gameplay-discussion

[west meadow]

Became “now get out”

[mystic sedge]

We don't even know how our PRIMARY STATs are gonna function lmfao

[long grove]

was also implied that lotus was a team before

[left tangle]

there is also nothing wrong with worrying about the current state of the game. Judging what's in the game now instead of what might be changed perhaps someday maybe.

[shell smelt]

Problems arise when creativity has too much power over development. If it looks nice but doesn't function well then what's the point

[wet portal]

but there's no way synod aint a void lugger

[spare badge]

Void doesn't exist in SF.

[west meadow]

I mean the way the ode are portrayed feels similar

[left tangle]

actually WF and SF are both in the cosmere.

[shell smelt]

no way Synod isn't Bop Bip

[smoky crater]

we got Kur tho 👀
which probably is the equivalent of Hell

[spare badge]

Nope.

The true face of Synod:

[shell smelt]

The only game on the horizon that gives me a similar feeling to this is Light No Fire

[wet portal]

it's gonna be ||domestik drone||

💔

[west meadow]

Technically if you wanna get into eternalism the void is everywhere just in different forms

[wet portal]

void is more of a concept than a solid place

[spare badge]

Eternalism doesn't exist in SF.

[left tangle]

can't wait for Bromius protoframe 👌

[long grove]

well in eternalism yeah it's everywhere, but there also exists an equal amount of it being nowhere

[wet portal]

so she was nat-ah thought?

[west meadow]

But the very nature of eternalism means that by it not existing. It also exists

[spare badge]

Keep telling yourself that...

[wet portal]

"eternalism doesnt exist" is lowk oxymoronic

[west meadow]

Is that not what space philosophy class was talking about?

[long grove]

yeah it can exist... elsewhere. like infinite dimensions, there's an infinite amount of universes with the void, but also an infinite amount where it doesn't exist

[wet portal]

twas indeed

does rhe white flag in ur name mean something important

[spare badge]

Yet, it's not paradoxical or false.

[west meadow]

It’s supposed to be a trans flag but discord still hasn’t added it as an emoji

So it shows as two emoji

[edgy vortex]

🏳️‍⚧️

[west meadow]

Nor true

[edgy vortex]

Does that not show

[west meadow]

wtf

[wet portal]

uhm

[edgy vortex]

On ios i can just use the ios emojis to post it

You can copy that to your name tho

[wet portal]

yeah just copy paste it

[west meadow]

FINALLY

[edgy vortex]

Happy to help

[spare badge]

Keep telling yourself that...

[west meadow]

It’s been that way for 4 years lol

[wet portal]

ok glad u got it i can now transition back into a cis man

in terms of profile

[west meadow]

Replay the classroom segment

[wet portal]

because its both 😛

[spare badge]

WF and SF don't have any connection apart from both being made by DE. As per DE's own words.

[edgy vortex]

Thats what they want you to think

Big DE is hiding it from us

[wet portal]

game is in prerelease. canon isnt canon

[edgy vortex]

Beyond the sea is the drifter camp

[shell smelt]

didn't they just talk about using WF's lighting systems...

[left tangle]

FOX NEWS reports discord is now confirmed offering free transitions for its poor impressionable youth.

[spare badge]

Actually, THAT'S what they want you to think...

🤣

[wet portal]

the sheep in wolfs clothing

[west meadow]

They never said no connections

Just not the same universe

[spare badge]

Which is actually a lit stick of dynamite.

[west meadow]

In fact they confirmed the opposite

There will be tie ins

[wet portal]

there are already tie ins

[spare badge]

Confirmed non-canon.

[halcyon thicket]

They specifically said no connection other than being sibling games

[wet portal]

source?

[shell smelt]

So no real connections

[long grove]

probably something like void magic bs. but oh no, there's no void here, tenno can't use their powers. help them get home

[spare badge]

DE.

[long grove]

be cool

[west meadow]

Damn you were fast to read that tweet and write that out a split second after

[wet portal]

cite it blud

[shell smelt]

bruh read the tweet they aren't canonically connected just easter eggs

[spare badge]

The devstreams. Which ones, you'll have to look up yourself.

[smoky crater]

they have said the games are in separate universes on devstream(s) ._.

[halcyon thicket]

It was said on tennocon and multiples devstreams

[shell smelt]

anyone else going to TC this summer

[west meadow]

To be fair anyone would assume two games with similar names made by the same studio would be connected

[wet portal]

wasnt implying massive tie in - more of how rick and morty had the exact items fall out of a portal as the ones sucked in in gravity falls

[west meadow]

The naming is simply an unfortunate implication

[wet portal]

i do

[wet portal]

theyve implied it both ways acc

[shell smelt]

to that degree there might be but nothing that links the two from a story/lore perspective

[smoky crater]

wah

[spare badge]

They've also directly referenced Rick getting tech from the Predators, and other stuff.

[sly escarp]

They've explicitly said different universes

[wet portal]

never said there was a story/lore link. unless u took my message about snyod being domestik drone seriously

[dim wave]

EtErNaLiSm

[left tangle]

Like the drifter and the operator 👀

[shell smelt]

the guy said canonically and you asked him to cite it so I'm saying he's right there isn't anything cannonically connecting them

[spare badge]

Actually, no. Drifter and operator are from different timelines in the same universe.

[left tangle]

soulframe is just another version of the drifter that picked a different fantasy book to use for his trauma cage instead of duviri.

[wet portal]

lowk atp i think we're arguing more semantics than anything meaningful - truce?

or like moving onto sum more fun

[shell smelt]

was never heated my dude we good

[wet portal]

said truce cos i didnt wanna type out agree to disagree lol

ig i ended up typing it anyways

[halcyon thicket]

Envoy vs Drifter who wins

[shell smelt]

what's there to disagree about if they said they aren't canonically connected which is just true. Also not arguing I'm just trying to see what you're saying

[spare badge]

Stalemate.

[halcyon thicket]

Alright

Envoy vs 100 grineer manics

[long grove]

both can't die so it's just... attrition

[smoky crater]

envoy with infinite birb respawns

[sly escarp]

Manics

[spare badge]

Envoy.

[halcyon thicket]

Interesting

[sly escarp]

They're more heavily armoured than any of the Ode, and have a invis attack

[spare badge]

Envoy's ability to keep coming back to life would wear down the maniacs.

[wet portal]

tweet says otherwise. im still disagreeing w you bc my definition of connected verse doesnt include strict lore/story

[sly escarp]

Stunlock and kill on loop while only ever taking chip damage

[mystic sedge]

Enovy gets trapped in a stupid blue barrier forever. Pretty sure any degree of spacetech could just put em in a cage

[smoky crater]

the tweet is also from near 4 years ago when they first announced the game.

[wet portal]

the christmas armour will prolly come back next year right?

[shell smelt]

doesn't he say it's not in the same universe

[spare badge]

Orengall insta-kill.

[long grove]

tweet just says there will be Easter eggs and references, that's not an indication they're in the same universe

[wet portal]

game hasnt been officially released yet, canon is subject to change and anything said isnt more valid than something else that was said due to time of posting

[spare badge]

Maniacs aren't bosses, so would still be vulnerable to Feral. Just like mockeries.

[smoky crater]

they've on multiple occasions said it's not in the same universe. never have they said it is in the same universe

or even implied

[shell smelt]

fact

[halcyon thicket]

Banneret vs Sargus Ruk

[smoky crater]

damn i thought of tyl regor for some reason instead of sargas

[shell smelt]

Synod vs. My stepdad

[long grove]

medieval man vs space abomination

[smoky crater]

i mean sargas ruk's firepillars would probably oneshot the banneret

[spare badge]

They have said that yes, there will be easter egg stuff like the sword skin and glyph, but those are non-canon. It's stuff put in for giggles.

[long grove]

just cuz they both seem to be armored doesn't make that armor equal either. iron vs whateverthefrick

[halcyon thicket]

What about bannerets fire attack

[smoky crater]

bannerets kinda need to get riled up before they use those tho .-.

[halcyon thicket]

True

[long grove]

sargus just sits in that fire tho unbothered

[smoky crater]

sargas does just bathe in fire yeah

[long grove]

the tech difference is just to high

[spare badge]

Eh... Sometimes higher tech = less good.

[halcyon thicket]

Nimrod vs Keyla de Thaym

[long grove]

another reason why they can't be in the same universe... the weakest corpus is a huge threat

[smoky crater]

i mean Kela doesn't really have anything special to her... if she grapples away nimrod can just strike her with lightning

[sly escarp]

Grineer Lancer vs Ode Footsoldier. Grineer wins outright, yeah?

[halcyon thicket]

In her arena tho

[halcyon thicket]

Most likely just cause guns

[long grove]

just shields, and the armor might look similar but the construction can provide mad differences. let alone what they have in the armor. not to mention, give the factions a bit more credit. they still manage to survive and damage a frame at times, and that is a huge accomplishment tbh

[spare badge]

The ode likely have some tricks up their sleeves. They are an interstellar race. Apart from the Sentients, everyone in WF just moves around the Origin System.

[smoky crater]

what if sneak attack with a grenade?

[sly escarp]

Seeing as Lancers are basically at the level of Gen IV Halo Spartans, heavily cyber augmented and tough AF armour

Not Gen II or II, but IV was never as...ambitious

[smoky crater]

or would it be a tie at the very least if the sinecure decides to just blow himself up?

[halcyon thicket]

Do lancers have guns or the machete

[sly escarp]

Guns

[smoky crater]

guns

[sly escarp]

Butchers have knife

[smoky crater]

well... both

[halcyon thicket]

Ok that would be a more interesting fight

[smoky crater]

if you disarm them they take out the machete

[sly escarp]

Butvher might still win

[halcyon thicket]

Ah

[sly escarp]

The flesh is weak but the tech is good

[halcyon thicket]

A hyeka vs corrupted dog

[sly escarp]

Drahk or Hyekka?

