gameplay-discussion

[exotic gale]

kinda nice that we can see how much ode infamy xp we get from forts now

[raven orbit]

how do i swap what shoulder my camera looks over

[knotty moon]

I think V is the default, otherwise check keybindings.

[raven orbit]

thank you

[stray oriole]

Anyone else having massive issues with connection after the hotfix? I cannot play with people at all nor even remain logged in.

[strange fossil]

I hope not 😞

[knotty moon]

No issues over here, didn't play co-op though.

[stray oriole]

Got DCed like 3 times in less than 10m.

[ebon wraith]

might be issue on your end

[stray oriole]

If it was, I would have not been able to use Youtube or play the game prior to this hotfix.

[smoky crater]

Tried restarting your game?

[stray oriole]

Relogged in and game froze a few times, so had to restart, yeah.

[smoky crater]

Hmm.. Try verifying files from the launcher just in case i guess?

[random lotus]

I'm confused about The Torrent: Pull Smite summons a volley of arrows from the sky, dealing damage or is it For 8 seconds, each bow attack summons a volley of arrows from the sky dealing additional damage? Because firing a bow attack does not proc additional volley of arrows.

[strange fossil]

Worst case scenario if you have the MSI you can try reinstalling. It could of been an issue relating to the hotfix installing

[knotty moon]

Or Optimize.

[smoky crater]

Or both

[stray oriole]

Got invited to a group. Will see it worked out first. If not, will do that.

[smoky crater]

It affects the arrow rain

[strange fossil]

Yea floor your graphics setting and see if it does it still

[random lotus]

yes

[exotic gale]

I'm currently at my faction daily cap with 108,500pts. I sold a Sinner's Strategem to Lady Deora for 250. My points are now at 108,750.

So yeah, these new faction currencies bypass the daily faction cap

[strange fossil]

Any of you playing wyld sirin but favouring using the sidearm over the bow? Just curious. I've been playing a dagger heavy playstyle

Lol how come you guys want to bypass the cap anyway? You'll run out of things to do 🥲

[knotty moon]

Not playing Sirin specifically, but I mainly use the Daggers (or Clivers recently) with the bows as backup for long ranged attacks.

[stray oriole]

Game freezes when I enter the Organ. Connection stabilised after a little bit. I have no clue what they did with this hotfix, but I know it is not from my end as I have never had such issues before it.

[exotic gale]

Just for testing. I'm already lvl5 with my factions, so I'm just buying blessed joineries with leftover currencies

[strange fossil]

Ahhh fair enough

[exotic gale]

Probably gonna stack up on 50 of each currencies for future content

[knotty moon]

Faulty download can be a cause.
Did you try to Verify/Optimize?

[lament path]

Even sproutfolk drop the faction items. Seems every enemy can really

[strange fossil]

I mainly been opening with bow to score a few headshots then once the distance is closed I pull the daggers out instead of rolling around it's been fun

I wish the sirin decoy guy pulled them a little better it hurts when I use it and the mobs just ignore it lol 😆

[ebon wraith]

yeah its been an issue for a while now

[kind roost]

i use decoy as an atk does good stagger dmg and ok dmg

[strange fossil]

Ive been playing with it by trying to lead with it from sneak and stuff but I haven't been able to pinpoint why

I like to use it to group so I can arrow hail them and bomb same time when it works

[stray oriole]

Seems that maybe having wolves present is causing all the connection and freezing issues with the game, so heads up to those running Orengall in multiplayer.

[kind roost]

i have 10 points of more dmg with orengall than sirin for some reason

does the orengall passive work on ranged weapons for some reason ?

[exotic gale]

Does your range weapon scale off courage?

[kind roost]

its juniper grace/spirit

[strange fossil]

I think they touched an that in the video they made about the prisms

They where trying to get away from courage heavy builds. I'm pretty sure my sirin with a bow is all grace

[loud sinew]

whats this bad boi?

[exotic gale]

Avex and Blitzel scale off courage

[strange fossil]

It's a split though isn't it?

[stray oriole]

New tokens for faction rep

[exotic gale]

Yeah, but I was asking if there was any courage attunement on it

[strange fossil]

Not solely but yea

There's a few I think thatre grace/courage

[finite stone]

It's a https://wiki.avakot.org/Sineculum 😉

[kind roost]

everything is basically the same only thing i can think of orengall passive works on bows for some reason even tho it says melee

[wet tulip]

https://giphy.com/gifs/michael-fassbender-perfection-x-men-9WXyFIDv2PyBq

[kind roost]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-lord-farquaad-drink-drinking-alcohol-gif-4571301

[wet tulip]

rare bow. LETS GO

[exotic gale]

ive been lied to....

[umbral pebble]

is there any chance to get a key for Soulframe?

[wet tulip]

noice first organ

second organ i like these odds

[safe pelican]

As of preludes 13, does Gathannan still scale of spirit or was it changed to courage?

[safe pelican]

Oh dual scaling, I like it thanks

[wet tulip]

yeah but you must have 22 courage to even start the dmg scaling

[safe pelican]

Doable with wyld tethren right?

[wet tulip]

you can go hybrid courage spirit and it should be fine also

[long grove]

doable with any pact and right talisman

[wet tulip]

since they buffed the pact passives a bit after the nerf of P13

it aint 10 points as it was in P12 but 6 virtue points aint bad

[jolly topaz]

do i need to wait for night everytime i want to enter the kith of kings?

[long grove]

they scale better anyway

[wet tulip]

this helps going hybrid

[amber bolt]

With less points spent too

[long grove]

just the first

[safe pelican]

Appreciated thanks

[jolly topaz]

i already did it once but its not letting me in

and its not on my map

[wet tulip]

yeah you could say they reverted it to how it was in P12 just removed the last upgrade which took 4 points

[exotic gale]

My god.... flyblades are so weak now after P13 defence changes

[fallow arch]

for my first 3 organs since the update its aight

[long grove]

does another faction enclave show up on your map

if so, you didn't pledge the first time

[jolly topaz]

yes

oh

[visual radish]

Was that "once" in multiplayer?

[jolly topaz]

no, only ever played solo

[visual radish]

Ok was just checking in case we had a new bug to report

But it is odd it isnt letting you in

You only need to do the entrance requirement once and after that you can just walk in no matter the faction

After all you both need to go in to change factions and for the free starter prism from just talking to the faction reps

[jolly topaz]

yeah, im getting faction xp i just cant walk in

[visual radish]

The main outside gate or the inner one?

[jolly topaz]

main outside

[visual radish]

That is very weird

[jolly topaz]

its not on my map so im at the statues

[visual radish]

Yeah it doesnt have to be on the map

[long grove]

should be tho since they already visited, just do it again and see what happens

[jolly topaz]

theres no way to speed up time is there lol?

[pallid sentinel]

I still don't understand how complete the siege on S. I complete the siege quickly, killing all the mobs. But always with rank C. But they told me some additional conditions that seem absurd. You can't take any damage - at all. And all champions and bosses must be stunned and finished off. Personally, it's not easy for me because I kill them in a few hits. It requirement itself is somewhat absurd. Is it really necessary for S not have damage at all and kills bosses with finishing moves?

[wet tulip]

umm the drop rate for the enclave rep tokens aint that bad. i played for like 15-20 mins

and i didnt even use sirin pickpocket

[blissful dune]

that seed looks a bit uhh...

[wet tulip]

shhh

dont spill avakots fetishes

[blissful dune]

you cant tell me those arent...

[jolly topaz]

do i need to get to rank 1 first before i can pledge?

[wet tulip]

you could say its a plump seed pack xD

[blissful dune]

bursting with life

[wet tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-matty-matheson-the-queens-falafel-wheezing-haha-gif-26361740

lol i just noticed i got a single dracks in my inventory

[stray oriole]

Heads up to everyone running multiplayer: The number of wolves you have in your squad, whether be it yours or your team mate affect your connection, freezing, and in general, game play stability. Make sure to not run Orengall Pact in multiplayer to have a decent experience.

I knew it was not from my end.

[wet tulip]

^ this 100% . wolf spawning might cause a crash

[stray oriole]

Every time I would enter the Organ with my 4 wolves, my game would completely freeze. Was bizarre.

[finite stone]

give me back!

[wet tulip]

https://giphy.com/gifs/oskouioskoui-lotr-gifscapade-3oFyCVxsQn6RBa0r5u

[lament path]

Huh, gruul seeker in cogah just.. disappeared with health bar and all

oh he walked back now finally

[long grove]

if you mean ruthos, yeah sometimes he teles too far

[lament path]

archer one yeah, buggiest and easiest

[wet tulip]

2 doggos xD

[thick rivet]

omg can i not invite people when im in a bosss fight?

i tried inviting someone earlier while fighting stag for the first time but it kept saying unable to join

[gusty dagger]

idk who made this but not how compound bow string works.. also arrow floating

[knotty moon]

Might want to make a https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224825113120788 thread about it.
Maybe providing an example pic of how the compound bow string actually works can help.

[gusty dagger]

arrow is back wards

explains alot tbh

you cant make this stuff up

[ebon wraith]

well forward is backward makes sense

[sly escarp]

Well

Much is explained

[ebon wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/fake-suicide-fake-gun-how-i-met-your-mother-barny-stinson-gif-4729061

[gusty dagger]

🤣

theres so much wrong it hurts

[wet tulip]

preludes moment xD

[next elk]

so i was looking at the patch notes and roadmaps, i didnt see where they planned on added a massive regetta tournament, and cosmetics to regetta, is this an oversight?

