtue Prisms I think I can reach the damage cap on every weapon without Joinery or with just one Attunement pip at most. At this point, I assume the Thrice are more for enabling different builds between weapons that require different scaling

[worn carbon]

how do i release block while durglint is active?

[vagrant kayak]

I don't think you can now, it activates the beam and then releases when the charge is spent

[worn carbon]

so how do i benefit from the increased melee damage when all i can do is block 😭

[vagrant kayak]

You get the damage after the beam ends your sword and shield will glow to indicate it's charged, then your next hit expends the damage

[worn carbon]

oooh ok

[regal stone]

Duelo users out here, is Olho por Olho worth keeping? the bleed damage seems very small

[ionic mesa]

anybody figure out how to get the duelo armour? I know you're supposed to find the swords again but they aren't appearing for me

maybe I'm looking at the wrong shipwrecks or it's bugged? wanna know your experiences

[distant jungle]

Most shipwrecks will have one, the sword will glow in spirit vision, and you need the ribbon equipped.

And the duels are the only way to get the maestra set, as far as I know.

[ionic mesa]

nothing shows up for me it must be broken :(

I've checked the 3 spots from the quest

[ripe bone]

bleed damage is actually pretty good since it bypasses armor. you currently only need 1 rank though since the passive is bugged and gives the full amount at rank 1

[distant jungle]

I mean, the bleed may be constant, but is the chance to inflict it?

[ripe bone]

about 40%

and for 3 successful hits

and it doesnt even have to be a perfect dodge

[regal stone]

talking about perfect dodges
they should make the visual indicator for it more clear

I had to google what a perfect dodge and spectre strike was yesterday cuz I didn't know if it was triggering it or not

[ripe bone]

there is a whoosh sound and a glow on your character when you do it

[regal stone]

it's veery hard to see, at least on my graphic settings

[kind sapphire]

yeah its pretty obvious when you've done a perfect dodge, unless you're hard of hearing. The sound is pretty loud

[regal stone]

maybe my sound settings are off then cuz I couldn't hear the SFX

and sometimes Duelo's decoy shows up while I'm dodging and obscures the leg glow completely

[distant jungle]

I mean, Duelo decoys only pop up on perfect dodge.

All a perfect dodge is is a dodge that has passed through an enemy hitbox.

As in, you dodged something.

[regal stone]

unless I'm perfectly dodging the air, then no lol

I get decoys when just walking around from one place to the other

[distant jungle]

Huh, I never have, weird.

[regal stone]

that's what made me ask yesterday if there was any indicator for their cooldown ending

because I kept getting into fights after using all three just walking to it

[distant jungle]

I'm dodge spamming right now and getting no decoys.

[kind sapphire]

You get decoys on the next n dodges after a perfect dodge

[distant jungle]

But every time I dodge through an attack, a decoy always spawns.

[kind sapphire]

you probably had some charges left

[distant jungle]

Ah, makes sense.

[regal stone]

yeah that makes sense

[distant jungle]

I have it at 1 lol.

[kind sapphire]

The pact is super broken idk why i've been seeing people in feedback talking about it needing help

the second skill isnt super helpful but it doesnt need to be because the passives are disgusting

Its like if someone took tethren and sirin and smashed them together while buffing sirin to get backstabs basically at will

[distant jungle]

The second skill... isn't helpful? The slow is disgustingly effective lol.

Anything hit by it is now disabled entirely.

[kind sapphire]

Comparitively

[regal stone]

before I learned how to actually use it, it felt super weak

but that's just how the game works ig, I've learned not to complain too early cuz everything gets broken when you learn to use it

[regal stone]

was the same thing with Sirin

[distant jungle]

Sirin could probably still use a little help. It expends more effort doing things that other pacts do for much less.

It's pretty much just the pickpocket pact.

[kind sapphire]

Pickpocket doesnt even really do much unless you plan on not killing the enemy

It takes the loot drop that you would've had when you killed the enemy, it doesnt actually give you extra loot

[regal stone]

imo the 1 and 2 could get some love
they feel underwhelming most of the time

also they dont really fit their respective slots for some reason?

why is picktrix powder a courage ability

[distant jungle]

It helps with enemies that have very low drop rates, like spiders.

Cus it guarantees a drop instead of nothing, which can otherwise happen a lot.

Outside of that, on most enemies, yeah.

[regal stone]

trick of the light being spirit is fair, so is glamour on grace
but picktrix powder literally just stuns

also not really gameplay feedback, but trick of the light was cooler before they gave the decoy a big head

now it just looks dumb

[distant jungle]

Oh I agree with that, idk why they gave it a huge head.