[halcyon thicket]

Oh yeah drahk is the big one

Hyeka i think

[sly escarp]

Hard to say, Drahk is physically stronger but Hound has armour

Hyekka wins outright

They can turn invisible

[halcyon thicket]

Serious drip

[trim oriole]

true be told, Ode have ships so they prob have some crazy tech we aint seen yet

if they can travel space its not much less technologically advanced than grineer.

unless they just power tech with "magic", then its kinda meh

[sly escarp]

They do

Voltaic magick specifically

[heady drum]

Hey all, I just finished my first boss fight thing with the deer dude (It was last night and I forgot his name, lol) but it said that it added another ancestor but I didn't see any new people in my hub. Am I just missing something obvious? Sorry, I'm super new and this is my first time trying this game out after getting the founder pack.

[halcyon thicket]

Nope you're good, no new ancestors in ur nightfold

Just a new ancestor in general

[trim oriole]

takes a bit more than access to electricity to make ships though

[halcyon thicket]

They need to fix that notification

[heady drum]

Ahh, ok, I just misunderstood then thank you! Also, is it possible to get back to the main map without running back through the whole dungeon again?

[trim oriole]

relog

[smoky crater]

there's always an "exit door" to dungeons that the bird leads you to

[halcyon thicket]

You use teleporte shrines back to the entrance

[heady drum]

Ahh, that makes sense. Thanks all!

[smoky crater]

or do that if you want to pop out in the same spot where you got into the dungeon from ^

the actual exit doors will throw you out of a random exit in the world

but fairly nearby still from my experience

[sly escarp]

Voltaic seems a bit more than lightning, it also seems to have tractor effects and kinetic shockwaves

[long grove]

for sure. the after affects of random constellations is a bit much for it to simply be voltaic energy. it definitely seems there's some power to the ode deities.

of which i want more lore on

[sly escarp]

They worship stars...that might be it?

[heady drum]

I'm super excited to get into it though! I remember when it was first announced, me and one of my best friends were watching the announcements together and were super hyped about it.

[shell smelt]

The lore and world-building is what's carrying this game right now. Combat needs so much work to get to a place where people who aren't lore fiends would enjoy it long term.

[sly escarp]

It's getting some solid touchups with p13

[shell smelt]

needs so much more in terms of combos and ability interactions

[sly escarp]

Stagger improvements, animation optimization for locks and input lag, stuff like that

[shell smelt]

solid improvements but not system building

[long grove]

yeah, but we don't know if they just mean in the constellation sense. like mora is the star, but is also a deity.

[sly escarp]

Further changes may come soon, they said they want to be aggressive with systems and overhauls in the first 6 months of 2026. We might even see the Weapon Arts Manual soon!

Complete overhaul of the weapon perk trees would be a solid start imo, those have been static a long time

[heady drum]

I'm sure they'll be working on more in depth combat mechanics as they continue developing. It's still relatively early in development honestly, it's just easy to forget that because of how well put together some aspects of it are.

[sly escarp]

But yeah, input touchups is a nice start, we'll see what else comes

[shell smelt]

need some cool stuff, jump in the air greatsword and attack to do a flip into a ground smash, dodge with dual blades into a dash attack, twirl the polearm around for aoe sweep, I could go on forever

[sly escarp]

The dual blades does have a Spectre Strike, but the animation could use a touchup

[shell smelt]

needs more fluidity

[sly escarp]

But overall, the weapons are meant to feel solid and grounded, not quite so..acrobatic.

[shell smelt]

grounded as a concept can end up turning into generally boring if taken too seriously

[heady drum]

Yeah, I kept catching myself trying to bullet jump 🤣 I got spoiled by the warframe movement

[shell smelt]

DS/ER is grounded but there's lots do to

[sly escarp]

Perhaps, but the game IS meant to be slower and more tactical. A tighter combat system can be an interesting intellectual and planning challenge rather than the muscle memory acrobatics of Warframe, which they seem to wish to avoid.

[left tangle]

I'm not sure what they can do, but they for sure have an insane amount of work to do with weapons ahead of them. Right now all weapons of the same type being 90% identical feels really bad. Especially if they want to make me want to spend time farming new weapons.

[shell smelt]

Tacticality without optionality leads to sameness

[sly escarp]

They're working on adding more weapon uniqueness as well, Dewelion, Nurash, Cleavers, etc are all experiemnts in that vein

[left tangle]

If this is true then how come they don't have a stamina system? being able to spam perfect dodges removes any tactical feeling to the current gameplay

[shell smelt]

an interesting point, I wouldn't say you need stamina in order to feel tactical and purposeful in movements if the risks are present enough for punishment of poor execution

[left tangle]

from what I've played I wouldn't have guessed they were aiming for methodical and tactical gameplay...

[sly escarp]

To clarify: more methodical and tactical than Warframe

[left tangle]

I see, thanks

[shell smelt]

LOL so almost anything

[sly escarp]

This was made in part because some of the old Warframe crew realized Warframe had become not the game they originally wanted, and this is them trying to circle back to it

[shell smelt]

I can understand that, surprised there's no Katana

[left tangle]

oooof thats rough to hear lol. The game they first tried to make with waframe was not fun.

[sly escarp]

They're not trying to remake it exactly, obviously, but the pillars for Soulframe are meant to be more considered and slower.

[left tangle]

well that is definitely not what they have so far. it is far too easy to perfect dodge and just hit a few pact abilities and most things die.

[smoky crater]

with the past few updates the balance has been kinda everywhere

but also they're not making a game with soulslike difficulty either

[sly escarp]

Didn't Steve once call it "Casual Elden Ring" or smth on a stream?

[left tangle]

yeah that's fine, just when I hear methodical and thoughtful I don't really think of a game where I can spam dodge without any penalties.

[sly escarp]

Def not meant to be challenging, just slower and more methodical

Honestly, suspect dodge might have been left as is to help mitigate the Stagger issues, maybe

So if the changes fix that they might have a good reason to circle back to dodge for overhauling

Regardless, a good bit of feedback to put in #1438224662344761345 !

[left tangle]

have they said anything about how close the current bosses are to what they want encounters to be like? are they placeholder? same with the map, is this just something made quickly for us to iterate and test stuff in?

[sly escarp]

This has been described as the "tutorial island"

[smoky crater]

none of it is really placeholder. W.I.P. yes, not placeholder

[sly escarp]

Mendicant King was the first Agari they added, and imo the best one, so I kind hope that is the target for the Agari overall

With regards to complexity and mechanics

[smoky crater]

the island is definitely not a placeholder tho

[left tangle]

I hope they at least redo the villages and locations... they feel very hastily copy pasted.

[smoky crater]

thing is

[west meadow]

They kinda are?

[sly escarp]

They already have been a bit. Kearness used to be a few huts, now it's more of an Ode occupied camp

[smoky crater]

we had like a 5th of the map. the midwestern area available to us for the duration of... 9 preludes (including P0).
P9 opened up the entire map as a very W.I.P. area because the people making the map were getting too focused on the "enclosed" area we had back then

[sly escarp]

Still plenty to do there, but they're taking steps

[left tangle]

it's kinda scary though... cause if they want this to be anything in the same realm as elder ring.... then this map ain't it.

[west meadow]

Also

[smoky crater]

we're getting other islands too

[west meadow]

Dumb question, whats with the mini island?

And the floating castle

[sly escarp]

It's just kinda there for now

[smoky crater]

floating castle is the Ode'n skycastle where we were thrown out of

[west meadow]

Scam

Not even clever either

Scammers getting dumber

[left tangle]

yeah but you want your player's first impression of your game to be a good one. even if it's just a tutorial place.

[arctic cedar]

They need to be more challenging tho cause ATM once u get a good rune you fant even experience the fight, it's just dead in 5 seconds

[smoky crater]

i wouldn't take the "elden ring like" too seriously aswell 👀

[arctic cedar]

Maybe not as challenging as the bear solo tho 👀

[long grove]

no need to talk about first impressions yet. this island has grown so much in the last two years.

wait until 1.0 to figure out whether the first impression is good

[left tangle]

well they have to make SOMETHING more engaging. Either the map and exploration or the moment to moment gameplay.

[hardy wolf]

yea this is a super casual, super easy grind em up slash em up, wouldnt expect anything more and youll be happy 🙂

[smoky crater]

like i said we've had the whole map available to us for only 4 preludes, the plan is to make it very dense.

[left tangle]

how long has 4 preludes been? kinda hard since idk how often they come out.

[smoky crater]

before P9 there was literally nothing outside of the area we had available to us except for Castle Kearnhold, a very W.I.P. Fort Kearnhold a bit later on, and Mirifuir as it is now. with a few huts here and there. no trees. no nothing

P9 was last... march i think

late march

[long grove]

this was two years ago

we could only play in the dark area then

[hardy wolf]

yup

[halcyon thicket]

march ye

[sly escarp]

...Fort Curlail?

Oh, OUTSIDE the zone

[smoky crater]

the area was slightly expanded with P1.3 iirc to include the small village north of Salzbrim

[smoky crater]

ya

[left tangle]

I kinda feel like it might have been a better idea to work towards a small area closer to their goals than a large area with lots of empty space.

[smoky crater]

the people making the map complained the opposite

[left tangle]

if they are really still iterating, it would make sense to iterate a small space then a large nothingness.

[sly escarp]

They also just changed the entire NE coast to a big swap with p12, which was interesting.

[long grove]

truly, imagine them shoving everything we can do now in that tiny area

[sly escarp]

Small changes each Prelude has been the pattern

[hardy wolf]

need some space for you glorious wolf/bear mount ;o

[smoky crater]

basically the entire map with the midwest area being a slightly less W.I.P. is veeeery W.I.P.

[arctic cedar]

I must have really low standard cause map is quite good for me already, sure it is empty at times but it's quite big and fun

Except the walls ofc

Those are purely for phycological testing

[sly escarp]

Agari and Sieges were relatively recent additions in the grand scheme, more will come in time. Early days.