[wet tulip]

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1476662315230429316 please write your feedback on this idea

[pallid sentinel]

Has anyone encountered this weird thing? I need open one statue, but sunline and mirrors lead to another. And not any way to move mirrors.

[sly escarp]

Oh, light puzzle

Gotta direct it to a statue

Can change mirrors by hitting it or by getting next to it and using interact

[dire helm]

I think they're saying there's more than one blocked passage / endpoint for the light beam, but the light beam can apparently only reach one of them.

Probably a bug, but idk, I haven't focused super hard on the light beams in most rooms.

[queen valley]

has anyone tested if the faction tokens can be pickpocketed?

[wet tulip]

most likely they can

since its a normal drop

[next elk]

havent seen one drop yet

[wet tulip]

they drop like normal loot

[sly escarp]

Really? Have like 3-4 of each

They don't announce themselves or anything

They just...appear in inventory after walking over a dead enemy camp

[next elk]

oh valid, i have a bunch apparently haha my bad

[lament path]

I am just hunting bosses down in cogah with a relaxed pace, they drop quite often from pretty much anything from what I am experiencing

[pallid sentinel]

It turned out a bug. I noticed that was another mirror inside the mirror.

[wet tulip]

they do get announced when you pick them up

[pallid sentinel]

Restarted the area and there's a double mirror again.

[sage socket]

Hi.... How do I get more arcs?

[sly escarp]

Gotta buy em from the shop for real money

[sage socket]

ARGHHH if I knew that I would've spent the 100 arcs I had more wisely 😭🫩

[sly escarp]

They sometimes give some out as compensation for a major game change

But they're pretty cheap

Like, $5 us for 150 arc iirc? and that's the most expensive arc to dollar ratio

[sage socket]

I'm from Malaysia so it's probably around 20 bucks for me

[sly escarp]

Prices are regional

[modest pasture]

NGL opening this door was a new one. never seen it yet. orengall's fang talisman, i will take that for my grace gremlin self though.
https://i.imgur.com/dUEK9oK.jpeg

[wet tulip]

LOL new tale right as i leave the dungeon xD

literally at the door

Ummmm

[smoky crater]

it was his favorite chest... and you just had to go and steal from it

[hexed spoke]

How's the drop rate on the new bow and dagger?

[wet tulip]

got 2 dagger fragments today with 3 organs

0 bow for now though ( didnt join any multiplayer shares)

[hexed spoke]

Thanks
I'm excited later but I'm at work kek

[next elk]

oh man, i just died in a crypt and this is where it spawned me

way outside so far away, if i try to walk towards it it gives me a countdown that im too far

[candid stump]

so i am just staring out and i dont know what path to chose. for reference i like to play as Ironeye and the mage casters on Elden Ring Nightreign and a quality jack of all trades in base game Elden Ring/ Dark Souls. what path would be best in peoples opinion

[wet tulip]

yup the new enclave tokens drop as loot by themselves. meaning sirin pickpocket can boost the drop rate

[tulip crater]

Is there a daily limit for enclave exp? cause i did 2 mission and i got 0 exp

[wet tulip]

daily 16k cap

[safe pelican]

im stuck

[tulip crater]

Oh didnt know , thanks 😄

[dawn arrow]

16k / day

[vagrant kayak]

Type /unstuck to become unstuck

[safe pelican]

thank you 😂

[dull ocean]

yes, 16k limit. The cap resets daily at 00:00 UTC

[wet tulip]

confirmed sirin pickpocket can drop the new enclave rep tokens

[dawn arrow]

I still didnt try the new patch, how do the new enclave tokens play with the daily cap? Does it allow you to trade when you have reached your cap? Will you lose the points/token if used while capped?

[knotty moon]

You can go over the cap with them.

[wet tulip]

consider the new tokens as physical rep you can hold in your pockets until you want to cash in

[dawn arrow]

How much rep points per token?

[wet tulip]

ill go check rn

[knotty moon]

#gameplay-discussion message

[wet tulip]

yup 250

[dawn arrow]

Thanks, its actually more than what I expected.

[wet tulip]

meaning if you collect 50 to reach the cap you got 12500 rep in your pockets

[still fulcrum]

does anyone know if there is a setting to turn on subtitles for npcs like as youre walking around and not in a dedicated dialogue moment?

[upbeat cradle]

that's pretty good ngl

[knotty moon]

For rando Sinecure?
Not that I know of.

[tranquil cradle]

anyone else randomly lost their regular starter pact? I had Tethren leveled to 30 besides the Wyld ones, and now Tethren is gone

[wet tulip]

i seem to see a pattern for the rep tokens

the corrupt creatures drop the alca tokens / ode archers drop the rose tokens/ melee ode drop kith tokens

[true notch]

whew, u scared me for a sec

[true notch]

mockeries drop all types

only killing mockeries during orengall fang chest runs

[knotty moon]

I had Mace ladies drop Alca's, and Archers drop Kith's.
I heard of Slugs giving Kith as well.

[languid jasper]

something tells me one of these is rarer than the other

[wet tulip]

ah i guess its just a coincidence for me then

[true notch]

isnt one 3 frags and other 2 frags

[wet tulip]

the bow is a rare 3 star one

[true notch]

which depicts which one is rarer

[pallid sentinel]

I encountered a very annoying bug. When I changed pact, Envoy lost all armor and returned to default appearance.

[tranquil cradle]

relogging didnt fix it for me, still gone. maybe it got something to do with already having the Wyld version of it

[wet tulip]

you can kinda expect for the bow to be more rare then the sword

[true notch]

you better make a bug report, cuz this is kind of bad

[wet tulip]

i now wonder if he/she lvls normal pacts again will there be extra MR exp

[true notch]

giga doubt it

[wet tulip]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ game shows as there was never a pact there in the first place

[true notch]

do you still have 60 points?

[tranquil cradle]

yap

imagine it becoming 90

[wet tulip]

so many questions

[knotty moon]

Not much use, 60 is enough to max it right now.

[wet tulip]

for the memes

[knotty moon]

Fair.

[true notch]

do u still have 60 tho? if yes, apparently something just removed pact item from your inventory

[wet tulip]

i dont have the bug xD

[true notch]

not many cases of items being straight up stolen from ppl afaik

[wet tulip]

earl does

[true notch]

my bad

[tranquil cradle]

welcome to pay 2 lose stuff

[wet tulip]

P2Grind more

[true notch]

dont buy second copy, or you may end up like fey ppl

[tranquil cradle]

issa feature

[true notch]

i suggest asking support and waiting for resolution

[next elk]

is there anyone we can do with spare shards or extra copies of weapons?

[true notch]

nothing atm

[wet tulip]

i guess you can sell them when trading becomes a thing and there will be much more new players ¯_(ツ)_/¯. But ( it will most likely be dirt cheap since there are plenty of preludes testers)

[next elk]

unless we all agree to act like they are super rare and we all make money together

[wet tulip]

or maybe they allow to sell it for extra dracs

[knotty moon]

There was a very vague mention of a possible Joinery rework making use of extra fragments.

Unfortunately that stream wasn't saved.

[wet tulip]

yeah i wonder what they gonna do with the OG place holder joineries

[knotty moon]

Souvenir from early Preludes I guess.

Like Dracs items.

[languid jasper]

i've got eldore on too many weapons 🤣

[arctic cedar]

Are there any vids of new bow and blade in action? I'm so curious about the moveset

[knotty moon]

I raise you a Sun Gold from my noob days.

[knotty moon]

I think they shown the bow in Envoy Hour #8.

[arctic cedar]

Oh thx, I will check it out

[wet tulip]

gud ol times indeed

[queen valley]

ironically in p12, i had used joinery for one weapon per stat per slot, and now i have like 2 blessed bows

also the wyld pact weapons seem weaker than they should be?

[open prawn]

Best virtue for spirit and courage? Mainly because odiac requires 8 courage and 8 spirit now

[queen valley]

specifically the cobladh, since most of the other short swords scale 2 grace and more

[knotty moon]

I don't understand the question.

[open prawn]

Odiac used to only require spirit before but they updated it

[queen valley]

its the hybrid from alcas children rank 4

[tulip crater]

I hope they add a greatsword with 4 courage attunement

[open prawn]

Thanks

[knotty moon]

Best virtue for spirit and courage?

[queen valley]

knight o paladine

[knotty moon]

Ah, Virtue Prism.

[open prawn]

Ah sorry

Didn’t explain it that well

Thanks tho

[queen valley]

depending on your level, you might be able to use a starter prism, and the talisman and pact upgrade to hit the requirement

[lament path]

Thanks mods

[open prawn]

That and Iridis Shaman

[copper bluff]

My Nimrod hasn’t spawned in 3 days. Should I be worried? I killed him once at his usual spot, but never respawned. Other bosses seem to be fine

[candid star]

If I replay the Tormented Stag quest, will Garren give me the same loot as if I waited until night? Don’t feel like waiting that long, then trying to figure out where a stag spawns

[sly escarp]

Replaying the quest does not give rewards again

[candid star]

Even for the drops of enemies? Lowkey sucks lol

[sly escarp]

For the bosses at least

Generic enemies yes iirc

[knotty moon]

Don't they give the Pact fragments again now?
At least I heard so.

[sly escarp]

Oh, uh, haven't checked

It would explain the removal of the Dracs bought fragments from Avakot

[finite stone]

Yep you get them from replaying fables now

[sly escarp]

Cool!