Like, haha funny but I'd like it to not.

[regal stone]

For a well-aimed bolt may end a world. It has done so once before.

lies

OH RIGHT
the new joinery update made Sirin feel worse to play btw

cant get the draw speed buff from Quicksilver joineries anymore

the damage with thrice-blessed joineries is now overall higher but oh boy do i miss my fast bow

[kind sapphire]

I dont think thats necessary, they are already strong. I think its a hidden interaction that isnt even stated on the wiki, but picktrix powder increases stagger damage dealt

The only thing i could see changing about the skills (the passives need work) is that enemies dont seem to aggro to your decoy very cosnsitently unless you literally put it between yourself and them. Even then, sometimes they dont aggro. Duelo decoys draw more aggro and they're literally free to use whenever you want

[kind sapphire]

nvm its on the wiki but they dont give much information about it at all

They say it in passing but its a huge stagger buff

[distant jungle]

Same problem as Tempest then in that, sure, stagger, fun, but they're dead.

Stagger doesn't mean much when you can kill in quicker time.

[regal stone]

yeah it literally doesnt matter

if i have one Alca's charge in my bow they're already far gone

[distant jungle]

Even if you don't it's 1-2 headshots.

Or like, a single arcanic from several pacts.

Or just hitting them 3 times with a melee.

Stagger support ain't that helpful. Kill time is too fast.

[kind sapphire]

The stagger bonus is enough that arrow rain max staggers bosses pretty much instantly

[distant jungle]

I can kill bosses in 2 rune charges or a few more Gath throws.

[regal stone]

i think the way they unironically could make Sirin more interesting is giving Glamour a faster movement speed

cuz rn if you wanna backstab just use Duelo

you want a decoy? use Duelo

[distant jungle]

I like casting gun.

It amuses me.

[regal stone]

and Duelo also has the gun buff

[kind sapphire]

Is this a sirin issue or is this runes trivializing bosses

something else being better doesnt make sirin bad

[distant jungle]

Oscelda, Teth, Bromius, Mora's Hand, most other pacts have way more killpower against bosses.

[regal stone]

Wyld Sirin might have stolen their blessing from the blue girl who's name i cannot recall, but they have failed to realize Mestra brought a glock to the fight

[distant jungle]

Duelo too.

The problem with Sirin is every role it has is done better somewhere else, even before Duelo.

Sure, not its specific playstyle, but anything it achieves.

[regal stone]

my Grace-focused Duelo setup literally gets 1.2k on Flintlock 😭

[distant jungle]

And right now damage means much more than stagger cus things die too quickly for stagger to be needed for threat management.

Even if you removed runes entirely, this would remain true, albeit to a slightly lesser degree.

[kind sapphire]

doesnt bromius only deal like 300 damage max on its damage skill

[regal stone]

i really dont wanna see Sirin get the Ivara treatment, its my favorite out of the Wyld trio especially because of the gameplay but rn it aint looking good

[kind sapphire]

Where are you getting bromius boss kill power from

[distant jungle]

Did it get nerfed that hard? Lmao.

I thought the 3 - 1 combo still actually did things.

Did they neuter that pact?

[kind sapphire]

it wipes camps but it does nothing to bosses

[distant jungle]

Ah, oof.

[kind sapphire]

and the only camps it really wipes are like mid level ones

otherwise the heavier units have too much armor

[distant jungle]

RIP funny bear pact then.

I guess it still has the line hard stun.

Unless they killed that too.

[kind sapphire]

that still works its just a knockdown for bosses that are affected though

[distant jungle]

I'd say a knockdown at least guarantees that the boss is probably dead before they can move again, but Flintlock also does that pretty well, at least most of the time.

[kind sapphire]

why would you cast the knockdown if you could've killed it in the time the knockdown happens

it does no damage

[distant jungle]

True.

[sinful halo]

do yall think i should waste those 100 coins (10 of them to get sword now?)

[distant jungle]

I'm hoarding all of my founders arcs like a dragon, to be used to buy more slots as needed.

[kind sapphire]

are you like max grace moras hand to one shot with a headshot? sounds like aids to setup

[distant jungle]

Nah not one-shot, I mean that a headshot with Flintlock with the clone out usually knocks down.

[kind sapphire]

No moras hand

[distant jungle]

And does enough damage that you can walk up and shank them a few times.