[tough mountain]

I wish there were more civilians around the map but maybe that’s in the future. Would make everything feel more alive to me

[sly escarp]

Hopefully, it's definitely feeling a bit quiet NPC wise!

[hardy wolf]

if they up the challenge it'll feel better over all, but right now nothing is challenging and you just run about booming everything, I did 3 accounts to 17 I could run around mindlessly pressing left click for another 500 so hours heh

[arctic cedar]

As long as they are not yelling ring the bells!!!!!

[sly escarp]

That eing said, Midrath is under Ode occupation, and the existing NPCs are brainwashed, so...they'd have to get pretty creative in a good way!

[left tangle]

it doesn't even have to be more challenging. Just a more complex system that has space for player expression. The current combat system has almost none.

[sly escarp]

Would call that combat systems. There's a number of overlapping things there, with some things not having enough choices due to being a Minimum Viable version for testing.

[arctic cedar]

If we might be able to be good/evil I can't wait to be evil and kick their ass

[sly escarp]

Joineries are one of the worse offenders in that regard atm

[hardy wolf]

Yea I agree, weapons for example could really be something unique but I think they are cooking stuff, this year will really tell us all we need to know

[smoky crater]

pretty sure Steve said in a devshort recently in response to Meg asking if you could be a bad envoy, that yes you could.

still not 100% sure on how non-joke it was but ye

he said it with a pretty serious face anyway

[arctic cedar]

Yeah that's what o was referring to, I want to be a bad envoy and smack that one who says Gruul!!! Sinicure!!!

I bet they are teasing with them

[sly escarp]

Anyways, yeah, it feels undercooked and lacking in choice in some ways rn, because a lot of it is WIP or minimal content systems they want to prove out.

It's is, after all, a pre alpha. Systems are not yet set in stone, content is in most places the minimum viable to test an idea.

[left tangle]

I think there is a lot of cool stuff that they can do with the interaction of weapons and pacts. but because it is destined to be a live service game I feel like they have to limit how things alter each other.

[arctic cedar]

Have you ever played black and white? Where you could take a willager into your hand and throw it to the ocean or 10 meters away 😇

[smoky crater]

willager? what is that like a old fashioned villager?

[sly escarp]

It's an Illager with a green lantern ring /j

[arctic cedar]

It's me being tired and not typing well

[smoky crater]

shook

[frail sierra]

All willagers must be thrown into the woashin!

[dapper rain]

https://tenor.com/view/little-nicky-magic-bunnies-adam-sandler-power-rainbow-gif-4423120887544765296

[arctic cedar]

This game was amazing 😭

[dapper rain]

I had my tiger break dancing and casting rainbows

[arctic cedar]

It was ahead of it's time tbh I am shocked there isn't a remake or a new one

[dapper rain]

that way could toss a few villagers and not suffer the negatives

[sly escarp]

Hmm...wonder if that means only to Ode or if you can beome a Mendicant too

[arctic cedar]

I remember there were some quests/puzzles where you had to throw them lol

[dapper rain]

seems like that's where the good/bad games like fable started or allowed starwars to lean into the dark/light side of force

[sly escarp]

You mean like Jedi Academy?

Gods, that game had great ludonarrative cohesion

[dapper rain]

think I had demo on CD

[arctic cedar]

I think fable is from the same studio, I'm curious about the new one

[verbal edge]

for bossing,what are the pacts except for tethren?

[dapper rain]

do u have them all? what weapon u tend to use?

[sly escarp]

For boss killing? Any will work.

Sirin might be the weakest but it can do it.

[verbal edge]

i like greatswod

[sly escarp]

For Cogah, would advise agains Sirin, Ode Tempest, and Mora's Hand. Anything else is usable.

[verbal edge]

greatsword*

[arctic cedar]

Get an agari sword rune or bow rune and you can kill everything with any pact

[verbal edge]

mora hand its great? i like him

[sly escarp]

Mora's Hand is fine, just a bit too focused on add clearing.

Unless you want to just tackle to boss with your weapon mostly, it's not ideal for Cogah bosses

[verbal edge]

i use tethren all this time, now i need to fun haha

[sly escarp]

Would personally say if you just want to vibe and enjoy Cogah boss hunting: Oscelda

[dapper rain]

greatsword with treefell fun.. greatsword has thrown off so can cheese bosses needed. I tend to bromius and flyblades with full 1st passive..can facetank alot. comfy 90+

[arctic cedar]

moras hand and ode tempest are fun but not for bosses

[winged light]

same i need a fun build, any recommendations

[keen river]

ode tempest has oddly become more of a multiplayer support pact for me

[dapper rain]

Oscelda I got 4k headshot and bow/rune underleveled. bestone great if careful with birds

[sly escarp]

Short Blade sidearm Flitsmoke and Purity. Combo finishers with your greatsword. Makes you feel like a king to bash them into a kneeling position then run them through

[arctic cedar]

I am playing Ode Tempest with bow and dagger pretending I'm an assassin

[sly escarp]

Flitsmoke duration extends on finishers with ANY weapon, not just the shortblade it's on

So you can become an invisible king of death and power

[winged light]

seems cool, imma try that one

which pact

[sly escarp]

Any works, but Garren can be good for the bonus rune duration on heal

[winged light]

how do i actually get the other pacts

i wanna try everything tbh

[arctic cedar]

Fractions

You need to level up to 3 and then to 5

[sly escarp]

Factions and some Fables

[wind hearth]

can you still farm nurash?

[smoky crater]

mhm

[wind hearth]

where do you get it?

[smoky crater]

mockeries

[abstract badge]

What is the point of joineries and those animal totem things?

[smoky crater]

the totems you can apply to your weapons in the armoury in the nightfold by rightclicking the weapon

joineries are weapon upgrades you can put on weapons via reforging (requires you to have the blacksmith ancestor at bond level 2)

[robust harness]

is there any way to level up rep beyond walking for 30 minutes to the hub

[verbal edge]

i have one more question, how can i up verminia to get cogah mode?

just make elixirs?

[halcyon marsh]

only get exp for first craft, need to unlock another

[smoky crater]

nope.
after completing The Waste Bear fable tho you unlock limited fast travel to world trees and enclave entrances

[verbal edge]

how?

[tidal nymph]

someone have a key to give to a friend??

[halcyon marsh]

Should have one from your faction

[verbal edge]

oh ty

[smoky crater]

been told to not ask for keys here.
you can get one from the stream on the 10th tho as a twitch drop

[robust harness]

i did read about that. havent found any of the seed item yet though

[smoky crater]

you get the seeds from ||the sapling next to Verminia in nightfold||

[halcyon marsh]

Can get a share from people at a location as well

[robust harness]

ah! tyam

[smoky crater]

you get 1-3 per pick up and they got a 12h pickup cooldown

[robust harness]

good enough
been having enough fun walking around everywhere, but it sucks passing rep quests when my reps full

[halcyon marsh]

Honestly though if you need to go somewhere, there’s likely 2-3 bosses and tons of materials or totems on the way that you’ll have to farm anyway

[dawn arrow]

Today was not a good day for vella, once went inside Thrice was spawned instead of vella, then 4 times in a row when i enter a relic quest pops up which doesnt make vella spawn, i give up 😭

[austere lark]

So are Wyld and normal pacts meant to share upgrades?

[trim oriole]

yes

wyld is basically just bonus points

[velvet veldt]

I need Wyld Orengall and Ode

[edgy vortex]

orengall becomes gold

[dawn arrow]

I tried Orengall for the first time Today, the summon wolf feels clunky? I was testing, I summon it, it is doing 0 damage and enemies just ignore it? I wasnt even attacking just observing. Or is there more to it?

[trim oriole]

they messed it up a bit recently

ai has gotten worse and it dies easy

use to attack much more and couldnt die

[edgy vortex]

the abiliy is borked idk what they did

it used to be better

it also doesnt scale properly iirc

[long grove]

not a recent thing really, it just doesn't scale on anything. the crashes about it in endless and/or cogah wasn't always the case

[velvet veldt]

I have not played in a few days and not played Orengall in a week or two. When I played it they were fine

[craggy wraith]

yo, ive seen you very often here

[long grove]

[trim oriole]

Orengal scales best on courage even though its a spirit pact, just dump courage and wolfs will kill everything

when they actually decide to attack

[long grove]

well, the 2 doesn't scale on anything is the part i'm talking about

[velvet veldt]

I had them on spirit and they were killing everything even in Cogah. But like I said, been a bit.

[trim oriole]

it scales on courage

[long grove]

noooo..

[trim oriole]

wolf damage is based on courage and the 3 doubles your courage

[long grove]

i don't mean the damage benefit from howl affecting the dogs damage

the wolfs base damage never scales on anything

[velvet veldt]

It will now according to the last dev stream about updates. Should scale on what...spirit, right?

well, it will up pre 13 I mean

[trim oriole]

it use to

[long grove]

packhunter? yeah

[trim oriole]

unless the changed that aswell when they nerfed it

[arctic cedar]

Packhunter also is still crashing game in coop, so don't use it in arena

[dawn arrow]

I see people mention arena, what is arena?

[smoky crater]

it's a specific tile in the glades of andurin dungeon that spawns 20 waves of mockeries

[dawn arrow]

ah another name for endless

[verbal edge]

guys where can i get neathcaps?

[smoky crater]

in the neath'uns pretty sure

[brittle nacelle]

good to see I'm not the only one that missed the connection

[verbal edge]

i dont see none here :/

[lunar mica]

any place to get brass scraps efficiently? I got tons of iron and steel but brass is always a problem

[brittle nacelle]

look for the orange bolbs that you can break on the ground

[craggy wraith]

for me iron is the one im missing the most

[dawn arrow]

I like to buy them from Avocado

[smoky crater]

think the weapon racks around Curlail/Fort Curlail should drop some

or just by from avakot if you find him and he has some

[craggy wraith]

138 brass
38 iron
272 steel
._.

[lunar mica]

try the event feeders and tier 3 faction tales

the bird feeders I mean

[verbal edge]

oh man ty alot

[dawn arrow]

Just in case if someone doesnt know, a version of him has a fixed location, i always pass by the first thing when i log in. Got some pearls from him as well.

