gameplay-discussion

[grand island]

Well no matter how many times i do it nothing happens and more enemies come in to interrupt me

Nothing is explained once again

[late patio]

aim at the glowy things then shoot by pressing the buttons in order, it could be bugged in which case just relog and it should be fixed

[zenith knoll]

it's not rhythm based, just aim at the glowing spots on the tower and press the buttons in order, you have (technically) infinite time to do so so long as enemies don't come to attack you

[late patio]

you can also shoot the enemies as they come using the same method

[grand island]

Yeah i just now figured that out

I guess im kinda stupid for not thinking i could aim it

[zenith knoll]

it's not explained but you can guess what you're meant to do i'd say

[wind ether]

even though people are saying the new dungeon is bugged in multiplayer .i got my first shield drop with my friend on his first run ...so idk .

[zenith knoll]

come back when you get the second one 🤨

[wind ether]

i got mine a few minute ago.

basically 2 drops in a matter of hourss

[zenith knoll]

son of a

oh wait, hours

[wind ether]

nah man i got my second after farming for 45 mins or so

[grand island]

Does night time cover the map in the fog?

[wind ether]

no

[grand island]

Ok so my map is just bugged

[wind ether]

no , you gotta uncover the areas by finding the world trees if you hvnt already

[grand island]

I have gotten around 7 of them

And sometimes the map just gets covered

[dusky socket]

Yes, it's a known P14 bug that the map likes to cover itself in fog, even in the areas that you've already unlocked with World Trees

[grand island]

Alrght

[dusky socket]

Hasn't happened to me, but I assume certain things may or may not affect when it happens, and when it fixes itself

[grand island]

It would happen right after i revive a tree

[dusky socket]

And does going into Nightfold fix it? Or relogging? Or maybe entering/exiting a dungeon? Does it continue to happen randomly/continuously, or is it just when you unlock a new tree?

Just curious so I know what to tell other people

[grand island]

Restarting the game fixes it

[dusky socket]

Annoying haha, but good to know

[alpine root]

I feel like rapiers are good in practice, but fall kinda flat when you take into account that the long sword tree is already bloated, and doesn't mesh well with rapiers. I think if they had a separate skill tree, focused fully on capitalizing on dodging, riposting, and parrying, it would make the weapon flow better and be more effective than M1slop

Also for rapiers they feel pretty... sluggish? And clunky, but i think thats an issue with the combat system as a whole rn, and has been brought up before

[dusky socket]

100% agree. Would be nice to have a weapon grip with much stronger parry capability, much higher dmg on Spectre Strike

[gusty sky]

I don't really think the issue is that they're categorized as a longsword (and longsword itself already is one that does give more parry than other options).

Though, they're not touching the trees as they are, as they're reworking them completely

And while it is true we have massive amounts of longsword, eventually because of the nature of things, we're going to have that happen to other weapon types too.

[alpine root]

Also annoys me that the greatsword has these wide swings... with about as much enemy density in encounters as a level 1 mission in warframe when using a stealth frame

[gusty sky]

There's areas that do have a few to sweep. Usually particular encounters like the sieges.

[iron temple]

Interpreting feel and functionality of weapons while under the altering effects of Duelo pact buffs has been interesting... 😅🤔

[gusty sky]

like the dodge, or?

[waxen flower]

Duelo has one pact ability

gun

[alpine root]

I'm to believe that if the enemy density was cranked up in a few spots either it'd go over swimmingly, or terribly

I personally would love to be swarmed and need to actually use my moveset other than w+m1 like im a phlog pyro

[iron temple]

It feels like trying to analize the correctness of a mathproof while being in a tank of soup being shot into orbit with a coil gun... 😅 very fast, very impactful (wow I can out maneuver things a bit too well), and somewhat blurry roller coaster messy... 😅

[gusty sky]

I'd say the weakest is the spirit, but that's not too bad, slowing enemies and buffing people. The two is just an overal damage boon though that makes everything including the gun hit harder.

[waxen flower]

True but the slow messes up with my parry timings so much I just dislike it

[alpine root]

The slows in the game make me feel like im running on brain latency

[gusty sky]

Well, don't use the slow, it is the one I said is the weakest

[waxen flower]

It's not so bad, since they're so slowed I can just move but still

[waxen flower]

Trueee

Grace ability is mega fun but I don't like how they changed the vfx from the devtalk to live. Now it just looks like you have a guy following you around

Courage is gun and gun rhymes with fun

[alpine root]

Also for some reason in multi-player you can target the guy lol

[waxen flower]

Yeahh it's super annoying

[smoky haven]

does anyone know if theres a way to break these boxes?

[waxen flower]

Collector event

[smoky haven]

i know they break when you finish the collector, but they're also just around these camps

[waxen flower]

Yeah but you can't break them afaik

[gusty sky]

at camps they're just decoration

[iron temple]

Does anyone know if Duelo 3 "Duel Duelo" pact ability buffs smite chance? I've been getting a ridiculous amount of smiting going on and it seems a bit much to just be my really nice weapons (smite totem plus tooltip at 7 to 9 (because of combat arts))... Sometimes I have something like a 5 streak of chain smites meaning about the whole encounter... 😅

[jagged pilot]

how does the sword for duello refight spawn? like world reset or every 30 minutes like other bosses?

[waxen flower]

Indirectly but it does yes

[iron temple]

Oh, what route?

[gusty sky]

you hit every enemy twice per hit, (since you hit, then the clone) so that's likely why.

[waxen flower]

Your clone hits with the same weapon as you with the same smite chance

[alpine root]

Double the attacks so i assume double the chance? Probably not that much but

[waxen flower]

It's pretty significant

[alpine root]

Half of my clones abilities just whiff so

[iron temple]

Oh so with things like Dewelion, it is a big deal? 😄

[alpine root]

I just use it for the double flyblade ring

[gusty sky]

Things that hit fast, I suppose.

[waxen flower]

I want to try with howl as well

You'll probably get all the smites in the world

[gusty sky]

Mix it with gun, shoot two guns at once.

[waxen flower]

Rune procs as well

Are casted twice

[iron temple]

Which also begs both for and against adding a smite duration totem if the extra slot was available... 😅

[waxen flower]

Honestly just use it to refill the grace ability so you can cast it perma

And unlock/ Max the health regen node and soulsteal heal

[alpine root]

Honestly smite as a mechanic is pretty weird already since its barley explained what it even does or how to do it (at least when i did the tutorial god knows how long ago it didn't)

I remember having to look up what "glowing red idiot enemy meant to figure out i had to actually do something

[waxen flower]

I skipped through the new orlick quests pretty fast but I feel like I've seen a lot of mentions of smites so probably better now(?)

[iron temple]

The Paladin in me is just like "This is the way!" 🤣🥰🎉

[alpine root]

Yeah but a new player will likely not be using the proper weaponry to proc consistent smites

So it'll take significantly longer

[zenith knoll]

"Come, maggot, to the Rovgot ruins of--" GIVE ME MY LAST FRAGMENT

[waxen flower]

Yeah it's also written very weirdly instead of a percentage it's like 7 in 25

Just give me a percentage

[alpine root]

Idk why it isnt percentage

[iron temple]

With 7 being a prime number, on weapons like Gathannan or Basker's Wrest (4 innate plus 3 from combat arts)), it says 7 out of 100!... 🤣😅

[alpine root]

You have a 53/82 percent chance of doing 1% extra damage to this one enemy on a Tuesday before noon

[iron temple]

But the thing is there are several 2nd roll or whatever smite totems, that don't show up on the tooltip, with crazy fractions... 😅

1 in 13 or 1 in 20... etc

[alpine root]

Whoever decided fractions belonged in the game needs to be publicly dumped in ode'n sludge

[iron temple]

So good luck doing math with 2 fractions... 😄

[iron temple]

Oh not just dunked, fractionally dunked twice... 🤣😅

[smoky crater]

hmmmm.... yeeeeeees

[iron temple]

Do the 3 "rapiers" (Navalha, Espadarte, & Dewelion) have the same timing, animation, and usability?

I'm trying to figure out if I should keep all 3 or not lol... (of course Dewelion is a keeper on stats alone)...

[sinful scarab]

WITH THE POWER OF THE SUN!

[smoky crater]

[alpine root]

I believe so. Until they give weappns unique effects at least

Atm a lot are just the same weapon but this time in green/blue/red flavor

[gusty sky]

not realy even in RGB flavor anymore since the unified grip type thing (while they share the same 'tree' rapiers are a different 'grip'...)

[iron temple]

"grip" has me thinking "GRB" alt ordering of "RGB"... 😅

[verbal nebula]

not Dewelion

It's more a longsword with special animation than a rapier

imo

[grand island]

alright time to find a ton of squirrels

[gusty sky]

the light combo, riposte and block are the rapier, it has a heavy that only it and the vetch have, and it has the longsword throw, and front/backstab animations

[topaz robin]

do you know if hot fix 2 fully finished updating dewelions move set it was like half and half after first fix

[gusty sky]

I'm pretty sure that is intentional because it is the originator of the heavy attack shared with the vetch-

the only animation I really would want changed is the throw because the throw poses for rapier blocking and non rapier blocking are way different

[topaz robin]

maybe your right but when it was given the rapire movset cause it do look like a FENCING SWORD the heavy and throw not changing throws the weapon play style off i can tuse it now

also new heavyt lunges forward giving you a gap closer

so yeah either its bugged or its ment to be a cross betrween the 2 in witch case ill just use esperdart

[gusty sky]

...Well again, it is the originator of that heavy, that's kinda like, one of its things, like how the marrows bane is a cleaver and ETC.