Love that as a solution

[scenic solar]

How do you pickpocket mockery????

Do the items come off of the spirits? which you can't see when in the stealth mode?

[deep rune]

the easiest way is to turn into the butterflies and simply walk very near the mockery

[thorn ingot]

and by mockery they mean the ghosts that are flying above, not the husks on the ground

[scenic solar]

any way to see them when trying to pickpocket?

[thorn ingot]

keep your soul mode active

no idea what button you use for that

[scenic solar]

thought that deactived the stealth

[thorn ingot]

it does not

[deep rune]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Sirin#tabber-Glamour you can see here which actions deactivate stealth and which do not, if interested

click on "Glamour" after opening the link if it's not selected already

[sage socket]

Are there allies that will help in fights?

[scenic solar]

Ah, can't pickpocket mockery weapon fragments...

[deep rune]

they are not guaranteed to drop

[wet tulip]

it should work just low RNG

[thorn ingot]

it's a very tedious farm

took me days of relogging to just farm one weapon

[scenic solar]

As of Preludes 13 Hotfix 4, using Pickpocket on Mockery Spirits now only drops Knotwood, Whisprig, Dracs, and Life Elixirs; after extensive testing, no weapon fragments have been observed dropping from Mockery Spirits. It does not prevent awakened Mockeries from dropping their loot, however.

from the wiki

[thorn ingot]

Oh that's unfortunate, though I could see that coming

[slate pulsar]

why do tri-headed bear boss's attacks take 70-80% of my health? am I underleveled, do I not have some essential item?
I am playing as archer with starting gear, last main quest I did before this side(is it side?) quest was the one where I fight the Deer boss

[lament path]

Underlevelled/geared really, the bear boss is a pretty big spike that you can do right after the other main quests.

It is also the first "real" boss I would say

Since the deer is tutorial

[slate pulsar]

Thank you, there is no indication though, i know turning everything into numbers is boring but, at least some idea of "you are not strong enough to do this quest" would be nice

[slate pulsar]

I also fought an archer boss in the castle though I mostly cheesed her with sneak attacks

[lament path]

Yeah, probably will be a smoother experience as the game gets developed but the bear has been a check of damage and armour

Beating them unlocks quite a bunch of stuff

[slate pulsar]

Oh I see, then I will go do other quests

[lament path]

Dont forget to grab some animal totems! They can help quite a lot.

[slate pulsar]

thank you, I was actually gathering a lot of animals but forgetting to shove them in my totems

[lament path]

I think you can also grab some runes from some bosses, but that depends on whether you can fight them.

Can be easier than the bear fight but they are in higher levelled areas

[slate pulsar]

I will check on that too

[lament path]

Runes might not work on every boss depending if you can smite them (Or their minions) but even the base runes are extremely helpful against general enemies

[frank lynx]

Extra thumbs up for the tip. I'm very new at the game and have been scratching my head over how to get any stronger. Currently almost at the bear fight and I might try my luck at it anyway, but if that fails I will definitely note these down

[lament path]

If you want to brute force it you could flute to an altar for a (random) bonus to stats and put on some armour reducing/ignoring totems. Courage boosts health more than other virtues to prevent getting 1-2 shot.

Osceldas should have an easy time surviving since they can heal and play defensively.

[knotty sedge]

I just did that bear with a guy from region chat. It just one shot me with a jump attack every time

[lament path]

From the main quest or out in the wilds?

[knotty sedge]

Main quest. I started yesterday 😅

[smoky crater]

that'd do it

[knotty sedge]

I had no clue it will be devastating

[smoky crater]

meant for slightly more advanced players that quest

[lament path]

Yeah, the bear prepares you for the rest of the content.

[smoky crater]

but there's nothing atm that stops you from getting to it within like 1.5h of gameplay

[lament path]

It would be evil to invite a new player to the north east bear

Also does cogah have a limit on level scaling?

[smoky crater]

feel like there should be some requirements for the waste bear fable tbf because it is a bit more difficult

[smoky crater]

proooobably nothing actually achievable. so probably 9999

[lament path]

It is a spike in difficulty and a lot of people get either surprised by the damage it deals, the armour it has or both

[knotty sedge]

Or just not guide me there in the first place 😅

[smoky crater]

we already know enemy levels go past 1000 so most likely 9999

thanks to a group who did... a way too long run of the old endless glades tile

[lament path]

I have been noticing it just keeps going on, level 84 was my last check in.

Hollowing isnt dropping 😔

[smoky crater]

i just got it yesterday right after getting treefell from mendicant king finally 👀

[lament path]

I am on my long cogah run, got treefell, copy of durglint, picktrix, splitbolt and flitsmoke. Honestly I had been too lucky with my previous runes.

Only need hollowing and torrent to drop now 😔

Almost every rune dropped within three bosses for me I think, all that borrowed luck from current me..

Probably should be changed in the wiki that cogah level scales with every boss slain on top of the increased levels.

[exotic gale]

Is this our 11th Long Blade now?

Boy, I hope we get 10 more long blades before we get another shield weapon

[lament path]

It really has been tough trying to main shields and magic sidearms in term of choices.
Looking at long and short blades

[smoky crater]

oh damn... i thought it was earlier but it was Preludes 5 when Oryn-Umbr was added and Preludes 7 when Bog & Myrtle got added

thought it was like P3/4 and P6

[mellow moat]

Is Ode Tempest still trash?

[exotic gale]

I don't believe it got changed in P13, so it's probably still lower tier with Mora's Hand compared to the other pacts

[mellow moat]

Last time I checked, it got nerfed to the ground. Wanna check with anyone who has tested it lately

Mora is not low tier, its nasty now.

but yea it is still lower on the totem pole than others maybe.

Daaaang looks like Bromius took a bit of a nerf as well. what the hey

Wow this update kinda balanced alot but some pacts took a few hits with the balancing of points in all pacts except Wyld pacts

[cloud palm]

Anybody know where I can farm fragments of the dwellion?

[exotic gale]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Dewelion

[arctic cedar]

Depends what you expect, I think it's pretty balancedz but also I am biased and I barely use skills and just grapple to enemies all the time

Grapple is def improved tho

[cloud palm]

What exactly are the enemies Vella and Hewyl?

[exotic gale]

Agari bosses. Click their names in the Wiki to find their locations. They respawn every 30min

Kearnhold Siege & Collector respawns every 3hrs

[cloud palm]

I see

[mellow moat]

Yea I love grapple. I think the animation should be alot faster tho imo. It would shine. Like insta port. Lotta people dont know how to use it. Wish they would have never nerfed the damage though

[cloud palm]

Thanks for the info, let's see how good this sword is

[arctic cedar]

With all the changes I can recommend to try it again, it's my fav pact, once you grapple you can't go back

With how grace works now it also makes back stabbing more reliable I think

[meager hill]

I have a bugged quest right now... Do you guys know a fix about nimrod not spawning?

[umbral egret]

I think I don't quite understand how to increase my courage to equip a new weapon.

I thought at first to equip another virtue prism but it doesn't look like there are any that offer a higher Courage bonus than the one I'm using that came with the Courage virtue. I've level as much into courage with Tethryn's upgrade points as it lets me, but I'm only at 15/16 to equip a polearm. How do I raise this?

[halcyon thicket]

Go south of fort curlail and enter the glades

[halcyon thicket]

Talismans

And pact upgrade trees

[mellow moat]

I might try that. Im loving Moras hand though. Its so powerful. All the skills are useful and synergizes so well now. Proud of DE what they did to it

[umbral egret]

Really? I'm maxed out on points I can spend into courage for Tethryn and I'm only 15/16. It seems silly I need to go find and craft another amulet to use a basic weapon type but okay, thank you

[turbid vapor]

Fort kearnhold siege gave me nothing other than ode infamy the last two times im looking for dewelion too

[mellow moat]

Why is everyone talking about Dwelion? Its an okay longsword with slow charge stab

[lofty trail]

I've got a question about what they intend to address the core gameplay loop. Like what we have now can't be what the actual game will be wanting us to do right?

[turbid vapor]

Need it for my collection

Lol

[halcyon thicket]

Yeah i agree, we're tryina give feedback about that

[mellow moat]

I see

All pacts were nerfed with healers hand? Dang DE

[lofty trail]

I haven't been paying close attention I'd really like to know if they've talked about any plans? Cus right now none of the games core features feel good in any way. The current gameplay loop is just asking players to speed run objectives and not engage with the games systems despite this being intended to be a slower game and not like Warframe

[mellow moat]

they need to add a que to bosses to make it easier. The current meta is redundant for sure. We escpecially need que for Cogah mode. Currently trying to find the most reliable build and/or pact to solo Cogah.

[lofty trail]

What do you mean by que for bosses?

[normal sail]

public matchmaking

[mellow moat]

Que for co-op

[umbral egret]

He means queue

[lofty trail]

Ah nah I figured and that would make our lives easier but it's the same issue was wow, where it just causes us to ignore mechanics and speed farm. I don't think that's a healthy direction for the game to go in

[tulip crater]

Guys i'm doing boss route , but its been almost 2 days that nimrod doesnt reswpan.. is that normal?