[brittle nacelle]

with pleasure, had someone show it to me while we were doing cogah

[smoky crater]

3 locations even

[dawn arrow]

and I always play 1 round of that mini game with him before saying goodbye 😇

[long grove]

that's the trap that keeps getting text chat hidden

[craggy wraith]

:P

[smoky crater]

:P

[trim oriole]

bois dont get me started

[smoky crater]

i lost like 300 too when they were fixing a dupe bug and set certain resources to a specific number for everyone who was above the number

[smoky crater]

mmmmm?

[wraith badge]

I still feel like Greatswords are really clunky, but I think I'm getting the hang of their clunkiness.
Should still be improved but I think I managed to reach a proper flow-state with it.

TL;DR, don't bother blocking with the thing, the inputs don't work well with Greatswords, focus on dodging or side-stepping and attacking during the openings you create.

[craggy wraith]

openings? i jsut tank oll the hits i get and kill them before i drop to 0 hp x)

[wraith badge]

Normally I get staggered really easy, not sure why I didn't here.

[wraith badge]

Ugh why haven't they fixed the merchant in quests.
They made a mandatory NPC as part of a quest that is completely invisible, blends into the enviroment and not even Soul-sight reveals him

bit tilted because I've spent 10+ minutes combing the same area looking for an NPC that seemingly doesn't exist and now I have to forfeit the bounty

[velvet veldt]

I agree. Make him glow gold or something. Anything to be very very visible

[velvet veldt]

I block and parry just fine with a greatsword.

[wraith badge]

I wonder if it's just Needleeye then, because now that I'm not using it, greatsword does feel better.

[velvet veldt]

I have no idea. What I will say is that parrying in groups, especially without totems to do it, is problematic because of stability or whatever. It pauses you and takes away seconds you don't have which then put you on the ground

[hollow wyvern]

How do I reveal more of the map? Is it a bug or am I just doing something wrong?

[smoky crater]

Gotta find world trees and interact with them

[hollow wyvern]

I had a hunch but hadn't seen any others - thanks!

[frigid spoke]

Some might say you could "search" the internets for world trees n get a map or something. If you so felt like.

[hollow wyvern]

Nah that would take the fun out of it 😄

I did find another soon after!

Just wanted to make sure I didn't break something lol

[dreamy thistle]

Hey!
I’ve been following the game for a while and finally decided that I want to properly dive into it. I’m a big fan of games with this vibe, and games where the world feels alive through other players. Not necessarily need to feel "crowded", but just knowing that real people exist out there makes a huge difference for me.

Since I don’t have access yet, I had a few questions about the social side of the game.
How does it work in practice, like do players share the same world, or is most of it instanced, especially in hostile areas?

And while I’m here, I figured I’d also ask: is anyone else around here currently on the fence about getting access, or maybe just got in and is about to give it a proper go? Would be awesome to get to know a few people in a similar situation and maybe learn the ropes or just do some sessions together.

[sly escarp]

World is instanced, not shared. Multiplayer allows for playing in a single instance together, party size caps at 3. Best time to get access is the 10th, there's a Stream that will drop access as a twitch drop; make sure to link your accounts ahead of time!

[dreamy thistle]

Thanks for the response!

Ah I see! So there would be no way for me to find other players to share the experience with by just playing the game or using in-game mechanics? That's fine though.

And yeah but since I'm more of an unc (or 30+ at least lol), I'd rather just purchase an alpha pack since I can't stand waiting or doing chores to get access to a game I find interesting lol! 😄

About the alpha packs - they seem tailored towards specific classes or something? I find that a bit confusing to select class when purchasing the game.. heh! I understand it's just some cosmetics, but still I'm getting some crazy choice anxiety 🤣

[sly escarp]

Each of the 3 small Founders Packs gives access to a Wyld Pact, armour set, 2 weapons, a flower, a bird, and a colour pallet you can use to decorate your armour. A Wyld Pact is like an upgraded version of the Pacts that exist in game, in this case each is a version of one of the starter pacts in the game.

Weapons, pacts, and armour are not cosmetics, but functional in game items. However, they will come to the game to be earned for free by all players at a later date.

[dreamy thistle]

Ok so I take this as a confirmation on the fact that if I select let's say the blue range-themed pack, I get 2 weapons that suits that "class" (sorry for my lack for better wording), as well as an upgraded armour for that "class". That kind of confirmed my fear that I need to do research and try and get a feel from watching youtube I guess, since it would suck to commit to one, then use the "basic" armour for another class if I realize half-way through that my selected pack just wasn't for me. Anyways, thanks. I wish there was a more general option so I could try out the packs before making my decision.

[sly escarp]

Not really. You get a Pact, which is not exactly a class but only really defines your Abilities, armour themed to that Pact, and 2 Weapons that are kind of related to that Pact.

No weapons or armour are locked to any pact/class, and once you unlock a pact, weapon, or armour piece you can swap to it any time easily.

[languid escarp]

don't pick sirin and you'll be good imo :)

[sly escarp]

You'll be able to try out each starter Pact at the start of the game once you start in, so even if you don't like the playstyle of your Founders Pack you can try and guarantee a playstyle you prefer

[dreamy thistle]

Well.. that's still very weird to me that I need to make that choice before I start the game, even if the game still allows me to use any armor/weapon on any pact. Or do you not see what I see?

Maybe I'm being unclear 🤣

[languid escarp]

you are stuck with whatever you start with for a fair while but but can unlock the others after a bit

but yeah as a way to buy the game i get it

[dreamy thistle]

Oh.. so there's no unique reward from getting this pack? Everything I get here can be gained from just playing the alpha? Then it doesn't really matter!!

[languid escarp]

i would say just pick tethren, it's the strongest pact in the game, has healing and dmg, it's just the best atm

the wyld pacts have not been released as of yet but they will be later, armour and weapons are not in game either

none of it is any better than you can get in game though

main advantage is you get more "ability points" to invest in your pact if u have the wild version, so 60 instead of 30

[dreamy thistle]

wild version?

You're not really making this easier for me lol! XD

[languid escarp]

just pick tethren :)

[sly escarp]

Basically: nothing in the pack is exclusive, and will be able to be earned for free in game at a later date

[languid escarp]

don't piock sirin though lol

[sly escarp]

You're paying to skip the grind and get it before anyone who doesn't buy a pack does

The game will also be free on release, the packs are mostly there to support and fund the game's development.

[languid escarp]

well more just paying for access right?

[dreamy thistle]

alright!

Just out of curiosity, whats wrong with the sirin?

[frigid agate]

If they have no plans on changing Fellust in P13 Tethren will still be the best at deleting bosses.

[dreamy thistle]

I was eyeing sirin this whole time... lol!!

[kind dune]

I would love a regular plain longsword thats 3 tier

[ornate folio]

@dreamy thistle Are you asking these questions because you're considering buying a founders pack? Or have you got a code and you're picking a class?

[languid escarp]

it's only real purpose is getting extra loot, abilities suck, if i started with it i woulda not had a good time ymmv

[sly escarp]

Sirin is fine, it's a stealth based pact with some good crowd control. Tethren's just broken strong atm and Oscelda is solid for a easy start because it has access to good self healing

[covert basin]

Do you guys think grace build like sirin will have its time to shine next update?

[kind dune]

@dreamy thistle Sirins pact is meh but the bow allows you to cheese mostly everything

[dreamy thistle]

Yeah I'm considering getting a founders pack, and don't want to select the wrong pack! If I just had the game I wouldn't be bothering you guys, but play the actual game instead 😄

[frigid spoke]

just buy the paragon pack n get em all.

[sly escarp]

No pack is the wrong pack, tbh. Would just suggest picking a different Starting pact than the one in the pack you bought

Give yourself options early on

[ornate folio]

DM me, since you didnt beg for a code, ill give you one. Will give you a run at it incase you dont like your first choice, you can always buy the pack ontop of it later if you change your mind.

[covert basin]

So far im enjoying wyld sirin but it took me a day to get the feels of its mechanic.

[sly escarp]

Or yeah, you could buy the Paragon Pack, which is all 3 of the packs plus a cool sword

[dreamy thistle]

Oh I just saw that... feels tempting, but 99 dollars damn 😄

[languid escarp]

the wyld packs don't actually work unless you have the base pack levelled up, you get no points for levelling them

[dreamy thistle]

yeah I'm starting to understand, thanks guys ❤️

[sly escarp]

Yeah, if you just want access it's not worth

But it does seem a kind envoy has offered you the ability to play the game for free, if you prefer? @dreamy thistle

#gameplay-discussion message

[dreamy thistle]

The thing is - if I like the game I'll probably get a pack ragardless in the future, because why not! But I'll send him a message!

[languid escarp]

yeah it's worth it to support the game and you get plenty premium currency for loadout slots which you will need but only if u like the game:)

[sly escarp]

100% a good idea for sure! But sometimes it's nice to be paying because you honestly believe in it, rather than to try it. Hopefully it works for you and you have a blast!

[modern lotus]

I also have plans on getting the founders pack. Just take my money

[dreamy thistle]

Yeah this amazing man/woman just gave me a code. Wow!! I'm so excited rn

[languid escarp]

that's what i thought lol

[sly escarp]

Enjoy!

It's why this community is so great imo

[languid escarp]

warframe most expensive game i ever played, may as well get started on this one haha

[dreamy thistle]

@ornate folio ❤️ thank you so much

[ornate folio]

You are most welcome.

The more people in the game the better.

[dreamy thistle]

But your recommendation still stands to start out as a tethren? 😇

[sly escarp]

It's got a broken strong ability

And is considered the best pact in the game for that reason.

[languid escarp]

mine, yeah 100% but oscelda is good too

[frigid spoke]

Until next week when everything changes

[sly escarp]

Likely to get nerfed at some point, but for now it's a solid pick.