[topaz robin]

as the rapires finishers are most op opns in game

[topaz robin]

originator but as it seems do to the rapire update that might not have been the intention for the sword now only updates will tell if it changes more or not

[gusty sky]

I don't think it needs to be genericized to use the other rapier's heavies, I think it's fine with it's own really...

Again, really only one I can understand being changed to the rapier further, is the throw because of how different the poses are

[topaz robin]

if they upgrade the finisher to not be the original ls one i might be okay with that cause old ls finisher dont fit with new pose either

[gusty sky]

I don't really think so? It's a stab with two hands sure, but so is the heavy, and it's not like it takes a big movement to get to a two handed thing

[topaz robin]

its a huge dps drop. i mean if there goal was to make the weapon worse they did cause with the update its finisher now does like 50% less damage then it did wile not changing its move set for it. i only even noticed because before p14 it was my main weapon with w grace build but lose some of its nuking potential. i switched to the new weaker in damager per hit because they have less damage but do way more. so either like i said its bugged intential or not but like i cross between the vecth and rapire is not so great. id use one or ther other or they just need to add another skill tree and split up the long swords into fencing swords curved swords and long swords. 3 catagorys for the 3 typoes of weapons stuffed into long swords

[gusty sky]

So you just care about it being the biggest strongest damage dealer, not the actual aesthetics fitting, gotcha.

two different arguments.

[topaz robin]

the estetic dont feel right either

your animations slow down on the throw heavy and finisher like they are out of place

same could be said for the colrage grace ls form the mockaries that has a super cool move set but is different for like every other long sword

[gusty sky]

And I've already said, yes, the throw should change because the pose, but no, the stab isn't. Could they speed up the front stab? Sure! But the backstab? That's already fast and matches just fine with the heavy

[topaz robin]

did they change the back stab then

[gusty sky]

The only issue is that longsword base front stab could use a speeding up across the board

[topaz robin]

most of my finishers are front side

[gusty sky]

no they didn't, it's the same one it has always had

[topaz robin]

as front armopur breaks are way more dpos

and rapire front finishers have 4 marks of damage now with duelio its 8 ticks with mistygyle breaking armour and pull site doing 300 stagger damage you just 1 shot anything for 8 ticks oif damage between 400-1200

[gusty sky]

Which is you stab 'em with a two handed stab, and you pull it out. Front you stab in gut, and push them off with grasp on the shoulder, I don't think these are aesthetically clashing with a sword that already has a two handed stab as one thing it has done since it was brought into existence.

[topaz robin]

that feels more suted to vetch tho. as that sword looks like a knights sword or lord of the rings. dewelion looks like an elven blade ment to be flashy an dhave faster attacks not slow stabs

[gusty sky]

...It's a two handed stab, doesn't mean it's a slow stab.

Generally you just don't like that it doesn't have the ultimate mega super damage buff stacker 9000 finisher and like, okay I guess, but I don't feel that it's clashing as it's had the stab portion as part of its identity from the start.

[topaz robin]

2 handed stab on a 1 handed sword without room to even hol dwith 2 hands properly

have you sen the hand grip

its litteraly a single handed designed grip

[gusty sky]

they seem to be able to two hand it just finnnee.. And other swords that share the same backstab of a two handed stab generally have the same grip size too

[topaz robin]

they are holding one hand on top of the other it looks so wrong if you know anything about sword fighting

[alpine root]

Thats definitely a hybrid grip anyway lol

[topaz robin]

that extra space on the handle is to use as a back handed gaurd and or over head swing for more downward force

not for stabbing

as you would get more force from a mopving stab then a standing 2 hand one

but more downward force on a two handed swing

[gusty sky]

so if you don't like the animation as a whole it should be removed from the vetch too then, hmn?

[topaz robin]

its fits vtech

[gusty sky]

Make the vetch just another basic longsword?

[topaz robin]

vtech is a middle aged erra knights sword with a english nights move set

[alpine root]

Extra grip length was used for MANY different things lol, the two you mentioned were not nearly the only things an elongated grip was used for

[topaz robin]

dewelion is a fey sword ewvlen glade of nature they wouldnt fight with as humans knights moveset

[gusty sky]

The vetch is a longsword that presently only stands out because it uses the same heavy as the dewelion.

[topaz robin]

vetech should be unique as its the only ls that looks like it woul dbe weighted properly as well

vetch

is one of my favs as an indivigual and never even understood why dewelion fought like it as it dont fit that style at alll

[gusty sky]

I mean, you did have an issue with hands being ontop of eachother also, so you're fine with knights holding a hand over another?

Knight swords can have that?

[topaz robin]

fire knight sword should have a sweaping heavy

and an over head crash

theres a few things i like and dislike but i know they can only do so much at once

[alpine root]

Only greatswords should have sweeps by your logic, as thats the way they were designed irl

[topaz robin]

my favorite moveset for the swords is the mockaries curved sword not tessard the other one.

<gs heavy needs work

as a heavy gs slash should have downword force

normal moveset for gs is amazing and done very well

heavy needs change thats all

[gusty sky]

Also, 'vetch should be unique' when the only reason it's unique in the realm of courage swords is because they already had a stab made with the dewelion in the first place, it took a while for them to port it back. For a decent portion of it existing, it was just a basic longsword nothing special.

[alpine root]

It really isnt? Its sluggish, slow, and only more like a baseball bat being swung than an actual sword

[topaz robin]

well now between long and short swords there 6 different fighting styles and weapons so we need new skill trees and not a lv 70 ls is the main point i was getting at

[gusty sky]

You know that's going to happen to other movesets aswell as they get more weapons, (ignoring that they're completely reworking the trees with a new system entirely)

[topaz robin]

yeah im aware played alot of war frame and was a melee user primarly so yeah i know how the compoany likes to do things

[topaz robin]

and thats more acurate then most games. watch guts anime one time.

[thorny cargo]

is it possible to make a 2nd envoy or am i just being dumb? cant seem to find account control anywhere after logging in

[alpine root]

??? Its not more accurate or less accurate than any game lol

[gusty sky]

You can email them to reset your account, but otherwise, no.

[alpine root]

Its equally bad

[thorny cargo]

ty good sir!

[gusty sky]

From a gameplay perspective I'm perfectly fine with greatsword being a big sweeping weapon, like, yes, not the most realistic thing, but it's a vidyuh, I think it's okay for artistic liberties to be taken for it to be its own thing, and helps that it does hit hard enough for said speed to not be the biggest of hinderances.

[alpine root]

My issue is how slow gs is initially

And how your character just stops it in its tracks on some moves

(Compared to the funny warframe spin that will make you dizzy)

[gusty sky]

So you want the squirrel speed to be the default?

[alpine root]

If the moveset flowed better the slowness would be fine i think

Or if your character used the momentum

Feels a bit floaty

Gs moveset currently feels like something a longsword should have, not a greatsword

I imagine the moveset will be reworked along with a lot of other weapons, but more spins to carry momentum would make it flow better

[gusty sky]

Presently I'm using greatsword the obviously very intended way.

why? Funne

[normal sail]

btw todays envoy hour is with the main weapon/combat designer, Joe Buck, if you guys wanna prod him with questions/possible requests for weapons

-# or live feedback*

[alpine root]

Also dewelion is more like a bastard/hand and half sword

Not a rapier

[topaz robin]

lol this is funny

[past drift]

Duelo dodges can proc backstabs??

[gusty sky]

the decoy opens them up to backstab finishers, yes.

[junior goblet]

how to capture mockery?? ...as they dont behave like other enemies...i mean they never leave smite

[alpine root]

Bows, gets shot

[gusty sky]

that's the low quality vid

high quality vid

[past drift]

Gotta try that.

My current Duelo build is a mage with the bonus spell: gun

[topaz robin]

dewelion is a saber with a hand gaurd

[gusty sky]

their ghost counts as smite for other purposes, but doesn't function for hte codex, is listed on the patch notes that they know it's an issue

[gusty sky]

watch the high quality vid to see duelo fight where only hit I take is kick where I just backstab

bugs out her cutscene

[alpine root]

Dewelion doesn't even have a curved blade though? It's a straight blade with a curved tip

[normal sail]

its funny bugging out the cutscene ngl

[topaz robin]

the bottum sword is wrong i just to lazy to edit pics

[smoky haven]

feels good to be able to immediately turn this in

because it's SO much work to do it

[normal sail]

i knocked her flintlock out of her hand instead of the rapier

[topaz robin]

looks like a saber with a handle gaurd

esterdart also looks like a saber with a gaurd and so does nahavallha

not one looks like the rapire you posted

[alpine root]

That isnt a rapier

[topaz robin]

they are going for pirtate sabers and fencing not traditional and pirete fenced with sabers

[alpine root]

Its a bastard sword/hand-and-a-half sword

[topaz robin]

its not

[alpine root]

It literally IS

[topaz robin]

not even ropmotly close

no read blade descritption

its not lmao

bastard sword looks like the vecht

nothing like dewelion

[alpine root]

A Bastard or Hand-and-a-Half Sword, Swiss, mid-16th Century

Original blackened hilt. The blade of hexagonal cross-section having a ricasso struck with a maker's mark. The upper flat part of the blade engraved with ornamental decoration.