[kind sapphire]

You said moras hand has high boss killpower, are you just using max grace to one shot with a headshot

[regal stone]

till we get a way to earn em without spending, ill be saving

[distant jungle]

Oh, Mora's Hand is just light on fire and throw the funny fire spin, it doesn't one-shot but will tear a chunk out of them enough that a few stabs finish it.

[kind sapphire]

Are you using high grace or no

[distant jungle]

Nah, just 15.

I'm Courage-focused.

[kind sapphire]

Go use higher grace and it'll one shot

[distant jungle]

Nice lmao.

[mighty relic]

i just got back to the game, last i played was prelude 10/11 i think, theres so many changes that im lost rn
really appriciate if i can get some guide on the mechanics

[kind sapphire]

It does headshot damage which scales with grace and the base damage scales with grace so

[distant jungle]

Oof.

[novel ivy]

It's the premium currency you're never going to get it without spending. Kind of like how you can't get plat in warframe without spending

It's how they keep the game f2p

[distant jungle]

Speaking of Grace, I'm sad about what they did to Stampede. I tried it earlier and it did fk all, I'm assuming it's just heavilydependent on having high Grace now.

At level 30-ish it was doing ticks of 1 to basic enemies.

[arctic cedar]

Is Espadarte missing one light attack or am I crazy

[kind sapphire]

the stats now have their own things that they do instead of everything scaling with courage. Red skills scale with courage, green skills scale with spirit, blue scales with grace. Spirit reduces cooldowns, grace increases stealth damage and precision damage, and courage gives higher hp

[kind sapphire]

thats how armor works man you either deal damage or you dont. especially with multihits

Stampede hasnt really been good since like p6 or whenever it was changed from aoe dot to needing to actually be hit by one of them

[distant jungle]

Stampede was great and could insta-clear high level camps right after they gave it piercing.

After that change and before the virtue changes it was great with how clustered it is at the beginning.

At least for add clear.

Now it does literally nothing.

[regal stone]

?

[ripe bone]

bromius power is in its first passive, you can full strip bosses and melt them

[kind sapphire]

Idk when you joined but if it was after the first change they did where it went from placed aoe to whatever it is now, you were never there for peak stampede

[regal stone]

have you heard of trading, kind person

i made like 2k plat on Voruna Prime alone

[novel ivy]

Someone else still had to pay money. So again the premium currency is never going to be actually free

[distant jungle]

I came in P10 lol, so I was just saying as it was when I joined vs it after it got piercing and thus could actually do consistent damage.

It could still wipe level 40-odd enemies reliably.

[kind sapphire]

I wonder if im allowed to show clips from before the video ban was lifted

[novel ivy]

That is the point you chose to ignore. Just because you'd rather someone else buy your premium currency for you doesn't make it free

[distant jungle]

I mean, that wasn't their point though.

[regal stone]

you're missing my point

[distant jungle]

Their point was their own ability to get it without spending money.

You're just using a bunch of semantics.

[quasi wolf]

I think you probably could as it’s an old version of soulframe and not representative of the current state. But you should probably ask a mod first just in case

[regal stone]

if we're going down this route, soulframe isnt free because DE is paying to keep servers up lolol

[distant jungle]

Yeah, being able to farm plat via playing the market has always been a part of Warframe.

And it'll most probably be a part of Soulframe too, for anyone who spends the effort.

[mighty relic]

huh? so each, color skill scale with the colors, but each color still give buffs?

[distant jungle]

Yep.

Courage gives 12 HP per point while Spirit gives 6 and Grace 3.

But Spirit also lowers skill CD for all skills and Grace increases critical damage in several instances.

And on top of that, each scale their respective skills.

[kind sapphire]

yeah

all the armor and weapons now can scale with multiple different stats, and it'll show how much it scales with each stat by the number of colored "pips"

[mighty relic]

pips?

[kind sapphire]

hover over one of your weapons in the loadout screen

[kind sapphire]

Or one of your armors

[distant jungle]

The colored symbols.

Pips, tibs, whatever you call them.

[mighty relic]

thats called pips?

the attunement right?

[kind sapphire]

@vagrant kayak do you know an answer for this

[kind sapphire]

yeah

[regal stone]

i personally call them Carl

🔥🔥🔥

[distant jungle]

Lol.

[mighty relic]

i usually go with grace, but i like the merking armor, so i have low courage rn TwT

[vagrant kayak]

I'm fairly sure you can but I will check with the community team

[waxen flower]

You can always transmog it

[kind sapphire]

[mighty relic]

transmog?