[ornate folio]

I switch between Oscelda and Tethren depending on what Im doing, don't discount Oscelda, it can be quite good.

Nothing like turning enemies to stone forever and just shooting them in the head with arrows, and being unkillable with an OP heal.

[sly escarp]

You'll get a chance to try each before you pick one, so you'll be able to make a solid informed decision.

There's a little bit of the tutorial where you get to try out the weapons and pacts, see what you like.

[ornate folio]

Now that I gave away a friend code, suuuurely I get Endless on my first Glades right? Thats how Karma works?

[sly escarp]

Surely must be!

[dreamy thistle]

I have no idea what this means, yet - but yes, most certainly yes 🤣

[sly escarp]

There an arena that's commonly used for power levelling, spawns rarely in a dungeon called the Glades

[frigid agate]

IMO Tethren is the best pact to learn the game with it has Damage Boost/Damage Reduction and maxing it especially with it’s Wyld version will give you a lot of HP which directly translates to allowing for more mistakes without dying.

[sly escarp]

Eh, imo Oscelda gives more room for mistakes early, but then, personally started with Sirin and never regretted it once.

[dreamy thistle]

I'll keep that in mind! I know this game isn't a soulslike or anything like that, but as a souls vet I was always leaning more towards glass-canon feeling builds with a high risk/reward gameplay! But I'll try them all out and report back what I selected!

Are there any penalties for dying though?

[frigid agate]

True having CC and self heal are great early but having a big health pool allows for learning parrying without dying a lot especially against bosses. This is mostly just relevant if you play melee though.

[languid escarp]

health on kill too

[dreamy thistle]

but yeah going for a huge health pool does sound convenient, especially now when I heard there's a parry-mechanic

[ornate folio]

Theres no penalty for dying except for in Cogah (hard mode), it boots you back to normal.

[dreamy thistle]

Ah I see, and I guess you spend resources on getting to Cogah?

[ornate folio]

This is correct.

[sly escarp]

Technically the penalty is taking 10 seconds to fly back to your body as well in normal

And the Crypts will also kick you if you die in them

But overall, not really

It's a very casual vibe

[frigid agate]

Check out one of their latest shorts showcasing combat for the next update it demonstrates how parrying allows you to melt a group of enemies.

[final rock]

wonder if penelties will get higher in the future or not

[frigid agate]

A mild penalty would be loosing some Dracs.

[dreamy thistle]

I'm finally on!! And what an intro it was.. wow

[sly escarp]

Yup

[ornate folio]

Each side of your monitor has its own post code mate.

Bloody hell

[dreamy thistle]

32:9 for the win 😄

I can never go back

[ornate folio]

Im looking side to side on my ultrawide as it is.

[frigid agate]

Big W, You’l better see the grenades thrown at you before they ruin your day 😆

[dreamy thistle]

I'm pretty sure it doesn't make me a better player, but yeah I have no excuses 🙁 haha

Any opinions on using a controller vs kb+m?

Like does both work well, or does it feel better on way or the other?

ok nvm - I just tried and controller it is, for sure!!

[frigid spoke]

it's designed for mnk, but controller works. Have fun aiming w/bow

[final rock]

I'm a kbm fan for games usually

[ornate folio]

Is there higher chance of Rare animals in Cogah or is it the same as normal? Wiki doesnt say

Like Spirited etc.

[dreamy thistle]

Skill issue.. 😉

Jokes aside, it actually felt amazing using the bow with a controller too.. i got thousands of hours using controller, but yeah I'm usually playing shooters with kb+m, so I take every chance I get to be able to just lean back and use a controller. It just feels right in this type of games.

Magic kind of feels "homing" too?

[verbal edge]

Guys, in cogah, to respawn boss have to leave?

[neat night]

There are some locations with ??? (already unlocked the name), this means these locations doesn't have mote to collect ?

[wraith badge]

No, they respawn on 30 minute timers I believe.

[wraith badge]

I'm not entirely sure how they work myself, but I think you are limited to 1 or 2 motes per day per location

[neat night]

(the king still 3 hours though)

[frigid spoke]

30 min respawn but you can't stay at boss spawn or they won't. Do a circuit then come back after 30 mins

[neat night]

hmmm, because

[verbal edge]

Oh

[frigid spoke]

King is 30 mins also, but bugged for some

[verbal edge]

I'm gonna make all threefell boss

[neat night]

I mean, I can't find any motes at all, at the locations, it still has 3 ??? But the name already unlocked, I don't remember if I unlocked motes for it before or not >"<

[frigid spoke]

log off n come back, it'll spawn

[neat night]

tried :<

[frigid spoke]

oh you mean the lore?

[neat night]

multiple times

yeah yeah

[frigid spoke]

Not everything is in game yet

plenty of ???s still

[neat night]

ohhhhh, so that's why, I thought I missed something

[frigid spoke]

No

[neat night]

the vel something something boss in the dungeon also drop treefell, and has 30 mins respawn time

[frigid spoke]

If the name is complete. you have it all, judst not the actual lore as it's not written? or in game yet

[neat night]

oh so I got every locations then

[neat night]

Vella

[lucid ice]

How do I use this? Is it working just because it's in my inventory?

[sly escarp]

Gotta reforge a weapon with it to apply

[lucid ice]

In that case, I would have 2 duplicate weapons, correct?

[frigid spoke]

no, you change the stats of that one

[lucid ice]

Can you teach me how to do that?

I think I'll have to level up Tuvalcaim, right?

[left wigeon]

Helped one of my old destiny friends do the torment stag

Pretty epic

[lucid ice]

that is good?

[edgy vortex]

To be honest the way these work are entirely being changed next week so if you haven’t done this yet id advise waiting till preludes 13

[exotic tide]

what does the Alca's Breath rune do? I don't know what 100% Arcanic means

[edgy vortex]

From what I understand (I do not own the rune yet) its basically mags magnetize for bow arrows

Im reading off the wiki so that might literally just be completely wrong

[exotic tide]

I've not noticed that doing anything
I saw that's what it's supposed to do, but I haven't noticed any sort of magnetic effect

[edgy vortex]

Thats interesting perhaps it doesnt work

I will check again

@exotic tide it seems to be a chance that the magnetize procs at all

[exotic tide]

lmao classic DE

5 seconds for a small chance that an insanely powerful projectile will magnetize other insanely powerful projectiles to the target that's already dead

[edgy vortex]

They should put that on the rune

[edgy vortex]

If it works on bosses that could be interesting but it seems pretty weak

Not damage wise but its effect doesn’t seem worth trying to use

[exotic tide]

I mean yeah, but if you're using a bow on a boss, you're using Tethrin, and that boss is dead in one shot anyways

[lucid ice]

I haven't done it yet, so I'll wait, thank you.

[edgy vortex]

I mean you could say that about any weapon, no?

Fell lust > hitting the enemy is a true combo regardless of the weapon

[exotic tide]

bows in particular
they seem to be really only good on Tethren

[chilly locust]

Everything's good on tethran

[latent prism]

If there a way to get juniper back? I know you can’t have multiple, but I accidentally deconstructed it maybe a year and a half ago and would like to have it back. Can I get the fragments again?

[raven basin]

anyone know who's behind that door in fort kearnhold, near the balloon? 🙀

[spare badge]

You might look at Zenith and see if it can be bought?

[spare badge]

Either Koolaid Man, or Jason Voorhees. Or the castillaion that's afraid of fire.

[exotic tide]

I'm trying to get more standing with The Silent Rose, but for some reason none of the Sparrow Tales I do are giving me standing

I know that there was (or still is) a bug where ranking up stops you from gaining any more standing until you log out and back in again, but I've been stuck like this for days now, and I can't get any more built up

[spare badge]

Do you need to rank up with your faction? If you hit the cap for a rank, you won't gain more standing until after you rank up.

[exotic tide]

Nope, I'm 5k away from ranking up, and I've been 5k away for the last week

[spare badge]

In that case, you might need to contact support. Seems like its some kind of bug that the typical methods woudnt' solve.

[exotic tide]

dang, that really sucks

[spare badge]

Pre-alpha growing pains.

[exotic tide]

I was wondering why it felt so sluggish and slow
It was only just now when I checked exactly how much standing I had, and then did a few Sparrow Tales before comparing and finding I gained absolutely 0 standing lmao

I can imagine this bug has something to do with me having account progression from when factions were first added

so me getting standing that went towards nothing may have screwed stuff up
kinda like how I'm stuck with 4 million useless Joinery from Preludes 9 that don't do anything now

[spare badge]

Eh... Many of us were here for that, and we're doing ok.

Good luck with getting it sorted out. I need to get some rest.

[misty hatch]

when doing say a boss fight and you complete it do i need to do the whole qeust line again?

[vagrant kayak]

To do the boss again you mean? If you want to refight that specific boss in that specific arena then yes, however most bosses will appear in the world after completing their quests

The Vadagar Stag can spawn at night randomly or be the final stage of a T3 Tale, Nimrod is the final part of the Collector event and can also be found on the map as Discharged Nimrod. And the Wazzard can be found as Wraith of Wastes

The Waste Bear boss is a one time fight for now, but will be added as a Vadagar version in the next update

[misty hatch]

so the stag can randomly spawn to get more fragments?

@vagrant kayak

[vagrant kayak]

Yep

[misty hatch]

is it a icon i will see or just luck?

[vagrant kayak]

If it's part of a T3 Tale you'll see an icon as the final step, for the version that spawns randomly there's no icon but you'll see a pool of ichor on the ground at night, a sound cue and vibrations if you're using a controller and get nearby

There are also online maps with the possible spawn points

[red lake]

You’ll hear it too

[iron temple]

I'm curious what the Vadagar Bear loot drop table is going to be like...

Probably some of the Bromius stuff I would think...

plus general boss stuff.