Overall length: 50.8" (129 cm); Blade length: 37.2" (94.5 cm)

Located at Reichsstadtmuseum Rothenburg, Germany

[topaz robin]

no your describeing these

also closer to the dewelion then what yopur posting and nothing like a bastard sword

[opal fable]

how do you prevent your journal from losing progress?

[alpine root]

Its LITERALLY the description on the sword at the museum

I guess museums are wrong now lol

[topaz robin]

is a standard rapire fencing sword

[gusty sky]

what they posted is closer, the dewelion just has one end of the tip split and lowered down, the saber you posted is single edged.

[topaz robin]

is a 16th centry sword from a museum

[gusty sky]

it's a double edged sword with a forked tip, just one fork is much lower than the other.

[alpine root]

German longsword btw

[topaz robin]

<the german long sword from the 16 centry is called the arming sword

[gusty sky]

Honestly, the dewelion kinda looks like the halo energy sword if it had a straight grip and if you continued to rip the fork apart on it to the right width for an energy sword.

[topaz robin]

and the germans made ver intercate handles and also fenced with those swords

[alpine root]

(Wallace Collection A.485 for those who want to check)

[topaz robin]

the germans have always made beautiful crafts

[alpine root]

Gothic Hand-and-a-half Sword, German or Swiss, circa 1490-1500

[topaz robin]

dewelion is designed after the elven long swords of lotr

at leats most similar too

[gusty sky]

????? none of the LOTR swords for elven ones look anything like the dewelion...

[topaz robin]

not anything historicly acurafte at all

with a hand gaurd basicly same blade

[gusty sky]

Yeah I don't know where you're getting LOTR

[alpine root]

Bait used to be believable

[gusty sky]

And not basically the same blade, that's a single edge

the energy sword from halo has more in common with the dewelion than that

[topaz robin]

bust be blind as this is a single edged sword the top hgalf would be dull

[alpine root]

Literally, with the dual piece blade that joins near the pommel

Argumentum ad hominem spotted

Alright this was fun

[gusty sky]

the top half is modeled just as sharp as the bottom... So unless you're saying that both ends are dull-

[alpine root]

(I'm the blind one btw)

[gusty sky]

which gives me more credit for using the stabbing motions

therefor I win

[topaz robin]

looks only sharp at the second tip not the wole way down

[gusty sky]

Yes the whole way down.

[topaz robin]

thats an angle ive neever seen tho nice use of photo mode

but the whole sword looks dull now

either way its a fary tale sword

[topaz robin]

A Fey warrior's gloryblade. Dewelion is a word of the ancient Fey tongue. It means something like 'horizon;' a confluence of opposites; where day and night may meet. For a human steelsinger to have sung these delicate pieces back to former glory... An impossible confluence indeed.

description would impliy its like an ancient blade of royalty a glory blade was typically made for kings and did have cutting edges on both sides all of the blades of glory where made unique to the weilders fashine so we could all just be wrong

[gusty sky]

Or maybe DE wanted a twin forked sword to retain the unique heavy they designed for it because it still fits even with a rapier moveset.

[alpine root]

I'll tune into the devstream and ask about the design philosophy of some weapons if i can

If i cant due to work would you @gusty sky ?

[topaz robin]

im currious what thje devs have to say

[gusty sky]

Busy asking about if crossbows can be used to beat a man's face in.

[alpine root]

I mean

Yeah its a big piece of wood at the end of the day

A gun can be used to beat a man up too

[gusty sky]

no, I meant when they add it as a weapon to soulframe

[topaz robin]

cross bows comming?

gonna really feel like dark souls soon

[gusty sky]

since they said they want us to have them, showed off a model forever ago, and that model now sits infront of a castle textured

plus concept art of ode enemies with ode crossbows

it's like an odaic on a crossbow body sorta looking thing.

[topaz robin]

ima just wait till we get a huge multi stage boss then we will have dark souls in soul frame 😛 wyrm was a good start if they had it evolvce into something bigger 😛

[dim prism]

is there better set for grace than orengall set?

[topaz robin]

idts currently

tho at mastery lv 17 you can use any of the paragon virtures and have 15 spirt for the deulio set

[dim prism]

i c thx

[opal fable]

i wonder when they are gonna nerf the mestro set

[cloud palm]

Ngl I wish 4th abilities came back

Kinda lame that instead of nerfing the "exalted" bow they outright removed 4th abilities

No ultimates on a fantasy RPG feels... Wrong

[patent palm]

wait sirin passive is not working on new shield/sword to farm?

[hidden hollow]

guys is the lykewake move set the same as other S&S weps

[sinful scarab]

explain this

[knotty imp]

DO NOT THE RAT LADY

[normal sail]

someone got fed up with “eek! your… aura is showing”

[full hearth]

Now it's the flintlock that's showing

[normal sail]

tbh it does feel like this hotfix used some unreliable adhesive to stick lol

[gusty sky]

Alot of the old passives in general aren't working

[minor owl]

How drop Lyke Wake pls ? ( new shield ) ?

[regal shadow]

mendicant knights inside the new rovgot ruins dungeon (fallen skytower in new viscii, south east corrupted swamp)

[carmine cypress]

Hey guys, could you help me out? I've already run the new dungeon many times trying to get the shield with the sword, but none of the monsters there have appeared in the new catalog added with the patch. Why is this happening?

[minor owl]

I've had literally 0 drops for the last 30 minutes...

[regal shadow]

yeah, drops are pretty bad, apparently last hotfix did increase them a bit but idk how noticeable it is

[regal shadow]

enemies get added to the journal when you smite them several times

[carmine cypress]

I did that a lot...

[normal sail]

i think someone said in general chat it took them 3.5h of rovgot before they got a fragment

dunno if it was the first or second fragment

[pine adder]

The priblem with lyke isnt the droprate its that only the static spawns drop the item not the ones that spawn as you progress

[regal shadow]

yeah, codex may very well be bugged considering it's brand new, who knows

[pine adder]

Witch compounds the low droprate issue

Because you just straight up get less trys

[regal shadow]

yeah, makes sense

[sly escarp]

Codex has a known bug where when you relog it only adds 1 to each entry you smited last time, regardless of how many smites you actually did

[final rock]

is the new shield dropped by the new dungeon boss or somewhere else?

[normal sail]

mendicant knights, but only the ones who are presently standing in the tiles, not the ones who shoot up from the ground

[final rock]

ah

[vestal crystal]

Fixed i think! I just relogged and kept my two entry charges!

[sly escarp]

Hurrah!

[carmine cypress]

I think all knights shoot up from ground

[sly escarp]

In the dungeon, some don't

Only they can drop Lyke Wake atm

[opal fable]

in the second combat room they have static spawns

[normal sail]

adding on, apparently is also not limited to the already spawned ones who explicitly wield LykeWake but the other variants aswell

so the 2h cleaver can still drop a frag

[halcyon thicket]

the ones that dropped it for me don't even have the SnS, just the big cleaver

[opal fable]

ive gotten a shield fragment from a 2 handed boi

[inner prawn]

so i just did miri siege without dying but left some enemies alive and got B rank but somehow got espadarte fragment

even though patch says its from rank A

[sly escarp]

Yep, seems to be bugged.

[opal fable]

maybe ui bug?, ive had an S rank where only got 248 siege xp

[sly escarp]

It may be possible it's the rank indicator, and when you get A it shows B by mistake.

[lament path]

It could also be raised chances if you hit a particular rank

They didn't exactly explain how the drops worked

[inner prawn]

possibly, as i expected to get A not B

[sly escarp]

Doubt it, haven't heard of anyone getting Espardee on S rank

[opal fable]

the journal says that you need to rank up the mestres pact to learn more about her, is this a thing already?

[hot oriole]

what's the best rapier right now?

[gusty sky]

Dewelion has the highest scaling, but has its own heavy and uses the greatsword front and backstab +throw anim. The light attacks are the rapier ones though.

if you want the best pure unadulterated rapier, the one from the siege, the pirate cutlass.

[knotty moon]

Nope, same as all other Pacts, this is not implemented yet.

[carmine cypress]

question about miri siege... i am doing solo and slow, that's why i need to kill all mobs...as a result i got silistave & Dewelion .... should i die one time to get Espadarte?

[opal fable]

when i die i always get a B

[lament path]

Leave some enemies behind, though dying once and getting a B doesn't seem to remove chances for Espadarte

[hollow portal]

Does anyone know if this door is accessible in the glades?
it shines with spectral sight but can't figure out what to do with it

[sinful scarab]

yes, a puzzle kinda

[dusky socket]

There are some square stone buttons you have to hit, 3 of them. One is to the right of the door, the other is to the left, a bit farther and around the inner bend of rock, and the third is behind and to the right on the adjacent cliff face behind a tree with a mockery at the base. Hit all three quickly enough, and the door will open

[flat palm]

What can I do if the deer quest tells me to use a rune, but I haven't been given one? And it won't let me repeat the quest either.