[waxen flower]

Yep with the witch verminia

You can wear your armour as a skin on top of your actual armour

[mighty relic]

if i transmorg, does it unlocked for all armor on one only?
and is transmog the bestitch or something?

[regal stone]

talking about transmog, does the pensive headpiece come with the hood or is it just the hat?

[distant jungle]

You can use a new premium resource to purchase the appearance of an armor piece you own. You then unlock the appearance of that piece of armor as a toggleable override for the appearance of whatever you are wearing in that slot.

Unlock a specific helmet, you can always use the appearance of that helmet forevermore.

[lucid adder]

Can someone tell me how i trigger my rune on Avex with the new patch? Cause it's got a melee attack instead of arrow rain no?

[distant jungle]

And yeah it's called bestitching.

[waxen flower]

It's q + heavy

[lucid adder]

Yea it should be, not working on avex tho 🙁

[waxen flower]

Weird, I can't check atm tho

It should just load a charged shot and use your rune

[lucid adder]

Yea that's what i read in the patchnotes

but it still does the melee arrow thingy

[waxen flower]

Probably bugged

[mighty relic]

thets 2 on the changes:

1. Armor
2. Stats

is there anymore, i know about the fast travel, how about the faction and stuff or anything else crucial that i need to know? or any tips?

[distant jungle]

Uhh, there's no more CD on faction swaps now, and mounts are apparently coming in one of P14's hotfixes.

And factions offer virtue prisms, which dictate your virtue distribution, so it's good to collect those.

[lucid adder]

Mounts in a hotfix? You srs?

Also good to know with the faction swaps! Love that

[distant jungle]

Pretty sure that's it's planned to be released before P15 yeah.

Which means it'll be in one of 14's hotfixes.

I think there have been hotfixes before with big updates.

[lucid adder]

That would be hella cool ngl

[knotty moon]

There is no indication whatsoever that they intend to release it before P15 to my knowledge.
What makes you think so?

[lucid adder]

Don't you ruin my hopeful mood

[distant jungle]

I just heard it from several people who cited the devstream, idk.

[vagrant kayak]

Those people are incorrect

Mounts are not coming in P14

[halcyon thicket]

Nah, last envoy hour Sarah said "this year" so still a long way

[distant jungle]

Good to know.

[knotty moon]

She even qualified that with "Hopefuly", though it seemed to be a joke to me.

[halcyon thicket]

Yeah they confirmed it in last devstream to be this year

[lucid adder]

That's what my information was

[vagrant kayak]

Considering the trailer for Warsong shows the Envoy riding a wolf and we're seeing more of that at Tennocon I would not expect mounts until at LEAST after Tennocon

[lucid adder]

You know when that is perchance?

[vagrant kayak]

Tennocon? July 10th and 11th

[lucid adder]

Ah neat, thanks!

[kind sapphire]

Do you know about runes at all or was that after you stopped playing

[novel ivy]

This was never stated all DE Sarah said in response to being asked was 'Hopefully this year for mounts'

[distant jungle]

Yes this was answered.

[modest ruin]

oh thank god you have to hold the input to sell runes now

lost treefell and mistgale trying to upgrade them and selling them like an idiot

[zenith knoll]

progress!

[distant jungle]

Oof lol.

[wet tulip]

wait wut you need 9 moths for the new dungeon xD?

[zenith knoll]

apparently yeah

[wet tulip]

bruh and they are super rare too xD

[zenith knoll]

i got two yesterday in the same dungeon and one just now

[vagrant kayak]

I have a theory about the motes I gotta check later

Wonder if wearing the Pensive set increases their spawn

[zenith knoll]

if it's about the pensive's cloak, i am equipping it, yeah

[wet tulip]

please keep us posted

guess ill join the test today too

[novel ivy]

Supposedly using pensive gear makes them appear more often

[wet tulip]

to see

[zenith knoll]

also i'm like 80% sure they DO NOT spawn immediately in the area, you gotta clear all the mobs first

[vagrant kayak]

If that is the case I like that direction, giving armor sets inherent buffs and quirks like that

And if it's not the case it should be

[knotty moon]

I did absorb mine as soon as I entered the room though.

[knotty imp]

speaking of motes, the ones for fallen skytower seem to spawn now inside that dungeon

[zenith knoll]

the three motes i've gathered so far all appeared in one of the two "main" rooms

[novel ivy]

Yeah I haven't tested it just remember someone else mentioning it on a stream I was watching

[lucid adder]

Just wanna let avid bow users know: Avex is bugged since the patch 🙁

[distant jungle]

Yeah Avex can't use runes.