[vagrant kayak]

If I had to guess I'd assume his armor and weapon will be moved off Kabocha and to the Vadagar Bear yeah

We might also see the Bromius shield they showed the WIP of a few times

[iron temple]

It was hilarous to see the Vadagar Bear do the Bromius Stomp in the Devstream! 🤣

After this next batch of new weapons that will pretty much leave Sword and Shield as the main underserved weapon type... 😅

I'm hoping that the next Sword and Shield is a tier 3! 🥰🙏

I find it awkward that shields not being helpful enough vs boss attacks and that the damage is so low, that they are overly to low in practical usefullness. I unfortunetly have been giving in to the even when point blank throw Gathannan cheese because of how stagger and dr works both ways currently... 😅

I'm looking forward to how much the better initial and switching timing (animation delays etc) works in Preludes 13. It won't fix enough but it will be a much cherished improvement! 😄

[jade nexus]

How da hell do I get to the tree on the little island all the way in the top left

[smoky crater]

You dont

Not meant to be able to get there yet

[jade nexus]

Ohh I see

So the map i saw on twitter from ages ago is baiting me

[vagrant kayak]

You CAN get there through glitches so those maps are real, but there's no reason to do so

[slender sequoia]

Can anyone recommend a good build that preferably can do everything solo? I'm brand new and want something to work to but with it being prelude still there isn't a huge amount of content that hasn't already been outdated from what I can see

[vagrant kayak]

Bit hard to do as the game's fundamentals are changing next week but right now you shouldn't have too much trouble playing Solo by just investing in the Virtue your weapons scale with.

[finite stone]

Everything can solo all content, especially if you:

• max rank it
• attune it to its attune cap
• use good enchantments
• use a polished/blessed joinery

But if you want the easiest playstyle, you can pick Oscelda as your starting pact, it has excellent CC and self-heal

[slender sequoia]

Understandable thanks both, tbf I should probably wait to see what happens next week I guess. Currently playing garren rood using oryn-umbr cause it seemed cool but will see what changes next week

[finite stone]

Garren is also an excellent pact for doing everything solo! Especially if you use the synergy of 2+1 to get full heals from enemies

He's my current main but I'm looking forward to the fencer pact hopefully first half of this year

[slender sequoia]

What do you mean 2+1? Sorry I've literally played for like 1 hour

[finite stone]

Using 2, then using 1

His torment ability is far more effective against enemies that are already CCed with Behest

https://wiki.avakot.org/Garren_Rood wiki page there in case you need it for other tips - though all the pact stuff will be reworked as we learn what the new update brings next week!

[slender sequoia]

Ah I see makes sense now sorry I use controller cause I'm lazy. Thanks for the help I will try that

[verbal galleon]

Hi everyone, sorry I am new, is there any lock on mechanics or ? I chose the caster class sometimes seems hard to aim. Thank you

[smoky crater]

Auto lock on yes

You can kinda manipulate it it, tapping block will switch the lock on target to the enemy that you're aiming at

Getting some big improvements with the update next week tho

[verbal galleon]

Thanks for your answer I am confused rn, hope i will get used to it, have a good day

[dawn arrow]

I never released totems before, now i started and trying to keep 2 per totem. You know how long its taking me to go through the process 1 at a time 😂
This would benefit from QoL

Over 100k of dust, worth it!

[smoky crater]

it might take a bit of getting used to, but after you learn how it works, it works fairly well.
you can also just hold block and then attack to ignore the lock on target and just shoot where your reticle is

[verbal galleon]

I have another question not gameplay relative, but i see some items could be bought with irl money. What would happen with those items, once game dvpt goes on, will they be erased or ? ty

[smoky crater]

plan is to not have any resets

and everything you can buy in the Camels shop with Arcs, (outside of Motifs which are just profile pics really) is grindable ingame.

founder packs stuff is also like 95% non exclusive. the pacts, weapons, talismans and armor etc. will all be available for free eventually

[verbal galleon]

Yes I don't mind spending irl money to help dvp, just was curious about the future of investment.

[smoky crater]

ye nothing you can buy is gonna get taken away

[verbal galleon]

Thank you for your time and answers

[smoky crater]

[surreal arrow]

Hi, I'm quite new and struggling with the waste bear. I keep dying after destroying his first head, from some kind of dot (after getting hit by the ground spikes?). Is this a "git gud" situation (= not get hit by the ground spikes) or am I missing something? 😐

[arctic cedar]

Best solution is doing it with another person, even in low levels just to take out the focus

[smoky crater]

I mean there's no timer on the fight so i'd suggest just focusing on dodging before attacking

[left wigeon]

Might get Founders just for the color palette

[vagrant kayak]

The placement of the Waste Bear Fable is still a bit WIP so you're likely fighting him at too low a level for comfort. Still definitely doable but may be worth levelling your Envoy and Pact a bit, the Everbound node on your Pact tree will get you more max HP so you're a bit tankier.

[willow bough]

How well does Soul frame run on Linux?

[vagrant kayak]

It does not run natively on Linux right now but fellow Envoys have gotten it working I believe, there's a few threads on it in #1438224932323721296

[brittle nacelle]

it's running pretty well using steam's proton

[abstract badge]

It runs really well on steam deck through proton experimental. Been playing it there the last few days, as have a few friends. No issues with linux so far in my experience if you do it that way.

Is the kith of kins faction pact worth taking over Tethren as a greatsword user? Thinking of using some of my arcs towards it.

[vagrant kayak]

Depends on your playstyle really, Tethren won't be beat if you like the weapon buffing, Mora's Hand is much more about the actual Pact abilities, with lots of AoE fire damage

[abstract badge]

Does it have a way to heal like Tethren does?

[vagrant kayak]

It's a fun Pact but if your goal is "I want to use my greatsword as much/effectively as possible" then Garren is probably the better call

It does not, which I personally find a weakness in the Pact

Since the 2 kind of wants you getting hit but there's no good way to sustain that

[abstract badge]

Bah, ok. Might not be a bad choice when doing coop with my healer mage buddies then

Garren over bear for a tank?

I haven't made any pacts yet, but did complete all my fables I think

I've just been grinding out my faction rep. What else do you recommend doing? I think my pact level and GS level are 25ish

[vagrant kayak]

Well the idea with Garren specifically is because of its Healheart passive you can combine it with a lifesteal greatsword to have massively increased uptime on your Runes

[abstract badge]

I just learned how to tame animals last night on accident, so I'm still very much oblivious to how to upgrade weapons

[vagrant kayak]

Right now I'd recommend doing the Thawtide event if you've not finished it, since that's going away with the update next week and won't be back until winter

[abstract badge]

I should have my charm tonight when I get back online

[vagrant kayak]

Nice

[abstract badge]

And I think I can craft the armor and weapon

[vagrant kayak]

As for weapon upgrades there's 3 major paths:

Totems: these come from freeing and charming animals, access the totem menu by right clicking a weapon in the arsenal. Lets you add effects like chaining damage, extra Smite on kick, more armor, etc...

Runes: similar to Totems and applied in the same menu, these activate powerful buffs on Smite and drop from specific sub-bosses in both normal mode and Cogah (hard mode potion). Runes for greatswords drop from the Mendicant King specifically

Joineries: these are found as loot and rewards throughout the game, and can be applied once you've gotten Tuvalkane to Rank 2, Polished is the most powerful buff, while Blessed can change weapon attunement (in P13 Blessed will instead boost weapon attunement with a Virtue by 1 pip)

[abstract badge]

Thanks for the info! I'll look into that king more as I do like the GS gameplay

[sullen egret]

Hello everyone i havent been keeping up with soulframe recently and just got back is eldore still the best joinery or are the new ones better

[smoky crater]

we got new joineries. the old ones are useless now
as in even if they say they do something, they don't

[sullen egret]

are the new joineries good for all weapons or for specific weapons?

[vagrant kayak]

They're weapon type specific

Verite goes on melee weapons, Quicksilver goes on ranged weapons, Feybalt goes on magick weapons

Gildaur can go on any weapon type

There's 4 tiers to each, Rusted, Tempered, Polished and Blessed

Rusted and Tempered aren't useful currently as they're just plain weaker than Polished, Blessed has the same stat boost as Polished but will change weapon attunement (this is changing in P13 where it will instead increase attunement with a specific Virtue)

[dawn arrow]

Regarding joiners, I only have 1 of Feybalt and Quicksilver yet I have tons and tons of the other two. Is there a specific way to get them?

[sullen egret]

are there going to be special joineries for armour as well or only weapons?

[vagrant kayak]

Yeah it depends on where you're looting, Quicksilver comes from Glades chests and Feybalt from the Crypt

No armor Joineries currently and no word on plans for them, but they may be added in future

[dawn arrow]

Ahh i rarily do those 2, thanks for telling me!

[long grove]

both can drop from stag too

[iron compass]

how do i unlock the otehr factions

[dawn arrow]

Although i did many t3 enclave quests, they mostly take me to underdark

[vagrant kayak]

You'll have to craft the Talismans for them, Rose's Bodkin for Silent Rose, Sproutfolk Seed for Alca's Children and Mora's Medallion for Kith of Kings. Fragments drop from chests in overworld, Glades and Dermak respectively

You'll also need Sacred Shimmer, which comes from rank 3 of your current Faction

[dawn arrow]

When i ranked to 3, it gave me a choice between pearls and a talisman, i picked pearls because it didnt show me what does the talisman do, did i do a mistake?:/

[vagrant kayak]

Nah, that Talisman isn't the one you need to swap Factions, it's an upgrade to the starting one that has a bigger Virtue bonus, you can always grab it later

[long grove]

a rank up reward is not the same as a favor, those are limited selections you get on rank up. you can purchase shimmer for 7500 rep

[karmic jolt]

Hey, I have a question: I freed the wolf for the Pact, then it was dark for a long time. Now it's light and the wolf howled, then I attacked enemies but he didn't appear?... Is that normal?

[dawn arrow]

it would've been nice to show what the items do at faction shop, its been a while since i visited but i remember it doesnt? like how am i suppsoed to pick if i dont know what it is

[smoky crater]

don't need to post the same question in 3 channels at the same time
try to just continue playing and see if it appears

[dawn arrow]

Does the game timeout if i stay idle? I have cogah on and i must afk for a while but dont want to lose the effect...