[zenith knoll]

you can get some from many dungeon bosses and various other activities

theyre pretty easy to get too save for a couple specific ones

[patent palm]

does this new wyrm boss only drop new weapon once a day or smth? on my first run i got it but after like 30 run none (same we lyke)

[gloomy hazel]

Cenotaph (from Wyrm) dropped fully after continuous attempts - got like 15 Nettles , then one CT, one more Nettle , antd the last 2 CT-Fragments

[digital tangle]

Psst

[patent palm]

lucky im on my 33. neetle xd

[gloomy hazel]

GoodLuck, soon you will have another LS, yay!

[obsidian drift]

How do i get the 2nd fragment ?

[knotty moon]

Since when it requires two?
I don't believe it is possible.

[obsidian drift]

Well i dunno what to tell you i got all the trees and went to check the craft and this is what is showing. I even relogged in lol

[knotty moon]

🤷‍♂️
https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224825113120788

[obsidian drift]

damn

[finite stone]

bro got Duhked

[sour garnet]

You guys are getting fragments? I'm getting like 32 dracs per kill

[patent palm]

you have to run around where it died xd have to pick it up

[sour garnet]

Nothing has been dropping for me, rip

[plucky gull]

does someone know if the dodge bug is fixed i coudnt find it in the list but maybe i just missed it

[knotty moon]

Dodge bug?
Duelo's?

[gusty sky]

no, not tied to duelo

dodges sometimes eat up attack inputs after, still is happening

[plucky gull]

oh is it with all classes i only played duelo so i only noticed it with him

ah damn sadge

[gusty sky]

Duelo itself doesn't seem to be the cause of the dodge bug, I've had it happen with OSC

[plucky gull]

aaaah i thought the spawning of the clones maybe caused it

[knotty moon]

Uh, I could have sworn it was working correctly with Oscelda.
Oh well.

[gusty sky]

It's not a consistent bug

it sometimes happens, it sometimes doesn't same on duelo, though duelo if you do it right, you can ignore the bug by focusing backstabs

because the backstab input overrides the thing that overrides your normal attack

[plucky gull]

aaaaah good to know aswell didnt even know the clones triggerd the backstab option

[gusty sky]

they do! You should try it sometime.

[plucky gull]

ty very much <3

[proper crystal]

what is up with armour, i feel so squishy

using bromius 3 doesn't seem to do anything

[tight trout]

Mostly gotta dodge homie

The dodge mechanics are crazy OP if you use them at the right directions

[proper crystal]

so dodge or get oneshot by basic enemies?

because that's what just happened to me

[knotty moon]

Armor totem can help, they do apply even from the secondary weapon. (though right now they are not displayed in the total)

What's your armors values like?

[proper crystal]

i don't think 10 armour is gonna do much chief

[knotty moon]

Magic is kinda on the low side.

[proper crystal]

which would be relevant if it was a magic attack

[knotty moon]

Would try putting a couple of Ducks and see if it makes a difference.

What did one-shot you?

[proper crystal]

one of the grunts in mirifuir

[knotty moon]

Were you affected by the burning debuff?

[river elk]

so that is why lightneing cuts me in half, no magic defense.

[proper crystal]

what does burning do?

[knotty moon]

Dot and, I think lowers your armor.

[proper crystal]

well i assume it can't make it negative

because even if i had zero armour he hit me for 315 damage in a single swing

[knotty moon]

That is a bold assumption to be making.

Considering it is a lvl40 enemy it does stand to reason if you were utterly deprived of armor, which still sounds overtuned to be fair.

[proper crystal]

wiki says 50% reduction

so he did 340 damage in a single hit

[runic hare]

how can i get a key guys?

[proper crystal]

watch dev stream

[placid condor]

Question with P14's release and armor.
I just jumped on my Bromius build and noticed my normally 124 armor is much less (logged off already but I want to say it was at 91 or 92).

Were totems with armor bonuses being counted previously and not any more or was there a stealth nerf to all armor with the virtue requirements being lowered?

None of my stats/pact arts/or gear have changed. Just a flat out lower value than it was in P13.

[knotty moon]

#gameplay-discussion message

Next stream is in 20 min.

[runic hare]

what twitch channel?

[placid condor]

PlaySoulframe

[proper crystal]

exit the menu and reenter

[runic hare]

thx

[placid condor]

Still the same.

[patent palm]

FB1F-6CDB-445C-A967
feel free to try it

[knotty moon]

Remember to link the account.

[runic hare]

thx u boyo 🙂

[tight trout]

If that doesnt work, lmk I got one too

[placid condor]

At work right now, but I can screenshot later.
This is the case with ALL of my builds. I think I can get 1x to break 120 total armor

[proper crystal]

i have 120 and i only have 37 grace

[placid condor]

I was at 124 with no more than 31 Courage.
But as said, ALL of my builds are flat out a lower armor value oddly.

[knotty moon]

I'm fairly sure they didn't, then did, then didn't again, not sure if they fixed it at the end of P13, but they do not now.

[placid condor]

Maybe that's the value that "isn't there" anymore then. Appreciate it. Will keep digging in case I find something else out.

With a polearm alone that removes 25 armor rating if my totems aren't counted so that could be exactly it.

[knotty moon]

My build doesn't seem to have had a drastic reduction.

[upper osprey]

good afternoon envoys, i got a question... lots of my codex entries needs deepen bond with.. for example: lady deora avakot. this is on their faction or not? cause im lvl 5 and got all the goodies on the shop :c

[knotty moon]

You can ignore that message, it is not implemented.

While Orlick and Verminia do have an hint of it, the message never changes.

[full hearth]

There's no way to deepen most bonds at the moment to get more entries and the text is largely placeholder.

[upper osprey]

garren and bromius says i need to rank up the pact to learn more
but im already 30 with them

but im already 30 with them..

im on a journey to lvl 18 but there is things missing, i know the codex gives exp to lvl up and of course, ranking up weapons and pacts.
i know people who just got the duelo pact and levelled up, and im still half-way to lvl 18. i wish i could find what im missing...

[dusky socket]

Chat, we getting dedicated keybind for Rune Activation

[normal sail]

Soul Mode + Heavy attack

imo good compromise between being able to waste charges on accident and pre-p14

[dusky socket]

Still would be better to just let us bind our own key, not tied to Spectral Sight

[normal sail]

very true.
who knows they might come back to rune activation later on when/if other runes are added that dont vibe well with the spectral-heavy combo

[opal fable]

in the rune compendium there are new runes, are these obtainable yet?

[dusky socket]

No, but can assume they'll be soon-ish

[finite stone]

Hopefully similar to Pull Smite, this new Rune keybind will be configurable

It's waaay better than the lack of choice we have now - but it'd be nice for PC players to just be able to, y'know, press 4 😂

[jagged pilot]

where can i farm dendrit weave?

[wet tulip]

hmmmmm so we got agari faction votives now xD. unfortunately it doesnt spawn. and the agari wasnt on cooldown xD

[echo ridge]

Will the game wipe when it launches?

or it's already rolling

[dusky socket]

Yeah, they bug out a lot where the game doesn't count the previous objective as actually complete, so the boss won't spawn. Have to abandon to get the boss to spawn, but then the Tale is lost

[smoky crater]

plan is no resets

[echo ridge]

thanks

[knotty imp]

attacks on mounts hmm

[proven smelt]

can I do the new fable in coop or is it still buggy?

should I wait another week?

[knotty imp]

i would not risk doing fables in coop

[proven smelt]

it's 1 of the things I HATE about WF not doing story together

I am a HUGE coop pve/in diiscord comms with friends

[dusky socket]

I did it co-op yesterday. Often times the sword spawns for the other person and you have to leave party and join theirs. If host falls off ship and restarts Mestra fight, it will actually just spawn a second one. So a few bugs, but progress was saved so, it wasn't bad

[proven smelt]

ok so wait a week or 2

fair thx R33SEW I appreacute u

I am in no rush so

[dusky socket]

Up to you. It's not going to permanently damage your gameplay or anything if you experience bugs.