[narrow fable]

does anyone know if the bow is bugged where u get the torrent with no pull smite

[mellow moat]

Q is very necessary. Or they need to add leaderboards for it.

otherwise they run the risk of losing players and not retaining because we gatekeep the harder content

[lofty trail]

The part that makes me nervous is the game just feels like their art team doing a lot of great work but their actual dev team has absolutely no direction and no idea how to build a game that's interesting to play outside of "I gotta do these chores so I can collect everything" and then they have nothing to engage them with the game after that

[clear vessel]

Kith of kings (rank two) gives a prism for that.

And also a plus 6 courage accessory

You'll need at least one of the two

To have enough strength to properly use the Arbear greatsword the one that looks like a saw.

[clear vessel]

3 stars so it has better stats then 2 and 1 star weapons

Also cuz it's hard to get

[sly escarp]

It's bugged to not have a scaling cap right now

[mellow moat]

oh wow lol.

I wonder what thats like. Probably could take advantage in hard mode with it like crazy

[lofty trail]

Honestly I kinda fail to see the point. It's just a convenience feature, and one that would skip past players interacting

[mellow moat]

Moot point indeed. Im lazy tho

[sly escarp]

Well, there's still the innate limit of only being able to stack so much Grace at once

[lofty trail]

Like I do want less friction in this game, but I care more about the dev team adding in parts of the game that make it interesting

[sly escarp]

Think the cap rn is...70?

For Grace?

Ah, maybe 72, think that math was before today's hotfix

[mellow moat]

So Courage now pertains to Life. And grace is stricly damage?

[sly escarp]

Dewelion is a Grace scaling weapon

[exotic gale]

how did somebody get their grace that high in the 70s? last i saw was somebody getting in the 60s with the potion + singing totem

[lofty trail]

@sly escarp also I'm kinda dumb, is this the chat devs would check for player feedback or would that be something else. I got yelled at by players in game for yapping too much about my issues with the game so idk where to air my greivences lmao

[dapper rain]

C12/G6/S3? HP

[sly escarp]

Potion, singing totem, +6 Talisman, Saphenes Shadow, max Pact Virtues, and Howl

[mellow moat]

They need to take away the pacts synergizing to specific Virtues.

[sly escarp]

#1438224662344761345 is where the devs look for feedback!

[exotic gale]

Ah, probably Howl was the last thing

[lofty trail]

Ah ty

[sly escarp]

They mostly don't?

Pacts have 3 abilities, each of which scales with a virtue

[finite stone]

It's really pretty

[sly escarp]

Orengal's grace ability just adds more grace

[spare badge]

More accurately, they might need to rework it or re-order some pact abilities to make more sense.

[mellow moat]

Yea I see now. Makes the pacts alot better

[mellow moat]

my sentiments exactly

[lofty trail]

Do they care about this chat much or do they ignore it lmao. I keep seeing people say "nah they ignore this they only look at the forums" and they'll say the opposite

[clear vessel]

Oh wow I kinda wanna mess around with that before it gets fixed

[sly escarp]

They do read the feedback and bug reports, as far as I know

But the general chats move so fast these aren't a guarantee

[finite stone]

To people in the Discord, DE only read the forums; and to people in the forums, DE only read the Discord

In reality, the grass is reasonably green on both sides

[clear vessel]

Orengal gives like 30 briefly on howl?

10 for ten minutes via the lil song totem guys

And I think like? 20? For an hour via the shade walked, Silent rose potion recipe.

[sly escarp]

The cap we found was 13

[spare badge]

We're in the first phases of a new setup for how pacts and weapons and armor work with virtues, so we'll see how it goes. A bit of adjusting here, a reording of abilities in some pacts there, and things might start coming together well.

[sly escarp]

On Howl

Soft cap due to Grace limits

[clear vessel]

True, wolf doesn't really synnergize with stealth or headshots

Since the 1 only gets 1 guy and always 1 shots.

And the minions jerk enemies around unpredictably.

So the only grace bonus damage is on pull smite.

[lofty trail]

Hope so. Not that I think I deserve the time of day I've just been hopping on for a week or 2 ever prelude and I'm not seeing the changes I'd hoped for.
At most I'd just like some insight from the devs talking about where they plan on talking the game systems as a whole.

[spare badge]

2 if you're quick enough.

[sly escarp]

They don't usually respond, but they definitely read

[clear vessel]

Honestly given that the wevet seed bug is still around the hotfixes are probably rolled out after some windup.

Hopefully next hotfix fixes it

[sly escarp]

Usually responses come via Devstreams and patch notes

[clear vessel]

Honestly that feels like it relies more on enemy positioning (since they basically need to be right in front of you, doesn't feel like there's enough time to even spin 180 degrees)

[visual radish]

And envoy hours

[spare badge]

That's part of it, but you still have to be quick enough to take advantage of it.

[languid escarp]

is the organ pretty stuttery for everyone? (rest of the game runs smooth)

[lofty trail]

Oh no I ment like as part of their dev streams or patchnotes. Like I just haven't heard any good news from their announcements at all

[placid condor]

Where do I get fragments of the for king set? Is that undercity?

[mellow moat]

Thats where I got my set, from undercity.

[sly escarp]

From doing Kith faction tales

[sly escarp]

Removed from Undercity chests in p11

[mellow moat]

ahh I see. Then grinding Faction and purchase from faction vendor is only way

[sly escarp]

Can also drop as Tale rewards

[placid condor]

THANK YOU!

[sly escarp]

When with Kith of Kings

[mellow moat]

Faction vendor or drops sometimes from tales drop. Sorry about that. So much has changed lol

[placid condor]

No worries!

[undone minnow]

why is there a tale

[sly escarp]

Did you just finish a tale

[undone minnow]

no i just logged on

did the organ, but thats it

[charred sand]

Is it worth the purchase?

[finite stone]

you unlocked the secret level

[normal sail]

spaghetti code probably got extra saucy with the hotfix

[finite stone]

which item are you talking about?

[charred sand]

The game lol sorry

[finite stone]

oh the game is free to play!

[sly escarp]

It's in pre alpha though

[normal sail]

-# and only on pc via an invite code

[charred sand]

Yeah I was thinking about getting one of the founders for access

[mellow moat]

Worth imo

[charred sand]

👍

[tired adder]

Is there a way to hide blood?

[knotty moon]

Not that I know of.

Not that there is a lot of it in the first place.

[eager flame]

quick question is there a standing limit on factions ?

[knotty moon]

16k daily, though you can bypass it through tokens.

[eager flame]

okie okie

thanks

[clear vessel]

Fair enough

[spare badge]

I've had a quite few times where enemies will move into range while attacking Werewalker while he's ragdolling the first enemy. That part very much depends on what type of enemy is nearest the target. Archers and casters tend to move away, melee attackers tend to take a few swings, putting themselves right in range.

[thorny glen]

how do i turn in faction tokens? there's no dialogue for it

ah, SELL

its just an item i sell

[clear vessel]

Sell tab in where're my standing

[clear vessel]

Ah whoops this was off screen for me

hmmmmmmm

[thorny glen]

trees can grow anywhere

[umbral egret]

Is there any reliable way to farm Gossamer Quartz? I'm almost able to craft Garren Rood

[thorny glen]

crypt t3 force spawns 3 tombs that have them regularly

[umbral egret]

I don't think I'm high enough level for the crypt. I made my way over there yesterday and everything smashes me in moments.

[thorny glen]

then it's patrol yellow chests for you

the white glow ones are weak

[umbral egret]

Ah phooey. Thanks.

[clear vessel]

Yeah see those chests with the silver glow?

Dungeons and chock full of them

[red gull]

Yo I’m new to the discord, what’s the best way to level up weapons and pacts?

[clear vessel]

Called arena/endless

You can see people type "lf arena/endless"

Or that they're "h (the activity)" h stands for hosting.

Where 20 waves of the mockery enemies spawn.

[clear vessel]

Arena and endless asides

The more players the better

Exp is shared like in Warframe.

[red gull]

Ah that’s sick, if I wanted to host what’s the best way of finding it

[clear vessel]

Arena is a specific structure deer statue in the glades dungeon that you interact with to start em

Check the avakot wiki for what it looks like tho. I can't remember

Not a guarantee spawn either to clarify

[red gull]

Awesome, thanks!!

[fallow spire]

what's the most important thing you can use your arcs on?

I'm thinking additional weapon/pact slots, want to make sure

[celest yacht]

That’s what most people spend arcs on, or armor/weapons if you don’t have the time to farm the fragments

[marsh rune]

Does the polearm rune Splitbolt work with The Sly totem (40% damage to a nearby enemy)?

[lament path]

It should work as it had been working for me with everything that was an attack. It is one extra enemy generally but works perfectly on headshot throws and sneak attacks, 40% of extreme overkill can be another kill.

[fallow spire]

I've been offered two choices by reaching faction level 4 in KoK

cratesweight of moranite or verite: blessed by mora

[pulsar tundra]

I assume there is no difference in just out right purchasing gear/weapon vs crafting them.

[lament path]

As long as you just open chests I never had troubles with moranite or sappheline.

[fallow spire]

verite it is

[lament path]

Never really thought about those two materials, everything else is way more of a bottleneck

[fallow spire]

I saw that verite is a T3, which made me think it's "rarer" to earn/find

[lament path]

purchasing gets you a slot too from what I have heard, aside from that it is effort and luck vs spending your arcs on something that isnt fashion or slots

[lament path]

Blessed by joineries are currently the best weapon modifications for reforging.

[fallow spire]

@lament path sorry, but is "molten mora" the talisman that gives +6 courage?

[long grove]

yes

[fallow spire]

amazing, thank you!