[vagrant kayak]

Yeah known issue, can't activate Runes because of its unique heavy attack

[novel ivy]

Have you made a bug report?

[knotty moon]

Posted it in https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224825113120788 ?

[distant jungle]

It's known by now.

[lucid adder]

Typing rn

[distant jungle]

Honestly I think it'd be funny if its heavy attack stayed as is and activated runes. shank 'A curse upon yee!'

Arrows fall from the sky.

[novel hawk]

hallo guys can I ask something? I already signed up and downloaded the game yet I cant login. Do I still wait for how many days to get Preludes thing?

[distant jungle]

Not gonna happen, but it'd be amusing.

[modest ruin]

'make bows melee again'

[lucid adder]

It's more than that tho, the splinter ability is also bugged

[distant jungle]

I'm having fun shanking people.

[knotty moon]

If you can download you should have access.
Did you double check your password?

[novel hawk]

it says "Your account is not yet registered for Soulframe Preludes. Please await an invitation email before downloading."

[novel ivy]

Did you not use an access code?

[knotty moon]

Just to check, you did recive an invitation, used a code, or bought a Founder pack?

[novel ivy]

So no you didn't get an invitation code and haven't used it. The game is currently invite only

[novel hawk]

I didnt receive any

[novel ivy]

You have to wait for one to be emailed they send out 2000 every week. Or you can watch dev stream tomorrow for 30 minutes to get one

[knotty moon]

Uh, you shouldn't have been able to download the game.
In any case, #gameplay-discussion message.
The next stream is on Friday, you can find the link in the events.

[vagrant kayak]

You can download the game without access now

Changed a while ago

[novel hawk]

is it possible to directly ask for a code :< since like me i might not able to watch devs stream due to I have work 🥹

[knotty moon]

Ah.

[novel hawk]

I just find this game so good in YT

[vagrant kayak]

We do not allow asking for codes in the Discord sorry you can check how to get access to the game in the pinned message in this channel

Or you can check your DM's

[tropic charm]

does this do anything currently or is it still a wip?

[knotty moon]

Still placeholder.

[novel ivy]

Infamy still does nothing right now

[zenith knoll]

5/9

[sinful scarab]

two?!!!!, that’s insane

[zenith knoll]

now i'm 100% sure they don't immediately spawn in the area

[mighty relic]

no i dont, i dont know about runes, and much more, cause i dont have friends that can teach me, in warframe, i have a friendly clan when im starting

[zenith knoll]

7/9, almost done

they probably fixed something last hotfix because I tried mote farming with the full pensive set during hotfix 2 and found nada

or maybe i'm just being very lucky rn

[sinful scarab]

pensive set do something special?

[zenith knoll]

the initial description of the rovgot ruins implies you want to wear your pensive attire to uncover the lore of this area

[sinful scarab]

got them all without wearing it

[zenith knoll]

oh lol

[kind sapphire]

Runes drop from world bosses, and you can equip them to your weapons. Every time you do a smite, they get one charge, and holding spectral sight while heavy attacking does their effect.

There are other runes you can get in the “hard mode” which you need to consume a potion to enter. One life, dying boots you.

[opal fable]

can i swap back to the old ordering for enemies in my codex, now its very hard to find which ones i don't have yet

[sly matrix]

Is there any way to see how many Weapon / Armor slots I have? I just tried to "Claim All" at my blacksmith after crafting a bunch of stuff, but it says "Insufficient space in inventory."

[opal fable]

talk to capitalism camel and check the section for slots, it says how many spare you have

[sly matrix]

Ah thanks. Hope they improve that UI, so we can see it in our inventory like we can in Warframe 😄

[fallow arch]

wish I could skip the boss intro for carmo

[fallow arch]

I didnt have to uncover its name

[smoky crater]

i think the dungeon entrance name is always translated

[zenith knoll]

it was for me, yeah

new number unlocked ‼️

[smoky crater]

as in its only the name pop up you get when inside the dungeon that needs translation

[mighty relic]

are there anymore i need to know? cause im so lost in this game

[fallow arch]

hope they add plants to codex

ah ye I dont have the text for it at the top

been through it a lot, guess I'll try the pensive armor

[kind sapphire]

Nothing that isn’t easy to figure out. Have you found the wiki?

[sinful scarab]

did you go through it after the last hotfix?

[frigid helm]

Do the duels now drop a rapier part and armor?

[halcyon thicket]

Yes

Both rapiers and armor

[timid plinth]

I'd assume i need a second person to step on the other plate?
or its somekind of puzzle?