You can spawn 10 Mestra at once, though XD

And then you have to kill them all to finish baha. The fight of a lifetime

[knotty imp]

this should be the cogah version lmao

[proven smelt]

OMG

HAHAHAHAHA

[dusky socket]

I had to resort to standing on the bowsprit and just melee throw, at like 2hp

[knotty imp]

amazing

[dusky socket]

But they will damage each other with their gun attacks, which is hilarious

[knotty imp]

i still feel her duels are waaaaay too easy, especially with Duello pact where you can just kinda dodge spam around her and stack bleed, being able to even backstab her lol

[dusky socket]

Yeah, and with high courage you can literally just face tank every hit

[proven smelt]

I'm in wyld oscelda with leveling up seathorn so I solely rely on my 2 friends 2 do the DPS hence my question earlier and I NEVER solo EVER

[dusky socket]

Well Oscelda + staff was good, but now that you're not able to get headshot multiplier with it, it's taken a steep dive lol

[knotty imp]

and nerfs to the magic runes

[dusky socket]

Ooof, that too

[knotty imp]

staves/sidearm armlets are still decent with enough investment though

[dusky socket]

Duelo makes magick weapons especially good. Splash dmg totem, Duelo 3, tons and tons of AoE

[knotty imp]

but nothing beats atomizing a whole man with a fully charge alca's breath powered arrow

[dusky socket]

Or just two hit GS swiping every enemy in a giant ball of fire XD

DE Joe did just mention that he wants to rein in the dmg, make it so that what you see is what you get and stall the power creep

[untold nebula]

99D6-FADE-0FB2-886C Enjoy envoy ❤️

[full hearth]

Like i said

You cannot reveal more entries

Doesn't matter if you're rank 1 or rank 39852025324646

There are no entries to unlock

[sinful scarab]

no hotfix?

[half talon]

Stil time

Sarah mentioned she wasn't sure when it was going to drop, so....maybe soon?

[sinful scarab]

i thought they get off work at 5pm no?

[proven smelt]

uh

I mean if your salaried ya prolly

well depends on the job

[upper osprey]

hm.. there is nothing i can track my " mr points " right ?

[full hearth]

Not a direct value no, you can tell by the indicator on top left in Arsenal screen

[knotty moon]

Not numerically, but the gauge fills up on the top left of the Armory.

[jagged pilot]

what is the respawn timer of the duelo sword for the boss fight?

[full hearth]

The circle fills as you progress in your Envoy rank

[sly escarp]

Asking for codes isn't allowed on the discord, sorry!

[knotty moon]

Next stream is on the 24th.

[upper osprey]

yeah yeah i need to figure out, what im missing.

[knotty moon]

https://discord.com/events/998758139405029478/1494046353620336841

[sly escarp]

But, there is a stream on Friday, if you watch for 30 min you can get access that way!

[sly escarp]

Location names probably

They also add to Envoy Rabk

[upper osprey]

nope, this was one of the first things i did xD

[knotty moon]

You got all the dungeon locations unlocked too?

[sly escarp]

Sometimes, if you haven't been close enough to an area the name won't appear even encrypted on the map, maybe check a completed map to make sure you haven't missed any.

[onyx plover]

hey so ive been dying to find more gossamer quartz and was wondering where do you guys farm for it

[sly escarp]

Aside from that you can try levelling weapons you haven't before if you can remember which ones they are!

[sly escarp]

Rare chests and Avakot's Gots

[lament path]

Avakot sometimes sells 10 at a time..
Frankly my main source of quartz

[upper osprey]

this include all the waypoints and the hidden tree on the ocean

[sly escarp]

Those are world trees, not location names? They do add to Envoy Rank but often folks are missing location names

[lament path]

Location names you get from the history motes

Little flags on the map

[onyx plover]

rare chests like anywhere or specific locations?

[upper osprey]

i printed only the world trees just to show i got all the entries =o, but i got all the location names

[sly escarp]

Anywhere, though personally like the Glades for it

[sly escarp]

Ah, okay. Well, if you're sure you have all the names, you're missing some gear.

Do you have Founders, actually

[upper osprey]

the only thing im " missing "

[lament path]

Pacts or weapons yeah

[sly escarp]

That might be it

[upper osprey]

armor count on the envoy rank?

[sly escarp]

No, just weapons and pacts

[knotty moon]

I don't believe notes give MR, but worth a try.

[sly escarp]

If you don't have founders that could make up the missing amount

[lament path]

Founders is a decent chunk at the moment, a lot of people close to maxing out tend to be founders.

[upper osprey]

thats weird.. cause i saw lots of envoys with more envoy ranks even having all the weapon and pacts. the world names all unlocked..

[sly escarp]

Do you have Founders?

[upper osprey]

yus

[sly escarp]

Then you're probably missing either weapon/pacts or location names.

[lament path]

Weapons are the easiest to miss I would say

[sly escarp]

Again, the encrypted name won't even appear on map until you've visited the location once.

So you might want to double check you didn't miss any. It's fairly easy and common to do so.

[upper osprey]

here my map curlail and kearnhold are showing up too, farmed a lot to get dewell

[lament path]

You got one unfinished location

[twilit vine]

does anyone know where can i get mage rune i saw that it drops from world bosses but i don't really know

[knotty moon]

If you really have no idea you might want to try Little Genius from Avakot.org, though keep in mind it is a third party tool.

[lament path]

I dont think that is enough to get you to 18 though by itself

[sly escarp]

Wraith of Wastes boss, archstorm on normal, hollowing in cogah

[dusty hare]

Why is jotar so sad?

[knotty moon]

Got dumped by Mora.

[twilit vine]

oh any way i could know here the boss is ?

[sly escarp]

He let his people commit war crimes and burn innocent people so now he feels like he needs to be punished

[sly escarp]

Should appear in Sidae's Stake after completing the Waste Bear

[twilit vine]

thank you so much

[spice elbow]

guys it wont let me bond

[sinful scarab]

bugged, ignore him

[spice elbow]

so do i just leave the dungeon

[sinful scarab]

yeah

[spice elbow]

ok

[snow cargo]

the guy is handing me something but I don’t know how to grab it x.x

[normal sail]

maybe hes not handing you something, but rather waiting for you to hand him something from outside

[snow cargo]

oh 😮

[smoky crater]

*helps to read the mission objective in the topleft *

[normal sail]

spoiler: || there is a quill outside near one of the grave stones||

[tidal mantle]

Hi everyone, I'd like to ask something: does DE have plans to make it possible for us to find or see other players in the open world in some way?

[smoky crater]

yes and no

simply put

[normal sail]

sort of yeah, not on an mmo scale like WoW but sortof in tune with how Souls games work

[snow cargo]

how do I access to that? I dont see any instruction in the top left

[smoky crater]

showed up after the "cinematic" ended but you can view it again either by pressing G to summon your bird guide, or by checking your Journal

[tidal mantle]

I was playing Wyncraft the other day, it's an MMO in Minecraft, and they have a system where we can see other players from other servers, but these players don't interfere with the content I'm doing unless we're on the same server, of course.

Then I thought, since Soulframe has these ghosts in the game, wouldn't it be possible to do something similar but with other players? I think it would even help people to team up in squads and do some content.

just a thought

[normal sail]

it would be hard since soulframe only uses servers for player data with all the sessions being hosted by the players (aside from hubs and stuff)

but steve wants to try to make it work in soulframe and it could possibly be added within warframe if that side of the team can find a use for it

[tidal mantle]

It would be really great if they could bring something like that to the game.

[normal sail]

even if its as simple as for example; i am in my own session about to do a siege and rather not have my lfg get buried in the ingame chat i could leave a sign or something on the ground that pops up in everyone elses game that if interacted with will put them into my session

[tidal mantle]

maybe a look for group system could help too

[undone prawn]

Suspected scam content removed by bot.

[surreal goblet]

Talks are we might be able to see eachother as ghosts in the world and send invites to our session

Basically looking around via soulmode would show other players in their world as a ghost you can interact with

That was the original pitch though. We'll see how that idea evolves

Who knows what the plan is for that now

[lucid sundial]

can anyone help me figure out how to bond with wandering souls??? on first quest the torment stag

[normal sail]

it is bugged currently as long as you did do the soul mode grab to interact with him you are free to leave the dungeon and continue with the quest

should be a ghostly dude floating around

[lucid sundial]

got it figured somehting was going wrong thanks

[dry summit]

had a quest to find and speak to lady deora clicked all possible chat interactions nothing happens.
any ideas what to do?
and i have 1 more quest of using rune in battle. have no idea how

[pure shoal]

do you have a rune equiped?

[dry summit]

nop dont know how try everything

can i even? before speaking to her in her base under the rock? or these two quests are not connected?

[sinful scarab]

i think it was the second dialogue option, but that’s odd, try restarting the game

[pure shoal]

so for the runes you have to complete sieges, s rank them and then equip them on the center spot of your weapon skills. the ones with the animals. then you have to collect smite to fill its use bar and middle mouse button to activate it

[sinful scarab]

they’re not connected

[dry summit]

ok ill try ty

[nocturne bronze]

what pacts are fun for you guys, like not caring about meta, just has cool abilities

[grand island]

will the player character be voiced?