[smoky crater]

nope

not unless there's a hotfix but we're not gonna get one anytime soon

[iron compass]

thanks

what is the fastest farmfor standing for any faction only doing their missions?

[smoky crater]

faction tales are the only source of faction rep

but the "fastest" way would be 3 star tales in the northeast

[iron compass]

thank you

also where can i contact support? The event with the big coffins that drop a lot of resources is bugged and nothing spawns for me

[knotty moon]

2 Stars in the northeast are probably faster since you don't risk having to go into the dungeon.

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224825113120788 for general bugs is often enough.
If you specifically need support: https://support.soulframe.com/hc/en-us

[iron compass]

really bro

i think you should be banned

@real path is a bot or scammer

[iron compass]

send it here in the chat

[iron compass]

nice drip

[gusty dagger]

testing out maxed out settiings

[abstract badge]

Such a beautiful game, especially when everything is as high as it will go

I lowered fog to medium and set DLSS to auto to hit 165 fps. But thought about just cranking it up to max and taking the fps hit.

[gusty dagger]

the 5070 aero handles it just fine

what cpu you got?

[abstract badge]

Ultra 7 265k

[gusty dagger]

talking cpu?

[abstract badge]

Yeah sorry coffee just kicking in 😄

I should toy around with the settings a bit tonight

[halcyon thicket]

<@&1154466146741932193>

[vagrant kayak]

Already dealt with

[halcyon thicket]

@real path

Oh i thought you ban them nvm

[abstract badge]

I have to say, this game is incredibly optimized for how well it looks. Runs great on a range of PCs and the steam deck handles it just fine, too.

[vagrant kayak]

I do, they're banned

[halcyon thicket]

Oh they're in the other server still

Thought it was this one

[karmic jolt]

sry bro but i killed now 1 hour enemys and the wolf dont come?... I also reloged few times and he howling every time

[frigid agate]

Have you been killing enemies in the same area? Maybe try going further away to try and reset the encounter.

[karmic jolt]

I've killed enemies in at least half the area, I have no idea what I'm doing wrong.

[smoky crater]

Have you tried restarting the game? Not just relogging?

[karmic jolt]

ok i tried restart the game thx

[slender vector]

you guys prefer controller or mkb?

[long grove]

personal preference

it's well optimized either way

[undone minnow]

Depends on where I'm playing. But generally mouse and keyboard

[abstract badge]

I like controller

[gusty dagger]

mouse keyboard

[finite stone]

mkb here! always loved having more precision and more buttons lol

[gusty dagger]

i got 2 codes if anyone got a someone who wants one

[karmic jolt]

i restart the game he howling i killed enemys he dont come..... what can i do?

[abstract badge]

I could see precision for FPS and such, but the auto targeting here with a controller is serviceable at the moment

And I can lean back in my chair and relax a bit. Or stream this to my living room and play there

My only gripe right now is the left Dpad for weapon swap. I should rebind the back buttons on my controller for the dpad

[frosty nebula]

I had what you describe too after starting the quest. Maybe 2-3 days later the wolf spawned randomly in a fight and the quest went on. I was in the northeast area if you havent tried it there yet but otherwise just keep playing. @karmic jolt

[sly escarp]

Don't ask for codes in this server please, if you need access #envoy-gathering message has all sorts of handy info for you

[timber marsh]

a man can dream

[abstract badge]

I got my wolf to spawn in the northwest area by a little town.
Make sure the quest is being tracked, maybe that'll help?

[long grove]

it's a bit random

[abstract badge]

Actually, I didn't have mine tracked at that point

[frosty nebula]

Yeah me neither

[abstract badge]

Mine glitched because I "finished" it with a friend in his server and it was then gone from my journal when I returned to mine. Two days later it randomly popped up again and then I was able to track it and complete it

[frosty nebula]

Was just some random encampment

[frosty nebula]

Maybe that was my problem too, was playing with a friend aswell when we started it

[abstract badge]

Yeah, by the time I got back to my server the quest wasn't in my journal, I didn't have the pact rewards, nor could I buy the pact from the merchant

Two days later while running around killing enemies all of a sudden this giant white flash occurs by me and scared the hell out of me

I didn't realize what it was at first until I got the prompt to talk to it

[sly escarp]

Fables are known to be buggy in multiplayer, and often only progresses the Host properly

[abstract badge]

That's OK, it was fun to run it again

I'm glad I got the paragon pack. I have a big group of friends playing with me now

[frosty nebula]

Same was pretty confused what the wolf is doing here rn 😂

[lethal tundra]

I've reached an impass.

I'm trying to complete the Torment Stag Fable. Even looked up guide videos. But for me there is overgrowth instead of a stone door.

What to do and where to go now?

[sly escarp]

Might need to relog

[frosty nebula]

Wait can you buy all pacts from there?

[abstract badge]

The three animal ones are there for me, 20k each for fragments

But I think you get the fragment for completing the fable

[lethal tundra]

@sly escarp it's been like that since I first got the quest days ago?

[abstract badge]

There any reason to spend 20k?

[sly escarp]

...Wait, did you go down the well?

[undone minnow]

If you need to get the pact again

[frosty nebula]

Oh okay i see
Then im just gonna grind it nontheless

[sly escarp]

They changed that quest step a little bit ago, leave the well and follow the bird

[lethal tundra]

@sly escarp that's where the door is.

[undone minnow]

If you deleted it for space

[abstract badge]

Ah OK

[sly escarp]

Not anymore, now that's an exit

[lethal tundra]

@sly escarp

Damn, they changed it?!

So where's the start of the quest now?

[sly escarp]

Leave the well, make sure the fable is tracked, follow the bird

[lethal tundra]

@sly escarp

So the more northern point is the quest start?

[sly escarp]

If that's where the bird takes you, probably

[lethal tundra]

@sly escarp

My map.

[sly escarp]

Haven't run that quest in a hot minute so not sure exactly where the new entrance is

Oh, wait. You did talk to Avakot right?

That circle you're inside is for talking to an NPC iirc

[narrow condor]

hi, need some help with the founder's pack choices. will I be able to farm them right now or are there like better weapons overall

[lethal tundra]

@sly escarp

Wouldn't have the quest if i didn't.

There are three points on the map. The middle where the quest originally startered, one north and one south.

[sly escarp]

Weapons, pacts, and armour from the packs will not be farmable in game right now, but will be at a later date. There's generall better weapons and armour across the board than what's in the packs too, they're middle tier at best.

[narrow condor]

okie, thanks!!

[sly escarp]

Hmm, possibly a bug with the quest then...go to the northern point instead then, that's likely the new entrance

[narrow condor]

how about the pacts? are there better pacts as well?

[sly escarp]

The pacts are upgraded versions of the three starter pacts. Levelling both the base and Wyld version gives more points to upgrade them with too. Again, will be farmable at a later date, but for now a pack exclusive.

[abstract badge]

What about the greatsword? Should I craft the in game one instead?

[sly escarp]

The Paragon greatsword will be available to be gifted by Founders who bought a Paragon Pack sometime in the future.

[narrow condor]

ohh so once they are out if ur min maxing u need them both

[abstract badge]

Oh sorry, I meant is the in game one better than paragon

[sly escarp]

There are two other Greatswords in the game as well

[abstract badge]

Or do they have different skill trees?

[lethal tundra]

@sly escarp

Thankyou.

Followed the bird, lead to two of Orengal's pups. Seems to quest were being displayed on the map at once, despite tracking only The Torment Stag.

[sly escarp]

Tha's...complicated, but currently generally yes.

[abstract badge]

Er, passive trees or whatever

[sly escarp]

Ah, interesting. Well, hopefully the bird helps further!

[abstract badge]

Thanks

[sly escarp]

The more weapons of a type you craft and level, the more points you get for an upgrade tree that is shared across all weapons of that type

[abstract badge]

Oh cool

[gusty dagger]

the songs are damn good in this game

[abstract badge]

That stag fight music was so good

[narrow condor]

did they announce some kind of expected release date for the game? if its gonna be like a couple years ill def buy that pack, the game is already fun lmao

[smoky crater]

nope

[gusty dagger]

just got to it

[smoky crater]

yes it's gonna be 2-3+ years but nothing specific

[sly escarp]

No release date yet, it's still a pre alpha after all

[narrow condor]

nicee still a lot of time. then last question - "Levelling both the base and Wyld version gives more points to upgrade them with too." - so its gonna be a buffed pact, compared to other pacts will this be significantly better since the other pacts will have less points?

[sly escarp]

If you max a pact, you get 30 points to put in the pact's upgrade tree. If you max the Base AND Wyld version, you get 60 upgrade points.

So you'll have access to more of the tree perks and buffs with those pacts.

It doesn't make them stronger definitively, but it's a good set of bonuses to consider

[narrow condor]

mm so id assume based on that answer, other pacts can still compete even with a 60 point wyld pact

[sly escarp]

Yep

Each paxct has different abilities, so sometimes you prefer a pact without a Wyld version if they better suit your strategy/build

[narrow condor]

okii much love tysm ❤️

[sly escarp]

Anytime

[smoky crater]

mmmmmmmm... pixels...

[somber haven]

So I can just sell the starter class and weapon when I have the paragon pack right?

[smoky crater]

i wouldn't suggest doing that until both are at rank 30
but also if you buy the paragon pack you'll have more than enough Arcs so i'd say just buy more weapon and pact slots when you need more, don't sell them (unless you want to)

but also the regular starter pacts share the upgrade tree with the wyld pacts so with both ranked up to 30, you'll have 60 points to spend. not sure if those points from the regular pact stay if you sell it

[dawn arrow]

Someone said they stay but i am afraid to try it.

[smoky crater]

mmm

suppose i could try. i don't use tethren at all so

aaaaaand an infinite loading screen

the influence of the tethren nerds is becoming too strong

[dawn arrow]

I mean it makes sense they stay, I dont think everyone is keeping every maxed weapon in their inventory

[long grove]

they stay, that'd be like selling a sword and losing 5 points from your sword tree. the upgrade tree is separate from owning and leveling it.