Btw. missed opportunity to be able to lock plates in place with Thrown weapons

[sinful scarab]

lure an enemy to it and then freeze it with your first ability

[timid plinth]

havent thought abt it, its genius

[sinful scarab]

[rigid condor]

Cant open chat ingame, anyone knows of a quick fix instead of relogging?

[zenith knoll]

orengall 1 should work

put your character on one plate and the wolf on the other

[mighty relic]

wiki ?

[knotty moon]

Avakot.org

[timid plinth]

hmm i have yet to farm orengall, but noted!

[mighty relic]

is there ways to get codes now? cause i wanna invite my friend to the game

[knotty moon]

Watch the stream tomorrow with a linked account.

Or get your friend to do so to let them get it themselves.

[keen pasture]

what do the chains i can pull unlock

[knotty moon]

They bring up a chair, a cage, a bell, or a chest.
If you get a chest (like in the pic), you can hit it to get loot.

[mighty relic]

why moonsteel is so expensive

[timid plinth]

because its harvested from the moon,
and trips to the moon is expensive

[keen pasture]

thanks, why the other things exist

[knotty moon]

🤷‍♂️
Duds.

[keen pasture]

like i got a bell in the other room

is it just useless

[knotty moon]

Or secrets I haven't discovered yet.

[dark zephyr]

What's the difference between those two?

[keen pasture]

i see, thanks

[kind sapphire]

Purple can be used for all weapon types

[knotty moon]

Quicksilver goes on bows only, Gilduar goes into all.
Maybe, Joineries were just changed and are a bit iffy right now.

[dark zephyr]

Got it, thanks
Just wanted to know which of them works on Juniper

Okay, new question: What does the glow mean?

[wet tulip]

5 pips

[knotty moon]

UI thing, it is a condensed 5 pip mark.

[wet tulip]

and going above 5 is pointless

[dark zephyr]

well, 5 pip is just 5 there...

[wet tulip]

visual bug

[dark zephyr]

got it, thanks

[wet tulip]

with everything working fine its 1 glowing pip

[rigid condor]

a what....

[smoky crater]

bruh

[timid plinth]

my guess would be
That when u r in night fold,
Sun is turned off to conserve electricity

oop, got removed

[fallow arch]

yes and just went through wearing pensive armor

never saw any motes

[zenith knoll]

they don't always spawn right away, gotta linger a bit in the two "main areas" of the tileset

also maybe remove your glamour? just in case

and if all else fails log out/on

[knotty moon]

Did you get them to consistently spawn or it is still a random chance?

[zenith knoll]

my process was basically:

1. wear pensive set, NO glamour (just in case)
2. head into dungeon
3. collect motes (sometimes there were none, sometimes only one, sometimes two; all motes I've collected were always in one of the two bigger rooms of the tileset, where the Wazzard appears)
4. after collecting motes, log out/log back on (operated under the assumption that those motes' respawn worked the same as all the others)
5. repeat from top

but yeah other than that I got them all pretty quickly, like in 10 runs tops

[knotty moon]

Thanks.

[zenith knoll]

and like I said earlier, they don't always show up right away when you arrive in a room, you gotta stay there a bit, maybe clear all the enemies present

someone here posted a screenshot of them collecting a mote without the pensive set but you never know

[knotty moon]

Did you relog even when not finding motes?

I did collect the first without it, so it is possible at least, but I'm grasping at straws here, and you seem to have done pretty fast.

[zenith knoll]

no, I just exited the dungeon normally then went back in

[paper jetty]

does the journal give mastery xp?

[zenith knoll]

yes

[paper jetty]

pfffttt

[zenith knoll]

more specifically, collecting history motes

dunno about the codex entries but I don't think those give xp

[paper jetty]

no i mean the new one, like animals and enemies

[zenith knoll]

I don't think so

would need a second low-mr account to check for sure

[knotty moon]

Just got two of them spawned, backtracking after killing the Wyrm.
Definitely some kind of delay, I chekced that room fairly thoroughly.

[thorny glen]

ok so, i need to look for shipwrecks for the new pact and rapiers? are they really across all the shores?

[wind ether]

there should be map floating around , basically 4 points on each of west and east coast spanning all over so total 8 points yeah .

[knotty moon]

Yeah, there is a map floating around if you search for it.

[naive cloud]

Hey I was just wondering, is there a benefit to crafting 2 of the same weapon?

[knotty moon]

No.

[thorny glen]

alright, so when i find them it should be obvious how to get the rewards, right?

[naive cloud]

So what should I do if I get frags for a second idk needle for example?