[normal sail]

hopefully soon 🤞

[finite stone]

They said vocalisations like jumping and getting hit, but they're hesitant to do voicelines

[grand island]

whys that

[finite stone]

I think they said something about letting the player build their own fantasy of how they would sound etc, it's in one of the devstreams but I can't remember which one

[sinful scarab]

i use orengall pact, i love the bugs i can do with it

[grand island]

that is disappointing

[nocturne bronze]

was thinking of that, or duelo, those two seem cool

[grand island]

i dont wanna imagine a voice for my character i want them to have one

[sinful scarab]

i was excited for the gun, but being locked in place sucks

[lusty ravine]

whats the meta rn

[sinful scarab]

there’s no meta, its a mess

[lusty ravine]

why is it a mess

[grand island]

oh yeah what happened to the one ancestor that sat in the tent next to the cooking pot

[sinful scarab]

everyone doing their own thing as far as i know

[sinful scarab]

he’s in a better place

[grand island]

i dont think the playerbase for the game is big enough for any metas to form

[normal sail]

its also alot of dev time to record possible lines over (if we follow Warframes system) 4 seperate VAs

[grand island]

what does that mean

[sinful scarab]

he’s dead

[grand island]

[sinful scarab]

jokes aside, he’s fenn jotar, kith of kings faction leader, he sit in their enclave now

[normal sail]

he still likes to go take walks in his fallen kingdom

https://tenor.com/view/fallen-kingdom-i-used-to-rule-the-world-street-walk-sad-gif-4248815713731672653

[ebon wren]

Just imaging the player character saying “we have to save those wolves!” In the voice of the SpongeBob SquarePants pirate. Funny but really breaks immersion.

[grand island]

patchy?

[ebon wren]

The captain from the theme song, didn’t know he had a name. I’m old.

[grand island]

oh

also i do not know what to do next

i got all of the world trees so the map is now completely clear

maybe ill start clearing the location names

[ebon wren]

The grind thickens

[finite stone]

"My soulframe is strong!"

[whole owl]

oh god no

https://tenor.com/1CJr.gif

[frozen edge]

"We tooted our Fipple with honor"

[fervent sun]

Does replaying a fable for a boss give you loot drops?

Like if I did the torment stag again could I get royal tines or something

[grand island]

i find it wacky that DE has done it once again and made a game thats completely enraptured me

wow that is some shit grammar

i should get my head checked out

[proper crystal]

yeah im not doing mirifuir until they fix the damage

[grand island]

ok

this is annoying as hell

im trying to do the reclaim history thing

i get all the little shiny things uncover the name and it just doesnt register fully

i logout log back in its the same

[finite stone]

Well royal tines don't drop from torment stag so no 😛

[grand island]

maybe if i restart?

[proper crystal]

hmm

[grand island]

ok restarting the game fixed it

[normal sail]

congrats you hit the cap and triggered the integer limit

[grand island]

when we getting a rat pact

[normal sail]

the vermina pact

[surreal goblet]

actually runes drop at lower ranks now

[dense smelt]

Can I get confirmation if Espadarte can also drop from S rank from Mirifuir siege or is it exclusively A rank now?

Cause I have no idea how I wanna impede myself to try and get A rank otherwise

[grand island]

i keep forgetting the profanity filter

anyways look at what i did to this man

[frozen edge]

Only seen the staff and dewelion so far at S. But the rapier drops at B.

Single death should get a B

[dense smelt]

How even is ranking determined for a siege?

Beside dying

I know clearing enemy counts towards ranking but not sure on how much does it affect

[frozen edge]

Supposedly leaving enemies alive also ranks down, but thats annoying at Miri due to the mechanics

Since you gotta kill the summons for the invul to end and its easy to clear an entire pack by accident

[faint marsh]

anyone had a bug with adding people? it keeps my friend in pending and when i try to remove them they just stay in pending

[dense smelt]

It's kinda hard to leave a singular person alive when they all rush you yelling "In SYNOD'S NAME"

[dense smelt]

Jokes on you, I have no friends that actively play soulframe

[frozen edge]

They probably need to find a better solution for rankings, cause its clunky as heck right now. Maybe add a shrine to the end for you to desecrate to deliberately rank down or something. or just give S ranks all tiers of rewards.

[subtle aspen]

is the weapon attunement display still bugged?

[dense smelt]

I'd rather they just make it so S rank gives all rewards from previous ranks

Or atleast a chance to give previous reward tiers

[dense smelt]

Bugged how

[subtle aspen]

As in not showing the appropriate change to attunement when using a thrice blessed joinery

Added a thrice blessed feybalt to new staff and turned the attunements gray and didn’t add any

[timber rose]

i won twitch drop how do i claim it?

[dense smelt]

On twitch, I assume

[timber rose]

what do i do on twitch?

[dense smelt]

Isn't there a reward page you can claim stuff from?

[timber rose]

i won the givaway

[dense smelt]

That's weird, maybe put in a bug report

[frozen edge]

There's a twitch claim button in the account section on the soulframe site

And yeah, the display is still messed up for magic weapons

[dense smelt]

Also with the changes to joinery....there's like 0 reason to have multiple types of joineries, like what difference is there between gildaur and verite if all they do is give attunement pips

[timber rose]

how do i claim a soulframe giveaway

[visual radish]

giveaway and drops are different things fyi

[dense smelt]

Archstorm also got indirectly nerfed again with the removal of feybalts perks

[timber rose]

sorry for the confusion but ye i meant giveaway

[visual radish]

then you would direct message their twitch channel with your in game name and iirc they just add it to your account

they explain all of that when the winner of a giveaway is announced

[dense smelt]

Is there actual stat differences between joineries now? Or is it just pips only, Because I see no reason to have so many types otherwise

Hope DE doesn't leave it as is

[final rock]

I figured they kept it as is because changing it would take more work and potentially cause issues.

[frozen edge]

They said different joinery bonuses might come back in the future

but yeah, there's functionally no difference atm

[left wigeon]

Is there a way to get loadout slots without arcs?

[dense smelt]

No

[left wigeon]

Dang

[timber rose]

how would i direct msg them

[frozen edge]

./w playsoulframe "ingamename"

[timber rose]

ok ty

ty everyone for all the help

[frozen edge]

warframe also asks for platform, but I assume thats not necessary here

[visual radish]

yeah there isnt any other platform right now

[frozen edge]

thats on twitch not discord if its not clear

[timber rose]

yes all the information was very clear and understood thank you

[halcyon sky]

How does doing story in a squad work? I already did waste bear and I'm trying to do it on my friends world

[visual radish]

poorly

really isnt recommended currently

[halcyon sky]

I had to put the sap in the cauldron, so I'm assuming it's intended or nah?

[visual radish]

honestly dont remember the steps of the quest itself

[halcyon sky]

yea i left, surprised its still quite buggy

[shut walrus]

I have to say, I'm like 99% sure they increased the spawn rate of river pearls drastically and I am a huge fan that they finally did it

It's been river pearl drought for a few updates and it's suuucked

That or I'm lucky now, in which case I hope I stay lucky

[normal sail]

some Agari/heavy enemies drop pearls aswell

[pure shoal]

oh snap really, didnt realize that, thanks for the heads up i appreciate it

[bitter flax]

For the Mestra armor set, do the shipwreck duel spots reset upon log-out or am I forced to go do dungeons/tales to repopulate the ship wrecks with a chance to repeat duelos?

[amber lance]

they don't reset, im pretty sure it picks like 3 or 4 shipwrecks across the whole map and then picks new ones after 3~ hours

[bitter flax]

oh wow that's lame af at least I got 2 pieces just waiting for the helm to drop

[amber lance]

yea you just gotta keep going all around the map

[worn carbon]

Is the new SNS still awful to get?

[frozen edge]

The two wrecks on the east coast reset alternately for me and has the shortest distance

Farmed out the set in about an hour and they never failed to reset

[dusty hare]

i want to steal jotars sword

[finite mural]

They up'd drop chance. When Hotfix 3 comes out they will fix the bug that causes only one of the enemy types to drop it.

[cedar oar]

Can someone help me? I'm stuck on the quest "A Grand Fable". I can't find the rune and I've already killed Stag. And the rune isn't in my inventory.

[swift jasper]

What time does the enclave rep reset

[umbral light]

did armor values drop in p14?

[normal sail]

00:00utc, or about 4h ago

[swift jasper]

So do you just keep pulling the weapons from the boats to get the armor pieces?

[normal sail]

pretty much iirc

[loud sage]

asking for a pre alpha key is banable?

[lament nacelle]

its usually heavily discouraged but i dont think i have seen anyone banned for it yet

[visual radish]

i can only imagine a ban if you keep insisting after the mods warn ya

[worn carbon]

seduce the mods for a alpha key

got it

[normal sail]

do not the mods

[worn carbon]

[floral coral]

i have a new bug brothers JAJAJA

i need report this bug or not?

[normal sail]

depends what is it?

might already be jotted down by another player

[odd knot]

Can’t wait to get a code

[spare badge]

You have to kill Agari to get runes.

[ionic garden]

Any way to reach the island tree in the game? I’ve knocked the rest out it’s my last one

[normal sail]

there is an oob spot up near mirifuir but its very iffy on getting down and under the invis wall

[ionic garden]

Ok. Any way to fast travel or tp yet?

[spare badge]

You have to have someone who's got it unlocked TP you there.

[spare badge]

Wevetseeds. Added in p11.

[ionic garden]

Wevetseeds?

[spare badge]

Do Bromius's fable then look in the nightfold for the tree in the planter he gave you. You get 1-3 seeds randomly, they can be picked once every 12 hours.

[frozen edge]

TPing other people there doesnt work unless they have removed that restriction. There was a pretty massive hole to go oob east of the NE swamp that I dont know if they have patched.