[lament path]

according to avakot wiki it is

[marsh rune]

do you guys try to get all the bonus stat in a pact or just 1/2?

[clear vessel]

i mean i dont see why not, (admittedly building into the pact passive is probably more fun, but hitting harder is alot more consistent a buff)

[marsh rune]

been thinking about this tbh because I like tethren's healing factor a lot combined with the Healer feat, so I run out of points to fully get Saphene. I know Wyld Tethren probably solves this, but I can't afford founders' at the moment.

[long grove]

well just gotta do what you can. tbh prolly don't need 4 in conq, it's already being boosted by healer

[lusty salmon]

I would drop Conqueror to 1, probably not even take Healer, max all attributes, then get some of the Smite boosts on the bottom tree

[clear vessel]

wuld tethren will be farmable eventually so there's that too

[lunar atlas]

I guess its a typo Long Blade Sinecure

[fallow spire]

what's the best sidearm to proc smite? I'm trying to run a GS build with Everflame and wonder what's best to pair it with?

[long grove]

prolly flyblades for you then

just throw, bring out greatsword, wreak havoc

[lunar atlas]

Thrice Spurns

[fallow spire]

wish I had wyld tethren pack 🙁

[long grove]

skilter then

[lunar atlas]

or I guess Skilter

[fallow spire]

it's a grace attuned weapon no?

or that wouldn't matter?

[lunar atlas]

then put courage build for Skilter

rework

[fallow spire]

hmm, how does that work if you don't mind answering? 😄

I'm fairly new to the game

[lunar atlas]

check the latest hotfix 5

Virtue and Pact Changes
Reworked the Virtue Attunement requirements of various split-scaling weapons.,
Juniper: 15 Grace to 9 Grace and 7 Spirit.
Odiac: 14 Spirit to 8 Spirit and 8 Courage.
Skílter: 14 Grace to 7 Grace and 7 Courage.
Basker’s Wrest: 17 Spirit to 9 Spirit and 8 Courage.
Witan: 15 Grace to 7 Grace and 8 Spirit.

[fallow spire]

Basker’s Wrest: 17 Spirit to 9 Spirit and 8 Courage.
you just made me the happiest person ever lmao

I wanted to run that sidearm for too long lol

[lunar atlas]

awesomee im using it now too

[fallow spire]

amazing explanation from both of you, thank you very much! 😄

[lunar atlas]

you're welcome, Envoy

[keen loom]

I just bought the Founder's Edition after having a free key, and now when I switch to the Wild covenant, I can't activate skills 2 and 3. Is this a bug? I've already upgraded the skills, and it still only lets me use one of the three.

[lunar atlas]

Its locked, you need to level rank it first

[keen loom]

it worked, ty

[clear vessel]

Flyblades

[lunar atlas]

you're welcome! Thanks for supporting the game ✨

[fallow spire]

How to access Mirifuir and Castle Kearnhold?

I couldn't find any way to interact with the doors of the two castles to enter

[clear vessel]

wheres that first one, kearnhold, has a banerett that drops the key on the side adjacent to the town

[neat night]

welcome \ ( * . * ) /

[fallow spire]

the first one is in the southwest of the map

south east actually

the only caste in south of the map

[fallow spire]

weird, I didn't find anything when I was there

[clear vessel]

yeah that one is not siege-able could be in the future but idk

[fallow spire]

I'm not going to do the siege itself 😄

just looking for the area motes

or is it the same case?

[clear vessel]

its surprisingly easy to solo, but lso i dont remember how i got the area motes.

[clear vessel]

good news its still history motes https://wiki.avakot.org/Fort_Kearnhold

[fallow spire]

so only one of them can be discovered, not bad

I need one more area revealing to reach envoy level 12 😄

[clear vessel]

this will help https://soulmap.avakot.org/P12

[fallow spire]

I have it open on my laptop's monitor 😄

[clear vessel]

hooray for information

[fallow spire]

really appreciate your help buddy

[clear vessel]

no prob have fun!

[fallow spire]

bless ♥️

[rain sundial]

@glossy gorge i think i’ve invited you several times doing stag together

[glossy gorge]

thanks thankss!

[candid star]

Hey- so- question- I haven't used Trick of the Light because it doesn't take agro half the time- but didn't think to question it- is there certain conditions where enemies won't agro onto the clone?

[rain sundial]

We can organize a stag spam by spamming relog and continuosly inviting each other in turns, you can copy paste your password so just check tree ~ logout ~ ctrl+v ~ check tree

[rain sundial]

I think it’s just buggy or there’s this aggro value and the aggro value of the clone isnt as big as our character

Always works when im invisible, cause maybe there’s nothing for the enemies to attack other than the clone

Other times, when clone in the middle, a group of enemies, some target the clone, some chasing me

[candid star]

Huh- Interesting.

idk though- feels pretty useless to use invisibility AND my clone at the same time though- For me, I see it kinda like doubling down on removing agro on me- which feels kinda wasteful to do?

If it always works if you're invisibile though, it's probably agro value

[fallow spire]

@clear vessel still here?

sorry for being a pain 😄

[clear vessel]

oh did i miss something?

[fallow spire]

I'm about to ask for information if you do not mind

[clear vessel]

sure

[fallow spire]

this is the castle I'm speaking of

the one I'm standing right outside, how to access that one?

[clear vessel]

also no way in so far

[fallow spire]

how about history motes? same case?

[chilly brook]

which of the class is fun to use?

[fallow spire]

I saw that in soulmap it's showing and its name is available as well, that's why it's confusing

[fallow spire]

it's all about personal preference, after all you can swap between classes as much as you want later on

[clear vessel]

i havent found any yet, so im not sure

[chilly brook]

oh ok

[fallow spire]

pick something you'd be comfortable with playing during the first half of the game, I myself picked tethren/courage

[fallow spire]

oh okay then, sorry again and thank you!

[rain sundial]

It is what it is, many pacts still bugged, such as rood’s stampede, if im not the host, i only deal stagger and no damage

[chilly brook]

i see

is courage like tank, spirit kinda like healer and grace pure dps?

[rain sundial]

Orengall’s 1st skill doesnt have any animation against non ode enemies, so basically useless for some enemies

[fallow spire]

courage is more like strength, raw damage let's say

[chilly brook]

i see

[fallow spire]

you'll have better survivability

grace is all about magical power

caster, spell user

grace is more speedy, dexterity if you're familiar with the word

[chilly brook]

what are the moon/sun simple on equipment mean?

[fallow spire]

can you elaborate?

[fallow spire]

aha, that's the item's corresponding virtue

green is spirit

red is courage, blue is grace

[chilly brook]

oh ok,

[fallow spire]

it's what the item scales with

virtues are more like stat points let's say

[clear vessel]

no grace is precision/stealth dps with headshot and backstab and finisher bonus

[chilly brook]

i see

[serene lotus]

Is The Waste Bear final boss fight bugged? How do I leave?

[chilly brook]

where my head T.T?

[fallow spire]

happens 😄

[clear vessel]

at least its not stretching out in triangular shapes

[chilly brook]

which weapon most interest? i saw that flyblade XD but no idea how it is

but guessing that for grace?

[fallow spire]

your access to weapons currently is very limited

[chilly brook]

i see

[fallow spire]

you'll be stuck with wulder for a little bit, then you'll be able to farm more weapons and so on

[chilly brook]

how do u throw the long blade?

[fallow spire]

aim then heavy attack

[chilly brook]

it have a skill call "perfect throw"

oh ok

[fallow spire]

as for the perfect throw, wait til the meter reaches the highlighted area then release

[chilly brook]

will we get enough point to max every art later?

[fallow spire]

with one weapon, no

I'm not entirely sure, but with the small amount of weapons we have now we cannot max it out 😄

[true notch]

you can with short blades and long blades atm

[fallow spire]

oh, I didn't know that 😄

[true notch]

as there's just too much of them

[clear vessel]

honestly perfect throw is really really strong and fun, but also i personally wouldn't reccomend using it during long play sessions, as someone who's fingers hurt after gaming for too long at once

[chilly brook]

lol

alsoi, is smite like random?

[jolly dome]

I'm a little confused on how to pick which area to go to for leveling, I'm trying to level a new class and online guides seem to say to go to high level areas, but when I do the tales I get to bosses that take no damage and I die a lot

[clear vessel]

its this games crit chance, instead of bonus damage its damage and some bonus effects, like runes (for runes, check avakot wiki too much to type out at once)

[clear vessel]

enemy levels go up the more north east you go,

ideally go in a party for the xp share

dont forget to bring armor strip (some animals give that as an equip to your weapon)

and also runes (see agari on the avakot wiki)

[jolly dome]

I see, I'll look that up, thanks, if I bring the right runes would I be able to beat the high level monsters even from a low level or do you just kinda start west and move over slowly?

[dusty hare]

i am happy to see hotfixes

[lusty arch]

guys I wish I had recorded this

so I was doing organ with a squad and they were up top I was still at the bottom of the elevator
guy is firing the organ and stuff and then I see "Oops" in chat
when I was going up I asked "Wha happen?" and then I found them in the organ chamber both dead 💀

[lament nacelle]

All the weapons are great imo, tho im partial to Sword and Shield thanks to the fact that throwing your weapon actually throws the shield instead lol

[lunar atlas]

waiting game

[dawn arrow]

You know what they say, Patience is a virtue 😇

[candid star]

Quick question- I’m thinking of eventually running a Spirit/Grace build (I love my abilities)- but how much spirit is available without super heavy investment? I still need standing with Rose to get the prisms I want to run something like that

[lunar atlas]

I always tell that to my friends when they're gonna rush their stuff in-game 😆

[clear vessel]

oh yeh i think the one shots in organ come from those carts that explode when hit by the organ

[sage socket]

Omg where can I find stag...