[wind ether]

but once you start the mission the tracker will help you direct you stap by step , you will need the map though to farm the armour and new sword after you are done with the mission

[knotty moon]

Though you could craft a second, keep it at Tuvalkane and sell your claimed one to free space.

[thorny glen]

you CAN have 2 weapons with 2 diff refinements

but....why would you

[knotty moon]

But you would have to relevel it when you want to use it.

[knotty moon]

For now, stare at them longingly, later on trade.

[naive cloud]

Sell the claimed one? As in like the frag or finished one? Lol

Sorry I never really played warframe so these systems are kinda new to me

[thorny glen]

no the finished lvl 30 one

but doing that without keeping track is going to confuse you what to level

[naive cloud]

Wait SELL my finished one??

[naive cloud]

I was thinking the same thing lol

[thorny glen]

sounds bad, huh? some people need the weapon space, that's the only reason

[knotty moon]

What I meant is:
Since you have limited slots for claimed weapons (the ones you can equip), but not for how many are there in Tuvalkane "Claim" tab, you could use that to free your slot for newer weapons and still have it ready in case you want to use it in the future.

[naive cloud]

OH I get you, and then if I feel like using it I’d have to just claim the second one from Tuvalkane and relevel it?

[sly escarp]

The fact you get spare fragments has been a longstanding complaint, and might be why DE is looking at adding some rng to drops with p15. Your eight hundredth Vasp fragment doesn't feel great, but one with a cool perk roll might be worth a second look at least.

[thorny glen]

nice guess on my wasp collection

[hollow portal]

is the infinite room in the glades no longer infinite? they seem to stop spawning after about 15=20 waves

[sly matrix]

Orlick giving me impossible choices... Can't decide on a name for my Journal... It probably has next to no effect on gameplay, but I still can't decide xD

[iron temple]

Do you have to do anything special to get that to start?

[naive cloud]

Kk thank you for the help xD I’ve been so confused for ages and I was like fine screw it imma just ask people who are smarter than me at this game xD

[sly escarp]

Capped at 20 waves, yes

[thorny glen]

its called infinite because people can duplicate it via partyshare

[fallow arch]

what to start?

[sly escarp]

It's called infinite because it used to be infinite

[fallow arch]

I aint found shit

[sly escarp]

The general name is Arena these days

[thorny glen]

yea i know

but we might as well start not calling it that for that reason

[naive cloud]

I see, yeah that’s good to know xD

[iron temple]

To get that thing to complete to show up. I assume it is on the locations section?

[fallow arch]

no idea, I'm even wearing the pensive armor but I cant find the motes

[thorny glen]

they really spoiled us with that armor scaling

[wet tulip]

dayum yea thats quite the theory and you might be right with your results

[fallow arch]

where/when are the motes in this dungeon?

[wet tulip]

guess ill jump on the dungeon testing too since thats all that left for me to get

[zenith knoll]

where: in one of the two main rooms of the tileset (where the wazzard appears)
when: can be immediately upon arriving in the room, OR after a variable amount of time

[thorny glen]

we talking about the fallen tower dungeon on the southeast?

[wet tulip]

ill do 10 dungeon runs and share my results with the same tactic you used @zenith knoll

[iron temple]

I haven't encountered any motes either and I farmed Lyke-Wake the hard way on preludes 14 launch. I've spent about 15 hours in that place...😅

[fallow arch]

gotta say nope on both, I'm wearing the armor and just dont see shit

[zenith knoll]

wear the pensive set without glamour then log out/in

before going in the dungeon

[wet tulip]

ya ive seen what you wrote

[iron temple]

I wonder if they spawn on the outside?

[thorny glen]

whats glamour?

[zenith knoll]

the cosmetic system from verminia

[iron temple]

Oh so the spawn inside?😅

[wet tulip]

the other armor types as a skin

[thorny glen]

ah

[zenith knoll]

inside the dungeon, yeah

[thorny glen]

no wonder why i forgot what its called

[zenith knoll]

the name appears fully translated on the map from the start but there are 9 motes to collect

[thorny glen]

9 motes in the dungeon alone?

[zenith knoll]

yeah

[thorny glen]

wow

wazzard has been busy

[iron temple]

Is it only in room 1 & 2, or in room 3, the boss room, too? Also I assume they don't spawn in the corridors?