[ionic garden]

Whattttt you can’t type at trees now? Thats so lame we lost such a cool feature

[fallen orchid]

Are there no puzzles in the fallen skytower tilesets???

[frozen edge]

Not noticed any, its a pretty tiny dungeon. The chains would have been a cool way to open secret areas, but they made it just boring rng loot.

[fallen orchid]

hmm, odd. thx

[neat citrus]

Very good change imo, people just weren’t following the rules before

[wheat shard]

are wyld pacts idendical to normal? if i have tethren and wyld tetheren both to 30... can I use Tethren because i prefer the arm visual?

[high nest]

did they change the mestra's armor or is this a visual bug?

[wet tulip]

nope thats the original pips amount

[high nest]

the pips are different on the wiki

so i thought my game was buged

wait ... this is the best armor in the game

[wet tulip]

just checked wiki and yea idk why its set like that

[high nest]

if only it required grace and not spirit

still .. powercreep is real

[wet tulip]

to fully unlock mestra armor potential you do need to be high mr

[bitter flax]

Yup identical. You just double dip on the amount of arts you can spend so leveling both is double the arts points, making those 3 pacts probably the best in the game because of it.

[wet tulip]

dont worry 99% chance it will be nerfed xD

[native drum]

Hi is any one able to help me out with some information?

[wet tulip]

you are free to ask questions

[bitter flax]

God forbid spirit have a single armor set that is not total garbage.

Or spirit as a stat itself alongside magick weapons were worth anything.

Guess we just gotta stay on the courage and grace archer OP train.

[high nest]

the armor required and scaled with grace according to the wiki so i was hoping to do a full grace build

then why was everyone saying mestra is the best grace armor if it required spirit?

[wet tulip]

no idea why wiki has those pips xD could have been a place holder and wasnt changed

even though theres the mockery set with similar pips

[bitter flax]

Like orengall is right there and so is mockery.

But spirit to this point had not a single rank 3 armor. Wazzard set is a rank 2 garbo set that isn’t even better than the founder’s base armor.

[wet tulip]

well spirit does have atleast one ( wazzard) xD but i agree 1 aint enough

[wet tulip]

mestra is 2 stars too fyi xD

[native drum]

so I have not played in a while just wondering how do I get health potions back after using them? and also I'm running courage I have beaten the bear is there any gear or weapon I should try and hunt down for or make? I'm level 17 or 3 idk

[high nest]

which is better, orengall or mockery?

[wet tulip]

mockery for spirit hybrid and orengall for courage

so different uses for different builds

[high nest]

and if i want to go full grace?

[bitter flax]

2 stars this patch is just a bug by this point.

Espadarte and Sylistav are both 2 stars but their stats are clearly rank 3.

DE is on mushrooms with rank allocation this patch.

[wet tulip]

with weapons i agree. but does it make any difference on armors?

what matters in armor is the pips not the stars right?

[bitter flax]

Yup, amount of pips.

Look at Wazzard and Wyld Oscelda armor for rank 2 and compare the pips to rank 3 armors like orengall or mockery.

[high nest]

you get potions as a drop from enemies ... as for the weapon and armor, what virtue and weapon type do wanna go for?

[remote otter]

am I meant to be doing something with this? the 2 heads glow when I press Q

[high nest]

throw your weapon at the heads

[wet tulip]

yea what i was saying. its not the stars. its the pips

[wet tulip]

orengall better since it got more grace pips

[native drum]

I'm going to be 100% honest I have not touched this in like 3 months so I forgot what virtues are and I like 1 handed and 2 handed weapons

[remote otter]

thanks

[native drum]

of just looked my virtues are being put into courage

[bitter flax]

The stars for armors are meant to indicate how many pips they’ll get, just like weapon stars determine their pips and stats.

The armor and weapons in this patch like mestra armor and the siege weapons just break that mold.

Sylystav at rank 2 is the same stats as rank 3 seathorn and same for Espadarte vs Dewelion

[high nest]

so swords for weapon? now courage give health, spirit gives CD for the abilities and grace give finisher and headshot dmg modifier .. also the pact abilities scale with the virtue based on the order: first scales with courage, second scales with spirit and the third scales with grace

[bitter flax]

I’m also sure they broke weapon scaling and pips with the joinery changes.

Because my rank 3 Seathorn with Thrice Blessed Iridis has the same damage at rank 30 regardless if I equip a full courage no spirit prism as if I equipped a hybrid or full spirit prism.

They broke the virtue scaling.

[high nest]

having a weapon type decided and knowing what pact you'll play and which abilities you'll focus on makes it alot easier to decide what you're going for

[wet tulip]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ everything can and will be a place holder since we will never see the bigger picture stat wise while this game is being called pre alpha by the devs

[wheat shard]

@bitter flax isnt that because you can only go 150% of base damage as max attunement?

[wet tulip]

literally in p15 the devs can remodel all the armors and weapons and all we can do is watch and maybe write feedbacks xD

[native drum]

ahh I see well yeah sword to be honest I've only use the basic sword up until now so sword is really all I know I'm not sure about axes or what else they got but I like the sword

[bitter flax]

What I am saying is that having zero or some spirit makes no difference.

It’s not that im overshooting spirit and hitting a cap. It’s that my seathorn literally sees no difference in damage with a no spirit build.

[wheat shard]

aha

[high nest]

how about pacts, got any one in mind?

[bitter flax]

And i havent even attached a mora joinery, so it has no courage to scale from

[wheat shard]

the whole P14 joineries feels like a band aid of 'lets sort it later'

[wet tulip]

atleast it opened up to hybrid builds we want

[native drum]

I only have the tethren pact unlock should I unlock more to see what I like? if so I'll need to do some research how to unlock them first

[wet tulip]

for example if i want to be a battle mage with spirit/courage hybrid and go full magick weapons i can

[bitter flax]

Its all spirit and grace scaling for seathorn but a full courage prism seathorn rank 30 has the same damage as if i equipped any prism with grace or spirit.

So in essence courage now is even more dominant because i can get the max value of a weapon with no spirit investment.

I mean I’ll take it for now while spirit builds suck so badly but I hope it gets fixed for thematic reasons.

[wet tulip]

and the weapons will reach their dmg cap

[wheat shard]

Soulframe is a game about collecting stuff - so expect to get em all 🙂

[high nest]

you totally should look into pacts

[native drum]

yeah when I first started I didnt really focus on any of this stuff I was just doing quest/killing shit and "capturing" animals

[bitter flax]

I think just making spirit scale all arcanics and have similar hp to grace builds would go a long way to making spirit not feel total garbo.

Then fix magick weapons to have more baseline armor penetration so they are not gimped against high lv enemies and let magick weapons either parry so they can actually use the defensive totems that are only parry, or change those totems to perfect dodges and perfect dodge window.

[native drum]

also did they add mounts or anything to the game yet? I remembered I did the quest to get the wolf pet was wondering if anything come from that or not yet?

[bitter flax]

Because it makes no sense 90% of the defensive totems for magick weapons are “stagger on parry”, “20% larger parry window” when the damn weapons can’t even parry.

[wet tulip]

will be this year but not out yet

[high nest]

@native drum there are some great ones but for now you're sticking with tethren (at least till you get another one) so courage is the best virtue for it. sollos-I is a good upgrade for the wulder with more courage pips on it and higher base stats which would give you more damage after leveling it a bit

@native drum it drops from so many enemies, i won't be surprised if you have its fragments already

[wet tulip]

yea thats a oversight xD

[native drum]

yeah I just started crafting it now need to wait the 4 hours

[high nest]

perfect .. and just so you won't be missing out you should be getting oryn-umbr and needleseye (easy to get SnS and greatsword) just so you can be trying different types of weapons and deciding which one you like best

then when after researching the pacts and deciding what you wanna get, you can pick your weapon and armour based on the virues you wanna focus on for the pact abilities

[native drum]

ok doing research now

[wheat shard]

so for a courage based build... Once blessed is exactly the same as thrice blessed because i reach pip cap right?

[wet tulip]

from how it looks right now . when you reach 5 pips its the cap so no point going above 5 pips

[wheat shard]

but i could scale further (up to attenuation cap) with a hybrid build...

[wet tulip]

this might be a bug now but as it is right now the bonus scaling above 5 pips in non existent

[wet tulip]

yes if you go with a different type of pip your weapons will reach dmg cap easier

[wheat shard]

ok ty

[wet tulip]

for example

instead of going either spirit or grace. i went courage so the weapon scales from all 3 virtues

essentially making dewelion like a paragon great sword xD

and flexible in most hybrid builds

[wheat shard]

right. so 150% cap is reachable with more hybrid prisms.. (and therefore armor also)?

[wet tulip]

armor?

[wheat shard]

prism affecting armor - i mean

not weapon - armor

[native drum]

wait you can only use some pacts only if you bought the founders package damn

[wet tulip]

depends on which armor you want to use

but yes us having the ability go be more flexible with weapons helps going for which ever armor you want on higher MR lvls

and still being able to use what weapon you want

[wheat shard]

hmm. unsure what to do with my marrows bane then

[wet tulip]

pick either grace or spirit pip xD

[high nest]

wait, i thought it was just a visual bug like you can have 7 courage but it will show only 5 on the UI, you can't?