[lethal tundra]

@sly escarp

Thakns for being helpful. The Orengal quest is Done ✔️

I suspect that the game, depite being "open world" has an intended order of quests and character progression.

[smoky crater]

suppose i could sell my starter pacts then but... i wanna keep everything

eh i'll just recraft tethren

[long grove]

I'm with ya, I like having everything

[dawn arrow]

What about the index, forgot what they call it where you can see all weapons and the ones that are greyed out means you didnt have them, for completionists will they grey out again if they sell?

[long grove]

that I can't say, I assume it'll stay unlocked and owned.

well on the compendium

[void marten]

She is best pup

[smoky crater]

oh pacts are 27 hours
thought they was 26 (was one day 3 hours for a sec there)

[long grove]

considering de usually displays rounded down times, might actually be 28 if you're sure you saw 3

[smoky crater]

ye it was 3, then it went to 2. so it went from 3 to 2h (59min) but the minutes aren't shown

[karmic jolt]

Woohoo!!!... The wolf has appeared^^... Thanks to everyone who wanted to help!<3

[eager light]

which pact is the best rn?

[frozen ether]

Are they going to raise the blacksmith rank on Friday the 13th?

[frozen ether]

Tethren is op

[eager light]

but from the unlockable ones

like ode and other shi

[trim oriole]

Bromius maybe

[visual radish]

I mean tethren is unlockable if you dont start with it

[meager tree]

Garren rood has always been my fav. But recently it allows you to extend rune timers, meaning you can have your runes up for a very long time, incredibly powerful

[lethal tundra]

@void marten i wanted the runt, but she wasn't an option.

[iron compass]

what are these boxes

[trim oriole]

Truth be told, all pacts are playable

Just dont compare them to Tethren, its an outlier in how strong it is

[trim oriole]

Nothing, scenery

[iron compass]

got it

man my game is bugged and i cannot find collector things as they don't spawn

[trim oriole]

what you mean collector things?

[iron compass]

hark the collector even

[trim oriole]

ah

[languid escarp]

they can break those boxes

[trim oriole]

he is in the same spot for everyone so you can check i live map to find it

[frigid spoke]

No, there are things in them actualy. Can be broken during the collecotrs event as a reward

[languid escarp]

and loot comes out

[trim oriole]

not relivant to the ones around the map though

[frigid spoke]

Not true

If they glow, they "can" be broken

[languid escarp]

yeah the do, maybe a bug idk

i went to nightfold then back and a bunch broke open

[long grove]

collector itself is a random event, and the steel boxes during it can be stolen by Mada. Just gotta stop them from floating away, cuz the each contain a potential drop.

[iron compass]

but there should be something like a ship or somethjing spawning frmo the sky going down right?

[long grove]

they spawn in set locations, but they don't always spawn in the same one

[frigid spoke]

It's on a six hour timer, can happen in one of a fair amount of areas mostly east of middle of map. You just have to be around when it happens. Pretty wide area imo, I don't find it often.

[trim oriole]

no but its in the same spot for all players whereever it may be currently

[long grove]

yeah, if you don't see it it just hasn't spawned for ya yet. it's not a guarantee to see it once the timer is up

[languid escarp]

every time i see collector i get ptsd, used to be every t3 tale ended in collector

[trim oriole]

same, long af

[iron compass]

only saw it ones and it triggered at the same time as a storyline cinematic and never seen one ever since

[trim oriole]

its also on a 6h cooldown once you done it

[iron compass]

never had a chance to do it

due to the quest happening and it never spawning again after

[long grove]

just rng I guess, I play every day and I don't see collector spawn for me every day either. could even be something like entering a dungeon as it's spawning and then it gets despawned.

[iron compass]

like locekd me in an animation then boss fight

1 week since then

0 spawns even throuhg hours of gameplay

[frigid spoke]

You aren't going to see the event anywhere west of a line drawn down the middle of the map. Go further east and you'll see spawn

[languid escarp]

i get em around credence high and kairness sometimes

[halcyon thicket]

Collector Is once every 6 hours

[frigid spoke]

lol so I just logged in and the collector spawned a bit ahead of my cursor on map

This is right near creedance high

[iron compass]

checked all the spots and ran the whole map dozens of times 0 spawns since that forced cutscene

[frigid spoke]

Right but it's still random. If you look at the avakot map, the spot where mine just spawned isn't even marked.

Right place, right time I guess.

[long grove]

not exactly true, they can still spawn a distance off. they may not physically spawn on the west side, but they can still spawn while you are on the west side.

[long grove]

the spawn points on avakot are just where they can spawn, it's a random event in the end. even if you beat the collector, it's not gonna spawn immediately after the timer is up

[frigid spoke]

oh I know that, just aren't going to be too deep to the west. not sure why

[long grove]

ode jurisdiction, maybe... who knows!

[dreamy thistle]

New player here... and I'm so attach to my character lol - will this jump kill me? 😱

[long grove]

fall damage is a thing... but if you can see the ground, if you light attack mid air before you hit the ground you can slow your fall making fall damage a suggestion

[sly escarp]

Also there's not really a death penalty

[dreamy thistle]

That went better than expected lmao! I wish I could tap block or something and achieve the same effect, for keep the immersion 😄 but that tip was awesome thanks

[dreamy thistle]

ah I see! your tip yesterday was that dying in a "crypt" would send my out of it, and I have no idea if this is considered a crypt or not, hence my question 😄 but I'll experiment a bit more

[sly escarp]

Crypt is the dungeon you enter via a coffin

[dreamy thistle]

oh.. I guess that'll come later then

still I'd hate to die in a stupid way.. I'm that kind of player who died like 30+ times protecting Ellie in TLOU 1 even though she's an immortal NPC

Or more correctly: die in a non-immersive way lol. I'll stop overthinking it. Anyways thanks

[long grove]

not in that game, but also guilty of that

[dreamy thistle]

This game is just too damn beautiful to be approached like some virtual playground.. I'm going all in like I'm actually there lol!

[long grove]

soulframe vr when

[dreamy thistle]

oh my.. is this made using UE? You just gave me an idea

[sly escarp]

Nope, proprietary engine

Evolution

[dreamy thistle]

aww.. too bad!

[long grove]

yeah they got their own... couldn't imagine the shader build up wait times for soulframe if it was ue

[dreamy thistle]

Huge props to the sound design in this game.. the descent of this... thing, gave me actual chills.

[elder bolt]

all my homies hate corrupters

[dreamy thistle]

Looks like a Hakonnen ship!!

[elder bolt]

idk if thats the name, I just know my homies dont like it

[dreamy thistle]

oh neither do I! Harkonnen is a dune reference!! this game's lore kind of feels like a mix of lotr and dune lol! and I'm all for it

[magic spear]

What are infinites

[long grove]

pretty sure collector is the ship type

[long grove]

endless is a wave mode. it's no longer actually endless, but does 20 waves of mockeries. it's great for leveling.

[magic spear]

Where/how do u do it?

[long grove]

spawns as a random room in the glades dungeon tileset. any glades can spawn it, but it can be a little hard to get it to actually spawn. best to watch recruiting chat for people hosting or taxiing to it

it's a circular room with one exit with a stag statue in the center, activate that to start the waves of mockeries. Just note if you die before the 20 waves are up, the run ends immediately

[magic spear]

Another thing I wanna ask about is I've seen people talking about equipping motes. Is that about the language clouds I find at locations? Or something else or a deprecated system?

[long grove]

the motes at locations are histories. they uncover the name to display on the map and give you a lot of progress on your envoy level. good idea to get them all. their locations can be buggy, so if you can't find all 3 within a few minutes relog and try it again.

motes as a usable item for weapons got replaced with totems and runes. if you right click a weapon in the nighthold, it'll bring up the screen. totems can be earned from freeing animals in cages and charming the ones you see running around, runes drop from bosses

[whole owl]

"Endless is no longer endless", certainly one of the saddest days this game ever had.

[magic spear]

You mean because it got nerfed and now requires finding another instance? How fast did it level weapons and pacts? 👀

[long grove]

truly. I hate that the room in dermak got repurposed as a boss room. smh!

[whole owl]

https://wiki.avakot.org/Arena

It wasn't THAT fast, I guess it's just that the level scaling was uncapped.

so we'd be on sessions for 3~4h to test damage scaling against lvl 2000 enemies

[long grove]

it's pretty fast now because mockeries do give a lot of XP at least

press g, does no quest direction pop up?

ope, deleted

[noble viper]

What quest description is this what the hell it even want bro

[frigid spoke]

just go to the avakot vendor, don't even need to buy anything

[long grove]

look for an avakot, use spectral sight and listen for them. there should be one in the yellow circle on your map

[noble viper]

which vendor my bird lead me to this area where nothing is there

[long grove]

sometimes they spawn in bushes

run through bushes maybe hitting interact

they're the tiny green dudes, can be hard to spot

[noble viper]

So the quest step was to buy things from this dude

[narrow condor]

theres no fast travel here right

[brittle nacelle]

there is but you need to progress through the main quests

[brittle nacelle]

you don't have to actually buy anything just talk to him

[smoky crater]

You dont need to buy anything. It was just "find the dood"

[narrow condor]

aight. was thinking i had to levle up so i need to go back. but then its just a bug. the bird led me to a lvl 30 dungeon but when I relogged in its now just encampments of lvl 20s

[dawn arrow]

Whats the point of using Cogah in endless?

[long grove]

just note it's limited fast travel, you'll only be able to do it so many times a day. asking for taxis to a location in recruiting chat is also used as a method of travel

[frigid spoke]

Arena can spawn in cogah?

[dawn arrow]

We are in arena but a party member is asking us to use Cogah potion

[long grove]

endless? not much.

their level won't grow much in the time it takes to clear in a party

[smoky crater]

higher enemy level no? or a chance for?