[zenith knoll]

personally i've only had them in either room 1 or 2, never elsewhere

[fallow arch]

9 nonexistent motes

[zenith knoll]

though it's a possibility

[wet tulip]

yea and belgo getting them all with 10 dungeon runs does seem like the theory is right since if it doesnt its way off to be a coincidence xD

[iron temple]

Oh thanks, I guess I can use the teleport stone then! 😄

[wet tulip]

why ill do the test too and see if theres a change

[fallow arch]

I'll relog...

[wet tulip]

cuz ive been trying to farm the moths for like 2 days now and 0 xD

[fallow arch]

needing to relog while wearing an armor is very dumb

[thorny glen]

the new dagger is also in that dungeon drop?

[zenith knoll]

i farmed a little during hotfix 2 and got zero, seems like they fixed something in hotfix 3 related to that

[iron temple]

Is this new since the latest hotfix 3? My 15 hours were on hotfix 1... 😅🤔

[zenith knoll]

presumably yeah, got all 9 motes in hotfix 3

give it a shot when you're able and see what turns up

[fallow arch]

I'm assuming they broke it after the last hotfix

[wet tulip]

wish me luck first dungeon entry xD

[thorny glen]

my courage build would never

[iron temple]

I'm running around with the Orengall glow in my eyes, lol! 😄

I'm using Knight of Paladine prism with Juniper & Witan on Orengall for this mote hunting exercise! 😄

[knotty moon]

Second run, third mote.
The time delay is fairly significant, would suggest waiting a couple of minutes in a room before moving on, or backtracking after killing the Wyrm.

[thorny glen]

motes need time to spawn now?

[iron temple]

Oh thx! 😄

[thorny glen]

darn

[zenith knoll]

in the dungeon at least, yes

[knotty moon]

I'm still half convinced those motes are a bug.

[thorny glen]

so all these 9 motes, are they just for the journal and account xp?

[fallow arch]

they are

[wet tulip]

BRUH

first run with pensive armor

hoooly SHET the theory might actually be correct

[knotty moon]

🤷‍♂️
Dunno about account exp, but the lore unlocks...

[thorny glen]

oh the things we do for completion

[quick quartz]

does anyone have a map of the shipwreck duel locations?

[vital hollow]

Hey all, does anyone know how to get to this area? Things are spawning there, including a mote that was close enough to snipe. I thought it might have something to do with the chains so I pulled them every run but still nothing.

[fallow arch]

where though

[wet tulip]

second main room

[fallow arch]

finally

[wet tulip]

you know how theres always 2 main rooms first one always has knights. and second sometimes got knights only and sometimes its the wyrm and knights

mine was with wyrm and knights

now idk how its saved or not

[fallow arch]

ye but both needing a relog + the armor is just so annoying

[wet tulip]

but i pull 2 times but didnt see its saved ill check if relogging saving them

[wet tulip]

relogging was always a moth refresher though

without relogging you would need to wait a full ingame day for moths to respawn

yup first dungeon run i found 2 in the same room

[zenith knoll]

i don't know if it's actually needed, i just assumed these motes worked the same as town motes where they only respawn after a relog or some time

[wet tulip]

relogging gonna walk to dungeon again

[zenith knoll]

relogging should fix it yeah

[wet tulip]

yup they appeared after relog

this very well looks promising

because i can confirm i did some dungeon runs TODAY without pensive armor and found 0 moths

and here i did first dungeon entry with pensive and found 2 off the bat

[zenith knoll]

so the "clue" is actually one for real now then

before hotfix 3 this method didn't work at all, at least for me

[wet tulip]

so they might have shadow fixed it xD

[fallow arch]

really hope this doesnt require a relog per run

[wet tulip]

you do

relog refresh moths

[zenith knoll]

did you confirm it?

[wet tulip]

its a known knowledge for the world moths

[knotty moon]

They also spawn in this room, not just the big columns rooms.

[wet tulip]

either wait full ingame day for them to respawn or relog

[zenith knoll]

yeah but maybe the dungeon ones work differently

either way glad it works for more people

[fallow arch]

world ye, but these are in a dungeon

[wet tulip]

gonna do second run now

if i find a mote ill try to reenter without reloging to see if i get more moths

[tepid chasm]

I just got a mote withotu using pensives set, so that's not needed

[wet tulip]

nobody claiming you must wear pensive. the theory is pensive increase the chances

[tepid chasm]

ah

[zenith knoll]

i did assume the pensive set was mandatory but they're the second person to prove me wrong

maybe it's simply a chance increase then yeah

[fallow arch]

I mean...

[knotty moon]

If it is intended, the first one is rare and unlocks the Location, which then gives the hint about the set.

[wet tulip]

second run found 1 first big room