[hexed hazel]

I wish heavy attack was just "press light attack button longer" instead of a separate button. Or at least have it as an option

[clear vessel]

oh hey i think i saw you in recruiting chat, here use this https://soulmap.avakot.org/P12

[sage socket]

LMAO yes that was me 😭

Thank uuuu

[paper jetty]

does the bow drop? did a bunch of organs and no bow

[oak furnace]

I lucked out and got the bow and sword in 5 runs

For Avex.. there's punch through for fully charged shots. This doesn't play well for detonating embedded arrows.. it detonates arrows where the shot stops and a fully charged shot doesn't stop at the enemy. Also, the Torrent rune targets the volley of arrows where the shot ends so charging shots for extra damage while that rune is going is bad... unless you have beef with the wall behind the enemy.

If you use the bow without modifying the skill tree you'll lose points built around arrow hail but also the punch through makes the embedded arrow skills less reliable. I'd hate to have to re-spec the bow tree every time I swap between bows/builds. When you get the bow, there's also a few totems that should be re-evaluated as they build on arrow hail or splintering buried arrows.

[clear vessel]

i got 2 fragments in 5 attemps

[clear vessel]

leg shots might help since u can down them and detonate too

[oak furnace]

Forgot to mention that the charge time on shots is pretty long for Avex. I had trouble getting the aerial shot bonus from The Voyager totem to proc. Most likely because I suck in dolby dhx surround sound

[oak furnace]

yep, That how I got some to detonate. Also once when they were right in front of a wall. Leg shots run against the headshot damage bonuses we get so nicely rewarded for so I don't think it's worth trying to build stagger or whatnot through embedded shots

[scenic solar]

What is the option to turn in faction tokens?

[clear vessel]

i think my bird got killed on the way up the tower

[clear vessel]

sell tab when youre at the faction shop

just stuck at this angle cant die cant respawn

[lament nacelle]

I remember someone asking what Blunt damage did and i think i figured it out after using Rook for awhile and now swapping to a new spear. I think it increases the chance for a knockdown when thrown, or atleast thats a part of it. its probably why Shield throw almost always knocks people down, cause they are technically blunt damage when thrown. Rook, with the stagger perk from the tree, will pretty much stunlock everything, even high level Agari bosses

[vagrant kayak]

I believe most of the damage types don't really do anything right now, the knockdown may be from the Combat Art that increases stagger on thrown attacks, both Polearms and Shields have that node I believe

[lament nacelle]

I dont think Shields have that, but i have noticed that i was able to stunlock bosses with shield throw even when i first started using shields and even when i first started using Rook(hadnt gotten the stagger perk yet) and was able to stunlock bosses with it

okay nevermind Shields DO have it

but point still stands since i was noticing how it was stunlocking things when i first started lol

[vagrant kayak]

It very well might mean increased stagger, damage types haven't really been a thing so far, I imagine they'll see a pass

I mean Basker's Wrest should be doing fire damage at the very least, Igne Mora as well probably

[lament nacelle]

yeah i think its doing so much on thrown attacks cause it seems throwing your weapon does WAY WAY more damage

[knotty imp]

saw a thumbnail of the new bow hitting like 20k dmg??

[lament nacelle]

Bows have always hit hard. With Alcas Breath rune and headshots with high Grace you can hit some nutty numbers.

[knotty imp]

I've seen around 2k with that setup on maestro but 20k is insane

[lament nacelle]

with a team with buffs Sara was able to hit 98k

[knotty imp]

✋ ✋

[lament nacelle]

that was also like 2 preludes ago during the courage meta tho

[verbal galleon]

Hi everyone, i won this castle already but it appears again, is that normal ?

[oak furnace]

It takes them 30 minutes to blow up a new balloon IIRC

[verbal galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-gojo-satoru-satoru-gojo-gojo-shocked-gif-15515460030128868072

[lament nacelle]

i mean you try blowing up a balloon that size with only your lungs

[oak furnace]

Is that why Mendis Gyon needs the Organ? To blow up the balloons we keep popping on the keep sieges? Are we the cause of this environmental disaster?

[lament nacelle]

maybe

[clear vessel]

I have seen magic type attacks shred through the Oden artillery tanks while physical attacks don't seem to hit it nearly as hard.

[clear vessel]

If you're not saying this jokingly, u got organ lore bits from doing it, and it does explain what it actually does.

[knotty moon]

To be fair that is the only interaction that is actually noticeable.
At least by me.

[earnest jasper]

who still needs a key ??

[vagrant kayak]

There's a magic/physical difference yes but the difference between say Sharp and Blunt and Arcanic Voltaic aren't as distinct

[oak furnace]

def joking

[clear vessel]

Ah good to know

Well to be fair arcanic has the magnet bubble status.

(Really weird for it to be on bows tho since you typically aim for a headshot, and if you land one they aren't gonna be alive for that bubble to matter

[scenic solar]

Woot, got a small secondary goal done 😄

[severe hedge]

With the new hotfixes and changes to standing gain perhaps this isnt necessary but it feels like it would top Organs off as properly rewarding - Organs should provide standing gain for your currently allied enclave tbh

i have no idea why they dont lol

[tepid chasm]

imo organs and sieges should give standing

[hexed hazel]

I'd say the same for the forts. There is literally no reason to do them. Once I got all the weapon frags from the Organs I just stopped doing them.

[severe hedge]

its weird that you can take them up as votives and they dont provide standing lmao I want to chalk it up to a broad oversight. I actually really love the loop rn I have of going through dungeons for standing, popping out on the other end, running an Organ, doing another votive, do that, pop out near a siege, clear that and repeat . The problem is, this slows standing gain artificially because I have to go out of my way to do the Organs and Sieges with no standing reward. If i want to max standing reward faster, i still have to only focus on max votives. I wish Organs and sieges were just better incorporated into the standing system

[hexed hazel]

Easy fix would be adding faction turn-ins they have just introduced as a completion reward for organs/forts.

[scenic solar]

I mean that's basically everything. I'm not doing Cogah until I have everything leveled (just so I'm not dead weight), and well, Got all the Mockery armor so done with that boss, got all the Mockery weapons so no reason to actively farm them, got all the Bear gear, got all the Stag gear so will only really run those if they're the T3,

Got all of Mendicant King's stuff, once I finish the Organs will have no reason to do them as they'll never pop up on bounties

[severe hedge]

Thats a good idea. Legit anything will work.

What I want to see though is word from the devs on virtue prisms. In order to make virtue prisms work and act as dynamic lenses then Pact abilities have to get more interesting. We are missing a fourth ability (i actually miss the ultimate abilities we had tbh). One idea, just to throw out an example, is that as the game gets more complex, grace, spirit, and courage arent gonna cut it as the only primary scaling for the game. Eventually I hope to see a secondary prism with secondary "virtues". I think this opens up more design space with pacts in general. And you can even probably tie in weapon arts into the virtue system as well. Not as in a virtue prism provided weapon arts, but that a separate system of weapon arts is directly tied to your scaling of a given virtue prism-

So for example you can bring back some of the freedom of virtue point assignments by allowing the preassigned points from the new prisms to be a marker both of that virtue scaling, but also the amount of points you have to drop into a weapon art tree or something like that

all just ideas obv cause i dont know how good of a concept these are

but i just hope we get wind of their vision for prisms in the near future as the playerbase gets a good amount of playtime with them

[dawn arrow]

Part of me does but another doesn't, I don't want everything to give the same standing. Dungeons double points/World Tokens feel perfect. Like literally you have a chance of getting tokens just by doing those events.
I wish that Organ/Sieges/Similar events have their own new progression system.

[tepid chasm]

that's valid

maybe Ode infamy will be it when it becomes relevant

[dawn arrow]

Also post hotfix 5, Organs have a really nice Scrap Brass drops. Maybe I wont complete the event when I have all the items, but sure Ill pass by to grab those scraps if they are on my way 🐰

[fossil granite]

played for two hours yesterday, then the game crashed and i lost all my progress, xp, drops. anyone had the same problem?

[dawn arrow]

Someone reported something similar earlier

[strange fossil]

I didn't get reset that before but I did lose progress before

Now I go to the nightfold before I log off to make sure I get the tally's of my progress or whatever

It seemed to fix it

[fossil granite]

i mean i lost all of my progres from those two hours, not a complete reset

[strange fossil]

Ahh yea I've had it happen

Try checking in it hasn't happened for me anyway since I started doing that.

[fossil granite]

thanks for the advice, i will

[strange fossil]

It happened for me when I logged out after entering the silent rose enclave. I got back on and the quest wasn't even done

[verbal galleon]

is it possible with orengall pact to have more than one wolf summoned please ?

[strange fossil]

It is possible I think you have to level the pact

Packhunter ability needs to rank up

[hexed hazel]

Also afaik the number of wolves scale up with spirit

[strange fossil]

I think people are using werewalker still to get a third but they'll probably fix that

[verbal galleon]

yes i full spirit, but i dont play for very long

[hexed hazel]

At Pact Rank 30:
With 38 Spirit, up to 4 wolves may be active at once.
With ~12-37 Spirit, up to 3 wolves may be active at once.
Below 11 Spirit, up to 2 wolves may be active at once.