[wet tulip]

since it got 4 courage pips on it already

[wheat shard]

as the cenotaph is already the more hybrid one

[wet tulip]

above 5 pips you dont get anymore attunement bonus

people did testing and 5-7 pips give same attunement

for example 5-7 pips on marrow's bane needed 33 courage to reach dmg cap

[hazy plover]

im having trouble bonding with shadow

[wet tulip]

and it didnt change

[wheat shard]

is damage cap 150% of base or +150% of base? ie for Marrows Bane base = 78. 150% = 195.

[wet tulip]

marrrows bane have a bit more base dmg and better smite chance still though

[wet tulip]

you dont include the +24 from weapon lvl into the 150% calculations

marrows bane base dmg is 54

[wheat shard]

so 54 (L0 base) + 135 (150%) = 189 (damage cap)

?

[wet tulip]

yup

[wheat shard]

lovely. thanks for all the help

[wet tulip]

which shows marrows bane is still a bit better then cenotaph

[wheat shard]

so for MB. for a pure courage build i could reach the cap going 4 courage > 5 courage

[wet tulip]

but yes cenotaph is much more hybrid flexible

[wheat shard]

my logic here is i might 5C the MB, and then 3S the ceno

[wet tulip]

for MB on 5 courage pips you need only 33 courage

meaning its better to just go with a different virtue joinery to gain attunment from other sources then courage

to help reach MB dmg cap without going full courage for example

since 4 pips and 5 pips aint a big difference

[wheat shard]

yeah. ok i getcha. might as well 3 spirit on it for example

[wet tulip]

yea depending on what your build is

but yes hybrid building wise cenotaph is better since you can pop a grace joinery on it and you can use it in most builds

[wheat shard]

and then could 3 grace on the ceno to make it 'slight less damage but more flexible'

[wet tulip]

and MB can be use only on 2 stats builds

[wheat shard]

snap

[wet tulip]

you will reach dmg cap with almost any build on cenotaph

[wheat shard]

but that damage cap will be less than the MB right. because 1 less base

[timber horizon]

[wet tulip]

yes by a bit

[wheat shard]

ok this is all super helpful and help me get head round it

thanks again

[wet tulip]

cenotaph dmg cap is 185.5 ( idk how that 0.5 works tbh)

marrows bane is 189

[wheat shard]

and 3 grace on the ceno would make it super flex.

[wet tulip]

so you lose potential 4 dmg but you gain more flexibility on builds yea

meanwhile MB still needs mostly courage

but can be flexible with 1 other virtue if you go either spirit or grace on it

[wheat shard]

im thinking spirt then on the MB for a more Courage/Sprit version of tethern

[digital tangle]

I’ve got only the pensive man quest to get into every each enclave with the rework, I’m assuming I need to request the assistance of an aligned player for the two I am not? Please @ or reply me (so it goes in my notis), for unfortunately I must again sleep

[left wigeon]

How do get mestras armor?

[wet tulip]

ship wreck duels after you finish the fable

[left wigeon]

Went around lookin for em but couldn't find any

Are they just random or should they be at every shipwreck?

[wet tulip]

look for shipwrecks with a rapier on the sand

it spawns randomly

[left wigeon]

Ahh

I was lookin for blue ribbons

Have to wear the hat right?

[wet tulip]

yes with that blue ribbon hat equipped

DE claimed all the wyld stuff will be obtainable in the future but didnt give a date xD

most likely the only exclusive items on the packs are the flowers you plant on ethernium

those packs cant be bought with arcs. only real money. but if trading comes you could get it from others i guess

when they start to dropp too

[vagrant kayak]

Everything from the Founder packs will be available F2P in future

[wet tulip]

yes

later xD though gameplay

[vagrant kayak]

Free to play

From the Founder page FAQ:

[wet tulip]

it will be though gameplay like prime warframes in warframe

same like theres pacts and wyld pacts

[vagrant kayak]

No bother

[silent hazel]

Hi all! Where i can get Gathan wepon now?

[vagrant kayak]

Gathannan drops from the Vadagar Stag now IIRC?

Yes should be the stag, who you can fight by finding ichor pools at nighttime or facing him as part of a Votive with the Spirit of Ichor end step

[unkempt gull]

So... stupid question how do I get runes? It says by a sub boss but where do I find one? Do I just...roam? I'm so lost lol

[wet tulip]

orange ones 100% spawn in cogah ( might spawn on normal too but low chance) . yellow on both modes

[unkempt gull]

Ah so the part of the map I don't have yet bc I can't find that damn tree....thank you! 🫡🫡

Am I just too early in the game for me to not have those icons on my map?

[wet tulip]

the agari boss icons dont appear at all unless you are in cogah mode

this map is simply player made for easier gameplay

[unkempt gull]

Uh...ok...

[wet tulip]

hopefully DE adds in custom icons we can place on our maps

[unkempt gull]

What's...cogah....

[wet tulip]

essentially hard mode ( which you can activate with drinking a cogah potion)

cogah mode bosses got different rune drops

[unkempt gull]

Okay okay...I'm not that good

[wet tulip]

we all started somewhere xD

aint nothing to be ashamed of

[unkempt gull]

Ik I just feel bad and stupid

[wet tulip]

no reason to DE likes to make games where you gotta have the wiki website open on another screen xD

[unkempt gull]

It most definitely is 🫠I'm just sooo lost and it might be bc it's bout 3am

[left wigeon]

Are the founders pack weapons cool and/or good?

[wet tulip]

looking cool yes. good not really

consider them like nice looking starter weapons

[left wigeon]

Dang

[wet tulip]

atleast for now. might change in the future

[left wigeon]

Oh yeah I guess they're all mono virtue

[vagrant kayak]

The Founder weapons are decent but not BiS

[unkempt gull]

Last question...so I defeated that garron deer thing and it showed armor on the screen but I didn't get it I've been told you have to farm it? But I can't find it on the map where to fight it again....

[wet tulip]

either find vadagar pools at night or go do votives from world trees with vadagar stag

OR look in recruit chat for stag hosts

[left wigeon]

Oh yeah founders weapons only have 2 pips each

Thought they would get at least 3 with the changes in 13

Is the armor good at least?

[unkempt gull]

Right right....thanks lol

[vagrant kayak]

A definite upgrade over the starting armor(s) but also not BiS, though if you get a Founder pack you'll also get some Moonsteel Thread so you can use the look of the armor on any piece once you get a stronger set statistically

[lament nacelle]

rn BiS is teh new Maestra armor by like... ALOT

[vagrant kayak]

Yeah the universal scaling is very good on it, and it's quite an easy farm as well tbh

[wet tulip]

yup literally the hardest part about it is the walking xD

[left wigeon]

Hmm

[lament nacelle]

I dunno how i would nerf it myself tbh. like maybe low stability or something since the pact it goes with is all about not getting hit in the first place

[wet tulip]

ah dont worry it will be nerfed sooner or later

[left wigeon]

So bis is a dress

[wet tulip]

enjoy it while it lasts xD

they will simply remove some pips from it

[vagrant kayak]

No it's a pirate outfit

[lament nacelle]

but it do got a skirt

[left wigeon]

Still tryna debate getting founders, lookin for the last lil thing to push me over the edge

[lament nacelle]

not too much of a fan of the skirt

[left wigeon]

And bows

[lament nacelle]

i like the bows

it fits with the lore of the armor

[left wigeon]

Coquette

[wet tulip]

getting founders doesnt give you much of a end game edge . its to support the game devs

[vagrant kayak]

I don't think the Mestra pants are a skirt, but I'm on the masc body type maybe it's different

[lament nacelle]

on female its the pants, but with a skirt on top

[wet tulip]

i guess the most it gives you right now is higher mastery lvl

ah right the pacts are nice from it since you get 60 points on them if you lvled the normal pacts

[lament nacelle]

did they add the option to change genders yet? or was i hallucinating

[left wigeon]

Wouldn't want it to be paying for power necessarily anyway

[wet tulip]

they did

[lament nacelle]

okay im thinking of swapping to male just cause im not a fan of the skirt lmao

[left wigeon]

But if it was on par with the best stuff at least that would be handy

Eh

Would like the purple

[vagrant kayak]

You can change body type once you unlock Verminia

Face and hair too

[lament nacelle]

the most you get out of the packs is more points in Greatsword and Flyblades. the rest have enough weapons to feasibly either fill the entire skill tree, or get close enough that it doesnt matter

bleh i have been talking about pacts so much i defaulted packs to pacts

[left wigeon]

And purple

Can't forget

[lament nacelle]

oh yes. Purple Tethryn

[left wigeon]

Nah nah

Aloras royal dyes

[lament nacelle]

oh yeah that

[distant jungle]

I love that the Duelo clones just don't have a modeled head.

[lament nacelle]

i dont have any of the packs so i didnt know it came with color

[lament nacelle]

scarecrow

[distant jungle]

I am very friend-shaped.

I speak for the trees and the trees desire blood.

Also that image did just make me realize that Duelo doesn't have my arm properly rendered beneath it.

It's just kind of floating on my shoulder.

Odd.