[strange fossil]

Lol 4 wolves and orengall popping in randomly for the maul is wild 🤭

[verbal galleon]

did yall follow the main story quest line before doing anything else ?

[strange fossil]

I did yea I can't wait for more of it I really enjoyed it

[verbal galleon]

i unlocked the groot like faction and do his quest but ... repetitive now

[hexed hazel]

Yes - those are votices or Sparrow Tales and you do them repeatedly to level up your faction level

[strange fossil]

You'll find little notes that give you more quests as you go along unless you choose to use YouTube to do them all really fast

[tepid chasm]

you should get Steelsinger, Brewer of hues and Waste Beary just following the quests

[strange fossil]

It guides you through the ancestor ones it seems then others I've just stumbled on to adventuring

Yeaaa that

[tepid chasm]

Atm only Shewolf Snared needs to be found specifically

as well as the 3 small unmarked quests

[lament path]

Brewer of hues doesnt need to be found anymore?

[strange fossil]

I stumbled on a Nimrod one I didn't know about last night

[tepid chasm]

nope, after Steelsinger it guides you to the glades

[lament path]

That is a nice change for new players, fashion is critical after all.

[urban escarp]

Hi all! Have a good day. If I just registered on the official website, can I receive an invitation?

[strange fossil]

Haha I got the royal blue orengall set now

[strange fossil]

I have an invite code I can message to you I haven't used yet if you want

[tepid chasm]

Also gives some direction for new player progression so they can get used to playing the game before reaching the point of "figure out yourself"

[strange fossil]

I hope they add a lot more quests honestly so it doesn't turn into a grindfest 🥲

Mendicant king stuff is found through exploring the same way I picked up the depleted Nimrod quest?

[urban escarp]

I sent a message in Direct.

[strange fossil]

Alright there you go welcome to soulframe 🎉

[mild robin]

hey, anyone know how i can get that thing open?

[wet tulip]

shouldnt it open when the organ is destroyed?

[mild robin]

uhhhhh

[wet tulip]

i might be wrong

[halcyon thicket]

No, u shoot the glass inside

Behind the banneret

[strange fossil]

I missed that 😅 they put it in back

But I took the rope down and left lol

[mild robin]

sorry what is a/the banneret?

[halcyon thicket]

The boss inside

[strange fossil]

It's like a mini boss kinda thing

[mild robin]

oh the one that shows up once the doors open?

[clear vessel]

Nope they changed it so you need to manually break all 3 glass tubes in the center of the organ now

[wet tulip]

i always break em idk why xDDD

didnt know they were responsible for the chest cage

[strange fossil]

That chest has the organ loot in it?

[wet tulip]

i dont think so its a normal ode chest

[mild robin]

may i ask where exactly they are? i cant seem to find it or i might just be blind

[strange fossil]

Oh it looks so exclusive behind that cage lol

[wet tulip]

when the organ doors open and you fight the banerret. behind there is a central pillar with spinning electric tubes

[mild robin]

oh the thing that closes again when the fight is done? so i cant access it anymore if i dont do it before destroying the organ

[strange fossil]

I haven't tried yet but you can get the organ quest again at the trees

I seen it there and seen people farming it like that

[mild robin]

oh huh

[strange fossil]

World trees you discovered

[clear vessel]

Honestly the Oden chests drop like

Silcity and other weird crescent rocks that I don't use so I mostly ignore it

[wet tulip]

i mean as in i break the electric tubes but i dont loot the chest xDDD

https://giphy.com/gifs/this-is-fine-1n4iuWZFnTeN6qvdpD

if im going to destroy the organ ill destroy anything that can be destroyed

[finite stone]

Huh did they patch it in H5? In H4 you could open the grate by either manually smashing the tubes, or just completing organ

[finite stone]

Oh lmao sorry just saw this, I will update Organ page now thank you 🙏

[river tendon]

G'mornin Envoys; what is the trick to actually GIVING the new Faction Tokens TO the Leaders?

[spare badge]

This is the correct approach to the Ode. Unless you find some takable thunderstones somewhere. If you do, let people know they exist and then take them.

[spare badge]

Look up top of the View Favors window. It's got a Sell tab now. Click on that, and sell them to the faciton leader.

[river tendon]

AH! Def didn't see that yesterday! Thanks so much.

[dense burrow]

Why would the new bow use a melee heavy? Specially when arrow rain is that strong D:

[smoky crater]

Because old bow melee supremacy

Now just... Add back old bow melee light attacks too yes pls

I will give DE 2 dracs to get it back

[wet tulip]

ODE big legs

xD

[tulip crater]

Do armor pieces are a rare drop from bosses or im just unlucky ? Cause im getting very few

[dense burrow]

I mean, it's cool, but it does very low dmg and doesn't break armor that much, shielded enemies laugh at you lol, arrow rain breaks it a lot faster

[wet tulip]

its just a different gimmick for bows you arent forced to use it xD

[dense burrow]

Who said anything about being forced or whatever? xD, I am just giving my opinion

[wet tulip]

the fact arrow hail is better then the bow melee attack known to everyone xD

[dense burrow]

I can write it again if I wish so xD, first time trying the bow, just unlocked it, giving my opinion, that's it, I don't care if it's been said before, apart from that, the melee attack should break armor faster than it does and/or do more dmg

[wet tulip]

i agree if the bow lore claims it to be strong it should do major dmg

guess we wait for DE to buff that melee attack

[clear vessel]

yep

[dull spire]

Guys... I just find out you can have a puppy? xD Is it from a questline?

I have almost all items, all runes, all pacts, nearly finished 2 factions and i think i missed a quest?

[amber bolt]

"Damn, why am I dying so quickly and why does the bow deals so little damage compared to yesterday!?"
spends several hours going around before getting in Nighthold to check

[smoky crater]

you wouldn't understand

[wet tulip]

big respect

[ruby girder]

Nice Circade armor 👍

[somber pumice]

Oscelda's Bestone doesn't work when you're not hosting right?

[wet tulip]

should work

[somber pumice]

Well I'm playing with a friend (host) for days now and it petrified only 2 enemies in at least 50 casts

We thought it could be ping but 40~60ms should be fine

[wet tulip]

im client works for me

[somber pumice]

Weird. It really never works for me

[smoky crater]

and the ping's not like jumping up at random points?

[somber pumice]

No.

[smoky crater]

hmm

[somber pumice]

Stable. We live in neighbour cities.

[smoky crater]

wacky stuff

[halcyon thicket]

It doesn't stone enemies

You get the effect for 1-2 seconds

But they don't stay petrified

[lament path]

Generally assume for now that if you are a client that petrification from oscelda doesnt work. That has been the case for a while

[hexed hazel]

I've noticed that it fails to trigger especially on mockeries when they are mid-animation

It works - just unreliably.

[kind roost]

isn't pure spirit scaling bad or do i missremember

[lament path]

Pure spirit has the lowest hp but fastest pact cooldowns

[amber bolt]

Don't know the specific builds but I didn't notice I had equipped that so I didn't get any scaling from the weapon nor the armor XD

[kind roost]

i got 142 dmg on juniper atm with 32 grace 8 spirit with orengall pact

finally finished maxing rose enclave will get oscelda pact and swap to alca to get orengall armor so much more to farm -_-

[clear vessel]

shewolf snared https://wiki.avakot.org/The_Shewolf_Snared

[clear vessel]

tbf, the arrow piercing on charged shots, means it cant reliably detonate arrow rain embeds

[knotty moon]

You got kick for shielded enemies.

[somber pumice]

Not even the damage effect. I'm saying because when I'm hosting it works very differently. I feel it actually "works" and when I'm client it does nothing besides a minimal stagger from the cast.

[spare badge]

Avakot didn't have what he wanted in stock, so he went all to pieces.

[wet tulip]

so close yet so far xDDD

[amber bolt]

Btw was Mastery sped up in the latest update? I swear it wasn't going so fast before today

Also, the daily cap is so annoying 🥲
I already maxed my reputation gain for today

[spare badge]

They added XP gains to charming animals.

[amber bolt]

Weird, I don't think I charmed many animals today

[wet tulip]

i believe xD

but highly unlikely this will be enough for MR 18 xD

[spare badge]

I think the XP is just applied to pact/weapons?

[wet tulip]

didnt you say they added exp to charming animals xD?

ah you meant normal exp

not MR

[spare badge]

I think the Xp they added goes to the weapons/pacts.

Yeah. That's the way I read it.

[wet tulip]

i sure feel dumb not lvling my fey pact when it was P8 xDDD

[chilly brook]

oh, we have to craft the pact to use dif weapons?

[amber bolt]

Btw how do I Reposte with bows?

Their skill tree has a Riposte node but right click is zoom and wheel click has the hail

[errant torrent]

Bro I finally found the blacksmith last night. I've played for like 14 hours wondering where I get my weapons from. I'm so excited, I've got a polearm and a dagger building (courage starter)

[amber bolt]

Also my OCD is getting happier and happier :3

[wet tulip]

where can i find full totem list?

im trying to figure if i need to farm my last animal in cogah or not xD

ah nvm didnt see this

[regal shadow]

No, you can use any pact with any weapon, prisms are what matters

[sage socket]

What does capturing animals do? Does it increase a stat or something

[regal shadow]

You get totems which you put on you weapons to make them stronger

[wet tulip]

each animal = totem= weapon mod

[errant torrent]

Pacts are ability sets, right? Am I understanding that right? I still only have my starter pact

[spare badge]

You don't capture any animals. You eithe free them from cages, or play bad music at them. Eithe way, they give you a trading card and run off.

[sage socket]

Thank uuuuu

[regal shadow]

Basically, yes

Think of them as warframes

[errant torrent]

What's a warframe

I'm jk

[regal shadow]

Hah

[chilly brook]

i see

how do we lvl up weapon art?

like my longsword been lvl 2 for a while

[regal shadow]

By leveling up different weapons of the same type, each maxed weapon will give you 5 points

[spare badge]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Gameplay#Item_Leveling Has info on when you gain arte points while leveling weapons.

[chilly brook]

ooo

guess i try to finish msq and try to farm some materials to craft new weapon

[spare badge]

When you level a weapon to level 30, you should have 5 artes points with that weapon to spend on artes nodes.

[chilly brook]

is it better to focus on complete main quest?

then worry about other stuff later?

how do i get in here?

[plucky fractal]

I'm a fairly new player and I did a mix of pursuing the main quest stuff that's there in the game right now (not too much currently) and exploring at my own pace, which I think is intentional

[spare badge]

Game doesn't have much in the way of linear play. It's supposed to be "play as you like" with just a few dependancies, like needing to complete Verminia fable before doing Waste Bear fable.

[spare badge]

Use soul mode to look for something to read, read it, follow instructions. it'll unlock the door.

Spoiler, if you need more help. Ignore if you don't want more direct directions. ||(after reading the poem, wait around in the area till night and a ghost knight will show up. Defeat him.)||

[loud sinew]

Ah yes pls Vella, drop more grinn instead of a single Dewelion

not like i killed you 25 times

_more grinn _

[exotic gale]

There's an easy hack to get Dewelion

If you pray to the RNG gods for Grinn frags, they'll give you Dewelion

[midnight dome]

howd u get a code to be able to play?

[vernal estuary]

you can get it at soulframe website and purchase a $30 bundle or get a friend code

[exotic gale]

welp

finally hit 1m dracs

i guess its time for me to get back to work so i can fail to make that irl

[spare badge]

Half way to the point at which you can legit complain.

[loud sinew]

Well, considering i can only kill him every half an hour

[spare badge]

The "you can't complain till you've done 50 runs with no luck" is something we started during the p8 gath and orengall armor farms. 😂

[loud sinew]

oh, excuse me for not knowing the ball knowledge

quick question, is this just lifesteal or what exactly does "regain hits" mean?

[sly escarp]

When using a melee weapon, when you are hit you have a short window to hit the enemy to regain some of that life, up to the amount dealt to you. A hit that regains life this way is a Regain Hit

[loud sinew]

is there a visual indicator or just a short time frame after the hit?

[sly escarp]

There is a visual indicator on your health bar

A bar will appear there and shrink. You can heal up to the bar's maximum

[rain mesa]

Hello folks, does anyone have a snapshot of where on the map the blacksmith helmet is? Everyone seems to find it but I have no idea. The sparrow just takes me to various places and stops.

[sly escarp]

Check the hill to the NE of the fort with the bridge

Fort Curlail

[loud sinew]

i wondered what the bar meant. And now, im curious how would i go about leveling verminia past 1.5? i cant brew anything new, do i really need to bestitch something? I wanted to save those thingies :>

[sly escarp]

You can't level her by bestitching (anymore)

You'll need new recipes

Such as the colours and potions that can be bought from each faction shop

[loud sinew]

cloudquell doesnt cut it anymore

[sly escarp]

Each faction sells 1 potion recipe and 1 colour recipe

[loud sinew]

oh, is that explained anywhere or DE as usual?

[sly escarp]

Either will contribute to Verminia's rank

[sly escarp]

Well, it is kinda explained if you notice the recipes in the shop

Otherwise, no, not really

[loud sinew]

gotcha, DE shenanigans

thank you very much

[sly escarp]

It's only a pre alpha so please excuse the lack of signifying and tutorials as everything is still very much being built!

But yeah DE shenanigans.

[loud sinew]

well, i have been playing since p9, i got used to the "rough" way of f'ing around and finding out, but i figured three "preludes" later it might have changed

[serene lotus]

So I tried doing my first organ and the "free your sludgey allies" objective disappeared from the top left and the vents became unclogged and I couldn't figure out how to progress anymore, but infinite enemies continued to spawn. Is this a bug, or was I doing something wrong and I just need to learn how to do the event?

[knotty moon]

Sounds like a bug.

[chilly brook]

i didn't know the time change XD, are there a way to fasten it?

[spare badge]

No.

[knotty moon]

Using a Cogah potion does make it skip to night, but probably not an option here.

[chilly brook]

i able to wait till night XD

[spare badge]

Time manipulating pact would be interesting though. Stasis, age, de-age. It could be a pact with an omen flea named Marty...

[chilly brook]

what is the most fun pact atm?

i saw there summoning pact and then fire focus on

[thorny glen]

warframe has wally, we get marty

[knotty moon]

Subjective, but personally I find myself always returning to Oscelda.

[chilly brook]

i see, is it easy to farm for materials to forge later on?

[spare badge]

Warframe has a Marty, too.

[thorny glen]

i like the fire one because i cast all my skills and now i can focus on weapon attacks

[knotty moon]

After a while you are going to have materials in truckloads and nothing to use them on.
But for the early/mid game it is probably a bit tight.

[spare badge]

WF can have Wally and Wally Jr. We've got Tim and Chair Shrimp.

[chilly brook]

yea, i find press F on harvest thing take ages XD

[spare badge]

Try changing keybind?

[chilly brook]

i meant, the time to harvest XD not the press F itself lol

[smoky crater]

Oh... Just roll over the plant and press f mid roll

You'll skip the pick up animation

[chilly brook]

hmm, i wanna play wizard, can i just create a new char? since im still at the beginning

[smoky crater]

Nop

[chilly brook]

so, can't delete the current char either XD?

[gilded rock]

You can eventually get the other pacts

[smoky crater]

Correct

[chilly brook]

i see

[half talon]

There is no way to reset characters at this time. You can work towards getting other pact and weapons if you would like to choose another path

[chilly brook]

guess i stuck with warrior for now

[smoky crater]

You can get the other starting gear without toooo much of a grind atm still

[ruby girder]

Wow has left a stain on gaming lol

[chilly brook]

hmm, i just finish with fireking dude, and there no new quest

[spare badge]

It's less of a grind now due to no timer on when you can switch factions and the increases in ability to gain faction rep faster.

[sly escarp]

Further quests often need to be discovered in the world, however, if your primary goal is getting the wizard style gear, going to a World Tree to run Votives for Faction Standing may be a good next step as well

[finite stone]

you don't really 'have warrior', you just happen to have some warrior-esque gear equipped temporarily

your character is you, they're not a set thing

[chilly brook]

i see

[finite stone]

go loot whatever gear you want, become whoever you want

[thorny glen]

ok so whats so special with the new sword from the organ?

[spare badge]

Absorb them cell by cell, shaping yours to imitate theirs...

[finite stone]

nothing, it's just an early game sword modelled on the one used by ode soldiers

it uses the cleaver moveset, so I guess that's a little special for early game Envoys?

[sly escarp]

Oh, hey, it does?

Sick

[finite stone]

I love it so much, I just wish it weren't a downgraded Marrow's Bane with a cooler model

weapon transmog can't come soon enough

[sly escarp]

Is the neutral attack base Cleaver or is it the Nurash combo?

[finite stone]

Base cleaver I believe, someone put a vid of the combo in the other day, need my second frag to test myself though

[sly escarp]

Ah. Got it finished crafting, will check it out then

[gilded rock]

Yeah but I can have my cleaver moveset since the rng gods don't want me to have Marrow's Bane.

[sly escarp]

Or Stultin

Both are weirdly annoying drops

[dire helm]

I got the new sword right off, and it gave me several extra frags while I tried to get the bow.

Finally got the bow cooking as of a few mins ago.

[sly escarp]

Same. 5 Falx, 1 Avex so far

[dire helm]

Now that that's done, I'm basically back to just needing gath, and I wish I knew which tree supposedly spawned stag tales most often.

Would be nice to level things while farming it.

[ebon wraith]

East/north east side a tree next to a small lake has bear/stag quite often for me

I hosted about 20 stags and bears in past 2 days

[dire helm]

One of these? 1, 2, or 3?

[ebon wraith]

2

[dire helm]

Ok, I'll spin that one for a while. Thanks 😄

[ebon wraith]

Anytime! Good hunting

[dire helm]

My normal farming routine has been 1 & 3, so I'll give 2 more attention. 🙂

[ebon wraith]

That tree also has tales 30+lvl and a bit less running then NE swamp for my taste

[thorny glen]

guys this new bow scares me where the arrow is pointing

[ebon wraith]

As long as it's not towards your knees all good xD

[thorny glen]

even the stab animation is reveresed

[dire helm]

Yeah someone over at DE just needs to open the model file and rotate the handle point 180 degrees.

[thorny glen]

even the arrow gets thrown upside down

[ebon wraith]

It's not a bug! It's a feature

[thorny glen]

so the gimmick is no arrow rain, but shots pierce

[dire helm]

And instead we have a very bad "heavy melee" attack.

[smoky crater]

Well you can get the other starter pacts and armor sets belonging to the other factions from the faction you started with so ya

[ebon wraith]

Now we need a pact that can group enemies